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Messages - michael c

721
gee...


if it's "licenced" and "official" than it must be true! [easter_rolleyes]

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well again, suffice to say none on this is "real". every single bit of it is fiction...

accordingly people can "believe" whatever they want to believe. there's no to way prove or disprove anybody because none of it is real. but for my purposes series continuity came to it's conclusion when the 0S did in 1971. that was the end of it. if it hadn't happened in the previous five years it wasn't part of the story in a conclusive way. every comic book or audiodrama that's hit the marketplace since is, to me, an offshoot.

and just because some suit as DCP accepted a licencing fee and deemed something "official" doesn't make it part of series continuity for me because the series is over.

so digressing no matter what offshoot products decide that Liz is Vicki's mother(which is after all the sentimental fan favorite so why mess with people's fantasies?)for me it's irrelevant. it didn't happen in the context of the actual series. Joan and Alexandra never played those scenes.

but it sounds like it's a create-your-own-canaon situation these day.

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needless to say none of this is "real" anyways...

but i'm a fan of the series and it's unique atmosphere and attitude so that's what I watched and that's what my reference points and "realities" are for this tale.

i'm not a fan of comic books or fan fiction or action figures or audiodramas or viewmaster reels or any of the other tchokes associated with the series. they're ancillary and optional. so no matter what "official" stories they may tell they're not part of the OS which is what I come to the whole shebang for anyways.

724
the high handed throwing around of the word "official" doesn't make something part of series canon no matter how many times you use it. it was never revealed, on the series, who Vicki's parents were. that's really the beginning and end of it.


as for RTC to me it was just a performance(perhaps "skit" is too diminutive)using that actors available that year. if others want to read more into it because it was "official" whatever.


as I recall the Ross novels were "official" too and they spent a lot of time talking about someone named "professor veno" who was I think Liz and Roger's creepy brother. what's he up to these days?

725
so then QC what happened if Lara's 'version' of Vicki's backstory reveals Liz not to be Vicki's mother. but someone else is???


doesn't that invalidate the "official" RTC theory? no ones read her story yet. she hasn't even written it. she could "reveal" Mrs. Johnson to be Vicki's mother if she felt like it. it's her party.



just because Lara appeared on the series and has been "licenced" by DCP doesn't her make story speculations any different than anybody else's. she didn't create Victoria Winters as a character. neither did mark rainey. Parker's previous books already go well outside established canon.

it's still just fan fiction. and my DS "experience" has been plenty "rich" as it stands.

726
even though it's being written by a series' castmember Parker's upcoming novel on Vicki's backstory is still in essence elevated fan fiction...

no matter what theory Parker comes up with it doesn't really "answer" any of the questions about Vicki's parentage because it's just Parker's own interpretation. and no matter how many times it's "officially" sanctioned RTC was just a festival skit.

unfortunately because it never actually took place onscreen none of those questions can ever definitively be "answered".

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Games / Re: Either/Or
« on: May 26, 2013, 09:19:06 PM »
Roxanne seemed much more feral. even as a vampire Angelique's decisions seemed calculated for additional gain...



lunch at the collinsport diner or dinner at the bangor pine?

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well fans have certainly taken that almost as a given despite the fact that it never actually made it into the scripts. it's almost an established part of series' lore.


to keep liz a sympathetic figure in that scenario it would have been interesting to know why on god's green earth she would have sent her first born child to live in some god-forsaken orphanage somewhere. but we'll never know. [easter_huh]

729
when the series starts to overreach, when it starts to go outside of the boundries of this particular town and family, as it did with the Adam/Nicholas plot and it's satanic "master race", or with the leviathans(although it too has some fun moments), to take on the entire earth, it quickly starts to derail for me. the magic and fun go out of it and it just starts to become nonsensical and silly.


and at the end of the day there's really no suspence either no matter how much it's implied. I mean angelique really did turn barnabas into a vampire. laura went up in flames. there were real stakes for these characters and the audience. but the leviathan people and the satanic master race were never really going to take over the world. the viewer knows that so there really aren't any emotional stakes.


the series was a gothic, and when it dipped it's toes into full blown sci-fi, it missed it's marks badly.

730
1968 had some fun moments and characters(certainly Cassandra sashaying around Collinwood in a series if puke green shifts was always worth a look)but as an overall narrative I found it to be the most singularly poor period on the series until the whole enterprise starts to run out of steam in 1840.


with the boorish and boring adam as the period's set piece character I found it interminable and almost insufferable. to say nothing of the way the original cast was relegated to the hinterlands in his favor. and what was the whole plan...a "master race dedicated to serving satan"??? c'mon.


all that said and in spite of it eve was a fun byproduct of the period. until she hitched her wagon to peter bradford that it.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 25, 2013, 09:24:55 PM »
another line from the trailer where angie tells barnabas "i'll destroy you...AND YOUR FAMILY" never shows up either.


she just threatened him.

732
Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 25, 2013, 09:21:08 PM »
there were several such dubs in the trailers...


I recall one where liz tells barnabas to "fight on...fight on FOR US". in the film she indeed tells him to fight on but the dramatic "for us" part is never uttered.


and wasn't it already noted that several lines spoken during the initial barnabas/josette flashback sequence in the trailer were never in the film either? come to think of it did josette even speak during that part of the film at all?


and the scene at the breakfast table where barnabas states "my beloved Collinwood...the Collins family!" in the trailer is a verbal pastiche of other lines from the film.

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strikes me as rather ungrateful.


so they want "less" of each show??? you know the expression. careful what you wish for.

734
still these things used to air five one hour episodes per week. at now just two half hour episodes, for a total of an hour a week, is a pretty stunning cutback.

I thought the fans wanted these shows back. now they have them and they're complaining that they "don't have time" to watch them??? great way to talk your show right back into cancellation.

this situation makes no sense to me. [easter_rolleyes]

735
I know nothing about hulu or how it rates it's programming but the phrases "top ten shows" and "drastically scaled back episode order" generally do not appear in the same sentence. [easter_huh]


it would really be heart-wrenching if all of these actors got their hopes up only to find themselves unemployed again in six months. [easter_sad]