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even recent spinoff media...such as Lara Parker's 'wolf moon rising' and the defunct 'dynamite' DS comic book series...present Quentin in some sort of werewolf context.

so even though on the series itself both Barnabas and Quentin spent significant time (if not in fact most of the time) in some "altered state" in terms of media coverage, marketing and promotion, toys and licensing deals, etc. Barnabas as a vampire and Quentin as a werewolf is definitely how the "brand" is represented.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '14 II / Re: Is Julia Missing Something?!
« on: September 24, 2014, 03:20:20 AM »
similar...

but nowhere near as powerful and beautiful and magical as THE HEIRLOOM MEDALLION.

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The fact that more or less every time DS shows up in the mass media (outside of fandom specific sites and fora) we see a photo of Barn baring his fangs does underline the fact that in the minds of the public... it's a vampire show.

A long time ago (maybe as early as the 1970s) I finally figured out that how DS is represented in the mass media and promotional goodies, such as the Gold Key comics and the board games, is very different from the reality of the show's actual content as seen in canon (the aired episodes from 1966 to 1971). 

Even the "Marilyn" Ross novelettes present a picture of the subject matter of the show that is very much at odds with how the actual episodes are written and played.  I well remember when the novel "Barnabas Collins" was published and I bought and was reading it and some version of "who the hell is this guy?" was going through my 11 year old's mind.

your remarks certainly bring to mind the way Julia was handled in the marketing/promotional juggernaut and continues to be til this day.

lets face it. a middle aged lady doctor in a green tweed suit does not a bobble head make. or a lunchbox. or a board game. or a Halloween costume.

but you know what does??? a vampire. a werewolf. and a witch. thus those three characters became the faces of the "brand" in terms of marketing and merchandising. even though on the series itself Julia was with the show longer than either Quentin or Angelique, appeared in more episodes, and was more important to more storylines. she's not easy to "market". she does not reduce well to 8'' "action figure" size.

so she largely gets left out of that component of the whole thing while the other 3, more easily marketable "monster" type characters, are front and center of the product lineup.

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and I was hooked on the show from episode one. way before anybody ever thought or heard about Barnabas Collins.

so the "vampire element", and in fact the character of Barnabas itself, is only a small part of the whole mosaic for me as well.

but Curtis and the show's producers knew what their "hook" was and needed to capitalize on it.

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perhaps "vampire show" is a greatly oversimplified assessment...

but it was a significant component of it. and one that the producers must have known was important. I think it was one reason why in 1968, after Barnabas had been "cured" for awhile, Cassandra was jettisoned in favor of "Vampirelique" and Tom Jennings was shoehorned into the mix. the "vampire element" was missing.

and apart from the emotional impact of being returned to the "vampire state" whenever the time period shifted (and Barnabas' ensuing anguish over it) I think the writers saw it as an opportunity to reestablish a part of the character that was important.

by 1968 they had plastic fangs, Halloween costumes and lunchboxes to market featuring a vampire. not just some middle aged suit wearing guy worrying about his family. it was an important component of the "brand" and business side of the enterprise.

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by late 1968 Barnabas had become sort of a snooze. a vampire who wasn't a vampire...

so returning him to the "vampire state" in 1897 (a period in which Adam was not extant) was a way to give the character some "blood" again so to speak. there was a reason he always became a vampire again when the storyline shifted to another time period. you can't have a "vampire show" without a vampire.

[spoiler]so to me it's not that surprising that he killed Carl. he was, after all, a vampire again. and that is not without an intrinsic element of dangerousness and unpredictability. besides Carl was a "time travel" character. they're basically created with a built in shelf life. by the end of the period most of them usually end up dead anyways. and he was only in a few episodes and not very important to the overall plot so who really cares???[/spoiler]

all of the fuss that particular incident creates within the fanbase has always mystified me.

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for a lot of fans 1795 does seem to be some sort of series "holy grail" and I can see why...

it's the point where series "mythology" finally coalesces from random and often divergent bits and pieces into a complete and concise narrative. the fact that it directly contradicts much of the information previously given to the viewer doesn't diminish it's power for most fans. it becomes "canon".

it's also ground zero for the whole concept of 'time travel' and multiple characterizations that the show eventually became known for. the "stock company" approach. it's the first time we get the additional theatricality of period costume and settings.

it's not my personal favorite storyline or period (although I do like it very much) but I get why so many fans hold it in such high esteem.

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by contrast The 'Collinsport Historical Society' recently conducted a poll of the 'top ten" DS episodes and nearly every single one was a "present day" episode. a couple of them were even from the "pre-Barnabas" period.

so different polls will yield different results.

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it seems like there are certain "rules" in this fandom. one of them being disliking (or more often "hating") the leviathan period...


but I actually liked it too. at least the first two thirds of it. like most storylines on DS it eventually fell prey to everything-but-the-kitchen-sink storytelling before being abandoned as an afterthought. but the early weeks of it were wonderfully creepy and atmospheric. it definitely had it's own "feel" quite distinct from any other storylines on the series.

and, again, for various personal and aesthetic reasons in general I prefer the "present day" stories.

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magnus,

at the end of the day you really can't "explain" a personal preference. it just is what it is.


I enjoy the "present time" episodes. but I see you're going to "prove me wrong".

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I just don't understand anyone's preference for the "present" in DS.  I think they felt obligated to return to the present, but were saddled with a dull set of regular characters, the people at Collinwood, who had to be pushed off to the side and treated as one collective damsel-in-distress to be protected by Barnajulia.

I don't understand sitting through 1968, Leviathans, and PT, and present 1970 again after 1995, and not being extremely relieved and energized by the transition to 1840.  The fact that loose ends were forgotten or messed up doesn't affect the story up until those mistakes were made.

the show was launched and set primarily in "the present". that was the setting, situations and group of characters the audience got to know best and invest emotionally in. as opposed to various random bunches of "time travel" characters that would all end up being killed off after three months.

what don't you "understand"???

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Calendar Events / Announcements '14 II / Re: 'Penny Dreadful'
« on: September 14, 2014, 12:13:20 PM »
it's been a few months since I saw the final episode of season one but while there was not one big "who shot JR?" style cliffhanger there were several storylines that I felt were left suspended with the intent of being picked up in a second season.

certainly Brona and the "bride of Frankenstein" story was left hanging. the werewolf "reveal" did not happen til the final episode. there were lots of "mini" cliffhangers.

but it seems like the vampire and "Mina" element of it came to it's conclusion.

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lore has it that had the story returned to "the present" Kate Jackson (as who exactly??? Daphne?) would replace KLS as Collinwood governess...

my take has been governess to whom??? David was gone (and by this point would have been FAR too old for a governess anyways) and had Hallie stayed on she too would have been well into her teenage years and, again, much too old for a governess.

the series cancellation worked out for Jackson probably more than anyone. if it had continued and she been glued to the show via contract for several more years she might not have gone on to greater television stardom in the 70s.

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I agree with anyone, but I also think that all the time traveling got kind of boring.

me too...

with the "failure" of the leviathan storyline and cast members leaving left and right I think the writers got "bored" or even "afraid" of "the present". they probably thought they had written themselves into a corner without a lot of "new" places to go with it. hence the 'summer of 1970' was essentially a retread of the Quentin storyline.

so they probably thought yet another sojourn into 'the past" would provide fresh storyline possibilities or at the very least "atmosphere" in terms of new sets and period costuming.

but the concept was largely played out. the final year covered seven trips back, forth and sideways "in time". 1970-1970PT-1995-1970-1840-1971-1841PT. and that's fresh after a nearly year long storyline set in 1897. that's a lot of time travel for one show. it became trite and clichéd.

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I thoroughly enjoyed the parallel time story as well. I also quite liked the 1995 flash forward. It had some genuinely creepy moments.  But the show was sadly on a downward spiral, recycling too many elements at once. KLS, Henesy and other key players are gone. Louis Edmonds & Joan Bennett are largely sidelined. The show seemed to be operating on the idea that all that was needed was Collinwood, Barnabas, Julia and some variation on Quentin.

there were a few high points (notably Virgina Vestoff's viperous Samantha)...

but otherwise it felt like the dog's dinner. another generic Quentin. another generic Trask. another generic Roxanne. a Pansey Faye knockoff thrown in for good measure (and no reason). and another generic Barnabas and Julia attempt to "save" so-and-so from such-and-such.

and then it all fizzled out without having anything to do with it's original premise. it was a mess.