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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Acting natural
« on: July 21, 2005, 12:47:41 AM »
i don't do "straight" soaps either but i thought early d.s. had enough of a sense of mystery and gothic feel that it would have probably held my attention even without the overt supernatural stuff.

i did watch 'all my children' though when i was a kid(before i'd ever heard of d.s.)and from what i remember louis edmonds played some sort of traveling-carnival riff-raff who manages to snag the town's grande dame pheobe wallingford. :P

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: The July 19th Episodes (Spoilers!)
« on: July 20, 2005, 01:39:54 AM »
i'm with andre here...i love these episodes too.i was enthralled when i first watched them.
where as maggie reminded barnabas of someone else here it's vicki herself that barnabas is falling for.

and this is getting close to the episodes where vicki spends the night at the old house...and i still get goosebumps when i think of them.it sounds corny but during these months the show did approach something "magical".

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Acting natural
« on: July 20, 2005, 01:28:44 AM »
i think we're going to debate the meaning of "camp" endlessly...and i've certainly been thinking about it.
for me true camp requires some level of wit and sophistication and "batman" was just goofy and juvenile...it had no higher aspirations than what it was thus defies true camp.

to answer firerose's question would we still be watching/talking about d.s. if not for the vampire,frankenstein,warlock,werewolf and witch stories i can only speak for myself but i was hooked from episode one.long before i ever laid eyes on barnabas collins.i might be rare in this but as much as i enjoyed barnabas,julia and angelique i would have been perfectly content if the show continued to focus on victoria,the collins family and the assorted and sundry residents of collinsport. :P

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Acting natural
« on: July 18, 2005, 01:28:52 AM »
"Camp" is something you have to set out to be....it's not something you stumble upon by accident.  Think of the early "Batman" series with all those crazy "villains" like "The Penquin" and "The Riddler".  The show was WRITTEN TO BE THAT WAY!!

Dark Shadows was never WRITTEN to be "campy".....but some have used that term because of certain actor's mannerisms and vocal delivery.  The plots may have been outlandish, the acting idiocincratic, the directing highly stylized.....but the show was not written to be camp!!

rainey,i disagree

camp is absolutely NOT something that one has to set out to be.it often only happens in retrospect.

silly shows like 'batman" aside look at the work of the great mid-century actresses.bette davis,judy garland,joan crawford,gloria swanson and even joan bennett.if you asked any of these actresses in 1945 if they intended to produce a volume of work later perceived as "campy" i can assure you the answer would have been no.they intended to turn in good performances in the style of the period.

movies like "all about eve" and "sunset boulevard" only achieved camp status later when new audiences saw them and the world around them had changed.camp often does happen by accident.

that said,i doubt that the d.s. writers set out to write a campy show.but one has to accept that there is that perception out there.

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Acting natural
« on: July 17, 2005, 05:05:15 PM »
this is starting to get off-topic but let me ask this.

like "ugly" or "beautiful" is "camp" subjective?can one person perceive it and another not?or is it something more concrete?

i've read articles about the show that describe the entire thing as a classic piece of high camp. :-

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Acting natural
« on: July 16, 2005, 06:25:57 PM »
i do think that with the adam storyline the show began to veer toward high camp.whether the writers did this intentionally or not is up for speculation.what i do think that they did intentionally with this storyline was for the first time to actively court those "kids that ran home from school" as it's intended audience.where as the earlier stories were probably aimed at a traditional "soap opera" viewer(housewives and perhaps teenage girls)this had a more adolescent sensibility.

even so most of the actors played it all very straight.i think there were two exceptions however.
humbert allen astredo as nicholas blair and thayer david as professor stokes always seemed to be winking slightly at the audience i thought.like they knew that the material they were playing was absurd. :P

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Calendar Events / Announcements '05 II / Re: OT...Dracula on AMC
« on: July 16, 2005, 05:33:37 PM »
i do remember that when this movie first came out my mom and her friends just thought frank langella was the dreamiest.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '05 II / Re: OT...Dracula on AMC
« on: July 16, 2005, 04:39:00 PM »
did anybody else catch this?

it was sooo dated!it was shot in the washed-out natural palette popular in the late 1970's.it looked like a gothic ralph lauren ad.that's not to say there wasn't beauty there as well.

but frank langella's blow-out was more than i could take. ::)

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Calendar Events / Announcements '05 II / OT...Dracula on AMC
« on: July 16, 2005, 01:09:35 AM »
just an fyi.the 1979 version of "dracula" starring frank langella will be airing tonight(fri.7/15)at 10:00pm on theĀ  american movie classics channel(ch.43 in the new york area).

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Polls Archive / Re: DS Female Character Poll
« on: July 15, 2005, 01:07:54 AM »
while i generally like to think that victoria winters was the prettiest girl that has ever lived on this planet ever ::) ::) ::)

...i have to conceed that above the knees vicki gets rather stocky.so the miniskirted maggie evans won my vote for best gams.

they do say that "the legs are the last to go" so props must also be given to liz. :-*

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: The July 13th Episodes (Spoilers!)
« on: July 14, 2005, 12:24:43 AM »
i had the same thought when jason taunted vicki about her past at the blue whale.it hadn't come up in so long and the show was about to go off in a completely different direction.still i thought it was a well played scene.vicki was so miss goody-two-shoes in it that i wanted to scream!it was one of the last episodes where she still functioned as that sort of character...before she became bait for heaven knows what sort of creatures.

a few times later she mentions to jeff that she had no memories of her past but it's never a major topic again. :(

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julia:"now you must listen to me vicki...you will never remember and you will never forget.....at least for the next few episodes until this entire plot development is dropped and never mentioned again."

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julia:"well there's really no reason to sulk carolyn...i simply look better in moss-green than you do.
i'd like my dress back by the end of the day."

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: The July 12th Episodes
« on: July 13, 2005, 12:08:56 AM »
for various reasons episode 535 is an all-time favorite of mine.
i loved the scene where barnabas followed vicki around the drawing room,begging her to tell him the dream.it was shot in a really cool way.

and let's not get started with julia making contact with cassandra! :o

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: The Locked Room
« on: July 12, 2005, 02:04:23 AM »
i liked these episodes alot too.
i did however find one part of this storyline to be ultimately unsatisfying.that's the rather pat explaination that it was liz's sobbing that vicki heard coming from the basement room when she first arrived at collinwood.that liz would be sobbing over the meaning of this room makes sense...but they don't explain how it was heard coming from inside a locked room.it just seemed too easy.