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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Does this settle it?
« on: December 06, 2005, 08:05:25 PM »
when i was actually watching the 1795 storyline my impression was that the collins family had lived in "the old house" for generations not less than 30 years.why would joshua build such an elaborate house and in a rather short period of time feel the need to build collinwood?the family was not that large and there didn't seem to be alot of servants.

was it intended for the old house to be a home for barnabas and josette?i remember naomi giving it to barnabas after he married angelique but i forget where barnabas and josette were supposed to live.

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penny,

when i first looked at this the three characters that came to mind were sam evans,david collins and angelique.

did you really take these pictures at the carey mansion?

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Ep #637
« on: December 06, 2005, 02:55:23 AM »
a union between fake-vicki and jeff clark?talk about a match made in hell. [diablo]

the thing about jeff's disappearance is that it's ultimately not that satisfying.within episodes he's back during the brief 1796 storyline.then we get ned stuart...and dirk wilkinson...and charles delaware tate.you get my drift.

besides "dirk's" cheesy glued-on mustache they didn't do anything to differentiate roger davis' characters.it's always jeff clark in my mind.contrast this to uber-chameleon thayer david.look at the four characters he played during this same period.each one both physically and tempermentally it's own persona.

i know that dan curtis liked roger davis but were they contractually bound to keep using him?would it have killed them to have another actor play ned stuart?charles delaware tate?it's sort of disconcerting to have the same actor keep showing up as different characters one right on top of the other.

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: THE "BIG SIX"
« on: December 03, 2005, 08:09:35 PM »
d.s. is anomalous in daytime soaps in that it became so reliant on a single character and the actor that played him.
it had a large cast and numerous sub-plots but everything always came back to barnabas collins and as a result jonathan frid as well.

as barnabas' bride pointed out any attempt to replace him would have crashed and burned.the audience simply wouldn't have been accepting of anyone other than frid in that part.
of all of the actors under discusion here he is unique because while i think the other actors would have been difficult to recast the show likely could have continued should thier character be written out(and indeed it did in the case of vicki).it would have been difficult to come up with a foil like angelique but it's possible.

i suppose quentin could have been groomed to become the show's lead but even that is questionable.it's impossible for us to know today what would really have happened should frid have decided to exit the show but i think that abc would have really had no choice but to cancel it.

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Who here has seen the WB pilot?
« on: December 03, 2005, 05:47:34 PM »
DF--- If actresses then had not worn mini-skirts, viewers would have wondered what other time or what other planet these women were from.    Mini-skirts were universal.    DS would not have reflected the times without them.    In fact, the attitude of some women then would have been, if they hadn't had mini-skirts on DS, why won't they let us show anything?   Do they want us to wrap ourselves up in curtains?    I'm not commenting on whether that's good or bad.    It just is, or was.

Amanda Harris was okay.

the d.s. fashions are one of my favorite thing about the show.especially those miniskirts.there's nothing sweeter than maggie evans in a mini.funny but i think the mini's made the actresses look girlish and innocent.

i work in the fashion industry and every few seasons designers try to bring them back but except for the 'paris hilton' set there aren't alot of takers.

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: THE "BIG SIX"
« on: December 03, 2005, 05:32:57 PM »
barnabas' bride,

i love nancy barrett and kathryn leigh scott too.personally i wouldn't ever want to recast any of our players either.

but i was just thinking that at the time of the show's production if any of the actors had decided to leave if a recast would have been a possibilty or if the character would simply have to be written out.the six i mentioned seemed to me to be the most unrecast-able for the reason you mention.audiences wouldn't except it.

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Vampire Survival Puzzlement
« on: December 03, 2005, 05:18:39 PM »
during this part of the story barnabas did do one supremely unselfish thing.

when he saw that the effects of the dream curse were driving vicki insane he implored her to tell him the dream so that she may have some peace.

but yes,otherwise b was essentially as self serving as pre-1795 vampire b.to soften him up a bit they threw in that everything he was doing was to protect vicki and then the entire collins family(how's that for a stretch?)from death at the hands of adam.

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Current Talk '05 II / THE "BIG SIX"
« on: December 02, 2005, 03:10:30 AM »
i know i'm asking for trouble but i just can't resist.

recent talk of recasts made me think.were there characters on the show that simply could not have been effectively recast?ever?
characters that had become so defined by the actors that played them that there just wasn't anyone else who could have captured the character again in the same way?

in my opinion there were six such characters:

VICTORIA.ELIZABETH.BARNABAS.JULIA.ANGELIQUE.QUENTIN.

to me too much of the actors' persona actually shaped these characters and no one could effectively replicate that.any attempt would have been futile.

as much as i love(adore!)nancy barrett i find it conceivable that another actress,well chosen,could have been a possiblity.it would have made for a different carolyn stoddard but under the right circumstances it could have worked.the same for kathryn leigh scott.
but could anyone else play julia other than grayson hall?or liz other than joan bennett?and try and imagine a recast for barnabas.they might as well cancel the show on the spot.

early on i think that there were a few good recasts(sam evans,matthew morgan,willie loomis).later not so good(vicki).but the actors i mentioned brought too much of themselves to the roles and it defined them.in some cases turning minor characters into stars.

so what do you guys think?could any of these actors be replaced?what characters not mentioned do you think could be added to the list?

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angelique:"i MUST find barnabas.i will use the POWER of CHROMAKEY...um...i mean...um...the POWER of this MAGIC MIRROR to locate him."

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Flubs and Bloopers
« on: November 30, 2005, 02:00:51 AM »
i'm confused about this.

at the begining of each dvd there is a disclaimer saying something along the lines of their being unable to fix the glitches in the episodes without editing them and that mpi has decided to air them unedited.what is being edited out?

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Polls Archive / Re: The fate of Count Petofi
« on: November 30, 2005, 01:54:23 AM »
funny,

since i've been watching the show from episode one i always looked at 'leviathan' as something in the distant viewing future.a late storyline i could simply choose not to watch when the time came.

but since i'm currently watching the 1897 storyline leviathan looms as a reality and i just know i'll watch it.
to tell you the truth i'm sort of looking forward to it.as much as i like 1897 i prefer the 'present time' episodes.i just like those characters.since i've always heard negative(not all negative ;))things about the leviathan storyline my expectations for it aren't that high so i'll just watch it on it's own terms.

after the highs of the 1795 storyline i had a bitter pill to swallow with the adam story.some who have been here for awhile might remember how upset about it i was at the time ::).so i really don't think i could find another storyline more disappointing.

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Vampire Survival Puzzlement
« on: November 28, 2005, 02:20:50 AM »
you're right mangus,

that was sort of my point.as originally conceived barnabas was a monster.but by the time the 1897 story was told he had become the show's protagonist and deeply troubled 'hero'.

as such i think the writers knew that having him do really yucky things like drink animals blood was unseemly and likely to turn off viewers and that's why it wasn't discussed at this point.

i wasn't thinking about what a real vampire might need in terms of blood but simply how the writing for the character had changed between 1967 and 1897. ;)

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Current Talk '05 II / Re: Vampire Survival Puzzlement
« on: November 27, 2005, 06:56:08 PM »
i've been thinking about this too.

i'm watching the 1897 storline now and there has been a remarkably low body count for there being a vampire in town.when barnabas first arrived in 1967 there was lots of talk of animal drained of blood and attacks on local girls.in 1795 he was fond of those dockside doxies.but in 1897 there is very little of that.

my theory is this.when b was first brought in he was to serve as the ultimate villian.so it was acceptable for him to do really revolting,animalistic things to survive.by the time they tell the 1897 story he serves as the show protagonist.it's bizzare "moral center".so it would not have been acceptable for him to be attacking animals and destroying everyone in sight.he'd been written into too much of a "gentleman" for that.he was a vampire because it made for interesting storytelling and on occasion he could bite pretty girls like charity and beth but the more animalistic side of his nature was off-limits.

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Polls Archive / Re: DS women of present time.
« on: November 27, 2005, 06:39:40 PM »
good question misa.

they never really did explain who jeff clark was.vicki nearly ran him down very shortly after she returned to the present from 1795.but according to dr.lang jeff had been in his employ for some time and before that he was in some sort of institution for the criminally insane.so all this had been happening to jeff while peter was still alive in 1795?since vicki had only been in the past for minutes in the present was jeff in collinsport before the seance?would their meeting have had any signifigance if it happened before her trip to the past?

also they have jeff/peter return to the past during the betsy durkin episodes.i wonder if they knew it wasn't working out and just needed to wrap the character and the storyline up(with assurances to roger davis he would be almost immediately brought back as another character).if alexandra hadn't left i wonder if jeff would have remained in the present or if his departure was inevitable?

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Polls Archive / Re: DS women of present time.
« on: November 27, 2005, 03:29:26 AM »
how long was anthony george's contract for?

it seemed like he was on the show for less than a year.