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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Did they or didn't they? (Was Re: Episode #0496)
« on: February 27, 2007, 02:20:04 AM »
the characters louis edmonds played in the historical time periods(joshua,edward)didn't give me that gay vibe.they just struck me as pompous blowhards.

the more i think about "parallel-time" roger the gayer he gets.i recall a scene where roger is talking to angelique's portrait about how they had laughed and made fun of all the guests after a party she had hosted.way gay. ::)
i wonder if this was something subversive on the writers' part.they couldn't ever write this into the storyline in 1970 but it could be coyly suggested.

that's really the way i read that character.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Adam & Carolyn doing the deed?
« on: February 25, 2007, 06:47:32 PM »
i remember finding that this incident had an extremely disturbing "rape" subtext to it(or at least some type of attempted sexual assault was strongly implied.)

back then a rape storyline would not have been possible but i think something like that is what the writers were trying to get across.

during this plot was the only time in the show's run that i disliked carolyn extremely.i thought she used incredibly poor judgment across the whole storyline.

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Current Talk '07 I / "smoke" and mirrors
« on: February 25, 2007, 04:15:04 AM »
tonight i watched an episode that made me laugh...specifically episode number 304.

in it there is a genius cat-and-mouse scene where an increasingly suspicious burke asks miss hoffman for her "opinion" of barnabas collins.

it's not often that a characater "light's up" on the show(of course a memorable exception would be julia brazenly using a candelabra as a match)but in this scene julia and burke are both fiendishly chomping on cigarettes!

the room is filled with smoke.apart from obvious teleprompter readings i'm surprised neither actor coughed up a lung.it's that bad.

at one point julia scrathes her temple bringing the lit cigarette dangerously close to that god-awful wig she wore during this time.between that and the flamable nature of polyester tweed i'm shocked the good doctor didn't go up in flames right then and there.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0238
« on: February 24, 2007, 07:30:14 PM »
if i may make one more observation on the subject i wonder if it was originally planned that elizabeth never left the house at all(that was implied in the earliest of episodes)but that that became too limitting in terms of her character and how other plots could unfold?

for intance she was conveniently made absent in a few episodes where the plot dictated that vicki be left alone on the house.[spoiler]one being the episode where david lures vicki to the closed-off section of the house and locks her in.the other time being where roger grabs her and places his hand over her mouth to prevent her from screaming during the time she thought he was involved in bill malloy's death.[/spoiler]

during these episodes i was like "where's liz?" but it gets hastily explained that she was somewhere on the grounds with matthew or mrs.johnson.

of course she couldn't have had her awsome showdowns with [spoiler]laura if she couldn't storm into her cottage and she couldn't have comtemplated jumping from widows' hill during the jason mcquire plot if she couldn't leave the house either.[/spoiler]

i remember in some later episodes where liz was "in town" how strange it was to see her away from collinwood.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Four New Slideshows
« on: February 24, 2007, 07:10:44 PM »
does this mean a new look and layout for the board?

i do love the red and brown but if i may be so bold a new "theme" would be fun.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0238
« on: February 22, 2007, 03:38:21 AM »
lydia,

i remember when i first started watching the show being confused about whether or not liz never left the house proper or just the estate.

they made a very big deal about how she hadn't left collinwood for eighteen years yet she could be made absent when the plot dictated that someone be alone in the house.

if you watch carefully it's explained that liz doesn't ever leave collinwood the estate.on numerous occasions she visits matthew morgan at his cottage and later on laura at this same location.there's talk of her visiting i believe a greenhouse or some of the other outbuildings on the property and she of course visits widow's hill on many occasions as well.

so one can assume the old house was not out of bounds.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Did they or didn't they? (Was Re: Episode #0496)
« on: February 18, 2007, 06:15:51 PM »
even though "such things" were not openly discussed in those days(and certainly not written into a soap opera)it is possible to read a gay subtext into the character of roger.perhaps it's more something louis edmonds brought to the role than how the character was written.perhaps it's a combination of the two.

still there are alot of "cliches" with roger.these are all of course stereotypes but there's a foppishness to him,he drinks heavily,he has a bitchiness to him,a catty relationship with his sister,unsuccessful relationships with women.

i never really thought about him having a "thing" for burke but in his obsessivness towards him it's possible to read that into it.

i remember finding "parallel time roger" to have a particularly gay subtext to him.his infatuation with angelique didn't seem sexual but more the type of thing gay men often develop for glamorous,bitchy women.

again i know these are all "cliches" but let's say it takes one to know one. ;)

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Caption This! - The Return of Laura / Re: Episode #0170
« on: February 18, 2007, 02:05:15 AM »
the massive heft of vicki's fall finally caused the poor girl's neck to snap.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Did they or didn't they? (Was Re: Episode #0496)
« on: February 18, 2007, 01:31:48 AM »
i seem to recall a scene towards the end of the storyline where roger and cassandra are playing chess.

roger,becoming increasingly weary of his distant wife's coldness,implies that indeed the marriage was never consummated.i can believe it.

b.t.w. i always felt that the writers used roger as a convenient "device" in order to get cassandra into collinwood.the storyline wasn't really about them at all and they actually shared few scenes for a married couple.i was somewhat disappointed by that.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Valentine's Day in Collinsport
« on: February 17, 2007, 07:27:18 PM »
i'm getting to this topic a bit late however...

considering how things usually turned out in the romance department a valentine in collinsport might as well have read "happy valentine's day...i love you...and goodbye" because you can bet that one of the parties involved will soon be kidnapped,killed,cursed,hanged,burned,burried alive,sent back in time,tossed off widow's hill,packed off to wyndcliff,fall for every miniskirted s.y.t. besides you or some similar calamity.

these things just did not go well for our friends. ::)

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i'm in two minds about this.

i think the black-and-white format perfectly suited the early,gothic,victoria winters stuff.very noir.i also think the early barnabas storyline's sense of creepiness was heightened in black-and-white.

storywise it was somewhat odd to make the transition to color in a random blue whale scene(however a signifigant one since it marked the return of maggie evans)rather than in an episode that marked a major transition in storyline or time period.it might have been cool if the show had gone to color when vicki finds herself outside the old house in 1795...sort of a "wizard of oz" type effect.

at the same time my favorite period on the show is the early color episodes.from about the time that julia comes to stay at collinwood till the seance that leads to 1795 are my favorite months.i just love that part of the show.

i also think some of the later "trippier" storylines were enhanced by the color format. [happy10]

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / grayson hall film showing
« on: February 15, 2007, 01:52:19 AM »
the museum of the moving image in astoria,n.y. is having an exhibit called the "fashion in film festival" that runs from march 15-25.

on saturday,march 24th there will be a one time only screening of the 1966 film "who are you,polly maggoo?" at 7:00pm.
most of you know this film stars our favorite lady doctor grayson hall.

for additional information call the museum at (718)784-0077.

i am so there!

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: did she lead him on?
« on: February 13, 2007, 02:23:29 AM »
is one allowed to answer one's own question?

i definitely think that,as written,vicki was supposed to be too much the guileless waif to deliberately lead on barnabas.

but had these been "real" people the fact that she didn't pick up on his obvious attraction to her was naive in the extreme.

the fact that no one besides burke,willie and julia didn't catch this either is pretty ridiculous.again i think that,as written,vicki,liz,carolyn and the rest were supposed to see barnabas as a charming older gentlman with a harmless affection for a young girl(practically a family member)with a similar interest in local history,old houses,antique gowns,music boxes,embroidered handkerchiefs and so on. ::)

b.t.w. gothick i just adore the scene you mention where julia tries to let vicki know barnabs' interest in her went beyong simple friendship.this was in one of the first color episodes and i remember finding the sight of vicki in her orange sleeveless to be just dizzying.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Dameon Edwards
« on: February 13, 2007, 02:02:25 AM »
even when i was watching the dameon edwards subplot i felt that it was just mid-storyline filler while most of the "majors" were doing the movie.

it didn't interest me in the least and i forgot it as soon as it was over.as i recall it didn't really effect the parallel-time storyline as a whole.

even now i'm drawing a complete blank on the details.

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Current Talk '07 I / did she lead him on?
« on: February 11, 2007, 04:14:57 AM »
i've been watching the summer of 1967 episodes.

here the whole barnabas/vicki/burke triangle really heats up.love it!

but not having seen these episodes in some time i'm noticing things i didn't the first time i saw them.

now i know that we are supposed to believe that vicki is just this guileless ingenue who would never do something as duplicitous as encourage a man whom she didn't have any intentions of ever becoming seriously involved with but in a way that's exactly what she does.

she practically coos to barnabas' musings on the past and i can certainly see how he might have gotten the "wrong idea".there was a signifigant age difference between the two so are we supposed to think that she just sees him as a kindly older gentleman?

in a few scenes she outright flirts with him!now burke certainly acted like a possessive jerk during this storyline but he was right in that barnabas had designs on vicki...and for some reason nobodby else picked up on this.

for his part barnabas' shameless pursuit of her in burke's presence is something else.it made for great storytelling but it's so bad. ::)