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Messages - michael c

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Current Talk '16 II / Re: Was There a Library at Collinwood?
« on: June 18, 2016, 02:20:49 PM »
Sometimes I think of Liz's personal powder room as being very dainty, French Regency, afloat in shades of lavender and blue.

with her wiglet carefully pinned on a block.  [ghost_wink]

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Current Talk '16 II / Re: Was There a Library at Collinwood?
« on: June 18, 2016, 11:01:27 AM »
the set was tiny and the production values low...

so in addition to the majority of the rooms being conveniently "closed off" there were many more that were referenced but never appeared on screen. the library, the dining room, servants quarters, all went unseen.

the Old House saw even less. other than the main room downstairs, Josette's room and various basement coffin chambers, cells and laboratories we never saw most of the house.

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Current Talk '16 II / Re: Why Do We Hate Certain Characters?
« on: June 09, 2016, 12:38:19 AM »
i love most of the above mentioned actors and most of their characters to death. Joan, Grayson, Louis, and Nancy could do no wrong. Pennock's characters i was usually somewhat indifferent to...


the only character i ever really "hated" was Adam and his surrounding storyline. to me it was the show's absolute nadir.


all of the assorted and sundry "Trasks" and "Quentins" became dull and interchangebale to me after awhile. Trask was grating and obnoxious and Lacey played him with a broad cartoonish swath that hit high camp. but he served a certain narrative function and i didn't really "hate" him. Quentin was so boring i nearly fall asleep when he's onscreen but he's too dull to truly "hate".

suffice to say Roger Davis' entire oeuvre was fingers on a chalkboard but Ned Stuart took home the prize. mercifully his tenure was of a brevity that didn't leave too much damage.

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if i could guess some of the more "traditional" (ie. housewives) soap opera viewers might turned on 'Search for Tomorrow' once the dry ice machine started cranking. but that void was filled and then some with kids and more adventurous watchers.


to me the show works best when it blends the supernatural with more traditional soap storytelling. it's what gives it it's unique flavor and keeps it from devolving into 'Creature Double Feature'  territory. when it's monster-vs-monster, with no real human interactions, it's just dumb.

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Current Talk '16 I / Re: "Oh Where, oh Where..."
« on: May 30, 2016, 12:31:30 AM »
New York was a much, much less expensive place to live in the 1960s...

one can imagine regular soap work, even "off contract", could have afforded an actor a modestly comfortable life.

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by this point the "real" human interactions were definitely being shortchanged in favor of whatever monster was coming out of the woodwork.

it was a considerable misjudgement on the part of the writers. but i guess they had lunchboxes and bubble gum cards to sell.  [ghost_rolleyes]

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Current Talk '16 I / Re: "Oh Where, oh Where..."
« on: May 29, 2016, 01:55:57 PM »
i have an old 'Life' magazine from 1968 that has an article on what a sensation the show had become by that point owing largely to the Barnabas character...


i states that Alexandra, who had been the original "lead", was two years into her five year contract. we know how that worked out but it's notable that if she had not left under the circumstances she did, and simply fulfilled the obligations of her contract, she would have remained with the show for it's duration.

i think it's safe to assume Joan had a similar deal given her "name" value and how important she originally was to the structure of the show. 

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Current Talk '16 I / Re: "Oh Where, oh Where..."
« on: May 29, 2016, 12:27:26 PM »
i get the impression by their increasingly sporadic appearances that by the fall of 1970 many of the actors...KLS, Edmonds, Karlen, Hennesey...had lapsed contracts and were working "off contract" or on a per episode basis...

i don't know if new actors brought in during the period (Kate Jackson. James Storm) were placed under contract of if the series' status by that point was so nebulous worked as extended day players or had "short term" (six months for instance) contracts.

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Current Talk '16 I / Re: "Oh Where, oh Where..."
« on: May 29, 2016, 11:04:15 AM »
1970PT and HoDS were shot simultaneously. so for several weeks most of the main cast were doing "double duty" and were seen on the series only sporadically or were absent almost entirely. in their absence David Selby and Lara Parker (and some of the lesser players), who did not appear in the film, headed up the cast during this period.

in terms of 1995 it was just a brief look into "the future". a time when most of the characters were dead. hence their absence. it was just a setup for Barnabas and Julia to stumble upon another "disaster" they had to try and prevent. only this time they were thrust into the future and not the past.

i'm not sure how the "on contract" players were compensated. if it was a standard "salary" or of if they were paid on a "per episode" basis.

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this board has always had a strong base of "first year aficionados"...

one of the best things about it. those episodes are pure gold.

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for this reason these "best of" compilations have never had any draw for me.

my "best of" could be Julia removing a pair of gloves or Mrs. Johnson complaining about spoiled mayonnaise. they'd never make the cut. 

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one man's trash is another man's treasure...

the minutia, the offhand remarks, the throwaway scenes, are some of the favorite things about the show. not just the big dramatic moments.

one of my all time favorite scenes is a 1967 scene where Carolyn, under a certain "influence", gives Julia a hard time for not being "properly" attired for dinner. it's nothing really. it doesn't push the narrative forward. it doesn't really mean anything plot wise. it's just some cat and mouse.

but those types of moments make up the totality of it.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 I / Re: Penny Dreadful
« on: May 22, 2016, 09:44:21 PM »
i don't have Showtime and have to wait til the dvd comes out...

how has it been?

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Current Talk '16 I / Re: In Memoriam
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:52:47 PM »
what had been unique innovations earlier in the show's run...concepts of time travel, parallel worlds and multiple characterizations...had by around 1970 actually become more of a crutch...


run out of fresh story ideas for "the present"?? just launch some characters into the past! it was like a costume change and different character names was supposed to provide the "atmosphere" and viewers wouldn't notice how repetitive it was becoming. when a story ran out of steam they just changed the time period. it wasn't fresh anymore.

for me 1970 Parallel Time was the last truly new or inventive storyline.

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Current Talk '16 I / Re: In Memoriam
« on: May 22, 2016, 11:34:00 AM »
i'm sure if i had been a viewer at the time i would have been devastated...


but as a contemporary viewer i have found the five year cycle to be more than satisfying. 1225 episodes of anything is a lot to get through. and towards the end it really started to feel played out.


i really don't think i could have slogged through "1864 parallel time" or whatever the next time period/storyline would have been and another round of generic "Trasks", "Quentins" and Nancy Barrett cockney "Fayes". Joanathan, Grayson and Joan in particular seemed like they were ready to collapse from exhaustion during the final months. the freshness and energy was gone.

all good things must come to an end.