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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 I / Semi-O.T...1840 and 1970
« on: March 16, 2008, 01:29:29 AM »
i friend loaned me a dvd of a re-release of an old 'bbc' production of honore' de balzac's 1846 novel "cousin bette" starring a very young and fetching dame helen mirren.

it was produced sometime in the early seventies so it totally has the same 1970 does 1840 look that the 1840 time period has on d.s..the fashions,hair and make-up styles are very similar.

it was also filmed in a similar way.almost like a filmed version of a live play.

i'm imagining clarice blackburn as the spinsterish bette and lara parker as the coquettish valerie.

anyways if anyone catches a copy of this it's quite an entertaining little mini-series in the 'masterpiece theater' tradition.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0500
« on: March 16, 2008, 01:13:29 AM »
since the character of sam evans only appeared in four or five more episodes once he'd been blinded i think the old teleprompter story is a case of kls spinning a yarn to entertain the troops. [snow_undecided]

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Another thing to think about....
« on: March 16, 2008, 01:09:02 AM »
from what i understand(and someone please correct me if i'm wrong)by the time of the brief return to 1971 the show had already been canceled and curtis and company had decided to go out in a parallel time period with little or no thought to the characters they had introduced five years earlier...

so they probably didn't care that the continuity would be thrown out of whack(since they'de never be returning to the "present" again anyways)and just wanted to wrap things up quickly before they moved on to the final time period.

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brandon makes an interesting point...

by rights angelique should have turned julia into toast.she was in part responsible for the removal of her curse on barnabas and was always assisting him in some way.
let's not forget either that part of the curse was that anyone who loved barnabas would die and we all know how julia felt.

people seem to like to throw julia a pity party because barnabas never returned her feelings but considering what sort of catastrophes befell most of the other characters julia got off rather easily.

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i know that paul stoddard was the ghost that was originally supposed to have haunted jeb and that dennis patrick became unavailable hence the character substitutions...

but if they had to wing it anyways almost anything would have made more sense than dragging vicki and peter out of mothballs and then "killing-off" two characters who were long since departed anyways.

it was just kitchen-sink storytelling that didn't add anything meaningful to the plot.

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Current Talk '08 I / "who are vicki and peter???"
« on: March 12, 2008, 06:39:42 PM »
this topic always gets me thinking...

by rights this plot development should have upset me more than it actually did.yes it sucked.it was horrible writing and bad storytelling.

but the truth is i had already "mourned" the loss of vicki when alexandra moltke left the show a year earlier.
after that the name "victoria winters" just became a name typed into the script.it was alexandra's portrayal of the character i missed.

but i wonder what impact this plot twist actually had at the time it was originally aired?
we're all watching this thing on dvd so we can move foreward and backward through the series' run at will.a vicki and peter episode can be viewed simply by putting the disc into the player.so all of the characters from the show's entire run are in effect "current" for us because we can see them anytime we want.this makes a 1966 character as "current" to us as a 1840 character because we can see them anytime.

but when this first aired it was totally out of left field.alexandra(and the character victoria)had been gone for over a year.roger davis had played three characters since peter's departure including one within this particular storyline.since 1897 had been the show's most highly rated storyline(with leviathan immediately following it timewise)lots of viewers hadn't been watching during the vicki/peter era and probably didn't even know who they were.plus they did not otherwise factor into the leviathan storyline whatsoever.

so apart from this being horrible writing and continuity(and a dreadful thing to do to a beloved character)it probably didn't even have the desired "shock" effect it was intended to. [snow_sad]

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Famous DS Fans
« on: March 10, 2008, 01:46:36 AM »
so la alig was a fan?

that's pretty hot.i actually knew alig's partner in crime 'freeze' quite well back in my college days in boston.he dated a classmate of mine and even then was a total creep.whatev.

sometime ago i read andy warhol "superstar" and drag legend 'holly woodlawn's' autobiography 'lowlife in high heels' and she wrote an amusing passage about how back in the day she and her fellow east village freaks used to shoot up heroin,pile onto a bed and watch d.s..

the visual was just too much!

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0492
« on: March 05, 2008, 07:46:11 PM »
due to the special effects capabilities of the time the dream itself is pure cheese-whiz...

but i think the storyline was really original and unique.for me it was a high-point in the wildly uneven 1968.
i liked that at a time when adam was taking over the series(and the original characters being marginalized)this plot utilized nearly the entire cast.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 I / Re: Moltke/Von Bulow Trial
« on: March 05, 2008, 07:36:44 PM »
so alexandra was channeling V on the witness stand?

that's hot.perhaps she was imagining that the prosecutor was reverand trask! [snow_shocked]


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Current Talk '08 I / goodbye(wipes tear)frank garner...
« on: March 04, 2008, 07:39:28 PM »
today's slideshow marks one of the show's most momentous departures...

in episode 180 joe haskell,dr.guthrie and frank garner dig up the grave of laura murdoch stockbridge only to discover that the body has disappeared.then frank does his own disappearing act.

after this episode the character(and actor conrad fowkes)is never seen again. [snow_cry]

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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 I / Re: Where is Everyone?
« on: March 03, 2008, 02:51:30 AM »
just saying hi...

haven't been feeling particularly chatty lately. [snow_kiss]

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Current Talk '08 I / brandy and blackmail
« on: February 25, 2008, 12:34:08 AM »
without getting too off-topic lately i have caught a few episodes of "the young and the restless"...

currently there is a plot involving a rather scoundrel-ish character named i believe 'jeffery' blackmailing a rather grand-dame-ish character named 'gloria'(something involving a poisoned face cream but whatever).

so anyways this cad has managed(via blackmail)to ingratiate himself into her home(naturally this being a soap opera it is always refered to as "the abbot mansion").needless to say without gainful employment 'jeffery' has lots of time to lounge around sipping brandy and something about this bit gave me some deja-vu...

this whole set-up is very jason mcquire-ish!

so what gives?why is it that on soaps whenever some rouge manages to blackmail himself into the family manse he occupies himself by rather showily pouring himself brandy from some elaborate glass decanter,holding the snifter up and examining it's contents(as if this louse can discern a fine spirit from a bottle of two-buck-chuck),and smirking to himself before downing it's contents.he does this by the way at any time of the day and as if to rub salt in the wounds of the people who actually live in the house "offers" them a glass all "lord of the manor" style.

now i don't know much about spirits(the occasional bourbon manhattan rocks)but is the consumption of warm brandy in the middle of the day supposed to make these characters seem "rich"?i know i've seen this plot device employed elsewhere as well. [snow_huh]

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0482
« on: February 25, 2008, 12:05:18 AM »
a few years ago during a fest Q&A i foolishly asked kathryn leigh scott if she remembered the riddle sarah had used to help maggie escape during her imprisonment in the old house basement(..."one,two,away they flew...three,four,near the door"...)and of course she acted like i was from outer space...

so as much as i'd love to know the true nature of maggie's quilted garment i doubt she'll remember whether it was in fact pants or a maxi-skirt...but maybe i'll ask her anyways.
personally i prefer to think of it as a skirt and i would be somewhat crestfallen to discover that it's pants.

on her making her own clothes they do have that "butterick pattern #17" feel.i always think it's nice to think about a young kls sitting at the sewing machine in her cute little studio apartment,trying on the finished garment,twirling before a mirror and smiling to herself at a job well done.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: The Julia In My Head
« on: February 06, 2008, 03:26:01 AM »
i'll ammend my statements on julia bit...

i find episodes and periods throughout the show's entire run where i really like julia and find her to be an interesting character.

as gothick mentioned during the leviathan storyline and i adored 'hoffman' during parallel-time.

but when she's sort of just "good" barnabas' assistant grayson seems unchallenged by the material.i think she's better when she's being somehow duplicitous.
by late 1970 i got the impression she was just bored with the whole thing and sometimes phoned it in.

but i think 1967 "miss hoffman" is my favorite interpretation of the character.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: The Julia In My Head
« on: February 03, 2008, 01:55:32 AM »
soap operas in general...and d.s. in particular...have a peculiar habit of introducing a villianous character who does really dreadful things but if that character becomes extremely popular and cannot be killed,jailed or otherwise done away with they try and soften that character up...often going so far as making that character a hero or heroine.

if i may get a bit o.t. here back in the 1990's i used to watch "the young and the restless".

there were three characters i remember as being particularly loathsome...michael baldwin,lauren fenmore and phylis newman.michael was a rapist,lauren a vixen and phylis a murderer!

imagine my surprise when i tuned in recently and found these former scoundrels re-cast as the shows central figures and all-around-do-gooders.

enter d.s.

the show often introduced really nasty villians and once that character became "popular" and could no longer be effectively disposed of they softened them up and even made them "nice".
that's what i think became of the complex,duplicitous julia of 1967.barnabas was going to boil her in oil or something to that effect but once she became popular they recast her as the newly virtuous barnabas' partner in saving the collins family from every sort of calamity imaginable.

i remember watching the 1970 episodes when gerard was cast as the villian-du-jour.there were lots of scenes of barnabas,julia and quentin sitting around collinwood trying to figure out how to save everyone.
i also remember thinking boy were these three really dull characters.they lost their edge along the way to popularity.

julia doesn't exactly have the blood on her hands that barnabas and quentin did but those were two total fiends before they became the show's warped "anti-heros" but still she wasn't exactly physician of the year. [snow_rolleyes]