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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Elizabeth Collins / 18 yrs at Collinwood
« on: May 21, 2008, 09:35:18 PM »
'brewsters' became something of a major destination during the leviathan storyline with characters seeming to stop by almost daily...

with everything else going on during this period that everyone had the time to do something really ordinary like shop at a department store amused me to no end when i watched it.

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Current Talk '08 I / "lemon or cream?"
« on: May 16, 2008, 09:00:58 PM »
i was watching some early 1968 episodes.

there was a scene in which maggie evans comes to collinwood to see vicki and is greeted at the door by the new mrs.roger collins...who is of course duly stunned by miss evans' resemblance to her former mistress.

so anyways maggie enters the foyer(daintily removing white kid gloves mind you!),is briefly made uncomfortable by cassandra's incessant staring(you know that look),is then joined by vicki and the two retreat to the drawing room.cut to commercial...

when we return vicki is pouring tea.she inquires to a distracted maggie if she'd like "lemon or cream?" with her tea.
because,you know,here are these two refined young ladies with bows in their hair sipping cream tea.one of whom had quite recently spent several weeks enslaved by a vampire,the other sent two hundred years into the past where she was hanged for witchcraft,meanwhile there's a witch skulking around just outside the drawing room doors who wants to drive them both insane with a dream.

this scene reminded me of why i love this show.dan curtis and the writers made a wise move in tethering all of this insanity to the day-to-day lives of an upper class family and their friends and servants.it's what makes it so distinctive.it could have easily devolved into a 'monster show'(and it sometimes came close)but with scenes like this it comes very close to the top without ever truly going over it.

"lemon or cream miss evans?" "cream and thank you miss winters." love it!

i also was paying some attention to the shoes of all three ladies during this exchange.as usual it was a low,squat heel with a squared-off toe.the kind of shoe that makes some here seeth with rage(wink*midnite).but are they really that bad?i wasn't around so the fashions hold a certain novelty for me but are the shoes really that ugly?

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0544
« on: May 16, 2008, 08:26:24 PM »
lydia...

you're so right about julia's striped jacket/top thing.most unfortunate.julia usually looks chicer in 1968.

if i recall this ensemble got very little use.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Lela Swift on Joan Bennett
« on: May 13, 2008, 06:18:44 PM »
as lydia mentions all of those interviewed for the dvd's speak of ms.bennett in glowing terms...even people like kate jackson,whom if i recall,actually shared very little screentime with her.

even when her characters were not on the front-burner joan is for me one of the perhaps dozen or so touchstone actors on the show.when i think about d.s. liz is one of the first characters that comes to mind.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0539
« on: May 09, 2008, 07:08:17 PM »
if i recall it's established in some of the very early episodes that carolyn attended school in collinsport.

collinsport seems like the kind of town that only had one high school and even though joe and maggie are supposed to be a few years older than carolyn it's interesting to think about them in school together.
even then was maggie secretly envious of joe's relationship with the spoiled rich girl?

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Current Talk '08 I / something sam said
« on: May 08, 2008, 03:58:27 PM »
i was watching dvd collection three and they had an interview with writer sam hall.

he said a few things about the show that i disagreed with.

one,he refered to the show during the time before barnabas and his tenure as writer as being an "aimless gothic".i thought the show was off to an interesting start.different than what it became but not without merits.

also he stated that before he came on that joan bennett's elizabeth had been an "ill-defined" character.that i disagree with more.if anything joan"s first year on the series was her best and liz got her best material and later on became more more poorly defined when she became something of a backdrop for all of the supernatural characters.

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congratulations of witing the preface prof!

i'll definitely order this book.

will it be available at the "big apple comic book show" since kls will be there?

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Quentin and Jenny
« on: May 02, 2008, 10:30:43 PM »
mysterious,

i'm considering the federal witness relocation program. [ghost_wink]

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Quentin and Jenny
« on: May 02, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »
G.,

you're right about the quentin character's 'rehabilitation'.

but the barnabas 'rehab' i get.they actually took the time to explain it within the storyline.quentin not so much.

david selby was such an awesome villain in 1968 and the early part of 1897 but once the 'tiger beat' covers start and he becomes a heartthrob for the tween set the writers make him 'nice'(or something approximating that,i'm not exactly sure of what they were going for but it's kind of boring)i never,ever understand the character again.

and apart from selby's startling good looks his stratospheric popularity within the d.s. fanbase has always somewhat escaped me. [a2a3]

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0525
« on: May 01, 2008, 06:34:56 PM »
midnite,

your assessment of vicki's worldly goods is truly hilarious...but you forgot to mention a trunk full of falls and green coats.oh,and the portrait of betty handscomb and that doll that ina o'donnell from the foundling home gave her.

i always liked this batch of episodes.when nicholas was summoning vicki and she was silhouetted coming down the stairs it was quite dramatic.at a time when the character was rather wishy-washy vicki was given some good material.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Roger - a neglected gem
« on: April 29, 2008, 03:44:10 PM »
once monsters became the main characters the show's writers were in a bit of a quandry with how to deal with the original,human characters.

characters like vicki,carolyn and maggie could be written into 'damsel in distress' type situations.

david could get haunted,put under spells or possessed.

characters like burke devlin,sam evans and joe haskell were eventually killed-off or otherwise written out.

but as key members of the collins family roger and elizabeth were kept around but were in a way the hardest to write for and thus were often on the back burner after the first year or so.yet they remained an important grounding 'presence' which kept the whole thing from going off the deep end.but for whatever reason the writers didn't know how to use them to their best advantage.they both should have gotten better storylines than they did.
as much as the 'leviathan' storyline is criticised i was pleased that liz got some great material to work with.

in general both joan bennett and louis edmonds seemed to do better in the historical time periods than in the 'present' in the show's later years.

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i was handed a flyer for this event on the street in new york yesterday.

kathryn leigh scott's name was absent but the guy handing them out assured me she'd be there.

i'll definitely check it out.a couple of years ago when i attended this event(and some here may remember)marie wallace,diana millay and nancy barrett were also on hand but it doesn't appear that they will be there again.

i wonder what ms.scott is pitching this time.does she have anything new out?

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Dameon Who?
« on: April 28, 2008, 01:40:25 AM »
there are lots of very interesting and valid points and counterpoints being made here but i'll add this if i may.

suki forbes and julianka were indeed minor characters but for me they created something memorable and unique during their brief stays on the show.

claude and demeon not so much...

true were both pivotal to the plot of the parallel-time storyline but for they they didn't create a lasting impression given the big buildup they both got(again all i can recall about demeon is that leisure suit).

for such a short storyline most of the actors involved really created something unique with the parts they were given...hoffman,angelique/alexis,carolyn,willie,roger,buffie,stokes and even the silent,slab-bound roxanne were all much more successful as characters for me.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0527
« on: April 25, 2008, 11:11:30 PM »
i'm ashamed to admit this however...

i never watched the late 1968 fake-vicki episodes and thus missed the conclusion of the vicki/jeff drama.

so i always thought that jeff clark was in fact peter bradford.i didn't know that once peter had disappeared back in time that jeff still existed as a seperate entity.

it's so weird to think that jeff clark is still wandering around on this earth somewhere.i wonder where he is?

i wonder if he feels strangely every time he sees a woman in a sleeveless dress("something about you is so familiar...").


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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Dameon Who?
« on: April 25, 2008, 07:04:43 PM »
i didn't really get 'claude north' either.

but from what i recall(and it's been some time since i watched this storyline)he was introduced very late in the parallel-time story.shortly before the story shifted to 1995 and then back to the 'present'.

since parallel-time was a completely self-contained story without any threads that picked up in real time(apart from perhaps roxanne's resemblance to her p.t. counterpart)there wasn't really anywhere to go with claude.

but,yeah,he seemed like one of those things/characters on d.s. that gets alot of build up without any real payoff.