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1906
Current Talk '08 II / vicki and peter in 1991
« on: November 14, 2008, 04:59:02 AM »
i would have posted this in the 'watching project' but since we're not supposed to mention the original show in any way i'll start a new topic...

in the original series when vicki is transported back to the year 1795 almost everyone she meets there resembles someone she knows in the present(a phenomenon that causes her no end of grief)with two notable exceptions...angelique bouchard and peter bradford.

thus,when she returns to 1968 and encounters them both(as cassandra and jeff clark)she equates them with people she knew in the past...they had no "present time" counterparts until after she got back.

but in the 1991 series peter bardford looks like joe haskell...someone vicki already knew.
so what does that mean in terms of the peter/vicki love across time storyline?was joe peter's present time counterpart in this world?if the series had continued into season two wouldn't vicki have thought that jeff clark looked like joe haskell and not peter bradford?it's implied at vicki's hanging that that was what was supposed to have happened had the program continued...the whole "i'll find you" stuff.since joe was killed in this version was the actor supposed to have come back as jeff clark?wouldn't that have been confusing?

what does this mean?

1907
Calendar Events / Announcements '08 II / Re: KATHRYN L. SCOTT IN A WIG?
« on: November 13, 2008, 05:08:23 AM »
anyone who's seen miss scott's work on d.s. knows that she's spent more time in wigs and hairpieces than almost anybody...

but,alas,i don't think that it's kls in the commercial.

1908
Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0672
« on: November 12, 2008, 04:17:28 AM »
i was just so glad that liz's endlessly tedious fear of death/being buried alive finally was over i didn't care what else she was doing.it was one of my absolute least favorite plots...

and actually i thought she got some good material during this storyline.

1909
Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0671
« on: November 11, 2008, 10:29:27 PM »
indeed...

miss scott certainly came a long way from slinging hash in ash blond dynel to reigning collinwood damsel-in-distress.

1910
Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0671
« on: November 11, 2008, 07:59:58 PM »
midnite brings up a point that i have often noticed on the show...

that,for whatever reason,in general maggie got the cutest clothes of the three central ingenues.certainly better than vicki's boxy frocks.better too than carolyn's who was supposed to be the spoiled rich girl and could presumably afford the best clothes

and by 1970 she had become a full-fledged fashion plate with her own credit for "miss scott's clothing by junior sophisticates".

kathryn leigh scott certainly improved her status on the show over the years.

1911
Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0671
« on: November 11, 2008, 04:41:50 PM »
lydia...

i'm going to have to give the episode a look.i cannot ever recall a full-fledged high-heel being worn on the program.

it's always that low,squat heel(but not a flat)with the squared-off toe.

there are those here who loathe this shoe but over the years i have grown to be quite fond of it.it provides a nice,satisfying "clack" on the stone floors of the foyer at collinwood. [hall2_kiss]

1912
Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss: '91 Series - Ep #07
« on: November 11, 2008, 02:00:15 AM »
i'm quite behind and i'm trying to catch up...

here we are in 1790.i'm with those who found this development to be a bit rushed.i was just getting used to the "present time" characters and now we have a whole set of new ones.why do i get the feeling that most of them will receive the skimpy character development that their present time counterparts got?

it's a good thing that vicki had had the happenstance to have put on a long,rather sober looking dress the day of the seance.can you imagine if she showed up in a mini.however once she became governess she should have pinned her hair up.,she might have attracted less negative attention more modestly tressed.

it's nice to see all of those 1991 mulletts being so artfully worked into 1970 period ponytails.

so here peter bradford looks like joe haskell.what are the implications of that in wonder?

the scene with millicent's arrival was incongruously kooky for the tone of rest of the series.
why is she such a bitch?and why is her luggage so old and beat up?wouldn't it have been "new" in 1970?

sweet lord adrian paul is hot!
his scene with barnabas and joe is meant to illustrate how "close" they all are so we know that this is all going to go to hell in a handbasket don't we?

i thought that willie loomis was the yuckiest but here we meet reverend trask.i think he is supposed to seem "scary" but he's just gross and stupid and camp.the character is way schlockier than the tone that the series has otherwise tried to set for itself.

back in the here and now elizabeth is on "guard duty" for the sick and sleeping phillis wick...so it goes without saying that she will sit reading a book until she dozes off upright in a chair while her charge takes off...did these people learn nothing from daphne?

angelique had put ben loomis under her mo-jo.like his present time counterpart ben is unnecessarily repugnant but whatever.

we finish with josette's big,soapy "reveal" and sure as shoot she looks just like vicki!this cannot forebode well for either of them.



1913
the whole time i was watching noah gifford i kept thinking that he looked like he had been dressed by jean paul gaultier.

slocum seemed an odd choice for the tough guy parts he was given.i remember a scene where he was trying to "blackmail" nicholas blair into something(i forget exactly what)and instead of sounding threatening he came across as shrill and queeny.

as harry johnson i think that he was originally supposed to come across as early-willie-loomis-ish.sort of a scoundrel.but because slocum brought rather nellie qualities to the role it changed the direction of the character.

1914
this is starting to be quite off-topic but i thought that this might be of interest to some here.

the other evening i went to see the 'cabaret' show of the last surviving member of andy warhol's transvestite trinity holly woodlawn.it was a bit as they say "tradge" but whatever.

anyways at some point two drag queens dressed as jackie curtis and candy darling joined holly onstage for a rendition of 'somewhere over the rainbow'...it was quite a trip.

this was just described to me as being "post-post-modern" and it so was!

p.s. i just read in the 'new york blade'(the gay newspaper)about some unfortunate incidents at this play.i was sorry to hear about that.

1915
i didn't even watch because i thought we were taking a "break" this week for halloween...

did i imagine that?

1916
wow,

i've never heard of the legend of mercy brown.that sounds fascinating.

i'm going to look for a book on that.

1917
i can see why this choice was made.

barnabas and josette were more of an "idea" than an actual couple.yes he carried a torch for her around for two hundred years which is very romatic but we actually saw them as an actual,flesh and blood couple for a couple of months.

most of the time that jonathan frid and kathryn leigh scott worked together she was playing maggie evans or some other character...not josette.

but barnabas and angelique shared years worth of love/hate/push/pull material.frid and lara parker were more of a "couple" in that sense.

1918
Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0660
« on: October 28, 2008, 03:23:07 PM »
i didn't care for this little subplot..and the introduction of yet a third vicki...that much either.

but from what i understand it was very hastily written into the middle of another storyline to pacify fans who were unhappy that vicki had just disappeared into the past with no explanation of what had happened to her.it didn't really change anything in the present or effect the continuity of the rest of the storyline.

and if barnabas could so nonchalantly travel back in time perhaps he could travel back to say,the day he met angelique,and spare himself and everyone else this aggravation in the first place.

b.t.w. i think i read somewhere that the producers actually did try and get betsy durkin back for this but that she was in london doing a play and it wasn't worth it for her to travel back for just a few episodes.

1919
Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss: '91 Series - Ep #06
« on: October 26, 2008, 08:57:04 PM »
i'm with those who found the costume part to be hokey and somewhat pointless(as was julia's business of "hiding" behind her fan).plotwise it only served to achieve one aim...to "present" victoria winters as josette dupres to barnabas and the viewers in the classic costume ball stairway descension.

soap operas in general love costume parties and more specifically masked balls.most have at least one such occasion per season and why should this be any different.it at the very least gives the cast the opportunity to dress up although the costumes tend to be rather overblown affairs.

i,for one,have never been invited to a masked ball...sigh.

i too liked the "end of the party feel" to the ouija board game.cute that roger and maggie were the participants.it was like a secret between them.

carolyn's room was a 1980's monstrosity but wasn't it supposed to be upstairs?how did she end up wandering out of the french doors and into the garden?as with daphne before her the attempts to make her encounter with barnabas "sexy" made me wince.

but i'm with those who are finding barbara blackburn's minxy take on carolyn stoddard to be great fun.

the scene with carolyn and joe going to the antique shop was sort of a roundabout way to achieve the end goal but whatever.the program is set in maine but actually filmed in califorinia so what was with the "ye olde colony shoppe" feel of the shopping location?was california ever colonized by the british?the place had a "disney-ish" vibe.

teatime at collinwood.i'll have to check my copy of 'amy vanderbilt's complete book of etiquette' but does one serve cucumber sandwiches at tea?

i can understand why baranabas needs julia out of the way and why he wouldn't want to get his own hands dirty in the proceedings.but is having carolyn kill her really the wisest option?couldn't he find some other way of dealing with her?at the very least carolyn would get charged with murder and be sent to jail.or is maine a capital state?perhaps having julia dead is worth it all to him but it seems like a bad idea.so the scene where carolyn goes to julia's room with a kitchen knife made for great dramatic affect but was kind of dumb.

my first thought on the seance was "what hideously ugly sweaters" everyone had on but once i got into the spirit of it it was fun.

where can vicki be!?!

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: a lavender menace
« on: October 25, 2008, 08:47:36 PM »
i'm surprised to hear you say this david.

several of the actors on the series are widely known to have been gay.whether or not they publicly chose to "come out to their fans" is somewhat beside the point.it is a simple statement of fact.

this is the year 2008 and i'm simply not going to speak of the subject in hushed,secretive or shameful terms.

sorry if that sounds soapboxy.