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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Up to episode 91
« on: March 05, 2009, 10:26:11 PM »
speaking of art wallace...

i read in "the first year" that wallace left the program after only 13 weeks into it's run.
so it's somewhat remarkable that he continued to get a credit thoughout the show's run.
especially given how far removed the series became from wallace's original vision and so many of "his" characters had departed eventually.

i was even more surprised that he was given an opening credit in the 1991 revival series given that that version had virtually nothing to do with any of wallace's concepts(minus the bit with vicki on the train).

and speaking of maggie evans...

that perky and somewhat annoying girl on the "progressive car insurance" ads sort of reminds me of mags.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Up to episode 91
« on: March 05, 2009, 06:56:29 PM »
whenever i watch these episodes one character i find endlessly entertaining is maggie evans.

later on she becomes something of a generic d.s. ingenue but here she's such a tough-talking little cookie.and a gossip to boot!

she's something of the proverbial "working girl with the heart of gold" or the "good girl fron the wrong side of the tracks".

she's a nice alternative from the high-strung carolyn and the virginal vicki.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0733
« on: March 03, 2009, 10:37:22 PM »
I'm really noticing at this time that characters one should see are missing (such as the children who should be in this episode) and  the length of time between some of the characters appearances.

remember that "five actors per episode" standard.

also,if i'm recalling this correctly,that of all the storylines 1897 seemed to have the most regular characters in rotation.
some actors played more than one character.all of the regular "present time" actors were given roles.plus david selby,terry crawford,donna mckechnie and michael stroka were given major parts.diana millay,marie wallace,jerry lacy,roger davis and humberto allen astredo were all brought back from the abyss in major parts.plus there were several supporting players like kay frye and diana davilla that were around.

other storylines were tighter with less players.1897 was a pretty vast canvas.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Up to episode 91
« on: March 03, 2009, 08:08:27 PM »
i recently completed the 1969 "present day" episodes and had to make a choice...

did i want to continue on to the 1897 storyline or do something else.having watched 1897 relatively recently i decided to go back to the beginning and watch the 1966 episodes.i haven't watched these episodes in their entirely since i first watched them about seven years ago.

so i'm sort of with you arashi.

personally i adore the pen plot.in some ways it's more surreal that what comes later on.in a program that will come to be defined by vampires,time travel and parallel worlds a major storyline focused on something as ordinary as a fountain pen(be it as it may a gorgeous and rare silver filigreed fountain pen!)is pretty far out if you think about it.

in retrospect these episodes take on a flavor all their own.

it's true that the original characters were much more well defined and,in many cases,quite nasty early on.later on they become more neutral,in effect "blank slates",for the supernatural storylines to be projected onto.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: LeviaLiz
« on: February 27, 2009, 04:33:43 AM »
frosty!!!

leviathan liz was one cool customer! [snow_cool]

i adored it.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0727
« on: February 26, 2009, 04:43:11 AM »
i'm with profstokes on this one...

i have always found quentin's stratospheric popularity among the fanbase to be somewhat disproportionate.i don't quite get it.

i guess the character is inextricable from the devastatingly handsome and charismatic david selby.

like alot of us i feel like i know what makes the characters on this thing tick.i understand their modus operandi.their skewed logic.as insane as many of barnabas and julia's shenanigans are i get it.they're doing this to prevent that from happening.

not so with quentin.i don't understand what makes him tick.first he's mean as a hornet,then he's dull as dishwater.he lacked the inherent vulnerability that enabled jonathan frid's barnabas to be recast as the series "hero" and get the audiences sympathy.why would anyone root for this this guy?

he's great as the malevolent ghost in 1969 and as the early villain of 1897 but after that then what?in the present he is very poorly incorporated into the existing framework of the series.his presence at collinwood is inexplicable.why is he there?

and grant douglas is just sort of a warmover of the peter bradfor/jeff clark storyline i think.

o.k. now i'll shut up. [snow_lipsrsealed]

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Barnabas's release in the present kicked things off quite successfully in the original series, and in the revival.To retell the story in linear fashion is a major departure from the original spirit of DS, and a very bad idea...in my opinion  [ghost]

i agree with retzev 100%.

as fond of the period storylines as fans may be d.s. is a story set primarily in the present.setting the first film(which is in and of itself quite presumptuous in assuming there will be more)is a very bad idea.what made 1795 so compelling is that we already knew barnabas and then got to see his origins.

also i know quentin is a hugely popular character but i'm not sure why a later character and storyline(1897)have even entered this conversation.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0691
« on: February 19, 2009, 08:43:10 PM »
i just watched this episode again and i agree it's as close to perfection as the series gets.
it's in the pantheon of my top dozen or so favorite eps.

there are times when i'm watching and i'm aware of the fact that these were,after all,just actors who showed up for work and read the scripts that were written and handed to them.
there are other times when i lose track of that and become so caught up with the sweep of it that it approaches something "real" if that makes sense.this episode and much of this storyline approach that for me.

that it prominently featured three of my favorite actresses...joan bennett,clarice blackburn and kathryn leigh scott...made it all that much more dreamy.liz and mrs.johnson clutching each other in fear as the music swells...goosebumps!

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Calendar Events / Announcements '09 I / Re: He's Done It Again
« on: February 18, 2009, 05:31:38 AM »
i usually avoid floaties but laura was so scrumptious looking i couldn't resist.

like a big,floating kiss! [snow_sick2]

and that bitch nailed me with cures last time so i needed it.

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a young and willowy mia farrow...i am so there!

i've always been curious about this show and look foreward to seeing it.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: The Ranch Poodle Brigade
« on: February 17, 2009, 02:18:05 AM »
Weren't Roxanne and Sebastion Shaw, with their open, 'free love' relationship the epitome of DS's attempts at grooviness, though? 

yes sebastian and roxanne were perhaps the series greatest stab at "grooviness" but boy did it comes across as "square". [snow_rolleyes]

apart from getting barnabas out of the josette quagmire(there are only so many kls characters for him to hit on)roxanne i think was meant to represent a new kind of sweet young thing on the series.with her shag hairdo and maxi-skirts she was definitely a departure from the fall-wearing,mini-skirted ingenues of the 1960's.she was way more 1970's.she was also less virginal and naive than barnabas' previous hook ups.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Dark Shadows False Memory Syndrome
« on: February 12, 2009, 10:24:29 PM »
i almost started a topic like this so i'm glad someone else did.

what i think is funny is when other,less well versed,people "tell" me about the show.

not everyone possesses our encyclopedic knowledge of the series(read:less obsessive)but i have some older coworkers who watched as kids and "tell" me about what they remember from the show...

one fellow "tells" me about the time that the smoke machine ran into overdrive and the actors were choking(never happened),about how barnabas cussed on air(nope),another insists that the town he grew up in in connecticut was where collinwood was(exteriors were filmed in newport,RI)and so forth.

i really don't have the patience to sit and bicker with these guys over such trivialities so i just sort sigh and say nothing. [snow_rolleyes]

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Was DS ever actually shown live?
« on: February 12, 2009, 04:15:25 PM »
it's actually nancy barrett who's the chief proponent of the joan bennett "welcome to hollywood" myth.

she certainly never uttered it on air but,as nancy says in some of the dvd interviews,that perhaps she said it during rehearsal or maybe she's even imagining it.

but it's sort of become d.s. folklore.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: The Ranch Poodle Brigade
« on: February 12, 2009, 04:06:46 PM »
i could not for a moment forget about buzz.it's one of my favorite subplots ever if for no other reason than introducing us to "drunk carolyn" in one of nancy barrett's finest interpretations.

but for me buzz reads more as a late 1950's/early 1960's type of character.i'm thinking more "rebel without a clue" than "easy rider".he's not giving me woodstock but more of a poor man's hell's angel.or at the very least "beatnik".

jeb and bruno seem to me to be more of an(weak)attempt at representing the late 1960's hippie counterculture.the writers got it wrong in so many ways but i think they were attempting to work that type of character into the plot and to come across as more "with it".as with most mainstream television's attempts at "grooviness" at the time it reads as really corny but that's what i'm thinking.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: The Ranch Poodle Brigade
« on: February 11, 2009, 04:44:37 AM »
somehow i knew you'd bring this up gothick... [snow_wink]

as outrageous as the plots were the series was a soap opera(read:sponsored by the manufacturers of housewife friendly products like,well,laundry detergent)and was,even in it's own time,a bit "square".

the male characters tended to be either suited up dandies(barnabas,roger)or blue collar joes(joe haskell,tom jennings).even with his muttonchops quentin was still a jacket-wearing member of an upper class family.

i think that 1970 characters like jeb and bruno were a somewhat late attempt at representing the "counterculture" percolating at the time.jeb was,if i recall,a motorcycle riding photographer.sort of a lame "easy rider" if you will.hence the long hair and shaggy coats.kind of lame but that's my impression of it.