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Current Talk '09 II / Re: the conclusion of the burke devlin plot
« on: December 05, 2009, 04:50:10 AM »
incidentally there is a rather odd episode(i forget which number)immediately after ryan's departure but before anthony george had been cast where there was no time to rewrite the scripts so burke's lines were given to joe haskell and joel crothers played the scene.

it's during the buzz plot and vicki and joe are at the blue whale. it sort of has an odd tone(why is vicki hanging out alone with joe at the blue whale?)until you know the backstory.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: the conclusion of the burke devlin plot
« on: December 05, 2009, 04:42:39 AM »
yes from what i understand ryan's departure was very abrupt.

it certainly wasn't planned on or written into the scripts. it's something of a coincidence that his big storyline was wrapped up shorty before he ended up leaving the series and it ended up going in an entirely different direction with a different actor playing a somewhat repositioned burke.

what's intersting to ponder is that as the show's original lead ryan probably had a long-term contract. had he not left abruptly and been replaced by an actor who only signed on short term the character of burke devlin(and various incarnations for ryan during the time travel storylines)might have been with the series for many more years.

from what i've come to understand before it became clear that barnabas was such a runaway success on the program the original intent was for burke(played by ryan)and doctor woodard to kill him after his thirteen week run. we know how that ended up being played out.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: the conclusion of the burke devlin plot
« on: December 03, 2009, 03:04:41 AM »
from this point onward roger is written as much less of a weasel. by late 1967 he can be referred to as one of the "beloved" stalwart characters as the monster-of-the-week situation begins to take root.

gothick if nothing else this week or so of episode introduces us to one of my favorite(and i'm sure your)day players the lovely MRS. portia fitzsimmons.

i say MRS. because she's quite emphatic about it. she corrects sam a number of times when he mistakenly refers to her as "miss". i'm not sure why the writers made a point of this but it's just one of those amusing throwaway details that make the show such fun.

boy does this (fur clad!)diva make an entrance! she saunters into chez evans like she owns the place. the swagger! the audacity! the nerve!

great fun. [santa_kiss]

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you mean his multitextured performance as mr.wells is not his best known role? [hall2_huh]

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: the conclusion of the burke devlin plot
« on: November 29, 2009, 05:05:29 PM »
i hear what you're saying about burke but i think in terms of writing and plot development this comes across as something of an anticlimax after all the buildup it received.

it was a HUGE storyline and then it's over in half an episode.

again i just think the producers wanted this out of the way so the barnabas storyline could get underway unimpeded with too many dangling plot threads.

i suppose we should be glad that they took the time to wrap this plot up at all considering the show's other big mystery at it's outset...that of victoria's parentage...goes unanswered.

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Current Talk '09 II / the conclusion of the burke devlin plot
« on: November 28, 2009, 06:15:25 PM »
last night i rewatched the episodes that conclude the whole burke devlin revenge against the collins family storyline(around eps. 200).

for the monumental buildup this plot received(it was the program's pivotal conflict for nearly a year)it goes out with more of a whimper than a bang.

after the laura collins storyline this gets hastily wrapped up in just a few episodes.it's almost something of an afterthought.

not only does the plotline as a whole sort of fizzle but it's "big reveal" ends up not even being the pivotal point of the episode(ep. 201).

burke and sam storm collinwood and force roger to admit his guilt in the manslaughter incident but then burke essentially lets roger off the hook and vows never to mention the whole thing ever again.that's sort of it.this action only lasts about the episode's first ten minutes before the emphasis abruptly shifts the the jason mcquire plot and the cast changes.

suddenly jason,david,vicki and carolyn are driving the episode and the huge devlin scene is almost forgotten.it's also somewhat notable that this episode has a rather large number of characters(eight as opposed to the usual five/six).

anyways for all the buildup i'm always struck by how this storyline just sort of flatlines.it's just about a week before the barnabas introduction and my impression of it is that the producers knew that the show was about to be going in a radically different direction and just wanted to wrap this up as quickly as possible so that the characters' emphasis could shift.

from this moment on several characters defining qualities wiill be radically different.

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now THAT'S  a thanksgiving dinner!

best wished to all...hope mrs. johnson doesn't scorch the butterball. [hall2_kiss]

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Willie Loomis
« on: November 26, 2009, 03:03:53 AM »
i alway thought that hall's willie was sort of dirty-sexy to karlen's sad-eyed puppydog cute.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: "David as Phoenix" Fan Fiction
« on: November 26, 2009, 02:59:06 AM »
even after three viewings i'm still confused about david's status as laura's son.

is the woman who gave birth to david the same person who comes back to collinsport to claim him in 1966 or was that the woman who's dead body was found in laura's apartment in pheonix,az.?

it's suggested that they're actually different people.that the laura who lived in collinsport,had a relationship with burke and ended up marrying roger isn't actually the laura who shows up for david during this storyline.dr. guthrie especially feels this way.

i'm also somewhat confused about roger and laura's chronology in collinsport/at collinwood...

when the series begins it's made quite clear that roger and david had only very recently returned to collinwood after living away since david's birth nine years earlier.that at the time of burke's manslaughter trial roger and laura abruptly married and moved away from collinsport.by this logic they had only been back at collinwood about seven/eight months when the storyline began.

during one of laura's periodic inquisitions by the police it's established that she,roger and david had a house in augusta,maine(and a dog named dog!).

however at other times during the storyline(and much more often later in the series)it's implied or outright stated that david had grown up at collinwood and roger had been around forever.

did laura ever live at collinwood before?roger asks her if she had "unpleasant memories" of it and since during this period(and for eightteen years prior)liz never left the place how could she and laura have established such a hostile relationship unless she had been around?

i know one is not supposed to ask such specific questions of this thing but this timeline always baffled me. [hall2_huh]

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Willie Loomis
« on: November 17, 2009, 04:29:02 AM »
yes because the jason mcquire plot was completely removed from the 1991 series they needed to find a way to bring the willie character into collinwood and they achieved that by making him a nephew of mrs.johnson.

in that version he seems to function as something of a composit character of the original series' matthew morgan,harry johnson and willie loomis.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Veteran cousins? / Wars on DS
« on: November 14, 2009, 05:09:17 PM »
Counter-culture?  Don't forget Buzz, Collinsport's very own answer to the Beats, Hell's Angels and Easy Rider:

"If ya feel it ... SIT IT!"

i couldn't for a minute forget about dear buzz but for me he always reads as something of a throwback. more of a late 1950's type of character. a beatnik.

i'm thinking more "rebel without a clue" than "easy rider". [hall2_rolleyes]

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Veteran cousins? / Wars on DS
« on: November 12, 2009, 04:11:53 AM »
one of the things that gives the series it's naive charm it's that it exists as something of a world apart.

there is something of a sense of isolation.of remove.

given the tumultuous years in which it ran it's absence of references to pop cultural or current events it's somewhat remarkable.

while our friends stewed in gothic mystery in collinsport,maine a war raged on.robert kennedy and martin luther king were assassinated.the manson family waged helter skelter.stonewall happened.woodstock came and went a few miles from the studio where the program was filmed without a single nod(could we read into willie loomis's shiftlessness as draft dodging perhaps?).

so it's not surprising vietnam wasn't brought up remotely.the revolutionary was seemed like safe territory and thus was mentioned rather frequently during the 1795 sequence(wasn't the mausoleum built to store ammunitions?).however the topic of slavery must have been touchbutton as i can't recall a single mention of the civil war during the 1897 storyline.

very little of the spirit of the times crept onto the screen.as outrageous as the plots were the group was rather "square".the most "revolutionary" thing happening when carolyn and maggie dropped from minis to maxis in 1970.the closest thing we get to the counterculture generating at the time was christopher pennock's absurd "hippie" characters(a bike riding photographer and an astrologer!)in 1970.

soap operas in general...and particularly forty years ago...remained politically neutral,removed from world affairs and somewhat socially conservative(given their advertisers were primarily manufacturers of housewife friendly products like laundry detergent)and dark shadows perhaps even more so given the outlandishness of the plots.an air of respectability was essential.

but again i think that remove is what lends the series much of it's charm.

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happy halloween!

great pic sara. have fun! [8_1_209]

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Today's NoDS Pic (127)
« on: October 29, 2009, 01:59:43 AM »
good question patti...

however not one i can answer with any certainty.

NODS is "dark shadows" in name but it's otherwise not remotely tied into the series mythology(oh,and the house is called collinwood).

yes there's a "quentin" and an "angelique" but there's also a carlotta,a tracy,a claire and an alex.there's a brief mention of an elizabeth stoddard but neither she nor the rest of the daytime collins family are part of the plot.needless to say neither is barnabas collins.

is the quentin in NODS the same quentin as his daytime counterpart?who knows.the name "quentin" seems to be a generic catchall for a david selby character(that and the muttonchops).he's named that in every single time period whether series continuity backs that up or not.

diana millay plays a character named "laura" here but there's no indication whatsover that she's a pheonix or the same person she played on the series.

so without a barnabas character it's almost impossible to say one way or another whether or not this "sarah" is the same sarah from the program.

is that vague enough for you? [hall2_wink]

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gothick...

you know i'd kill for a "best of clarice blackburn" dvd!

i'm watching the laura collins storyline and her scenes with diana millay are like little treats just for me.they're not pivotal.they don't really push the plot along.they're just little throwaway(mainly mrs. johnson bickering about all the work she has to do)scenes but clarice and diana are such thoroughbreds they totally elevate the material.

i could watch those two recite the phonebook and i'd be riveted.