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Messages - michael c

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0005
« on: July 05, 2011, 03:34:35 AM »
alexandra wore a "fall" in alot of the 1966 episodes and in some, including this one, she looks like she's actually wearing TWO. [ghost_blink]

during the 1795 storyline vicki tells the countess dupres that's she's 22. so she's definitely 20-ish at the time of her arrival in collinsport.

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while i can certainly understand your reservations about the film...i think we all have them to some extent...i must say that your relentless negativity about the project is really bringing the tone of the board down.

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: July 04, 2011, 02:19:26 AM »
[spoiler]vicki's change of sleepwear over the years...from the sensible robe and pajamas seen here to the frilly peignoirs of the barnabas years are indicative of her changing status on the series.

here she's the show's plucky and inquisitive "heroine"...in the nancy drew tradition...but not yet an "ingenue". that comes later.

needless to say that changes with the arrival of barnabas but not quite to the episode. i distinctly noticed a "new" vicki(the one that gets endlessly maligned as "clueless")the night when barnabas...fed up with maggie's defiance...gives vicki josette's music box. she's "enchanted" by it. it's "lovely". and the dreamy peignoir sporting victoria winters is born.[/spoiler]

it will come as no surprise to those here i find her enchanting in this mode but whatevs. [ghost_rolleyes]

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: July 02, 2011, 12:51:49 PM »
[spoiler]the carolyn-running-the-cannery episodes were a subplot of the early 1967 laura collins storyline. when liz is hospitalized in boston carolyn is temporarily put in charge of the house and the business...and boy do some deliciously catty scenes between her and uncle roger come out of this turn of events.

however once liz returns the subject of carolyn's involvement in the business never comes up again. certainly by 1968 ordinary plots like the running of a business are sent into oblivion.[/spoiler]

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: July 01, 2011, 04:59:49 AM »
people used to get married much earlier than they do today...my parents got married in 1964 fresh out of high school(and no they didn't "have to"). so carolyn's talk of marriage isn't that surprising.

still what i'm always struck by here is carolyn's complete lack of direction. a general driftiness that will bring her into ever mounting troubles in the upcoming weeks and months. needless to say there is NEVER any talk of career or job at this point(would this have been considered socially unacceptable for a girl of carolyn's high born status?)but there is also no talk of college, or finishing school, or a trip abroad that would have been de rigueurfor a young lady of social prominence. her mother just lets her loaf around acting petulant.

joe haskell is about as foxy as they come, but this doesn't exactly matter to liz(and apparently little to her daughter either)it would cetainly mean "marrying down" for carolyn but i guess liz just wanted her "happy" and out of the house for some reason.

not until 1970 when [spoiler]she decides to mount an exceptional career swishing a giant feather duster around an antique shop do we see the slightest bit of ambition on carolyn's part that doesn't involve landing some highly unsuitable man.[/spoiler]

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0001
« on: June 30, 2011, 03:48:10 AM »
kls said in one of the books that director lela swift told her to act like a wisecracking "young eve arden" in her earliest episodes(hence she has the sass to call her customer a "jerk").

but maggie really only ends up acting like that for a couple of episodes before she takes on the persona we know and love. and have i mentioned it here before that i LOVE early diner maggie evans? apple-cheeked gossip. spunky and cute.

b.t.w. this eve arden/anne southern type of wisecracking working girl with the proverbial heart of gold was very much a mid-century archetype. by 1966 that attitude was already becoming somewhat dated which is one of the reasons maggie's personality in this episode(to say nothing of the ash blond wig)is sort of jarring.

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: June 29, 2011, 07:54:55 PM »
yes in the early days carolyn's attitude towards her uncle had a distinct "ick" factor.

at it's best i guess that roger was supposed to be cultured and debonair in comparison to the yokels that populated collinsport in general. but still it was weird. [ghost_tongue]

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0001
« on: June 29, 2011, 07:51:05 PM »
in 1897 amanda harris rather derogatorily calls collinsport a "whistle-stop town" meaning it was such a backwater the trains didn't stop there unless signaled to do so...

69 years later apparently it still was. so this begs the question when was collinport's "heyday" so to speak. when was it at it's peak? the eighteenth century?

it's clear that by 1966 it had seen better days as mrs.mitchell makes loud and clear.

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interesting news!

i wasn't aware that any of the original actors other than frid were doing cameos. we haven't heard about casting for mrs. johnson yet...what a coup to get la parker in that part.

i had another thought on the rationale for casting such a young actress in the role of carolyn.
perhaps with green and heathcote on board the producers thought that given the two hour time frame three young woman roles were redundant and having a teenager created some differentiation.

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How so, mscbryk?  They only need the first story of the house as the rest is CGI. 

perhaps more than the set being incomplete i just assumed that collinwood would be the film's main location so i was surprised to hear that filming there was already done.

it's only been a few weeks. [ghost_huh]

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: HAPPY 45TH BIRTHDAY, "DARK SHADOWS"!!
« on: June 28, 2011, 01:57:46 AM »
wonderful!

i can't wait for august. and the movie. this is really an exciting time for our little story.

 [flower] [flower] [flower]

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DONE???

it doesn't even look like the set's been completed. [ghost_huh]

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to digress to the billing situation for a moment...

how well known is bella heathcote(i'd never heard of her before this project)? is she still new enough and unknown enough to get...

                                                           and introducing

                                                           Bella Heathcote
                                                                     as
                                                        VICTORIA WINTERS

???         

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for me the parts that come to mind are first her "femme fatale" roles in fritz lang's 1940's film noirs "the woman in the window" and "scarlett street".

then bennett moved into the middle aged "wife and mother" phase of her career in the 1950's notably playing elizabeth taylor's mother in the "father of the bride" series with spencer tracy.

by the 1960's like most actresses of hollywood's "golden age" film work was hard to come by and television made a home for them. here of course joan signed on to DS.

interesting that the horror movie genre also welcomed there actresses in their later years(take a look at bette davis and joan crawford)and through that and perhaps her association with DS bennett ended up in "suspiria" in the 1970's. that film is certainly a favorite of mine.

those are the films that come to mind.
as much as "we" love bennett she never had quite the career of some of her contemporaries in terms of classic film roles and oscar winning performances. in the hierarchy of those "golden age" stars(davis, crawford, hepburn, stanwyke, etc.)joan is something of a secondary player.

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given the perimeters of a two hourish movie i'm not surprised to hear that certain changes have been made in the name of expediency.

having angelique already well established in collinsport...rather than being conjured up...is a nontraditional choice but certainly more time-effecient.

and it sounds like victoria, julia and willie are already ensconced at collinwood rather than doing lengthy introductions into their presence there. from the looks of it it doesn't seem like we'll be getting the traditional bit with vicki arriving by train(along with her opening voiceover). the thought of liz renting out a room to dr.hoffman(is liz broke?)is sort of a hoot. maybe it would be fun if julia was being put up in the caretakers cottage or carriage house. we haven't heard about mrs. johnson yet but it seems like this willie loomis will be something of the composite character of the original series' loomis, matthew morgan and harry johnson we got in the 1991 program.