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yes i'm trying not to get too caught up in the "it's nots" but it would be disappointing if the main theme(and a few other key musical cues)were not used. [hall_sad]

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sometimes i sort of think i've got this thing figured out...

then we get some new piece of information, photograph or i'm reminded of something.

i had sort of forgotten about the pictures we saw a few months ago of bella as vicki escaping from some very ominous looking structure. but what is it???

windliff? angelique's place? the old house? there's no precedent in previous tellings of vicki engaged in this type of escape. i can't place it in my perceived overview of the film's plot.

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i had never even heard of moretz before this film started production...

but she certainly is getting ALOT of ink. i mean carolyn is a supporting character, not one of the "leads", yet she's getting much more publicity than anyone besides depp. is her agent just a total spinmiester?

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lots of "workers" and "workmen" in the film but i guess the spoilers hinted as to why.

as pleased as i am to hear how well "developed" and "fleshed out" the large cast of characters will be here i'm still wondering how developed given the perimeters of a two hour film that will focus largely on barnabas.

definitely not the cameo type of appearances we got in HODS but still. [hall_undecided]

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thanks...

i didn't realize HODS was part of the package.

i own NODS on vhs but have only seen HODS once on t.v. a long time ago. whenever they show it at the festival it's always too late so i look forward to getting it.

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and you just KNEW that KLS would do a book tied into the film's production.

she'll definitely have something new to hawk at next year's festival. i'm certainly looking forward to it.

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i'm still confused as to why NODS is being restored and released before HODS.

especially if it's somehow tied into the release of the film as NODS has absolutely nothing to do with barnabas or anything else happening in the film. NODS has it's charms but with the exception of a character named "quentin" and a house called "collinwood" it could almost be any early 1970's gothic horror film.

it in no way ties into series cannon which it seems like the film is trying to do. anyone who sees the film and then gets a movie populated by characters named "claire" and "tracy"(read:no barnabas)is going to be very confused.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0075
« on: October 16, 2011, 04:30:00 PM »
and if i recall she's wearing her hair in PIGTAILS of all things which she never actually wore in the series itself.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0075
« on: October 16, 2011, 03:56:08 PM »
they only filmed the exteriors a couple of times so usually vicki's clothing and hairdo in the episode itself doesn't coordinate with the exterior shot...

still you'd think that in the name of continuity if the producers knew that they were going to use one of the shots in a particular episode they'd ask hair and wardrobe to outfit her the same.

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the haunting of collinwood and 1897 although connected are two totally different storylines with different casts of characters. still one doesn't really make sense without the other.

and 1897 was so colossal and unwieldy i'm not sure it could ever be worked into a two hour timeframe.

but if a sequel does end up being produced and it features quentin i think we can count depp out. he doesn't strike me as the kind of actor who'd sign up to play second banana to another male lead.

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I personally believe they made Carolyn younger is if the series becomes a franchise then then they can use storylines as she grows up.

i also think that one of the reasons they decided to make carolyn a much younger character is to differentiate her more from vicki. given the perimeters of a two hour movie there's not really enough material to support two characters as close in age as vicki and carolyn were in the television series'. so by creating this age gap they can be more delineated characters. probably for this same reason maggie evans is not on the canvas at all.

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digressing a bit to the film's production costs today 'perez hilton' listed hollywood's ten figure earners...

guess who topped the list? although exact numbers were not given out let's assume depp takes home 15-20 million per movie. that alone would eat up over half the film's total budget if the 35 million dollar figure were accurate. i'll bet pfieffer is closing in on 10 mil or so as well.

so the total production costs here have got to be pretty stratospheric.

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whether or not this ends up being a single-installment film or a series i guess isn't really what i was trying to say...

just that fandom, as opposed to a hit film or film series, are sort of different animals entirely.

there are lots of very successful films and film series that do not inspire fandoms. most in fact. so no matter how well this does it might not translate into it's own fandom. "we" will absorb it into the DS universe but it might not get it's own self-contained following.

does that make sense? [hall2_undecided]

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interesting question...

however there is a vast difference between a film being a huge, even colossal "hit"(which depp/burton collaborations tend to be)and fandom.

most single installment films, as opposed to series or trilogies, do not inspire highly devotional fanbases and message boards and yearly conventions no matter how "successful" they are. it's a different level of passion and commitment. and as of now this is just a single installment film. we've heard nothing to imply sequels other than fan speculation.

and even if one enjoys this film tremendously it will take an entirely different level of commitment to sit down and follow a 1200+ episode serialized program. there might not be as much crossover as we think.

so even if the board does receive a flood of new members in the film's immediate aftermath the sort of daily touchstone many of us use it as might not happen.

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i haven't checked the IMDb listing in awhile...

strange that the mrs.johnson casting is not listed since the actress/character was in the "official" cast photograph in EW. i gather it's a very small part but then i'm sure so is "dock worker" or "slow dancer" or any of the other bit parts listed.

also not a peep about that rumored megan fox appearance either. was that just a complete fabrication?

frid, selby, scott and parker's characters are not identified in any way. this sort of gives futher credence to the idea that they will just be members of a crowd scene.