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Calendar Events / Announcements '17 I / Re: Ben Martin Passes Away
« on: February 19, 2017, 12:44:54 AM »
i also read her post...

outside a few "official" photography sessions i believe most of the candid and behind-the-scenes photos done on and around the DS set were shot by Martin. in that his contribution to the history and continuation of the whole thing has been huge. without it we'd just have the few publicity stills ABC had done.
RIP

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: Exteriors
« on: February 17, 2017, 01:28:50 AM »
in the "present day" timeline we saw...

the foyer, the drawing room, the study, the kitchen/breakfast room, bedrooms for (at various times) vicki/maggie, liz, carolyn, david, roger, julia. willie. jason, amy, hallie and an attic room for quentin. and some no-doubt dumpy (unseen) servant's room for mrs. j.

of course there were countless assorted and sundry closed-off basement and attic rooms as well (and not counting the rooms in the other time periods/alternate time bands). so that does make about 15 rooms actively used during the series run.

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: Exteriors
« on: February 14, 2017, 03:36:47 AM »
the writers made sure from the jump that there were "reasons" why most of the house was closed off (reclusive matriarch. straitened circumstances. buried secrets)...


but there was considerable practical consideration in play as well (tiny set. low production values). but making it part of the story kept viewer questions as to why only 5 or 6 rooms of such an immense mansion were being seen at a minimum.

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: Exteriors
« on: February 11, 2017, 12:29:29 PM »
needless to say the size of Collinwood is completely out of scale with anything built in this country in the 18th century. it looked like what it was: a mansion put up by the nouveau riche robber barons of the late 19th century.

in the brief segment set in the 1600s the notion of a house of this scale being plunked down in the middle of the colonial wilds was even more ludicrous.

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i saw the cast reunion on ET the other night and the Netflix rumor is, at this point, very, very speculative. it was thrown out almost as a joke. although ALR obviously has more inside information than us.


reassembling these casts would be a herculean undertaking. i still watch B&B daily and hope it works out. but i have a lot of doubts.

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the book generally garners raves on the FB DS pages. i think a lot of fans are so desperate for any new franchise output they lap it up no matter how lousy.  [snow_sick2]

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and i'm not sure how "camp" is supposed to play out on the written page...

what made DS so allegedly "campy" was the broadness of the performances, the dinky productions values, the cheapness of the sets, the primitive special effects, the dated fashions and so forth.

none of that really translates into a written story. it was all about the visuals.

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the book has absolutely no value as a stand alone story. i can't imagine why anyone unfamiliar with the series would bother to read it. it only "works"...and i use the word works very loosely...as a tie in to the original story.


in terms of "tying up loose plot threads" nothing could be further from the truth. it introduces so much new plot, and goes so far outside OS continuity, it ends up leaving more questions than answers.

[spoiler]i suppose the predictable "resolution" that Liz was Vicki's mother could be looked at as "closure" but even the way that played out made no sense.[/spoiler]

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 II / Re: Heiress of Condowood
« on: January 09, 2017, 04:10:33 AM »
yes in TSB it's pretty much business as usual chez Collins circa 1971. the gang was all there.

amazingly HOC doesn't make a single reference to Julia. not one. was she dispatched with in the other books?


and apparently Collinsport, Maine was crawling with Angelique incarnations assorted and sundry in the early 1970s. you couldn't walk out the door without bumping into one. which makes absolutely no sense.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 II / Re: Heiress of Condowood
« on: January 08, 2017, 12:35:47 PM »
actually the "Angelique" equivalent is a completely different character in both books.

so she's clearly not bothering to follow her own canon.  [snow_shocked]

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 II / Re: Heiress of Condowood
« on: January 08, 2017, 12:30:59 PM »
backpeddling a bit as to whether or not Parker even follows her own canon from book to book i'll have to say NO...


the only other one i read was TSB and i pulled it out for a quick cross reference. it's set in 1971 and without completely rereading it it doesn't seem to mesh at all with what's happening in HOC which takes place a year later. it's basic setup was closer to what would have actually been happening with OS continuity. HOC might as well take place on another planet it's so far off base.

again a year passes between the two. so i suppose Parker gave herself a bit of "wiggle room". but the framework of the story seems completely different.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 II / Re: Heiress of Collinwood
« on: January 01, 2017, 08:13:57 PM »
i did not read her last work the Quentin-themed 'Wolf Moon Rising' but it would seem that 'HTC' has perhaps at least followed her own continuity in one regard...


[spoiler]here the big "revelation" was that Vicki is the illegitimate offspring of the rather yucky Elizabeth/Quentin relationship told in that variation on the tale. gross, and it makes absolutely no sense in terms of OS canon but i believe it links these two stories on that point.  [/spoiler]

like i said i didn't read it but i believe it connects the two books at least on that. it would seem Parker's making a rather clumsy attempt to create some sort of larger "mythology" linking the characters "across the centuries". but it's a misfire.  [santa_rolleyes]

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 II / Re: Heiress of Collinwood
« on: January 01, 2017, 11:51:12 AM »
what name did she use i forget? i just recall the Maggie equivalent was called "Katie" which felt like an inside joke.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 II / Re: Heiress of Collinwood
« on: December 31, 2016, 07:54:25 PM »
i also enjoyed HH. and although she did take the story in it's own direction she got the foundation spot on. which made it fully understandable.

i could "feel' Willie and Jason on the page. Parker's characters leave me mystified.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '16 II / Re: Heiress of Collinwood
« on: December 31, 2016, 07:14:16 PM »
speaking of Maggie for reasons not made clear she is still a waitress at the Collinsport diner in 1972...


and Vicki inquires as to the well being of her father and learns Sam died "two years earlier". when, of course, Vicki knew exactly when and how Sam died and was intimately involved in his death.

the hits just keep on coming!  [santa_shocked]