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Wonderful comments as always, Luciaphil.  I haven't watched these shows in several years, so I won't add any of my own comments--the memories are far too vague.

I'd be surprised if Ben Stokes were ever intended as a John Karlen role.  In the 1970s fan gathering interview Nancy so kindly posted, Karlen mentioned that DC had plans for a big story arc involving Willie in '67 when Karlen had to opt out of the series due to another commitment (not at all sure what that was).

He was presumably brought back in 1968 due to deluges of fan mail demanding the return of Willie.  I can't think of anything else that would make DC interested in having him come back. It's interesting how closely they read the fan mail back in those days, given that today's TV shows seem to completely ignore fannish reactions.   Don Briscoe was brought back as a regular due to the fan mail response.  I have even heard one fan who was around in the old days recalling a fan picket line demanding the return of the actor to the series back in 1968!

Gothick

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Grayson Hall and Gay Men
« on: April 15, 2002, 08:44:59 PM »
Brian,  This must be Shelly Burch, right?  There's an interview tape (actually somebody just tape recording Grayson having lunch with a group of fans and just chatting away about every topic under the sun) which was made on August 31, 1982, where Grayson talks at great length about her work on OLTL.  She mentions about Shelly Burch coming to work as her daughter Delilah and cracks, "Euphemia and Delilah ... we're quite a family!"  She describes Shelly as GORGEOUS and mentions, I believe, that she had been in the musical version of 8 1/2 (entitled 9, if memory serves) and was still sort of figuring things out as an actress.  Good to hear that Shelly has such good memories of working with Grayson.  

Thanks again for sharing this,

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: And Then There's Maude!  Right-On Maude!
« on: April 15, 2002, 08:36:08 PM »
John and Luciaphil, have to agree with both of you about the subtext between Nathan and Noah.  I'm sure for Nathan it was just shipboard convenience, but for Noah, it was SO MUCH MORE.

Luciaphil, who was it who commented about life in the British Navy in the 18th century being a farrago of "rum, sodomy, and the lash"?  I've heard from friends who served aboard ship back in the Fifties or the Sixties that the sodomy component was still very much a part of shipboard life.  This guy I met at an Open Pagan Forum recently described a ship he served on that was rife with male witches (whom he described as "Satanists") who would prowl the decks in long flowing capes with big silver pentacle medallions.  Sounds like an episode of DS, doesn't it!

Gothick

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Don Juan
« on: April 15, 2002, 08:22:04 PM »
Chris Jennings wins hands down in my book.  Tom's scenes with Julia are a real treat--it's marvelous to see something so theatrical and Gothic on a live-on-tape TV show.  And you can tell that Grayson and Don had good chemistry together.  

But with Chris, Don really got to inhabit the skin of somebody more three dimensional, and I think he improved a lot as an actor working on Chris.  He goes from being somewhat stiff and posture-y to being much more fluid and in-the-moment over the months in which he played Chris.

He did excellent work as Tim Shaw, too, a character much less likeable than Chris (though he had just cause for being cynical and embittered).

Chris Collins only had a few scenes, but Don did a beautiful job with the role.  His scenes with Chris Pennock's Dr. Cyrus Longworth are particularly well-layered and subtle.

Great topic, VAM!

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: I am addicted to this board!!!
« on: April 12, 2002, 10:18:15 PM »
Jon, judging from the fact that your post has already been read 40 times when it's barely an hour old, I'd say you're in good company!

I hope you continue to enjoy DS.  Have you seen the entire series before?  Curious whether you have a favorite storyline.  I started watching in June 1968 and my favorite storyline is still the 1968 story, especially involving Cassandra, Nicholas, Tom and Chris Jennings, etc.  My next favorite is the Leviathans, especially the early weeks when "Detective Julia Hoffman investigates"!

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: And Then There's Maude!  Right-On Maude!
« on: April 12, 2002, 10:12:13 PM »
Loved the title of this topic, Gerard!  Gosh, I miss that show.  Remember those ankle length vests she used to wear?  That show really was a hoot.

Collinsport was a seaport, crammed to the gills with seamen (I assure you I am typing this with as close to a straight face as I *ever* get)!  I just wish they had shown some lean, mean hungry saiilors prowling the "Eagle" in their tight white uniform.  Yeah, some unshaven, growling sailors--that's what the show needed!

Fleet's in!  Gothick

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Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: Thayer David in Nero Wolf
« on: April 12, 2002, 10:08:22 PM »
Hi Donna,
Sorry to say, this Nero Wolfe series is a continuation of a more recent one, featuring Canadian character actor Maury Chaykin in the lead role of Nero Wolfe (which Thayer David played in the 1978 telefilm).

There is kind of a "semi" DS connection with this series because the role of Nero Wolfe's French chef is played by another great Canadian actor, Colin Fox.  If any of you out there remember "Canada's answer to Dark Shadows," a show called Strange Paradise, Colin Fox played the lead dual role of Jean-Paul Desmond, "richests man in the world," and his evil ancestor, Jacques-Eloi des Mondes.  Colin's role on Wolfe is well worth checking out--some marvelously deft touches of comedy.  Otherwise, I don't find the series terribly inspiring, I am afraid.

There are these websites, I think one of them is called "TVMinder," where you can type in the title of a movie and they will notify you if it is going to be broadcast.  Of course you'll get notified every week about the A & E series since it is the same title. It would be great if the Thayer David Wolfe film were shown by one of the channels.

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: How Much Longer???
« on: April 12, 2002, 05:32:50 PM »
Sorry to alarm you unduly, Miles.  What I find REALLY boring are those endless scenes between Peter and Vicki.  They go on till the end of the 1795 storyline. And I'm afraid we haven't seen the last of Peter Bradford, once that is over.

Don't want to spoil the story for you, just warn you of further hair-clutching to come.

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Grayson Hall and Gay Men
« on: April 12, 2002, 05:26:47 PM »
I shudder to think what would have happened to the Collins family if Julia Hoffman had not come into their lives!

I mean, you have to admit that she earned every penny of her "rent" on that room they gave her.  Just start counting all the free "sedatives" she handed out plus the endless hours (ever see that ABC Movie of the Week, "The 36 hours of Dr Julia Hoffman"?) ... you'll see why Liz loved having her live on the premises!

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Tapes Or DVD?
« on: April 12, 2002, 05:22:37 PM »
Sci Fi cutting DS episodes isn't just speculation; I've read very well documented statements about this from fans who watch the Sci Fi channel broadcasts AND own the MPI videos. The most extreme case that comes to mind is an episode in the 1969 Leviathan storyline where Sci Fi cut out the entire teaser act, including the beginning voiceover.  

There was another episode where I recall several complaints because they went to a commercial literally in the middle of a scene.

And then there is that ANNOYING logo they insist in putting in the corner!

So, while I'm glad they are running the show (since it helps people who have never seen it get to find out about it), for myself, I have to have my tapes!  I'm so pleased because after years of having them stored in boxes, I got some new shelves and put all of them up in order!  I positively glow with pride every time I go to the shelf to grab a tape.

Another crazed fan,

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Tapes Or DVD?
« on: April 11, 2002, 11:22:52 PM »
Well, Gambit (sorry, I love that name--ever watch The New Avengers from the 70s??),

There's the rub--it is hard to say how quickly MPI will release further DVD sets after the first one.  One would think monthly, but it is unwise to assume anything about MPI's schedule.

I'm sure, however, that if they release the 1966/67 pre Barnabas episodes on DVD, it won't be until AFTER they have finished the rest of the series from Barnabas onward.  When they first started issuing the series on VHS, it was not at all clear that they would do the whole thing; they were looking at sales figures, or so I have been told.  They may wait to see what the figures are like for sales on the first DVD set before they make a decision about continuing.

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: they call me.......reverend TRASK!
« on: April 11, 2002, 11:01:42 PM »
HOORAY for HENRY!!!

It's great to see you back!  And boy, do I ever agree with you about Rev Trask and THAT EYELINER!!!  I particularly love this episode where Nathan visits the Rev in his rooms to have a chat and I could swear Trask keeps looking at the good lieut's manhood!  I'm sure I'm just IMAGINING things ... THINGS ... THINGS WITH A LIFE OF THEIR OWN ...

Can't wait to see your post on the Hunk-o-meter!

Setting browser to "cruise" control,

Gothick

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Tapes Or DVD?
« on: April 11, 2002, 10:56:30 PM »
Well spoken, Luciaphil!  I have a few friends who are absolutely ga-ga over DVDs.  While I enjoy going over to their homes for DVD parties, I also have no intention of blowing the cash on yet another gizmo at this stage of the game.

Gambit, if you don't already have the MPI tapes, one thing that might make you want to hold out for DVDs (especially if you enjoy that format more than VHS) is that there are scheduled to be some "extras," at least with the first set of discs.  Also, supposedly MPI has paid for new prints to be made for the DVDs--I'll believe it when/if I see it!!

Happy viewing,

Gothick

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Professor Thayer David
« on: April 11, 2002, 06:54:55 PM »
Thanks for sharing that wonderful photo, Midnite, and thanks to Nancy, too, for finding it and sharing it!  and I suppose ultimate thanks has to go to Jonathan Frid, not just for being so generous, but for still entertaining us with his amazing performances!  

Some facts that have been posted many times about Thayer David ... this is just off the cuff, in case some of the new fans want to know more about this amazing gentleman...

Thayer David was born David Thayer Hersey in 1927 in Medford, Mass., a suburb of Boston (actually the town right next over from where I've lived--I've checked the Herseys still living in the area in the phone book and thought more than once of calling around to see if any of them are relatives--he had a sister, I believe).  

The family owned a paper mill and were well enough off to be upper class if not quite rich.

He attended Harvard University and was in the same circles as Edward Gorey and Frank O'Hara (a distinguised poet who was also a curator at the Museum of Modern Art).  O'Hara wrote a poem in honor of Thayer's performance in the role of Prospero in the Tempest (look up David Hersey in the index of O'Hara's Collected Poems).

Thayer was one of the founders of the Brattle Theatre in Cambridge.  It lives on as a repertory film theatre with the occasional concert or performance.

His first film role listed on IMDB was in 1957's Baby Face Nelson.  He achieved somewhat better exposure in Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959) and The Story of Ruth (1960).  He did a lot of theatre on and off Broadway in the Fifties and Sixties.  He worked with Louis Edmonds in Cat-stick in '61 (starring the remarkable Patricia Jessel) and with Grayson Hall in the spectacular 1966 flop Those that play the Clowns.

After DS, he was one of the busiest actors in the industry, constantly shuttling between the 2 coasts doing film, television and theatre.  Shortly before he passed away from a heart attack he did a feature-length pilot film for a new Nero Wolfe series which presented one of his best performances.  I really do hope this is released on home video some day.  He looks fabulous in it ... believe it or not, fresh and healthy!  

Hope you all continue to enjoy his performances on Dark Shadows.

Steve

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Second Episode, April 11
« on: April 11, 2002, 06:35:32 PM »
Tanis, Love your handle btw ... I love all things Egyptian!

The black and white film versions of the DS episodes where the color master tape was missing in the archives continue until 1970 (the "Parallel Time" storyline).  The episodes they are currently showing were originally broadcast in Feb. or March of 1968 so you will keep seeing these for awhile.

Don't you know that little elves live all over the Collins estate and keep those candles burning all over unoccupied buildings of the estate?  They are clever little creatures and even manage to get into all the secret rooms and boltholes with which the property is dotted.

Steve

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