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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 31, 2018, 05:05:41 AM »
Wow Wow Wow!  This one is awesome, though it takes awhile for them to get organized for the performance.

Jonathan and Lara reciting Poe's magnificently strange poem,"The Bells," at some DS event:

https://archive.org/details/09FridWithLaraParkerTheBellsByPoe

Doctor and K-9, is this from one of your recordings?

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 31, 2018, 04:13:09 AM »
I am listening to the Manhattan Shadows tape with Jonathan, Joel Crothers and Addison Powell. Some nuggets:

Joel expressed great fondness for the fans, and appreciated how loyal they had been to him through the years. They made him feel like "a star."

Jonathan said he thought John Karlen was one of the sweetest people he ever worked with, and said he wished he could see Karlen more often than when he went out to LA for an event called ShadowCon. He also said that Lara was good for him when they worked together because she goaded him to be better. He commented on having viewed an episode where they had a tempestuous scene together and he thought it was one of the best ones they did: "She turned me on, I turned her on..." (I think he meant "turned on" in the sense of galvanizing one another as actors.)

Addison Powell, when a fan finally asked him a question, commented about Dr Lang in the lab:  "I'm not a gadget person." (One of my favorite comments in the entire interview--old-timers will know what I mean.)

It was also interesting to hear Joel talk about working on TORCH SONG TRILOGY with Harvey Fierstein. One of the fans asked him about it--she'd been to see him in it.

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 30, 2018, 06:56:58 PM »
In the 1983 tape, Ron says he found the name Barnabas in "an old whaling book." I remember reading in the first KLS book (published around '86) that Bob Costello found the name on an old tombstone. Who knows, maybe they both saw the name, and it came up when they were having the script conference and that was what they settled upon.

It's certainly a name that packed a punch!

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 30, 2018, 03:42:57 AM »
Thanks for sharing these, Doctor and K-9! I am just listening to Ron's talk again, with better headphones, so I can hear more.

He confirms twice that Vicki was intended to be revealed as Elizabeth's illegitimate daughter. So, this genuinely does seem to have been part of the original plan for the show.

He also says that he knew Jonathan Frid as a friend before the latter ever started on the show (he calls him "John," which was apparently how Frid was known to his friends), and they discussed the character of Barnabas when Frid was cast. Dan really wanted Barnabas to be "pure evil," but all the writers argued that that would not be sustainable in a serial format. Frid suggested writing it so that he had opportunities to SUGGEST evil through expression and delivery, and Ron gives credit to him for that suggestion.

Ron mentions running into Dan after hoDS came out and Dan told him, "I FINALLY got to do Barnabas the way I wanted in the movie!"

This is fascinating to hear because Ron Sproat offers so much more nuance and detail than I'm used to hearing from people who were interviewed subsequently about the show. Perhaps because in 1983, it was relatively recent, and Ron mentions having watched some of the old episodes when they were being syndicated out again.

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 29, 2018, 11:49:26 PM »
Ron also mentions that Joel Crothers got sick of playing Joe Haskell and begged to be allowed to play a villain. Interesting because that's what Alexandra wanted to do, as well. Ron also said that everyone liked John Karlen so much that after Willie was written out of the story, they put it on their list of things to do to find a way to get Karlen back.

For those who get to the very end of the tape, there's a surprise. That's all I will say for now. (It doesn't involve Grayson, though--I wouldn't be able to get such a momentous event under my hat!)

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 29, 2018, 07:31:21 PM »
Cool, MB. Perhaps you will uncover some nuggets I missed.

I advise turning the volume up as high as it will go, and listening using actual headphones, not earbuds. It's a very low level recording.

There's actually one point where a fan asks about the abandoned Betty Hanscombe storyline and Ron just says the story was changed. Remarkable given that in 1983, nobody had seen those episodes since 1966.

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 29, 2018, 06:06:58 PM »
Interesting to learn that Alexandra Moltke's husband had to arrive at the studio with a court order, in order for Alex to be released from her work on the show. I'd always wondered if she'd just left one day and telephoned to tell the front office she wasn't coming back.

Ron does say here that it was a conflict with Dan that led to his own departure from the writing staff.

This is a fascinating tape. Thank you again, Doctor and K-9, for sharing it!

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 29, 2018, 03:40:19 PM »
Thanks, Doctor and K9!

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?
« on: March 28, 2018, 10:21:02 PM »
Regarding the professional use of "cover dates," see the section on comic books here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_date

Interesting that the practice goes way back to the 1930s. And of course, Marvel has abandoned it altogether. Just to be different, no doubt.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?
« on: March 28, 2018, 10:14:48 PM »
Dear God! *clutches throat dramatically, gasps, takes DEEP intake of breath*

Just when I thought it was SAFE to go back online!

Clutching newel-post,

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?
« on: March 28, 2018, 09:00:26 PM »
Aren't comic books routinely post-dated? It seems to be a thing within the business, and I think that's been the case for many decades.

Thank you again for all your work on this project. It was interesting to have such a detailed look at this comic book.

Best, G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '18 / Afghan sighting
« on: March 28, 2018, 04:05:29 PM »
I am not and have never been a "Roseanne" fan, but the headline on this article got me to read a bit about her show's revival.

If you scroll down to the photograph of Laurie Metcalfe (an actress who was on the old show and has been brought back for the revival), you'll see what appears to be one of the surviving cast members from DS on the sofa:

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/27/17165928/roseanne-review-revival-abc-trump

Best, G.

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Interesting concept. I did not care at all for the excerpt, however.

The most interesting Dracula pastiche I have read in recent years was in French, and began with the proposition that the SECRET journals of Jonathan Harker revealed the true story of the Count as the eternally rampant High Priest of a gay vampire cult. It was outrageous, but great fun, and told with great vigor.

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Re: Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 26, 2018, 05:54:52 PM »
Danny Horn quotes from a Ron Sproat interview here where Ron focuses more on his conflict with Sam Hall. But if you read through it, the conflict emerged because of Dan's insistence on more thrills being piled on throughout each episode.

https://darkshadowseveryday.com/2015/03/09/episode-601/

Ron doesn't say anything here about having created Barnabas--it would be interesting to know where he made that claim.

G.

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Current Talk '18 / Ron Sproat and Barnabas
« on: March 26, 2018, 05:48:16 PM »
Dear fans,

Last night, I watched a couple of episodes of Strange Paradise written by Ron Sproat in 1970 after he had left DS.  I think the one I saw last night may have been the last script he wrote for Paradise--it was a well written script but had a huge continuity gaffe, I think because the show had no script editor (which was, I believe, also a problem on DS).

Anyhow I looked at Sproat's Wikipedia entry hoping to see which soap he went on to write for after he finished up at Paradise. A foolish place to check, as there was no attempt to provide any detailed chronology for his career. Though they did mention Love of Life, which also became a home for Paradise veteran Tudi Wiggins (an excellent actress nobody really remembers any longer). We are told (footnoting an article by Ann Wilson in one of the PomPress books) that Ron left DS in January of 1969. In another source, he stated that he departed due to conflicts with boss Dan Curtis.

The big surprise in the entry provided for the online encyclopaedia was the bald statement that Sproat "created the vampire character Barnabas Collins."

I am trying to remember now just HOW MANY of the writers--or other personnel--at DS have claimed, or been said, to have created Barnabas. I remember in one of the books Bob Costello said he came up with that name, but so did Art Wallace in an interview somewhere. A year or two ago we had articles posted here where Malcolm Marmorstein said he did the work of actually creating the personality of Barnabas, eternally craving to be reunited with his lost Josette (a character who originally had a completely different backstory on the show).

I wonder if Joe Caldwell (who may have been the best writer of them all until Violet Welles stepped onboard) has claimed to have created Barnabas somewhere??

Regardless of who did the work, I think only Dan Curtis actually made any real money off the character.

cheers, G.

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