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Current Talk '07 I / Re: 1991
« on: February 23, 2007, 04:48:11 PM »
I personally blame the writers and directors for a lot of the clumsiness, one-note performances and odd (or, in some cases TOTALLY LACKING) transitions in the 1991 series.  From what I can recall of the circumstances of the time (I was actually living in China when it was being produced and broadcast so this is all very second-hand), I suspect that the real villains were some of the NBC network supremos--"the suits"--who, I seem to have heard, kept interfering and micro-managing.  I know I read somewhere that they were the ones who demanded that during the 1790 story, they keep switching back to show what was going on in 1991.  That leaves even less time to work out an already crowded & compressed storyline for 1790.

Just to cite a specific example--I just re-watched episode 6 and there's a scene at the beginning of the show between Willie and Carolyn that is a re-staging of a scene originally played in the film, house of Dark Shadows.  In the 1991 version, neither actor appears to have been directed, and Barbara Blackburn, who plays Carolyn, doesn't seem to be doing anything at all--literally sleepwalking through the scene.  And not in a way that relates to what is supposed to be happening.

At the end of this episode, I find it clumsy, poorly paced and a complete mood-breaker when Joseph Gordon-Leavitt as David comes into the room and makes his little announcement.  That scene desperately needed a rewrite but, as seems to have often been the case, they probably ran out of time.

I know that the actors cast in the series were an exceptionally talented group.  I have seen Lysette Anthony in other work produced in England and know she has chops.  I really feel sorry for her at the embarrassing antics she had to put on as Angelique--it's really at the level of cheap panto.  But at least, from what I can recall from an interview I saw from her at the time, she had fun doing it.

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Nathan Forbes "distracting" pants
« on: February 23, 2007, 04:39:01 PM »
I, personally, thought that the original "Bad Lieutenant's" trousers were a most refined showcase for his glorious body, including his truly luscious Manhood.  *sigh*

I have to admit I am tee-heeing over the thought of the nice old lady scowling and muttering "That man's pants are VULGAR."

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Elizabeth the beautiful...
« on: February 22, 2007, 11:35:23 PM »
Yeah, in those first shows, there's kind of a Miss Havishamesque quality to the fact that Liz, who has not left the house in 18 years, is dressed as if to attend Bobby Darin's big concert in the Rainbow Room at Caesar's Palace.

It's too bad we didn't get to see, oh, say, Liz grilling frankfurters at the stove in full tiara 'do, drop earrings, stunning cocktail gown and high heels, glaring with a coldly imperious look in her eyes as she turns the recalcitrant franks.

ROGER:  Liz, why do the hot dogs have to ALWAYS be well done?

LIZ:  Because I CHOOSE to cook them so!

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Dear Dead Abigail
« on: February 22, 2007, 11:16:13 PM »
Of course, the scene where Barbara Blackburn as Carolyn was [spoiler]eagerly pawing Ben Cross' exposed chest as Barnabas prepares to chow down didn't exactly having me leaving the theatre to grab some more popcorn in the lobby.  LOL![/spoiler]

*wink*

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Dear Dead Abigail
« on: February 22, 2007, 11:09:36 PM »
I am revisiting the 1991 series mainly to enjoy Barbara Steele's performance again.  IMNSHO by far the best bits of that show are Steele's scenes with Ben Cross.  Between them they packed *a lot* of subtext into a show that was otherwise poorly scripted and directed.

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Dear Dead Abigail
« on: February 22, 2007, 10:31:03 PM »
Is there anyone else there who had to swallow a MIGHTY guffaw at Trask's line about the late Abigail's putatively "kind and gentle face" in ep. 433 (showcased in today's slide show)?  I think I actually let loose a SHRIEK when that snippet of dialogue first passed my eardrums when I finally got around to seeing this part of the show back in the Nineties.

Abigail was one of Clarice Blackburn's most Triumphant creations.  Sheer Heaven for those of us who are fans of character acting.  I adore Minerva, too, but she doesn't get as much notice from fans.  I loved Clarice's humanity in illuminating [spoiler]Minerva's despair when she comes to Collinwood to drop off a jar of preserves and realizes that "dear Gregory" is now courting Judith.  There was a lot of jealousy and bitterness in that scene, but she extracted this unwritten, barely expressed bit of sorrow and loneliness that gave the scene an extra edge.[/spoiler]

Clarice is another one who should have been awarded an honorary Daytime Emmy for her work on the series.

OTOH, the way the scene of [spoiler]Abigail's death was played in the 1991 series STILL has me giggling.  I've been revisiting that show and am looking forward to that episode. Seems to me they crammed about 3 weeks of story into ten minutes or so of air time!  LOL![/spoiler]

G.


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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0239
« on: February 22, 2007, 09:54:42 PM »
This is by and large a pointless observation, but I'll make it anyhow.

In the original 1967 storyline, Barnabas' great love for Josette was [spoiler]finally revealed to be a complete will-o-the-wisp.  In a conversation between Julia and Barnabas in an October '67 episode, Julia ALMOST gets Barnabas to admit that Josette never really did return his love.  He certainly gets very annoyed with her "poking and prying."  It's implied that the only love Barnabas really knew as a human was from Sarah.  Remember how, when he was with Miss Winters in the Old House during his initial arrival, he laughs bitterly at the notion of there ever having been any "love" in that house.

All this implies that Barnabas' original story was much more tragic--and emotionally twisted--than the romantic narrative eventually revealed in the 1795 storyline.  Of course, the original story would have been a lot less satisfying, emotionally, for the audience, had they kept to it for Vicki's time travel back to the past.

Montague Summers reports a number of versions of the folk tradition that a suicide may return as a vampire, as a nosferatu, and I wonder whether Art Wallace had intended this as the original backstory to Barnabas' existence as one of the living dead.[/spoiler]

G.

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I thought Virginia was a truly phenomenal actress.  Her performance as Samantha never fails to Wow me.

Maybe somebody will post a couple of snapshots of Virginia in the Wedding (makes note to see whether the movie is available in any format...).

G.

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I don't mean at all to rain on the parade, but does anyone know how Mr. Frid feels about this?  I have heard that he is a fairly private person and basically wants to be left alone at this point in his life.

I thought of this because shortly before this topic was posted, I was both amused and said to hear that Ennio Morricone (I think--my short term memory is in tatters these days) is going to receive an honorary Oscar this year, and he is upset about it because he never wanted one in the first place.  (I just checked the IMDB news item on this and it seems that he isn't THAT unhappy about it after all.)

Just thought I'd ask.

G.

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Well honestly Arashi, I haven't even seen the movie of the League--everything I have read about it makes me want to vomit, so why lacerate myself with the actual experience.  I asked my roommate whether Stuart Townsend removed his clothing because, if he had (particularly if he had displayed full frontal nudity), there might have been SOME incentive to see it, but, no dice.  I gather the movie was geared towards thirteen year old mall rats with videogame fetishes.

I also found it fascinating how in the comic books

[spoiler]Mina's neck wounds had not healed after the vampire's destruction.  It made me wonder whether Alan Moore had considered doing a Dracula story somewhere down the line.  It WAS one of the great moments of sheer shock when Mina's unveiling occurred--in circumstances that were already shocking to the max!  Of course, if one recalls the description of Dracula's TUSKS in the original novel, it isn't surprising that the marks he would leave would be hideous, mauling scars, rather than the discreet little holes of the classic films... In the novel, did one of the characters describe the throat marks as being "two little wounds, white with red centers"--this line is given to van Helsing in the original Lugosi film.[/spoiler]

I do go on, don't I?

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Valentines Day Episode?
« on: February 15, 2007, 08:55:04 PM »
MB, darlin', you know I'm LMAO at your list!  You definitely understand the Dark Shadows approach to romantic love.

I'm not really one for anything related to that holiday, but for me the most romantic episode, when it comes to REALNESS, was in the 1995 sequence when

[spoiler]Julia had briefly broken free of Gerard's thrall and told Barnabas to get away from her and return to their own time, leaving her behind.  Barnabas takes her into his arms, holds her tight, and murmurs those stirring words:  "Not without you.  NEVER without you."  For me, THAT is IT when it comes to romance on the show.[/spoiler]

I do agree that the final two episodes supply a more conventional happy ending.  As Miss Brodie said on a memorable occasion, "For those who like that sort of thing, that's the sort of thing that they like."  I do think that Melanie and Kendrick make a truly adorable couple...

Oh, another fabulous moment for MB's list occurred to me:

[spoiler]Quentin goes down to the Netherworld to fetch Amanda Harris, in a storyline inspired by the Greek myth of Orpheus and Eurydice.  Because she can't keep her paws off him, Amanda gets buried alive under a ton of rubble.  What more festive way to celebrate the Triumph of True Love? *BWAhahahahaha!*[/spoiler]

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Re: grayson hall film showing
« on: February 15, 2007, 05:44:12 PM »
Oh, you'll have a great time!  I saw it twice at the Museum of Modern Art when it was shown in conjunction with a Warhol-themed Sixties show.

Just to let you know, Grayson comes on in the beginning, and then about 45 minutes go by before her next scene.  I think she has four scenes altogether in the movie.  It's a very Sixties jumble of different stories that randomly intersect, sometimes in a very incoherent manner (this sort of thing is where Tarantino got the idea for the structure of Pulp Fiction).

A detail I happened to notice on one of the viewings (it was also shown twice at a film archive here in Boston) is that Grayson's cigarettes in the movie are Marlboros.  I don't know whether this is what she actually smoked in real life.

cheers, Steve

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Thanks for letting us know.

There is an audience tape from one of the Preview nights of Grayson in Happy End (sound only, unfortunately).  It does not seem to have been videotaped officially--the only thing in Billy Rose is a segment (Bilbao song, I think?) that was staged on the Tony Awards that year.

Even more unfortunately, this one tape that has surfaced was recorded when Shirley Knight was still in the role subsequently taken over by Meryl Streep.

G.

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Hi Vlad, Dracula was first associated with the Black Mass in Hammer's 1969 classic "Taste the Blood of Dracula" (now available in a truly gorgeous DVD which *radically* altered my opinion of this film--the photog is simply stunning).  They repeated this theme in subsequent films, notably "Dracula A. D. 1972" and "The Satanic Rites of Dracula."

The sexualization of Lucy's staking is in the original book, in a very sick and twisted way.  Bram Stoker seems to have had some serious issues around his own sexuality.  Granted, in the book they did not stage Lucy's staking in the over-the-top way that it was done in this new movie.  That truly was gratuitous to the point of being laughable.

Although I enjoyed watching it, there were a number of sequences where I had no idea how the actors got through their scenes without falling about in helpless laughter at the idiocy of the proceedings.

I look forward to seeing Marc Warren in future work of a better calibre.  He's in an episode of the new Dr. Who series I haven't had time to watch yet.

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: The fate of Roxanne in 1970 PT
« on: February 13, 2007, 07:58:58 PM »
I am dying here.  Thanks for the larf, lori!  I needed it!

cheers, G.

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