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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Did they or didn't they? (Was Re: Episode #0496)
« on: February 26, 2007, 10:27:32 PM »
Ah, but Roger Collins wore HIS ascots "with a difference"!

I'm fascinated by the notion of (RT) Roger Collins as a closet homosexual.  It would actually explain a lot about the character.  In some ways he is very much in the vein of stereotypical "killer queens" in the more lurid 1950s paperback--the sort that came along in between Gore Vidal's "The city and the pillar" (1948) and John Rechy's "City of Night" (1963) (James Barr's "Quatrefoil" published in 1950, evokes the "twilight world" of closeted gay men of that time with a vivid clarity).  I am thinking now particularly of the original concept of Roger as seen in the first year of the series.  With Jason's appearance on the scene, Roger segues more into the snooty rural country club squire type--the kind who would characterize the rough trade his niece was dating as a "cheap, insufferable pig!"  (lol)  I always wondered whether Roger got written out of the Summer of 1970 storyline simply because the writers had run out of things for him to do.  I would guess that the real reason is that Louis Edmonds was doing theatre and needed a break.

The gay man who desires the glamorous woman of wiles appears most obviously in Laura, but in All about Eve the character of Addison is the same, and I still find his scene where he claims "Eve Evil, little Miss Evil" for his very own unutterably delicious.  In my younger days I found this scene just plain confusing because, like Eve herself, I couldn't imagine what Addison was actually planning to DO with her.  Presumably, become a trophy wife who would put paid to those persistent rumors regarding his true nature.

Fascinating speculations in this thread...

G.

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I alas cannot attend, but my thoughts and prayers will be with you.

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Marie Wallace visits Dark Shadows Forums
« on: February 26, 2007, 08:24:10 PM »
Warmest welcome to our beloved Marie!  That's so nice of you to stop by.

We wish you all very best with your current projects.  You know you are a fan favorite!

cheers, Steve
who will never quite forget the day Professor Stokes announced that Eve was the reincarnation of "the most eee-vil woman who ever lived"!

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Thank you Jackie for that lovely tribute to a truly lovely lady.

I do love the early sightings of Mrs J in her pillbox hat in the Collnsport diner...  "This Mayonnaise isn't FRESH!"

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: "smoke" and mirrors
« on: February 26, 2007, 04:52:25 PM »
MSC, you always seem to choose scenes for these posts that I absolutely ADORE!  That scene between Burke and Miss Hoffman is better than HEROIN (not that I know what Heroin is like, but if I did, it would be BETTAH).  It's a Land-o-Lakes moment like two sticks of BUTTAH lashed together in a rough-hewn manner!

I love how Miss Hoffman gets treated by Burke "just like one of the boys" and the two of them discuss the future of his courtship with Vicki.  The dialogue may be occasionally banal but the way the two actors play this scene is absolutely priceless.

As for the firetrap thing--I've heard Marie Wallace tell the story more than once about how, in one of the scenes where Eve travelled back in time to revisit her 18th century life as Danielle Roget, her wig caught on fire and Irene Hamalain had to frantically rush in and douse the flames.

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: The ironies of Dark Shadows
« on: February 23, 2007, 05:08:42 PM »
Well, the biggest irony regarding dear Angelique, which Barnabas actually comments  upon in the episode concerned was [spoiler]the fact that her curse was that whoever loved him would die--and since she "loved" him, she became the first victim of her own curse![/spoiler]

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: 1991
« on: February 23, 2007, 04:48:11 PM »
I personally blame the writers and directors for a lot of the clumsiness, one-note performances and odd (or, in some cases TOTALLY LACKING) transitions in the 1991 series.  From what I can recall of the circumstances of the time (I was actually living in China when it was being produced and broadcast so this is all very second-hand), I suspect that the real villains were some of the NBC network supremos--"the suits"--who, I seem to have heard, kept interfering and micro-managing.  I know I read somewhere that they were the ones who demanded that during the 1790 story, they keep switching back to show what was going on in 1991.  That leaves even less time to work out an already crowded & compressed storyline for 1790.

Just to cite a specific example--I just re-watched episode 6 and there's a scene at the beginning of the show between Willie and Carolyn that is a re-staging of a scene originally played in the film, house of Dark Shadows.  In the 1991 version, neither actor appears to have been directed, and Barbara Blackburn, who plays Carolyn, doesn't seem to be doing anything at all--literally sleepwalking through the scene.  And not in a way that relates to what is supposed to be happening.

At the end of this episode, I find it clumsy, poorly paced and a complete mood-breaker when Joseph Gordon-Leavitt as David comes into the room and makes his little announcement.  That scene desperately needed a rewrite but, as seems to have often been the case, they probably ran out of time.

I know that the actors cast in the series were an exceptionally talented group.  I have seen Lysette Anthony in other work produced in England and know she has chops.  I really feel sorry for her at the embarrassing antics she had to put on as Angelique--it's really at the level of cheap panto.  But at least, from what I can recall from an interview I saw from her at the time, she had fun doing it.

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Nathan Forbes "distracting" pants
« on: February 23, 2007, 04:39:01 PM »
I, personally, thought that the original "Bad Lieutenant's" trousers were a most refined showcase for his glorious body, including his truly luscious Manhood.  *sigh*

I have to admit I am tee-heeing over the thought of the nice old lady scowling and muttering "That man's pants are VULGAR."

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Elizabeth the beautiful...
« on: February 22, 2007, 11:35:23 PM »
Yeah, in those first shows, there's kind of a Miss Havishamesque quality to the fact that Liz, who has not left the house in 18 years, is dressed as if to attend Bobby Darin's big concert in the Rainbow Room at Caesar's Palace.

It's too bad we didn't get to see, oh, say, Liz grilling frankfurters at the stove in full tiara 'do, drop earrings, stunning cocktail gown and high heels, glaring with a coldly imperious look in her eyes as she turns the recalcitrant franks.

ROGER:  Liz, why do the hot dogs have to ALWAYS be well done?

LIZ:  Because I CHOOSE to cook them so!

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Dear Dead Abigail
« on: February 22, 2007, 11:16:13 PM »
Of course, the scene where Barbara Blackburn as Carolyn was [spoiler]eagerly pawing Ben Cross' exposed chest as Barnabas prepares to chow down didn't exactly having me leaving the theatre to grab some more popcorn in the lobby.  LOL![/spoiler]

*wink*

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Dear Dead Abigail
« on: February 22, 2007, 11:09:36 PM »
I am revisiting the 1991 series mainly to enjoy Barbara Steele's performance again.  IMNSHO by far the best bits of that show are Steele's scenes with Ben Cross.  Between them they packed *a lot* of subtext into a show that was otherwise poorly scripted and directed.

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Dear Dead Abigail
« on: February 22, 2007, 10:31:03 PM »
Is there anyone else there who had to swallow a MIGHTY guffaw at Trask's line about the late Abigail's putatively "kind and gentle face" in ep. 433 (showcased in today's slide show)?  I think I actually let loose a SHRIEK when that snippet of dialogue first passed my eardrums when I finally got around to seeing this part of the show back in the Nineties.

Abigail was one of Clarice Blackburn's most Triumphant creations.  Sheer Heaven for those of us who are fans of character acting.  I adore Minerva, too, but she doesn't get as much notice from fans.  I loved Clarice's humanity in illuminating [spoiler]Minerva's despair when she comes to Collinwood to drop off a jar of preserves and realizes that "dear Gregory" is now courting Judith.  There was a lot of jealousy and bitterness in that scene, but she extracted this unwritten, barely expressed bit of sorrow and loneliness that gave the scene an extra edge.[/spoiler]

Clarice is another one who should have been awarded an honorary Daytime Emmy for her work on the series.

OTOH, the way the scene of [spoiler]Abigail's death was played in the 1991 series STILL has me giggling.  I've been revisiting that show and am looking forward to that episode. Seems to me they crammed about 3 weeks of story into ten minutes or so of air time!  LOL![/spoiler]

G.


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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0239
« on: February 22, 2007, 09:54:42 PM »
This is by and large a pointless observation, but I'll make it anyhow.

In the original 1967 storyline, Barnabas' great love for Josette was [spoiler]finally revealed to be a complete will-o-the-wisp.  In a conversation between Julia and Barnabas in an October '67 episode, Julia ALMOST gets Barnabas to admit that Josette never really did return his love.  He certainly gets very annoyed with her "poking and prying."  It's implied that the only love Barnabas really knew as a human was from Sarah.  Remember how, when he was with Miss Winters in the Old House during his initial arrival, he laughs bitterly at the notion of there ever having been any "love" in that house.

All this implies that Barnabas' original story was much more tragic--and emotionally twisted--than the romantic narrative eventually revealed in the 1795 storyline.  Of course, the original story would have been a lot less satisfying, emotionally, for the audience, had they kept to it for Vicki's time travel back to the past.

Montague Summers reports a number of versions of the folk tradition that a suicide may return as a vampire, as a nosferatu, and I wonder whether Art Wallace had intended this as the original backstory to Barnabas' existence as one of the living dead.[/spoiler]

G.

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I thought Virginia was a truly phenomenal actress.  Her performance as Samantha never fails to Wow me.

Maybe somebody will post a couple of snapshots of Virginia in the Wedding (makes note to see whether the movie is available in any format...).

G.

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I don't mean at all to rain on the parade, but does anyone know how Mr. Frid feels about this?  I have heard that he is a fairly private person and basically wants to be left alone at this point in his life.

I thought of this because shortly before this topic was posted, I was both amused and said to hear that Ennio Morricone (I think--my short term memory is in tatters these days) is going to receive an honorary Oscar this year, and he is upset about it because he never wanted one in the first place.  (I just checked the IMDB news item on this and it seems that he isn't THAT unhappy about it after all.)

Just thought I'd ask.

G.

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