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Very interesting.  Some of us have other views on the real story behind the cancellation of DS--we've gone over that so many times here that I'm sure the threads could be easily found if you search the boards.

I found it fascinating when I learned that the ratings for the series were actually going up in January-February of 1971.  It makes me wonder whether the show could have found a whole new audience had it continued into the Seventies.

On the other hand, conjuring up the image of David, Quentin and Roger in those loud polyester Seventies outfits with platform wedgies and ties wide enough to serve as bibs makes me grateful NOT to have had to live through all that.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 II / Re: Happy Birthday to Julia99!
« on: October 01, 2007, 05:44:39 PM »
Quelle spectacle!  C'est l'anniversaire extraordinare de Julia99!  Oo-la-la!  Quelle drolerie, ca serait bien sur tout-a-fais divine!!!

Je m'en fiche!!!

xoxo G.

PS Happy Birthday sweetie!!!

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Just a line to any fans who may have been following this topic:  I checked reviews of the UK release of Vault of Horror, and although the movie is complete, it is described as a pan and scan digitzation of a scratchy, somewhat faded print that hasn't been cleaned up--sounds like a public domain print from a 16 mm collector may have been the source.

This makes me wonder whether the original source materials for the full length print before the cuts demanded by the MPAA (this was the theatrical print of the movie, not a print prepared for television as stated by a number of people on Amazon) may have gotten lost in the wash (once again...).

There are reports of a Japanese laser disc which is supposed to be pristine but it was awhile back (obviously) when I read about this.

G.

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My thoughts--

Joan Bennett:  in the books about the show's history, it is stated (originally by KLS, I believe, in the first edition of My Scrapbook Memories of DS--a wonderful book just for the photographs; I cherish it for the series of Thayer David in the antique store alone) that Joan insisted on being given a six week vacation every year.  So, it was built in from the get-go that Liz (or whoever Joan played) would have periods of being "away" in some form or other.  I do think that Joan has some of her best moments post-Barnabas.  The whole Jason Maguire thing is concurrent with the original Barnabas storyline and I actually find it very effective now to watch the two storylines switching back and forth.  The Judith Collins story in 1897 contains some of Joan's best work on the show (and may I just mention here, since I seldom here anyone else voicing this opinion, that I love watching Joan work opposite Jerry Lacy and that I think that for once, the showdown of the whole Judith/Trask storyline packs quite a punch on DS--where storyline payoffs all too often ended with a rushed fizzle).  For some reason, after Parallel Time 1970 Joan got very little good material to work with.  I did hear a fan report about a ca. 1972 talk show appearance (I have no idea which one) in which Joan stated bluntly that she was relieved that Shadows was done with because she was tired of it and had not had a very good time.  I suspect this reflects (if anything more than a passing mood on that day) her experience on hoDS and the decline in the material she was given in that last year.

Louis--I don't think he really cared one way or the other so long as he got his own share of work.  Unlike Joan, Louis did get some more substantial material right through to the end of the series.  I thought the aged Daniel was a fantastiic tour de force, and Brutus was great fun.  Louis was a champ!

Nancy, as Michael and others in this thread have implied, did continue to have central importance throughout the Barnabas era.  We got to watch Carolyn grow up, and go through some remarkable experiences.  As for Alex, I give her credit for bringing depth and plausibility to the work  even when Vicki goes way out on a limb (that whole Jeff Clark/Peter Bradford thing--let's just not go there).  I so wish she had come back in 1897 to play a darker more sinister role, as I've read she had requested from DC.  Of course the fans probably would have sent in hate-mail as they did when Barnabas was made evil again during the Leviathans (I think the real reason why the Leviathans story was so reviled at the time--the teenybopper fan base couldn't deal with seeing Barn go bad).

Missed opportunities:  I would have loved to have seen Frank Garner become a regular on the show as Vicki's love interest.  I think that would have added a different twist to the whole dynamic of Barn's courtship of Vicki.  And I wish that Ned Calder had come to Collinwood.  In Sam Hall's notes on how the story might have continued, I like to think of the man that Liz brought in to help with the business as Ned, although I think that Sam described him as a younger man and very brilliant.  In any event, I like to think of Liz having some happiness in her life after all those "dark shadows."

Just my two drachmae--

G.

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Several people on the IMDB boards for this series are describing it as an out-and-out remake of Forever Knight.

It's actually on a channel that I receive so I may have a look to see just how awful it proves to be (Blood Ties certainly set an unusually low benchmark for awfulness in vampire series).

G.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: i'm doing 1840...finally
« on: September 25, 2007, 07:55:32 PM »
I did think that a connection between Roxanne's story and the main Gerard story was *implied* in the Summer of 1970 storyline--if you watch carefully, there are snippets of dialogue here and there that imply this.  But in typical fashion the Roxanne storyline was just turned into a dead end like so much else from this period.

G.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: i'm doing 1840...finally
« on: September 25, 2007, 04:29:08 PM »
I watched those shows on the original b'cast in 1970 and the vampire's identity really came out of left field for me.  I actually remember that scene where the unknown vampire was influencing Julia into a doze and we saw the creature as a shadowy figure and I swear it looked as if "he" was wearing a sombrero and a cape and I remember thinking, "Oh My God, the Cisco Kid has become One of the Living Dead!!!"  (some may not have a clue regarding the humor in this)

1970 was kind of the banner year for Lesbian Vampires, wasn't it?  The Vampire Lovers and Daughters of Darkness (starring out own Johnny Karlen) were both filmed in that year, and soon after followed a bevy of films such as Les Vampyres and Vampyros Lesbos and then the lesbian sequence in Count Yorga Vampire... it was quite a fad for a time.

I really wish they had done at least one scene between Maggie and her Vampire Mistress.  I noticed that when Julia fell victim to the same Vampire in 1840, they were very careful never to show the two together and Julia being dominated, both psychically and perhaps sensually, by another woman.

They could show John Yeagar licking Maggie Collins' necklace but they couldn't show THAT.

G.

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I keep seeing this topic and mis-reading it as "Dark Shadows Curse" and hearing Julia scream:  "WILLIEEEEEE!!! get me the stake, NOW!"

*cheeky grin*

G.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: i'm doing 1840...finally
« on: September 24, 2007, 05:49:54 PM »
John Karlen as Kendrick is *luscious* but just doesn't have all that much to do.  Particularly after a certain plot development.  His scenes with Nancy Barrett are a highlight of the remainder of DS.

I forgot to mention that this period (really the entire final 12 months of the series, but this period in particular) was, for MANY years, a Holy Grail for fans, because up until I think around 1993, this period had never been syndicated out or shown on television in any form and what fans had to go on for it were publicity photos, stills and people's Dark Shadows Journals (also, some people had taped each episode at home and then lovingly preserved the tapes--I think those fan cassette tapes were used to replace dialogue that was missing on the master tapes, most notably in the missing episode towards the end of the series).

When fans finally got to see it again (I think on Sci Fi; if memory serves, the Sci Fi airing pre-dated the VHS release of these shows, but I could be wrong about that), it was a huge rush for oldtime fans and probably something the like of which DS fans will never see again.  I think this may be part of why the reaction to how certain developments was handled in 1840 has proven so durably extreme in fandom--that, and the nature of the crowning denouement of 1840, which a lot of fans find simply unacceptable (in various ways, of course).

As for the Summer of 1970, what I don't get is why they set up such a different backstory from events as they actually staged them in 1840.  I can only presume that the writers were working under their own reconnaissance and then at some point DC came in and saw what was planned and yelled, "A shipboard romance on THIS show?  Whaddya think our budget is--the national debt???" Or words to that effect.

cheers, G.

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Hi Claude, yes, that is the beginning of The Deadly Bees.  It's a wildly campy sequence!  The rest of it I found rather anti-climactic...

G.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: i'm doing 1840...finally
« on: September 21, 2007, 07:55:20 PM »
Things I adore about 1840:

The incredible Virginia Vestoff and her scorchingly brilliant work as Samantha

Joan Bennett's *initial* characterization as Flora (who all too quickly turns back into Reigning Dowager of Collinwood--but Joan does get to have some fun first!)

Nancy Barrett's return as another Faye--Leticia (presumably Pansy's Grandmother???)

The *initial* Judah Zachery storyline (I won't mention here where I think it jumps the shark since it involves a *major* spoiler)

There are some other moments that shine involving specific scenes but, again, as this involves major spoliation, I won't bring them up here.

Chris Pennock is really brillaint as Gabriel, too, although I find that a little bit of the character goes a long way.

Hope you enjoy watching the shows!  I gather you've never seen PT 1841, either?

G.

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How interesting.  and how fascinating to learn that someone would pay $150 for one of these!  I bet some of the other performers on the series are kicking themselves that they didn't hang onto this sort of thing.

I realize this is mind-numbingly trivial, but the sheet that is labelled for 1969 is actually for the beginning of January, 1970.  It shows roles for the Leviathan storyline which did indeed begin in November of 1969--but if I'm reading it correctly, the dates on this sheet are for January which must be '70.

Back to my job and to pretend I have a life, hahaha.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 II / Re: Looking for Roger Davis Brut Ad
« on: September 19, 2007, 04:53:56 PM »
Lydia, you're a genius!

laughing hysterically,

G.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: Sept 19th - Talk Like a Pirate Day
« on: September 19, 2007, 04:28:34 PM »
Why Sept. 19?

Is this the anniversary of the day [spoiler spoiler spoiler] a herd of dead pirates (probably drunk as well--you know pirates) showed up for a party at Collinwood and wound up TOTALLY trashing the place???

Damn that Gerard Stiles and his foofy green flag.

G.

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Testing. 1, 2, 3... / Re: OT - Happy 25th :-)
« on: September 18, 2007, 09:29:05 PM »
Twenty-five years of smiley faces.

How simply, sickeningly, gut-wrenchingly ... lovely.

G. (can you tell I'm clenching my teeth?)

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