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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 II / Re: HB to B&J
« on: September 30, 2008, 05:34:56 PM »
Julia Dahling, May your special day be as swooningly DIVINE as you are!

cheers!  Steve

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss: '91 Series - Ep #02
« on: September 29, 2008, 10:52:21 PM »
As I think MB commented in an earlier post, the pacing of the story in the early episodes of this show mirrors the pacing in some other DC ventures, notably hoDS and the Jack Palance Dracula movie.  Not just the pacing, but in some cases whole stretches of dialogue and shot set-ups were copied near-verbatim from those earlier works.

I think by 1990-91, the vampire genre had reached a point where the old structure that was exploited so brilliantly in earlier shows--of having suspense building around a series of mysterious attacks and an undiagnosed "illness" suffered by a heroine--ultimately traced back to the chapters of Dracula about Lucy's "illness"--was perceived as no longer really working.  Besides hoDS, in 1970 the feature film Count Yorga, Vampire quickly established that vampires were on the loose, and the "theme" of the movie was not so much one of suspense as horror created by a sequence of luridly constructed vampire set-pieces.  This re-tooling of the genre had been pioneered by Hammer studios in their early films (Horror of) Dracula, Brides of Dracula, and Kiss of the Vampire. 

Between the early 1970s and 1990, you had the explosion of the Anne Rice phenomenon, as well, which radically changed the face of the gothic vampire genre.  So, bear that in mind when evaluating these shows.

From what little I have read about the behind the scenes stuff at NBC,  when it came to the horror quotient in the story, the studio suits wanted more, faster, harder.  Dan Curtis never needed much encouragement to up the ante in the "blood, carnage and fangs" department.  (Or, as Grayson once said lovingly, "Dan has a real genius for SPOOK.")

I look forward to the critique of the next episode--if memory serves (my single viewing of it was on VHS ca. 1997), they REALLY let the blood spatter in that one.

G.

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Dear Doctor And K-9,

Deutsche Erstausgabe means "German [language] First Edition."

The title that puzzled you would be better translated as "When the Bird of Death Sings"--the verb klagen normally describes the tolling of a bell, but I can't think of an elegant way of rending this into English offhand.

Was Dark Shadows aired in Germany in the 1970s?  The idea of anybody bothering to translate this stuff makes my head hurt.

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss: '91 Series - Ep #02
« on: September 28, 2008, 10:44:04 PM »
MB, your comments about Joe Haskell's lack of "involuntary" movement while sleeping gave me quite a giggle.  Thanks for the fun--it 's been a rather draggy weekend otherwise.

Am I imagining it or is there a scene coming up where we get to see Michael T. Weiss naked from behind?  Ah, a charming county Derry Air *wink*

G.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss: '91 Series - Ep #02
« on: September 28, 2008, 09:59:05 PM »
I know this is really trivial, but looking at Taeylor's ravishingly fabulous captures of Barbara Steele's big scene, I'm remembering that her lipstick seemed WAY too loud to me this last time I watched my videotape of this episode.  Just off the hook.  Maybe it's because otherwise, her look is restrained and what one would expect of a "brilliant blood specialist by day, icy and aloof dominatrix by night" kinda gal.

I also found Barnabas' makeup in the eighteenth century sequences to be so garish, it frequently distracted me from what was going on (and there was a HELL of a lot going on).  Maybe I'll comment on that when you get to those shows, if Taeylor is still kind enough to post his captures--I no longer own tapes of any but the first two episodes.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 II / Re: OT: I'm Leaving All Of You!
« on: September 28, 2008, 12:58:36 AM »
Sounds wonderful, Gerard.  I wonder whether the Queen Vicki will make a stop in Crete. I long to visit the Minoan ruins there.

If you stop in Samos, don't forget to sample the delicious local white wine (if you drink, that is!) and visit the ruins of the Temple of Hera, once one of the most beautiful in all Greece.

cheers!  Steve

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss: '91 Series - Pilot - Part 2
« on: September 26, 2008, 09:38:34 PM »
My roommate's view was that Carolyn had already had an illustrious career working the street out in WeHo before she "welcomed" Miss Winters to Collinwood.  He almost literally fell out of his chair and rolled around the floor laughing at some of the fashions Miss Stoddard sports in later episodes.

G.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: vicki and jeff.the end
« on: September 26, 2008, 08:57:47 PM »
Hoo boy, Liz and Sam!  Why am I imagining Liz pursing her lips into a thin, bloodless line and informing whomever was inquiring, "HELL would have to freeze over first!"

I really need to lie down ....

G.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Discuss: '91 Series - Pilot - Part 2
« on: September 26, 2008, 07:41:50 PM »
I agree with Cassandra Blair that Julia's braid always, to me, gives her that certain dominatrix air right from the get-go.  Too bad Barbara wasn't allowed to stalk through Collinwood in leather catsuits and stiletto boots for a special West Hollywood look *cheeky grin*.

I'm laughing out of my ... uh, face, at the notion of Julia being "right onto Barnabas like frosting on a cupcake."  Thanks, MSC.

It's too bad they didn't pursue defining Carolyn as a predatory bisexual minx.  After all, Amanda Donohoe had done her fabulous thing on LA Law just a year or two before this.

G.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: vicki and jeff.the end
« on: September 26, 2008, 07:14:14 PM »
Very interesting!  I had no idea she was interested in going back after her son's birth.

This more than ever makes the re-write of Victoria's fate during that stupid subplot in Leviathans look like a posthumous punishment of the character by her irate creator.

G.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: vicki and jeff.the end
« on: September 26, 2008, 05:51:29 PM »
I don't think the original plan was for Vicki and Jeff to marry.  I have no idea what DC was cooking up for Vicki.  If the statement in KLS's first book, in which it is said that DC wanted to try playing out a Rosemary's Baby ripoff with Vicki in the Mia Farrow role, is true, perhaps the original idea was for Jeff to be in Nicholas's thrall and make some kind of deal with Diabolos for that to play out.  Unless Jim Pierson finds and releases minutes from writers meetings from the mid 1968 period, we will never know what direction was being envisioned for the plot.  As it was, some people who were on the show then always spoke of 1968 as "that year of insanity" and for good reason.

I agree that Alex would have made a fabulous villainess.  However, I think that she had zero interest in returning to the show once she managed to leave.

G.

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Heavens!  So the 2004 Collins were living without Mrs Johnson?  I feel faint ... 

Who on Earth provided their traditional New England Boiled Dinners (tm)???

G.

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Gads, I did see a screening of the 2004 pilot at one of the Festivals, but have no memory of anyone named Sophia.  Was she Willie's girlfriend?

G.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Question For DS Viewers who watched first run!! :)
« on: September 24, 2008, 05:34:44 PM »
I think I must have read in 16 magazine (it was my religion back then, lol) that Jonathan Frid was taking a vacation to Barnabas would be "absent."  Even so, the staking was SHOCKING, particularly given how gruesomely they staged it... at least, by the standards of 1969 television, it was an extreme sequence.

The scene the next day where Pansy staggers into the Blue Whale and confesses what she's done rates as a high point in Nancy Barrett's work on the series, IMO.

Congratulations to Taeylor on 800!

cheers!  G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 II / Re: Ou Grayson?
« on: September 23, 2008, 07:50:18 PM »
Good news!  The title of the movie, btw, is Who are you, Polly Maggoo? (Qui etes-vous, Polly Maggoo?)

There is a topic in the archives with some fabou screen-captures from this movie...

G.

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