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Not that I'm into lists or top tens, but out of idle curiosity, what were the top three "all time best" scenes chosen in Jonathan Frid's "Game"?

I view this sort of thing as completely subjective, and my own list would change depending upon what I had been watching lately.  Having Mrs J hand an open-mouthed Maggie Evans a ten cent tip because "you're a nice girl" would definitely be on my top ten list, for example...

G.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Quentin's Boudoir Eyes (August 6 NoDS capture)
« on: August 19, 2009, 03:49:08 PM »
Last night, while looking for something else, I did find my copy of "Dark Shadows II" with Grayson's notes.  Really quite fascinating.  MB is correct--the words about intercutting the scene of Quentin and Angelique briefly making out together with a shot of Carlotta's face in some sort of sexually excited state are in Grayson's handwriting.  Regardless of what Sam says now, I do wonder whether including this element more explicitly may have been discussed at the time.  On the other hand, I bear in mind Grayson's remarks in a number of interviews, most memorably in the 1982 "Grayson Gathering" tape, about how much more interesting it is for an actress to decide she "has a secret" about a character and to play certain scenes with "the subtext" of that secret in mind.  (In one of the interviews printed in TWODS after her death, GH gives a whole little discourse on the meaning and significance of "subtext" for an actor.  A fan who became a friend of hers reports somewhere that GH would in some cases write out pages and pages of notes for "subtext" in a given role.  I've often wondered what her notes for Julia's subtext--over the years in the TV show--would have spoken about.)

So, my thought at this point is that by and large, a lot of Grayson's notes about Carlotta's role as the physical link that made it possible for Angelique to act as she did in the world of 1971 were probably her own ideas--her "secret" for the character.

One note that surprised me is that in the scene where Carlotta arrives to find that Quentin has just cut her nephew's face open, Grayson describes Carlotta's reaction as having an element of "animal excitement."  I think that Sam and Dan (and Lela, if she was around) must have vetoed Grayson playing the scene that way...

G.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Casting NoDS
« on: August 19, 2009, 03:41:20 PM »
What a darling!  Teen idol '70! 

His career seems to have gone nowhere, alas.  He also seems to have been on the verge of cracking up in his second scene in the episode...

G.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Casting NoDS
« on: August 19, 2009, 12:10:49 AM »
Ray Carlson was sooo adorable... I wish he had been brought back in some sort of supporting role.

Brian Sturdivant was in Diary of a Mad Housewife, an uncredited minor role in a party sequence--but I have yet to catch up with that film.  I could definitely see him playing mad and mod.

G.

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Of course, everybody needs to bear in mind that once the picture is completed, months or years could go by before it is released.

It's happened before--ask fans of Joss Whedon's "Firefly" series about the history of the feature film version, "Serenity."

G.

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That's really too bad about Donna.  Hope she feels better soon.

I would love to see shots of Bewitched Shadows!  Sounds fab.

G.

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The idea of trying to somehow "explain" the time travel in DS really baffles me, when you watch the actual shows and they are so vague about how it all happens.  I thought one of the writers gave his own editorial comment to the time travel element when he had Prof. Stokes tell Jeff Clark "I am not a travel agent for time!"

The I Ching time travelling was inspired by a section in William Seabrook's circa 1940 book on Witchcraft in which he explores the notion of "atavism" and talks about experiments that were made in the 1920s where people used the I Ching in an attempt to "open a door" on the astral plane and do something along the lines of what, today, many New Age people think of as "past life regression."  The instance of the Russian lady who turned into a ravening wolf after she "went through the door" actually did involve the K'o hexagram which was how the time travel was accomplished on DS.  Needless to say, this has no connection to anything documented in the Chinese lore about the I Ching material, nor anything remotely connected with quantum physics.  It does seem to be connected with some early 20th century occultists' theorizing about "atavism" in human psychology (there's a great entry in the early 1970s "encyclopedia of the supernatural," Man, Myth and Magic, on this).

The first instance of time traveling seemed to occur as a result of the ghost of Sarah Collins intervening at a seance.  How this happened was never explained--which I personally thought made it work better as a story.  We never knew how it happened, we just know that it did. 

I think the "Staircase through time" setpiece in the final storylines, which includes a scene where Julia reads a diary entry from the 1840 Quentin in which he theorizes that time and space are one and the same dimension, *may* be something that can somehow be related to modern speculations in quantum physics... but only in a really vague way. 

If you want to give yourself a headache, try reading Warren Oddson's attempt to reconcile how there Barnabas wound up being split into two, with bodies existing in separate time continuums, but without the existing Collinwood continuity being disrupted (I use the term "continuity" here in an extremely loose way).

It's much better, IMO, to just go with the flow and take the stories for what they are--fabulous entertainment!

cheers, G.

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That's very sad about Diana Millay.  I hope that she gets better if it is true that she is "unwell."

It must have not quite seemed like a Festival without Diana ... she is always one of those people who just seems to be everywhere, and was always tremendously outgoing with the fans...

G.

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Thanks, Miranda, for the report.  Like MB, I pretty much figured on the "surprise" screening being the 2004 pilot.  I'm sorry you missed most of it.  I quite liked Alec Newman's Barnabas and Matt Czuchny (sp?) as Willie.

I love Cassandra, so it's nice that she was included among the clips.  I'm very sorry I'm missing Jerry Lacy!

cheers, G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '09 II / Re: Time to "sign in".
« on: August 14, 2009, 05:07:47 PM »
Hope some more fans have shown up to keep you company by the time you read these words!

And have a grand time!  Your comment about the "gift shop" in the "chic" hotel had me guffawing.  I hope they don't run out of baggies of chips!  Sounds as if provisions may be scant on the ground.  there's always the extra rubber chicken from the Banquet!

cheers,

G.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Quentin's Boudoir Eyes (August 6 NoDS capture)
« on: August 14, 2009, 05:05:39 PM »
GP was the original form of the rating that the world now knows as PG-13.  Before that it was M, for Mature audiences only (if memory serves).

I expect that it meant that they played the scene with much heaving of the bosom and lips brushing against cheeks and that was about ALL. 

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Quentin's Boudoir Eyes (August 6 NoDS capture)
« on: August 14, 2009, 03:02:52 PM »
I would love to know the relationship between Grayson's autographed and annotated copy of the script (which bears the title Dark Shadows II) and Dan's shooting script with his notes which was published in the DS Movie Book.  I have had one go at trying to find my photocopy of Grayson's script. and failed, but did pull out the Movie Book and had not realized how many differences there were between the version of the script published there, and the one that circulated in fandom from Grayson.  Presumably, the published version is the "definitive" one, actually used while shooting the movie; there were apparently pages and pages of notes, scribbled over the backs of the typed script sheets, from DC about the shots, set-ups, etc.

What I remember in Dark Shadows II (presumably, a draft anterior to the one published and used at Lyndhurst for the shooting) is not just notes from Grayson about a shot of Carlotta lying on her bed holding the locket with her eyes closed intercut with shots of Q & A going at it, but actual typed scene set-ups from Sam that were part of the script.  When I track down my copy of Grayson's script, I'll report further on this.

The published version of the script does have a scene, noted as having "ad libbed" dialogue, in which Q & A are making love "GP STYLE" according to the typed direction.  I had thought that a fan on this board had an audio tape of a boudoir scene between Q & A that was in an early version of the release print and cut by the time the final print was executed for release.

cheers,

G.

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A laff riot!

"Time to give Elizabeth another ... sedative ... !"

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '09 II / Re: I had no idea that...
« on: August 12, 2009, 09:40:08 PM »
For me Joan Bennett's later hairdo (I think it first appears in early 1969) is forever associated with Lady Bird Johnson, erstwhile First Lady.  I did think it framed her face in a more "mod" way.  The hairdo that I found really strange on her was one that appeared around six weeks into the Summer of 1966.  It always makes me think as if Liz was doing a correspondence course in how to transform yourself into a geisha.  It disappeared after a couple of weeks, thankfully, never to reappear.

When all is said and done, my favorite Liz hairstyle is the "tiara" do and its variations that she had through much of 1966 and 1967.  I always associate it with her charging at that smug, smirking Burke Devlin and reading him the riot act in the Collinwood Drawing Room. Those scenes with the two of them rate among the finest moments of the series.  Later on she had a similar hairdo in her sparring with Jason Maguire. Fabulous days.

G.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Another New Slideshow
« on: August 12, 2009, 12:13:06 AM »
MB!  I am cackling away at Ang's dialogue from today's deleted scene. 

"Laura my darling" indeed!  What a hoot!

Thanks so much for sharing!

cheers,

G.

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