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Calling all devotees of the Divine One:

Check out this exciting link!

http://www.collinsporthistoricalsociety.com/2012/06/grayson-hall-blog-thon-set-for-june-22.html

Grayson's son, author Matt Hall, as well as the author of the definitive Grayson Hall biography, R. J. Jamison, are set to participate, along with a bevy of other fan sites, including a podcast.

Best,

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / Re: Elizabeth Eis 1943-2012
« on: June 20, 2012, 03:41:57 AM »
Sad news indeed. That Elizabeth developed a following among fans in recent years is, as far as I'm concerned, entirely due to herself and the dignity and humanity she projected in roles that weren't all that well scripted or conceived.  I also missed her one Festival appearance.  She will be missed.

G.

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Current Talk '12 I / Re: 1840 ben stokes question
« on: June 18, 2012, 10:55:11 PM »
I realize the repetition is wearisome, but I feel called upon to point out again that while 1968 boasts the dreary Adam storyline, it also features some of the series' best moments, such as the plotline MB mentioned, but also pretty much ALL of the Nicholas Blair scenes (I really think 1968 Blair was head and shoulders above all of HAA's divine characterizations), Cassandra Collins which is one of my personal favorite characters in the series, some great Prof. Stokes stuff (Stokes was one of the characters who first got me watching the show), and the original Chris Jennings werewolf storyline.  Some of Eve's scenes were really quite juicy as well, I thought--Marie played her with such understated venom--and then there was Danielle Roget, "the most evil woman of the 18th century."

The parts of it that frustrate me the most are the endless winding-down of Vicki's trial storyline in the final part of 1795, and every scene involving Peter/Jeff; nearly all of Adam's scenes, although before Adam learned to talk Robert Rodan brought great heart to the role; and the interminable storyline involving Liz's curse to live in fear of death and being buried alive, a terrible betrayal of what was once a great character.  The reduction of Vicki to a simpering idiot who just "doesn't understand" is a very, very disappointing end to another character who was the fascinating centerpoint of the entire story, originally.  And finally, the unimaginative, dull scenario by which Joe Haskell was written out of the show, although Joe's final episode boasts one of the series' most compellingly bizarre and creepy dream sequences.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / Creepy-bopper
« on: June 13, 2012, 03:06:48 AM »
This was somebody's film school project.  It's a short film that runs about 8 minutes attempting to profile a kid in 1969 who is obsessed with DS.  I realized watching it just how obsessed a fan I am since some of the memorabilia shown was not available until the end of 1969 or later... and that jumped right out at me as being out of period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lSHzElZ5rA&feature=related

I missed the NY Times calling us "Creepy-boppers."  And honestly, I think you'd have to be really stoned to keep those damned plastic fangs in your mouth for more than a couple of minutes. Those things tasted awful.

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: June 13, 2012, 12:22:44 AM »
Amen to that, Cousin Barnabas.  ALL of it.

G.

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Thanks for that excerpt, MB. I have to say that that certainly reads as if it would have played much, much better than what I recall of the train-wreck that was the ending I remember seeing,  Like michael, the memories are vague, but I do recall my reaction to the ending as being:  "What th' HELL?"

I still find the scripted ending to be over the top, but it just could have worked with the right handling.

I thought Brown had potential as Liz.  They really, really needed to do a re-take of the scene where she welcomes Vicki to Collinwood, however.  Everything about the scene as it exists is off-key.

Again, Hu didn't make enough of an impression for me to know how she would have played Julia.  To me, Julia by definition has to have an edge.  I've not seen Kelly Hu's other work to know if she can convey that kind of edge.

In the clips I have seen from the Burton/Depp film, HBC did have an edge, but as I wrote to another fan who solicited my opinion, it was more Shelley Winters than Grayson Hall.

salutations, G.

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Kelly Hu barely registered as Julia in my one viewing of the pilot because the character really had very little to do.  As it was, they crammed far too much story (IMO) into a 40 minute snippet--to me, one of the downfalls of the pilot.  That, and the ending, but I'll save the rant because I know there are some who I respect and am very fond of here who thought the ending was the bees' knees.

Julia is on hand for a couple of scenes and had, if I'm recalling correctly, maybe three or four lines?  Kelly really may not recall much about it.  Presumably she would have been told about the plans for Julia to become a major character and at least some of what was planned for Julia in this iteration.  It would be been interesting to see her take on the character.  But, alas...

G.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Another New Slideshow
« on: June 10, 2012, 05:41:05 PM »
Re today's capture:  I LOVE Thayer David.

That is all.

G.

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btw, the new series is to be called 1313 Mockingbird Lane (the Munsters' address in the old show).

I really wish they would leave these things alone...

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / Possible New Munsters Series
« on: June 06, 2012, 09:22:38 PM »
Last night I was reading about plans to do a new series of The Munsters on one of the major networks.  This time around, it sounds as if the series is going to be a full-on horror/drama series rather than a comedy.  The official blurb says that Herman's artificially assembled body is starting to rot and he needs to find a living human "donor" for a new heart.  Sounds tasty, doesn't it?  What surprised me is this time around, Eddie is described as a "child werewolf" which I definitely don't recall being part of the original scenario.  Makes me wonder if they're going to grab anything not nailed down from the 2012 Depp Shadows movie for this series.

I won't be watching, but no doubt I will be reading at least some of the reviews if this makes it to the airwaves.

G.

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Hmm,well, I think 1972 is too early for "The Bitch is back ..." *rolls eyes*

You might have to wait till the home video release and then try listening with headphones to catch this.

G.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: June 04, 2012, 09:23:00 PM »
OK, this is really trivial and barely on topic, but ... we all know about the DS themed cosmetics campaign one of the big brands (I honestly forget which one) has launched as a movie tie-in... well, I was just in the drugstore buying a few sundries and I saw in the perfume and makeup department this huge maquette (or whatever it's called) for a new line from Cover Girl with the tag, "Don't spend your life living in somebody else's shadow."  And whether I'm hallucinating or not, the model featured on the ad looked a lot like Magtoria/Josette as portrayed by Miss Heathcote.

It made me giggle...

G.

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Current Talk '12 I / Ghostwriting
« on: June 04, 2012, 01:50:03 PM »
Ah! ? The scene from Jamison's dream of David's last birthday! One of my favorite moments in the series! ? If only Violet Welles had been with the show longer!

Hi Arashi, according to an interview with Violet Welles published in Dale Clark's zine, she did come back to write many scripts in the final couple of months of DS.  She started out ghostwriting scripts for Gordon Russell who must have been busy with other projects or perhaps just needed some time doing something other than writing DS, and then somehow got on the show's roster as a writer.  I'm guessing that if Violet was not mis-remembering her time on the show, her final relay of scripts must have been the same arrangement--Russell got the screen credit but she did the work.

The arrangement is apparently more common in television than the general public are widely aware.

G.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: June 03, 2012, 09:43:58 PM »
There were definitely tweets from Thomas McDonell about his work on the movie in London.  I remember there being mention of his work coming at the end of the filming schedule. 

I would guess that his material did not even make it into Burton's final cut, so it is unlikely (IMO) that his footage will make it into the "deleted scenes" on the Blu Ray (which I expect to contain the material Graham-Smith mentioned in that interview).  But who knows. 

I heard that the WB suits have claimed that for the Avengers disc, deleted scenes will only be included on the Blu Ray release, btw.  I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with Depp Shadows.  I presume that Warners owns the company that manufactures Blu Ray players or has some kind of interest in the sale of same.

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: June 03, 2012, 04:02:04 AM »
Well beyond the thoughts of the original series DS fanbase, there's this oddly assorted contingent of folks who have as one of their chief goals in life the desire to bury Tim Burton alive, career-wise.  Particularly any project Burton does with Johnny Depp.  So, it was pretty much on the cards that this project was going to attract some particularly vicious, vitriolic criticism from that quarter. 

I haven't looked at those reviews and I don't really have time, but I would bet you dollars to doughnuts that the "Tim Burton must be destroyed" league is at work again... just my thoughts.

G.

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