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The painting of Quentin's portrait is a significant element in the second half of 1897, the part where Count Petofi is the main villain.

MB I definitely agree that omitting Jason and those incredible episodes with those great scenes between him and Liz (which gives the lie to folks who say that Joan Bennett wasn't any good on DS) is unforgivable. I barely glanced at the article so did not really think very much about what they were suggesting.

G.

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Current Talk '19 I / Re: Why We Hate Gerard
« on: September 13, 2019, 08:03:22 PM »
At some point in the early Fall of 1970 (I think), Dan made Lela Swift the producer of the show. So, she was producing it and directing it. In terms of the production context of DS, this meant that she also became the de facto head writer in terms of having the ability to dictate where storylines would go or how they would play out.

I think Kathy Resch and Marcy Robin wrote in an essay in an early PomPress book that the 1840 storyline was plotted during a two day "retreat" where Sam and Gordon and whoever else was writing the show were holed up trying to come up with something that could be produced with the limitations of the cramped studio space and small budget. The original plan had been for KLS to play Samantha but that was jettisoned because she decided to leave the show--she, like many other regulars, was working without a contract.

NOTHING about Judah and his resurrection was hinted at in ANY of the foreshadowing--I am not sure at what point they came up with that, but it may have been during this storyboarding session which must have taken place at some point in mid to late September of '70.... roughly 49 years ago now.

G.

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Current Talk '19 I / Re: Why We Hate Gerard
« on: September 13, 2019, 04:07:09 PM »
The 1840 storyline played out somewhat similarly to the 1897 one in terms of foreshadowing in "the present" that did not play out once everyone was back in 19th century times. In 1897, the discontinuity wasn't quite so blatant, in part because they spent eight months (or was it nine) moving through what they wound up with. Those in charge of the show simply presumed that the viewers at home wouldn't recall what had been shown during the lead-up in Dec. 1968-March 1969. In all fairness, they did try to explain some of the disparities, but at one point either Barnabas or Julia told one bewildered character "We can't answer ALL the questions now." And as usual when they told Professor Stokes or Maggie that they would "explain later"... they never did.

With 1840 it was a more compacted timeline that was complicated by some real life developments. David Henesy left the show, so the Tad character went off to boarding school or a relative's home (I can't recall which). Jonathan Frid ALMOST left. Grayson had to leave because of an in-law's death and I think she had minor plastic surgery at one point. But she did come back.

Fans were following all of it really closely and it was glaringly obvious to those of us watching that the various "clues" about the Java Queen, Rose Cottage, Gerard and Daphne's shipboard romance, etc. formed a trail that led to precisely nothing once everyone had arrived in 1840.

G.

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Apparently, there were Leviathans on Supernatural. Maybe the new DS is going to be set up as a Supernatural spinoff. Seems highly plausible.

Remember, you read it here first.

G.

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I apologize to the moderators for how many times variations on the word "eye" appeared in my post.

G.

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If they're eyeing it as a replacement for Supernatural, I predict that the story will focus on teenage versions of Barnabas and Quentin, frequently eyeing one another with smolderingly slashy ambiguous eyes while shirtless and damp from their exertions trying to banish this week's MonsterCurseMemeHorror that will SPELL DOOM FOR THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.

It will be fun!

cheers, G.

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Thanks for looking that line up, MB! I do remember that scene now, but it's so long since I last watched those shows that I don't recall the line at all. I'm sure Grayson had fun with that bit of dialogue.

G.

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Very interesting! Thanks!

G.

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Whether or not he "needs" to be a part of it, I don't think it would fly at all with the network or the backers without Barnabas.

I mean, to 99 percent of the population, DS WAS Barnabas Collins, full stop.

One reason why the show was canceled in the first place is that Frid no longer wanted to play Barnabas--or at least, did not want to play him as a vampire. I think Dan Curtis was ready to move on in any event but Frid's decision must have been a big factor in realize they'd reached the end of the line with it.

G.

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I actually watched a few episodes of THE WONDER YEARS back when it was on, and I thought it was a really well done show. Of course I have no idea what calibre Mr Perry's more recent work has shown. I did think his comments in that press release were thoughtful and on a hopeful track, and that wasn't just because he quoted Grayson (I actually don't recall her saying that line on the show).

G.

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I finally watched the entire third arc all the way through last year, in the Spring. I enjoyed it, but some of the Harding Lemay scripts were so awful. One of the worst was maybe 2 or 3 weeks before the end. Cosette Lee obviously needed to take some time off, so Lemay wrote this scene where Raxl became invisible. It was never explained or accounted for and after that episode, she simply did not show up until somebody (I think Jacques, possessing Jean Paul) "summoned" her to return. When she reappeared everything that had happened to her during the preceding one to two months had been wiped out and she was back to being utterly EEE-vil.

It made no sense at all, but Cosette played it all with ferociously committed elan. I think I only like the series so much because I enjoyed Colin Fox and Cosette in their roles, hugely. I don't think most people care for any of it very much. I noticed when Danny Horn did a week about SP, he despised Raxl and Cosette's performance. I figured he would not get very far with it given that he did not care for her work on the show.

G.

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And a Hello to VictoriaWintersFan--I've been on the board since its inception, as is the case for most of the few people who still post regularly on here.

G.

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Mark Perry (if I've got the name right--I am not familiar with his work, because as we all know, I live in a cave) has the good taste to quote Grayson Hall. He gets a Steve merit badge for that.

Let's be real--whether the series appeals to old guard fans or not is a fairly minor point in the greater scheme of things. I don't know what the target demographic of commercial TV is now, but I'd guess the most important market share now is around 15 to 35 year olds. If a significant share of that group doesn't tune in, the show is unlikely to last long. It's the CW again and I for one will be surprised if it airs at all, but who knows.

If DS takes off the way recent cult shows such as American Horror Show and Sabrina have done, then it could go gangbusters. One way those shows succeeded was by doing shorter seasons of only 10 or so episodes at a time, and I'd think the same will be true of the new DS if it is ordered to series. Just seems to be how the decision-making players run the game now.

G.


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I may have posted this link before--this is a cool edit Curt did of the first three shows. Each show is complete but he segued them together to make a faux "pilot."

What makes this of special interest is that the version of episode 1 here came from a copy of an original videotape issued for syndication, and it includes some footage that was trimmed in the version eventually released to VHS, and then subsequently shown on the "Drive-In Classics" channel.

Among the new footage are some shots of the original Dan (played here by Paul Harding) entering his office building--this sequence was shot at the actual studio offices of CJOH in Ottawa, which was the studio that produced the show under the auspices of Steve Krantz/Vikoa. Dan's office where he meets Alison later in this show was actually a boardroom where the network directors met.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2MIM-m_M2w&t=2856s

G.

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Thanks, Uncle Roger and Doctor and K9. The entire series used to be on Youtube but the final 13 weeks (episodes 136-195) are missing now, or were the last time I checked.

I love the characters of Vangie and Erica in the first 13 week storyline. In the second storyline, I think Irene and Laslo who are the main villains are a hoot. When they bring Tudi Wiggins back in an "is she or isn't she Erica?" storyline, it really is rather reminiscent of Angelique on DS.  The best scripts in the series show up in that second arc and were the work of one Cornelius Crane (which may have been a pseudonym--nobody knows) and Ron Sproat, who wrote the only really good scripts in the third arc. After a few weeks past episode 136, Harding Lemay (who went on to great fame in one of the prominent mainstream US network soaps) took over writing ALL the scripts--so it ended as it began, with one person writing all of it. And the plotting and writing really went downhill, though there were some good moments because of the actors. Cosette Lee, who played Raxl, really knew how to shred scenery in fine style. I adore her.

Best, Gothick

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