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Are we down-hearted?  NO!

*Happy days are here again...*

Singing, G.

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Do we know if the cruise is going to be the only event being sponsored by the DS Festival in 2013?

I'm really wondering if this cruise is planned as, perhaps literally, a swan song for the Festival.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: A real life Sandor Petofi!
« on: November 20, 2012, 11:42:24 PM »
According to Violet Welles in that one interview that was done with her, she created the character of Count Petofi.  She wrote him into a scene where Magda was explaining to Sandor about the curse she was going to lay on Quentin and how she had seen it done to Count Petofi. At a story conference, someone, maybe Dan, suggested making the character more of the story.

The name Rakosi also exists in history.  I have a vague memory of this having been an alias of the infamous Count Saint Germain (whose legend was most likely the real inspiration for Count Petofi on DS, and most likely via the celebrated film, The Queen of Spades), but Wikipedia has an entry on Matyas (Matthias) Rakosi, the "de facto ruler of communist Hungary," in the 1950s.
G.

G.



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Was it an old commercial, Annie?  From what I have heard, Diana is completely retired now.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Sex in the Shadows
« on: November 19, 2012, 02:47:42 PM »
Thanks, Midnite!

hugs, Gothy

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 II / Re: Dank Shadows
« on: November 19, 2012, 12:26:05 AM »
Hey Quentin, I definitely enjoyed this series.  I posted about it a couple of times but there wasn't much response.  The humor obviously isn't to everybody's taste but I thought it was really quite funny.  There were a couple of misfires but you are quite correct in saying they really know the ins and outs of the series.

I would love to see them do more, but I would guess that after 30 episodes, they all felt ready to move on to other projects.  Who knows, perhaps they'll go back and do more at some point.

Carnabas's lounge lizard look in the final episodes reminded me of Jerry Lewis in the "Nutty Professor" when he transformed into a similar personality--Buddy Love or something was the name?

Lots of fun in-jokes and references to explore in this one.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Sex in the Shadows
« on: November 18, 2012, 10:53:16 PM »
Wow, I'd love to see a caligulan orgy in the drawing room.  What a hoot!  It would be interesting to see just what would happen to some of the ladies' elaborate hairpieces. It's shown a number of times that the women who live at Collinwood go to bed wearing their high heels.

Dark Lady, alas I can't read the part of your post where you are responding to me.  I don't know if it's because I'm on a Mac or just what, but the whole text is blocked out in white and clicking or highlighting on it doesn't help.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: American Horror Story
« on: November 18, 2012, 04:54:28 PM »
I haven't been watching, but it does sound like fun.

G.

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Still haven't seen Depp Shadows so I can't comment.  I wonder how fair it is though, to compare two movies where one was thrown together after a couple of months of scriptwork and prep with a six week shooting schedule and a pretty small budget while the other one was filmed over--was it three, or four months?--with millions poured into it, very expensive art direction and FX, yadda yadda.

As Gerard says... apples and oranges.

H.

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michael, you needed to fix Tracy with a frigid glare and intone, "Did you EVER stop to think that perhaps you don't belong here?"

(A line Grayson/Carlotta has in the movie, in a scene with Jackson/Tracy)

I still remember a dream I had of being at Collinwood when the show was originally on.  This would have been in the late Sixties.  I remember being very happy to be there but then I started to worry whether "the vampires" would get me...

cheers, G.

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I finally caught sight of one of these yesterday, on a visit to the massive Back Bay Newbury Comics store.  The cover portrays Barnabas and Vampi sharing an intimate moment.  Barnabas looks a little like Frank Langella and a little like Ben Cross--the result could almost make one think of ... Bert Convy.  That was unexpected.

I had a quick flip through it and it really did not seem like my cup of tea.  Did the label abandon the original DS book altogether now?

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Sex in the Shadows
« on: November 18, 2012, 03:24:13 PM »
michael, the kind of thing you mention was, from what I have been able to figure out over the years, largely controlled not by the writers or producers, but by an office at the network that, if memory serves, bore the name "Standards and Practices."

I've just pulled out my copy of a book entitled "Dark Shadows: the introduction of Barnabas," a fan publication from 1988.  I was fortunate enough to be able to secure a copy when I first found the organized fandom in the early 1990s. (I may even have purchased it at New York's Forbidden Planet!)  On p. 132 there is a photostat (for you youngsters, that's sort of like a scan) of a memo headed ABC Dept. of Broadcast Standards and Practices, Eastern Division--New York.  I don't have the energy to type out the entire text, but the memo seems to imply that the script AND videotape for every episode of DS had to pass review by this office--essentially, an internal censorship board the network ran.  The photostat gives approval, with the proviso that corrections or suggestions as outlined be adopted, for the script, and mentions a screening report that would be issued once "the finished film" had been submitted for review.  (I frankly doubt whether the office had time to screen every episode of DS before it went out for broadcast, particularly on weeks when the schedule got tight between taping and broadcast, but who knows.)

This memo contains the often-quoted notation:  "Please ensure that Jason's wisecracks [to Willie, in a scene at the Old House] about 'light housekeeping' and 'the lady of the house,' as addressed to Willie are delivered so that there is no insinuation that Jason suspects a sexual relationship between Willie and Barnabas."  (One wonders if they were aware that many fans have seen the whole Jason/Willie thing as a thinly veiled sexual "friendship" with what appear to be bondage undertones!)

You can really tell that things have changed with what they were allowed to get away with, with the Yeagar character's Maggie obsession in 1970 and how Yeagar "expressed" it onscreen, and then the most dramatic change of all, when [spoiler]characters played by Jonathan Frid and Lara Parker actually went to bed almost in camera view, in circumstances that imply a rape (or at least some heavy coercion), in the PT1841 sequence.[/spoiler]  I don't know what the status of script review by the S&P office was at that point.

All this notwithstanding, speculation about hanky-panky between various characters is a lot of fun, and I'm enjoying this thread.  I also love it in 1970 when Carolyn informs anyone who cares to listen that "hypocrisy above all is the Collins family motto"--a great moment, in a GREAT storyline *wink*.

Cheers,

GothEEK

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Testing. 1, 2, 3... / Re: Posting Problem
« on: November 16, 2012, 04:43:42 AM »
The same thing has happened to me maybe 3 or 4 times over the years.  Most times when it happens, I just decide to take a break from the boards for awhile.  If I still feel moved to post again next time I'm on, I rewrite it.  Otherwise, I just let it slide.

Given how many posts I've made here, it's really a pretty low rate of incidence--less than one percent.  So I just take it as something that goes with the territory.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Mysteries of the Real Life Collinsport
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:55:56 PM »
Hi Retzev, I guess you missed the latest discussion of this in the Malcolm Marmorstein thread.  Quoting MB's Oct. 31st post there (I apologize for not using the site's copy and paste software--I looked for it but couldn't find it):

As for the actual creation of Barnabas on paper before Frid was cast, that honor would seem to go to Art Wallace. Robert Costello has said that Wallace created the character and came up with the whole backstory connecting him to Josette and Jeremiah, and that that backstory is what they went with during the entire '67 present day storyline (until it was completely thrown out the window during the 1795/96 storyline). And, well, there's also how Wallace's law suit against DC for a share of the profits from all the Barnabas/DS merchandise was settled in Wallace's favor - and that wouldn't have happened if Wallace hadn't had a provable claim to Barnabas. (end quote)

I don't know anything more about this event other than what MB has shared in this, and previous posts.  Art Wallace's success in this suit is the reason why Wallace gets a credit every time another redaction of DS hits the screens.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Mysteries of the Real Life Collinsport
« on: November 15, 2012, 02:57:05 PM »
Pace the whole Barnabas snarl, it would really help if we could see whatever it was that Art Wallace produced as an outline or treatment that led to his victory in the court case MB has mentioned.

I have never heard or seen any material on the case beyond what's been presented here on the Forum, so I don't have a clue.

It may be that Wallace wrote a treatment for "Jared Collins" appearing as a "cousin from England" ... and the name for the vampire was eventually chosen/changed in the meeting Bob Costello remembers.

I doubt whether anyone other than Dan Curtis or Art Wallace (but only after the court case) made much money off of their work on the Barnabas character. 

G.

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