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2056
According to the traditional definition, series canon consists *only* of material broadcast as part of the run of the show.  *All* material not originally broadcast, including the Ken Bald and Gold Key comics, is its own canon, as are the redactions from 1991, 2004, and 2012.

I'm not even sure all the Big Finish stories are trying to fit into the same canon.  Frankly, the only one I listened to in its entirety may have had the same actors, but the characters spoke and acted like people completely different from the ones I had gotten to know through original series canon.

Just providing the traditional view--of course you can choose to slice it as you prefer.

Best, Gothick

2057
I tolerate a lot of nonsense in the 1968 era for the sake of such delicious moments as:

Cassandra's showdown with Liz: "Do you know what your problem is?"  I still can't believe that that line was scripted AND delivered.

Any scene involving Nicholas and Julia.

Barnabas taunting Cassandra as "Angelique" and her inevitable response:  "Don't call me that!"

Mrs. Johnson telling Nicholas she fears the Collins family is under a curse... and Mrs. Johnson reading Harry the riot act. LOL!

Tom and Julia.

Vampilique and her various schemes.  (I really felt for her when Nicholas stopped her from goin' down on that hunky cop... CHOMP!)

I could go on, but these are just some of the gems that always make me look forward to visiting the 1968 period.

I also find the scene where Maggie tries to talk Joe into leaving town to be a surprisingly poignant moment... it definitely looks back to the period when Collinsport was just a troubled small town... not a Hellmouth-in-training.

G.

2058
MB, I love Eve too.  Marie is just so compulsively watchable as the character, and the idea of this artificially created woman whose personality is some 18th century mass murderess sashaying around the estate in an evening gown and high heels is just so outrageous.  I would have liked the character better though [spoiler]had they not introduced that ghastly thing about her following Peter Bradford to the ends of the earth.  UGH! [/spoiler]

I also don't agree with those who think of the entire 1968 storyline as a trainwreck.  I think every storyline has its shining moments and its unsatisfying passages.  1968 WAS more extreme than anything that had gone before, but it also produced some elements that were IMO *better*--one some level--than anything that had gone before.

I'd still argue that the original 1967 Laura Collins storyline is probably THE narrative high point of the series--as STORYTELLING. 1897 was probably the best in terms of all the characters and different threads that were interwoven.  Parallel Time 1970 had the fun of the murder mystery and some great roles for Edmonds, Hall, Thayer, etc.  And so on and so forth...

anyhow I'm going WAYYY off thread here... expecting a wrist slap...

cheers,  G.

2059
Current Talk '21 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: May 15, 2013, 08:01:00 PM »
I was able to play that clip you posted just now.  I think I missed the point, but then, I always get distracted by how much like Nancy Barrett Eva Green looks as "Angie."  I always wonder if that was intentional.  Probably not, since I have never seen anyone else comment upon the resemblance, so, like so much else these days, it must all be in my own mind.

I also don't remember the tea with the tuna line.

Fun stuff!

G.

2060
Current Talk '21 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: May 15, 2013, 04:47:19 AM »
I couldn't get the box to go from solid to revealing whatever it concealed.  I'll try on my office pewter which has Windows.  For some reason certain features don't seem to work with Safari...

G.

2061
No matter how well (and how long!) the Burton-Depp Shadows redaction performed at the box office, I would bet you dollars to doughnuts that there are a lot of individuals walking around Tinseltown who, if the topic even ever comes up, angle their noses into the air and sniff, "Oh yeah, Dark shadows--another flop for Tim and Johnny."  As I've commented in a number of posts before (and I apologize for the repetition), there is a cabal in H'wood that wants Burton to fail.  I don't know what people think about Depp at this point (I saw a tabloid in the grocery store two days ago with a screaming headline about Depp "marrying" a very young looking woman who I presume is somebody other than his current wife--but I haven't been keeping up).  The Disney Lone Ranger thing looks as if it is already damaging Depp's credibility in certain circles even though the studio and Depp have done what they could to forestall such things.

I think a Shadows project focused around Quentin would be fabulous, particularly one set in the 1890s with a potential steampunk styling.  Meryl Streep would make a fabou Magda (see post in another board about Streep's Graysonesque appearance in August: Osage County). My personal choice would be Tom Hiddleston for Quentin--he's playing a vampire in the new Jarmusch film...

cheers, G.

2062
Current Talk '13 I / Re: Too Stiff(?) (no double entendres!!)
« on: May 12, 2013, 03:26:12 PM »
lol, thinking about what MB has reported about how DC insisted on directing Ben Cross in those "snarling Barn" scenes, I now think of Cross as DC's "snarlin' darlin'" (shades of Penny Dreadful!).

G.

2063
Well, I for one still love Vicki's original 1966 train ride the best, particularly her conversation with the gossipy old biddy.  I wish I could remember the actress's name.  What a hoot.

I thought having Nights in White Satin play over the 1972 "Victoria"'s journey was a stroke of genius, particularly in retrospect upon learning her backstory--though sadly I doubt there were any accoutrements of white satin in the place she was journeying from, but as a trope for a certain mental state... genius.

I only wish the remainder of the movie had lived up to that moment.  For me it did not.  The Liz/Julia deleted scene was a painful reminder of what this movie *could have been*--I'll stop here because it's all been said before.

I am glad there are fans out there like Gerard who worship every moment of the Depp/Burton movie.  It's always nice to see folks taking joy in things.

G.

2064
Calendar Events / Announcements '13 I / Re: Dracula Movies
« on: May 12, 2013, 02:17:46 AM »
Hi Patti, I re-watched this movie a few months ago, and I think it's meant to be sometime in the 19th century.  I think the coffin that was robbed actually had dates from the 17th-18th centuries on it.  The movie is meant to be a direct sequel and continuation of Dracula, Prince of Darkness (really a much better movie IMO), at the end of which [spoiler]Dracula, who is supposed to have a traditional aversion to running water, is trapped under ice in the moat outside his own castle.[/spoiler]

There are a number of "rules" given about vampirism in this one that don't apply in the other ones--the most egregious is the notion that somebody has to say prayers when a vampire is destroyed, or else it doesn't work.  Huh?

Best, G.

2065
Current Talk '21 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: May 11, 2013, 05:39:40 PM »
Impressive and intriguing.  Thanks, Midnite & MB!

Presumably after viewing the cut Depp delivered, the suits mandated cuts to remove material that did not impact directly on the Barnabas/Angelique narrative, because once Barnabas arrives at Collinwood, in the regular release print that's what we get.

Thanks for including these deleted scenes.  You already know my thoughts, so I won't repeat them.

G.

2066
Fans, I saw a thumbnail shot of Meryl Streep on the hyperlink for this new (not yet released) movie, August: Osage County, and I thought I was looking at Grayson in hoDS!  Streep's vocal performance has nothing Graysonesque about it, but she is seen in the trailer not only with the hair, but sporting big funny sunglasses (a Grayson trademark) and in one scene smoking with what seems like a distinctly Graysonesque mannerism.

Just makes me wonder... (I do realize that I am a little too obsessed with Grayson at times...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hd_uO72h1s

cheers, G.

2067
Current Talk '21 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: May 10, 2013, 03:37:00 AM »
I am quite curious about this scene, but I just checked Youtube, and there's no sign of it on there.  Pity.

G.

2068
Current Talk '21 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: May 08, 2013, 08:59:37 PM »
It's too bad this scene, and anything else involving Pfeiffer and HBC, hasn't been made more widely available.

I do not mean to be unkind, but ANY scene without Depp and Green in that film is automatically more interesting and nuanced than scenes with one, the other or both of the terror tots--something about them just seemed to push Burton to go not just over the top, but, in the words of the much lamented Ralph Kramden, "To the Moon, Alice!"

G.

2069
Lydia, I'm dying here!

Thanks for the laugh.

G.

2070
Oh Gawd.  Parker's writing a Vicki Winters backstory?  Ugh. 

*headdesk*

G.

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