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1801
Thanks, MB.  That certainly sounds like an interesting role for Bates--and grisly, too!

Given that the subtitle is "Coven," I do wonder if there will be Witchiness involved...

G.

1802
I have zero interest in seeing Moretz do Carrie.  Had Kathy Bates been cast in the Piper Laurie role, that would have made me curious to see it.  Bates is one of the few really skilled actresses working today (though we seem to see her very seldom--wonder if she's on television now?).

Had the movie been made in Europe, there would have been no fuss about a seventeen year old being nude.  But we live in this delightfully neurotic country where dreadful physical mutilations occur routinely onscreen in loving slo-mo and extreme close-up, but we're still treating the unclothed human body as "dirty."  SIGH.

OK, time for me to take a break... I'm sure the movie will be a huge success for Moretz.  At this point there seems to be no stopping her.

G.

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Current Talk '13 II / Re: Wolf Moon Rising novel
« on: September 02, 2013, 03:52:19 PM »
Even though original cast members have done some of the audio dramas, the first one which is the only one I have heard in entirety just did not work for me as a "continuation" of the original series.  I found the dialogue and characterizations too different from how the characters/personalities were established in the OS.  I'm particularly remembering a scene between Maggie and Willie at the Blue Whale and a couple of later ones with Quentin and Angelique.  The dialogue just felt really off key and jarring to me.

I am a writer (of sorts) and very sensitive (maybe overly so) to the textures of words and the nuances of characterizations.  Why I consider DS my all time favorite show is because the characterizations were so exquisitely nuanced and theatrically presented in the unfolding story.  Granted, even the OS had its speed bumps--I mentioned in the episode discussion a couple of episodes where I felt Julia was behaving and speaking completely out of character.  It was Grayson Hall in a show produced in 1968 or whenever but I just felt as if something wasn't right there.  Not to belabor but I guess it stuck out because by and large, the OS writing, even when it had severe continuity problems, DID have consistent writing for the characters. 

This kind of thing is very subjective.  But at one point in time, the definition of canon for TV shows was really simple. Anything that was aired, original broadcast content, was canon.  Period.  Fanfic, novelizations, tie-ins etc. have a relationship but aren't canon.  Film versions are their own canon.  I definitely think this about Serenity, the film that spun off from the Joss Whedon FIREFLY series (just to give a more recent example).

cheers, G.

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I don't "campaign against" anything.  But if I think material with the DS logo has crap content, you can bet your dollars to doughnuts I'm going to say so.

I don't see why being a fan means we have to be yes men to everything produced with the logo. 

Back in the early Seventies I kept buying the Gold Key comics as long as they were available in my area--same with the Marilyn Ross "novels"--despite the awful artwork and scripts that had at best only a peripheral relationship with ANYTHING in the original series. (At least the Ross "books" had great photo covers.) I was starved for DS stuff at the time.  In 2013, that's no longer the case and I don't see why I should bother buying material so poorly written, the last issue of the comic I purchased went straight into the recycling bin five minutes after I finished reading it.

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '19 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: September 02, 2013, 03:19:12 PM »
It's really too bad these scenes were cut.  I don't know how much I missed since I was away and offline starting last Wed. (28th), but this capture and the one for today again makes me think of just how good this movie COULD have been,  And that's all I have to say at this point.

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '13 II / Re: Wolf Moon Rising novel
« on: August 28, 2013, 04:51:38 AM »
I've stated my own views about "canon" a few times here.  As far as I am concerned, Return to Collinwood is not canon.  Period. 

I learned the hard way because for the longest time, I regarded Sam Hall's early 1970s TV Guide article as canon.  It was MB who finally made me realize that while I could enjoy the article for what it was, what is was not was part of the DS canon.

The idea of people treating the Lara Parker novels as canon... well, it's a free country, at least where speculation about Dark Shadows is concerned.

G.

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Current Talk '13 II / Re: Wolf Moon Rising novel
« on: August 28, 2013, 03:12:46 AM »
Actually LP had long periods of hiatus from the show.  Despite what I think of her as a writer, I always found the show more lively and fun when she was on.

And I'll also say in her favor, that at least Parker markets her work as fiction.  There's a high imaginative content, for lack of a better phrase, in the KLS books, but she sells those as if they're historical documentations of the series and its production history.

G.

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Current Talk '13 II / Re: Wolf Moon Rising novel
« on: August 28, 2013, 03:09:28 AM »
"Parker didn't do her research"--thanks, Joey, for that laugh.  I needed it tonight.

cheers, Gothick

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Current Talk '19 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: August 27, 2013, 10:28:15 PM »
I just re-read the original list of spoilers posted (I think it's topic 2 in the spoilers thread) and only a couple of them happen to be stuff that happened or was featured in the completed film. 

Anne Rice's cameo is alluded to.  I don't recall seeing her in the completed cut but she might have been present at the ball sequence. 

An odd line is about seeing some very familiar artwork hanging at Collinwood.  I wonder if this was meant to mean the series of swag portraits of herself Angie had done through the centuries.  I presume those portraits were done via CGI but then again, knowing Burton, maybe he had them done for real.

The idea that Magtoria was [spoiler]a student of the occult who came to Collinwood because of her studies[/spoiler] seems to have been a complete red herring.

G.

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Current Talk '19 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: August 27, 2013, 09:35:35 PM »
The spoilers from the John August script--you may never have read those, MB--included the note that Julia and Angelique hated one another for reasons that had nothing to do with Barnabas.  I hardly consider that comment a spoiler--more like a teaser--but then, some people have odd notions (odd to this writer, at least) as to what constitutes a spoiler.

Those spoilers were so off-the-wall in some cases in terms of what actually happened in the completed film that they must either have been based on an early draft of August's script--or been completely fabricated.  I have speculated that the fabrication might have been a deliberate act of disinformation by person or persons unknown.

Best,  G.

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Current Talk '19 I / Re: And Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: August 27, 2013, 08:05:53 PM »
Today's image reminds me of a question whose answer I couldn't figure out from my one viewing of the film.

Magtoria's childhood incarceration at Windcliff Sanitarium has zero to do with Julia, right?  The fact that the van says Windcliff is just a nod to fans?

I don't remember any dialogue from the film where Julia or Liz speak of Windcliff, and I'm presuming that in this DS-verse, Julia has no connection with the sanitarium.

Am I right?

G.

1812
And needless to say, best wishes to John Karlen as he continues on his road back to health/wellness!

G.

1813
I understand how you feel, Gerard, but so far as I am aware, Jim Pierson actually works for Dan Curtis Productions (or whatever it's called now) as a paid employee.

I love the books I catalogue (well, some of them *wink*) for the large University library that employs me, but I'm "in it for the money" because if I don't get paid, I can't provide for myself and keep it all going.

Just a thought.

G.

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Current Talk '13 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0525
« on: August 24, 2013, 03:34:28 AM »
I love Humbert Allen Astredo, and the 1968 Nicholas is my all time favorite Astredo performance. 

dom, I always thought that Cassandra was returned to Hell as a result of Trask's incantations (ridiculous though the idea seems on paper) because she had no actual mortal existence in 1968.  She was a displaced spirit who had a "body" that existed as a result of Witchcraft.  How or why the antics of a ghostly Elmer Gantry type could have any effect whatsoever in casting out such a powerful spirit whose magic, as she frequently told us, "came from the Devil himself," is never made clear.  My own glint of an idea is that because Trask came from the same era when Angelique (in the ORIGINAL storyline, not the subsequent revisions) had her mortal existence, that fact gave him the power to return her spirit to the darkness from which it had come.

I'll really have to re-watch to spot the pornographic antics between Roger Davis and Joel Crothers you mention...

So pleased you are enjoying Humbert and Nicholas!  He's a strong part of why 1968 is my forever personal favorite storyline.

G.


1815
I missed Philippe's earlier update in July, but I am glad to see that his convalescence has been going well and he has been able to make some contact with friends.

Offering prayers for a full return to health and a safe, smooth, timely convalescence.

G.

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