I was thinking about bathrooms at Collinwood for some reason today and I realized that in hoDS, there is a scene where Carolyn has just come out of a bathroom, presumably one equipped with a shower, if I recall correctly.

Granted, the bathroom wasn't actually SHOWN.

G.

Glad to see the '04 slideshow is starting up again!  I'll enjoy reading at least some of it once again.

If you do have time to write about the changes in how the final scene wound up being shot and edited, I would be interested to read that.

Happy 2015!

G.

Thanks again, MB.  I look forward to your summary of the pilot finale sequence, which really did not work for me, though all I can recall is one image.

This has been a fantastic ride!  Thanks to yourself and all others involved in making this happen.

Best,

G.

Burton mentions Depp Shadows and his personal explanation for why it was perceived as a failure here.  (I haven't played the interview, but there's a post about it today on the Collinsport Historical Society site that summarizes Burton's comments.) 

It's interesting to me because he seems to acknowledge here that the film failed--artistically, at least:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/interview-tim-burton-talks-making-big-eyes-going-digital-the-disturbing-process-of-alice-in-wonderland-more-20141218?page=2

G.

Gerard, I love your story.  Beautiful concept.

Thinking about the character of Vicki I sort of feel that the character never really existed in the DS Universe after 1968. In both the 1991 and 2004 Shadows iterations, she's the actual reincarnation of Josette (this is certainly heavily implied in the scene MB is showing us now from 2004).  In the Burton/Depp film, Vicki truly doesn't exist; the name is only an alias.

There was something very special about the character of Vicki during the first year of the series.  I'm very grateful that we now have the episodes from that period to enjoy and contemplate the true beginnings of our beloved story.

G.

There's a DS wiki that might have a topic about the Innovation Comics for the 1991 series.  They might offer synopses there.  I didn't read every issue but I vaguely recall a panel where Liz was reflecting that Vicki was really her own daughter.

Despite all that's been said, I feel the need to repeat that in the original 1960s series, the idea that Liz was Vicki's daughter was most likely a red herring (as we used to say).  I personally prefer thinking of Vicki as being the child of Liz because of the chemistry onscreen between the two and some of the dialogue that the scripts gave them. Also, Vicki was much more solicitous of Liz during the first two years than Liz's own acknowledged daughter, Carolyn.

There are various theories of who Vicki's parents were but the most likely are that she was Paul's child by another woman (I personally suspect Betty Hanscombe, but another fan firmly ruled that out; can't recall why).  There's no doubt that Alex posed for the portrait of Betty displayed in some 1966 episodes.  Amusingly, the portrait shows up later on in a 1967 or '68 episode in Sam's studio.

G.

There's a link on YT for this episode (Grayson's Route 66 show), but it's on a channel called Shout Factory TV and an adult check request comes up (for reasons that baffle me):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16NRNgrlAZY

I guess if you're set up for Adult Check, you can log in and watch it.

Don't know if it might be on Hulu or other venues.  The title is, "Follow the white dove with the broken wing."

G.

In today's shot from the movie, is that Naomi's portrait weeping tears of blood behind BarnaDepp?  That's actually pretty cool.

G.