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Calendar Events / Announcements '15 II / Happy Birthday Grayson Hall!
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:39:54 PM »
Sept. 18 was the late Grayson Hall's birthday.  She would have been 93 or 94, most likely (she practically made a separate career out of keeping her age a secret).

Besides her fab work on our show, Grayson is remembered for her Academy Award (tm) nominated role in NIGHT OF THE IGUANA.  Fans also fondly cherish her work in SATAN IN HIGH HEELS, the TV movie GARGOYLES, a recurring role as Euphemia Ralston on ONE LIFE TO LIVE, and roles in the two DS feature films.

Quiet please, there's a lady onstage.

G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: Laura 1785/1897
« on: September 18, 2015, 10:30:42 PM »
The real reason for the curse on the family had nothing to do with the house.  It was Angelique.

I really don't care for the revised history of the core narrative unveiled in the 1840 storyline.  But I guess, Lela, who was running the show at that point, felt they had to go somewhere different.

G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: 1970PT Watching Project Addendum Revisited
« on: September 17, 2015, 10:09:48 PM »
A complaint I have about PT 1970 (a storyline I really love, btw), is that PT Liz was originally given outdated sweaters and off the rack skirts to wear.  Very mousy and dowdy. When she "came back" from her "rest," she was back to the standard issue "Elizabeth Collins Stoddard, Lady of the Manor" wardrobe.  And the dialogue about her anxieties when Quentin was late with her monthly check also disappeared.

G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: 1970PT Watching Project Addendum Revisited
« on: September 16, 2015, 02:33:41 AM »
According to the episode guide compiled by Ann Wilson in the 35th Anniversary Edition of DS Memories, the PT 1970 Costume Ball sequence was taped over 5/21 and 5/22.  I think the film shoot had already wrapped some weeks previous to that.

G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: Murky/Inaccurate Memories...?
« on: September 15, 2015, 04:33:41 PM »
1966 Roger in the original series was intended by Art Wallace to be the villain in the story, but his sinister nature was supposed to unfold gradually.  One thing 1966 Roger wasn't, was a womanizer.    I thought the 2012 Roger was like a caricature of the 1966 character, but I think there were a number of Roger scenes and moments that went into the cutting room bin due to the studio directives about the re-cutting of the picture.

Sarah wasn't a character in the 2012 redaction.  Barnabas had been born in England in that version.  Maybe Burton's attempt at a sly nod at the whole "cousin from England" business.

Are you thinking of Judah Zachary from the 1840/1692 storyline in your mention of Judah Macabee?  Judah was part of the revised Angelique origin story and her original name having been Miranda. (Even though the Countess told Vicki in 1795 that she had known Angelique as a child.)

 I'm really surprised Eva Green (whose PENNY DREADFUL series you really should check out) has reportedly signed to work with Burton again on a new project.  I thought she was given dreadful makeup and horribly mis-directed in Depp Shadows.  But, evidently, she was sincerely in saying in interviews that she loved working with Burton.  I hope this doesn't tank her career, which has had some speed bumps already.

G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: 1970PT Watching Project Addendum Revisited
« on: September 14, 2015, 10:34:24 PM »
They did often tape shows out of order.  In Thayer David's Spring 1969 radio interview, he refers to taping of shows having been re-scheduled from what had initially been posted.

A lot of the people on the show reportedly worked without contract, which may have had to do with juggling schedules if they chose to go off and do a play, as did happen with several of them from time to time.

G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: Conard Fowkes remembers Thayer David
« on: September 14, 2015, 02:09:35 PM »
Another memory of Thayer concerning his Down East accent in his Matthew Morgan role:

"A point-- he "wore," a mid-Atlantic accent, in real life and on screen. It sounds to an American like an English accent, but it's more theater than anything. Like a trained broadcaster's voice. However, when he was playing a native Mainer, his Maine accent was real. Although he was born outside of Boston, he spent a great deal of his young life in northern Maine, at his father's farm."

G.

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too bad he's shopping it to NBC.  That means it's automatically doomed.  Given their track record and inability to let our kind of shows build an audience.

Great photo of the Brides!  btw, the Hammer studios 1960 film BRIDES OF DRACULA is a totally awesome movie, even if the Count himself does not appear.  The Brides in that one have nothing to do with the Stoker characters.

G.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: September 13, 2015, 02:56:36 PM »
The Depp/Burton Shadows film was mentioned in a paragraph in a surprising context in a very short book I read sections of last week.  The book is a monograph on the Mario Bava classic BLACK SUNDAY from 1960 with Barbara Steele.  I think the author's name is Martyn Conterio but I don't really feel like looking it up on Amazon.  The book is in a series called Devil's Advocates, published in London by Auteur press; the series is supposed to be dedicated to re-examinations of classic horror films. 

In a penultimate chapter, the author discusses what he calls the "legacy" of the Bava film.  He mentions a couple of scenes in the Burton/Depp film as instances of Tim Burton's adulation of this movie and use of imagery from it in various films of his oeuvre.  SLEEPY HOLLOW (the Burton film) is also cited.  I remember he mentions the secret passage through the fireplace as one instance of influence or homage, and something about the scene where Elizabeth and Barnabas are together down in the catacombs as another. 

His discussion of the film and the sequences was done in a very flat, objective tone.  Nothing about how awful or scandalously bad it all was or any of the other rhetoric we've seen in various fannish discussion threads.  I'm not sure that the author is familiar with other avatars of Shadows.

Best,  G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Conard Fowkes remembers Thayer David
« on: September 13, 2015, 02:49:11 PM »
Dear Fans,

This lovely remembrance was posted on a Facebook group in honor of Thayer David.  It is run by a relative of Thayer's--his nephew, I think. I had never seen this particular note before:

Actor Conard Fowkes (Frank Garner, 1966) remembers Thayer David: "I loved being with those actors in the dressing room. The work was hard, but people like Thayer David, who was a real hoot, kind of a Sydney Greenstreet-like, very educated man, would sit in the makeup chair and he would pontificate. He would tell us meanings or derivations of certain words. I remember he did an entire piece on “hoist on your own petard” and where that came from. I won’t go into it because it’s slightly smutty… but it’s that kind of camaraderie that brings you close together.

Best, G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '15 II / Re: Penny Dreadful
« on: September 11, 2015, 03:16:56 PM »
For anyone who's been waiting, I checked Amazon last night and the PD season 2 DVD set is up for pre-order now.  Release date scheduled for Oct. 6.  I have put dibs on one for myself because I am really looking forward to seeing these.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '15 II / Re: John Connell 1924 - 2015
« on: September 11, 2015, 03:13:32 PM »
Thanks for this news.  I wouldn't have remembered him without the photos.  Was he the one in that scene set in the Phoenix morgue?  The set they built for that one scene was incredible.

G.

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These excerpts are fascinating, MB--and thank you for alerting us to the inclusion of unshot Julia scenes here, as I am afraid I have not been following this thread.

The most fascinating detail to me is that the descriptive phrases about Julia--classy English accent, exotic sensuous beauty--suggest that the role was WRITTEN with Barbara Steele in mind.

I know nothing of the production history or just when Steele was cast, so that's an intriguing concept for me to ponder (but have no way of pursuing further).

G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: Grant Douglas/Quentin Collins
« on: September 08, 2015, 03:30:04 PM »
In all fairness, whenever DC was in town, he DICTATED the storylines to the writers.  That's right, Dan Curtis was not only the producer, he was also the uncrowned head writer on the show.  There were longish periods when Dan was in England or elsewhere pursuing other projects and in those periods, the stories actually managed to make sense.  I think the first Laura Collins story (1966-67) was so well written because DC wasn't around to interfere--I believe he was in England throughout that period.

According to Sam Hall, if one of the writers tried to protest that what Dan ordered did not make sense, he would bark, "Are you writing the show or not?  I can get a lotta people to write this show."  So they would have to give in and do what he said, regardless of how loopy or incoherent.

In the final two to three years, the rhythm of the stories with all the cliffhangers and increasing avalanche of occulture meant that the writers themselves simply could not follow what was going on.  Add in the fact that many if not most of the shows were taped way out of sequence.

The reintroduction of Quentin in 1970 was purely driven by the character's huge popularity.  What I remember from what was revealed is that Frederick Thorne had been a previous alias adopted by Quentin before he assumed the Grant Douglas identity.  Immortals have to keep doing this because otherwise, people become curious why somebody that old still looks so young.  (It was before the invention of botox, guerilla plastic surgery, etc.)

cheers,  G.

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Current Talk '15 II / Re: Violet Welles interview in 1991 TWODS
« on: August 25, 2015, 03:36:31 PM »
There is but one god, and his name is Petofi.

G.

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