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Nancy,

Thanks for posting. Very interesting comments from Frid. Frid could not get away from the character of Barnabas because the audience would not accept him as anyone else. Barnabas became the focus of the show and anytime his role was diminished it was felt. Barnabas as a vampire was no longer needed, and in fact was gone for a while in the storyline. Julia and Barnabas became more heroic, more like Holmes and Watson, and that was not a bad idea. I think Frid made a mistake in that asking DC to eliminate the character of Barnabas from the series. Instead, he should have fought to keep Barnabas away from the "vampire bit" and try to develop the character in different ways. Perhaps he was too close to the series to understand the appeal of the character, why it was essential.

I do agree with him that there was a lot of repetition on the show and that had to have an effect on him. It obviously disturbed him that too many were taking it seriously and he did not want to be associated with those elements.

DS had a nice run and likely would have grown even more repetitive and dull if it had continued without a fresh injection of writers with new ideas. Its too bad Frid didn't get to do more on TV or movies, but he diversified, doing plays and seems to be content with his life. Good for him.           

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I was a wee lad of 11 who had been watching the show since sometime in 1967, when my cousin Mary Ann told my older brother, John, who she knew loved horror stiff, about the show. We got hooked watching it quickly, and one of my earliest memories is of Barnabas walling Trask up.

Something funny I recall about that time period. My brother and I were also big comic book fans, so every week we would buy our latest Marvel Comics. One day DS was on TV and I guess I was more enthused over the latest issue of Spider-Man and wasn't paying much attention to the show. My brother scolded me, saying something to the effect of: "Watch the show! You can always read the comics! You'll never see the show again!" Little did we know!

I have a memory that I knew about the last show. It had been a part of my childhood every day so  certainly missed it and was thrilled when they began to rerun it, first on NBC and later on the New Jersey Network. 

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I would have like to know what the writers came up after the 1841 Parallel Time. We have read about a possible return to 1971 where Liz and Roger finds out that Barnabas was a vampire and Julia travels to Asia to search for Adam. That would have been a great story.

It sounds like an interesting idea. The removal of Adam was very abrupt and it would have been interesting to present the return of an educated, scarless Adam, perhaps with the ability to assist Barn, Julia or Stokes in some supernatural dilemma (hmnnn...involved with Nicholas Blair, perhaps?).

As someone stated, many storylines were incomplete or abruptly ended to go on to another situation, which was unfortunate. A little more time to develop stories and characters would have been an asset.     

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Actors' reaction to different directors
« on: April 16, 2009, 07:00:38 PM »
A very interesting topic.  I'm sure the directors had different temperments and actors had their favorites. If Lela Swift wanted the actors to project "big", certain actors found that appealing. Dark Shadows was larger than life and a certain amount of theatricality was fine, but overdoing it, as Grayson Hall sometimes did, didn't work for me. 

As far as Joan Bennet goes, I agree with the general consensus that once BC came on board, and after the Jason storyline, her importance on the show diminished. More time was spent on the supernatural elements (and special effects) and she, as well as a few others, became props. The balance went in favor of those elements that were popular. Once we had time traveling vampires, ghosts, witches and werewolves, it was hard  to get into a meaty domestic situation.

Frid certainly was overworked with the show and promotional work and it showed at times. When he was good, he was very good (as Mae West used to say!).

     

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Bands on Dark Shadows
« on: March 04, 2009, 09:16:35 PM »
I think the Beatles and the Dave Clark Five would have been nice, although Bob the bartender might be a little square for that "modern" music. 

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Up to episode 91
« on: February 26, 2009, 03:55:40 PM »
Coming in a bit later I never know how nasty Willie was originally, nor the relationship between Carolyn with Burke and Joe. Watching these episodes in order now one gets a better understanding of continuity since these incidents were referenced from time to time. Vikki going to the past and being frightened by Ben, who she calls Matthew Morgan (who?) makes a lot more sense to me now! 

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Up to episode 91
« on: February 25, 2009, 08:39:52 PM »
They softened up all the characters later, didn't they? Neither David, Carolyn or Roger have many redeeming traits early on. I was surprised when I first watched these episodes for the first time how nasty they were, since I first started watching DS in its original run sometime after Barnabas appeared. I guess Roger was the worst of the lot in many respects, but this aspect of his personality was glossed over in later years. 

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Whatever Happened to Burke Devlin?
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:23:50 AM »
I lean towards believing it was not so much the show itself the disgruntled performers disliked as much as it was the set.  By chance, I wound up taking a class taught by DS director Peter Miner and he told me how horrible it was working on the DS production because the demands were unrealistic (demands by the Executive Producer), the pace was crazy and things were chaotic to the point it was difficult to work.  He made a point of saying that Frid and the other actors were a pretty good bunch to work with and it was the production end of the show that was more or less a miserable experience. 

Nancy,

I believe its been mentioned by a number of actors, including Frid, that the production and special effects got in the way of the actors learning their lines. The special effects took precedence over the story and acting, and that, IMO, was a mistake. A balance needed to be maintained, and that didn't always happen.


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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Whatever Happened to Burke Devlin?
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:19:22 AM »
I actually enjoyed his work as well, but as Jeremiah.  I think his more gentle approach worked better than if Mitch Ryan had done the part, making the character of Jeremiah more sympathetic and what happened between him and Barnabas more tragic.

I really liked Mitch Ryan as Burke, but after watching Anthony George again I've had second thoughts about his performance. His approach was different but he was likable.  I certainly would have prefered a return of Burke than the appearance of Peter Bradford.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Whatever Happened to Burke Devlin?
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:11:41 AM »
Having read a good deal of official and unofficial Dark Shadows history over the years, I have a short answer to why Burke was written out--Dan Curtis made up his mind that Burke had to go, and he went!  Anthony George probably asked for a raise, a surefire way to get Dan to give you the boot back in those "good old days."

The writers would protest that storylines and audience expectations were being disrupted, and Dan would narrow his eyes, angle his golf club, and ask "are you writing the show, or not?  I can get other people to write the show if you don't want to do it."

Gothick,

Thanks for the info. It makes sense as DC was the boss and he had final say, for better or worse. Thanks also for the Checkmate info, I'll be watching a few more.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Burke~~~~WTF????????
« on: January 30, 2009, 08:30:00 PM »
He wanted to jump-start his career, which had been languishing since the cancellation of his primetime series Checkmate.

BTW, Checkmate is out on DVD. I got the first season on Netflix and saw the first episode, although Anthony George was hardly in the story. From watching the first episode it doesn't look like its going to be a very good series. A better 1960's crime show was Arrest and Trial, featuring Ben Gazarra and Chuck Conners.   

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Whatever Happened to Burke Devlin?
« on: January 30, 2009, 07:44:40 PM »
Joeytrom,

No more apologies, I promise! I agree with many of your comments re: Burke. He was a good anchor for the show, although beginning with the 1795 storyline Barnabas became more sympathetic and later on became the hero of the series, along with Julia.   

There were many instances when it was apparent that the writers were stalling for time and of course, the boss, Dan Curtis, may have turned down some interesting storylines that the writers thought up.



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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Whatever Happened to Burke Devlin?
« on: January 30, 2009, 03:17:32 PM »
Midnite, I apologize for the error. I forget that there are some who may not have seen these episodes. You can certainly change the topic line. How about "Whatever Happened to Burke Devlin?"

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Current Talk '09 I / Whatever Happened to Burke Devlin?
« on: January 29, 2009, 09:17:23 PM »
I've always found the off screen killing of Burke very odd for a number of reasons. Apparently the writers didn't know what to do with Burke, but instead of having a final dramatic confrontation with Barnabas, he was killed in a plane crash. Story wise I think this was poor, since it seemed like a very convenient way to (perhaps they thought temporarily?) get rid of Burke. If I'm correct a new writer replaced Malcom Marmorstein around this period, Joe Caldwell, and that may have affected the change. Perhaps another reason was because Dr. Woodard was recently killed off, and they thought it would have been repetitive if Burke was done in the same way. Or, he was too well liked by the audience. Still, I think it would have been better to either keep Burke alive and remain a rival and potential trhreat to Barnabas or kill him off in a dramatic way.

The period following Dr. Woodard's death seemed particularly morbid, aside from the aging of Barnabas the writers seemed to be biding their time for the 1795 storyline.         

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Maggie Escapes
« on: December 23, 2008, 07:42:31 PM »
Early on the character of Barnabas became conflicted and not the typical monster. In the Jason storyline he takes an interest in his cousin Elizabeth's problems and offers assistance when she is prepared to jump from widow's hill. The introduction of Sarah helped to futher humanize him. It was a combination of the qualities of Jonathan Frid and the writers recognizing what they had to work with.   

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