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It'll be interesting to see how they're going to take another 1,000 page King epic novel and compress it into less than two hours.  They initially planned to do that with The Stand back in the 90's, and realized it couldn't be done, so it became a multi-episode TV mini-series.  I know this is heresy, but the cinematic version of The Shining was, to me, a disaster (even with "Heeeeere's Johnny!").  The made-for-TV mini-series re-imaging was far better; not perfect, but better.  King's brilliant works are difficult to adapt to celluloid.  His "shorter" endeavors, like Misery, or The Mist can easier translate. 

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: WB ORDERS FILMING OF NEW DS PILOT
« on: March 30, 2017, 12:46:01 AM »
When I watched what was on YT I thought HUH? I did not remember how it went on the audio but it seemed odd to me that Vicky awoke from a dream and met Carolyn, who was going out. This is Collinsport not NYC.  She did meet Joe instead of going to the Blue Whale, but why so late? Now it makes more sense.
I guess every small town has that one, hip place open all hours of the night.  In mine, it was Country Kitchens.  No bar, but the best burgers or egg-and-bacon breakfasts and the place was packed at 3:00 a.m.  The health authorities eventually had to shut it down.  Don't ask.

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: WB ORDERS FILMING OF NEW DS PILOT
« on: March 27, 2017, 11:15:51 PM »
I'm sure that it will shortly be pulled, as the PTB call out the lawyers (even though, as has been stated here, it's not the "full" version show at past festivals).  Again, may I ask why?  Why keep it from general audiences?  For what purpose?  It's not like it's going to make any money elsewhere.  It's almost 20 years old (well, give a few).  Putting it on DVD/Blu-Ray or whatever won't create a massive selling point of millions of customers.  I certainly won't pay $59.99 for a copy as much as I want to see it.  I don't want to see it that bad.  I've got lights to keep on.  What is it with these bigwigs?  Let it go for free on youtube and elsewhere.  It expands the market for the franchise.  Those who were in it or involved in it have moved on.  Probably most don't even remember their participation.  Those who are financially involved in DS somehow forget that only a growing market will keep the franchise alive and bring in the ca-ching.  And letting fans or whomever put stuff out there without any of the pennies going to the owners (especially you-know-who) is free advert.  The PTB (and especially you-know-who, even if he isn't involved in the '04 attempted reboot) are like bridezillas who expect everyone to give them a gift of hundreds of dollars to pay for the dry chicken or fishy salmon and the centerpieces with goldfish swimming about in water-filled jars with flowers sticking out.  Sorry, we ain't impressed.  No blender, toaster-oven, place-setting, statue-with-a-clock in its stomach, or check for you.  You spent the money.

Sorry for the rant, but you know me.

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: "Filthy" DS Topic
« on: March 19, 2017, 06:40:52 PM »
It is interesting, Gothic, that the one film Christina Crawford hates that her mother appeared in was Queen Bee, according to her autobiography Mommie Dearest.  She wrote that she was mortified while watching it on the big screen because the character portrayed by her mother was exactly the way she was in real life at home.

And you're right about Joan Bennett being probably the perfect fit for Elizabeth based upon her own career on stage and screen and the fact that she came from a family long established in the acting craft.  She stated in an interview (was it on The Dick Cavette Show?) that she was fortunate in being a "short-study," meaning she could learn and remember lines quickly, something required for filming five shows a week, one after another.  One could see on DS, if she blanked out, she knew how to incorporate it and improv if necessary, such as when she couldn't initially remember the name of the Brazilian city Belem.  And if a set blooper happened because some "stagery" went whoops! she just dealt with it such as, during the climactic scene of Carolyn screaming out "Mrs. Maguire!  Mrs. Maguire!" and Liz fled up the stairs, the door at the top got stuck.  She just pulled and pounded on it.  It was like the whole thing was almost scripted.  Many other actresses might've been unable to deal with these situations, and I think Crawford would've been the worst when "stuff happens."  Especially if she had a "Pepsi" just before going on the camera.

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: "Filthy" DS Topic
« on: March 18, 2017, 09:24:21 PM »
If Joan Crawford had been cast on DS in any capacity, I can just imagine how prominently Pepsi product placement would sneak its way into publicity pictures and maybe even into the program itself.
LOL, Uncle Roger!  Imagine, Roger would have to say as he held his sniffer:  "I'm having a brandy-and-Pepsi."  At the Blue Whale, customers would order a vodka-and-Pepsi. 

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: "Filthy" DS Topic
« on: March 18, 2017, 09:21:46 PM »
Lang in particular has had an incredibly successful second act in genre. 'Feud' certainly typifies that.

And to think Lange got her "start" in the horrible '76 remake of King Kong.  One would think it would've sunk her career.  But she gave her all and put in a top-notch performance in a simply dreadful film.  Because of her intensity to perform her highly talented craft, she survived and thrived.  It's like how BD and JC had to do the same thing in the "twilight" of their careers but reversed.

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: "Filthy" DS Topic
« on: March 18, 2017, 07:00:52 PM »
It's fortunate that Hollywood now treats its senior actresses with a bit more dignity, style and appreciation.  They aren't "cast" off when they hit 50 (for the most part).  That had been an issue in Glitter City, even back in the early 1950's among writers, producers, etc., with industry self-critical anti-ageist, anti-sexist classics like Sunset Boulevard and All About Eve.  Unfortunately, Hollywood while criticizing itself did not do anything about it.  By the '60's, grande dames like Crawford and Davis had to resort to being "hatchet hags" (I love that term!) to keep their careers alive and pay the bills.  Even though most of their horror-schlock films were less than B-grade level, they took their roles seriously showing their professionalism.  Davis seemed to do better with higher-quality (if, in some cases, only slightly) films such as WHTBJ, Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte (with another "grande dame" Olivia de Havilland taking over for Crawford's part after Crawford was fired) and the Hammer classic The Nanny.  And there was also Dead Ringer.  She also, ironically, was directed by Dan Curtis in Burnt Offerings.  While taking roles in horror-schlock, she still managed to remain in mainstream movies (and TV mini-series productions) that were straight-forward drama, including The Whales of August

Poor Crawford never was able to achieve the same.  Virtually everything she made, whether on film or on TV, was horror-schlock until the day she died.  Not to say some weren't good - her work in Eyes in the pilot of Rod Serling's Night Gallery directed by a young, unknown guy named Steven Spielberg was truly brilliant and critically acclaimed.  But even in the worst-of-worst, she always did her best and rose above the schlocky material.  In her last film, the simply awful Trog, her performance stood out.  While the critics justifiably pounded the movie, they were kind to Crawford's performance, saying it was the only good thing about it.

By the '70's, using the "senior" actresses in roles switched from horror to disaster.  Shelly Winters received an Oscar nomination for The Poseidon Adventure.  De Havilland appeared in Airport 77 and the really dreadful The Swarm.  Gloria Swanson played herself in Airport 75.  And Jennifer Jones returned to the screen after many years of absence and was praised for her part in the uber-classic The Towering Inferno where she was teamed up the equal Hollywood legend Fred Astaire.  She's the only great classical actress, an Oscar winner, who fell to her death 1,000 feet from a glass elevator. 

Today, many senior actresses, in their 60's on up, can still find dignified work, from Faye Dunaway to Helen Mirren.  They can be in films, portraying women their age, that are huge commercial and critical successes.  People flock to theaters and Oscars are handed out.  They no longer have to play psycho-biddies running around with axes or sweet, old ladies being crushed and drowned under tsunamis.  Hollywood has come a long way from learning its lesson that it treats older women like garbage as portrayed in Sunset Boulevard.

Joe:  "Norma, there's nothing wrong with a woman who's 50."  Sunset Boulevard

Gerard

 

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: "Filthy" DS Topic
« on: March 18, 2017, 01:02:53 AM »
I imagine, Gothic, if the "urban legend" is true that they considered Crawford for the role of Liz, her problems with - um, how shall we say? paraphrasing Elton John here - "vodka and Pepsi's" kept her from getting the part.  When she stood in for her daughter Christina in Secret Storm, they say she did fantastic in rehearsal - spot on.  But when the cameras rolled, that's when it all fell apart.  People on the set reportedly said that she got "nervous" when it was time for a take and that's when she had her vodka's-and Pepsi's-minus-the-Pepsi's" (like one of my favorite lines from Gilligan's Island when Lovey asked Thurston:  "Have you been eating brandy and peaches again without the peaches?"). 

I could clearly see Crawford doing the part of Liz.  She was classy, still a star despite Hollywood's sexist ageism, and in the public eye, especially after she altered her characterizations to become a "screen-scream-queen" after Whatever Happened to Baby Jane and all the William Castle films.  There could not have been a more perfect fit.  If that urban legend is true, what a loss.  Poor Crawford wouldn't be able to deal with the rigor of day-after-day, week-after-week TV series work without her cooler filled with vodka.  And when she had the cooler, she couldn't do it.  If she blew it in movies because she was schnockered, they could always do a re-take or come back and do it the next day.  It couldn't be done on live-to-tape TV.  Secret Storm, sadly, proved that. 

Gerard

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In a box somewhere, I have the LP45 of William's "Shadows of the Night."  I wonder what it's worth (and what's on the flip-side).

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: 8 Worst Soap Opera Re-casting Decisions
« on: March 17, 2017, 02:12:48 AM »
Uncle Roger, if DC had decided to re-hire Moltke, after her giving birth and maternity leave, as Amanda Harris would've been brilliant.  What a shock to the audience!  Not that I'm one of those friends who didn't like you-know-who playing her; I never had a problem, even to this day.  I don't see what the issue was.  You-know-who didn't annoy me as much as Peterjeffetc.  Okay, I didn't think he was that bad, either.  He just had problems doing live-on-tape (but had his moments).  But Moltke as Amanda to bring her back into the series?  That would've been brilliant.  But then, they'd have to re-shift the whole Leviathan-Quentin-returns-subplot since Vicki would've returned to 1969 fresh from her missing-Jeff "vacation."  Maybe instead of Amanda still being alive, Vicki could've been her reincarnation and somehow work that in.  Sounds convoluted, but when was DS not convoluted? 

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: 8 Worst Soap Opera Re-casting Decisions
« on: March 16, 2017, 11:00:30 AM »
It seems there were various reasons why Moltke left the show.  The big one, of course, was the she "spectin'."  Apparently, she was also tired of playing only little-goodie-two-shoes-Vicki and wanted to sink her teeth into the opportunity to play a different (and even darker) character like all the other performers did.  Didn't she also state later that she was willing to return (particularly if she got to play a another character here or there)?  I wonder if, let's say, DC had negotiated with her (maybe there was an attempt - who knows?) and she had been allowed to temporarily leave the show (at that time, quite necessary since she was pregnant), how it all would've turned out.  Of course, she would've been gone for months and they could've explained her departure on just going somewhere like they did with all the rest who took sabbaticals.  Maybe, because she was not yet obviously showing, they could've sped up the marry-Jeff-he-then-vanishes story and Liz sends her away for a long rest and vacation to get over her "grief."  Maggie could've still stepped in as the governess, go through the whole Quentin/Beth haunting, and then the 1897 plot with later during it Moltke returns but as another character during that time.  Maybe Lady Kitty?  Or another Gypsy?  Then back to 1969 where she returns as Vicki and they resolve the Liz/Vicki mother/daughter thing as a subplot during the whole Leviathan thing.  In PT70, she could still be Victoria Winters, but working as a maid and an evil henchwoman to evil housekeeper Hoffman.

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: "Filthy" DS Topic
« on: March 16, 2017, 01:09:47 AM »
Just imagine, maybe in a parallel time/universe, they had actually cast JC as Elizabeth and BD as Julia.  Think of what it would've been like on the set.

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: 8 Worst Soap Opera Re-casting Decisions
« on: March 16, 2017, 01:02:58 AM »
It's interesting how most of the other re-castings on DS worked.  The actors appeared quite capable of making the characters their own instead of trying to follow the method of the originals.  Sam Evans, Matthew Morgan, Burke Devlin, Willie Loomis.  Even when their portrayals were sometimes (and often) night-and-day, they pulled it off.  I don't know why Ms. Durkin's crashed-and-burned so horrifically.  Maybe she didn't know what to make of the character.  Most of the time she just screamed and cried.  Even Fake Carolyn, in her one-time-only appearance, did a better job.

Gerard

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Current Talk '17 I / Re: "Filthy" DS Topic
« on: March 12, 2017, 09:07:16 PM »
I watched Duel:  Bette and Joan on the cable Fox.  It's not subscription.  Not only did it throw the "f" word around, it also included the "c" word.  I was, shall we, say "shocked;" not by the words, but that they are now obviously allowed on non-subscription cable TV.  It's like when the "f" word was first allowed in, ironically, '81's Mommie Dearest uttered by Faye Dunaway (Don't "f" with me, fellas!")  in a PG-13 rather than an R-rated movie.  And in '97, for the first time in a PG-13 movie, one saw a woman's breasts in Titanic

But it all makes me think of the "urban legend" that DC and the other PTB's originally considered Joan Crawford for the role of Elizabeth Collins Stoddard, but because of her own "spirits" problems, she was rejected.  An urban legend it remains, with anecdotes and possible evidence not completely provable, such as naming the Titanic's following sister-ship the Gigantic (discarded, according to urban legend after the sinking and renamed the Britannic, which, herself, was sunk as a WWI hospital ship after striking a mine in Greek waters) and the original Queen Mary (now permanently berthed in California as a combination hotel/resort/museum/conference-space) being named the Queen Victoria but when the current King, who's wife was named Mary, was asked if the ship could be named after England's most "illustrious" Queen (meaning Victoria) and he said:  "My wife would be delighted!"  Well, how do you get out of that?  Finally, the Cunard Line launched and named a ship Queen Victoria.  I was fortunate to sail aboard her.

Gerard

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Calendar Events / Announcements '17 I / Re: Memories of Thayer David
« on: March 10, 2017, 02:10:44 AM »
One can tell that he took his work in DS (both the series and the two movies) "dead" seriously.  Which ever character he portrayed, he was him.  Even when episodes and plots became, shall we say, "hokey" and he was in them, it was all acting business.  He took the "hoke" out of the hokey and would save it all.  He reminds me of Lucille Ball who played a homeless woman in the made-for-TV movie Stone Pillow.  The film was actually dreadful (I'm not comparing it to DS, but let's say it took all the "bad" stuff spread throughout and DS and mashed it into one thing).  But Ms. Ball lived her part and her acting was superb.  She saved it.

Gerard