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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0816
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:20:28 PM »
Isn't this the point where DC et al. realized how popular Quentin was, so they had to come up with a way to extend the 1897 story.

It sure does take a lot of time for Tim to realize that the Hand has moved on. His lines are pretty awkward--maybe he lapsed back into pedantic schoolteacher mode in his agitation.

Poor Jamison. Now he's possessed yet again, this time by David. It's really touching to see how devoted to him Quentin really is--although I'm sure poor Nora could have used a share of that affection too.

The scene leading up to Quentin's psychic attempt to reach Barnabas is highly interesting. J/David assumes that he (D.) is dead now and that he and Quentin will hang out together for all eternity. I don't think Quentin realizes what the future has in store for him (at least for now), but Selby conveys his terror very well.

Yah, Tim. He still has quite a bit to learn.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0815
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:12:19 PM »
Petofi put the hex on Magda a few episodes ago, and he waves the reattached hand at her now, so for the time being she has to obey him.

I don't think Barn and Petofi had officially met until now. Not a good day for Barnabas.

Wow, is Petofi really wearing a turtleneck? I remember that a lot of contemporary DS characters did. I guess Petofi was some kind of prescient trend setter.

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We see the Eagle/Blue Whale once in 1840/1841PT. Kendrick Young meets Gerard Stiles there. As in 1840/1841RT, Gerard has psychic powers, and Kendrick hires him in an attempt to find out what happened to his (K.'s) sister Stella.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0815
« on: October 20, 2014, 07:23:05 PM »
Aristede continues to address Petofi as Victor, even after Count Andreas Petofi's identity has been revealed.

Petofi surveys his reattached hand with immense satisfaction--and refuses to honor his promise to cure Quentin and Jamison. Instead, he seizes Barnabas’s agelessly young hand in his own ugly, reattached one and tells him, When I take my hand away, you will see marks where my fingers have touched you. Until they disappear, you will be unable to indulge in your favorite trick--for that is what it is, isn’t it, Mr. Collins? I have no tricks, Barnabas insists stolidly. I was positively jealous when Aristede told him about it, Petofi says as if Barnabas hadn’t spoken. Releasing Barnabas’s hand, he says, That is all there is to it. He and Aristede share a laugh, then he tells Barnabas, Try to disappear, for our sake, so I know I have some power. After all, you doubted me. Now you can test my powers--or are you afraid? No, Barnabas says, but I will disappear, because I must know what has happened to Jamison. I am interested in the boy too, Petofi assures him. I will be back no matter what happens, Barnabas promises, to make sure you live up to your part of the bargain. He tries to dematerialize--but he can’t. Stunned, he tries again as the other two laugh at him. He turns into a dark silhouette, but can’t manage anything further. Well, Mr. Collins, Petofi says, you have returned _before_ you disappeared. Never doubt this, he says, waving his hand in Barnabas’s face. Never!

Meanwhile, Quentin checks Jamison's pulse and is desperate to know why his nephew hasn't recovered.

Barnabas has apparently given up trying to dematerialize. Aristede pours more Champagne for Petofi. Join us, Petofi invites Barnabas. Then we can discuss the matter like gentlemen. Barnabas angrily tells Petofi, I made the biggest mistake of my life [so to speak, and we know it’s his second-greatest mistake] when I dared to trust him [i.e., Aristede] or you. You judge us too harshly, says Petofi. Only because he doesn't know us, Aristede chimes in. I know you! Barnabas snaps. At that moment, Quentin comes downstairs, heatedly demanding to know why Jamison hasn't been cured. Barn reminds Petofi that he's paid the agreed-on price. The price has changed, Petofi replies coldly. Barn tells Quentin to go back to Jamison while he deals with Petofi.

Petofi names his price: a trip to 1969. Barnabas pretends not to know what the count is talking about--until Aristede shows him the Collins Family History (published in 1967). Now that he has his hand back, he's sure the gypsies won't rest until they get it back again. I can’t take you to 1969, Barnabas protests. I don’t know how to get there myself. My reason for coming here was vital, and I intend to _try_ to return. We will try together, the count declares. Do you think this is some sort of carriage ride? Barnabas asks. I don’t understand what powers I had to get here. I had no formula written down. I used only my concentration. With your powers, you should be able to figure out a quicker and smoother way. Petofi doesn’t believe one word Barnabas has said: Would you like me to show you why you should return to your own time while you can? he asks Barnabas. I can show you, using my psychic powers, the end !He opens the large cupboard that has previously been mentioned; even though it appears to be empty, he asks Barnabas, What do you see? I see only the inside of the cupboard, Barnabas answers, but Petofi tells him to wait: Soon you will see your own death!

Sure enough, whatever far-seeing device Petofi has in the cabinet warms up in a moment or two, and Barnabas sees his own portrait--the 1967 one--hanging over the fireplace at the Old House. Julia is sitting in a chair by the fire, reading, when David stumbles downstairs, barely able to hold the banister, calling to Quentin. Julia hurries to him. Why are you out of bed? she asks. I must go to Quentin, David says. He needs me! Please let me go! No, Julia tells him as she shakes her head, Quentin does not need you. I can hear him calling to me! David insists. Fight, Julia urges him. Reject him--you must! She seats him in her chair and pleads, Reject him! No, David cries out, then collapses. Julia hurries to her medical bag, takes out a hypo and gives him an injection. She calls out David’s name. Quentin, David calls one more time, then subsides again. Julia watches him intently. [Remember that in 1969 everyone is staying at the Old House because the ghostly Quentin has taken over Collinwood.]

Is David dying? Barnabas asks. Petofi simply stares at him. David? Dying? he asks. I don’t seem to know the name. You caused that vision to happen, Barnabas reminds in. You have that power. I must know! But you saw your own death, Mr. Collins, Petofi answers, mystified. Equally mystified, Barnabas says with some wonder, I didn’t see what you did, you can’t see what you’ve caused. How can you be sure? Petofi asks. Who did you see? he asks the count. David, Petofi relies. Who else, Barnabas asks. I did not recognize the others, Petofi replies. There was only one other, Barnabas tells him. What name was mentioned? What name do you know? (Even now, he’s protecting Julia.) Yours, I presume, guesses the count. Your powers do have limits, don’t they, Barnabas realizes with a smile. Obviously, the count huffs, or I wouldn’t need you to take me to a distant time. I have told you once-- Barnabas starts, but Petofi interrupts him. You didn’t give the one answer. We should give him more time, he tells Aristede. Obviously, Aristede says fawningly. Time to overcome his scruples, Petofi continues, time to watch the Collins family disintegrate. He tells Barnabas, I suggest you leave--it’s nearly dawn, and you have much to reflect on. You need time to realize I have been honest with you, Barnabas replies. If there were some way to accomplish what you want, I’d be forced to do it--but there is not. We shall see, Petofi says. Barnabas leaves (by walking up the stairs and out the door).

Maybe he’s telling the truth and can’t return to his own time, Aristede suggests with some surprise. No, Petofi says, Barnabas thinks he can win. He thinks he can accomplish whatever he came here to do and disappear without me. What will you do? Aristede asks. Something I learned from Lord Kitchener, Petofi replies: When the first plan of battle fails, launch the second one immediately.

At the Old House, Magda is waiting for Barnabas to return. As she watches in dismay, Aristede and Petofi burst into the room through the louver doors (“Willie’s door”). Aristede is wearing several lengths of heavy chain around his shoulders. How did you get in? she asks. How did you get in? she asks. Petofi explains, Aristede is very clever at finding secret tunnels--he has the instincts of a mole. I will not help you, she says stoutly. I think you will, Petofi says, holding up his reattached hand. Perhaps your master didn’t have time to tell you about this. She gasps, horrified. You’ll help us whether you want to or not, Petofi boasts.

As the sun rises, Magda leads Petofi and Aristede to the West Wing at Collinwood, Barnabas’s latest hiding place. We can learn from Mr. Collins, Petofi tells Aristede as he surveys the coffin, adding, This is an ingenious move on his part. Yes, you can, Magda agrees. Aristede takes out a length of chain, and Petofi barks at Magda, Silence! I am the only one who can speak. Open the coffin, he orders Aristede. Magda has to watch while Aristede does so, revealing Barnabas, asleep and helpless. Petofi places a gold cross on Barnabas’s heart, commenting, I’m afraid you are fighting a losing battle, Mr. Collins. Aristede closes the coffin. Chain him, Petofi orders, chain him securely for his long sleep. Aristede knocks off his hat in getting the chains from around his shoulders, but follows his master’s orders all too effectively, finishing by putting a heavy padlock on the chains....

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0814
« on: October 19, 2014, 05:29:41 PM »
In the perverse Collins universe, it doesn't make sense that the hand would deteriorate while detached. In fact, it was still very powerful even in that state: It freed Charity from Barnabas, showed everyone their true natures, and somehow provided Tim with all that wealth and those fine threads.

Long ago, Barnabas referred to time as rushing and roaring past him. I guess he didn't mean when he was waiting for things. While still trapped in the coffin, he must have awakened and spent every night tormented by the knowledge that he couldn't escape.  [hall2_shocked]

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0813
« on: October 19, 2014, 05:24:21 PM »
Entirely agree on that song, MT!

Now I have an image of the hand flapping itself to the old mill. What is the sound of one hand flapping, I wonder.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0814
« on: October 18, 2014, 09:27:30 PM »
Carrying the wooden casket, J/P stumbles out of Collinwood and into a storm as his deadline approaches.

Meanwhile, Aristede waits at the mill while the count himself lies on a sofa, looking oddly vulnerable without his glasses. Meanwhile, J/P collapses in the woods.

Quentin finds J/P and is delighted to see the hand again. Although he collapses again, J/P is annoyed when Quentin calls him Jamison.

At the mill, Aristede consults his watch, then paces the main room worriedly. Time! We have no time, he frets. What if Jamison doesn’t find the hand? Then he reveals his deepest fear to us: What will I do without Victor? I’ll have to fend for myself! He goes back into the inner room, where Petofi is still lying on the couch. Aristede kneels beside him, stroking his hair. Suddenly the count lifts his left hand to his chest.

Barnabas meets J/P and Quentin at the cottage. He too is delighted to see the hand. The delirious J/P raves enough for Barnabas to realize that he is actually the count. Through clever questioning, Barn and Quentin learn that the real count is at the mill. They also realize that without the hand, the count will die--and so will Jamison. Telling Quentin to wait, Barn hurries out--without the hand.

At the mill, Petofi again raises his hand to his chest. Aristede stops his pacing and tells the count, I’m going to Collinwood to find the boy and bring back the hand--I promise! What he doesn’t know is that Barnabas has just arrived and is looking about the outer room. Aristede opens the inner door, sees Barnabas, and quietly shuts the door to make sure he’s wearing his cross. When he comes out, he greets Barnabas and adds sarcastically, I apologize for the accommodations. We don’t get visitors very often. It’s not what we are used to. [Presumably he means more luxurious accommodations.] I must see the count, Barnabas says bluntly. He isn’t here, Aristede replies. Barnabas wants to see for himself, but Aristede takes out the cross, holds it up and tells Barnabas, Leave--now. Barnabas flinches away from the cross but tells Aristede, I offer you another choice. The hand--I know where it is. _I_ have it now! Aristede’s eyes widen in surprise.

During the commercial break, Aristede seems to have recovered his composure. He and Barnabas argue about the hand, with Barnabas carefully not looking at the cross all the while. Finally Aristede puts the cross away. Barn wants the count to stop possessing Jamison. Aristede wants the hand. I must get a promise from Petofi, Barnabas repeats. Even a flicker of an eye or a hand raised that he will cure Quentin and end this reign of terror at Collinwood. I will promise that, Aristede assures him. I refuse to accept your word, Barnabas says bluntly. I want to talk to Petofi. You must trust me, Aristede replies, or the child will die. Barnabas thinks a moment and unhappily agrees. I'll get the hand, he tells Aristede. Hurry, Aristede urges him. I know, Barnabas says and leaves. Aristede looks equally worried.

At the cottage, Quentin kneels beside Jamison. You've got to live, you've got to, Quentin pleads. Can you hear me? Can you? Listen, please, you're the only one I've ever loved, cared for in this whole place. You know that, don't you? Keep on trying, don't give in to it--please don't.  Barnabas returns and tells Quentin, We must give Petofi the hand. Petofi is dying too, and Aristede has promised to end the curse if we end Petofi’s first. Quentin’s previous acquaintance with Aristede doesn’t incline him to be so trusting, and he says, We can’t trust Aristede or Petofi. I can’t let Jamison die, Barnabas protests. He will recover as Petofi does. Stay with Jamison until he’s well, he instructs Quentin. Then come to the mill, and we will then force Petofi to cure you. Barnabas picks up the casket as Quentin frets, Petofi may cure himself, then leave Collinwood before we can stop him. I won’t allow that, Barnabas declares as he leaves again. Quentin turns back to Jamison.

At the old mill, kneeling beside his master, Aristede tells him, Barnabas is bringing the hand. You must stay alive until he comes. He hears the door open and closeand goes outside. Barnabas insists on giving the hand to Petofi himself. That’s impossible, Aristede argues. Give it to me! Unhappily, Barnabas gives him the casket, which Aristede opens to check the contents. Wait here, he tells Barnabas. Don’t come after me into the room, or you might affect what must happen. Barnabas reluctantly promises to stay outside. Aristede enters the inner room and declares, I have the hand. He opens the casket and takes out the hand in both of his as if he were about to crown a king. Lifting it above his head, he intones, Mighty hand that touched the face of the Sphinx, hand of infinite power come home at last, heal this man, force breath into his body, make his heart strong, for without you, he cannot live. If he dies what was begun in the forest of Aujedon will end, for his body is your body, and his mind is your mind, his life, your life! Heal him!

 He places the hand on Petofi’s chest.

In the outer room, Barnabas waits anxiously, knowing that more than Jamison’s life hangs in the balance. Aristede emerges and tells him, I did what Petofi told me to do. He knew he'd get the hand, Barnabas sighs. Well, Aristede says, it's safe to say he hoped it would turn out in his hands (?) He offers Barnabas some tea, knowing perfectly well that Barnabas can take no human food or drink. No, Barnabas says. Ignoring him, Aristede pours and tells him, This is a special blend of the finest Chinese leaves, made especially for his excellency. I want no tea! Barnabas snaps. Aristede tastes the tea but complains, It's gotten a bit cold. Barnabas asks irritably, How can you sit sipping tea with what's going on with Petofi? I can do nothing about it, Aristede says calmly. What _is_ happening? Barnabas. I'm not privy to all my master's secrets, Aristede replies primly. I've seen the hand work--seen it change people in an instant, Barnabas says. The hand knows what it must do, Aristede replies. Barnabas says impatiently, I'm going in there. No, says Aristede, you won't--for Jamison's sake. Just sit down and wait. It's all you can do now. Barnabas sits. He and Aristede exchange stares.

At the cottage, Quentin waits anxiously. He is looking out the window when he hears J/P moaning and hurries to his side. Help me! J/P begs him. How? Quentin asks. The hand! J/P says. Why doesn't it move from my chest? There's nothing on your chest, Quentin tells him. Why is it still there, why is it where Aristede placed it? J/P asks feverishly. You must come to your senses, Quentin urges him. Oh, hand! Hand that was once mine, help me! J/P implores. Help me before it is too late! Has it lost its power? he wonders. Lie back and be quiet, Quentin tells him. Why doesn't it do as I say? J/P asks. Why? He sinks back onto the sofa.

Aristede lays out some very old playing cards for a game of solitaire. It's been an hour since you went into the room, Barnabas notes. I wasn’t told how long it would take, Aristede replies. Petofi has died--I know it, Barnabas laments. And if he has, Jamison has, too, and my mission here-- He stops himself just in time, but Aristede pounces: Your mission--what is it? Tell me about it--perhaps it will make the time go by. Never! Barnabas growls. Perhaps you'll change your mind, Aristede says. One of us should go check on Petofi, Barnabas insists. I have my orders, Aristede replies. f you're so concerned, why don't you go to Jamison?

Quentin checks J/P--looks up in alarm. He has almost no pulse at all! Quentin exclaims. He’s dying! God, don’t let him die! Don’t let that happen, please, he cries desperately.

Aristede deals himself another hand. I’m going into the other room, Barnabas exclaims. One of us must! he cries! I'll use force, if necessary, Aristede warns him--get away from the door. We haven't heard anything in over an hour, Barnabas argues. There is some plan here! Has Petofi disappeared with the hand? If he has, I will kill you! You are a most suspicious person, Aristede comments. You have made me that way, Barnabas snarls! I am going in there! No! Aristede shouts. He grabs Barnabas’s arms, but Barnabas grabs Aristede’s shoulders and pushes him backward and onto the sofa. The next moment, they hear gloating laughter. A moment later, Petofi emerges, to all appearances hale and well. It is mine! Mine again! he declares triumphantly. He holds up his right hand--now reattached to his wrist!...

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0813
« on: October 18, 2014, 08:38:58 PM »
Evidently this ep. exists only as a black-and-white kinescope.

Fortunately, Nora can't open the wooden box, so she wraps everything up again and goes to bed.

J/P and Aristede meet in the woods and decide that Aristede will distract Tim while J/P--in his Jamison persona--will work on Nora to get the hand back.

At the Collins Port Inn, Tim Shaw is sitting in the restaurant that will eventually become Maggie’s place of employment. These are its salad days, so there are potted palms all around. Tim is surprised to see Jamison so late, but J/P has a cover story ready. I thought you were sick, Tim says, then immediately realizes his error. He covers up by saying, I called Collinwood. Nora told me that you had been ill. I was ill for a few days, J/P says, but I’ve begun to feel much better. They chat until Tim says he's waiting for a young lady. J/P says he'd like to meet her, but slips into Petofi mode for a moment, earning a look from Tim.

Meanwhile Amanda enters Tim's room, but before she can even turn on the light, Aristede grabs her and drags her in. Aristede slaps her but eventually is persuaded that she really doesn't know anything about the hand. But he holds the Dancing Lady to her throat despite her protests that she's never even seen the carved wooden box. There was a box in Tim’s room earlier, she says. Now you’re being sensible, Aristede says with satisfaction. What did it look like? It was an ordinary box wrapped in paper, she replies (even though Nora undid a cloth wrapping)--Tim took it away. Where did he take it? Aristede asks. I don’t know, Amanda says, weeping now. I asked him where he was going, but he wouldn’t say. I think you’re either extremely loyal or extremely foolish, Aristede comments. I’ve told you everything I know, she says, foolishly hoping Aristede will finally go away. No, not everything, he tells her: I want details. I want to know every deal that Mr. Shaw made, every person he spoke to. I advise you to remember it all very clearly!

I don’t know when Aunt Judith will be out of the rest home, J/P tells Tim as they continue their conversation. Still in Jamison mode and having no reason to lie about it, J/P tells Tim, My father has been to see her, but he says she’s still very sick. It appears our Reverend Trask has become quite the lord of the manor, Tim comments. Yes--he acts as though he _owns_ Collinwood, J/P complains. Well, Tim says philosophically, all things, good or evil, come to the same end. He's just about to check for Amanda at the front desk when Aristede strolls in and comments, Mr. Shaw! I almost didn’t know you with your new clothes. (Of course he would notice Tim’s fine new threads!) Tim replies, I remember you (obviously not fondly). We met at the Blue Whale. I delivered a message for you to Quentin Collins. Yes, and then you suddenly disappeared, Aristede comments. Tim gives him the same reply he gave J/P: I was out of town on business. I assume it had nothing to do with delivering messages, Aristede jokes. They share a pretend laugh, then Aristede says, If you’re going to be in town for a while, perhaps we could get together for a drink. He says good night and leaves. He is a very strange man, Tim comments to J/P. Who was he? J/P asks. I never saw him before. I met him only once, Tim says. I’m not sure I like him. Excuse me--I must find Amanda. I hope we’ll see you at Collinwood before you leave, J/P says politely. You will, my boy, you will, Tim assures him as he puts on his top hat. (Why? He’s not going out!) After he leaves, J/P grins triumphantly.

And Tim doesn't go outdoors but upstairs, where he is dismayed to find Amanda unconscious on the floor of his room.

Aristede and J/P confer in the woods again and decide that Nora must have the hand at Collinwood. Mr. Shaw made one mistake when he spoke to me earlier, J/P says with sudden realization. He claimed he spoke to Nora on the telephone, but I think he spoke to her in person, at Collinwood. So we must go to Collinwood and speak to Nora! Aristede exclaims, perhaps anticipating the pleasure of torturing a little girl. No, J/P tells him for the third time in a row, you must stay right here. After all, I’m her brother. I think I can get her to tell me what I want to know. He goes off whistling while Aristede smiles at his master’s cleverness.

Tim seems genuinely concerned for Amanda and genuinely sorry she got hurt. Tim insists on knowing what her attacker looked like. He was thin, Amanda says, not very tall. He wore a cape and a strange-looking foreign hat. Aristede! Tim says instantly. Do you know him? Amanda asks in alarm. I met him once, but I know nothing about him, Tim replies, then asks her, How much did you tell him? How much _could_ I? Amanda replies crossly. Nothing he said made sense to me! Good, Tim says with some relief. They’ll be back of course, he continues, back for the hand--but they shall not find it, not where it’s hidden, he adds smugly. We can’t stay in this town! Amanda pleads. We’ve got to get out of here before we’re killed! No, Tim answers, we’re safe as long as the hand is secure. We will stay till I accomplish what I’ve set out to do.

J/P wakes Nora up and claims to be disappointed that Tim visited her but not him. Nora insists Tim made her promise not to tell. I’ll bet he saw everyone else in the whole house except for me, J/P complains. No, Nora assures him, I’m the only one. Did he tell you that? J/P asks. Yes, she insists. I’ll bet he saw Beth and Charity, J/P whines. No, Nora insists, he doesn’t know Beth and him and Charity have never gotten along very well. I’m going to ask Beth and Charity. Even if he did see Beth and Charity, Nora brags, I’ll bet he didn’t bring them a gift! J/P is rooted to the spot for a moment. Barely able to contain himself, he asks, He brought you a gift? I want to see it. I promised I wouldn’t show anyone, Nora says. I’ll bet you don’t have it, J/P says slyly. You can’t show anything you don’ really have. I do so have it, Nora retorts, it’s in my dresser! She brings out the pendant to show him. What else did he give you? J/P demands. I know he gave you something else. No, Nora insists, I’m not lying to you! Yes, you are--I can tell! he shouts back. It’s somewhere in this room! He gave you a box, and you’ve hidden it in this room! No, she cries desperately. Tell me where it is! J/P insists. I can’t, she wails, I made a solemn promise! J/P grabs Nora’s arm and twists it behind her back. You’re hurting me! she protests. I don’t care, J/P says remorselessly. I don’t want to hurt you, but I will unless you tell me where it is. What’s gotten into you? Nora cries in pain. Tell me where it is! J/P says harshly. In tears, she tells him it’s in her closet. He lets her go and ignores her as she cradles her hurt arm. Gleefully he takes out the carton, unwraps it, and opens the casket. (Nora’s off camera, so we can only hope she doesn’t see the monstrous object.) Lifting the hand up triumphantly in his still-attached left one, J/P says quite as if he’s found that Sweet Mystery of Life, I’ve found it! At last I’ve found it!....

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0812
« on: October 18, 2014, 05:34:29 PM »
I think this is the first scene with Quentin and Nora. I'm sure that Quentin has Lenore in mind when dealing with Nora.

Poor Edward! Failing to kill Quentin is probably his first failure as a butler, and now he has to pay.

Yes, welcome (I guess) Donna McKechnie. Clearly Tim and Amanda are in a business partnership, but it seems they enjoy each other's company in more ways than one. Whatever we may think of Amanda, the scenes with her and Tim are well done. When Amanda complains about being cooped up in her room, Tim reminds her that the past two weeks have been profitable for her, so I suppose we can infer that he's been away for that long and maybe another couple of days to find a suitable accomplice.

Amanda really pours it on in her meeting with Trask. Ha ha ha! But how quickly Quentin forgets Beth. He still has a ways to go.

Once Amanda returns to the inn, she wants to go out. Tim grudgingly agrees to a walk down by the docks--exciting!

Quentin enters the lobby of the hotel (which will be unchanged all the way until Chris Jennings’s arrival in 1969). There is no desk clerk (and perhaps won’t be until Mr. Wells in 1966, played by Conrad Bain!). Quentin hears someone coming downstairs and hides. He sees Amanda leave with Tim Shaw, now also wearing a handsome gray top hat. (There is a phone on the front desk as well as the phone in Tim’s room. But in 1897, the lobby phone would have been the only one in the whole building!)

After his unsuccessful search, Quentin looks around at the mess. Suddenly he hears Tim tell Amanda, I’m sorry you’re bored. But once my plan is accomplished, we’ll have more money than we’ll know what to do with. Before he’s done saying this sentence, Quentin--who must be more than unusually agile--has escaped out the (upper-story) window.

Tim turns out to be quite the user as he leaves the hand with Nora. He's wrapped it in a box, and it does look very enticing.....

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0811
« on: October 18, 2014, 05:22:31 PM »
Thanks, MT! Yes, it's hard to come up with curses that would make Quentin's and Magda's lives even worse.

Quote: I do wonder sometimes if after death, or as death approaches, all becomes clear, and the fog living beings live their lives in blows away./Quote

I like that, MT. Maybe that's how Jenny was finally cured of her insanity and thus after death could intercede for at least one of her children.

Butler Ed is very well written and very well played. We get a peep at the kinds of shenanigans that went on at the earl of Hampshire's place, and it isn't pretty. I've also never doubted that it is historically correct, then and now.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0811
« on: October 15, 2014, 07:33:37 PM »
Kudos to all involved in this wonderfully written (by Violet Welles), beautifully acted episode. Quentin is about to learn what is possibly the most painful lesson of his life.

Jenny is wearing a pale pink satin dress, her hair smoothly piled atop her head. Quentin (whose collar is fastened in this reshoot of the teaser) and Magda can only stare at her. Jenny calls the medallion evil and throws it to the floor. We were desperate, Quentin pleads. We didn’t know what to do, Magda adds. You got to save her, Jenny! Jenny picks up the (invisible, bundled-up) baby; cradling the child close, she walks around the room singing All the Pretty Little Horses. With what emotions we can only imagine, Quentin watches his only glimpse of the family life he might have enjoyed but so carelessly threw away. Jenny tells the baby, When you wake, you will be well, healthy and well--and you will stay well, I will see to it. Quentin steps closer to thank her, but she already has a faraway look. Quentin adds softly, I’m sorry for the way things were between us. If I could do it all again, it would be different. No, Jenny answers somberly, not different for me--but different for her. Settling Lenore back in her cradle, she adds, There’s one way to prove your love, one way to keep her safe. Tell me what it is! Quentin begs her. But Jenny is already starting to fade away as she answers, I have so little time. Tell me! Quentin repeats. She will be safer than I was, Jenny says, safer than my dead son was. There is a way. Look into your heart and you will know, she tells him and disappears from view. Look into my heart, Quentin repeats as he and Magda check the baby, who is now sleeping peacefully. I know what Jenny wants me to do! Quentin says confidently.

Welcome comic relief as Trask visits Edward in the Tower Room. Still thinking he's the perfect "gentleman's gentleman," Edward boasts (modestly) about his excellent work for the late earl of Hampshire. Trask tries to get Edward to sign a paper saying that he (Trask) is Jamison's legal guardian. He takes the paper and starts to read it before Trask can stop him. You don’t have to read it, Trask says hastily. I must, Edward answers, and it's good that I am, because it contains a serious error. It says you are to be my son’s legal guardian, but that’s impossible. I have no son. This paper will help fight our mutual enemies, Trask insists. We’ll have to find another way of fighting them, sir, Edward answers mildly as he hands back the document. Yes, Trask answers heavily, I’m afraid we will. Not to worry, sir, Edward says cheerfully as he straightens his coat. Often the earl would get confused, but I’d set him straight, just as I did you--but of course I never told anyone. Trask is irritated at having been beaten, but Edward merely beams at him.

Magda and Quentin return to Collinwood. Quentin tells Trask that he wants the nursery opened, so that Lenore can live at Collinwood. Trask makes the usual objections--affronting Magda with sneers at Quentin's "gypsy offspring"--and insists that he's the Master of Collinwood. Quentin reminds him about the terms of Edith's will. That’s true, Trask allows, but your daughter won’t stay. The terms of the will give you a home, but it says nothing about your children. You can’t keep her out! Quentin says angrily. Legally, I am the Master of Collinwood, Trask huffs. Quentin seizes him by the lapels and rages, Well, I don’t care! She’s my daughter and she belongs here! She is a Collins! Magda watches, her lips pressed together in anger. You used the wrong argument to persuade me, Trask tells him haughtily. I have burden enough with the Collinses already here. One more is too many. What is the _right_ number of Collinses for you at Collinwood? Quentin retorts. I’m only trying to help your poor, unfortunate family, Trask says piously. We don’t want your help, Quentin tells him and adds with heavy sarcasm, This “poor, unfortunate” family hasn’t dwindled away yet. There’s still enough of us left to defeat you. Defeat me and you defeat yourself, Trask says. Do you think you can convince me of that? Quentin asks. Do you think I’m so stupid that I don’t know what you’re doing? No, Trask answers, I don’t think you’re stupid, just misguided, wicked, sinful, wild. Thank you, Quentin says sarcastically. I’m going to see Edward, my brother. Cain and Abel were brothers too, Trask says nastily. Quentin retorts, I know  Edward and I haven’t acted much like brothers before. But I’ll bet even Cain and Abel would have behaved much better toward each other if they’d had a common enemy to fights. With a laugh, Quentin sprints up the stairs. Trask tells Magda, I saw Judith at the sanitarium. She thinks she’s a child again, but she misses her brothers. Soon she’ll have Edward there to keep her company, he gloats.

Quentin is Edward's next visitor. Quentin is pleased that Trask went away thwarted, but his luck ends there. It’s going to take all our guile and cunning and sanity to defeat Trask, Quentin tells him. Do you realize that? Edward only stares at him in confusion (good bit by Edmonds). No, he answers himself wearily, you don’t realize anything.

Trask returns, and Edward complains that Quentin tormented him--something that "gentlemen" like him often do to servants. (Makes me wonder if Quentin did this before too.) Why am I here? he asks suddenly. How long must I stay? You must stay as long as Quentin says you must, Trask replies heartlessly. And how long will that be? Edward asks. It depends on how well you do your job, Trask replies, adding, I'm going to take a great chance and give you a job to do--I hope you can do it. I always try my best, Edward assures him. I want you to kill Quentin, Trask says point blank. Edward is shocked. You don't realize the gravity of your situation, Trask tells him. Quentin is never going to release you--never! Edward is infuriated.

Coatless and tieless, Quentin is stretched out on the drawing-room sofa with his music for company. A drink and a nearly empty bottle are within reach, and an ashtray is piled high (even though Quentin never smokes on screen!). Eventually he falls asleep, and in a dream he hears Jenny’s voice, then sees her rocking Lenore’s cradle and singing All the Pretty Little Horses one last time. Quentin gets up and goes to her. Jenny finishes the song, then tells Quentin, She’s sleeping peacefully now. She’s as beautiful as her mother, Quentin says. Yes, she is, Jenny agrees with a smile. As Quentin moves beside her, she tells him, I’m sorry for you, Quentin. It won’t be easy for you to give her up. I’m taking her back to Collinwood, Quentin protests. After she was born, Jenny says, _he_ [i.e., Edward] took her away. I was mad, but I knew he took her away. I was mad, but I knew she must not stay at Collinwood. She belongs here, Quentin insists. No, Jenny replies, there’s no happiness for anyone at Collinwood. There never has been. There can be none for her. Nothing will happen to her, Quentin promises. Jenny pleads, Don’t imprison a gypsy child behind such high walls. She’s my daughter, Quentin protests, I love her. Jenny tells him sternly, Prove your love--give her up. I can’t, Quentin pleads. You lied to me so many times, Jenny says reproachfully. Now you’re lying to me again. I never lied to you, Quentin insists. You said you would do anything to keep her safe, Jenny reminds him. And I will, he vows. There’s only way one way to keep her safe, Jenny says as she walks away from him into the shadows. Give her up. Let her go. Do not lock her behind prison walls. Gypsies die in prison--let her go! Quentin begs Jenny, Don't leave her alone. Jenny’s last words to him are, Leave her alone! Give her up! Prove your love and give her up! She fades from Quentin’s view forever.

I don’t know what to do! Quentin calls out to her. Suddenly Edward is there in his dream. One must always do the right thing, Edward says primly. It takes the right person to do the right things. When the wrong person does the right thing, it's wrong. Do you follow me? he asks as he helps Quentin into his jacket. Something is the matter, Edward continues when Quentin doesn’t reply. It’s almost dinnertime, and you aren’t dressed. I only care about my daughter, Quentin says (getting there!). She isn’t the right kind of daughter, Edward says, his mouth turning down with distaste. Don’t waste time thinking about her, not when it’s so late. It’s almost dinnertime. Very handsome, he says appraisingly as he puts the finishing touches on Quentin’s jacket (although properly Quentin should be wearing a tuxedo). I’ve taken the liberty of choosing your tie, Edward adds, showing it to Quentin. I thought a long time about it--I wanted you to look just right. He puts it around Quentin’s neck, then ties it. It’s too tight, Quentin protests. No--I’m doing the job just right, Edward insists as he pulls it tighter.

Gasping for breath, Quentin wakes up to find that he really is gasping for breath because his brother is leaning over the sofa, hands really wrapped around his throat....

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0810
« on: October 15, 2014, 06:45:19 PM »
Wow. Thanks, Midnite.

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Maybe Samantha and Gerard ran off together in PT, since that was impossible in RT.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0810
« on: October 14, 2014, 03:14:13 PM »
According to imdb, this Mary Farrell could be the same Mary Farrell who was in Family Ties, Newhart, and some other shows in the 1980s. She was born in 1912, so she's the right age.

I thought Quentin was just pushing Charity's buttons by being ironically seductive, not really serious. And as you point out, MT, the strange three-part Victorian seat isn't the best spot for him to grab her.

I loved Magda's frantic attempt to save her niece the only way she knows how. Good stuff by GH.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0809
« on: October 14, 2014, 03:06:42 PM »
I love the writing for Quentin in this part of the story and of course Selby's wonderful characterization. Wowee.  [hall2_grin]