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Current Talk '07 II / What's love got to do with it?
« on: October 30, 2007, 02:05:07 PM »
I was thinking of a post I read where someone wondered what Angelique saw in the dull Sky Rumson. It didn't appear to make sense that she would fall for him, but then it hit me that it DID make sense. Angeliqe always sought out men in a position . Her attraction to Barnabas was partially due to his position as a member of the wealthy Collins family. She makes note of this in an early episode, she being a lowly servant. Sky was wealthy and this gave Angelique the opportunity to live well. Even later, when she found someone like Joe Haaskell attractive, she had little use for him because he was a lowly working, blue colllar guy.

Barnabus had other relationship problems. He would never work out with Angelique for one specific reason. She was someone who had a mind of her own and was not docile and proper. Barnabus was attracted to women who were proper and whom he could protect. He was a typical male chauvinist in this respect and did not want a woman to challenge him. When he picked Maggie for the next Josette it could not work out because she had a strong will and that turned him off. Its also the reason he could never fall in love with Julia. He could care for her, certainly, but never love an independent,  intelligent woman. 

B & A did have a love/hate relationship, in many ways, and there were certainly stong feelings between them, although with B it was mostly lust and with A obsession as well. She saw what she wanted and would  not give it up, instead of logically trying to latch onto another wealthy man.

Those are my thoughts on the relations of B & A. I'd be interested in hearing comments, pro or con. Being new here I may have missed out on some earlier discussions, so I apologize if this has all been discussed before.



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Current Talk '07 II / Re: New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 29, 2007, 12:04:03 AM »
As far as David mentioning Quentin, Spoiler: since Barnabas went to 1897 and changed Quentin's history, he didn't die, therefore he couldn't be a ghost, and David and Amy would never have experienced a haunting from him. So those events in David's world never occurred. Only we the viewers remember it.

Good point, although as others have noted, the writers were usually loose with continuity. The viewers however are aware of the repetition in plot, which, IMO, didn't work as well the second time around. A number of ideas were good in this storyline, but the silent ghosts and wining kids (especially Hallie) were getting on my nerves after a while. The episodes leading to 1840 are moving awful slowly for me, the only high point so far was Stokes appearing and questioning Sebastian Shaw, who seemed to want to help, at least until Julia insulted him before he even had a chance to speak to the kids.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 19, 2007, 07:56:13 PM »
Now I recall the scene. Thanks for refreshing my memory, Markyboo!

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: vicki's return from 1795
« on: October 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PM »
Ah, the paradoxes of time! So many possibilities. What if Vickie's trip to 1795 set up a divergent time line and the changes made there had no effect on present-day Collinwood?  If this was the case Barnabas would still recognize Phylis Wick because nothing changed in their time line. Of course, this doesn't explain Peter Bradford/Jeff Clark, but then nothing explains them anyway. And speaking of divergent time-lines, there has to be a parallel universe where Roger Davis never appeared on DS.... [hall2_grin]   

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 18, 2007, 03:39:27 PM »
I'm thrilled there's another Buzz fan on here, we are a rare breed!   [hall2_cool]

Buzz was a real character and livened things up on DS for a while. If you think about it, he was also one of the more sincere characters. One of my favorite scenes is with him and Jason, where Jason tries to bribe Buzz and he was having none of it. He really "dug" Carolyn. If Liz only would have know of Carolyns later choices in boyfriends, she might have been elated over Buzz! With Buzz, what you saw was what you got!

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: HODS Revisited
« on: October 17, 2007, 09:28:01 PM »
Gothick,

I believe you're correct that there was studio interference regarding the screening time. The story and characters needed to be fleshed out, and a longer run time would have helped, although I don't think it would have changed the body count and the bloody ending.

Cinematography was nice. Its a shame that DS did not retain any of its personality and became just another vampire movie.

Nick

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: HODS Revisited
« on: October 17, 2007, 04:53:57 PM »
I think Dan Curtis was attempting to copy the Hammer films that were then very popular. In doing so he took away the unique qualities that made the series a success and turned Barnabas into a Christopher Lee killing machine. A real disapointment since DC used the same characters from the series and could have either presesnted a new take or given the "big budget" (bigger certainly than the TV show) to a storyline, perhaps the 1795 storyline, or the introduction of Barnabus.

Nick      

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0337
« on: October 16, 2007, 09:24:25 PM »
I thought the conversation between Dr. Woodard and Barnabas was one if Frid's best acted scenes. I also wondered about the unusually long pause. This Woodard is soooo unlike Gerringer-----I also tried to imagine how he would play the scene. If the Doctor were so convinced that Barnabas was one of the undead (implied), why would he EVER visit him alone---and be so confrontational?????

Gerringer was a very good actor, and his performance as Dr. Woodard was a highlight of this period in the show. It was a shame the strike took place and he was replaced. Turgeon was not in the same caliber and I don't think he received the same sympathy the Gerringer's death would have. That being said, the scene between he and Frid was well acted, although it is obvious someone forgot their lines. 

I also liked the first caretaker. He was so quirky and offbeat that you had to laugh. His replacement was too young and did not convey that personality (and you'd be quirkly too if you were the caretaker in THAT place!

Nick

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 16, 2007, 07:57:48 PM »
i was similarly surprised during the leviathan episodes when they mentioned sam evans and jason mcguire.i really appreciate those rare nods to continuity.

I don't recall the Sam Evans reference but I suspect Jason was mentioned because of the return of Paul Stoddard (and I am the only one who was totally freaked when Paul was revealed to be same actor who played Jason, Dennis Patrick!) It just did not work for me.

Nick

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 16, 2007, 03:57:45 PM »
It's reasonable that David isn't initially terrified by the 1970 ghosts.  Bad ghosts were the exception rather than the rule in his experience of ghosts.  When he first came to Collinwood, he found the ghosts more congenial than he found the live people.  When David realizes that these 1970 ghosts are bad, he does struggle against them.  It may be that the reason he never mentions Quentin's ghost to Hallie is that he doesn't want to scare the perpetually-scared Hallie even more.

Of course I'm arguing from two different starting points here: A) the writers can't talk about Quentin's ghost because 1969 is too long ago, but B) 1966 and 1967 are still relevant.  But point A is external, concerning the viewers, and point B is internal to David, so I think both are admissible.

Lydia,

You make some good points, although I still feel long time viewers were cheated by the lack of any continuity. A little exposition would have helped to clarify matters. Considering what David went through before, he may have been able to spare Hallie if he told her the truth and got her out of that house, but then we would have had no story, would we?

I've been getting my DS DVD's from NetFlix lately (highly recommended) and will go through another 10 episodes to see if they hold my attention; if not, its back to 1966, the beginning... 

Nick

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 16, 2007, 03:50:13 PM »
Ah! Another Buzz!  Welcome, welcome!  Is your name really Buzz or are you just a fan of the leather-clad one!   [hall2_cool]

Hi BuzzH,

I didn't mean to steal you monicker, I noticed it after I used mine. Are there room for two Buzzzes here? No, my real name is Nick but I always got a kick out of Buzz and love the Buzz-isms. Buzz always seemed to be a (excuse the expression) square peg in the DS universe, although I think it would have been funny to have had a Buzz/Barnabas meeting (which I don't think ever happened).   

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 14, 2007, 10:49:05 PM »
Hi Gothick and Lydia,

Thanks for the replies. I would like to say that while the playroom episodes do have their differences (and I certainly like the IDEA of the playroom, the setting and the music they came up with), one of the problems is that David went down this road before and never even references it to either Hallie or himself. I know this is the writers fault but I think it hurts the concept here. Iit would have been more inteersting to have seen David struggling with these forces which he really should be terriified by since his last encounter with Quentin.

DS rarely refrences past storylines and I was pleasantly surprised in the parellel time story where Julia mentions Adam and his life force in regards to Roxanne. I wish they would have done this more often.

The episodes I'm watching (1079-1081) seem very repetitious, with the ghost of Daphne appearing every episode and little happening. I think the problem was that there needed to be other events going on at this point and other  characters appearing. The focus on the children and the non-speaking ghosts went on a little too long, in my estimation.       

I'm still reading much on this forum, including some of the discussions on this period. I've also been enjoying the Robservations as well.

As far as I can tell, this is THE best place for serious, critical and fun commentary on DS.

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Current Talk '07 II / New member who loves Luciaphil's Idle Thoughts
« on: October 12, 2007, 06:58:07 PM »
I'm new to these boards but a long time DS fan. I've been looking for something to read about the show that wasn't totally uncritical and have found a goldmine with Luciaphil's columns.  They are iluminating, thought provoking and laugh out loud funny at times (and I love the discussions on the fashions as well). I don't agree with all your opinions on the show, but that's good.

I have been reading many of the posts on my way home from work and do agree on so many things. the absolute agony of watching Roger Davis, the fatal combination of Davis and Addison Powell (as an actor he was much better doing voicce overs), the brilliance of Thayer David and the inanities of some of the stories. When DS was good, it was very good, when it was bad it was painful.

I'n currently watching the Daphne/Gerard/Playroom period and find it very hard to continue. Besides the storyline being repetitive there is the pure stupidity of David, who should have learned from the lasyt time he was possesed! "Don't tell the adults!" Good God! This kid really needs help! Go play house with Hallie! Is this kid maladjusted? At least he could go out to a ball game once in a while or have a collection of Marvel Comics in his room. And, as I believe you noted, Quentin can't find a girlfriend and has to be obsessed over a ghost? Ignoring what Barnabas and Julia told him about the future? Wow! And Carolyn with the Astrologer/Jeb lookalike. She can't pivk a stable guy, can she. I think she should phone Buzz, compared to everyone else, he was about the best boyfriend she ever had!

I do think I'm going to take a break from this storyline for a while. Does it get any better like, quickly? Please, let me know. I'm tempted to watch the Pre-Barnabus episodes since I haven't see them all and can get the first 2 dvd's from NetFlix. Should I?

Thanks again for your brilliant commentary and I hope there is more to come. I grew up with DS in the 1960s and have enjoyed watching it again in the mid-1980s when it appeared first on NBC in New York and then on New Jersey Network. I've attended a few conventions many years ago and was partiucularly impressed with Jonathan Frid, who turned out to be a very pleasant individual with a great sense of humor. Despite the faults of the show, his presence, as well as the acting of people like Thayer David, Louis Edmonds, Lara Parker and many others, combined with the sets and the writing (when it was sharp) was unique.                 

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