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Current Talk '08 I / Bill Malloy and the early days of Collinwood
« on: April 15, 2008, 07:10:20 PM »
I've been watching the pre-Barnabas episodes of DS and enjoying them quite a bit. There were some very good characters in those beginning episodes, one in particular was Bill Malloy, the manager of the Cannery. The actor who played him was very good and likable. Unfortunately, when one discovers secrets at Colinwood you know the character is not long for the world. The early Roger Collins was a horrible person, filled with sarcasm for just about everyone and pure hatred for his son David. David was pretty nasty himself, although not without motivation. I also enjoyed the outdoor scenery and the kitchen. They sure could eat back then, we rarely saw a morsel of food once Barnabas arrived. And they drank a ton of Coffee! It would have nice to have seen Mrs. Johnson or Willie serving a meal on occasion. It was also nice to see Roger and Joe in their offices. Do they all disappear later because of space reasons?

I alos enjoyed the early versions of Sam Evans and Matthew Morgan. The actors were very good, although I can't complain about replacements David Ford and Thayer David. Mitchell Ryan was another fine actorc who held the show together in those early episodes, and Vicky was a spunky character that was much bette then the dope she turned into later on.

Nick C.     

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Current Talk '08 I / Who invented Angelique?
« on: April 15, 2008, 06:57:25 PM »
Does anyone know who came up with the initial idea of the character? She was such an important part of the storyline, I don't recall reading who was involved. Was this something that came together by comittee, with someone like DC  requesting a witch and the writers developing the idea?

Nick C.   

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: End of the Road
« on: January 16, 2008, 04:47:22 AM »
I'm always the only one saying this, but I think continuing in RT 1971 would have been impossible because of all the contradictions between what happened in 1840 and 1966-70.     History was changed so much that the events and people we knew would have been retroactively cancelled out.

Hi Magnus,

When did cpntradictions ever stop DS writers in the past? They just ignored the glitches and went full speed ahead on their next story. While I liked the time travel stories I also enjoyed a return to present day Collinwood and the characters of Carolyn, Roger, Liz, Willie and the rest.

Nick

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: End of the Road
« on: January 14, 2008, 10:09:45 PM »
I remember at the time thinking unfavorably that they were going back in time again and then hoping that they's get back to the present and then we got another parallel time.  I  now think that once Sam Hall and Company took over that they didn't know or care much about the original characters and story and the investment that the audience had in them.   That being said, I did like the Catherine and Branwell story but not so much the cursed room. 

I don't know if it was so much the writers fault as the fact that Frid did not want to play Barnabas anymore. You couldn't easily eliminate him in present time and have Frid take another role, so I suspect it was easier to go into another time frame and create a storyline that they could more easily play with. don't forget that Sam Hall had been writing for the show for a long time, so I'm sure, while he may not have had a lot invested in the charactrers, in certainly knew how to write them, as did a number of other writers, and quite well at times.

I've enjoyed the Catherine/Bramwell story thus far, having watched a few episodes, altohugh I agree with you about the locked room premise. It was a pretty antiquated plot.

Nick       

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: End of the Road
« on: January 11, 2008, 06:57:18 PM »
This may have been discussed mentioned elsewhere, but was there ever any rationale given for just ending the show the way they did in 1840PT instead of "going back home to mama" as it were.

I believe it was fairly abrupt. ABC cancelled the series and put a dame show in its place (Password, I think) since it was cheaper to produce and the ratings on DS were going down for some time. I suspect Dan Curtis and company didn't have too much time to wrap things up, although a final episode in 1971 probably could have been accomplished.

Indeed, was there any precedent at all even to bring soaps going off the air to any kind of conclusion or did they just end?

That I don't have an answer for. The only other soap I watched on an on and off basis was Ryan's Hope, which I believe was filmed in the same ABC studio and used some of the same sets as DS.

Nick C.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: End of the Road
« on: January 10, 2008, 09:09:25 PM »
ito be honest after 1897 i don't really understand the quentin character(is he good or bad?what makes him tick?)and storylines that feature him at the center kind of bore me. [snow_lipsrsealed]

My guess is that they tried to make Quentin the "bad boy" of the show, but he couldn't be too bad since he was such a popular character. Still, Selby was such a good (and likable) actor that he added something to even the poorer written stories.

Nick

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: End of the Road
« on: January 09, 2008, 04:18:25 PM »
I agree-I think ending on a contemporary note would have been much better. Though I did like the tack on narrative where Sam Hall told how he imagined the future for each of the characters. Was that part of the original series, or something added to the dvd as a bonus feature?

I believe that was tacked on to the DVD. I just saw the last three episodes in 1840 and they were good. Angelique telling the truth about her becoming a witch through Judah was well played, the redemption of Gerard, and a happy ending for a few of the (remaining) characters. Of course, Angelique and Barnabas cannot have a happy ending, though. I liked the idea of Trask dying in the parallel time room.

I still feel the perfect ending would have been Julia, Stokes and Barnabas returning to 1971, going into the empty house (as they did) and THEN having all the characters, not only Liz, but Roger, Carolyn, Quentin, David and Hallie rushing in and telling them that they are late for the historical meeting. I know this would have broke the budget, but it would have been nice for a final show. It would then end with a voice over by Thayer David saying that "For once, all is well in Collinwood.." and Jonathan's Frid's spoken rendition of Shakespeare's "Our revels now are ended.."

Maybe it happened in parallell time....       

Nick

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Current Talk '08 I / End of the Road
« on: January 08, 2008, 08:14:43 PM »
I've been watching the 1840/Judah Zachary storyline and, with three episiodes to go, I thought I'd add a few comments

SPOILERS
This storyline was well acted and had many surprises from day to day. Gerard Stiles was a great villain, even though there were so many people to hate in this period. Edith, Samantha, Gabriel, Trask of course. The writers always seem to have problems coming to the conclusion of a storyline and transitioning to the next one. The story seemed to slow down in the last few weeks, and while 1840PT needed to be introduced, it should have been done more leisurly, with less time spent on every episode towards the end. Everyone was interested in that room! Daphne is busy staring into the room while she is in a hurry to meet up with Quentin!

You know the story is coming to a conclusion in DS when everyone is killed off!

I liked the way Barnabas began to appreciate Angelique, as well as the softening of the character. It made some sense since we got a backstory that she was around a lot longer and was seduced by Judah Zachary. The other good moment was Angelique's reluctantly helping Quentin. Barnabas telling Angelique that he knew she was still selfish and could not change was a good moment. Of course A does help Quentin, at her expense - still  for selfish reasons, to try to hold onto Barnabas. An improvement, but in character.

1840PT looks somewhat interesting, but I would have liked to see the show go out in a contemporary setting. Perhaps it would have been better if the show ended a few weeks earlier, with B&J returning to 1971, as they do at the end of this storyline.

Nick Caputo                 

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I enjoyed these episodes as well. it was good to see some old faces like Willie and Mrs.Johnson again, and the riddle was great. It had me going for a moment. "The H and the Arrow" Harrow, I'm not much brighter than Willie. I'm glad we're finally moving on to 1840, the ghosts and the kids were getting so repetitive, I hope to see improvement in the storyline.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0347
« on: November 02, 2007, 08:10:50 PM »
I love Julia's laboratory. That dissolving thing that Julia put in the vat sure was neat! ... And the liquids were very colorful! [color]

I'm of Italian descent and whenever anyone in my family watches this episode we joke that Julia was making Zeppollas, which, for those who have no idea, is a treat made with flour and sugar.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: i'm doing 1840...finally
« on: November 02, 2007, 07:21:30 PM »
I agree that Grayson could be very good when playing against fellow actors such as Frid, Astredo or Parker. She does a very good job when she is intellligent, courageous and aware of the threats she is facing. When she goes into "hysterical" mode it becomes too over the top for me.

I've been slowly watching the return to 1970 stories as Spoiler:
the children slooooooooooooowly become possesed and have held on, barely, to continue watching. Every once in a while a good episode appears, usually involving THayer David. One moment involving Grayson was very good. David and Carrie were caught coming in the house at 1AM after having gone to the cemetary to stand on Gerards grave at midnight to see if the spirit was gone (or some such nonsense). Julia caught them coming in and David was coming up with some poor excuses (of course, in DS, two teens hanging out in the middle of the night would not elicit questions about sex!). Grayson's disbeliving looks and replies to David are underplayed and perfect.         

The only other interesting parts of this storyline was the introduction of another vampire. The silent ghosts are ok for a while but were drawn out, as was "the smell of lilacs" and Quentin's constantly calling on Daphne.

In another 10 episodes or so the children (who we see far too much of) will become possesed and Daphne will come to life.
Will I make it to 1840? Stay tuned.....

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0417
« on: October 31, 2007, 02:58:42 PM »
Lydia,

My thoughts are that Frid would put himself in a situation where he had absolute loathing for what he was doing but could not help himself. Any number of real life cirmcumstances could substitute for the vampire curse, ie alcoholism, drug addiction, sex offender. If an actror put themselves in that mind set it would give them something to work on by making their sickness real. I think Frid did an excellent job in this respect. 

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: vicki's return from 1795
« on: October 30, 2007, 09:23:38 PM »
[I always had the impression that Vicki had simply gone through the same motions that Phyllis had.  In other words, Phyllis arrived at the  Collin's estate addled from the carriage wreck, was accepted into the family as governess and became the scapegoat of Angelieque. In gaol, law student Peter Bradford took pity on poor Miss Wicke and after the trial went badly, he helped her to escape where she then saved Daniel, was recaptured and then hanged.  Since he had taken the rap for Noah's death, he too was tried and hanged.

I think the general idea is that history is alleged to be pretty solid (none of your "treading on a butterfly in the past will destroy the future").  Broadly speaking, as long as the major events take place, the smaller details of how they happened don't matter so much.  The biggest difference probably was that Peter fell in love with Vicki, where he had not with Phyllis, believed that Vicki was from the future and that belief allowed him to find his way to here in the present (this all could have been Sarah's spirit at work).  They found each other in the present and eventually (imo with Sarah's help) both vanished into the past that Peter was a part of and that Vicki had been so entranced by.

I tend to see it the same way as well. Vikki was there to tell the story in a way that was probably very offbeat for its time. Since it was Phylis Wick who was hanged it was likely she who originally went through the motions that Vikki did. Even the unmasking could have been explained to the locals as witchcraft. When Wick was hanged her appearance changed to her "true self" and Victoria Winters could have been thought of as an innocent girl whose identity she assumed.


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Current Talk '07 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0416
« on: October 30, 2007, 06:49:41 PM »
Hi Lydia,

I get your point now. Sorry, my mind has been on Angelique and her actions, as you will note if you read my "What's love got to do with it?" post. It would be very hard to figure out what she was up to and why, and Vikki is not always the quickest to figure these things out. Of course, when you have help like Peter Bradford, there is very little hope....

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0416
« on: October 30, 2007, 04:04:52 PM »
I believe that Vicky should be thinking - but I know it wouldn't do any good, because motive is no longer going to get her anywhere.  It is true that Angelique apparently got $20,000 out of her short-lived marriage to Barnabas - and in 1795 that must have been a fortune - but if money was what Angelique wanted, it would have been far simpler for her to marry Jeremiah.  If she loved Barnabas, then why did Barnabas die?  If she wanted revenge, then what did she have against the Collins family?  All three Dupres family members are still alive, and since she was a Dupres servant, surely it would be against the Dupres family that she would want revenge.  None of it makes any sense to a logical mind - but Vicky should still be trying to make sense of it.  It's her only hope.

I don't think Angelique ever thought logically. Emotion ruled her and while she wanted the prestige of marrying a Collins, it was Barnabas who spurned her love, thus, in her mind, he was the one who should pay. In truth Angelique would never have been accepted as a true Collins to many of the members of the family. She was "low class" and certainly Joshua would have tried to stop any marriage,  wether to Barnabus or Jereimiah.   If Angelique followed logic she would have forgotten Barnabas and the Collins family and found some lonely rich gentleman to live off of.

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