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Current Talk '03 I / Re:Breakneck Pacing
« on: June 05, 2003, 02:54:07 AM »
Ooooooooooooooh, I created a topic and didn't even realise ;)

As for pacing, I'd agree with the VCR thing, which I think still applies to soaps.  Most regular viewers of a soap will probably only watch three episodes out of a week's block of five, and a good story editor will consider that when they are developing their stories.

With DS' final year, so many of the A.D.S. stories require viewers to not only have watched, but also remembered past episodes, which IMO is asking too much of the regular audience - we all duck off from watching shows to answer the phone or make coffee or whatever...  A mass-market show simply has to make concessions for that part of the audience.  It can't afford not to.

I'm not bought on the argument that all TV is being degraded into MTV-esque pap.  Soaps -- certainly in the UK and Australia -- have seen more evolution is the last decade or so than any other programming genre, and I think a lot of the speedier pacing has more to do with the audience becoming more television literate than anything else.  DS is very theatrical rather than televisual -- most of the writing is basically theatre or radio that just happens to be put on videotape, very rarely do you get outright visual storytelling.  Nowadays, the audience is clued to "read" the text with far more sophistication -- one well-placed close-up reaction shot can do the work of a whole page of dialogue, for instance.

As Robert McKee puts it, a writer's ideal is "good stories told well".  Any producer of a new DS would do well to remember that the stories are only half of the deal.

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Current Talk '03 I / Re:Breakneck Pacing
« on: June 03, 2003, 05:19:54 AM »
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with telling a story with pace, but it shouldn't be done at the expense of clarity, which is what increasingly happened on DS.  If an audience member is left without a clue from missing a couple of episodes, that's bad storytelling.

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Current Talk '03 I / Breakneck Pacing
« on: June 01, 2003, 08:58:50 PM »
(Quote added for clarity after split to new topic - MB)
I totally agree Stuart.  It bothered me the most when a family member died and the next day everyone suddenly came down with a case of amnesia.   For instance when Carl Collins was killed it seemed as if the family just wanted to get the whole funeral thing over with.  I mean this was their brother for goodness sakes!    I think the only one who really took his death seriously and mourned him was Charity/Pansy Faye.   I realize they didn't have the time to dwell on things but it would have been nice to at least hear a mention of the deceased with a fond memory every now and then.

Agreed Cassandra - I guess my view has changed over the years, which probably has more to do with my personal tastes than any shortcoming on the show's part.

Nowadays, I find a lot of the stories in those later years gratuitous - they simply don't need that much going on - it becomes repetitious, especially when certain episodes clock up 25 scenes or thereabouts in 20 minutes...  I think that by 1970 the show needed less story but more reaction - I don't think it could cope with that much drama, but badly could have used some resonance amongst the community of characters.  I don't think that telling these sorts of stories is about shouting loudest - it's about making the events matter to the people involved.

A good example is the return of Maggie Evans from Windcliff - what an amazing cliffhanger, and yet it's so simple, just a girl walking into a bar.  But, with two months or whatever of build-up and some nicely observed "mourning" along the way, it makes a fairly ludicrous situation both real and dangerous.  For the residents, there's the shock of Maggie really being alive, for Barnabas there's the danger of him being exposed - the stakes are so high, without any special effects or supernatural elements.  For me, it's amazing that the whole of the next episode deals with the fall-out of Maggie's return - can you imagine them having the patience and confidence to tell that so simply by 1971?

I don't hate those final years of the show - far from it.  But I just wish they could have slowed down more.  Look at the 1995 episodes - they're so focussed and eloquent by comparison, an ideal template for what DS in 1971 should have been.

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Current Talk '03 I / Re:Holidays for Collinsport
« on: May 31, 2003, 07:43:51 PM »
Yeah, all that stuff would have been fun once in a while - at times, I think "Dark Shadows" really needed to be more of a conventional soap.  The fantasy stuff was great when it worked, but it was a mistake thinking that it was the be-all and end-all.

One of the sad things for me was the way increasingly they lost a sense of the day-to-day stuff for the characters - I think it's a massive failure that the show never really did a death that counted.  I can't think of a single time where I got a sense of the grief and pain that situation should bring, or the long-term effect it should have on the people it touches.

When it worked, the fantasy element really did enhance the drama and underlying themes of the stories, but as time wore on it seemed to anaesthetize the emotional side, leaving it unrewarding  by default.  Never confuse incident with drama, I guess.

At times, just simple things like giving gifts at Christmas, or sharing a family meal could have done a lot to remind you that this was a (mostly) normal family, and brought some identification for the audience.

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Current Talk '03 I / Re:Is Sabrina Stuart for real???
« on: May 31, 2003, 07:30:34 PM »
TBH, what is there for an actor to really do with a character like Sabrina?  I mean, she's just so flimsy - there's no dimension in the scripts to draw any characterisation from.

I'm not saying that a lacklustre character should be matched with an equally lacklustre performance, but I don't blame Lisa Richards for just turning up, saying the lines and leaving it at that...

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Current Talk '03 I / Re:Holidays for Collinsport
« on: May 29, 2003, 01:48:11 AM »
Christmas at Collinwood could have been amazing - can't you just see the foyer with a massive tree and decorations everywhere!  What a sight that would have been...

Far from detracting, I think the juxtaposition of the festive ambience with the usual DS horrors could have been extremely memorable.  There are so many opportunities it presents to delve into the macabre - I can just picture Satan - no, that's not a typo - leaving a gift under the tree, or some ribbon-festooned present oozing blood or whatever :P

With the exception of 1795, one could easily have incorporated the holidays any other year and still kept business as usual.  I don't know about the US soaps, but UK ones like "EastEnders" never seem compromised by the festive season - indeed you can usually count on their Christmas installments to deliver death, misery and backstabbing aplenty...  Nothing makes a better backdrop for something grisly than a bunch of people forced to enjoy one another's company, usually ;)

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Indeed...  Amazon Associates is a minor godsend in that respect :)

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It sounds as if Craig may have added more material since then, and, hopefully, made some corrections.

Very little of the original text remains unchanged - it's a pretty extensive rewrite, and the structure and tone is also very different.

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It's a really nice book and a very fitting tribute - well worth checking out. For anyone who's interested, I also did a review of the book on my site:

http://www.collinwood.net/features/review/biglou.htm

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Current Talk '03 I / Re:Leviathan....the beginning of the end?
« on: May 27, 2003, 04:00:22 PM »
I always have mixed feelings about the Leviathan jaunt - I've never bought it as the complete turkey it's purported to be, but I think that it just came at a time when the overall nature of the show was shifting, along with its priorities.

For example, I'd say that most of 1968 is just as silly and illogical, and in great chunks just as dull.  I think the real problem lies in the increasing shift to plot-driven drama, and perhaps a general boredom with the present day scenario.

One of the problems with 1897 long-term was that it went on way too long - it really did disrupt the present-day continuity in a way that 1795 didn't.  Part of me wishes that they'd simply stayed in 1897 and built a new show from there - I think they had generally had a community of characters of equal quality, and the Victorian backdrops fitted the show's ambience in a way that a miss-mash of Gothic meets Orhbach's never could...

The one thing Leviathan gets totally right is demonising Barnabas - the nice guy thing had really worn thin for me and it was an ideal way to extend the character (bear in mind that a lot of the viewers wouldn't have been watching the initial Barnabas story).  In many respects, Barnabas the villain was enough story - and it was a better starting point than the abstract Lovecraft rip-offs.  In 1967, Barnabas was electrifying - he was dangerous, a plausible liar, an arch manipulator, beyond trust - he just made for great storytelling.  If they could have recaptured half of that essence, it could have been amazing.

The problem was that the main attraction became lost amidst a fairly underdeveloped story that didn't really use its characters - which brings me to plot.  There seems to be a real disparity between being true to the dramatic situation and giving the audience a perceived want...  Take Quentin for example - In 1897 he had purpose and drive, but in the present he simply has nothing to do and meanders.  He should not have been reintroduced without a proper story or purpose, and it damages both the character and show in the process.

Likewise, there seems to be a lack of faith and enthusiasm for the story itself - characters chop and change roles as the story demands and you lose a sense of immediacy and belief.  Admidst this major loss of faith comes a bunch of dodgy additions aiming for nostalgia - Nick Blair, Angelique's bizarre Samantha Stephens-esque jaunt into suburbia, etc.  And while this is going on, the writers seem to miss huge opportunities to get the audience back on track.

Carolyn's wedding always bugged me - weddings are such a soap staple, easy money in the bank.  It irritated and disappointed me so much that one of the original characters was married off so forgettably with zero emotion or romance whatsoever - a real case of DS forgetting that it's a soap opera.  A week-long wedding story, with some genuine happiness, with the threat of darkness lurking beneath the surface, could have been fantastic I think...

Leviathan is a story I want to love in spite of myself.  Beneath all the mistakes there were some major opportunities, but they're lost amidst a lack of conviction - if there's one thing the story lacks creativity, it's joy.  It seemed to have stopped being fun for the makers, and inevitably, viewers usually follow suit.

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Current Talk '03 I / Re:DS Writers
« on: May 19, 2003, 11:05:05 AM »
Violet Welles also did some behind-the-scenes theatre stuff, as a publicist, I think...

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 I / Re:TLAKLS Speaks re Fest
« on: May 06, 2003, 12:23:03 PM »
According to the SG update Tim just posted, what's ending is the 3-day convention format.  Yet the festival site calls the next one "the final DS Festival".  If you ask me, the spin they're putting on these announcements is terribly confusing.

TBH, I think there's a more than a little back-pedalling going on here.  I guess the fan reation was stronger than they expected and the new, less definite tact is an attempt to placate a lot of upset people.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 I / Re:2003 Fest info
« on: April 26, 2003, 02:28:04 AM »
One thing that does occur to me is that the show's 40th anniversary is only three years away - and a potential hiatus of just two years if something was done to mark it.  Thinking ahead, I really believe that's a major milestone that deserves an official celebration, so I hope that the Festival is toying with the idea, even just as a one-off.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 I / Re:2003 Fest info
« on: April 24, 2003, 06:49:33 AM »
I disagree - sure, a convention isn't the be-all and end-all, but the festivals made a tremendous contribution to the show's overall profile, and it was largely their support and cross-promotion that fuelled the PBS syndication drive throughout the 1980s.  Without that contribution, it is highly doubtful that the show would have made it to Sci-Fi or home video.

Like it or not, Dark Shadows and its fans owes a helluva lot to that "disorganized event and insensitive committee"


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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 I / Re:2003 Fest info
« on: April 24, 2003, 06:20:27 AM »
It's sad news, but not particularly unexpected, I think.  As Nancy has commented, organising conventions is generally a thankless task, and the economics over the past couple of years haven't made things any easier.

I suspect that this announcement probably marks the end of organised Dark Shadows fandom, and without regular sustainance of a headline event, I question what future the show has as a viable entertainment property.

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