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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« on: August 15, 2012, 05:00:35 PM »
That's an interesting idea, Lydia! "Meet the Parents" combined with partying like it's 1795!

liquor takes the Collins family a little farther every day.

 [ghost_grin]

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« on: August 14, 2012, 09:34:11 PM »
Willie sighs that no one cared about Jason. You did, Barnabas points out--but I'm sure he doesn't mean to be kind. Knowing he's been given an order, Willie promises to forget Jason--or at least never to mention him again, which almost certainly isn't the same thing.

As they talk, we see a sumptuous, pastel-colored satin period gown lying across Josette's bed. Unfortunately, we will never know what color it is, because we're still in glorious black and white.

To cheer himself up, Barnabas first thinks of giving a dinner party for the rest of the family, then decides it would be too formal. And heaven only knows how much it would tax poor Willie’s culinary abilities, especially since he probably has to prepare whatever meager meals he can manage for himself on the original wood-burning range! Fortunately the gown inspires the idea of a costume party instead.

It's very touching to see Elizabeth really smile when Roger reminds her she can go to the office in town to do the accounts whenever she likes. The reason you never left the house no longer exists, he reminds her--never guessing how right he is! And it's sweet, too, to see him in younger-brother mode, offering to take his big sister on a tour of the plant to see his improvements. They discuss the fact that Jason has left everything at Collinwood, from his expensive new clothes to his toothbrush. Roger wants to have Jason's room fumigated and gloats at the idea that his clothes will be donated to charity. After that,  I don’t think anyone ever mentions Jason again. And so ends the tale of Jason McGuire and the mystery of why Elizabeth never left Collinwood for eighteen years.

Barnabas and Vicki have a highly interesting conversation about the night and why Barnabas finds it lovelier than the harsh light of day. But in his efforts to sound Vicki out, he nearly gives himself away.

Barnabas proposes the costume party, but Roger has to cajole Elizabeth into going. Again he is very protective of her. Vicki seems surprised--disturbed--at the idea of wearing Josette's gown.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0276
« on: August 14, 2012, 04:08:24 PM »
I remember reading somewhere--can't remember where--that DP did play Jason's corpse. I think this is also the last time we see anyone actually carrying a man's body offstage.

I will try to remember, when watching all the clandestine burials to come, whether any of them are more elaborate than Jason's!  [ghost_grin]

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0275
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:12:49 PM »
Once again, for the sake of someone he cares about, Willie is able to exert his will power enough to tell Jason that Barnabas is one of the living dead.

Interesting idea or writer goof?

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0276
« on: August 13, 2012, 06:56:25 PM »
And how could I forget:

Farewell, Jason McGuire! You were a scoundrel if ever there was one!

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0276
« on: August 13, 2012, 05:08:40 PM »
Another episode packed with goodies!

Wonderful scene with Barnabas and Willie conversing over Jason's dead body. Even though Jason tried to kill him, Willie is horrified that he's dead and recalls that they were very good friends. Barnabas talks at great length (for him) about someone he loved dearly who died young.

After Barnabas helps Willie carry off a corpse for the first and last time, Sarah retrieves Jason's cap from the floor--and places it atop Barnabas's coffin. She must be utterly bewildered by the things she's seen Barnabas do. Although she can't understand why he's doing them, surely she knows they're evil. Now that she has seen the worst that Barnabas can do, how will she respond?

Drs. Hoffman and Woodard have a territorial dispute as to whose patient Maggie is. Dave shows Maggie her father's drawing. Sarah! Maggie says delightedly--even though she never learned Sarah's name. But things go rapidly downhill from there as Maggie remembers the rhyme that Sarah taught her to help her escape, and then "London Bridge." Julia is furious, but Dave thinks that finding Sarah could blow the whole case wide open!

Another great scene in the mausoleum as Willie buries Jason in the secret room. Now he has even more reason to hate this place.

In the outer room, Willie reads off the names on the plaques and Barnabas describes them briefly. Willie recalls seeing the portrait of Naomi--it was when he was looking through the books in the study at Collinwood, hoping to find jewels.

Barnabas acknowledges for the first time that Sarah is his sister. Willie asks if she was the friend he was talking about in the basement, but Barnabas answers only, Perhaps. But when Willie muses, It's strange to think about you caring about someone, Barnabas slams the door by replying, We've lingered here long enough.

After her "big brother" (as Sarah first described him when she met Maggie) and Willie leave, poor Sarah emerges from the shadows with her doll. Sitting on her own tomb and cradling the doll in her arms, she rocks back and forth slowly, consoling herself. How sad.



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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0275
« on: August 12, 2012, 06:32:52 PM »
We have the first non-AM voiceover, read by Nancy Barrett. I suppose the writers felt that the story was becoming too non-Vicki-centric to justify continuing the same style of VOs.

The mystery of Carolyn's whereabouts is solved as we see film of her roaming the beach below Widows Hill. We know she's broken up with Buzz because she has traded in her stovepipe pants for a dress. Later, she watches with loving care as her mother finally drifts off to sleep.

Absolutely priceless scenes with Jason and Willie. Willie's frantic panic and Jason's insufferable smugness are fabulous.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0273
« on: August 12, 2012, 06:25:28 PM »
Thanks so much, Lydia! What a wonderful description--it makes me like JB even more!

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0274
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:24:41 PM »
I don't understand why Jason felt he had to rob Barnabas....I find it hard to believe that someone as greedy as Jason would have forgotten the swiss bank account he coerced Elizabeth into giving him, something he could have lived out the rest of his days on, or at least enough dough long enough for him to conjure up another get-rich scheme.

Unfortunately, I have no idea of how Swiss bank accounts work! But Elizabeth might have figured out a way to hang on to the purse strings. It seems that Jason is assuming that now that his plans have been thwarted, she will close the account or otherwise make it inaccessible to him. Or it could just be a writer goof.

I agree with you on Jason's ideas about the good and bad people in the world. It probably is how he  rationalizes his evil deeds.

Jason's threats to Willie may be weak, but Willie is probably freaked out just enough by them to think they're believable. If the sheriff posted a reward for information leading to Maggie's abductor or (*shiver*) corpse, Jason might have been hoping to cash in on it. Remember that only Dr. Woodard, Sam, and Joe know that Maggie is still alive. And Jason probably doesn't have two singles to rub together at this point--he doesn't strike me as the saving type.

And anyway, without that plot point, we wouldn't have those swell scenes of Jason and Willie near the Old House and at the BW--or the scenes that are still to come!  [ghost_wink]

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0274
« on: August 10, 2012, 07:23:33 PM »
I guess he isn't thinking rationally after being chained in a coffin for umpteen years.

That would probably be true of just about anybody.  [ghost_cheesy]

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0274
« on: August 10, 2012, 03:42:09 PM »
My notes inform me that this episode is the last one that begins, "My name is Victoria Winters." The writers are moving away from the search for her identity.

Still lurking outside the Old House, Jason is back in his old turtleneck sweater.

Barnabas laments to Willie about the drawbacks to his solitary existence. He tells Willie, "Miss Evans" didn't have the necessary refinement, and I was too impatient. (Maybe he’s done some research on cult programming in the meantime.) Even though he's set his sights on Victoria, he holds a grudge and still suspects Willie of wanting to let Maggie go.

Fantastic scene in the woods where Jason accosts Willie and utters the immortal line, Dip deep into the chest with both hands and get everything you can! Willie is horrified that Jason has now guessed at least part of what happened to Maggie--and what Barnabas plans for Vicki.

Nice exchange between Vicki and Jason at the BW. For once she shows some backbone and returns most of his volleys with ease and calm. She even manages to hide how devastating Jason's comments about her identity are. I had to laugh when he said he could have "taken Elizabeth out of her shell," even though Vicki is disgusted and furious. What a nasty exit line for him, too.

Because Willie has refused to "dip deep with both hands," Jason has taken matters into his own hands. Late in the day, he breaks into the Old House and notes with satisfaction that the jewel chest is still on the table....



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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0273
« on: August 10, 2012, 03:31:59 PM »
Dopey me--of course I meant Jason! Just chalk it up to enthusiasm! But I personally would also like to get Burke while I was at it.

I agree that Elizabeth probably didn't want to take the chance of finding out that Jason was right and that Paul really was buried beneath the locked room. Besides, she wasn't physically capable of digging up the floor, so she would have had to recruit Matthew. And I'm sure she would have been reluctant to trust anyone with such a huge and terrible secret--it took her 18 years before she could tell Vicki.

Lydia, I also like your idea about the idea of being a murderess never really quite sank into Elizabeth's head. I hope you can lay hands on JB's autobiography and let us in on what she said about this story line.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0273
« on: August 09, 2012, 07:12:05 PM »
What an absolutely mind-boggling episode this was! Even just reading my summary (and the Robservation) brings it all back!

I'm sure everyone would stand in line for the chance to whack Burke over the head with the fireplace poker. That is, everyone but Elizabeth, who only wants him gone.

After Elizabeth explains to Roger why she kept the secret of the locked room for those 18 long years, Roger tries to comfort her: No court would convict you--you have an unimpeachable defense. Paul Stoddard was trying to rob you. Elizabeth answers yet again, I didn’t want to escape the law. I was terrified of what it would do to Carolyn. [By now she must be wondering if ANYBODY understands her motives!]

The sherrif is very nice to Elizabeth and treats her with real kindness.

I love Jason's farewell: As he turns to go, he looks back, holding up a flower from his derailed wedding in a mock salute. Elizabeth, thank you--for everything, he concludes sourly.

Toward dusk, Jason lurks near the Old House, still wearing his wedding suit under his old trench coat and his Greek fisherman's cap.


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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0272
« on: August 08, 2012, 03:37:41 PM »
He's had weeks and weeks to think about the possibility that Elizabeth might tell the truth to the world, and this is the best he can do?

I don't think the possibility of failure ever occurred to Jason. He was so sure of the hold that he had on Elizabeth, and so sure that she would never resist him or confess, that he never thought for a moment that he would need a backup plan.

I love the contrast between Jason's blustering and Elizabeth's utter calmness, now that she's confessed. Too bad Carolyn doesn't understand.

The locked room looks different from when Jason took Elizabeth there in 1949. Did Elizabeth rearrange things during one of her visits?

Just before Burke and the sheriff start digging, Burke comments, Once I wanted to see Liz destroyed, but not like this.

I've seen all the episodes twice from start to end, but I still remember the chill that went down my spine when Burke's shovel hits something hard, and they uncover the trunk.... 

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0271
« on: August 07, 2012, 03:28:46 PM »
A more violent, younger Jason is an intriguing idea. I'm not sure he ever was, though. I think he's probably always done only the threatening part and had somebody else (like Willie) around to do his "wet work," so to speak.

Carolyn admits that she was going to shoot Jason after the wedding. Roger--who seems to approve thoroughly of this plan--tells Jason he's lucky the wedding didn't happen.

I don't think Elizabeth was wimpy after she hit Paul, either. Just think--she was certain beyond a doubt that she's just murdered her husband. I for one would be totally freaked out. BTW, Jason is wearing the world's oldest Band-Aid--the same one as he wears in the present day!

Jason locks the door of the basement room but doesn't turn out the light first.

Elizabeth's last words in this ep. are heartbreaking: I looked at the key I held in my hand, and I knew that from that moment on, I was a prisoner of Collinwood forever....

IluvBarnabas might be interested in this SPOILER: [spoiler]In Shadows on the Wall, the series bible, it was originally planned that at this point Victoria Winters would have learned the truth of her heritage. During the 1949 flashback, Paul Stoddard would have cruelly informed Elizabeth Collins Stoddard of his affair with Betty Hanscomb, which produced Victoria. However, these plans had been shelved (despite the references to Betty in earlier episodes) when the production team decided that Victoria would be Elizabeth's illegitimate daughter instead. And in fact, in a interview late in her life, JB confirmed it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzdndt8OwIU[/spoiler]