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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 21, 2012, 12:33:50 AM »
I'll be there, at your home, Taeylor, for the next DS movie, along with lots of others of us!  (How's that for bad grammar?)  We'll have more than a hoe-down, we'll have a riot!  We'll serve libations, order pizza and make prank phone calls ("This is WLOW with our question of the week!  Answer it correctly, and you'll win our prize!  What did George Washington say when he chopped down the cherry tree?...I'm sorry, but 'I cannot tell a lie" is incorrect.  The correct answer is:  'Timber!'" - oh, the things we did as kids before caller ID) along with playing spin-the-bottle.

I went to see it for my second and last time.  The reason why it's the last time is two-fold.  That's all I can afford (I really couldn't, so I'll be eating lots of peanut butter for awhile), and our little theater is only showing it for a few more days.  There were less than a half-dozen, if that many, in the seats.  Who cares?  I have to now save up to buy the two soundtracks.  And, when it comes out next Thursday on DVD (I'm kidding - but not too much; you know how Hollywood is), I have to buy that, too.  I said DVD, not Blu-Ray.  You think I'm made of money?

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 20, 2012, 11:09:55 PM »
I am not hiding anything. I live in a small town in Kentucky where prices are not what everyone is used to.  It only cost 6.50 to get into the movies. The drink was about 4 dollars with free refills. That matinee is about 3.50!

What?  $3.50 for a matinee and free refills on sodas?  And you didn't tell us about this, dear Taeylor, why?  Do you know it would've been cheaper for many, if not most, of us to buy airline tickets and hotel reservations to fly to your humble abode mixed with paying those prices at your theater than what it cost to seeing it where we live (not counting refreshments)?  Dare I tell you what a matinee costs where I reside, and it ain't like I'm living in Manhattan?  No, I dare not, for, for me to recount it, would give me the vapors. 

The next time a DS movie comes out, please be a true cousin and invite us (we may overflow your home, but we'll all chip in for eggs and bacon for breakfast, not to mention playing spin-the-bottle before we all retire). 

$3.50 for a matinee and free refills and you didn't tell us?  Oh, the betrayal!

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 20, 2012, 09:30:10 PM »
I had to run to the little boys room while all the Roger/David stuff was happening so that will be great to see. I missed the water, David crying etc.  I shouldn't have bought a large drink.  Note to self: Do not drink much before watching movie!

Alright, Taeylor, come clean.  We know you're hiding something.  Nobody can afford to buy a large drink at a movie theater anymore, not even Bill Gates.

Gerard (Who remembers when his mom gave him a dollar to see HoDS and with that dollar was able to pay the admission price that included two movies [the first one was a western], previews, and cartoons - and don't forget intermission, buy popcorn, candy and a soda and had to bring the change home)

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 20, 2012, 06:33:47 PM »
as it was left dangling...

julia and vicki vampires, carolyn a werewolf, angelique dead, collinwood and the business burnt down, plus the entire town knowing barnabas is a vampire, a sequel seems like a hot mess. and completely implausible.

i vote for a new take on the series.

I can actually see all those danglings as leaving a huge number of possibilities for a direct sequel.  I'm even tempted to pen a plot-line just for fun.

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 20, 2012, 06:30:03 PM »
I, too, have mixed feelings about the scene, mixing drama with comedy, of Roger abandoning his son and family with no feeling of remorse.  It was truly moving, especially seeing little David standing with tears in the doorway watching him leave.  Added to the emotion was seeing Barnabas' reaction which was filled with equal pain and compassion for that child for whom he had become so attached.  It was so well done, and all my friends sitting around me groaned in heartbreak.  It was immediately followed by Barnabas with his mind still consumed by his affection for David that he didn't realize he had stepped back into sunlight and began to smoke and then burn while his family and friends standing around him looked with eyes wide and mouths opened.  It was funny, downright funny, but tempered by what had just happened.  When Willie threw that bucket of water on him from Mrs. Johnson mopping the floor, totally amiss at what has happening around her, it was slapstick-appropriate hillarious.  But it was probably too much to quick in combining the action.  If Burton would've directed that David be taken to his room, or some other such action to cause a better transition, ti would've been a flawless scene.

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 20, 2012, 02:06:11 AM »
I couldn't care less what a handful of people on Fazebook have to say.  I don't belong to Fazebook and never will (call me a contrarian).  Depp/Burton didn't deliver a film they wanted - so what?  Let them gloat because it wasn't the number-one-box-office-smash.  I loved it.  I really don't care what a bunch of people who can only find meaning in their lives by posting every day that they had toast with butter for breakfast. So, I'm suppose to take what they say with any consideration?  Go and tell others that you added jam to your toast and butter; maybe somebody will care.  These people, for the most part, boast and brag that they haven't even seen the movie.  So how do they know?  From what other anti-DS-movie people told them?  Oh, right.  I scraped together enough money to go and see it again today by myself.  I'll go without food for lunch or supper.  Watching the beautiful, poignant, appropriate opening credits with Nights in White Satin playing was well worth it.  As for those Fazebook members who think creating a "social network" group with 70 people will somehow punish those who didn't give us the original (which was flawed beyond belief, but we true fans still have always loved it) in just another same-old, same-old form, get a life.  No one cares about what you do every day. 

(Paraphrasing):  "Fifteen and no husband?  You must put those birthing hips to use, or else your womb will whither and...die."  Now that's brilliant!  Why didn't Dan Curtis think of that?  It's funny, but it's true.

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 18, 2012, 01:19:01 AM »
Angelique's "shattering" (for want of a better word) didn't surprise me.  Even though she was a powerful witch, one who could live for hundreds of years, if not into infinity if something didn't disrupt that, she wasn't immortal.  Neither is Barnabas.  He can live into infinity if things don't cross (pardon the pun) his path, like a wooden stake, sunlight, silver (I loved the scene where he "pings" the fork and discovers it won't cause him to burst into flame because the original had been cheaply duplicated and then pawned), or garlic-laden pasta.  Vampires aren't immortal.  Barnabas, Elizabeth, et. al., found Angelique's Achilles heals.  Being hundreds of years old, her soft, supple facade turned into what she really was from the ravages of time:  dry and stale.  I thought it was a brilliant way to show her demise, rather than having her age into some old crone (which would've been a good way to dispatch her, but it's been done before, including in the OS).  But then again, is she really, totally, completely dead?  No matter the various ways she was offed in the OS, she always managed to return.  If there is a sequel to this wonderful film, don't necessarily expect her not to show up (and don't expect the Collins family not to rebuild Collinwood - I'm sure, after Barnabas had them arise back to prominence, they had purchased home-owners insurance).

Gerard

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Jason:  "So, I'm blackmailing Liz and will potentially destroy the family.  At least they could offer me a Tab."

Gerard

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Current Talk '12 I / Re: Am I THAT Blind?
« on: May 15, 2012, 01:16:39 AM »
Yup, they were greeted at the door during the "happening" (don't forget, people in '72 didn't have "balls" anymore).  TLATKLS says something like:  "Thank you for inviting us."  All four are there; it's brief.  Then you see TLATKLS, Lara and David, as has been mentioned, standing behind Elizabeth a bit later.

Gerard

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it launched MySpace...

Do it again, Patti, and then it'll work.  The same thing happened to me.

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 13, 2012, 10:12:36 PM »
I do think the biggest mistake regarding the film has been its marketing. 

First of all, it all started rather late, only two months before its premier.  In the highly competitive film market (made more so by the high cost of deciding what, and what not, to see), one needs to get the upper jump.  Of course, too much saturation can also spell doom.

Second of all, shooting for the supposedly lucrative market of 18-24 is like putting all of one's eggs in one basket.  They ain't the only ones going to movies (like I said, everyone, save for one, in the theater when I saw the film was not only well-over 24, but well over 35).  Folks older often have more expendable income, especially in today's economy, but when all they see are films that appear geared towards an audience that doesn't include them, well, of course they're not going to go.  Even though a huge percentage, if not a majority (and probably a huge majority) of people (kids, actually) have never heard of DS, and Warners apparently wanted to somehow reach out to them, there still are hordes of people my age who have heard of it, who experienced it, who loved it and certainly don't mind having more.  I can't tell you how many people my age, even a decade younger, when I told them I was going to see this film suddenly became excited and had no idea there was a new film.  I'm talking like this past Thursday and Friday.  Many of them, a decade and even more younger, had their only exposure through the '91 version and remembered it fondly and enjoyed it (and were terribly upset when it was canceled).  They thought that seeing a new version of that version was a great idea and would say:  "if I've got time, maybe I'll go see it."  How did the marketers miss all of them (both OS and '91, and a combination of both)?  I think if there had been some ads among the many aired and in print aimed at this audience that referenced the original - maybe a tag-line like "Some Legends Never Die" or some-such, maybe a few photos or quick live-action captures - they would've heard and gone seen. 

Third, refering to the corporate-minded target audience of 18-to-24's, when it comes to Johnny Depp, he's still a box-office draw, but he's hardly the 21 Jump Street star he once was.  He's just this side of the hill of a half-century old (ancient by Hollywood standards).  He's older than what Jonathan Frid was when he created Barnabas Collins.  Thinking that somehow Depp can still draw in teens is not thinking.  Most teens today would have no idea what 21 Jump Street is.  Their parents were teens when it aired.  Even all the Pirates movies are old news by now. 

Fourth, using only out-of-context comedic snippets to make this film appear as a more fun-loving version of Twilight, was a marketing error.  I saw this movie, along with 31 other friends and aquaitances.  None of us considered it a comedy.  It was more horror-action.  All the Indiana Jones films contained great deals of comedy, including slapstick, but did that make them comedies?  They weren't marketed as such, and they all made tons of money (well, maybe not the last one because by the time it came out, the audience had moved on, but it was still an enjoyable film).  They had, in trailers, a little bit of everything.  Don't get me wrong - I enjoyed the humor in the DS film (as did my co-movie-goers) and considered it spot-on.  My co-goers laughed at the right moments, groaned in grief at the right moments, cheered at the right moments, and registered shock at the right moments.  All the right moments are there, so why couldn't the PTB at Warners use them in a nice balance in various trailers? 

One of my friends, who went along with us on Saturday, called me today and said that after his church service was over and coffee and donuts were being devoured, he talked constantly about the movie and how much he enjoyed it and encouraged them to go, including several who were fans of the OS and had no idea that there was such a movie (even though my local theater showing it is only a block away from their church).  Now that should tell us how Warners blew its marketing.  What type of people do they have working in that department?  How much are they being paid? 

Meanwhile, I'm still basking in the after-glo of having seen this wonderful film.  I still think the opening-credits scene of the train carrying Victoria/Maggie to the wilds of the Maine coast, while Nights in White Satin served as the soundtrack, was simply brilliant.  I missed not hearing our "traditional" musical introduction, but this worked just fine and was totally appropriate.  If only the marketing did.

Gerard

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: May 13, 2012, 04:06:50 AM »
My head is spinning a bit right now (from both having seen the film and from the spirits enjoyed afterwards), but I'm in full control of my faculties.

Altogether, 32 of us met at my friend's house at noon, and - despite it being early in the day - we shared two small glasses of champagne each to start off the festivities.  It was one joyful toast.  From there, we went in our caravan to the cinema, forming a long line at the ticket stand, and gathered in the lobby, waiting for a few to hit the concession stand (very few can afford it).  From there, we went to the appropriate theater and filled almost two rows.  We were the majority there.  Most of the other attendees were of middle age - I saw only one teen who was in the company of parents.  That was most telling.  Despite the PG-13 rating, it appeared that everyone, save one, would've been able to attend an R-rated film.  After several previews and the warning to shut off all cellphones, banning even texting, it began.

I loved it.  Everyone did.  Was it perfect?  No.  Was anything in DS ever perfect?  No. 

First, regarding the "controversy" that this film was a spoof or send-off of the original, not one thought so, including me.  We saw nothing in it designed to denigrate the show everyone on this message board loves.  Did it have comedic elements?  Of course, especially the fish-out-of-water of Barnabas trying to adjust, adapt and understand life two centuries later.  Some were slapstick, but most were logical.  We laughed, and not because we felt that the movie was "making fun" of anything from the beloved OS, but because we considered it all true.  We sympathized with Barnabas trying to fit in, and one of the best scenes was him talking with Carolyn about attempting to do just that.  It was funny, but we could feel his attempt to figure out how to behave, how to be accepted.  Many, if not most, of us have been in those situations.  We want to be accepted, to belong.  The film's Barnabas portrayed that nobley, with a good deal of comedy.  He was confused and exasperated.  He was trying his best.

And now for the characters.

The movie Barnabas was wonderful.  He was a completely sympathetic character, just like the original.  Despite his being a "reluctant vampire," he tried to move beyond it and do what he could for the family he loved.  Coming from another time and culture, he struggled with trying to fit in, to understand, to keep himself secret, but it's hard to keep one's self secret all times and the wrong things slip out (and the film's Elizabeth constantly covering for, and "correcting" him was spot on). 

So, speaking of Elizabeth, she was a different incarnation from the original (or the '91 reforming).  She had class, style and forthrightness.  She didn't care about her own problems, she cared about her family.  And she was not above doing what it would take to protect it. 

Her daughter Carolyn was a wonderful manifestation.  I had "concerns" about lowering Carolyn's age from 19 to 15, wondering how that would work, but it did.  I could only envision Carolyn as a later-teen who was more independent and going to bars and swinging with the guys to the latest tune on the jukebox.  That's what she was in the OS and '91.  But she captured the cynical, post-tween child that I remember we all were.  It was a reimagining, and it works.

I should say, before I continue, that because of what I had read about the film, and its divergence from the OS, that I would try to think of it as a whole new thing, just like when I read Hawkes Harbor, the rewritten novel that was suppose to be included the in the failed HarperCollins novel resurrection that died.  SE Hinton changed names of people and places to get it published after it had been rejected by the HarperCollins PTB as "too graphic."  So I tried to read it as a first ever incarnation, even though I knew who each character was.  But it didn't work.  Her novel was DS, even though reimagined in a different way, and despite its divergence from the OS, I still liked it.  The same with this film.  It's not the same - it's different, but it's still our DS.

Roger, like other characters, was also different, a more cold, allusive, uncaring man.  The OS had him as a b*st*rd at times, especially regarding his son, but he would always redeem himself.  Not so here.  This was a different Roger.  He didn't care about his family, including his son, unless he could get something out of it.  I wasn't the least bit surprised when Barnabas realized how shallow he was and he chose to take the one of two ultimatums Barnabas gave him.  That scene, involving David, was one of the most emotional in the film.  A few of my friends shed tears.

David was an incredible expose.  Unlike the original, he wasn't a cruel little snot (even though he liked to get his licks in against Carolyn, but what little boy, with an older neo-sibling around, doesn't do that?), but a lonely, suffering child.  His aunt refused to believe him; his psychiatrist (Dr. Julia Hoffman) refused to believe him.  Only Vicki gave him a small bit of hope, as did Barnabas.  Barnabas' affection for him was truly moving.

Ah, Victoria Winters.  This was the best portrayal of her ever.  Alexandra Moltke was good (since she set the standard), but her wimpy, whining "I don't understand" annoyance made her eventually a stone, and to be perfectly honest, when she left the series (with a few episodes of "Icky-Vicki"), it was time.  I considered the '91 version to be just, plain stupid (sorry Taeylor!).  This Victoria wasn't sure what she needed, but she was sure to get it.  And making her an amalgamation of Victoria/Maggie was brilliant.  The flashback scenes were enough to fill in the details.  I was absolutely ecstatic that my beloved Maggie Evans was in the movie, and she wasn't some slattern as in the '91 version.  Burton and Depp did their homework. 

Willie Loomis was a great character, even though he was obviously more based on the '91 version than the original.  He was enough of a comedic relief that didn't cross into the ludicrous, like the '91 one. 

Angelique.  Now there's an evil vixen.  For me, the prologue explained enough of her infatuation with Barnabas and her driven desire to destroy the entire family over centuries.  I especially loved the scene where it's stated that her hatred for what Barnabas did to her (by rejecting her after using her), did not really constitute hatred, but obsession, otherwise she would've outright killed him.  That's so true.  She knew he was still "alive" in his chained coffin, and the fact that he was would've driven her to slowly torment the Collins family rather than quickly destroy him in the hope that he would see what she had accomplished over the centuries, despite her surprise that he was freed.

And now we come to Dr. Julia Hoffman.  This isn't the same Hoffman from the OS, HoDS or '91.  And that's good.  I'm glad that Bonham Carter decided to go on her own version.  The Julia-in-love-with-Barnabas was good the first time, maybe the second, but by the third it was old and tired.  She found Barnabas "fascinating" because of his "condition," and conducted her experiments not because of any concern for him, but for what it would mean for her.  That is a totally different Julia.  Unlike all the Julia's we have known from the past, all with good intentions, this was a Julia that was totally self-absorbed and concerned for her own welfare.  Why must Julia be portrayed solely as a caring individual?  Because she was that way in the OS?  In HoDS, she was willing to murder Barnabas because he wanted to be with Maggie and not with her, despite all she did for him and was in love with him.  In the '91 version, she wasn't much better.  They changed her for those portrayals.  Why not take it to its logical conclusion here, if they had transformed her before?

And now for one character that was my favorite:  Mrs. Johnson.  I loved, loved, loved how they made her into an elderly, and age-afflicted, housekeeper.  She didn't have one line in the movie.  She had obviously lost a good deal of her cognitiive abilities because of her advanced age, but the family kept her on because they felt a duty to her, despite her inability to do things the way she use to.  I found that so heart-warming.

With most of the major characters covered, now for the rest.

I found the prologue okay, unlike others who think it was the best part of the film.  It did capture the reason why Barnabas became a vampire, but even though it had the gothic nature (and the soundtrack containing wisps of Colbert), I don't see why others (including here) thought it was the best part. 

The opening credits, with Victoria/Maggie on the train heading towards Collinsport, with Nights In White Satin playing as the soundtrack, was fantastic.  The sets were all incredible, as was the filming.  References to the culture of 1972 were spot-on and not overplayed - it was correct, nostalgic and the Barnabas as a fish-out-of-water were done correctly.  The entire concept of Barnabas trying to help his family overcome Angelique's attempt at destroying them gripped me (and all my friends).  The only thing I didn't like was Carolyn being a you-know-what at the end, despite the hints thoughout the film.  I thought that was contrived.  Something more should also have been made about David and his association with Laura, his mother.  But I'm glad that Barnabas, with Vicki, found that Angelique's curse had been broken, although not in the way either would've wanted.  I do see so much for a sequel. 

Again, was it perfect?  No.  How could a movie take over 1,200 episodes and compact it into two hours?  Well, how could HoDS take the same and compact it into a move of just an hour-and-a-half?  How could the '91 version do the same within 13 episodes?  Both failed.  Even the OS failed.  But it's still all here.  If it didn't form the minds of millions of people, this movie never would've been made.  I'm grateful it was.  It's my DS, just as much as the OS, NoDS, NoDS, '91 ('04, which I've never seen) are.  Burton and Depp did an incredible job.  I appreciate it, even if no one else might not. 

As the credits rolled, we all remained as other shuffled out (as most do).  When we left, the next band of fans and erstwhile interested folk were waiting to enter.  Most were middle-aged, just like those when we saw it.  Some asked us:  "Is it good?  Is it like the show?"  Those of us who remembered said:  "Yes.  You'll love it." 

We went back to my friend's house.  Spirits were poured as we insatiated ourselves and then sat down to a "dunch" (a combination of lunch and dinner).  We all talked about the movie and toasted it again.  One of my friends, who originally hated the show, said "that's the best movie I've enjoyed in a long time."  Then, those of us who grew up with the original were bombarded with questions. 

If I could afford it, I'd see it again.  And again.  But for now, I'll have to save my money to buy the two soundtracks and, eventually, the DVD.

My DS lives again.  I don't care if this film flops.  Thank you, Burton and Depp.  You've given to me what I've spent my life enjoying, warts and all.  Warts are a part of DS, from the OS to this movie.  If they weren't present, it wouldn't be DS.  Much of what the late, great, Dan Curtis (to whom this film is dedicated) did on the OS and the '91 was just downright stupid and insulting - please, no one, tell me that it was "fantasy;" - fantasy doesn't have to be stupid and insulting and Dan Curtis should've known better, especially the second time around.  But we love him and what he did.  In the same vein, I love what Depp and Burton did.  It's my DS, and I'm glad it has come back from the grave.

My only other concern has been trying to market this film, as Hollywood always does, to the "target group" of 18-24.  They weren't there when I saw it, but the over-40's were.  And they loved it.  It's time for Hollywood to understand that people who are 18 don't have that much money or sophistication.  Okay, so a movie like The Avengers has broken records.  It happens.  The bottom line for Hollywood is the almighty buck.  That's understandable.  The 1% need to eat, too (even chateaubriand every day).  But if the over-24 crowd is appreciated and things are marketed towards them, then maybe the 1% can have some Bernaise Sauce on their chateuabriand.  I have no intention of seeing The Avengers.  Neither do any of my friend (most have no concept of what it is).  I finally tried to watch Avatar a couple times on TV, while I never saw it in the theater (because the ludicrous animated special effects made it annoying).  It's the most "profitable" movie in history.  I tried, regarding it, and all times it has failed. 

Okay, I'm done with my review and rants.  Wrapping it up, I loved this movie.  It is DS.

Gerard

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I also can't believe it's now just a few hours.  When they first announced the making of this film five years ago, I was so excited.  And then came the waiting, the stalling, the putting-off, the re-scheduling ad infinitum, going on for years.  I was convinced that it would never happen.  There would be talking, planning and then shelving - end of project.  I totally believed it would never happen. 

We've picked the time for the Saturday matinee - 1:50 p.m.  We have a caravan of five cars heading up the interstate, gathering first at a friend's house, where two more cars will join us on the pilgrimage to the theater.  It'll look like a funeral procession (how appropriate!).  After enjoying the cinematic spectacular, we're going back to our friend's house for "dunch" (lunch/dinner), preceded by spirits, "enough to fill the hull of a schooner."

Gerard

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I couldn't care less what critics have to say.  Remember, critics blasted the OS and virtually everything that followed.  TV Guide critic Cleveland Amory ripped the show a new one when he watched it for a week to write his review.  He then said that, after he stopped watching it for the mandatory week he "missed it."  Critics and television critical historians have today softened a bit, taking a better appreciation of the program and what it did and how it found a secure place in our culture, creating a precedence for countless future works, from novels to films to TV shows.  Don't forget that The Wizard of Oz was not highly liked by the critics and, despite several Academy Award nominations, it was not a money maker until years after its 1939 release.  It really didn't become viewer popular until it started to air annually on TV almost 20 years after it hit the theaters.  Today, it's regarded as one of the best films ever made, almost always in all top-ten lists.  Remember the old saying:  a prophet is never recognized in his own land.

As for our DS party group, we have the times for eight Saturday matinees divided between two theaters.  We're trying to figure out which will be the best time.

Gerard

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I was strictly speaking box office, and they don't necessarily have anything in common because a film can be one of the most creative ever made and still not generate box office

You're absolutely right, MB.  How many of you have seen the 2011 film Melancholia?  How many of you have heard of it?  It's an end-of-the-world flick that is undoubtedly one of the most creative and beautifully filmed of that genre.  It won tons of awards and award nominations.  The critics were in high praise.  Those who saw it were amazed.  Of course, one of the reasons for its low box office was bad marketing and it being viewed as "artsy."  But there have been poorly marketed and "artsy" films which were highly creative and wonderfully done that rose high in box office because of word-of-mouth.  It didn't make gobs of money (yet) for the studio, but those of us who took the time and spent the money (including in gas to drive hours to a city that had a theater showing it), find that the time and money was well worth it.  I only wish the studio that made Melancholia (Zentropa - no, I hadn't heard of it until this film either) somehow had found a way to get the word out.

And we need to remember that creativity is in the eye of the creator (and eventually the viewer).  Could they have made a highly creative, straight, gothic-horror-romance version of DS?  I'm sure they could.  But who'd see it?  As has been mentioned here before, we've been inundated with straight, gothic-horror-romance movies (and most not so creative - Twilight, oh, ick).  It's understandable when studios want to capitalize on what's popular, but when it turns into saturation, ticket-payers have a tendency to stay away from what was momentarily popular to the same-old-same-old.  There are people here who will remember the "disaster" genre of the '70's.  It began with Airport (no, not Airplane - Airport) in 1970, followed by The Poseidon Adventure in 1972, and climaxed with The Towering Inferno in 1974.  There were others, but they couldn't surpass TTI and tried all sorts of gimmicks like the seat-shaking sensaround in Earthquake.  You could tell the studios were getting desperate in hoping that the same-old-same-old would continue to make money.  But people, who initially loved all those early disaster films, became tired of watching bygone stars of yesteryear falling/burning/being-crushed to their deaths.  How many times could Olivia DeHavilland be saved from a crashed airliner or a swarm of killer bees?  By the end of the '70's, the whole disaster genre, done to death, became nothing but fodder for sarcasm, ending with its tombstone in the brilliant comedy Airplane.  DS doesn't need to be another Twilight, even if its not and even if it could be done in a dark vein without it being another Twilight.  But the market is now saturated, so it had to do something because Warner Bros. probably figured (and rightly so) that audiences would perceive it as such.

Gerard