With you on that Luciaphil.  Thought it was hysterical that girlfriend thought it over for all of three seconds!  One would hope a little more consideration might be given when selling the old immortal soul.  Guess Edie was just a little overwhelmed by the err, charms (yes, that's the word) of Judah-as-Gerard.

Perhaps the subject line of this thread should have read "Slutty for Satanism"? 

A friend of mine emailed me a link to one of those costumes being sold on Ebay.  IIRC, it went for close to $1600!

And Gothick, I'm with you on the Laura Ingalls and Greg Brady costumes - super freaky!  I feel unclean just for having seen them. 

Have to say, I'm still down with the reincarnation theory, too.  It just makes more sense to me somehow.  And while there does appear to be some evidence from the show that supports Miranda actually living all those years between 1692 and 1795, there also seems to be at least the implication that Angelique was Miranda's reincarnation.  And although 1840 came later in the series, that doesn't mean what was established in that timeline was any more or less valid than what was said earlier on the show.

The Countess' comments that she had known Angelique as a young girl, and known her mother too just don't jibe with the Miranda-is-Angelique theory, IMHO.  If you believe that the Countess' memory hadn't been magically altered, it seems a stretch to think that Natalie would make a distiction between Angelique at age 21 or so in 1795, and Angelique in say, 1792 when she would have been 17 or 18.  That's only three years, yet what Natalie said implies that she's known Angelique for longer than that.  Besides, in the 18th century, wouldn't one be considered a woman, not a young girl at 17 or 18?

This kind of reminds me of the "is Vicki Liz's daughter?" thread a few weeks back.  It was just never made clear (canonically speaking) what the truth was.  This leaves it all up to us as the fans to speculate and discuss.  Like Cassandra said above, it's super interesting to hear all the theories.  Each person can decide what they think, and that becomes the truth for them - which is a bit like life, I guess.

I did wonder if anyone knew this: although Miranda was clearly part of Judah's coven, was it stated for sure that she had any supernatural powers in 1692?  If there wasn't any reincarnation, maybe Miranda spent 100 years acquiring powers and/or selling her soul.  And whatever became of her mysterious, theoretical mother Mrs. Duval?

I guess it's totally up for grabs at this point!  :-

It's so hard to say where it all began with girlfriend.  And I think the writers pretty much re-did her origins with the 1840 storyline.  Like so much of what happens on the show, I think when and where Angelique gained her powers is debatable.

Somebody else mentioned recently that in 1795 Countess DuPres mentions having known Angelique as an "uninteresting" girl.  Around that same time, (IIRC), something was also mentioned about Ange's mother as a village wise woman or some such.  If this were all true, it lends more the theory that Angelique was the reincarnation of Miranda.  Maybe Gerard/Judah could see through the flesh to her soul (if she still had one ), and saw this was the same girl who had betrayed him in 1692.

Then again, maybe Angelique was able to cast some kind of spell over the DuPres to make them think they had known her as a young 'un, and that they had known her mom.  The problem with this is, if she was successful enough as a witch to pull off that kind of a spell, why was she so inept with the spells we see her casting early in the 1795 storyline?  It's like she's just beginning, when she causes Barnabas to choke, or when she zaps Joshua into a cat - she seems surprised at her own strength.  This makes me wonder how she can have been a 125 year old witch at this point.

Of course too, the theory that Angelique was just Miranda under a different name seems strange when you consider that in 1796 she was working as a servant.  Maybe this was part of some greater plan on her part, but that doesn't seem plausible to me.  However, if she'd really pissed off the Devil, maybe that was her punishment - to be thrown into a different time, under a different identity, and to be forced to work as a servant as payback for her part in betraying Satan's homeboy Judah Zachary.

I don't know how long you've had that message under your avatar, Cassandra Blair, but it just made me LOL!!

Glad I gave you a laugh, Raineypark. 

So Bob, what would you rate Josette's plunge?  I'd give it at least a nine.  It's one of the more memorable Widow's Hill tragedies.

[spoiler]And what of the lovely, icy, vicious Samantha Drew Collins?  Doesn't she take a header at the behest of the ghostly Joanna Mills sometime in the near future?
And wasn't Widow's Hill how Joanna met her (unseen) fate by Samantha's hand earlier in 1840?[/spoiler]

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Cassandra Blair

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