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An intriguing idea. Why stop at Carol Channing though? They could have Joan Crawford as Elizabeth's sister-in-law who could be Nicholas Blair's nemesis. Maggie Evans and Joe Haskill could buy the Blue Whale and turn it into a hang out for college kids like the Crimson Lights on the Young and the Restless. The possibilities are endless.

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Current Talk '02 II / Re: The Tragedy of Barnabas Collins
« on: July 06, 2002, 04:47:22 PM »
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The status thing . . . I think what people forget is that it's not like he could have had a real relationship with Angelique.  She was a maid.  In someone else's house.  With probably a huge array of duties that would not have brought her into contact with him.  And when they did get together, I think the only logical things that could have happened were sex and a lot of sweet nothings, which while fun is really not a lot on which to build much of a relationship.

The perennial problem that both Angelique and Barnabas face is that they invest others and incidents with qualities that they don't possess or that weren't there.  They see things as they think they ought to be.  Or as they want them to be.


Don't you think it's possible that Angelique had grander designs on Barnabas right from the beginning? Despite her being a maid, she was able to marry Barnabas, albeit after getting Josette out of the way. In Angelique's way of thinking, all the sacrifices that Barnabas ultimately had to make to marry Angelique were not an unreasonable price to pay for love. The irony of Angelique's curse is that the price others would have to pay to love Barnabas would be greater: death.

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Current Talk '02 II / Re: The Tragedy of Barnabas Collins
« on: July 04, 2002, 07:42:33 AM »
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Hi,Barnabas.  I too wish that Barnabas could
find soemeone special in his life he just wants
to be happy!!          Love Anne ;)


There's the other tragedy! Julia Hoffman has been waiting for him to see that she is that someone special, but he's too wrapped up in the past to see it. Sometimes happiness is right under our nose and we don't even know it.

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Current Talk '02 II / The Tragedy of Barnabas Collins
« on: July 02, 2002, 07:16:40 PM »
After watching today's episodes, a thought I had in the past came back to me about the tragic choices that Barnabas made to bring Angelique's wrath upon him. Angelique asked Barnabas why he never loved her, and he said because he loved Josette.  It seems to me that he could haved loved Angelique if she were not a servant, and therefore in a different class than Barnabas. Is it possible that Barnabas' classism blinded him to his true feelings where Angelique was concerned? If so, isn't it conceivable that Angelique's feelings of betrayal were justified? Perhaps she knew what Barnabas could not admit to himself and thus felt she had a right to have Barnabas for herself, even if it meant putting a curse on him that would prevent anyone from loving him but herself without being able to live. I think this is really the tragic theme of Barnabas' and Angelique's relationship. Even in today's episode, Barnabas still has not come to any true self-realization about his feelings for Angelique. Does anyone else see this as the root of Barnabas' problems?

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: What?s Wrong With These People?
« on: June 29, 2002, 06:04:37 AM »
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Julian, in Arashi?s Hammiest Ham thread, wrote:

Solution: She must get past that crush on Barnabas (he's probably not the only good neck biter in the world!) and either resign herself to friendship only or leave Collinsport entirely.  Either way, she should consider dating other men ? perhaps someone from the 20th century.


Hysterical but true!

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Saint Stokes
« on: June 27, 2002, 03:47:16 AM »
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The indignities don't end there though.  When the coffin is finally exhumed and Barnabas is about to be released, Julia does one of the most unbelievable things of all.  Instead of thanking the professor for his help or acknowledging all of the trouble he went through on her and Barnabas's account, she basically tells him to get lost!  By now, Stokes has ample excuse to hit Julia with the shovel or at least lash out with a verbal insult, but what does he do instead?  He complies, leaving quietly and with dignity, numerous questions still unanswered, determined to have an explanation on a later occasion.


Well, it just shows  how much class Professor Stokes has. I suspect that he thought it might not be the time to ask about Julia's bizarre behavior. Rest assured, Stokes is nobody's fool and he knows that better than anyone.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Malpractice
« on: June 22, 2002, 12:15:01 AM »
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Hey there RP! Just wanted to let you know I agree with you 100 percent about the malpractice thing.I noticed it immediately when Julia allowed Joe to lay there on the floor while she and Barnabas had a conversation.I was like what?..no she isn't...just letting him lay there!...My mouth was hanging wide open.At least she made sure that he made it to the hospital. :D...Adra


That was my reaction too! I'm glad someone else brought this up.  I'm not sure if it would be malpractice or negligence though  ?!? .  I also wonder if their handling of the situation in some way reflected their feelings about Joe. It certainly did where Willie was concerned. At least he was frank about it.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: What a cheap shot
« on: June 20, 2002, 04:58:26 AM »
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That tacky shot of Nicholas and Cassandra standing in front of the slide of Seaview Terrace was without question one of the cheapest, tackiest, cheesiest looking shots ever on this show! I guess it didn't phase them a bit to chromakey these two figures in front of their stock photo but how cheap looking was that?


But it was still glorious color television! Most of us at the time were still too much in awe that DS was one of the few soaps being broadcast in color to care about it's technical flaws. We had a 1960 RCA color tv with vacuum tubes and as good as it was at the time, it was certainly no Sony Trinitron which would reveal all such anomalies. No other show at the time even made the effort to be that creative.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: What would you want in yours?
« on: June 20, 2002, 12:22:31 AM »
The TV remote since it was in my hands so often during life.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Nicholas Blair..that's my Brother.
« on: June 19, 2002, 08:12:20 PM »
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;D

He always says the right thing.  On number two today, Cassandra/Angelique tell Nicholas that since everyone in the house distrusts her, could he (Nicholas) put some potion in a drink and she (Vicki "I don't understand" Winter) will have the dream.  Nicholas, discussed by this whole "dream affair" says

"I do not drug drinks"

You talk about cool, well then you're talking about Nick.  Then, he says it again.  And now, it's even cooler than the first time.  

I like Nicholas.  And that says a lot.


I have to admit, he does have a way of getting directly to the heart of the matter. He never has to lose his cool because he is cool, i.e. he knows what to say to counter any verbal attack.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Angelique's Exorcism
« on: June 19, 2002, 06:18:20 PM »
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Perhaps it was the cross alone that practically destroyed her by rendering her so weak with fear that she became powerless & helpless, therefore sending her off to some limbo land. I think the same thing would have happened with anyone who used the cross as a symbol to destroy her.


My point exactly. His past life apparently was not an impediment to performing exorcisms.

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Nickolas had no trouble bringing her back once he found out where the tree was so this shows me alone that it wasn't the good Lord using Trask for anything. For if it were so, Cassandra would be gone for good. ;)


I think it's an open question as to why Nicholas' was able to bring her back. I agree that Trask was not a *chosen* instrument for Angelique's destruction.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Rev. Trask, the sinner...
« on: June 19, 2002, 02:42:44 AM »
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I'm sorry....did you just say that because Trask REALLY believed  persecuting innocent people was the right thing to do, God felt honor bound to assist him?  If God were particularly concerned about the likes of Angelique on any given day, don't you think God could have found a more deserving assistant?

I think there's a very good reason why Dan Curtis and the writers NEVER got God involved in their story lines.  It's treading dangerous waters.

Raineypark  


In the first place, I never made the faintest suggestion that God was assisting Rev. Trask in his persecuting innocent people.  I wasn't actually referring to anything he did while he was among the living. Rather, his exorcism was effective because he was asking Divine assistance in his battle with evil.

I don't quite agree with you about the writers never involving God in their storylines. Where you have religion, you have God. Where you have demons, you have the idea of evil personified and the suggestion of a personification of good as their counterpoint.

Dark Shadows often delves into theological themes. The exchange between Nicholas Blair and Rev. Trask was one of them.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Angelique's Exorcism
« on: June 18, 2002, 06:20:49 PM »
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I didn't see this topic come up in any of the other threads, though it's possible I could have missed it.  I'm also a bit behind in posting on this.

When the ghost of Trask (I prefer not to dignify him with his mail-order "Rev." title) attempted to exorcise Angelique, his dialogue indicated that he expected demons to be expelled from her and that a new, innocent unpossessed Angelique would be the result.  Obviously things didn't work out quite as he thought.  Angelique disappeared entirely.  Was this the "Lord's" doing, after all?  If so, what are the implications?

The fact that Angelique disappeared in agony seemed further evidence that she is not an ordinary mortal who is simply in league with dark forces.  Though we know from a later storyline that she began life as a mortal, somehow she was transformed into something more than human after the Judah Zachary episode.

But would the Lord really use the ghost of the evil Trask as his instrument?

Is it possible that what really happened was that the Devil snatched Angelique away from the religious torture she was undergoing, which appeared to be real?

Subsequent events would tend to support this latter interpretation  -  i.e., it was not the Lord's doing but the Devil's when Angelique disappeared.

Any thoughts?


I think that his exorcism was successful as an exorcism. The ghost of Trask was able to command divine powers based on his belief that he was doing battle with the powers of darkness. As I commented in another thread, the fact that Trask was a sinner in life did not therefore mean that as a ghost he was in the same company as Nicholas Blair and Angelique. It is interesting that he seemed unaware that her body was not an ordinary mortal body. She seemed to acquire some new mysterious physical form after she was killed in 1795.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Rev. Trask, the sinner...
« on: June 18, 2002, 06:10:10 PM »
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Did anyone catch Nicholas Blair's correction of Trask's title?  Trask wanted to be addressed as "reverend" but Nicholas corrected him by saying, "Mr. Trask".

It gave me the impression that Nicholas knew of him a long time ago and knew that this mortal was no man of God but a fanatic caught up in the witch hunt hysteria.


Hadn't the witch hunt hysteria actually ended about 100 years earlier? They never explained how they could have a witch trial so many years after they had been outlawed.

It was soon apparent that Trask was a self-styled Rev. and even Joshua and Barnabas refused to accept his self appointed title. Trask, however, believed that he was doing God's work, no matter how ill-conceived his notions about how to go about doing it were. Thus, even as a religious fanatic and a hypocrite, he was able to command divine assistance.

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Current Talk '02 I / Rev. Trask, the sinner...
« on: June 17, 2002, 08:43:27 PM »
I find it interesting that in spite of Rev. Trask's many faults, he still fancies himself as a man of God. This raises an interesting theological point: Evil deeds do not a servant of the Devil make. Nicholas Blair would have the ghost of Rev. Trask believe that because he's a sinner, he's under the power of Evil.  It struck me that in spite of his many sins of the past, Trask wasn't buying in to that lie. I thought that was quite a brilliant bit of ghost-demon interaction. Has anyone noticed that when Angelique is up to her tricks, no one ever barges in to foil her spells? Yet the ghost of Rev. Trask seems to have such lousy timing...wouldn't he know that Jeff Clark was going to come back and spoil his apparition? The one good thing he wanted to do for Vickie gets all fouled up with bad timing. Or is it that Evil is just more clever?

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