DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '06 II => Topic started by: thirdratehack on August 22, 2006, 05:02:35 AM
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Been reading threads and for the most part enjoying this message board. A few posts in the Parts You Cant Watch Thread a few people said they did not like Adam.
I like the Frankenstien theme. It did get long though especially writing for A and N. I hate them.
If nothing else the storyline shows you just how hard it is to be good even if you are inherently so. Poor Adam cannot know who is really his friend and he chooses the bad guy but that is not his fault. I wonder how many of us really know what the people in our lives are really like? That is the creepiest, and scariest storyline in my opinion because it has a basis in fact. You can't know who your friends really are or who is really good or bad and for anyone suffering any kind of abuse you know what I mean.
Then again, Adam could think for himself instead of allowing N to do it. This is how evil works. We see it today in the news. Seems like no one has any sense of personal responsibility and no one wants to think for themselves. The Dharma Of Dark Shadows
DS RULES
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I liked the beginning of the Adam story. Once Nicholas Blair got involved, it messed the whole story up and it went downhill from there. I'm sure they could have come up with interesting developments with just Adam and not the resulting story they used.
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What gets me about Adam is that nobody ever talks sense to him. Nobody says to him: "Adam, if you're nice to people, they're more likely to be nice to you." Or: "Adam, I'm sorry that in just a few short weeks you haven't managed to find an ecstatically satisfying romantic relationship, but most people don't manage to find one in all their lives." Or: "Adam, the reason people dislike you is not that you're ugly. It's that you're an immature pain in the neck." I can't remember what they do say to him. All I remember is that it's stupid and irrelevant. (I used to have an uncle like that. It was OK that he was an jerk. What was not OK was that when I talked with him, I turned into an jerk.)
In the episodes before Adam actually came to life, there was a wonderful feeling of "This show could go in a million different directions." What's the episode in which Harry comes home to Mama? That was great - so many possibilities were in that episode. And then we got Adam. It's not that I'll never watch that storyline again. And I won't fast forward through it either. But it's very, very frustrating to watch.
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He was controlling, got annoying a lot of times, thought his way was the only right way to do things, badgered Julia too many times, and for the most part he just got on my nerves. I don't like Frankenstien storylines. It doesn't work for shows. They tried it on Buffy The Vampire Slayer and that season/villain is considered one of the least favorite among fans.
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I always felt sorry for the poor schlub- he didn't ask to be born, and he was only created as a means to end Barnabas' curse. Just try living with that! Besides, if anyone is to blame for Adam getting violent later on, it's Nicholas! He was the one who put all those ideas in his mind about creating Eve. Nicholas didn't give a damn about Adam, but the same could be said about Barnabas and to a lesser extent Julia. Adam was merely Nicholas' pawn in his grandiose schemes. At least Eliot Stokes showed real compassion in giving Adam a chance for a real life. If only Barnabas & Julia had acted more humanely to him, tryinmg to educate Adam in the ways of the world and doing something about those scars! My heart broke for him because he really loved Carolyn. Of all the various men in her life, I felt that Adam was probably the best for her: he didn't have ulterior motives like sacrificing her to some stupid altar like Jeb, or to use her as a pawn in a campaign of revenge as Burke did. The chemistry between Robert Rodan and Nancy Barrett was delicious- very close to being DS' version of Beauty & the Beast. No wonder Sam Hall wanted to revive the romance down the road, as he outlined in his TV Guide article. This love story has yet to fully explored!
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I guess why I didn't care for him is because I didn't care for the storyline - the whole Frankenstein thing was, IMO, schmaltzy. I remember seeing it when it first aired in the stone ages of back-and-white TV sets that took forever to "warm up" with knobs that turned and a rodor sitting on top to maneuver the antennae on the roof (through which you could only pick up three stations), and it really frightened me, but I was only ten-years-old. But now I see it differently. It didn't have any of the subtlety or finesse of the last monster-on-the-loose-in-Collinsport, i.e., Barnabas' first appearance. For that one, the only thing anyone knew was that a serial killer was out there who was never seen or ever caught. In this one, Adam was lumbering about, terrorizing hapless witnesses, breaking into Collinwood and carrying off the beautiful girl before her frightened mother, etc. And everyone was trying to hide him from one place to the next - the basement of the Old House, Stokes' apartment, the abandoned shed, the closed-off West Wing, at Nicholas' cottage. The guy never got a chance to unpack. No one really knew what to do with him. It was all just too long and convoluted for me.
Gerard
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I liked Adam and the Adam storyline. What Adam really needed was a hug - but nobody ever wanted to give him one! Barnabas was a jerk to him, Willie was sadistic towards him, Nicholas used and twisted him, and Eve loathed him. The only person who was ever completely nice to him was Stokes.
Adam functions as a metaphor for the abused/neglected teenager who "falls in with the wrong crowd" and who suffers from a bad case of unrequited love which he blames on his ugliness. He's the outsider, who becomes embittered over his unfortunate circumstances. As Charles_Ellis said he is not inherently evil - the reactions and treatment he gets from other people cause him to become that way, much like the Monster in Shelley's novel. Indeed, Rodan's Adam is closer to Shelley's creation than many film versions are.
-Penny
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The original novel was about Man usurping the perogatives of God.
The original movie was about Man's inhumanity to man.
I've never had a clue what the DS version was about..... ::)
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The original novel was about Man usurping the perogatives of God.
The original movie was about Man's inhumanity to man.
I've never had a clue what the DS version was about..... ::)
About man getting ahead?
Gerard
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About man getting ahead?
Or was that a head?.........[lghy]
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Adam was cobbled together, and when he is brought to life he's virtually a blank slate. I really enjoyed watching Robert Rodan's portrayal of the childlike Adam, it is very convincing and well done.
Unfortunately, Barnabas was simply using him as a means of escape from his curse, and viewed him as little more than a tool, in fact, not many people were kind to him, which was really all he needed. I felt so terribly bad for him. It wasn't his fault he turned violent. After all, he had Nick to guide him. ::)
Sam Evans tried to help him, but obviously that was short lived.
Dear professor Stokes was the only one to show true compassion for him.
I know Carolyn was nice to him, but she really was at a loss as how to deal with him.
My only objections to the Adam story line was that it dragged on much too long and became rather boring.
And it made me angry the way Nick kept putting ideas in to his mind, feeding Adam so much rubbish, and Adam was too innocent to understand Nick's scheming and dishonesty.
In the end, poor Adam was taken advantage of, passed from one person to another, that blank slate which could have been filled with so much goodness was blackened with malice and anger, quite a sad tale.
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There's also an interesting interpretaion of Frankenstein stories that it touches on the concepts of the human male's inability to create a child on his own, and the responsibility of parenting a child. [frankie]
I do think the Adam storyline touch on Barnabas's inability to take responsibilty for his part of Adam's creation. Adam is in many ways his surrogate child. Yet, Adam is consistenly treated more like an animal. This may give an indication that Barnabas, not having a "perfect, normal" child, may not have been the best parent. Professor Stokes at least treats and respects Adam like a "special needs" child.
I think what get tedious about the story is just how badly the second half was paced at times. Likewise, the "evil" Adam, is almost bereft of the sympathetci qualities he had earlier. Rodan was very very good up to that point.Eve never really has any sympathetic qualities,(not Marie's best role! [gorgeous]) but lacks the kind of charm Nicholas has while still being throughly evil. [91a2] None of this is the actor's faults. Its just the scrpits tend to get a little rushed to resolution in the final third, IMHO.
Michael
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I think Barny and Julia are complete idiots. I realize that the writers are at fault and they wanted to have something 'crazy' or whatever to make viewers tune in but instead they made Barny and Julia child abusers. BandJ are also idiots. ONE word would've solved it all: WINDCLIFF.
That isn't what the writers thought that the viewers would tune in for and I suppose Frid was tired of biting girls so they had to do what they could but it is still hard to watch because I hate seeing Adam abused. And it makes it very hard to make excuses for Barny. Barny fans will love him anyway because they are all having sex with him in their fantasies but that just dont gel with me. Barny is evil and that is all there is to it. I used to like Barny when I first started watchin the series, then I grew a brain and realized that all his whining that he wants to be human is only because it is inconvienient to be a vampire sometimes and he has the balls to think that he can still have all the girls he wants. The man has no compassion for anyone especially not Adam. He, as someone else said, only created Adam for his own selfish reasons. Barny is selfish and shallow. This series of episodes shows it. Now that he is free from the curse Adam has no use nor does Barny want to be responsible. AGAIN, all through DS is the theme of lack of personal responsibility. All characters show this. DS can be viewed as a moral lesson play or having valuable things to say not just silly rattling sets. I like that part of DS too but it is not why I am a fan or continue to view the series on video.
And one could say that this series of episodes shows why Barny doesn't want Julia or Magda or any challenging female: because he is a jerk that wants to control everyone and he doesn't want a challenging relationship. He wants, like Q-Man, to have no responsibilities. I mean, do you REALLY think you could stand two minutes with Josette? She must be blonde.
Julia is a terrible doctor. I am not able to believe that she is some genius blood specialist AND a psycologist. If she were so smart she'd know how to handle Adam. And put Barny in diapers.
For killing Woodard and abusing Adam and the fact she is insufferable, a bitch, and looks like Michael Jackson I don't think Julia should be allowed to have Barny. That should be her punishment.
And as for Barny...he should have to spend eternity with Angelique. Hehehe, that is punishment enough! I respect Lara Parker and certain she'd be a hoot to hang with, not on the gallows, however, I HATE Angelique. She is a bitch and a whine and I just can't watch her. She isn't evil in a way that makes you fascinated she is just a dumb blonde with powers. Even the devil can't stand her that is why she is constantly appearing...that'd be some funny fanfic. The REAL reason Angelique is on Earth is not because she wants Barny but because no one, not even the devil, wants her. She is also insulting after a while. She makes women appear stupid. She has a very teenagerish angst and dialoug which isn't unusual since a huge part of the DS audience where horny teens. Oh, bite me Barny! Cream, cream.
Barny acts like an immature teenager too at times and I LOVE the looks that Julia sometimes has on her face when he starts rambling on that he is gonna kill someone. She's his freakin' parental unit!
Man, I love Dark Shadows!
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He was controlling, got annoying a lot of times, thought his way was the only right way to do things,
Like a fundamentalist in any religion. Or any child. He WAS a newborn for pete's sake. Do you have kids? Be prepared.
I don't like Frankenstien storylines. It doesn't work for shows. They tried it on Buffy The Vampire Slayer and that season/villain is considered one of the least favorite among fans.
Prbably because the fans are mindless teenagers who only want something of sexual fantasy value. They don't want to actually think. I don't think Barny or any vampire would be popular if there wasn't strong sex vibes that Hollywood invented. Real vampires legends say that they have foul breath and appear more like Nosferatu. I don't think Nos is sexy.
America really has to grow up.
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i myself don't have fantasies of having sex with Barnabas
but maybe that is just me ;D
i hated the adam storyline because it was boring
jennifer
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I didn't have sexual fantasies about Barnabas either. I can think someone is fascinating and even attractive but don't necessarily want to take a roll in the hay, or coffin, with him. Barnabas was the reason I ever watched DS in the first place but that doesn't mean I would want the guy living with me.
Nancy
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He was controlling, got annoying a lot of times, thought his way was the only right way to do things, badgered Julia too many times
This description could easily be applied to Barnabas. ;D
I have found that the Adam storyline plays better when viewed a second or third time, but I do agree that the character could be annoying. Perhaps it stems from watching a very large adult male act like a spoiled child -- the contrast between Adam's appearance and behavior is really quite startling (not to mention grating). Also, I always thought that green sweater looked terrible on him, and I would find myself fixating on how bad it looked, which probably added to my frustration with the character.
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I disliked the Adam storyline because it marked a major change in overall tone and focus of the show. Before the Adam storyline the focus was on the Collins family. With Adam they began to throw in everything but the kitchen sink and the focus changed to outsiders (Nicholas Blair, Adam, Eve) and the Collins family sort of went into the background. I didn't like that very much.
I've never been a big Frankenstein fan, either, I suppose. One of the few classics of the genre that never really interested me.
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I disliked the Adam storyline because it marked a major change in overall tone and focus of the show. Before the Adam storyline the focus was on the Collins family. With Adam they began to throw in everything but the kitchen sink and the focus changed to outsiders (Nicholas Blair, Adam, Eve) and the Collins family sort of went into the background. I didn't like that very much.
You know, Barnabas'sBride, I never really thought of it that way, but you're right, the show did move away from the Collins family, and that did take away from the show just a bit.
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i myself don't have fantasies of having sex with Barnabas
but maybe that is just me ;D
i hated the adam storyline because it was boring
I think Eve put it all in perspective when she said this to Blair about Adam
"He's Ugly, He's Boring, He's Stupid"..........but in all fairness as a kid of 13 watching Adam back in
the original airing on ABC, i looked up to Adam as a role model....the writers could of made him more
of a hero if they wanted....and the scenes with him and Carolyn made this teenager go ..."WHOO"...and Eve in that black gown....ohly chit.....better than any magazine i had hidden at the time in 1968 >:D
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He WAS a newborn for pete's sake. Do you have kids? Be prepared.
Nope, I don't and will never have kids.
Prbably because the fans are mindless teenagers who only want something of sexual fantasy value. They don't want to actually think. I don't think Barny or any vampire would be popular if there wasn't strong sex vibes that Hollywood invented. Real vampires legends say that they have foul breath and appear more like Nosferatu. I don't think Nos is sexy.
America really has to grow up.
I don't understand how sex got involved, but if you must know one of the many things I love about Dark Shadows is that sex was never brought into the show until the last storyline with Bramwell and Catherine and by then DS was a new show I didn't like so I don't count that. I could care less about sex on shows. I watch shows for the stories, not to see people jump in and out of bed getting it on. If you watched Buffy, you would understand why that story was the worst on the show. How do you know what Buffy fans think? Are you in their minds? I got offended by that comment because I was teen when Buffy was on and believe me sex was never my big obssession with the show. I'm sure a lot of Buffy fans were the same way. Sex was never big on Buffy anyways. It was mainly stories about villains and their personal problems. Don't make accusations like that.
This description could easily be applied to Barnabas. ;D
True. However Barnabas became a character you could like. Adam didn't get that chance. Maybe if they brought him back later on and gave him a better story I might feel differently.
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I don't like Frankenstien storylines. It doesn't work for shows. They tried it on Buffy The Vampire Slayer and that season/villain is considered one of the least favorite among fans.
Prbably because the fans are mindless teenagers who only want something of sexual fantasy value. They don't want to actually think. I don't think Barny or any vampire would be popular if there wasn't strong sex vibes that Hollywood invented. Real vampires legends say that they have foul breath and appear more like Nosferatu. I don't think Nos is sexy.
America really has to grow up.
thirdratehack, I'd recommend the online discussions on Buffy forums about the show's Season 4 because I'm confident that if you check them out, you will find intelligent, thoughtful discussion, and that its devotees run the age gamut.
And in fact, a simple search of these Forums (the Search feature is our best kept secret ;)) should reveal that many DS fans are also into Buffy. Like Satan, I thought the characterization of its fans as mindless teenagers was unfairly harsh.
Adam is my least favorite of the Buffy villains too because I just didn't find him compelling or interesting. He lacked the humanity that Robert Rodan brought to his characterization. That is one reason that Season 4 is my least favorite (can you say Riley?), though like my least favorite DS storylines there is also much to love about it-- what was done with Oz and Faith, as examples, and the introduction of Tara and the First Slayer.
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I mean no offense to anyone or their opinions, but I have to agree with another post, I too appreciate the fact that Dark Shadows didn't have any explicit scenes in it. I think a story can be enjoyed without having those types of scenes in them. Of course this is just my humble opinion. :)
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thirdratehack, I'd recommend the online discussions on Buffy forums about the show's Season 4 because I'm confident that if you check them out, you will find intelligent, thoughtful discussion, and that its devotees run the age gamut.
And in fact, a simple search of these Forums (the Search feature is our best kept secret ;)) should reveal that many DS fans are also into Buffy. Like Satan, I thought the characterization of its fans as mindless teenagers was unfairly harsh.
Adam is my least favorite of the Buffy villains too because I just didn't find him compelling or interesting. He lacked the humanity that Robert Rodan brought to his characterization. That is one reason that Season 4 is my least favorite (can you say Riley?), though like my least favorite DS storylines there is also much to love about it-- what was done with Oz and Faith, as examples, and the introduction of Tara and the First Slayer.
Season four of Buffy was just weird. It went into the sci-fi area with underground science labs and agents doing tests on demons, making their own big bad. I'm not into that. I rather see supernatural stuff than science fiction. True about your least favorite seasons/storylines having something good about it. Tara being introduced and Willow becoming her girlfriend was the only good thing happening in that season. With Dark Shadows, the only great thing I liked about the Adam storyline was that they brought Marie Wallace to the show. I love her as Eve, Jenny and Megan. She was a great addition to the show.
I mean no offense to anyone or their opinions, but I have to agree with another post, I too appreciate the fact that Dark Shadows didn't have any explicit scenes in it. I think a story can be enjoyed without having those types of scenes in them. Of course this is just my humble opinion. :)
I agree. I was glad they were able to go on for so long without having to bring that to the series. [spoiler]Bramwell and Catherine having sex, then her getting pregnant, and not letting anyone know was too much like an ordinary soap opera storyline. That and there not having any regular characters in the 1841PT is why I don't consider that storyline part of DS.[/spoiler]
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Oh boy, I haven't yet scene the 1841 story line, and now I'm sort of dreading it. :-
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Oh boy, I haven't yet scene the 1841 story line, and now I'm sort of dreading it. :-
Mind if I put my two cents worth in here?
NEVER, EVER pre-judge anything you haven't already seen by the comments of other people. Not even those of the truly die-hard DS fans we have around here.
The only opinion of the show (or any part of the show) that should matter to you is your own...and you can't make up your own mind until you actually SEE it for yourself.
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Thanks for the advice, Raineypark. I suppose you're right about that. :)
So now it's off I go to begin watching these episodes. :)
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Mind if I put my two cents worth in here?
NEVER, EVER pre-judge anything you haven't already seen by the comments of other people. Not even those of the truly die-hard DS fans we have around here.
The only opinion of the show (or any part of the show) that should matter to you is your own...and you can't make up your own mind until you actually SEE it for yourself.
I agree with this. A lot of DS fans dis the Leviathan storyline causing new fans to dread seeing that while I think it's a great storyline. It was new and different. Plus I thought it was exciting in some scenes. The only thing I hated about it was that it is the last storyline to feature Marie Wallace in the show.
I never saw the 1841PT storyline until I bought the last DVD collection and so far it's quite dull. They should have had one of the regular characters in this story. It might have been better.
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I like watching the latter half of the Adam storyline (i.e., after the last Dream of the Dream Curse), but the earlier part is just...ugh. I realise it's got some classic scenes with Stokes and Cassandra et al, but it's hard to sit through all that Adam stuff. The second part is much more interesting than the first, IMO, mostly due to Nicholas, the Devil, Angelique, etc.
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I can sum up the reason for my dislike of Adam in one word: arrogance. I liked the storyline overall, the romance with Carolyn was boring but it didn't make me dislike him, and I absolutely loved the stuff with Nicolas Blair, Eve, Angelique, etc. I found him sympathetic for a long time, but when he started assuming he was really smart, and of course he was wrong about most everything, I just couldn't stand his character anymore. When he'd go over to Barnabas' house, start issuing orders and bossing everyone around, it's grated on my nerves.
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Like a lot of people on the board I am a fan of Barnabas and not because I want to jump in the sack with him, nor was I a fan of Buffy in high school because of any sexual content on the show. Most people are fans of something because they are intruiged by it's storyline or characters. Dark Shadows first drew me in because of it's supernatural elements, as did Buffy.
I personally grew frustrated with the Adam storyline because as smart as he was he just threw tantrums like a spoiled kid (which to a degree he was). It wasn't just Adam I was frustrated with but nearly every character that came in contact with him save Stokes. No one ever said a rational word to him, nor did they take a moment to tell him that that just isn't the way the world works. You can't bully, punish or threaten to get what you want without someday meeting the consequences head on, or without people refusing to help you.
I could identify with Carolyn wanting to let Adam off the hook easy on the romantic angle, but then getting really annoyed when the guy just wouldn't take a hint. Barnabas and Julia brought him to life, but when they discovered that he had the mental state of a newborn, washed their hands of him and pawned him off on Willie, whom I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw. Nicholas and Angelique ARE from hell after all, so you know their dealings with him weren't with any good intentions.
It was a huge relief to me when Chris and Amy showed up and signaled the start of a new storyline.
Admins feel free to delete the following if it breaks any forum rules.
This is not an attack or an insult, but I don't think it's fair at all to ask for opinions and then get angry because they don't agree with yours. The forums are a great place to debate and converse, but in a civil manner.
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The chemistry between Robert Rodan and Nancy Barrett was delicious- very close to being DS' version of Beauty & the Beast. No wonder Sam Hall wanted to revive the romance down the road, as he outlined in his TV Guide article. This love story has yet to fully explored!
I totally agree on this. I also felt Robert Rodan and NB had the best romantic chemistry of Barrett's beaux. Though NB always got along charmingly with the men she paired up with there was never that "umph" of romantic interest I felt with, let's say with - Barnabas/Josette : ), the crazy Barnabas/Angelique or even the beautifully complex Naomi/Joshua couples. (I never Saw Barrett and John Karlen and I read they were good together as well). RR and NB had a definate "spark" that was very cool to see considering I still feel NB was the second lead character actress, albeit very good, but didn't get the meatier or perhaps didn't attract the more interesting romantic relationships.
Regarding the character of Adam - he was initially played as an achingly pathetic creature with a considerable amout of harsh honesty and also integrity from Rodan. Rodan never attempted to romanticize Adam and I respect him for that. Adam just wasn't a very likeable person and he became, interestingly enough, a rather harsh, petty and cruel monster in the short time he was able to absorb what he was, what was done to him, how he was created, how people reacted to him and basically, was his prospects were in the life he found himself. Adam had the intelligence to realize that he was doomed from the start and acted accordingly. I feel the character should have been killed sooner as the story, especiallly that yucky Eve stuff, dragged on much too long. If he had been killed earlier the Adam story might have been more poignant. I would also have liked to have seen Rodan come back as another character as he had the talent and potential.
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This is not an attack or an insult, but I don't think it's fair at all to ask for opinions and then get angry because they don't agree with yours. The forums are a great place to debate and converse, but in a civil manner.
I love diverse opinions. Go for whatever you feel!! (but be polite - as we all are I think) : )
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Adam had the intelligence to realize that he was doomed from the start and acted accordingly. I feel the character should have been killed sooner as the story, especiallly that yucky Eve stuff, dragged on much too long. If he had been killed earlier the Adam story might have been more poignant. I would also have liked to have seen Rodan come back as another character as he had the talent and potential.
Good point, I agree with you there. Especially about the poignancy of the story had the character been killed sooner. (Even though he wasn't technically killed off!) Imagine how bad we would feel for the poor guy if he had been killed before he learned to communicate. He might have more fans. However, if there is one thing DS is not known for it is breviety of storylines!
And I agree with you that Rodan was fantastic in the role, I too wish he had been given another character to play down the line.
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I think the real problem was Robert Rodan's appeareance in that horible 1969 movie The Minx!!!!
David
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like barnabas' bride it's not so much the character of adam per se i dislike as much as what his appearance represents on the show.
before adam the show was written with a more adult sensibility.you're dealing with supernatural characters(a pheonix,a vampire,a witch)but in general it was plotted like a traditional "soap opera".i liked that.
with adam the tone and focus of the show changes violently.for me it becomes almost cartoonish during this storyline with monsters coming out of the woodwork and the original,human characters relegated to the sidelines.plus the darn thing just goes on forever.
eventually i got used to this new pacing on the show but i remember finding the first adam episodes to be almost physically jarring.
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And wasn't it great during the storyline when Dr Hoffman examines Adam and comes to the realization that Barnabas is in bad trouble and how he and Adam are joined at the hip so to speak.? The storyline wasn't totally bad and I thought it had some great things going for it and in particular the Carolyn/Adam eventually Eve theme. However, as others have said it got to be boring after awhile and I was glad when it ended.
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I kinda liked Adam though at times he did get on my nerves.
In defense of Barnabas and Julia they honestly did try to be kind to him [spoiler](and this was before they found about about the link between him and Adam)....it wasn't until after Willie sadistically taunted Adam and Adam tried to kill him that Barnabas was really forced to hurt him. Maybe Barnabas could have found another way, but under the circumstances I think if Barnabas had stopped to think about it Willie would have been as good as dead.[/spoiler]
Julia was right when she said Adam was a child brought into the world fully-grown. Adam had no experience with the world whatsoever and a lot of his misforunes can be attributed to this. Adam was easy prey for a charming yet manipulative man like Nicholas Blair who filled his head with nothing but lies and schemes.
(BTW to the poster who said Barnabas was evil, I can't agree. I agree some of Barnabas' acts really were truly evil, but he himself I really believe wasn't truly evil. He did have a heart and soul, it's just sometimes he could
be selfish and cruel I will admit that but over the years on the show he proved he was capable of warmth and love).
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I always felt sorry for Adam, until he strapped Vicky Lewinsky to the table in the Old House (If I wasn't actually SEEING what was going on, it SOUNDED like an X-rated version of Dark Shadows when girl was being tortured!). What Willie did to Adam in the basment cell when he was still like a baby is absolutely unforgivable!
One scene that still sticks in my mind, is when Adam molested Carolyn on the floor in the West Wing. Did he rape her or not? It was never talked about, and nothing ever came up about it (like a pregnancy), but it seems to me he did!
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I think he probably would have raped her, but he didn't know how. She seemed to forget about it quickly enough though. It didn't take long at all before she was getting all indignant about Barnabas making accusations against him (all of which were true of course).
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Has Robert Rodan ever appeared at a Fest? If so, how was he received by the fans?
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Has Robert Rodan ever appeared at a Fest? If so, how was he received by the fans?
He has retzev, he usually turns up at the LA Fests, don't know that he's ever done a NY one, at least not that I'm aware of. He is received very well actually, he's a really nice man, but he does seem a bit overwhelmed by it all at the autograph table, LOL! ;)
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I disliked the Adam storyline because:
a) It lasted FAR too long.
b) It brought us Eve, which was a drastic misrepresentation of Marie Wallace's talents.
c) The green sweater. 'Nough said.
d) There are only so many times you can threaten a man with killing his family. I like to liken this to the scene in that Indiana Jones movie where that guy is swinging the swords around, all scary like, and Indie takes out his gun and just shoots him dead. C'mon Barnabas, just shoot him dead. Julia will feed you.
f) I got tired of him being mute for so long. Only so many "Uhh uhhh uhh"'s you can take in certain situations. *wink* ;)
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b) It brought us Eve, which was a drastic misrepresentation of Marie Wallace's talents.
Gosh, you've just given me an excellent reason to like the Adam story line. If Marie Wallace hadn't played Eve, she might never have played Jenny, and might never have gone on to charm countless fans at the Fests. I've never met her (never met anybody in connection with Dark Shadows), but she's very interesting in the interviews on the DVDs. I really should read her book sometime.
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Gosh, you've just given me an excellent reason to like the Adam story line. If Marie Wallace hadn't played Eve, she might never have played Jenny, and might never have gone on to charm countless fans at the Fests. I've never met her (never met anybody in connection with Dark Shadows), but she's very interesting in the interviews on the DVDs. I really should read her book sometime.
True. Very true. Unfortunately DS didn't offer Marie many good parts at all. I my favorite was Crazy Jenny, and I think Marie has said that was her favorite character at well. As far as the fests go she is an absolute gem. She is so approachable (as are many of the stars I've met) and she engages YOU in conversation outside of the fest, if she sees you. The last night of the fest, after the banquet, my mom and I were going upstairs in the elevator and she rode with us. We were carrying the negative film reels that they gave out. She asked where we were from and what the film reels looked like so I opened the box to show her. She was very interested in meeting people, and signed and posed for pictures on a dime. You should definitely visit her if you ever get to the fest. By the last day her table was not as busy as it had been, along with other stars, so I'm sure she would gladly speak with you or anyone else for a while.
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Gosh, you've just given me an excellent reason to like the Adam story line. If Marie Wallace hadn't played Eve, she might never have played Jenny, and might never have gone on to charm countless fans at the Fests. I've never met her (never met anybody in connection with Dark Shadows), but she's very interesting in the interviews on the DVDs. I really should read her book sometime.
Lydia, Marie is the NICEST person in that cast! ;D She and Louie are/were my favorite. David Selby is quite nice and I got to know Chris Pennock a little this past Fest too and he's a riot and a half! Oh, and Betsy was very nice too, really sweet. She made a great impression w/fans this year. ;)
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Warts and all, the Adam and Eve storyline contains many of my absolute favorite episodes of DS. In particular, the confrontation scenes between Nicholas Blair and Julia are exceptionally well written and brilliantly played. In one of these scenes Blair actually has the line, "Doctor, I think you've been reading too many gothic novels"--a very large wink from the writers to themselves and it never fails to make me fall about.
There's also all the wonderful stuff with Stokes from this period--again, I love his line on the phone to Carolyn in one high-tension moment: "Miss Stoddard, are you much given to melodrama? No, don't answer that; I'll answer it for myself shortly." Brilliant!
I agree that Adam's scenes in the later part of the storyline become very one-note, whiny, repetitive and dull, but that's no fault of the actor. I think that every storyline has scenes of this sort. I personally find the scenes of Vicki's trial in 1795 unwatchably tedious.
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Warts and all, the Adam and Eve storyline contains many of my absolute favorite episodes of DS. In particular, the confrontation scenes between Nicholas Blair and Julia are exceptionally well written and brilliantly played. In one of these scenes Blair actually has the line, "Doctor, I think you've been reading too many gothic novels"--a very large wink from the writers to themselves and it never fails to make me fall about.
There's also all the wonderful stuff with Stokes from this period--again, I love his line on the phone to Carolyn in one high-tension moment: "Miss Stoddard, are you much given to melodrama? No, don't answer that; I'll answer it for myself shortly." Brilliant!
I agree that Adam's scenes in the later part of the storyline become very one-note, whiny, repetitive and dull, but that's no fault of the actor. I think that every storyline has scenes of this sort. I personally find the scenes of Vicki's trial in 1795 unwatchably tedious.
Oh I agree. I *love* Stokes in this storyline. If it wasn't for he, Nicholas and Angelique I don't think I could have made it through the latter half of the Adam storyline at all. As for Vicki's trial in 1795... [8311] [8311] [8311]