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Title: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on June 22, 2006, 03:04:47 PM
From Caption This!
M:(thinking) I can't figure out why this little girl from MAINE sounds like she's from Phili!

Buzz,

Oh, yes, little Sarah has a definite Philadelphia accent.  Then again, she could also hail from just across the mighty Delaware in Trenton, NJ.  (Believe me, south Jersey and north Jersey are poles apart in their respective patois!)

Then again, KLS , ("Ms. Land of a 10,000 Lakes") with her Old "Hoowse" pronunciation, sounds like she could also say "oout" or "Eh?" like a true Candian sometimes!
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on June 22, 2006, 03:21:51 PM
Then again, KLS , ("Ms. Land of a 10,000 Lakes") with her Old "Hoowse" pronunciation, sounds like she could also say "oout" or "Eh?" like a true Candian sometimes!

You know, it's funny, but you could always tell when Jonathan had gone home to Hamilton for a visit w/the family because his first couple episodes back you'd most definately hear his Canadian accent.  Reversely, you could tell when he HADN'T been home in a while 'cause he'd start sounding like a regular old American!  ;)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on June 22, 2006, 04:10:42 PM
You know, it's funny, but you could always tell when Jonathan had gone home to Hamilton for a visit w/the family because his first couple episodes back you'd most definately hear his Canadian accent.  Reversely, you could tell when he HADN'T been home in a while 'cause he'd start sounding like a regular old American!

You know, Mr. Frid seemingly never ended a sentence with "Eh?"  (I guess that's from all of those years, studying his craft over there in London and receiving an MFA from Yale University.  Bravo!!  I wonder what he scored on the GRE's!?!)

Heck, at least, Bill Malloy tried to affect (or effect?) a  Down East accent, and, looked what happened to HIM ! :o
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on June 22, 2006, 04:46:56 PM
You know, Mr. Frid seemingly never ended a sentence with "Eh?"  (I guess that's from all of those years, studying his craft over there in London and receiving an MFA from Yale University.  Bravo!!

The only time I ever heard him utter, "Eh" was on the Ron Barry show when he, Grayson, Don, Robert, Humbert and Roger Davis were on.  RD was being his normally obnoxious, self-serving, mic hog self and when Jon told Ron that he thought DS was so popular w/ppl because of ppl's pre-occupation w/death and the acknowledgement that "we're ALL going to die someday."  RD grabbed the mic and said, "Well, I don't know about you Jonathan, but I'm never going to die!" and then did his standard STUPID laugh.  Jon very dryly replied, w/out missing a beat I might add, "Oh, you're not eh?"  In thinking on this and writing it, I'm not sure that actually COUNTS as a full-on Canadian EH though.  ;)  I might add that Humbert piped in by saying, "Have you seen the script for next week?!"   ;D

Heck, at least, Bill Malloy tried to affect (or effect?) a  Down East accent, and, looked what happened to HIM ! :o

I actually liked his Down East accent.  As I recall the original Sam Evans, both Matthew Morgan's (but especially the first one), Mr. Wells (Collinsport Inn innkeeper) and one of the cops, I think they were actually calling them Constable then, pre-Sheriff Patterson, also all did the Down East thing.  According to KLS in Scrapbook, more ppl apparently did too, until DC told them to knock it off.  But I don't recall KLS or anyone but the above mentioned gentlemen doing that accent.

Now, don't even get me started on the fact that Barnabas sounds NOTHING like a Brit!   ::)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on June 23, 2006, 01:26:41 AM
I once heard the great film film director Stanley Kramer, on WABC-770-AM in NYC, joke/complain about, when he directed "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad , Mad (?) World." He explained that he had so many outtakes from that memorable film, chockfull of so many great comedians, becasue, despite whomever's last line it was in a particular scene, the late, great Milton Berle just had to, at least, try and get the last line in.  I mean, "Uncle" Miltie did it to Sid Caesar, Mickey Rooney, Buddy Hackett, D!ck Shawn, Jonathan Winters, Ethel Merman,  etc., etc.  (I, for one, would just LOVE  to see those outtakes!) ;D ;)

Apparently, the cast of Dark Shadows had the exact same  "problem" with one of their own co-stars.  (But, no names, please!!!) ::) >:D

PS Please, no offense, but just who is Ron Barry?  (We never had him appear on t.v. or radio in the NYC area, apparently?) :)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: ClaudeNorth on June 23, 2006, 02:08:24 AM
Oh, yes, little Sarah has a definite Philadelphia accent.

I remember quite fondly the episode in which Sarah showed up at the Collinsport Diner and asked for a "cheese wit'..."
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on June 23, 2006, 02:17:24 PM
PS Please, no offense, but just who is Ron Barry?  (We never had him appear on t.v. or radio in the NYC area, apparently?) :)

He had a radio show there in NYC back when DS was on the air.  Surprised you've never heard of him, especially if you're from NYC.  Are you a youngin' who wasn't around when DS aired originally?  He had many of the DS stars on, he was a big fan of the show, and even did a mock radio show called Dumb Shadows (and boy, was it DUMB   ::))

Dumb Shadows is available through Bobubas on this board and he may even have the interview of which I speak too, can't remember.  He'll probably have them at the Fest in fact.  ;)

Oh, yes, little Sarah has a definite Philadelphia accent.

I remember quite fondly the episode in which Sarah showed up at the Collinsport Diner and asked for a "cheese wit'..."

You mean she didn't ask for a Philly Cheesesteak?   ;D
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Charles_Ellis on June 23, 2006, 03:28:09 PM
Actually, the late Ron Barry was the nephew of Jack Klugman!  And speaking of accents, i'm surprised no one has mentioned two of the most memorable:  Joan Bennett's "Mid-Atlantic" voice that was so prevalent among stage actors before Lee Strasberg changed everything, and David Selby's West Virginia twang, which worried him to no end during his first months on DS as a silent ghost.  He feared that once his character finally got to speak, he would wind up like so many silent actors who couldn't make the transistion to talkies.  Remember the 'Lina Lamont' character from Singin' In The Rain?  That's how it seemed to him.  Fortunately, he needen't have worried: he's been a star ever since.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Gothick on June 23, 2006, 03:40:08 PM
Ron Barry's interview with the Shadows stars is available on one of the commercial soundtrack releases.  I can't recall whether it's on Rhino or Varese Sarabande.  It is the one that has the 1969 Original Soundtrack album and the interview (a slightly edited version) follows as an extra.  That might be the one that included a Ron Barry phone interview with David Selby, as well.

G.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on June 23, 2006, 05:07:53 PM
Ron Barry's interview with the Shadows stars is available on one of the commercial soundtrack releases.  I can't recall whether it's on Rhino or Varese Sarabande.  It is the one that has the 1969 Original Soundtrack album and the interview (a slightly edited version) follows as an extra.  That might be the one that included a Ron Barry phone interview with David Selby, as well.

You know, I think it's on one of the recent DS CD's as well, Shelby D. Pearson has it on CD, but don't know if he made it himself or if it's "officicial".  He may be coming to see me tonight and if I remember I'll ask him.  ;)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Gothick on June 23, 2006, 05:26:43 PM
I love the Thayer David one.  Pity that doesn't circulate more widely.  I believe Bobubas does sell it.

G.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: CyrusL on June 23, 2006, 06:56:16 PM
Ron Barry's interview with the Shadows stars is available on one of the commercial soundtrack releases.  I can't recall whether it's on Rhino or Varese Sarabande.  It is the one that has the 1969 Original Soundtrack album and the interview (a slightly edited version) follows as an extra.  That might be the one that included a Ron Barry phone interview with David Selby, as well.
I think the interviews on Bobubas's discs are more extensive and have more separate segments, including one with Thayer David by himself and I believe one if not two of Frid by himself. Anyway, you get lots of good stuff not on the Anniversary disc. Very recommended! [banana2]

Michael
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: retzev on June 24, 2006, 12:14:18 AM
I wonder why DC told them to knock it off? I wish they had done more with the down-east accents. Wouldn't it have added a bit of authenticity to the proceedings? I haven't seen the pre-B episodes yet, maybe they just weren't done very well. Or perhaps he was afraid the viewers in fly-over country wouldn't be able to relate.

I'm from TX, but I've been to Maine a few times and that down-east accent is music to my ears :)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on June 24, 2006, 01:16:22 PM
PS Please, no offense, but just who is Ron Barry?  (We never had him appear on t.v. or radio in the NYC area, apparently?) :)
He had a radio show there in NYC back when DS was on the air.  Surprised you've never heard of him, especially if you're from NYC.  Are you a youngin' who wasn't around when DS aired originally?  He had many of the DS stars on, he was a big fan of the show, and even did a mock radio show called Dumb Shadows (and boy, was it DUMB   ::))

Dumb Shadows is available through Bobubas on this board and he may even have the interview of which I speak too, can't remember.  He'll probably have them at the Fest in fact.

Buzz,

Thanks very much for the information on Mr. Barry.  As (pretty-much, a lifelong NYC-area guy) I, regrettably,  do not  recall Ron Barry on the NYC radio airwaves.  I do recall "Long" John Nebel and his wife Candy Jones, John Wingate, Arlene Francis, THE great Jean Shepherd, Cousin Bruce Morrow, Barry Gray, John A. Gambling (and NOT John B. Gambling! Heck, even I'm not THAT old!), sportscaster Bill "The Amazing" Mazer and political/social commentators of the day, Bob Grant and Malachy McCourt (two extremely-opinionated gentlemen, of just slightly  differing "perspectives"!).  >:D

Do you remember when Jonathan Frid appeared on D!ck Cavet's daytime ABC televison show, based out of New York City, back, in 1968 (?)?  I remember that the studio audience was jam-packed with enthusiastic (if not, screaming) young kids for the taping, with both Mr. Frid and the Association, who performed their song, "Six Man Band" on the show.  Ah, I remember it as if it were only yesterday.  (I think?) ::) :-

Bob
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on June 24, 2006, 02:59:49 PM
Do you remember when Jonathan Frid appeared on D!ck Cavet's daytime ABC televison show, based out of New York City, back, in 1968

Oh, I was just a youngin' myself, and not from the NYC area.  However, the Dick Cavett interview is another one Bobubas sells, so I *have* heard it as I bought it from him several years back.  It was an interesting interview, in fact, I think there were a couple interviews w/Cavett on that CD now I think on it.  I only knew about Ron Barry because about 12 years ago a friend from Jersey had it on tape and made me a copy.  ;)

I wonder why DC told them to knock it off? I wish they had done more with the down-east accents. Wouldn't it have added a bit of authenticity to the proceedings?

I think that was precisely the reason retzev, I think KLS even said in Scrapbook that DC said something like, "Cut it out you guys, you sound like a bunch of foreigners!"  But I'm w/you, it gave the show realism, and they didn't sound foreign to me, they sounded like they were from , well...MAINE!  ;)  Too bad DC couldn't hear that.   :-
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Pansity on June 25, 2006, 10:27:35 PM
Actually, the late Ron Barry was the nephew of Jack Klugman!  And speaking of accents, i'm surprised no one has mentioned two of the most memorable:  Joan Bennett's "Mid-Atlantic" voice that was so prevalent among stage actors before Lee Strasberg changed everything, and David Selby's West Virginia twang, which worried him to no end during his first months on DS as a silent ghost.  He feared that once his character finally got to speak, he would wind up like so many silent actors who couldn't make the transistion to talkies.  Remember the 'Lina Lamont' character from Singin' In The Rain?  That's how it seemed to him.  Fortunately, he needen't have worried: he's been a star ever since.

Thjs post really struck me as, coincidentally, I am just coming off an email group discussion of weirdnesses of English/American and regional differences that segues RIGHT into what you are talking about with the accents.
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Yes, Joan Bennett's accent (like not only many stage actresses, but many early talkies ones like Myrna Loy) was that "stage English" or MidAtlantic.  What my grandmother (who was the one raised me and thus watched DS with me) called being "well spoken".  Funny thing, though, is given the social class and the time she (Elizabeth, and to a lesser extent the other characters she played) was raised in, it might have been more accurate for the character than the Down East accent.  That "refined" accent is what the upperclasses used and what was taught in the colleges and finishing schools.

Same thing goes for Louis Edmonds'  Roger (and Edward).  He too did the upperclass accent one would expect of an upperclass man who was probably schooled at Harvard or Yale.  He did so very well, too, considering that was NOT his native accent.  Never had the pleasure of meeting him, rest his soul, but I gather his real accent was just what you'd expect given his southern roots.

That being said, I agree with those who wish they had kept up the attempts at Maine accents.  For the NON Collins characters that would have worked very well and given it a sense of place, setting, atmosphere, whatever you want to call it.  Would a middle America audience of the 60's found the accents hard to keep up with? Hard to say - I grew up in NYC, where everyone has SOME accent or other -- you get used to understanding different ones early.

And you really do have to sympathize with Selby on the accent thing.  In retrospect, he was TRYING for the Midatlantic stage accent, but only managed to tone down his own accent.  And, from what he said in his book A Better Place he had worked very hard on trying to get rid of the accent when he decided to become an actor.  (Makes sense because actors starting out have enough strikes against them without an accent giving a casting director a preconception about you -- and one more reason to decide not to hire you.)   No reflection on his acting -- some people just can't do accents.  Of course, I personally LIKE his accent...except when he makes me grind my teeth by pronouncing nuclear as nuk u lur.  [shockeyes]
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: ClaudeNorth on June 25, 2006, 11:44:57 PM
I remember quite fondly the episode in which Sarah showed up at the Collinsport Diner and asked for a "cheese wit'..."

You mean she didn't ask for a Philly Cheesesteak?

"Cheese wit'" is the shorthand way of ordering a cheesesteak at Pat's Steaks in South Philly.  It means a cheesesteak with onions.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Willie on June 26, 2006, 01:33:48 PM
It's amazing how much work was put into accents for a soap opera back in the '60s when you consider that nowdays, "award winning" (quotes added for sarcasm) actors/actresses in some of Hollywood's big budget features come off with accents that are truly luaghable, sometimes sounding like Boris and Natasha from Bullwinkle. 
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Charles_Ellis on June 26, 2006, 02:41:35 PM
It's amazing how some actors have to erase all traces of their native voices.  There's Lara from Tennessee, Louis from Louisiana, David from West Virginia, and even Jonathan had to lose his Canadian accent in England as a RADA student!  And you'd never guess that Joan Bennett was born in New Jersey!  It reminds me of the late Lee Remick, who at the height of her career moved to England upon her second marriage.  After a few years there, she had picked up a definite British accent.  The same thing happened with Gayle Hunnicut, who is from Texas.  Years later she had to re-learn her native accent for a role on Dallas!

If you want a real classic example of the "Mid-Atlantic" accent, watch The Sound Of Music- all of the VonTrapp kids were instructed to speak that way, especially since most of their offscreen voices were as American as can be.  Also, Olivia deHavilland (who turns 90 next month!) also speaks with those pear-shaped tones today- I don't know if it has to do with her British parents (but she was raised in L.A. with sister Joan Fontaine) or diction lessons at Warner Brothers for those Errol Flynn epics, but she certainly sounds more regal than the Queen with her odd Windsor twang (the Hanover influence, perhaps?).
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: JosettesMusicBox on June 26, 2006, 06:04:51 PM
I know we are getting off the topic of Dark Shadows Characters, but you know who really surprised me with an accent is:

Rachel Griffiths (Brenda Chenowith) on HBO's "Six Feet Under."  She is Australian and put on an amazing American accent for the show.  I had NO IDEA she wasn't American until I saw her on a talk show...

By the way - I'm a big Six Feet Under fan!!
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on June 26, 2006, 11:14:31 PM
It is great fun to peruse a list of the hometowns and states of the Dark Shadows actors.  Sometimes, on the DS episodes, you can detect some of their regional American accents and sometimes, you cannot.

I believe that actor Christopher Pennock hails from Wyoming.  Mr. Pennock never displayed an especially noticeable Western accent that I could detect, observing him as Jeb Hawks and Cyrus Longworth, to name two of his characters.

Of course, Dorothy McGuire, the great leading lady of the American screen, was a beautiful woman with a soft and oh-so-elegant speaking voice.  She certainly never sounded as if she had been born and raised in Omaha, Nebraska (as her fellow Nebraskan, the equally-great Henry Fonda did)!

Incidentally, based on her performance in "The Spiral Staircase," Ms. McGuire would have been a superb Victoria Winters, imho.  And, Ms. McGuire would have also been outstanding as the refined and graceful Elizabeth Collins Stoddard.  (Oh well, what could have been...)    :-
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: jennifer on July 02, 2006, 08:11:53 AM
i think most of the copied down east accents are so bad on most shows as well as
boston accents( Murder She  wrote as an example)

jennifer
New Yorkers have an accent BoB no.......(love Law & Order)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Raineypark on July 02, 2006, 09:17:16 PM
New Yorkers have an accent BoB no.......(love Law & Order)

Hell YES, New Yorkers have accents.  Different ones for each borough, as a matter of fact.  People in the Bronx don't sound like people on Statan Island, and no one sounds like the folks in Brooklyn!!!  Just ask Mr. Karlen!  :D

And any Manhattanite could pick me out as a Long Island girl in three words or less.  ::)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on July 03, 2006, 03:54:08 PM
Hell YES, New Yorkers have accents.  Different ones for each borough, as a matter of fact.  People in the Bronx don't sound like people on Statan Island

No kidding!!  I love NY accents!  They are da shit!  And as I'm not from NYC I agree w/you that one can tell the difference between where in the city someone is from.  Long Island accents differ from Manhattan, which differs from Brooklyn etc...I have DS friends who grew up in LI, Manhattan and Brooklyn, and although an outsider like me can know by hearing all 3 of them speak that they are all from NYC, I can tell the difference between their 3 accents.

and no one sounds like the folks in Brooklyn!!!  Just ask Mr. Karlen!  :D

Brooklyn accents are my FAVORITE domestic (i.e. in the U.S.) accents.  ;)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Charles_Ellis on July 03, 2006, 05:11:58 PM
I'm from NYC- can you guess which borough???
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on July 03, 2006, 06:28:53 PM
I'm from NYC- can you guess which borough???

Actually Charles, I can't funnily enough.  However, I know you're from the Isle of Staten!  ;)  (as revealed in your turn as Charnak the Magnificent).   ;D
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Pansity on July 04, 2006, 10:35:18 PM
It's amazing how much work was put into accents for a soap opera back in the '60s when you consider that nowdays, "award winning" (quotes added for sarcasm) actors/actresses in some of Hollywood's big budget features come off with accents that are truly luaghable, sometimes sounding like Boris and Natasha from Bullwinkle.

Coming in a little late on this, but I had to laugh at your post.  I got an IMMEDIATE flashback to Men in Tights, and Cary Elwes line as Robin Hood that at least HE could speak with an English accent!  Kevin Costner take note.

And then there's my Russian speaking military junkie friend Andre, who could NOT make it through Hunt for Red October because the attempted Russian accent on top of Connery's natural and incurable Scots accent was just TOO much for his ears.

But then to counterbalance, there are the examples like the one JosettesMusicBox mentioned of Rachel Griffiths, and one of my personal favorites, Hugh Laurie.  I remember him very fondly from Black Adder, but he is presently on American TV starring in House -- and does a completely perfect American accent which never wavers.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Charles_Ellis on July 05, 2006, 12:33:09 AM
Oy, that Costner movie- I've always called it Robin of Malibu!!  Why didn't they use Liam Neeson, Pierce Brosnan or Gary Oldman?  Thank God for Morgan Freeman giving the movie some dignity.  In the old days, some stars could get away without an accent- the most famous example being Ohio's Clark Gable as Charleston rogue Rhett Butler.  But then, Sean Connery can still get away with playing any nationality- his star power outweighs the contstraints of an accent.  His pal Michael Caine used to act in really bad American accents- remember his 'Southern' voice for Hurry Sundown?  But he finally mastered an American accent for The Cider House Rules- and he got an Oscar for his efforts!
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on July 05, 2006, 03:26:57 PM
Coming in a little late on this, but I had to laugh at your post.  I got an IMMEDIATE flashback to Men in Tights, and Cary Elwes line as Robin Hood that at least HE could speak with an English accent!  Kevin Costner take note.

Very true!  Not only did Costner NOT do any sort of Brit accent, he acted horribly as well.  IMHO, the man only has a few good turns as an actor, one being Field of Dreams.  He wasn't TOO awful in that one.

Hugh Laurie.  I remember him very fondly from Black Adder, but he is presently on American TV starring in House -- and does a completely perfect American accent which never wavers.

No kidding!  I didn't even know he WAS British until I saw him in a movie (Flight of the Phoenix?) where he used his natural accent. ;)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on July 05, 2006, 03:29:38 PM
Michael Caine used to act in really bad American accents- remember his 'Southern' voice for Hurry Sundown?  But he finally mastered an American accent for The Cider House Rules- and he got an Oscar for his efforts!

He sounded pretty convincing as an American in Secondhand Lions too.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on July 06, 2006, 03:54:09 PM
With all due respect to the Nebraskan-born, late, and truly great actor, Marlon Brando, his southern accent as that USAF major in the film "Sayonara" was even worse than the New York City-born, late, great actor Carroll O'Connor's atrocious southern patois as the sheriff in the television version of "In the Heat of the Night."   Ugh! :o :-X

Of course, the late, lamented (Passaic, N.J. born?) Michael Stoka was always so articualte and refined as Aristede.  (Except, when his character became" overly-excited," and he, unfortunately, lapsed back into his rapid-fire, machine gun-like New "Joisey" accent.  Think Hoboken-born actor Joe Pantoliano in "The Sopranos.")  ::) ;D 

 
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: jennifer on July 07, 2006, 06:55:50 AM
Hell YES, New Yorkers have accents.  Different ones for each borough, as a matter of fact.

i don't know Rainey go down south they lump Boston and NYC accents together and thanks for clearing that up
i really didn't know NYorkers had accents  ;D LOL...and i have to say you all sound the same you just think you sound different
like Southie and charlestown here   >:D
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on July 07, 2006, 01:51:57 PM
i don't know Rainey go down south they lump Boston and NYC accents together and thanks for clearing that up
i really didn't know NYorkers had accents  ;D LOL...and i have to say you all sound the same you just think you sound different
like Southie and charlestown here

Jennifer,

I don't know, but Boston "Southie" Dennis Leary and New York City (possibly, the borough of Queens?) Bob "Bob Rooney" O'Connell hardly sound the same to me.  But, then again, Jersey Boy David Henesy (of Glen Ridge, N.J. (?), also hometown of the somewhat "frenetic" Tom Cruise), hardly sounds the same as  Newark, N.J.'s own Robert "Willie, Bad!" Rodan to me). ;D ::)

Bob, Joe Pesci-soundalike! ^-^
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on July 07, 2006, 02:08:21 PM
you all sound the same you just think you sound different like Southie and charlestown here   >:D

Can't say that I agree, *I* can tell the difference between NYC accents by borough (except, as I said earlier, when it comes to Charles).  Guess it's in the "ear of the beholder"?  ;)

Do agree however that sometimes Boston accents sound similar to Brooklyn accents.  Would imagine a Brooklyn boy like our Johnny Karlen would find doing a Boston accent difficult and might even 'slip' back into his Brooklyn accent.  ;)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on July 07, 2006, 02:16:21 PM
Would imagine a Brooklyn boy like our Johnny Karlen would find doing a Boston accent difficult and might even 'slip' back into his Brooklyn accent.

ESPECIALLY when John/Willie-boy gets "overly-excited" as in: "I'm telling ya, Barnabas, this guy Blair is no freakin' good at all!" ::) ;D
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on July 07, 2006, 02:23:08 PM
ESPECIALLY when John/Willie-boy gets "overly-excited" as in: "I'm telling ya, Barnabas, this guy Blair is no freakin' good at all!

Or how about when he's describing the Dream to, is it Julia (?), when he says, "It was like a dog, but it wasn't a DAWG!"  ;)  He goes from Southern to Southern Brooklyn in 10 seconds!  LOL!  ;)
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on July 07, 2006, 11:59:01 PM
Or how about when he's describing the Dream to, is it Julia (?), when he says, "It was like a dog, but it wasn't a DAWG!"  ;)  He goes from Southern to Southern Brooklyn in 10 seconds!  LOL!

Yes, indeed, as loyal Dark Shadows fans, I think we all owe John Karlen's old, hometown neighborhood, the pleasant and "pastoral" area known as Red Hook, Brooklyn, a humongous:

Thank You Brooklyn!  ;D

 
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Joeytrom on July 08, 2006, 12:54:45 AM
I am from the Bronx but never developed a Bronx accent at all.  Some people are surprised that i am a native New Yorker, they seem to think I should be from the midwest.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: BuzzH on July 08, 2006, 02:44:04 PM
I am from the Bronx but never developed a Bronx accent at all.  Some people are surprised that i am a native New Yorker, they seem to think I should be from the midwest.

You know, it's funny.  I had a business colleague who I'd speak to regularly on the phone some years ago and I was convinced she was from Brooklyn.  When I finally asked her if she was, she said that she was actually from the Bronx.  She then said sometimes Bronx and Brooklyn accents are mistaken for one another because they sound pretty similar.

On a side note, one of my favorite actors, a guy I've mentioned on this board before-Richard Lynch, is from Brooklyn, and has an accent so strong it arrives 5 minutes before he does (even more than Johnny Karlen), but the very first thing I ever saw him in was an ep of Starsky & Hutch and for whatever reason, he dropped his accent completely for that role and I thought he sounded like maybe a mid-westerner.  Really he had no discernable accent.  Well, years later when I learned he was from Brooklyn I thought, 'well, he must have moved away when he was very young because he doesn't have that wonderful accent'.  Then I saw a re-run of an early movie he did called The Seven Ups and man, did he ever have the accent!  ;)  So, I guess through training or whatever, he can drop his native accent at will.  BTW, he does pretty good foriegn dialects too so I guess he did learn that at The Actor's Studio.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on July 09, 2006, 04:05:01 PM
On a side note, one of my favorite actors, a guy I've mentioned on this board before-Richard Lynch, is from Brooklyn, and has an accent so strong it arrives 5 minutes before he does (even more than Johnny Karlen), but the very first thing I ever saw him in was an ep of Starsky & Hutch and for whatever reason, he dropped his accent completely for that role and I thought he sounded like maybe a mid-westerner.  Really he had no discernable accent.  Well, years later when I learned he was from Brooklyn I thought, 'well, he must have moved away when he was very young because he doesn't have that wonderful accent'.  Then I saw a re-run of an early movie he did called The Seven Ups and man, did he ever have the accent!  ;)  So, I guess through training or whatever, he can drop his native accent at will.  BTW, he does pretty good foriegn dialects too so I guess he did learn that at The Actor's Studio.

Oh, yeah, Richard Lynch in "The Seven-Ups"! How about Tony LoBianco to Mr. Lynch in that memorable 1970s "wise-guy" flick?: "Da guy ewe iced was a cop!"? ::)

Of course, my personal Dark Shadows favorite, actor Bob O'Connell (a/k/a Blue Whale Bartender Bob Rooney/Mooney), sounds just like the real Eddie Egan, or "Popeye Doyle" in the all-time-great "The French Connection."  (In fact, Eddie Egan plays Gene Hackman's and Roy Scheider's superior officer in that Academy Award-winning film.)

I always love the 1797 scene, where Bob O'Connell plays the then-Eagle Tavern proprietor, sounding like he's Archie Bunker in Kelso's Tavern in Queens, N.Y.  Oh, it's TOO  funny!!! [laughing7] [laughing3] [lol3] [cheesyg] [clap] 
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: jennifer on July 11, 2006, 04:34:43 PM
its funny Bob dennis leary is from the middle part of mass and people here say they can tell the
difference but sorry all new yorkers sound the same to me too

jennifer
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Luciaphile on July 11, 2006, 05:49:13 PM
Very true!  Not only did Costner NOT do any sort of Brit accent, he acted horribly as well.  IMHO, the man only has a few good turns as an actor, one being Field of Dreams.  He wasn't TOO awful in that one.

And yet, they spent god knows how much trying to find the right cows for some scene (because most viewers care about historically accurate cattle). He actually did try to do an accent in the movie. The problem was that he kept breaking out of it into some kind of midwestern twang.
Title: Re: Actors' Accents (Was Re: Episode #0258)
Post by: Heather on July 15, 2006, 10:40:48 AM
I would've loved to have seen someone utter some Pittsburghese on DS.
Walk into the coffee shop and ask: "So, can yinz gimme a chipped ham, bawdle of pop, n'at....?"
 ^-^

I did get a kick outta a couple of times that Julia slipped some Philly/PA accent on DS...