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Title: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Gothick on January 11, 2021, 11:07:04 PM
Veteran fan Joe Integlia posted on social media today celebrating the 30th anniversary of the debut of the 1991 DS series. Just thought I'd share that with fans.

G.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 12, 2021, 03:37:52 AM
Hmmm - the 30th anniversary isn't until the 13th...

But thanks so much for sharing, Gothick.  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Gerard on January 12, 2021, 07:21:45 PM
Now I really feel old.

Gerard
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on January 12, 2021, 08:45:26 PM
You ain’t the only one.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 14, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
In honor of the 30th anniversary, here's the opening of the miniseries as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

Enjoy!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 14, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
And as extras, here are the nine different bumpers that played leading to or during commercial breaks:

Enjoy as well!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 14, 2021, 05:08:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_01.jpg)

(Note the captures from two scenes that only appear in MPI's restored version.)

And you may want to revisit the topic "The Return of Yet Another New Slideshow (Sort of) [** Now featuring unshot Julia material - see reply #194**]". It follows the script for the pilot and contains dropped lines, extended bits of scenes, completely dropped scenes (meaning not even restored for the MPI VHS tape), scenes in a different order in the script, scenes that were never even shot, and scenes that were shot for the pilot but held for subsequent eps of the series... 

Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 15, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Previews of the second night of the miniseries:


And here's the opening of the second night of the miniseries as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

Enjoy!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 15, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
And as extras, here are the six different specific to night two bumpers that played leading to or during commercial breaks:


Also there was a voiceover during the closing credits to promote Friday's premiere of the series:

Enjoy as well!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 15, 2021, 05:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_02-03.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 15, 2021, 05:22:58 PM
Two things that I always find interesting but I forgot to post about last night:

First is how the scene in which Liz laments that she thinks some dark cloud is hung over Collinwood shows up at the beginning of the preview for the second night of the miniseries -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Liz_dark cloud.jpg)

- the scene was shot as part of Ep #2 (Hour 3), so in that sense it makes sense that it's included in the preview - however, it doesn't actually show up on the series until Ep #4 (Hour 5). It's amazing how some scenes were not only shuffled around in their own eps but were also used in completely different eps than they were shot.

And the second thing is how the scene of Carolyn howling -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Carolyn_howls.jpg)

- shows up in the recap of the pilot yet it wasn't included in the NBC version. It only appears in MPI's restored version of the pilot. I've always thought it's a major crime that scene between Carolyn and Vicki was cut from the NBC version, not only because it's a great scene, but Carolyn and Vicki share so few scenes on the series.


And changing the subject entirely, it's come to my attention that the last two bumpers for the second night of the miniseries are not working on some people's phones. I'm sorry to say I have absolutely no idea why that is because they work on both my PC and my phone. But as we've often said, the forum can behave very strangely from time to time without any discernible explanation to the point that we'd swear it's haunted. Sadly, here's yet another example of that...  [snow_sad]

For those who can't see those two bumpers, the first is Barnabas slipping into vamp mode while -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0114_Bumper_5.jpg)

- making out with Vicki in Josette's room - and the second is Prof. Woodard discovering Barnabas' blood sample -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0114_Bumper_6.jpg)

- in Julia's lab.

Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: neiljohnson on January 15, 2021, 07:34:19 PM
This may have been discussed before, but do others think Professor Woodard was supposed to represent Professor Stokes from TOS? Or Dr Woodard from TOS?  Of course, he was probably a combination of both.  But since Stokes was the more iconic of the two characters, why not name him Professor Stokes?  Or maybe since Professor Woodard was to die -- does anyone think perhaps the plan was to have Professor Stokes join the show later in the series (as a new character), and fulfill his original role as expert on the paranormal?  My reason for asking is, I've always believed the "Professor" role (regardless of name) was vital to the show and future storylines.  I never considered the Professor role to be expendable.   
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Gerard on January 16, 2021, 02:44:07 AM
I concur, Nell.  It seems to me that the DS-91 Dave Woodard was a combination of the DS-OS Woodard and the HoDS Eliot Stokes (who died the same way 91 Dave did).  I'm surmising that the complete character of Professor Timothy Eliot Stokes would've been introduced later in the 91.  A fun thing to ponder is who could've played the part?  Actually, I'm picturing Carroll O'Connor.

Gerard
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Bob_the_Bartender on January 16, 2021, 04:31:08 PM
Gerard,

How about the late, great Michael V. Gazzo as the estimable Prof. T. Elliot Stokes?  Mr. Gazzo was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his performance as Frankie “Five Fingers” Pentangeli in “Godfather II.”

I’d like to have seen Professor Stokes portrayed with a little Garden State swagger, ala Tony Soprano or Uncle Junior.  [snow_wink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 16, 2021, 05:08:08 PM
As you've probably noticed, I've changed the slideshow for the first page of this board to the one for the '91 Series (pages 2 and beyond are still showing the slideshow for the 2012 DS). I would have done so back at the beginning of January had I thought about how 2021 is the 30th anniversary of the series, but that didn't even dawn on me until Gothick shared that Joe Integlia had posted about it. So, thanks to both Gothick and Joe for reminding me.  [snow_smiley]

Given that today is already the 16th, we've missed several entries in the slideshow. However, shortly I'll be posting the entries for the 1st through the 15th so that we can catch up...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 16, 2021, 06:10:28 PM
January 1st:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0101ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Victoria: 'My journey is just beginning.'

January 2nd:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0102ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Carolyn: 'Poor Victoria Winters.'

January 3rd:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0103ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 (Extended) - Elizabeth (to Roger): 'He needs a father.'

Anything that's indicated as "Extended" is from a scene that was restored on the MPI version of the pilot. Discussion about the restored portion of the scene featured for the 3rd begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
... MPI restored the rest of the scene, beginning with: ...

And if you want to follow along with what was being said and/shared back when this slideshow first appeared for 2011th's 20th anniversay, check out
Today marks the debut of yet another new slideshow: the '91 DS Series 20th Anniversary Year Slideshow. ...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 16, 2021, 06:34:08 PM
January 4th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0104ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 (Extended) - Roger: 'If it would have saved her
sanity, I would have left him to die in that burning room.'

January 5th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0105ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Willie: 'I'll take it any way I can get it.'

January 6th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0106ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 (Extended) - Joe (to Daphne): 'Here's the boat - we're
gonna dock here right now.'

Discussion about the restored scene featured for the 6th begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
... And that's when yesterday's quote was scripted to come up - but it's not at all that way in the pilot. ...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 16, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
January 7th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0107ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Elizabeth (to Victoria): 'Welcome to Collinwood.'

January 8th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0108ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Willie: 'Hope you like this freak palace, Miss Winters.'

January 9th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0109ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Willie: 'I know where the jewels are.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 16, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
January 10th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0110ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Mrs. Johnson: 'It'll only lead to trouble!'

January 11th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0111ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 (Extended)- Roger: 'I think you'll find my son as much
a challenge as you can handle.'

January 12th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0112ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Willie: 'Lion looks at dove.'

Discussion about the restored scene featured for the 11th begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
And onto the script's next scene (which is one that only appears in MPI's restored version of the pilot): ...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 16, 2021, 07:16:08 PM
January 13th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0113ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 (Extended)- Victoria: 'I thought I saw someone.'

January 14th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0114ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - David (to Victoria): 'I don't want you here!'

January 15th:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0115ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Victoria: 'David, I'm here to be your friend.'

Discussion about the restored portion of the scene featured for the 13th begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
And starting off today's new scene: ...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Gerard on January 16, 2021, 09:33:33 PM
Hey, MB, how about just posting 91 sporadically and with just a moment's notice?  It'll be like original airing, when episodes were constantly reshuffled on the schedule because a war-or-something-or-other kept interrupting.  It'll feel like the good old days.

Gerard
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: neiljohnson on January 17, 2021, 02:53:53 AM
I concur, Nell.  It seems to me that the DS-91 Dave Woodard was a combination of the DS-OS Woodard and the HoDS Eliot Stokes (who died the same way 91 Dave did).  I'm surmising that the complete character of Professor Timothy Eliot Stokes would've been introduced later in the 91.  A fun thing to ponder is who could've played the part?  Actually, I'm picturing Carroll O'Connor.

Gerard

On another board, there was a suggestion that Professor Woodard/Stokes would not be needed again on the '91 series, because Maggie had been established as an expert on the paranormal, and that she would fill the role of Professor Stokes from TOS.   I suppose that's possible.  But Maggie, in 1991 -- despite her psychic abilities and apparent knowledge of the occult, had no academic training.  So wouldn't any assistance she attempted to provide in future storylines simply be "guesses", rather than knowledge Barnabas and Julia could count on???   

And by the way,  happy 30th anniversary to the 1991 version of Dark Shadows! 
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 19, 2021, 02:37:44 AM
Hey, MB, how about just posting 91 sporadically and with just a moment's notice?  It'll be like original airing, when episodes were constantly reshuffled on the schedule because a war-or-something-or-other kept interrupting.  It'll feel like the good old days.

Get ready for it to feel like the good old days later tonight because what I'll be posting will show just how much NBC changed the entire game for January 18th's premiere of the series and screwed a lot of potential fans...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 19, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
Previews of the series:


And here are two promos that ran on Wednesday, January 16th when the Friday schedule was still as originally planned:


And then things got thrown out the window after Thursday's programs got pre-empted for war coverage and we ended up with this schedule for Friday night:


Well, that was the schedule for the Eastern and Central time zones. The Pacific and I also believe the Mountain time zones weren't so lucky because DS was completely pre-empted there. Ep #4 (Hour 5) wouldn't be seen there until January 25th right before that night's regularly scheduled Ep #5 (Hour 6).

And even the Eastern/Central changes wreaked havoc with some people who were planning to watch Friday's ep because unless they tuned in to NBC that night they had no idea of the schedule changes. I had many friends who'd programmed their VCRs for 9pm only to discover a recording of Cheers/Wings rather than DS. Thankfully I did pay attention so I knew of the switch to 10pm and I was able to make copies of Ep #4 for them, but no doubt many other potential viewers weren't so lucky...

But all that being as it may, here's the opening of the series' debut as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

(The jittering at the beginning is how it was broadcast.)

Enjoy!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 19, 2021, 04:30:00 AM
And as extras, here are the three different bumpers that played leading to or during commercial breaks:

Enjoy as well!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 19, 2021, 05:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_04.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on January 19, 2021, 06:13:57 AM
Outstanding stuff, MB! The kind of material that should be included on a DVD.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 19, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
 [pointing-up]  I'm glad you're enjoying it. I'm enjoying sharing it.  [snow_smiley]

As for DVD, if only there was a release with a 4:3 aspect ratio instead of 16:9, with the correct color timing, and with extras. But, alas, it doesn't seem like we'll ever see that, especially when it comes to the latter because of all the legal issues involved.  [snow_sad]  And in lieu of it, fans who can need to share this type of stuff with each other...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 19, 2021, 07:22:18 PM
The Pacific and I also believe the Mountain time zones weren't so lucky because DS was completely pre-empted there. Ep #4 (Hour 5) wouldn't be seen there until January 25th right before that night's regularly scheduled Ep #5 (Hour 6).

Actually, I went looking through my '91 Series stuff and came across the following. It seem like DS may not have been pre-empted in the Mountain time zone. But even if it was only the Pacific time zone, that was bad enough, especially when it was moved from 9/8pm to 10/9pm in the Eastern and Central time zones (and who knows when it aired in the Mountain time zone):

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Damage_to_TV.jpg)

How wild is it that DS had a higher share than Cosby, which was consistently one of NBC's Top 5 shows at the time. But then Cosby was the first show of the night on NBC and when it was on not many people might have realized that NBC was even running entertainment programming and not war coverage.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 19, 2021, 09:40:00 PM
A couple other things:

Is it just me or does the announcer doing the first January 16th promo actually say "She's like no other man she's ever known" instead of "He's like no other man she's ever known"?  [snow_huh]  I must have heard that promo dozens of times and it always sounds like "she's" to me.  [snow_undecided]

And it's interesting that the quote depicted as today's entry in the slideshow (Elizabeth - 'What kind of person could do such a thing?') also appears in the recap at the beginning of Ep #4 (Hour 5) -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Liz_What kind of person.jpg)

- even though it was cut from the NBC version of pilot and wasn't actually seen until MPI restored the pilot. And discussion about the restored scene featured for today begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
Moving on to the next sequence: ...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 24, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
Something else that needs to be discussed concerning Ep #4 (Hour 5) is how material that was shot was dropped and material that was shot for other eps was included.

Sharp-eyed viewers have probably always noticed that Wayne Tippet's name appears in the guest credits but Dr. Fisher is nowhere to be seen in the ep. That's because whatever he did ended up on the cutting room floor though either his contract or union rules required that he get billing even if that happened. And when it comes to at least one scene he shot, photographic evidence exists in the form of the following stills:

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0118_Cut-1.jpg)

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0118_Cut-2.jpg)

I've always presumed that the scene had something to do with the family learning from Sheriff Patterson about Prof. Woodard's fate. But who knows? And if that is the case, who knows why Dr. Fisher was there? But unless someone comes across the script, I suppose we'll never know what transpired in the scene...


Also, I've already mentioned that the scene this quote comes from -

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0429ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #4 - Elizabeth: 'I feel as if some dark cloud is
descended over Collinwood.'

- was inserted into Ep #4 after it was shot for Ep #2 but never included in that ep. However, when it comes to Ep #2 we do see a scene of Liz and Roger and several scenes of Roger wearing the same clothes. And perhaps we're supposed to presume that it was so much fun for Liz and Roger to wear the outfits together that they decided several months later to wear them together again during the events of Ep #4. Though somehow I doubt that really would have been the case.  [snow_laugh]  Plus, I really doubt it was all that fun when they wore them in Ep #2 because it was on the night they were trying to trap VampDaphne, which is what Liz' mood actually referred to in the context of Ep #2's script.


And once I get the chance later on, I'll go into how several dropped scenes from the pilot were incorporated into Ep #4...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 25, 2021, 01:50:24 AM
All of the quotes from the next five posts all come from a sequence that was actually shot for the pilot but didn't appear on the show until Ep #4 (Hour 5):

Discussion about the quotes featured in this post begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
Setting up the next sequence: ...

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1028ds91_0.jpg)
Page 94/Scene 211 - Vicki: 'Well, David. You're here early.
I didn't know you liked history so much.'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1029ds91_0.jpg)
Page 94/Scene 212 - Vicki: 'What's in there? Another one of
those awful spiders?'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1029ds91_1.jpg)
Page 95/Scene 212 - David: 'No, Miss Winters. You told me
never to do that again.'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1030ds91_0.jpg)
Page 95/Scene 212 - David: 'You sure you want to see?'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 25, 2021, 01:58:59 AM
Discussion about the quotes featured in this post begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
followed by the script explaining: ...

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1030ds91_1.jpg)
Page 95/Scene 212 - Vicki: 'David, open it up.'

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1031ds91_0.jpg)
Page 95/Scene 214 - David: Scared you, didn't I?'

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1031ds91_1.jpg)
Page 95/Scene 214 - Vicki: 'May I see it?'

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1101ds91_0.jpg)
Page 95/Scene 214 - Vicki (CONT'D): 'Where did you get this?
It's very pretty.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 25, 2021, 02:12:54 AM
Discussion about the quotes featured in this post begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
... followed by yesterday's second quote - ...

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1101ds91_1.jpg)
Page 95/Scene 214 - David: 'There's a lot of 'em.'

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1102ds91_0.jpg)
Page 96/Scene 214 - David: 'In a room. I... I'm not
supposed to go there... (then, nervously) You're not gonna
tell my father, are you?'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1102ds91_1.jpg)
Page 96/Scene 214 - Vicki: 'No, David, I'm not going to
tell your father. But I think we had better put this painting
back.'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1103ds91_0.jpg)
Page 97/Scene 219 - Vicki: 'But who painted them...?
Surely you must...'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 25, 2021, 02:22:46 AM
Discussion about the quotes featured in this post begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
... And in the script Vicki cuts herself off by noticing something in the room ...

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1104ds91_0.jpg)
Page 98/Scene 223 - Vicki: 'David...? Do you know who
this is?'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1105ds91_0.jpg)
Page 98/Scene 225 - Roger: 'How did you get in here?!'

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1105ds91_1.jpg)
Page 98/Scene 225 - Vicki: '... It wasn't locked.'

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1106ds91_0.jpg)
Page 98/Scene 225 - Vicki (CONT'D): 'Actually, it was my
idea. I asked David to show me around the upper floors...'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 25, 2021, 02:32:41 AM
Discussion about the quotes featured in this post begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
... followed by the script explaining: ...

(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1107ds91_0.jpg)
Page 98/Scene 225 - Roger: 'You have no business doing
that, Miss Winters, and absolutely no reason to come in
here!''


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1108ds91_0.jpg)
Page 98/Scene 225 - Vicki: 'I'm sorry. We didn't disturb
anything, as a matter of fact I was just admiring...'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1109ds91_0.jpg)
Page 99/Scene 225 - Roger: 'You weren't hired to admire
anything! Your job is teaching my son, not breaking into
areas of this house and our lives which don't concern you!'


(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/1110ds91_0.jpg)
Page 99/Scene 225 - Roger: 'This room... and everything
in it... does not exist...'

And if some of the quotes in these five posts seem different from the show, that's because they're from the script. Some of them were delivered differently on the show. Check out the linked to posts for details...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 26, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Preview of Ep #5:


And here's a January 23rd voiceover over the closing credits of Hunter:


And here's the opening of Ep #5 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

(Though it didn't play until 10pm on the west coast...)

I'm sure they had their reason(s) but who knows why they dropped the opening clip then changed the next clip in the previews section during Ep #5 from what it was during the previews at the end of Ep #4? Dropping the house is perhaps not too surprising, but it's interesting how the next clip was swapped out...

Enjoy!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 26, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_05.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 30, 2021, 04:16:00 PM
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0130ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 (Extended) - Carolyn: 'It'd be, uh, kind of tough to
 leave, you know, right now.'

Discussion about today's restored scene featured in the slideshow begins in the pilot script topic with the following post:
... Though when it comes to the next scene, there was one bit of dialogue short of a complete rewrite - and we'll get into that in the not too distant future...

And remember that if you want to follow along with what was being said and/shared back when this slideshow first appeared for 2011th's 20th anniversay, check out
Today marks the debut of yet another new slideshow: the '91 DS Series 20th Anniversary Year Slideshow. ...
And for the post about today's entry, check out
... Anyway, the current quote is from the only extended scene in the 2nd half of the pilot: ...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 31, 2021, 11:52:22 PM
Today's excuse in the slideshow -

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0131ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Willie: 'I fell.'

- has to be the best, and by that I also mean the worst excuse ever in any version of DS to cover a vampire bite! I LOVE IT!!

Though Willie is partial to using the excuse that he fell to cover other things as well, as we'll discuss later in the slideshow. Apparently it's his catch-all excuse.  [snow_wink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 02, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Preview of Ep #6:


And here's a January 31st promo:


And a promo from February 1st:


I was never quite sure if that one painted the series in a way it should have been painted. But then, NBC didn't consult any of us, now did they...

And here's the opening of Ep #6 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:


Obviously whoever wrote the copy for that recap wasn't associated with the show because anyone associated with the show would have known Barnabas did not turn Carolyn into a vampire.  [snow_rolleyes]

Enjoy!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 02, 2021, 03:30:00 AM
I've always found it a bit strange that the previews for Ep #6 (Hour 7) includes footage that was still in its shot day-for-night stage and not color corrected:

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Previews_5-1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Previews_5-2.jpg)

And Ep #6 introduced a new commercial bumper as its third bumper of the night:

Enjoy as well!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 02, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_06.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 05, 2021, 12:56:10 AM
Look - a "MUST" quote from the '91 Series' pilot:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0204ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Mrs. Johnson: 'All I can say is Barnabas Collins
must be a wonderful man.'

I wonder how many others there might be...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 09, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Preview of Ep #7:


And here's a February 7th voiceover over the closing credits of LA Law:


And a promo from February 8th:


It's interesting how the promo changes the preview's "Next week, Victoria is trapped in 1790" to "Next, see Dark Shadows from the very beginning," no doubt to try to attract people who thought they may have missed too much...

And here's the opening of Ep #7 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:


Who knows why they implied Barnabas was going to tell Victoria his secret because he had no intention of doing so. But then I think the previous ep's recap copy regarding Carolyn pretty much established that whoever was writing the copy for the recaps couldn't possibly have been associated with the show.  [snow_rolleyes]
The opening also includes the new version of the theme including Lysette Anthony's credit...

Enjoy!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 09, 2021, 03:30:00 AM
I've posted about this previously:

... it's interesting to keep in mind that when it comes to the scene between Barnabas and Angelique at the end of Ep #7's 2nd Act that scene played somewhat differently on NBC than it does on the MPI VHS and the Sony DVD. There's more deep breathing in the NBC version. And, well, more of something else on the VHS/DVD.  [hall2_grin]  Check out each version:

NBC:


VHS:


Who knows why neither MPI or Sony have ever acknowledged the differences?
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 09, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_07.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 09, 2021, 05:44:02 PM
A couple more things with regard to Ep #7 ( Hour 8 ):

It's certainly interesting that the preview and the promos for the ep completely give away the ep's ending. The shot of Josette turning as she pulls down the hood of her cloak followed by Victoria stating "She's me" is exactly how the ep ends. One might think NBC wouldn't have wanted to spoil that, but apparently one would be wrong.

And revisiting Angelique's seduction, anyone who hasn't seen MPI's DS RESURRECTED VHS might be unaware that more was shot that didn't make it into the ep. The clips shared in reply #45 both end with Barnabas rising up and that's because there's an outtake on the VHS of footage that was shot of Barnabas lifting Angelique, carrying her to his bed, putting her down, and then moving down on her -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Sed-1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Sed-2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Sed-3.jpg)

- but none of it was used. It may have simply been cut for time. Though given what the VHS clip shows NBC left out from what's included on the VHS version of Ep #7, perhaps NBC also felt the outtake footage was too sexy. Who knows?
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Gothick on February 10, 2021, 10:17:01 PM
Nice shot of Julia with the umbrella today. I thought that scene was well shot.

And great photos of the sequence of Barnabas with Angelique, something we never saw in any of the flashback storylines on the original series. The closest they came was in 1971(1841 PT) when Bramwell took Catherine to bed, As I recall it, they both kept all their clothes on.

G.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 13, 2021, 07:38:06 PM
Nice shot of Julia with the umbrella today. I thought that scene was well shot.

Yes, I was happy with the way that screen cap turned out:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0210ds91_0.jpg)

And it's yet another one of the scenes that looks very different on the DVD release because of the color timing being off:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0210ds91_0a.jpg)

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And great photos of the sequence of Barnabas with Angelique, something we never saw in any of the flashback storylines on the original series.

No, we certainly never did. And we still haven't so far as canon goes for the '91 Series because it's not included in any version of the series. One can only imagine how different some aspects of the '91 Series might be if none of the material shot had been cut or if all of it had been restored in some sort of directors' cuts of the series' eps. But that's something we could never hope to happen...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 13, 2021, 08:44:04 PM
Look - a "MUST" quote from the '91 Series' pilot:

...

I wonder how many others there might be...

Well, today's installment shows there's at least one other:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0213ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Barnabas: 'Exactly the way it must have been
almost 200 years ago.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 16, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Preview of Ep #8:


And here's a February 14th voiceover over the closing credits of LA Law:


And three promo from February 15th:


It's interesting how the announcers' inflections are different in each version...

And here's the opening of Ep #8 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:


And for a change the recap copy manages not to get anything wrong...

Enjoy!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 16, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_08.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 16, 2021, 06:46:29 PM
If you've paid attention to NBC's recap of Ep #7 ( Hour 8 ), you no doubt spotted something that was never actually seen in NBC's version of Ep #7. Yes, that's right, the start of the panning down to reveal Angelique's heaving breast while she was seducing Barnabas:

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Recap_8.jpg)

Though thank heavens even NBC's recap cut away before the actual heaving began because no doubt otherwise all of us would have been irreparably scarred for life.  [snow_rolleyes]  Though the real thanks go to MPI for having had no such qualms.  [snow_wink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on February 16, 2021, 07:52:41 PM
We had so much spoofing the 1790 story in Victoria Winters' Bogus Journey.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 16, 2021, 08:20:06 PM
 [pointing-up]  Unfortunately I missed that because I didn't attend the '91 NYC Fest, but I heard many great things about it.  [snow_cheesy]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on February 16, 2021, 09:58:23 PM
A lot of people missed that festival since it was Thanksgiving weekend. A masterpiece of scheduling.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 17, 2021, 04:46:19 PM
If you've paid attention to NBC's recap of Ep #7 ( Hour 8 ), you no doubt spotted something that was never actually seen in NBC's version of Ep #7. Yes, that's right, the start of the panning down to reveal Angelique's heaving breast while she was seducing Barnabas: ...

I was just checking the preview for Ep #7, looking for something else, and noticed that what's even more interesting about the recap showing more for that ep than was shown in the actual ep is that in the preview for Ep #7 and the February 8th promo (both in reply #44) the sequence is cut off at the same point that it is in the ep. If no one at NBC saw the recap until it aired on February15th, I wonder if heads rolled because it dared to show more?  [snow_wink]  Though probably not because, as I pointed out, thank heavens none of the actual heaving of Angelique's breast was shown - we were all spared such shocking salaciousness on US TV.  [snow_rolleyes]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Gerard on February 17, 2021, 06:36:46 PM
I miss the good old days when Dark Shadows didn't have any bosoms.

Gerard
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 17, 2021, 08:54:10 PM
Well, as far as the TV versions of the show, there still aren't any because, while material was shot for the '91 Series, it wasn't included in what was actually broadcast on NBC. The WB pilot may have had more than the currently circulated version does because originally there was more to the scene between Carolyn and Joe on his boat, but I don't honestly remember how the missing material was shot.

But when it comes to DS movies, NoDS sctually had a lot more than the 2012 version did - especially the R-rated version...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Gerard on February 18, 2021, 03:17:23 AM
It is rather apparent that, in NoDS, Lara Parker got some help from the props department as she wasn't, shall we say, rather bodacious on the series.  It's easily confirmed by the scene in "Race With the Devil" where she is swimming with Loretta Swit dressed in a bikini.  While suitably blessed by nature, she certainly wasn't - um - Dolly Parton.

Gerard
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on February 18, 2021, 04:54:54 AM
Well, at least there was enough money in the budget to provide Lara with underwear. Poor Nancy Barrett had to go without skivvies as vampire Carolyn in HODS.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: KMR on February 21, 2021, 12:50:12 AM
But when it comes to DS movies, NoDS sctually had a lot more than the 2012 version did - especially the R-rated version...

I remember more breast grabbing (clothed), more thigh touching (again, clothed) and more tongue. Was there anything else that I'm forgetting (on the sex--not violence--side)?
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 23, 2021, 02:54:07 AM
 [pointing-up]  There was definitely more to the tower room encounter between Angelique and Charles before Gabriel & Co. rudely interrupted them...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 23, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Ep #8's preview of Ep #9:


Look forward to a few different style of promos leading up to the show's March 1st return...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 24, 2021, 06:52:00 PM
And today's is another must quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0224ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #1 - Sarah: 'You must stop, Barnabas.'

I don't know how I could have forgotten about that one...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 24, 2021, 11:48:01 PM
We're getting close to "Shadow Time" helping to block out the Toxic Roaches (not to be confused with the Barking Spiders)...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 26, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
One thing that's not in dispute is that the '91 Series had good demos. Though one thing that might be in dispute is which gender the audience was more comprised of. I've read that more men watched the show than women and how that surprised NBC. But I've also read that the show had the most men as well as the most women who were watching TV on Friday nights. Perhaps both could actually be true depending on which week's demos and how those demos were analyzed. But one thing that's not up to debate is that prior to airing Ep #9 (Hour 10) NBC decided to begin an ad campaign to reach out to women. Apparently this was also because the initial ad campaign mostly emphasized the vampire/horror aspects of the show and not the romance. NBC suddenly realized that if they focused on romance perhaps they could attract more women or even more women, depending on which demo analysis one wants to go with. Hence the "Shadow Time" ad campaign was born and the first promo of that campaign aired on February 25th:


Look forward to a few different promos in this campaign...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: PennyDreadful on February 26, 2021, 07:32:38 PM
Love all the ads you've been posting, MB! These are a blast from the past, particularly since I am from New Beige so even the station IDs are nostalgic. lol. I recorded a bunch too, and have a VHS somewhere. I distinctly remember one that a woman singing, "All I Want for Christmas is My Two Front Teeth". The camera then goes in for a closeup on Barnabas' mouth and (of course) he bares his fangs. lol. You might have posted it earlier in the thread. I'll need to go through and watch all of them.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 27, 2021, 12:56:09 AM
Love all the ads you've been posting, MB!

I'm so glad you've been enjoying them. I've definitely been enjoying sharing them.

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These are a blast from the past, particularly since I am from New Beige so even the station IDs are nostalgic. lol.

(Seeing snippets from 1991 of some of the WJAR staff has been wild - they look so young - but then we've all aged 30 years...)

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I recorded a bunch too, and have a VHS somewhere. I distinctly remember one that a woman singing, "All I Want for Christmas is My Two Front Teeth". The camera then goes in for a closeup on Barnabas' mouth and (of course) he bares his fangs. lol. You might have posted it earlier in the thread. I'll need to go through and watch all of them.

I hadn't posted that one this time around. I did post it back in 2008 when we were doing the Watching Project for the '91 Series but it was in a format that's no longer supported. One of the reasons I've been posting the promos/previews/recaps that I have is because the versions I'd previously posted are no longer watchable. And with that in mind here is that promo that first ran on December 22nd:

Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 27, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Here's the second "Shadow Time" promo, having aired on February 26th:


Look forward to two more promos in this campaign...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: PennyDreadful on February 27, 2021, 06:35:06 PM
Haha! Yep, that's the one! Thanks for posting that one, and all of the others too, MB!
In more local memories, I remember there was a protest in front of New Bedford City Hall after it was announced that the show was going to be canceled. I'm not sure who organized that, but I believe I found out about it via one of the local radio stations (FUN 107, I think).  It's funny thinking back on it. I get the idea behind holding DS protests in major cities, and especially in front of NBC studios, but I'm not sure why we thought holding "Don't stake 'Dark Shadows'" picket signs in front of NB city hall would make any difference. I imagine the mayor and city hall employees must have been quite confused about the whole thing. lol. That said, I totally participated and met some cool people there :)

I remember chatting with this one group of gothy folks who created their own tabletop DS RPG which was set in the classic series' continuity. They were telling me all about their most recent gaming session, and it sounded really cool. Ever since then, I've wondered why DS never had its own official tabletop role-playing game like 'Star Trek' or 'Doctor Who'.

 
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 28, 2021, 02:58:25 PM
Haha! Yep, that's the one! Thanks for posting that one, and all of the others too, MB!

My pleasure.  [snow_smiley]

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In more local memories, I remember there was a protest in front of New Bedford City Hall after it was announced that the show was going to be canceled. I'm not sure who organized that, but I believe I found out about it via one of the local radio stations (FUN 107, I think).  It's funny thinking back on it. I get the idea behind holding DS protests in major cities, and especially in front of NBC studios, but I'm not sure why we thought holding "Don't stake 'Dark Shadows'" picket signs in front of NB city hall would make any difference. I imagine the mayor and city hall employees must have been quite confused about the whole thing. lol. That said, I totally participated and met some cool people there :)

That is interesting. I remember that there was a rally in Boston. One might think the radio station might have suggested joining that one. Or at least that they picket the WJAR studio in Cranston, RI - that was closer than Boston. But apparently they wanted a rally in NB...

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I've wondered why DS never had its own official tabletop role-playing game like 'Star Trek' or 'Doctor Who'.

That is odd...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 28, 2021, 03:00:00 PM
Just in case anyone is wondering why another promo in the "Shadow Time" campaign wasn't posted last night, that's because nothing new was aired on the 27th. But there will be something new posted tonight and tomorrow night...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 01, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Here's the third "Shadow Time" promo, having aired on February 28th:


It's also the one and only one without an intro scene of a woman leading up to saying "It's Shadow Time."

And here's a "Shadow Time" voiceover that ran that same night during the closing credits of an NBC news special:


Look forward to one more completely new promo in this campaign...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 01, 2021, 11:10:02 PM
No doubt everyone has noticed that in the third "Shadow Time" promo NBC brought out the sliding the strap down Angelique's shoulder clip. Though thank heavens it once again cuts off before any of -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0228_1-1.jpg)

- Angelique's heaving breast or any of her breast, for that matter, is seen.

Also, one thing I find fascinating is that not only the third but also the second "Shadow Time" promo includes a clip of Barnabas confronting Angelique with the clay figures representing Josette and Jeremiah as if it's somehow a romantic moment. Perhaps taken out of context it may look romantic, as if Barnabas is dipping Angelique -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0228_1-2.jpg)

- but in the context of what's actually happening, it's anything but romantic. Though, of course, at the point these "Shadow Time" promos were originally running the audience had yet to see the actual scene because it takes place in the in as yet unaired Ep #9 (Hour 10), so anyone seeing it in the "Shadow Time" promos had no idea of the actual context. Lucky for whoever edited it in. Although, all that being said, they do say that there's a thin line between love and hate.  [easter_wink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 02, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
I've already posted the preview for Ep #9 back in reply #64. So, among other things, here's the fourth "Shadow Time" promo, having aired on March 1st:


And here's the opening of Ep #9 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:


And again the recap copy manages not to get anything wrong. I wonder if someone else took control?

Enjoy!  [easter_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 02, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_09.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 02, 2021, 11:40:14 PM
Of all the "Shadow Time" promos, the fourth (the third with an intro scene) is my favorite - I love the expressions on the woman's face when she talks about ninja night on the VCR and the musical stylings of the Toxic Roaches - and especially when she says, "I think not."

And it may look like the clips section for the fourth promo is the same as for the third promo. And it almost is, but it's not exactly the same. Those paying close attention no doubt spotted that the clip of Barnabas confronting Angelique with the clay dolls -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0228_1-2.jpg)

-  gets replaced with a clip of Carolyn's hands caressing Barnabas' bare chest -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0301_3-1.jpg)

- which, unlike the Barnabas/Angelique clip, is romantic...  [easter_wink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 04, 2021, 05:38:30 PM
It just recently came to my attention that the opening recap for Ep #8 doesn't play on some people's phones, similarly to how two of the commercial bumpers from the second night of the miniseries don't. I still have no idea why that is because all the videos are created/posted in the same way so it's very odd that most play but selected others don't on some phones. But so that those who can't play the recap can know what they're missing, here's a montage of the shots used in the recap -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Recap_8-M.jpg)

- and the voiceover/dialogue used:

"[1]Previously [2]on Dark Shadows [3](Vicki's screams) [4]an evening seance [5]sent Victoria back in time [6]to 1790 [7](Vicki: 'Oh, dear God, what is this?') [8]where she saw familiar faces [9]including Barnabas [10]before he was a vampire [11](Barnabas: 'Is there') [12](Barnabas: 'anything you wish to tell me?') [13]Barnabas, while waiting for his [14]fiancee was seduced by [15]Angelique (Angelique: 'I decided to') [16](Angelique: 'invite myself.') [17]an evil temptress determined [18]to keep young Barnabas to herself [19](Barnabas: 'Why do you persist in this?') [20]as Victoria looked on, Barnabas's [21]fiancee arrived [22]she, too, looked familiar [23](Vicki: 'She's me.') Dark [24]Shadows next."

The numbers in brackets indicate the shot being used.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on March 04, 2021, 06:33:21 PM
Everything that you've posted has been fine with my phone.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 04, 2021, 07:06:01 PM
Everything also works fine on my phone. And it doesn't seem to be an Apple iOS vs. Android thing because everything works on phones running both. Perhaps it has something to do with a particular phone's browser. But even at that why would some videos play while others don't in the same browser when the videos are formatted in the same way? It's too weird...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: KMR on March 06, 2021, 10:02:26 PM
[pointing-up]  There was definitely more to the tower room encounter between Angelique and Charles before Gabriel & Co. rudely interrupted them...

I can't recall any difference between the "R-rated" cut and the official GP cut, but I suppose it's because my 14-year-old mind was so wildly traumatized that I completely blocked it out. [easter_grin]

Interesting that back then, I still had a big "crush" (if you could call it that) on Lara Parker, which perhaps had been intensified by actually meeting and speaking with her a year ot two earlier after a local summer stock performance of The Star-Spangled Girl that she starred in in my hometown. It wasn't until much later that I realized the real attraction in the movie (among the human cast, not architecture) was David Selby. I was so blind back then...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: KMR on March 06, 2021, 10:13:01 PM
But one thing that's not up to debate is that prior to airing Ep #9 (Hour 10) NBC decided to begin an ad campaign to reach out to women. Apparently this was also because the initial ad campaign mostly emphasized the vampire/horror aspects of the show and not the romance. NBC suddenly realized that if they focused on romance perhaps they could attract more women or even more women, depending on which demo analysis one wants to go with. Hence the "Shadow Time" ad campaign was born and the first promo of that campaign aired on February 25th:

I always think of DS 1991 as being primarily a gothic romance with strong horror elements, so it's curious that it took them a while to emphasize that. Although I do have to say that the "shadow time" campaign is pretty cheesy. (Yet not as off-the-wall and campy as the "two front teeth" ad!) Thanks for all of these promo postings, MB! I'd never seen them, and frankly they're kind of blowing my mind!
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 09, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
Preview of Ep #10:


And here's a voiceover that ran during the closing credits of Ep #9 to reiterate the move to 10/9:


(And in case you haven't noticed, I added a closing credits voiceover to Reply #8 because I forgot to include it originally.)

And here's a promo from March 5th:


And two promos from March 7th:


And then from March 8th here's a different type of "Shadow Time" promo in that most of the song's lyrics have been replaced by a voiceover:


And finally it's the opening of Ep #10 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

Enjoy!  [easter_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 09, 2021, 05:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_10.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: KMR on March 09, 2021, 04:41:51 PM
And finally it's the opening of Ep #10 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

Enjoy!  [easter_smiley]

What in the world is that lying on the floor just a bit away from Angelique's head as she's cursing Barnabas? It looks like a roll of toilet paper!  [easter_cheesy]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 09, 2021, 07:26:07 PM
 [pointing-up]  THAT is FUNNY!!  [easter_grin]  It really does look like it could be -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Recap_10.jpg)

- a roll of toilet paper!

(And it's barely even noticeable when the frame is cropped -

(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/Recap_10a.jpg)

- like it is on most of the DVD versions of the series.)

But the truth is that during their confrontation Barnabas knocks the candles off of the table Angelique was sitting at so that's what's on the floor.

But you know, I've always said that because toilets already existed in Europe in the 1700s, it's certainly potentially possible that the Old House had them. After all, the Collinses could have afforded anything they wanted and they had easy access to Europe through their shipping enterprise. They could have easily imported the toilets and the other parts needed to installs them as well as brought over the people to install them. So, if it wasn't for the fact that within the scene we know it's a candle, it might have been a roll of toilet paper.  [easter_wink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 10, 2021, 08:24:06 PM
Some other things that I've been meaning to get into:

I'm sure most people noticed that the reworked "Shadow Time" promo is the same as the second version, it's just that the lyrics were replaced by a voiceover, no clips were replaced or added. But it's interesting that they picked that one to rework/reuse. You all know which one I would have preferred seeing come back, but I think I can understand why they picked that one and it might be because it had the more innocuous intro scene so the focus could be more on the time period change info during the voiceover. And say what you will about the campaign, but I prefer it to that promo NBC ran on February 1st, right before that night's ep (the promo that appears in Reply #40). That one just completely rubs me the wrong way and thank heavens it's the only promo NBC ever did like it and it only ran that once.

And I may have jumped the gun when I speculated in Reply #76 that after the errors in the copy during the openings for Eps #6 & #7 the one(s) responsible for that copy might have been replaced, like with someone who actually knew what they were doing because quite obviously there was an error in the opening for Ep #10. There's no indication in Ep #9 that "Angelique's wicked spirit took the form of Josette, Barnabas's fiancee...and in a moment of passion gave Barnabas the kiss of a vampire." It's always been my interpretation that what Angelique actually did was somehow cause the vampire bat to first appear to be Josette - and that's why after the attack what had appeared to be Josette transformed into its real form of the vampire bat and flew away. I mean, why would Angelique transform herself into Josette, and then transform herself into a vampire bat, only to then appear as herself after the bat had flown through the window? And worse still, footage of the bat is included in the opening's recap! But then, not only do I strongly suspect whoever was writing the copy wasn't associated with the show, but I really question if they ever even watched it so as to write an accurate summary?!  [easter_rolleyes]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 16, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Preview of Ep #11:


And here's a promo from March 12th:


And here's a March 14th voiceover over the closing credits of LA Law:


I've pointed out how this has happened before, but I do love how they tweak the voiceovers for the promos. Here are two such promos from March 15th:


And two more promos from March 15th:


The reason that second one is so screwed up is because something wacky suddenly happened with the station during the closing credits of Hunter. Thankfully it cleared up before DS came on. And after all, in that instance it's the voiceover and not the video quality that's important.

And finally it's the opening of Ep #11 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

Enjoy!  [easter_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 16, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_11.jpg)
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 16, 2021, 08:08:45 PM
Something related to Ep #11 (Hour 12) came up in the topic for the third Innovation comic so I'd posted two screen caps from a deleted scene from Ep #11:

I forgot to mention yesterday that I started to watch "Dark Shadows Resurrected" with the intention of simply getting the screen caps of Joanna and Barbara, but I ended up watching the whole thing. I hadn't seen it in years and I'd forgotten how much behind the scenes footage and how many deleted scenes there are. One deleted scene that's particularly a hoot is from Hour 12/Episode 11 of Willie outside the Old House and feeding the birds -

...

- though for those who've seen the series, it takes a completely different turn when Joe sneaks into the house behind Willie -

...

- because we know what Joe's action is leading to...

...

And I was going to share those screen caps again here. However, I discovered that a piece of software that I have on my PC can pull unencrypted video from a DVD and I had made a copy of DS Resurrected on DVD, so I wondered if I could get a copy of the scene rather than simply share screen caps, and lo and behold I could. So, below you will find the video I made of it. And not only is the deleted scene from Ep 11 included, but also the deleted Ep #7 scene I'd shared screen caps of back in Reply #47 of Barnabas carrying Angelique to his bed because that sequence comes up right after the deleted Ep #11 scene:


At least in the Willie/Joe instance, not including the scene doesn't really take away anything from the ep. Though in the case of Barnabas/Angelique, the deleted part would have added more. But alas...

(And it's amazing how you can have a piece of software on your computer for years and never realize what it's fully capable of until an opportunity to test it crops up.  [easter_wink])
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 20, 2021, 11:08:00 PM
I can't recall any difference between the "R-rated" cut and the official GP cut, but I suppose it's because my 14-year-old mind was so wildly traumatized that I completely blocked it out. [easter_grin]

That could be it  [easter_wink]  - and I strongly suspect the '90s NBC censors would definitely think it's the reason!  [easter_rolleyes]

I just hope that the deleted footage I shared of Barnabas carrying Angelique to his bed hasn't traumatized too many people. I suppose all I can hope is that anyone who feared seeing the actual footage (as opposed to just the screen caps) totally avoided playing anything after the Willie/Joe scene...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on March 21, 2021, 01:47:37 AM
There's one promo that I've never seen. It was shot at the Vista the weekend of the 1991 festival. It was done by a station that was going to air (or at least planning to) air the NBC show. I've long since forgotten what station was doing this or if they ever aired the series. But they were asking fans for their reaction to the show. They got some pretty odd responses. One guy with a pronounced speech impediment said that it was better than Cats. I think that he meant the Andrew Lloyd Webber play and not the species. But you never know.
It was after the performance of Victoria Winters Bogus Journey that he interviewed me and my collaborator Athena Victory. I think that my snark level was running particularly high that day. When asked for my comments on the series, I said that I wished that someone had told Ben Cross that it's difficult to go around hissing like that and try to come across as masculine.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 21, 2021, 03:20:34 PM
it's difficult to go around hissing like that and try to come across as masculine.

Considering it was DC's idea for all that, and given his phobias while working on the original series, that's an ironic observation if ever there was one!!  [easter_wink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on March 21, 2021, 03:40:13 PM
My friend Athena was no slouch in the snark department either. She pointed out that when Barnabas goes into vampire attack mode, he bore an uncanny resemblance to Ed O'Neill on Married With Children.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 21, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
Thank heavens when the shot in today's installment in the slideshow -

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0321ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #2 - Joe: 'No, Daphne. No.'

- was cropped from 4X3 to 16X9 for the DVD release, whoever did it had the good sense not to center the cropping of the frame and to raise it so that it cropped out more of Daphne at the bottom and not the heads -

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0321ds91_0a.jpg)

- of the characters in the top of the background. Well, except for that one polieman...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 23, 2021, 02:00:00 AM
Before getting to posting things for Ep #12 (Hour 13) there's a bit of old business because you've probably noted that the voiceover for the opening of Ep #11 manages to also screw up because it says with reference to Barnabas, "Josette chose to join him as a creature of the night," and that is so not true. Josette never agreed to becoming a vampire. In fact, as we see in EP #12, after she finds out what her existence will be like with Barnabas, just like in the original show, Josette runs away from him and rather than be with Barnabas jumps from Widows' Hill. But hey, if we want to look on it with a positive attitude, all the screw ups in some of the opening voiceovers just help to continue the tradition of all sorts of errors associated with the show.  [easter_cheesy]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 23, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Preview of Ep #12:


And here's a promo from March 18th:


And here's a March 21st voiceover  over the closing credits of Wings:


And promos from March 22nd:


And finally it's the opening of Ep #11 as it played on the east coast at exactly 30 years ago today:

Enjoy!  [easter_smiley]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 23, 2021, 04:00:00 AM
(http://www.dsboards.com/1991/91_30th_12.jpg)

You've no doubt noticed screen caps from scenes not seen on NBC or even the MPI VHS. More on that later...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Uncle Roger on March 23, 2021, 07:50:52 PM
All of the promos call it the season finale, not the series finale. Had it been canceled by then?
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 23, 2021, 08:54:02 PM
No - it wasn't until May that NBC announced the show had been canceled...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: KMR on March 28, 2021, 05:57:46 PM
Before getting to posting things for Ep #12 (Hour 13) there's a bit of old business because you've probably noted that the voiceover for the opening of Ep #11 manages to also screw up because it says with reference to Barnabas, "Josette chose to join him as a creature of the night," and that is so not true. Josette never agreed to becoming a vampire. In fact, as we see in EP #12, after she finds out what her existence will be like with Barnabas, just like in the original show, Josette runs away from him and rather than be with Barnabas jumps from Widows' Hill. But hey, if we want to look on it with a positive attitude, all the screw ups in some of the opening voiceovers just help to continue the tradition of all sorts of errors associated with the show.  [easter_cheesy]

Maybe whoever wrote that had advance knowledge of the Burton film and was just confusing the two...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on June 18, 2021, 08:16:11 PM
I had a really good laugh when I saw and was reminded of today's quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0618ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #6 - Willie: 'Take yourself a nice nap. Okay.'

Too Funny!!  [stfl] [stfl] [stfl]  Yup, after a vampire attack, all one needs is "a nice nap."  [b003]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on July 08, 2021, 02:36:40 PM
Another must quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0708ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #6 - Sarah: 'Why must you hurt people, Barnabas? Why
can you not understand that some want to help you?'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on July 10, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
And another must quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0710ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #6 - Maggie: 'Sarah, if you can hear me, we need your
help. If you are in this room, you must speak to us.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on July 11, 2021, 02:50:40 PM
The third must quote in almost as many days:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0711ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #6 - Victoria (speaking as Sarah): 'Someone must
come. Someone must try -- to change things.'

And a double "must" at that...
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on July 26, 2021, 01:56:23 PM
And yet another must quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0726ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #7 - Victoria: 'Where is the Mad Hatter? He must be late
for the tea party.''

I do love how they used that line to stress the absurdity Vicki thinks is happening around her, as opposed to original DS Vicki's simply thinking she probably dreaming. And the fact that Vicki says it out loud, as opposed to herself, makes it all the better. Well, for the storytelling - not for the perception of the level of Vicki's sanity.  [ghost_nowink]
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on October 03, 2021, 01:36:12 AM
Another must quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/1002ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #9 - Sarah (speaking through Maggie): 'You must stop.
Something terrible is trying to come back here.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on October 12, 2021, 11:56:10 PM
Today's must quote from the '91 DS is hysterically funny -

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/1012ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #10 - Ben: 'Must be some reason, ma'am.'

- once one remembers it's in response to -

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/1011ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #10 - Millicent: 'Why am I always the last to be considered?'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: McTrooper on October 15, 2021, 01:53:29 AM
This thread (post) really makes me want to marathon my DVD’s again.

The 91 series was my first Dark Shadows series introduction.  My dad used to watch the original series after school as a kid.

I’m looking forward to going through the other thread (post) mentioned on script.
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on October 29, 2021, 01:00:04 AM
Another must quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/1028ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #10 - Josette: 'The music box that Barnabas gave to me. It's
the one thing It want to take from this place. ... I must have
left it at the Old House.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on October 30, 2021, 08:52:35 PM
Oops - I forgot to post this yesterday:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/1029ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #10 - Natalie: 'You must let go. However much you wish it,
you cannot bring him back to life.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on November 10, 2021, 07:02:05 PM
And another must quote:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/1110ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #11 - Barnabas: 'Julia, you must go to Maggie Evans
immediately. As the medium through which Angelique
reached you, she might be able to undo what has been
done.'
Title: Re: DS 1991 30th anniversary
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on November 14, 2021, 03:26:34 PM
Another oops - I forgot to post this on Friday:

(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/1112ds91_0.jpg)
Ep #11 - Josette: 'I must go to him.'