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We've decided to move forward in 2020 with Book 3 of Innovation's '91 DS comic series. Even though there is only one issue, that issue is well worth exploring. In fact, Issue 1 really does show how promising the story would have most probably turned out to have been had it been released in its entirty. But alas...
First up, sharing the cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And what the cover relates to will become apparent before too long...
Also, this time around the front covers are again drawn by artist Hector Gomez, but the back covers are drawn by (an uncredited on the cover) Jose Pimentel, and the story is drawn by a new artist to the series, Felipe Echevarria, in a very ethereal style that is hinted at by today's first entry in Book 3's slideshow...
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And here's the inside cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
For a change, the month in the signature of the essay actually does correspond to the month the issue came out.
And speaking of the signature, you may be asking yourself who George Broderick, Jr. is. Well, if you've been paying attention to the credits on the back inside covers (something I didn't check out closely until after I noticed something we'll address in an upcoming post), you're already aware that his name first appeared on the back cover of Book 1, Issue 1, where he was credited as an Art Director. However, he has risen to become Editor-In-Chief as of Book 2, Issue 3's back inside cover (after David Campiti departed as Managing Editor). He also has another job so far as this issue goes (but that won't be revealed until that same upcoming post).
And you also may be asking yourself why the credits are on this front inside cover. Well, that's because the back inside cover for this issue has nothing to do with the DS comic series - but more on that after we reach this issue's back inside cover...
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Interesting. I can't recall the specifics of the chronology, but I would imagine that the never-published "Origins of Angelique" story co-authored by Lara Parker eventually saw the light of day as Angelique's Descent.
Is this one issue going to be the main slide show for the next twelve months? Asking for a friend.
Happy New Year!
GothEEEEEEEEEK (turn to camera 3 and scream)
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Here's what SG #62 had to share about the plot for Book 3, Issue 1:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_62_6_3.jpg)
Though I'm sure it will come as no surprise to anyone that something in even those few remarks that SG shared from David Campiti manages to once again conflict with the '91 Series - and to conflict big time. But more on that once we reach that point in Book 3, Issue 1. Though, if you think about the timing within the '91 Series as the comic's plot unfolds, perhaps you'll hit on the problem yourself and I won't have to point it out...
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Interesting. I can't recall the specifics of the chronology, but I would imagine that the never-published "Origins of Angelique" story co-authored by Lara Parker eventually saw the light of day as Angelique's Descent.
It did indeed.
Is this one issue going to be the main slide show for the next twelve months? Asking for a friend.
Well, you can tell your friend that this slideshow will last from January through March, basically the same length as if we had all four issues of Book 3. A new, and I think fun slideshow based on the original DS will begin in April...
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I'm still trying to figure out what happened in Book 2 and what that was all about.
Gerard
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Here's the first page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Not only is this the first page, quite obviously it's also the title page. Unlike Books 1 & 2, Book 3 does not have a double title page. And another thing it doesn't have is an opening from Vicki - but that will actually make some sense once the story develops.
And no that we can see the entire page, as opposed to the cropping that was used for the slideshow. it becomes much clearer that the scene depicted is a funeral. Could the little girl be the ghost of the person they're burying?
Also, note that George Broderick, Jr. is listed with Jim Pierson as a Consulting Editor. It's too bad that the series didn't continue because it would have been fascinating to see if his addition would have made an difference whatsoever when it came to conflicts with the '91 Series. But alas...
Note, also, that there's a new person doing the lettering...
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Thanks for that background, MB. I look forward very much to the new slideshow in April.
Was the complete script by Scott Rockwell ever published in any form?
Best wishes,
G ... who tonight embarked on a "Happy 50th anniversary" revisit of the PT 1970 storyline... starting with episodes 969-70. Great fun! Sam Hall wrote some hilarious dialogue for those two shows.
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SG #66 from October 1993 shared a version of Page 1 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_5_6.jpg)
- minus the little bit of dialogue and the credits...
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And here's the second page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page2.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page2.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the skipped panels and dialogue or prayer, really...
It always seems to rain during DS funerals...
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You may have noticed that the slideshow is already up to Page 4, so here's the third page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page3.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
- because nothing on it was used in the slideshow...
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SG #66 shared a version of Page 3 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_5_7.jpg)
- minus the one bit of dialogue...
Not exactly the best reproduction, but the brighter a photo was, the less likely it was to be reproduced well in SG though no fault of their own.
Also notice that SG indicated that Innovation was sharing the first three pages of Book 3, Issue 1. However, that is wrong. What was actually shared was Page 1, Page 3, and as we'll see in a future post, Page 4. And given Innovation's slip-ups that we've already documented, the mislabelling may not have been SG's fault but Innovation's because they, and not SG, identified the pages incorrectly...
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Seems to be a different artist and a radically different switch of style. So far, I like the art--can't really comment on the story. I'll have to look at Maggie's Tarot notes on Barnabas.
G.
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Well, that's interesting--re the Tarot spread.
In the usual way of interpreting these cards as established in 20th century Tarot teaching, the Hermit card is in the Foundation position, and the Hanged Man shows the recent past. Both these Major Arcana cards would be fitting emblems of Barnabas's long centuries trapped inside the coffin, followed by his sudden release, thanks to Willie.
His Significator card is Death. No need to comment. It presents the energy he is embodying at the present moment but also could be interpreted as showing that he is going through a time of drastic personal change. Death in the Tarot often means the death of an outworn form of the personality so that a new manifestation can take full appearance.
The Moon, in the Likely Outcome position, definitely portends the return of Angelique, his nemesis--"the most evil woman who ever lived" or however the dialogue in the script had him describing her.
The Tower, in the Near Future, just as clearly figures as a terrible omen of Barnabas's aging and his attack on Carolyn when Julia's experiment goes horribly wrong.
These readings are based on the tradition of the Celtic Cross (a way of reading Tarot that became popular between around 1880 and 1900), as described in the books of Eden Gray, Rachel Pollack, and other Tarot authorities. What the Innovation comic writer did with these cards in terms of their positions is quite odd but then again--so is a lot in these books!
G.
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Thanks for your Tarot interpretation, Gothick. [santa_smiley] It's always nice when someone who actually understands Tarot explains if any form of DS is getting anything right...
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This is all SG #65 had to share about the plot for Book 3, Issue 1:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_65_5_3.jpg)
SG #66 had much more to say - a bit too much, actually. It gives away some plot points that I'd rather not be gotten into so soon, so I'm going to hold off on posting it.
But to satiate your possible hunger for reading some of that issue, here's what SG #66 had to say about DC's proposed movies based on the '91 DS Series. Even though nothing ever came of the project, it's still fun to read how it progressed and how it was publicized:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_1_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_9_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_10_1.jpg)
Apparently nothing ever came of Journal Of The Gun Years either because it's nowhere to be seen in his IMDb credits - not even as something that might have had a title change...
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Maggie looks totally crazed in today's selection. As if she's ready to skewer someone with a stiletto. Has she been possessed by Angelique again in this version? I feel as if I need a scorecard...
G.
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Yes, Maggie does look a bit crazed there -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0107ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 4 - Maggie: 'YOU'D THINK I'D
BE USED TO IT BY NOW. SILLY, ISN'T IT?'
- but it's really just Felipe Echevarria's unique way of depicting her smiling. No possessions at this point in the story...
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And here's the fourth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page4.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Just one skipped panel and its one bit of dialogue...
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Today's capture of Carolyn and Maggie kind of looks like a TV screen that is out of focus.
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Yeah, I realize the end was near for Innovation and they were cutting corners but I think the artwork is horrible. Reminds me of the old Sci Fi caption board on a day when they had technical problems and everything looked hazy. People would post captions like Willie must be burning leaves in the backyard or really Dark Shadows...Lol.
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That's Felipe Echevarria's style. Everything is very soft focus. If one goes back to the essay on the inside cover (in reply #1) it's even described as "looking-through-gauze". They seemed to think it was perfectly suited to the mood of this story and hoped readers would agree. Apparently some of you don't. [snow_cheesy] Honestly, I think it works in some panels but not so much in others...
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Given how much smoke DC always had hanging in the air in what I recall of the 1991 series, that "style" does make sense for a 1991 DS comic book.
G.
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[pointing-up] I never thought of that but it's so true!! [snow_laugh]
Barbara Steele even commented in one interview that she thought the whole cast was going to end up in iron lungs once production on the show was over...
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And here's the fifth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the one skipped panel, the two skipped bits of Carolyn's dialogue, and the one skipped piece of Maggie's dialogue...
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Oops, I forgot to post this - but SG #66 shared a version of Page 4 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_5_8.jpg)
- minus all the dialogue... Also minus quite a bit of the bottom of the page...
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And here's the sixth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page6.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the one skipped bit of dialogue...
Considering where David Campiti said this comic falls in the timeline of the '91 Series, it's odd that we're seeing snow. But that's not even the half of it, as we'll be seeing...
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Maybe it was intentional, maybe not but this aspect of the story reminds me of one of the Gold Key comics. Both featured an old lady on the outskirts of Collinsport who had a collection of dolls that seemed to animate themselves. Granny Bumpers, the old lady in the Gold Key story turned out to be Angelique. I wonder if this story was also headed in that direction.
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Here's the seventh page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the two bits of skipped dialogue and the one skipped panel...
Also note that there's more clarity to the images on this page, especially when it comes to the Tarot card...
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How odd. Today's illustration from the comic book looks as if it could have been used by Burton as a storyboard for a sequence in his DS movie.
G.
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Maybe it was intentional, maybe not but this aspect of the story reminds me of one of the Gold Key comics. Both featured an old lady on the outskirts of Collinsport who had a collection of dolls that seemed to animate themselves. Granny Bumpers, the old lady in the Gold Key story turned out to be Angelique. I wonder if this story was also headed in that direction.
Given some of the remarks David Campiti has made about Book 3, I suspect the story wouldn't go in the same way as that Gold Key issue. Also, in the future we'll be seeing possible evidence from this issue of how this story is a very different one with regard to Granny Whitlock. But that's still probably a few weeks away...
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How odd. Today's illustration from the comic book looks as if it could have been used by Burton as a storyboard for a sequence in his DS movie.
That's possibly true. Though what's drawn in the comic -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0120ds91_0.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0120ds91_1.jpg)
And from today:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0121ds91_0.jpg)
-is probably closer to a scene in the 5th hour -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Beach1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Beach2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Beach3.jpg)
- of the '91 Series. A scene in which Vicki gives Barnabas Sarah's diary...
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Thanks, MB. I don't recall that scene at all.
Those cliffs really scream California...
cheers, G.
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Those cliffs really scream California...
They sure do. As does the sunlight.
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Well, one thing to keep in mind is those screen caps from the '91 Series came from the DVD and, therefore, have incorrect color timing. That scene didn't look quite like that when it ran on NBC or when it's viewed on VHS...
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Thanks for the reminder about the DVD color timing, MB. But.. were those nighttime scenes, or daytime (during Barnabas' cure)? If the latter, it seems like darkening them would make them perhaps look even more like PM sunlight instead of AM sunlight, thus really screaming out "west coast". But if it's nighttime, then I can imagine moonlight with the correct color timing. (It's been way too long since I've watched the series!)
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Today's caption is a scream. I'm imagining Julia wearing a leather bomber jacket, the dark glasses and carrying a large Uzi... her next line is "Make... my .... DAY!"
I can definitely see why this publishing company folded.
G.
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Today's caption is a scream. I'm imagining Julia wearing a leather bomber jacket, the dark glasses and carrying a large Uzi... her next line is "Make... my .... DAY!"
I hope you won't be too disappointed when she shows up in the slideshow tomorrow and she's not wearing any of that or saying anything like that. [snow_wink] Although, Julia's eventual conversation with Barnabas on the beach is odd to say the least. But more on that once we get to it...
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Here's the eighth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note another rare page where all the panels and all the dialogue appeared in the slideshow...
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SG #65 from July 1993 shared a version of Page 8 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_65_5_5.jpg)
- minus the dialogue bubbles...
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When I first read today's quote in Book 3, Issue 1 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0126ds91_1.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 9 - Barnabas: 'I THINK THE
BEACH MAY BE GETTING EVEN CHILLIER, DOCTOR. PERHAPS
IT IS TIME WE WENT IN.'
- I immediately thought of the scene in original series Ep #345 in which Barnabas, Julia and Vicki are up on Widows' Hill and he uses how cold it's gotten as an excuse to get Julia to leave because he's supposedly so concerned for her health. Too funny.
(Though what's even funnier is when the show revisits that excuse to get rid of Julia in Vicki's dream in Ep #346 so Barnabas can be alone with Vicki and he tells Julia she should leave Josette's room because the room is too chilly. [lghy])
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It wasn't until I saw today's scan on the actual forum that the way the drawing is cropped and how the dialogue has been removed from the dialogue bubbles makes those bubbles -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0128ds91_0.jpg)
- look like Julia and Barnabas have built a snowman with a cowlick. [snow_cheesy]
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Just in case anyone has no clue what today's scan depicts -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0130ds91_0.jpg)
- it's Barnabas and Julia in the snowstorm and outside the entrance to the Old House. Tomorrow's scan might give a better idea of that, but not by much. The uncropped image leaves no doubt where they are, but it's too big to be used in the slideshow.
Of course, one does have to ask oneself why there's such a big snowstorm in the comic when where Book 3 is supposedly placed within the '91 Series the trees are filled with green leaves, the grass is fully green, and there are flowers in bloom? Obviously, the season is well into spring on the actual show. Now, can there be snowstorms in New England in the latter part of spring? Technically, yes. But they're extremely few and far between as to be well beyond expectation. And certainly nothing like what's being depicted in Book 3. The comic is going way beyond compensating for no snow on the show!
But as bizarre as it is to see such a snowstorm at this point in time, just wait until you see how the conversation between Barnabas and Julia plays out...
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So, has anyone realized what's so very wrong when it comes to the exchange between Barnabas and Julia:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0129ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 9 - Barnabas: 'I AM IN NO
PAIN, DOCTOR. I KNOW MY LIMITS. SINCE THE DAY THAT
DAMNABLE PROFESSOR WOODARD FORCED ME TO EXPOSE
MYSELF TO THE SUN, I HAVE BEEN GETTING STRONGER
AND STRONGER.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0130ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 9 - Julia: 'MICHAEL WOODARD
WAS ONLY TRYING TO HELP THE SHERIFF WITH HIS
INVESTIGATION. DAPHNE COLLINS' DEATH IS OFFICIALLY
STILL AN UNSOLVED MURDER.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0131ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 9 - Barnabas: 'OH, IS THAT SO?
PERHAPS YOU CAN TELL ME WHY IT WAS THEN THAT HE
WAITED NEARLY TWO MONTHS BEFORE ACCUSING ME? NO,
JULIA, THE MAN HAS A PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST ME.
I CAN FEEL HIS HATRED.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0201ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 9 - Julia: 'DON'T WORRY
ABOUT MICHAEL. I CAN HANDLE HIM. HE'LL BELIEVE
WHATEVER I TELL HIM ABOUT DAPHNE OR ABOUT YOU.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0202ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 9 - Barnabas: 'THEN SEE TO IT,
JULIA. I WANT WOODARD OUT OF MY LIFE. SOON AND
FOR GOOD.'
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Granted I haven't been paying much attention to any of this, I somehow thought these were set during the period of time after Woodward's death and "transformation" at the hands of Barnabas, and subsequent destruction.
Terrible dialogue, awful art.
G.
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Granted I haven't been paying much attention to any of this, I somehow thought these were set during the period of time after Woodward's death and "transformation" at the hands of Barnabas, and subsequent destruction.
You may not be paying close attention, but you are dead on (no pun intended) when it comes to what is wrong with Barnabas and Julia's exchange because they're talking about a dead man (a man who is "really most sincerely dead" as the coroner in the Wizard of Oz certified the Wicked Witch of the East ;)) as if he is still alive! Maybe the snowstorm has somehow adversely affected their brains [crazd] and they've both forgotten that fact - I don't know. But David Campiti told ShadowGram (see reply #3) that Book 3 is set "right before the 1790 flashback, around the time of Episodes 6 and 7." However, fans will surely recall that after his "transformation," Woodard was dispatched by Sheriff Patterson in the '91 Series' 5th Hour, which is often considered to be Episode 4, but by any accounting is before Episode 6(7th Hour) and Episode 7(8th Hour). The fact that Campiti could continually say that all of the comics' time frames fit in perfectly with the series is simply bonkers. [noway] And the added fact that a certain consulting editor didn't catch such a glaring timing glitch as talking about Woodard long after his death (and who knows potentially what else involving Woodard in the unpublished issues of Book 3) is simply ridiculous, though hardly a first editing slip, which leads one to wonder if said consulting editor actually held the title in name only...
The interesting thing, though, is if Book 3 did indeed take place before Woodard's death in the '91 Series, at least the snow in Book 3 might have made more sense. But, well...
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And here's the ninth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the panel without dialogue at the bottom right...
And once again this is a page where all the dialogue appeared in the slideshow...
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It's that time again, time to share a letters column (twenty-fifth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
It's too bad that Scott Rockwell didn't write an essay like Maggie Thompson often did because we might have been given hints of where he was planning to take Book 3. But alas...
It just goes to show how behind time the comics were when this issue, which came out in December of 1993, was just sharing info about the proposed '91 Series movie(s), even though that info had originally come out in ShadowGram in July of 1993.
Also, it's nice to see someone bring up the discrepancy between the circumstances of Joe's treatment in the '91 Series and in Book 2, Issue 1. Though, of course, the response from Scott Rockwell completely misses the point because, while it might have been possible for Joe's condition to have fluctuated, the series goes out of its way to establish that he'd not only felt depleted but felt trapped at Collinwood for his treatment's duration, so he wasn't driving off to go Christmas shopping or for any other type of drive for that matter. But I've gotten into that in great detail in the discussions of Book 2, so I won't repeat those details here...
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As a lifetime resident of Collinsport, Maggie should have picked up on something about the Grimm sisters. Okay, maybe she wouldn't have been able to ascertain their true nature but she could easily have gotten a certain vibe from them that she couldn't quite specify. And you don't necessarily have to be psychic to know that there's something a little off about your neighbors.
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[pointing-up] I completely agree with that assessment. [nodassent]
I still wonder why the hell Roger makes a remark that the neighbors are "two old bats"? Yes, they're old, as in ancient. But Roger doesn't know that's their secret - and to the outside world they most definitely appear young. Though I suppose at the time Book 1 was written that may not have been what the plan was...
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It was actually a slip-up that MPI would be releasing "13 new DS tapes" because at the time SG #63 was published there hadn't been an announcement for the "Dark Shadows Resurrected" behind the scenes tape, so it's funny and prophetic that there actually did end up being 13 tapes released by MPI for the '91 Series. Though, as was mentioned before, it would be years before the DSR tape was actually released, despite several promised releasings of it coming and going.
ShadowGram's first mention of the "Dark Shadows Resurrected" behind the scenes tape was in SG #66 from October of 1993. On the editorial page (the first page) there was a behind the scenes photo -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_1_2.jpg)
- from Joanna Goings and Barbara Blackburn's interview shoot, and there was a short description of the tape -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_7_1.jpg)
- on Page 7. As per usual with SG, the photo doesn't scan well, but I've taken two screen captures from both actresses segments -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Joanna.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Barbara.jpg)
- to give a much clearer idea.
To say a release date wasn't set was an understatement!!
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I forgot to mention yesterday that I started to watch "Dark Shadows Resurrected" with the intention of simply getting the screen caps of Joanna and Barbara, but I ended up watching the whole thing. I hadn't seen it in years and I'd forgotten how much behind the scenes footage and how many deleted scenes there are. One deleted scene that's particularly a hoot is from Hour 12/Episode 11 of Willie outside the Old House and feeding the birds -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/birds.jpg)
- though for those who've seen the series, it takes a completely different turn when Joe sneaks into the house behind Willie -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/birds_joe.jpg)
- because we know what Joe's action is leading to...
Watching DSR really has me wanting to watch the '91 Series again...
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I don't think DS Resurrected ever had a DVD release, which is a shame for fans of the 1991 series. There was some very cool material on it. Maybe it's available online somewhere.
cheers, G.
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And apparently the DS Resurrected material never will come out on DVD because when you know who put the compilation tape together for MPI he never got the proper clearances for all of it. That's why it doesn't appear as an extra/featurette on the DVD release(s) of the '91 Series. The same is true of all the footage that was restored to the pilot for the MPI release and the footage added to the finale.
One would have expected that after the HUGE fallout from using footage on the 25th Anniversary tape of one of Frid's one man shows without getting permission to use it, you know who would have crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's for any and all footage he used on subsequent MPI compilations. But apparently not. And people in the know have said that at this point it would be next to impossible to get all the clearances necessary to use all the material on the DS Resurrected tape in another form. So, the MPI tape is and will remain the only way to see it. Well, if you could still get your hands on a copy of it because it's long out of print...
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And here's the tenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the last panel, one that was skipped in the slideshow, because it reveals that Granny Whitlock was whittling a figure of Maggie...
I do wonder if all the background about Granny Whitlock was setting some sort of foundation for story that would have come up in subsequent issues? One would hope so because otherwise it could come across as dialogue that's simply there to fill up space on the page and that seems odd because, with limited space to tell stories, space in a comic is or at least should be at a premium. I suppose we'll never know for sure. Although, I have to say she reminds me of a character type that could have easily been played by Camilla Ashland on the original DS...
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No, you're eyes weren't seeing things in today's second quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0211ds91_1.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 11 - Granny Whitlock: 'NOW
YOU SKIDADDLE, MAGGIE EVANS! CASSIE'S MY ONLY
COMFORT ON THESE LONG WINTER NIGHTS!'
- Granny Whitlock really does refer to "THESE LONG WINTER NIGHTS," meaning it's currently winter!! HUH?! [noway] It couldn't possibly be winter IF, as David Campiti reported, Book 3 takes place "right before the 1790 flashback, around the time of Episodes 6 and 7." Though as I mentioned before, taking place during winter would make more sense given the snow and especially how Professor Woodard is still alive. If the time frame being around Eps 6 and 7 really is true, why does that statement from Campiti fly in the face of what Scott Rockwell has written, particularly when both of them share editor status for these stories? Did they not compare notes? (Though, as I also said, the fact that a certain consulting editor didn't catch the discrepancy is no surprise whatsoever.)
It's too bad that we didn't get all four issues of Book 3 because, like the other two books, there might have been a scene from the '91 Series recreated in the comic. There are no such scenes in Book 3, Issue 1. But if such a scene or scenes might have appeared somewhere in Issues 2 through 4, that would have pinpointed what the time frame actually is...
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And here's the eleventh page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that the last two panels were skipped along a few bits of dialogue on the page...
It is definitely nice to see Maggie have a bigger part in the comics, as was promised for Book 3. However, this page is the last we see of Maggie in this issue (and since it's the only issue available, the last we see of her period). And I forgot to mention that apparently the more use of Carolyn was to come up in the unpublished issues because we already saw the last of her on Page 5. Though if this story truly takes place around Episodes 6 and 7, Barnabas would have already attacked Carolyn (that takes place at the end of Hour 6/Episode 5) so one has to wonder if Carolyn's curiosity about Barnabas and having Maggie do a reading about him is prompted by the attack? However, if this is somehow a pre-attack Carolyn (we can't forget those pesky signs of winter and, well, Woodard supposedly being alive), like the Carolyn of hoDS, she is developing an interest in him? Though given her pre-attack obsession with Joe in the '91 Series, the latter reason would seem unlikely. But, of course, it's only unlikely if Scott Rockwell's approach to Carolyn follows the way she was presented on the show, and that's anyone's guess. It's also something we'll never know...
Of course, if Book 3's story really does take place around Episodes 6 and 7, there's another glaring error that we've seen in what's been presented in Book 3 so far - but I'm going to hold off getting into that until after we've seen Pages 19 through 21...
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And here's the twelfth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that the first panel and its dialogue were skipped in the slideshow.
And we've now reached the point in the story as previewed by David Campiti where Granny Whitlock believes her doll is talking to her. But is that what's really happening...
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I have to say, absolutely nothing from this issue is ringing any bell whatsoever for me. I'm positive I bought it when it came out, but why wouldn't I have read it?!? I just ran across my bag of the set last week when sorting through a box of stuff. I'll have to go back and take a loom at it...
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I want to begin sharing info and photos from the Fests that took place while the Innovation comics were being released. ('91 DS stars Lysette Anthony, Michael Cavanaugh, Veronica Lauren and Adrian Paul appeared at the '91 LA Fest in June of '91, and Lysette also appeared at the '91 Fest in NYC in November/December of '91 - but those were all before the comics - though three of those stars' '91 Fest appearances will show up in regard to something else down the line.)
Here's info from SG #61 from from August 1992:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_61_3_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_61_3_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_61_3_3.jpg)
And the following is from SG #63 from January 1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_63_2_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_63_2_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_63_3_1.jpg)
Much more to come...
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And here's the thirteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that three panels and their associated dialogue were completely skipped in the slideshow as well as a bit of dialogue from the first panel.
Also note that the fifth panel appears to reveal who is really talking to Granny Whitlock - it's the ghost of the little girl whose funeral we saw at the beginning of the story...
And now that Granny Whitlock's apparent purpose here has been fulfilled, who knows if she would have made another appearance in Book 3? This is her last appearance in this issue as, with the exception of four characters, the story moves on to other characters making their sole appearances...
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Two more '92 LA Fest photos from SG #63:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_63_18_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_63_20_1.jpg)
And much more to come...
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Now that were up to Roger's section in Book 3, it's safe to post what SG #66 from had to say about Book 3 without ruining too much:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_5_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_5_3.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_5_5.jpg)
We'll never know, but I do wonder what Innovation's Ellen Jones meant by "From this point, Book 3 explores Sarah's world." I can't imagine she meant that we would only see Sarah in Issues 2 through 4 of Book 3. If so, that would have been a slap in the face to people hoping that characters like Maggie, Carolyn and Roger would get the more coverage that David Campiti promised in SG #62 - what they receive in Issue 1 could hardly be considered "a lot." So, perhaps we were to see those characters from Sarah's POV - or perhaps Jones didn't mean that we would only see Sarah's world and the other characters would pop up between the parts that would focus on Sarah. I certainly hope that would have been the case. But whatever it was to be, the focus is sadly moot at this point...
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Shadowgram seems to be overstating their involvement with the comic books. Big surprise, huh?
While Maggie does get more coverage in this issue that in the previous books, it's not exactly a leading role. Or is it? It's never quite clear who the focus of this issue is supposed to be. Is it Maggie? Sarah? Robin? Granny Whitlock? Will any of this have any connection to Barnabas or Vicki? It's fine to have subplots in a book but the pacing here is all wrong. Just as we are given a potentiality interesting scene with Maggie, Granny or anybody, the scene is dropped and we're thrust into a completely different scene with different characters and little, if any, exposition.
My main problem with the Innovation series is the decision to anchor the series in a block of continuity in the NBC series that was not depicted on screen. A bit indulgent but it could have worked better. Unfortunately, by choosing a setting that is locked into a specific time period turned out to be very restrictive. The DS characters aren't allowed to grow or develop because that might contradict things that happened on the series. So, they basically have to remain unchanged and stagnant. The writers tried to get around this by bringing in a lot of new characters. With mixed results. I wanted to read about the Collins family and their circle of friends, not the goofy residents of Barrettstown or the Medusa family. Too often, the Dark Shadows characters seemed like guests in their own book.
It does rather explain why none of the Innovation staff became major players in the comics field.
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So, I'm guessing that at this point in the comic book, Roger has had a psychotic break and is ranting at an invisible Laura.
Thankfully, I presume there are only a few more pages to go in this trainwreck.
G.
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You can't tell all that well from the graphics in the slideshow because they're cropped so much, but when Page 14 is posted tomorrow it will be clear that Roger is speaking to a portrait. Although, that's also mentioned in the SG report in reply #62. It's a device that's often used in storytelling...
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While Maggie does get more coverage in this issue that in the previous books, it's not exactly a leading role. Or is it? It's never quite clear who the focus of this issue is supposed to be. Is it Maggie? Sarah? Robin? Granny Whitlock? Will any of this have any connection to Barnabas or Vicki? It's fine to have subplots in a book but the pacing here is all wrong. Just as we are given a potentiality interesting scene with Maggie, Granny or anybody, the scene is dropped and we're thrust into a completely different scene with different characters and little, if any, exposition.
Yes, the scenes in this issue definitely jump around with little flow or connection. Perhaps if we'd gotten all four issues it might make some sense why things are written that way. But we won't ever see Issues 2 through 4, so we're left to wonder...
My main problem with the Innovation series is the decision to anchor the series in a block of continuity in the NBC series that was not depicted on screen. A bit indulgent but it could have worked better. Unfortunately, by choosing a setting that is locked into a specific time period turned out to be very restrictive. The DS characters aren't allowed to grow or develop because that might contradict things that happened on the series. So, they basically have to remain unchanged and stagnant.
Indeed. And the worse thing is that they don't always operate within the plot points already presented on the '91 Series. As we've pointed out so many times that I've lost count, characters' actions and plot often and blatantly fly in the face of the series.
The writers tried to get around this by bringing in a lot of new characters. With mixed results. I wanted to read about the Collins family and their circle of friends, not the goofy residents of Barrettstown or the Medusa family.
I didn't mind the Grimm sisters as much as I loathed Barrettstown. There were so many good aspects of Book 1, but they were often overshadowed by the Barrettstown foolishness. However, I strongly suspect the only reason Barrettstown ever existed in Book 1 was as an excuse to use Lara Parker's image and to use her character to set the stage for what was planned for Book 4. Book 4 might have been quite interesting (we'll touch more on what was planned for Book 4 after this issue ends) but we'll never know. While parts were similar to what became Angelique's Descent, much was very different...
Too often, the Dark Shadows characters seemed like guests in their own book.
Exactly!
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Another batch of '92 LA Fest photos from SG #63:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_63_19_1.jpg)
And still much more to come...
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And here's the fourteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that the fourth panel and its dialogue were skipped in the slideshow...
And speaking of the subject of the painting, would anyone who didn't read the comments in SG #66 know that it's supposedly Angelique in contemporary modern clothes?! The dialogue on the page makes it pretty clear that Roger is speaking to the painting as if it is Laura, not Angelique, so why would anyone jump to the conclusion that it is Angelique?! And what is it about what the woman in the portrait is wearing that screams contemporary modern clothes and only contemporary modern? And to complicate things further, in Book 1, Issue 2 we did see that Roger has painted both portraits of Laura (naked) and portraits of Angelique (dressed in 18th century clothes).
Although, if we're simply following what's been presented in the comics, in Book 1, Issue 3 we've seen that Roger has seemingly been tormented by Angelique. But that only makes things more confusing because there's been absolutely no explanation for it. Though perhaps they deliberately planned to keep people in the dark until an explanation might have come in Book 4, which was to focus on Laura and Angelique. And, of course, when it comes to Laura and Angelique we have no idea what was planned for Book 3, Issues 2 through 4 as SG #62 claimed Book 3 would have "significantly more background" on Roger's marriage to Laura. But alas...
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That portrait doesn't look much like Lysette Anthony to me. Is Roger supposed to be a bad artist?
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I always have to laugh whenever a fully dressed character (and not just a DS character) questions why someone else is -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0221ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 15 - Liz: 'VICTORIA? WHAT
ARE YOU DOING UP, CHILD? IT'S PAST MIDNIGHT.'
- still up at a late hour. The askee could easily turn the tables on the asker to question why they're also up, though they rarely do...
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That portrait doesn't look much like Lysette Anthony to me. Is Roger supposed to be a bad artist?
[lghy] But yes, Filipe Echevarria's style certainly doesn't capture Lysette the way E. Silas Smith's did:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page10_1-4.jpg)
Part of me does certainly wonder why they picked Filipe Echevarria to do the art for Book 3. I know they said it was because his 'ethereal "looking-through-gauze" style of art would suit Book 3's 'mood' - but I don't know - could he have blackmailed his way onto the project? [b003] They also admitted that some of us might think it was more abstract than appropriate for DS, but they thought for sure it would grow on us. Maybe if we got all four issues. But I don't know. Some of the panels look like they're filtered though a lot more than gauze. I mean, just look at what I posted in the previous post - if it wasn't for the dialogue, we wouldn't know who the hell the characters being depicted are!!
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Perhaps he thought that this would be a way to break into the potentially more lucrative American market. I also have a suspicion that Innovation's financial troubles were known to the industry before the general public and this was the best that was available.
Changing artists for every story wasn't as common then as it became later and probably did the book some harm.
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I know you defended Echevarria previously MB, saying this was his style...but that doesn't mean it was any good. I looked up his work resume and he was pretty much a flop as a comic artist. This issue was the last work he did in comics. (He did a couple of graphic novels that have yet to be published ...wonder why?) then went into painting art. His style might look better as a painting but it sure didn't work in comics. Everything he drew looked like a eye chart for a quack optometrist trying to sell patients glasses. I was a subscriber to the comics originally and admire the thought and effort you put in for analysis MB, but truthfully the artwork is so horrible, I couldn't and can't even follow the story. In this case, a one and done issue was deserved.
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I don't know much about Filipe Echevarria but I do remember that back in the day at some point not all that long after Book 3, Issue 1 came out I did a bit of research on him and apparently he'd received quite a bit of accolades over his 3 comic book treatment of Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. He used the same style for that as he used for Book 3 here, and the essay on the inside front cover of this issue alludes to that. Apparently there are fans of his style in the comic universe, it's just that, unlike what Innovation hoped, perhaps there aren't many in DS fandom. [wink2] Although, I do have to say that when he does the characters/actors in close-up, I think for the most part he captures them quite well (there's a great version of Vicki/Joanna Going coming up on the 25th). On the other hand, today I came across this opinion of Book 3 on codelphia.com: "Disjointed storytelling and drab, murky artwork hindered this new, third Dark Shadows storyline, which never was continued. On 31 December 1993, a bankrupt Innovation Comics abruptly went out of business." "Murky artwork" is a perfect description for what I posted in reply #70.
As for the possibility of not being able to get anyone else to work on the DS comics, as the essay also mentions, Hector Gomez, who did the front covers for Book 2, did the front cover for this issue and was supposed to continue to do covers for the rest of Book 3 as well as Book 4 (we'll be sharing some of his Books 3 and 4 cover artwork after this Issue 1 wraps up) and Jose Pimentel did the back cover head portraits for this issue and was supposed to continue to do them for the rest of Book 3 as well as return as the interior artist for Book 4. I like Pimentel's work for Book 2, so I'm really disappointed that we'll never see what he might have done with Book 4...
And while we're on the subject of the comics' artwork, there's an oddly identified piece of it on the front cover of SG #65:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_65_1_2.jpg)
Quite obviously it's not at all done in Filipe Echevarria's style - it looks much more like something Hector Gomez or Jose Pimentel might have done. And actually, it places Barnabas in the same setting that Pimentel had him on Page 18 of Book 2's Issue 1. Perhaps Pimentel did it as preliminary work for that page but later rejected it? (We actually saw how he made changes to Book 2, Issue 1's Page 8 between the time that page was shared with SG and the time it was actually published, including completely replacing the last panel.) It definitely doesn't appear anywhere in Book 2 - or any other book for that matter. And being so different from the art in Book 3, I can't see how SG identified it as such. Though it may not have been SG's fault IF it was identified that way to them and they were simply reporting what they were told...
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And a last batch of '92 LA Fest photos, this time from the Dark Shadows Festival Memory Book 1983-1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_81.jpg)
Next time: '93 NYC Fest...
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Oops - if you're not seeing this graphic on the BoardIndex page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0225ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 15 - Vicki: 'I'M CONCERNED,
MRS. STODDARD. I CARE ABOUT DAVID VERY MUCH, AND
HIS BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS SEEM TO HAVE SOME DEEPER
ROOT...AN EARLY CHILDHOOD TRAUMA, PERHAPS?'
- you need to clear your browser's cache. Even though I did upload the correct quote, apparently I forgot to upload the correct graphic for today. I didn't realize that until a few minutes ago...
This also happens to be the Vicki/Joanna Going graphic I was referring to in reply #74...
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Here's some of what SG #66 from October 1993 wrote/shared with regard to the '93 NYC Fest:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_3_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_3_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_2_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_2_3.jpg)
Much more to come...
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I didn't actually read the Jersey Shore article until a few minutes ago. I find it interesting that the article states 'The event celebrates the upcoming production of a new "Dark Shadows" feature film' as if the film had been a certainty. The truth of the matter was exactly the opposite as SG reported that its status was "uncertain." But I'm sure we all know where the information in the article came from, or more specifically, whom it came from, so is anyone really surprised by the, shall we say, overly rosy version of the circumstances surrounding the potential film? No? I didn't think so...
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And here's the fifteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that the first panel and its dialogue were skipped in the slideshow...
And now we've seen the last of Liz and Vicki in Issue 1...
And speaking of the two of them, Liz' attitude to speaking about Laura would seem to conflict with the '91 Series because she was open to discuss her on the show...
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Two more '93 NYC Fest photos from SG #66:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_17_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_18_1.jpg)
And much more to come...
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And here's the second page (twenty-sixth page) of the letters column:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that the first column on this page features the first panel from Page 4, the center column features the fourth panel from that page, and the third column features the second panel from the same page, all without the dialogue bubbles written over them...
It's interesting that the potential film is seemingly being thought of here as a go even though no such info was ever given...
And little did Scott Rockwell know that Hermes Press would indeed be reprinting the Paperback Library novels. Though he certainly wouldn't have been able to see more than 25 years into the future...
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(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0302ds91_1.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 16 - Sarah: 'I AM SORRY,
DAVID, BUT I WANTED TO TELL YOU NOT TO BE AFRAID OF
HER. SHE CAN'T HURT YOU HERE.'
It's very interesting that the comic has Sarah saying this to David with reference to his mother. Maybe it could be true that David's mother can't hurt him, but she sure as hell can hurt others - and she can do it through David. Or are we suppose to forget how David nearly killed Roger in Hour 5/Episode 4 (not to mention how on the show Liz makes reference to David having been barred from the town school because he started a terrible fire and almost burned the place down)?
It actually makes one wonder if they were going to recreate those scenes from the show for the comic? But, of course, we'll never know at this point...
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And here's the sixteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the dialogue that was skipped in the slideshow...
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The only way that Sarah's last words to David make any sense to me would be if that had been a false manifestation of Sarah. Could it have been Laura or Angelique impersonating Sarah to gain David's confidence for some sinister reason? It would have been a great plot twist, though I don't know if the Innovation writers would have come up with an angle like that.
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As what transpires on Page 17 unfolds it will become more clear as to whether or not it's the real Sarah...
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Another batch of '93 NYC Fest photos from SG #66:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_18_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_21_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_21_1.jpg)
And still much more to come...
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"Sarah" (if it really is Sarah) has dialogue today that makes her sound like a New Age guru.
Again, I'm glad this "book" is coming to an end soon.
G.
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What we'll see is that what she says in today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0305ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 17 - Sarah: '...I DON'T EXPECT
YOU TO UNDERSTAND, BUT I KNOW THINGS, I CAN, SEE
THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT. I WALK A TURNING PATH
BETWEEN TIMES AND THROUGH TIMES, AND I SEE WHAT IS
AND WHAT MAY BE. IN NONE OF THE TURNS ON MY PATH
DO I SEE YOU COME TO HARM.'
- plays into how this issue will end. But more on that then...
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Ditto for me also G. For me, it's the artwork. It's just plain horrendous. I can't tell whether it's Victoria or Dr. Hoffman anymore, so how can I follow the story. And what's with the shot MB used in the index. It looks like some sort of weird glamour shot of KLS sprayed with that fake snow stuff stores use for their Christmas Windows Good golly eeeesh!
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Because this was to be a ghost story, I do think the choice of Felipe Echevarria's "ethereal" and "abstract" style was an interesting one because, as the opening essay states, the intent is for Book 3 to be "a haunting mood piece." The problem is it doesn't always work. Though with that being said, I do think that when the artwork is presented with its dialogue in context with the other artwork and dialogue around it, meaning on the page it's presented on in its totality and not taken out of context as one graphic in the slideshow, it's much easier to understand who is being depicted, what they're saying, and what's taking place.
Innovation freely admitted in the opening essay that Book 3 is a departure from what readers of these comics had come to expect. But they obviously didn't realize their hope that the style of artwork they'd chosen would grow on readers wouldn't fully pan out.
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Wow MB, we aren't anywhere in the same universe on this. The only thing haunting about this issue is how hauntingly bad the artwork is. You said it doesn't always work...name some examples where it does. Abstract is one thing but visually illegible is something else. Nobody buys a comic that is blurry, fuzzy and all around unreadable. I expected Innovation to defend Echevarria because they were the only ones to hire him ..either before or after this issue. This was the last comic he drew - could you see him drawing Batman in this style? Fans would revolt.
And I'm sorry... even what you can see, that drawing is KLS, not Sarah. And frame 4 on the full page is Barbara Steele, not Joanna Going. Then if you want to talk dialog, Gothick is right... Sarah DOES sound like some guru. The comics started off so brilliantly but was already going off the rails with Barrettstown and this issue just ended things with a huge train wreck. Gotta hand it to Innovation though...what a perfect slogan for their going out of business sale... we departed from what readers of these comics had come to expect. LOL.
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Innovation scored an early success with their adaptation of one of the Anne Rice novels which featured painted artwork, rather than the traditional pen and ink work. They seemed to adopt it as their house style, whether it fit the material or not. Yes, you can do things with the art to convey mood and atmosphere but you also need to give the readers something a little more traditional at some point.
DC Comics Vertigo line managed to tell interesting, provocative stories in titles like Swamp Thing, Sandman and Hellblazer, with much better artwork. I bought the Vertigo books because they were quality material. I bought the DS comic simply because it was a Dark Shadows book. I honestly don't know if I would have continued reading the book if Innovation had not imploded.
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Wow MB, we aren't anywhere in the same universe on this. The only thing haunting about this issue is how hauntingly bad the artwork is. You said it doesn't always work...name some examples where it does.
Well, I really like how the funeral is depicted on Pages 1 and 2. I think Pages 8 and 9 depict the cold associated with Barnabas and Vicki's walk really well - from their breath escaping from their mouths to the way Vicki's hair blows in the wind, it all makes me want to put on a coat. [wink2] I also like all the pages (Pages 6, 7, 10, 11, 12 and 13) that deal with Granny Whitlock. And even though the '91 Series never did it that way, I like how the ghosts of Robin and Sarah are depicted as shimmering.
Though given all that, as I said in reply #74, I'm not a fan of the second panel on Page 15. It's a perfect example of what codelphia.com described as "murky artwork" in this issue...
Abstract is one thing but visually illegible is something else.
Exactly.
The comics started off so brilliantly but was already going off the rails with Barrettstown
An interesting thing to remember is that David Campiti was responsible for Barrettstown - and it's definitely where Book 1 went off the rails. However, the aspects of that issue that dealt with Barnabas all came from Scott Rockwell. And what's even more interesting is that Barrettstown, which was decidedly not DS-like, came from the one of them who claims to be a huge, life long DS fan, yet the Barnabas material, which is decidedly very DS like and some of the best stuff in Book 1, came from the one of them who didn't become a DS fan until he was asked to work on the comic. And the latter point is one of the reasons I had high hopes for what Book 3 might have turned out to be had it been allowed to continue past Issue 1. But...
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Say what you will about the dialogue, but today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0306ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 17 - Sarah: 'DON'T TRY TO
UNDERSTAND, JUST TRUST ME, DAVID.'
- is decidedly classic DS. If someone doesn't comprehend something, the thing to do is tell them they shouldn't even try to understand! [lghy]
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That depiction of David doesn't look very much like Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
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[pointing-up] I was going to hold off mentioning that myself until I post Page 17, but you are definitely right. Felipe Echevarria doesn't even make an attempt to have David look like J G-L, which is very odd, especially given how E. Silas Smith and Jose Pimentel pretty much nailed him as well as the other actors! But apparently to Echevarria's mind, abstract meant that some characters wouldn't even look like themselves. ::) As we mentioned before, Lysette Anthony is another example...
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I never saw the Trilogy of Terror sequel when it first came out but I just saw a clip from it today. A character is shown reading an issue of the Innovation comic!
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I think this is one you could put under a Complete this Phrase game board MB.
The artist was attempting to draw Joseph Gordon Levitt, but he actually drew...
Myself, I'm pretty well stumped but maybe I would say Roseanne Barr.
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The example in reply #94 is definitely more Roseanne than Joseph!! [snow_cheesy] [snow_rolleyes]
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I never saw the Trilogy of Terror sequel when it first came out but I just saw a clip from it today. A character is shown reading an issue of the Innovation comic!
I still haven't seen the sequel - that's a hoot!! [snow_silly]
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Here's the seventeenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the dialogue and the panels that didn't appear in the slideshow...
This page is the last we see of David in the issue...
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Now we shift to '93 NYC Fest photos from the Dark Shadows Festival Memory Book 1983-1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_65.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_67.jpg)
And excerpts regarding the '93 NYC Fest from Jeff Thompson's A HISTORY OF THE EAST COAST DARK SHADOWS FESTIVALS 1983-1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_98_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_98_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_98_3.jpg)
More '93 NYC Fest photos from the Dark Shadows Festival Memory Book 1983-1993 to come...
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I am especially enjoying these pictures from the festival. Due to a change in work status, I wasn't able to attend that year. [snow_cry] [snow_cry] [snow_cry]
The Millicent dress currently is owned by my friend Helen. She wears it occasionally at Halloween.
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I am especially enjoying these pictures from the festival. Due to a change in work status, I wasn't able to attend that year. [snow_cry] [snow_cry] [snow_cry]
I'm sorry that you missed out in '93, but I'm glad what I'm sharing is giving you a glimpse of what you missed. [snow_smiley]
The Millicent dress currently is owned by my friend Helen. She wears it occasionally at Halloween.
What a great way for her to get use out of it!! [snow_wink]
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Another '93 NYC Fest photo from the Dark Shadows Festival Memory Book 1983-1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_83.jpg)
And yet more '93 NYC Fest photos from the Dark Shadows Festival Memory Book 1983-1993 to come...
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The depiction of Barnabas in yesterday's graphic -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0311ds91_0.jpg)
- is fairly detailed, well, detailed for Felipe Echevarria's style. So why is Willie, who appears in the same panel -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0312ds91_0.jpg)
- so abstract? And so abstract after he was depicted with more detail in -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0310ds91_0.jpg)
- Tuesday's graphic?
I know, ours is not to ask such questions because there are no answers...
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And here's the eighteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And once again note the dialogue and the panel that didn't appear in the slideshow...
And even if I didn't know Scott Rockwell had written this issue, this page would have been a dead giveaway because it's so much like what he did with Barnabas for Book 1. Though he definitely takes Willie's humor in a whole new direction. Though I can't say I absolutely can't see where they might have had Willie make the same remark on the actual '91 Series...
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This scene is like a trial run for the Burton/Depp movie. Except that Barnabas isn't wearing clown makeup.
G.
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I can easily imagine that today's quote from Page 19 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0313ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 19 - Barnabas: 'PLEASE,
WILLIE, CERTAIN SUBJECTS STILL MAKE ME
UNCOMFORTABLE. I'VE ASKED YOU BEFORE TO REFRAIN
FROM MENTIONING THEM.'
- could have also been a part of the Depp/DS film.
As for the '91 Series' Willie, he was often used on the show as a humorous counterpoint to all the, as DC often put it, "biting, ripping and tearing" - and it was DC's specific intention that it be that way...
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And two final '93 NYC Fest photos from the Dark Shadows Festival Memory Book 1983-1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/DSFMB_87.jpg)
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While I was unable to attend this particular festival, I was able to meet Roy Thinnes, Jim Fyfe and Barbara Blackburn at other events. They were all very gracious and easy to talk to. I especially liked Barbara who told me that she would have loved to appear at other festivals but she was no longer invited. Guess who strikes again.
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Here's the nineteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And note the bits of dialogue and the section of the top panel that didn't appear in the slideshow...
And one thing that continues to be really fascinating is how Felipe Echevarria decides who and how to add details to faces. With the bottom left panel as an example, why is Julia in more detail than several other faces at a similar perspective or even closer have been? [snow_huh]
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I just realized that in these two instances -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0317ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 19 - Julia: 'IT'S HARD TO SAY,
BARNABAS. I'VE BEEN TAKING SAMPLES OF YOUR BLOOD
ON A WEEKLY BASIS TO ANALYSE, AND THE ABBERANT
CELLS ARE STILL APPARENT.' Julia: 'I'D SAY THAT WE
WON'T HAVE A CURE UNTIL THE ABBERANT CELLS ARE
ENTIRELY ERADICATED.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0319ds91_0.jpg)
Book Three/Issue One/Page 20 - Julia: 'PLEASE TRY TO
UNDERSTAND, BARNABAS. I CAN'T CONSIDER YOU "CURED"
UNTIL THE ABBERANT CELLS ARE GONE. I'VE REDUCED THE
FREQUENCY OF THE TREATMENTS OVER THE PAST FEW
WEEKS ... WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.'
- the comic spelled aberrant incorrectly (with two b's instead of two r's). But then, this isn't the first time something has been misspelled in these Innovation comics...
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And here's the third page (twenty-seventh page) of the letters column:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page27.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page27.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that the first column on this page features the second panel from Page 14, the center column features the third panel from that page, and the third column features the fourth panel from the same page, all without the dialogue bubbles written over them...
Sadly, we never got to Issue 4 of this book because it would have been quite interesting to see how it would have gone beyond the '91 Series. And the fact that Scott Rockwell says that issue would have gone beyond the show would seem to possibly confirm a theory about the missing issues of Book 3 that occurred to me a couple weeks ago. But I'll hold off getting into it until after I post Page 24...
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Besides the two posters that were sold to the public, there were also versions of the posters that comics shops could display to promote the DS Innovation comics. Here's a copy of the first promo poster:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Promo poster_1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Promo poster_1.jpg) for a 1811X3000 version)
(Seeing E. Silas Smith's beautiful artwork makes one happy that Felipe Echevarria wasn't picked to do the first book. Can you even imagine what promo posters done by him might have looked like if he'd drawn images that were more abstract and "looking-through-gauze" than detailed?!)
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Here's a copy of the second promo poster:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Promo poster_2.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Promo poster_2.jpg) for a 1804X3000 version)
Notice how the tag line "A Love Story Beyond Time" was added to this second promo poster and a description of the series was also added...
It's interesting how the "A Love Story Beyond Time" concept is front and center in Book 1 because it's been much less of a focus in Books 2 and 3. Well, what we got of Book 3. Though, as I've said, I do really like how Book 2 is so focused on Willie. We'll never know how the focus on Sarah in Book 3 might have turned out...
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And here's the fourth page (twenty-eighth page) and last page of the letters column in this issue and the series as a whole:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page28.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page28.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that the first column on this page features the third top panel from Page 11, the center column features the center top panel from that page, and the third column features the third bottom panel from the same page, all without the dialogue bubbles written over them...
Also notice how this is the only time the last page in the letters column hasn't featured a preview of the next issue. One might see that as an indication that when the issue went to press they knew there wasn't going to be a Book 3, Issue 2 - but one might be wrong. And possible evidence of that will come when I post an upcoming page in the issue...
And considering Scott Rockwell mentions how Maggie was to be featured more prominently in Issues 2 & 3 of Book 3, that would also seem to be evidence that they may not have known Issue 1 would be the series' last. It also makes me very sad that we never got Issues 2 & 3...
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I didn't realize until just a few minutes ago that back on the 24th I completely forgot to post the twentieth page, so here it is -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And once again this is a page where all the dialogue and all the panels made it into the slideshow...
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What a gawd awful drawing of Barbara Steele. Looks more like Lebeau from Hogan's Heroes as a commando.
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What a gawd awful drawing of Barbara Steele.
If you're referring to that last panel, I agree - though I think the second panel isn't bad...
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And here's the twenty-first page earlier than I would normally post it. (Does that make up for the lateness of Page 20? ;)) And the reason I need to post it early will become obvious later tonight...
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And here's another page where all the dialogue and all the panels made it into the slideshow...
And speaking of that dialogue, does it seem like dialogue that would have taken place between Barnabas and Julia "right before the 1790 flashback, around the time of Episodes 6 and 7." No, of course it doesn't! At that point in the '91 Series Julia's treatment of Barnabas had already blown up and ended with Barnabas aging and attacking Carolyn and with Barnabas and Julia at odds with one another.
However, as much as I've railed about how Book 3's storyline, at least in Issue 1, makes no sense with the timeline David Campiti said it would take place in and that it fit in more appropriately with a similar timeline to Books 1 and 2, I think I may have figured out why that is. It has something to do with the theory I teased in reply #114. But as I said in that post, I prefer to go into it after I've posted Page 24...
One thing that is interesting about Barnabas and Julia's discussion here, though, is that it sets the stage for what would seem to have been the intended theme for Book 3's storyline and for how this particular issue ends...
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I was referring to the drawing in the middle of page 20. She looks more like she is going out to blow up a bridge or something. And what's with the drawing of Barnabas in the top right corner of page 21. Seriously? He looks more like Robert DeNiro as a young Vito Corleone in Godfather 2. This guy should have had his artist license revoked. When the art is this bad, I can't follow the storyline...period.
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And the reason I need to post it early will become obvious later tonight...
And here's the dialogue-free twenty-second page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And just in case you don't recall who these characters are (we haven't seen them since Page 2) they're Robin's (the young girl ghost) parents...
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Now his drawing of Sarah on page 23 looks like Joan Crawford in a snowstorm. Wow.
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Though when you find out where they are, it's sort of effective. At least none of us have been there (at least I wouldn't assume so) so we don't know what it might actually look like, if it actually does exist...
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And here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the dialogue free panels...
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LOL. Yes, Sarah looks very Mommie Dearest there. "Tina! Bring me the ax!"
G.
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Thanks G,... that gave me a laugh on a really grim news day.
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(I haven't had the news on yet today, but with you living in Florida, patrick, I can just imagine what might be happening...)
What a shame all of Felipe Echevarria's art work has been posted from this issue - nothing new for anyone to look forward to making fun of. [b003]
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Hey MB, TY for your concern. South Florida seems to be getting it the worst. Here in central Florida, we are getting along ok. We had a club meeting planned for April 25 but that obviously had to be postponed indefinitely. I sent an email blast to like 30 club members but other than an economic hit to several (including me) and a couple of unrelated surgeries, nobody has gotten sick from the virus. I was thinking more of NYC and now La and Ga. It seems to be spiralling out of hand in certain places. As far as you having posted all of his artwork, I still think you should create a separate Caption This board just for him. That really would be "comic" relief. LOL.
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I see Sarah the New Age Guru is back in today's installment. Perhaps she went to work for Dionne Warwick's Psychic Friends after the book folded.
Patrick, hope you and your friends can stay safe, healthy and solvent. Grim times indeed.
All the best, Gothick
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I see Sarah the New Age Guru is back in today's installment. Perhaps she went to work for Dionne Warwick's Psychic Friends after the book folded.
[stfl]
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And here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
I'll post my theory at a later time when I have more time. (I'm still working on aspects of the new slideshow - and once you figure out the theme or I reveal what it is, you won't be at all surprised that I'm still working on it . [b003] But I'm having fun, and that's all that counts. And once the theme is revealed, I have a feeling you'll be [6184] for not immediately figuring it out upon seeing just today's first entry...)
What I will say now, though, is that I strongly suspect that Sarah the New Age Guru, or at least what she's saying, would have turned out to be very important to Book 3...
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Let me take a guess. Sarah was only posing as a London Bridges singer reject from Kids Got Talent. She was in fact a paranormal private investigator like a ghostly Mannix solving murders and bringing closure from the great beyond.
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Let me take a guess. Sarah was only posing as a London Bridges singer reject from Kids Got Talent. She was in fact a paranormal private investigator like a ghostly Mannix solving murders and bringing closure from the great beyond.
Maybe. [lghy] But that's not my theory...
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There isn't much more to share from this issue. Page 29 is Innovation's usual ad for their Anne Rice's The Queen of the Damned and Anne Rice's Interview with the Vampire comics. And Page 30 is their usual ad for their Quantum Leap comic. But Page 31 is unusual given what happened very soon after this issue mailed:
And here's the thirty-first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page31.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page31.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Who knows what that ad might have been heralding? We'll never know. But as I said when I posted the last page of the letters column, the fact that there is no preview for Book 3, Issue 2 on the letters column's last page, as had been normal practice, may not have meant that there is no preview because they knew they were going out of business - not when a few pages later there's an ad like that. Or maybe they were just hopeful that some miracle would happen and they wouldn't go out of business so they still included Page 31's ad in the issue. Another thing we'll never know...
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And now we'll be getting to the last to share from this issue. Page 32 is an Innovation ad for something that supposedly was going to be "beginning next month": a two part mini-series entitled Lost In Space: Project Robinson. Apparently according to the ad, Part 1 was to feature the early life of Dr. Maureen Robinson, and Part 2 was to feature the early life of Professor John Robinson. Who knows if either ever came out? And while the inside back cover had always featured promotions for DS merchandise and the addresses for ShadowGram and the Fest, the back inside cover of this issue is a ballot to fill out for the Comic Buyer's Guide 1993 Fan Awards. (And yes, Favorite Painter is one of the categories - what a shame Gothick and patrickm probably never got the chance to vote for Felipe Echevarria! [b003]) Which brings us to the back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_BackCover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version) (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And one does have to wonder if it was really such a good idea to have Jose Pimentel draw the back cover head portraits. Doesn't his excellent depictions of the characters only call more attention to Felipe Echevarria's often, um, unique take on the characters? But I suppose we're not supposed to go there...
And don't think for a second that this will be the last post in this topic or even the last topic on the Innovation DS comics. No, no, no. There's still more material regarding Book 3, including images that were never released (though none were done by Felipe Echevarria, and I know how extremely disappointing that must be to learn [sad7]). And there's material regarding completely unreleased Book 4, including images that were never released. And when I dug out SG #67 today to scan, I discovered more '93 NYC Fest photos...
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I do have a little inside info about the 2 Innovation Dark Shadows posters I might post.
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I do remember reading the Maureen Robinson issue. I thought that it was well done. I don't remember if I read the John Robinson issue or not. But I recall reading an issue that gave the back story of Judy Robinson. Judy was the most underdeveloped character on the show. I was amused to see that she had given up a promising career in musical theater to join her family on the Jupiter 2. Judy had apparently appeared in a production of Cats.
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Who knows what that ad might have been heralding? We'll never know. But as I said when I posted the last page of the letters column, the fact that there is no preview for Book 3, Issue 2 on the letters column's last page, as had been normal practice, may not have meant that there is no preview because they knew they were going out of business - not when a few pages later there's an ad like that. Or maybe they were just hopeful that some miracle would happen and they wouldn't go out of business so they still included Page 31's ad in the issue. Another thing we'll never know...
Perhaps what the kids see coming is the demise of Innovation...
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When I made this post -
Here's the seventh page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
...
- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Comiclopedia_Book3_Issue1_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Comiclopedia_Book3_Issue1_Page7.jpg) for a 1070X1075 version)
- without the dialogue bubbles...
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Now that the "Everyone In Collinsport's Favorite Word Slideshow" is in full swing I can finally get back to finishing this topic. Nothing like a 3 month hiatus. [ghost_wink] But as it turns out perhaps my theory of how Book3_Issue 1 most certainly seems to be set around the same time period that Books 1 & 2 are set isn't a valid theory after all - not after reading what I plan to post after this post. However, just for the sake of actually posting the theory, it hit me after Sarah's remark to David on Page 17 about the turning path -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Issue1_Page17_2.jpg)
- and then how the issue concludes with Sarah telling Robin that they're on the turning path and she's going to show Robin some things, that perhaps Sarah can travel through time on the turning path. If so, the reason David Campiti kept insisting that Book 3 takes place right before 1790, around the time of eps 6 & 7 could be in Issues 2 through 4 of Book 3 Sarah travels via the turning path to that time and that's how Book 3 takes place at that later time in the '91 Series. It seemed like that might have been reinforced by how Campiti also remarked that Book 3 explores Sarah's world. But as logical an assumption as all that may seem, a remark from what I'm going to post from SG #67 definitely seems to shoot it down. So who knows...
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Here's what SG #67 from January 1994 had to share about Innovation:
From the issue's editorial:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_1_3.jpg)
And from inside the issue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_3_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_3_2.jpg)
Certainly interesting from the standpoint of Innovation's closure. But again, Campiti makes a bizarre remark: 'Innovation released Book 3/#1, first in the "A Motion & A Spirit" ghost story about Sarah Collins. By Scott Rockwell with Felipe Echevarria's art, it's placed shortly before Victoria's time travel episodes begin.' Uh, no, clearly Book 3_Issue 1 is not placed in that time frame! And since my theory was simply trying to offer that Book 3 might have jumped to that later time period in subsequent issues, it in no way reconciles how Campiti claims that Issue 1 is already taking place then. But I throw my hands into the air and give up! Clearly there's no way to reconcile Campiti's remarks with the reality of what takes place in Issue 1.
And while it's probably not the least bit surprising given how many delays the comics experienced, it's fascinating nonetheless that Scott Rockwell hadn't even completed all of the scripts for Book 3!
But from here on we'll move on to more pleasant things, like unused art work, more Fest photos, and some other stuff...
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And here's the first far more interesting thing: artwork for the cover of an upcoming issue of Book 3 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/Book3_Cover.jpg) for a 2494X3000 version)
- though it wasn't specified which issue...
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Here's what SG #67 had to say about DC's proposed movie based on the '91 DS Series. As I said before, even though nothing ever came of the project, it's still fun to read how it progressed and how it was publicized -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_1_1.jpg)
- though this isn't all that different from what was said in SG #66 back in October of 1993 (See reply #15).
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Has this script ever surfaced?
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Not that I'm aware of, though I would love to read it! Somewhere along the way we learned that Barbara Steele co-wrote it and she teased that she made sure that quite a few new twists and turns were added. But alas...
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I guess that KLS never got ahold of it!
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Updates from SG #67 about the AKI models and the Abbelare watches with some interesting info regarding each:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_3_4.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_4_1.jpg)
I wonder how many fans were actually willing to pay nearly double the price to get their models already assembled and painted? It will be interesting to see if there's any indications in SG #68 of how that deal went over.
And it's interesting that QVC offered the watches but didn't showcase them or use the info Marcy provided. And one has to wonder what the hell QVC was thinking to offer them during a section on Milton Berle videos?! Sure, the watches and the videos are both TV related, but they're so far removed from each other as to be a ridiculous pairing!!
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Two '93 NYC Fest photos from SG #67:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_2_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_18_1.jpg)
And in case you wonder what Thinnes is holding, it's a copy of Kathleen Resch's SHADOWS IN THE '90s: The Dark Shadows Concordance 1991, an excellent source on the '91 Series.
And more to come...
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An update from SG #67 regarding MPI's VHS tapes related to the '91 Series:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_5_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_5_2.jpg)
It's a good thing they didn't provide any release info regarding the DS Resurrected tape because, as has been mentioned before, despite it already being completed in 1994, it would be years before it actually came out. [ghost_sad]
But I've been holding back on sharing this MPI ad which announced the release of the '91 DS on VHS so that there would at least be something of interest in the post when I shared the above. The ad was shared in SG #61 from back in August of 1992:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_61_1_1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_61_1_1.jpg) for a 1298X1705 version)
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I'm made reference to this card set a few times on the forum but I've never shared any of the publicity about it. But I'm sharing this from SG #67 because it makes an announcement about possible '91 Series merchandise:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_4_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_4_4.jpg)
And here's a promotion from Imagine that SG #67 shared:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_4_3.jpg)
I'm sure you've seen the portrait hanging on a wall in photos on other DS Web sites or in merchandise deal offers (not all that long ago it popped up in the photo of an offer I'd linked to - though I don't remember which offer it was).
The original DS sets were quite nice when they came out because they included several rare photos. Though many of them are not so rare anymore because they've since been shared elsewhere. And as a bit of trivia about these sets, it will no doubt come as no surprise to anyone that they were supposed to come out in May of 1993, and then July, but they were actually released closer to October. But delays like that are just par for the course for almost all DS merchandise. We've learned to expect and live with by now...
As for the potential '91 Series set, the saga will continue in SG #68...
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Before I post what I think will be the last two photos from the '93 NYC Fest, a bit of business related to the photo I posted of Roy Thinnes back in reply #150. I mentioned that he's holding a copy of Kathleen Resch's SHADOWS IN THE '90s: The Dark Shadows Concordance 1991. Well, here's what SG #65 from July 1993 had to say about that book:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_65_5_6.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_65_5_7.jpg)
However, SG #66 from October 1993 had an update in its listing:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_66_6_1.jpg)
But SG #67 from January 1994 had no prices listed for any of Kathleen Resch's books. Instead at the top of the listing of her books it said to send a SASE for info. It would be interesting to know if the '91 Series book is even still in print nowadays...
And now with all that out of the way, here are two more '93 NYC Fest photos from SG #67:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_20_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book3quoteimages/SG_67_20_2.jpg)
I have no idea why someone often seemed to love to trim photos with Barbara Blackburn in them. Who knows if it was Marcy or the person who sent them to her. But it's odd if you ask me.
And this post closes out what I've wanted to share about Book 3 and the things in SG that were going on when it came out. So, unless something I've forgotten about or something new shows up, This is probably it for stuff regarding Book 3. But fear not, this is not the end for Innovation for there is stuff to post regarding the ill-fated Book 4. And I'll start a topic for that once I've formatted some stuff to post...
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I am really enjoying these festival pictures. I had switched jobs (not my idea) and had no vacation time that I could use. I couldn't rationalize going away for a weekend without pay, so I stayed home. I was disappointed that I didn't get to meet the 1991 cast members, though I have since met all three. I was particularly impressed with Barbara Blackburn.
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I think I may have mentioned this before but I really liked Barbara Blackburn when she played Siobhan Ryan on Ryan's Hope so I was thrilled when I read she'd been cast as Carolyn.
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I've just been going through SG issues to make sure I haven't missed scanning anything regarding Book 4 and I came across something I'd completely forgotten about. In SG #58 from November 1991 it was reported that Book 3 (though referred to as Issues #9-12 because the comics hadn't been designated into books yet) was "tentatively scheduled" to be written by Andy Mangels, who was already working for Innovation writing the Child's Play and Nightmare on Elm Street comics. Well, apparently that idea fell through for whatever reason. Though it's just as well for Mangels because only Book 3, Issue 1 (Issue #9) was ever released...