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Midnite and I have decided to move forward in 2019 with Book 2 of Innovation's '91 DS comic series. And with that in mind, here's some artwork for a potential cover for Book 2, Issue 1 that SG #62 shared in October 1992:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_5_1.jpg)
As you'll see, a certain theme was kept but the actual cover is different...
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And here's part of what SG #62 had to share about the opening plot for Book 2, Issue 1 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_5_4r.jpg)
- though as you can see I've redacted small parts of it, and that is because it gives away too much too soon and I'd prefer that the redacted elements unfold in the comic...
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As you may recall, Book 1, Issue 3 included a scene that foreshadowed the neighbors of Book 2's "hobby":
Regarding today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0725ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 9 - Roger's voice: 'WHY DO
YOU BOTHER SEEING THOSE TWO OLD BATS, MAGGIE?'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0725ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 9 - Maggie's voice: 'I JUST
GAVE TAROT READINGS FOR BOTH OF THEM, ROGER.'
Maggie's voice: 'THEY GAVE ME THIS IN RETURN. ONE
OF THEIR STONE SCULPTURES.'
- much of Page 9 of Book 1, Issue 3 lays the foundation for Book 2's storyline. And if you remember that storyline, there's a lot more to what's presented than might appear at first...
Though one does have to wonder why Roger refers to them as "TWO OLD BATS" because, well, we'll see why once they show up. But that's not even the only instance when he refers to them as old. He also did so in July 26's first quote:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0726ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 9 - Roger: 'TALENTED
OLD NEIGHBORS WE HAVE. ODD, BUT TALENTED.'
And in addition to foreshadowing their "hobby", the scene also foreshadowed:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0728ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 9 - Maggie: '...BUT I SAW
A STRANGER IN THEIR FUTURE.'
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Here's the front cover of Book Two/Issue One -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
This time around the covers are drawn by one artist, Hector Gomez, and the story is drawn by another artist, Jose Pimentel...
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And here's the inside cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And don't be fooled by Maggie Thompson's signature and think that Book 2, Issue 1 came out in January 1993 because it didn't actually come out until April...
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SG #63 from January of 1993 shared this publicity from Innovation:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_4_3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_4_3.jpg) for a 814X738 version)
SG shrunk things so much that even in SG one can barely read what the ad says. But using a magnifying glass I was able to figure out:
' Here it is: Book Two of the beloved Dark Shadows saga. It's all-new four
part story tells the tale of a young stranger Nathan, who is curse with
the ability to read the minds of those he touches -- and he has just (spoiler)
(spoiler) What does he learn of (spoiler)
(spoiler)... and the serets of Collinwood's (spoiler)?
In full color, Dark Shadows Book Two #1, "Lost In Thought," is written by
Comic Buyer's Guide luminary Maggie Thompson, edited by David Campiti and
Scott Rockwell, and magnificently painted by Jose Pimentel. Elegant cover
painting by Hector Gomez!'
You might decipher the spoilers yourself - but that's up to you.
And I had to laugh when I read that the issue was shipping February 22nd to be in stores March 8th. Subscriber copies didn't even mail until April 11th. After I dig out SG #64, it'll be interesting to see if Innovation explained the delay. But then, delays were just par for the course with the series...
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And I had to laugh when I read that the issue was shipping February 22nd to be in stores March 8th. Subscriber copies didn't even mail until April 11th. After I dig out SG #64, it'll be interesting to see if Innovation explained the delay.
Curiosity got the better of me and I just checked. There was no explanation of the delay. In fact, Mr. Campiti claimed the issue shipped "on time" on March 31st. How quickly he forgot Innovation's own publicity material - or perhaps he simply hoped that everyone else had.
He also made a claim about future releases that definitely didn't pan out. He really should have never made any references to time frames unless or until something had actually been released. I suppose he was always being optimistic. But still, each subsequent delay that occurred only made Innovation look more and more foolish, if not worse, as they continually missed release dates...
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I didn't buy a lot of Innovation Comics back then; most of their product didn't appeal to me. But I do remember that late shipping was a problem with their entire line, not just the Dark Shadows book. The Innovation trademark of painted artwork, rather than the traditional pen and ink art was probably responsible for some of the delays. But a lot can be blamed on the publishers. Early success led to over expansion, which led to more and more delays.
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Here's the first page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the missing dialogue and panels that weren't included in the slideshow.
Also, there's a clue on the page to something upcoming...
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I particularly like how yesterday's two quotes and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0105ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 2 - Nathan: 'CAN'T BREATHE--
--CLOSED IN-- --OVERWHELMING FEELING--'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0105ds91_1.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 2 - Nathan: '"--OF
SUFFOCATION--"'
- today's quote flow -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0106ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 3 - Pete: '...BEEN SUFFOCATIN'
IN THE JOINT FOR TOO LONG--'
And if you haven't figured out who Pete is, which would be close to impossible given what we've seen so far, fret not because all will become clear soon.
Also, as fun as it is to give a compliment, one also has to taketh away when necessary because who knows where Jose Pimentel got the idea that the Blue Whale sign looks the way he drew it when in the series it looks like this:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/BWSign.jpg)
And no one knows that better than the cousin here who owns the sign (having purchased it during the '05 Fest auction) and rightfully has it displayed above a bar in their house...
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Here's the second page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page2.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page2.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note there's only one missing panel and no missing dialogue.
Also, there's another clue on this page to the something upcoming that I alluded to...
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Just in case you might think that the blond depicted in today's graphic is Pete because Pete's line is the one quoted, you'd be wrong. The blond is -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0107ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 3 - Pete: 'I AIN'T SEEN THE
PLACE IN THE FOUR YEARS THE STATE SENT ME ON
VACATION, AND IT WAS FALLING APART THEN!'
- Fred (and I didn't pick any of his lines for the slideshow, the reasoning behind which will become apparent once we see what type of lines he gets versus the ones Pete gets).
Pete is actually the guy who's shadowed. Though don't read anything "shadowy" about Pete into that because in a panel that's been skipped he has been seen in the light along with Fred and Sam Evans, who's wearing a Santa hat, no less. Sam has the distinction of being the first established and beloved DS character to appear in Book 2, but you won't see him until I post Page 3...
As we'll see as the scene progresses, Pete and Fred are planning to break into and steal something from "AN OLD HOUSE NEAR A MANSION." Gee, I wonder what "OLD HOUSE" that might be? [snow_wink]
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Sam has the distinction of being the first established and beloved DS character to appear in Book 2, but you won't see him until I post Page 3...
Yesterday I should have said you won't see Sam's face before I post Page 3 because both yesterday and today you can see Sam's arm as he -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0108ds91_0.jpg)
- delivers the two beers that Pate and Fred ordered from him in the panel you have yet to see.
Plus, who knew the Blue Whale decorated its tables for Christmas with candles wrapped with garland? We certainly never saw that on the original show (DC probably didn't want to spring for the garland even though back then I bet you could get several feet of garland at the local 5&10 (that we know they shopped at) for well under $1 [snow_rolleyes]). But then perhaps the reason we never saw it was simply because Bob Rooney was a Scrooge and Sam is not. [snow_wink] Though we may never know...
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Here's the third page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page3.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the missing dialogue and panels.
And not much to comment on beyond that - though there does seem to be a new newspaper in town...
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With today's quote/graphic we can see that Vicki's opening shifted to Page 4 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0110ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 4 - Vicki: 'MY NAME IS
VICTORIA WINTERS.' Vicki: 'AS CHRISTMAS
APPROACHES, MORE THAN EVER DO I FEEL ALONE.'
- and as we'll also see, the credits have shifted from Pages 2 & 3 to Pages 4 & 5. However, that's only for Issue 1. With Issue 2 - 4, Vicki's openings will return to Page 1 and the credits will return to Pages 2 & 3. I suppose the reason things were changed in Issue 1 was so that the foundations for Nathan and for Pete and Fred could be laid...
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And here are the fourth and fifth pages:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Pages4-5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Pages4-5.jpg) for a 2656X1996 version)
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Who knew the windshield of Carolyn's car could distort the faces of the people inside:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0115ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 6 - Vicki: '"CAROLYN WANTED
TO CHEER UP JOE, SO THEY TOOK DAVID TO PORTLAND
TO GO CHRISTMAS SHOPPING--'
::) But the good news is that in subsequent panels in Book 2, Carolyn, David and Joe look like they should.
Interestingly enough, though, the lack of Joe, Carolyn and David looking like themselves is but a minor problem with that panel/quote - but for now I'm going to hold off getting into the real problem...
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And BTW, don't let all the recent (and future) explanations for why characters are currently away from Collinwood give the impression that they won't be a part of Book 2. It is true that one won't be seen beyond what we've already seen of them, while some of the other characters mentioned will only be seen briefly. But others' inclusions will definitely be more substantial. And one character in particular will be a huge part of Book 2...
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Oops - I forgot to mention that quite obviously a certain someone wasn't exactly doing their job efficiently or they would have caught the mistake that Woodard is actually Professor Woodard in the '91 Series and not Doctor Woodard, as he is referred to in today's quote:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0117ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 6 - Vicki: '"--DOCTOR WOODARD
AND DOCTOR HOFFMAN ARE WORKING ON THE MYSTERY
ABOUT DAPHNE--'
::) But then, why should the person in question be any more efficient in these books than they are elsewhere?!
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Perhaps they needed someone offstage (or off panel) to say Remember....someone. [snow_wink] [snow_wink] [snow_wink]
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[pointing-up] It couldn't have hurt!! [snow_cheesy]
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Interestingly enough, though, the lack of Joe, Carolyn and David looking like themselves is but a minor problem with that panel/quote - but for now I'm going to hold off getting into the real problem...
I can think of two possibilities: 1) None are belted into their seats. 2) This image goes much farther than the rest of the exterior panels in picturing a very un-December-like Maine, by having the trees be rather green. (Or maybe those are supposed to be evergreens?)
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[pointing-up] Excellent observations - I didn't even notice #1. But my problem with the Carolyn, David, Joe panel is more storyline oriented with respect to the '91 Series. I'll definitely get into it down the road...
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Here's the sixth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page6.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that there are only two small bits of dialogue that were skipped over in the slideshow...
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Leafy green trees in Maine in December? Remember, this comic book was "filmed" in southern California. Palm trees...palm trees!...PALM TREES!!!!!
Gerard
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Though the green in the panel is obviously not from palm trees. [b003]
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At this point in the story, would Joe have been still drained from Daphne's attack and be too weak to drive?
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Though the green in the panel is obviously not from palm trees. [b003]
But, MB, the trees are still green! In Maine! In December! That means the comic book was filmed in California with palm...pal...pa...I can't even say it! Get my DS '91 meds now! (A vodka chaser would be nice.)
Gerard
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[pointing-up] Not if, as KMR surmised, they may be evergreens, of which there are many in Maine. [snow_wink]
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[pointing-up] Excellent observations - I didn't even notice #1. But my problem with the Carolyn, David, Joe panel is more storyline oriented with respect to the '91 series. I'll definitely get into it down the road...
So, wait a minute... What is the chronology of this thing in relation to the series? The story in the comic being around Christmas 1991, wouldn't that be after the events in the series? If so, yes, I do see a huge, huge glaring "fatal" boo-boo!
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So, wait a minute... What is the chronology of this thing in relation to the series? The story in the comic being around Christmas 1991, wouldn't that be after the events in the series? If so, yes, I do see a huge, huge glaring "fatal" boo-boo!
Yes, if Book 1 and Book 2 of the comic took place after the series, there would definitely be a humongous and glaring problem with the panel in Reply #16!! [deady] But both books fit into the '91 Series somewhere between hours 3 & 4, with Book 1 actually taking place after Book 2...
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But both books fit into the '91 Series somewhere between hours 3 & 4, with Book 1 actually taking place after Book 2...
Well, that certainly is quite confusing... I have a hard time imagining so much time elapsing between hours 3 and 4 of the series. (That is, if it's Christmas 1991. In what year, and roughly what time of year, do they expect us to understand the whole story started?)
For sure, the OS had fun jumping through time, but they usually were pretty clear about when we were in the story. They didn't have nonlinear story arcs like Innovation seemed to be doing.
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In hour 4 of the '91 Series we learn that things have skipped ahead 10 weeks during Barnabas' treatment. It's during those 10 weeks that Book 1 and Book 2 of the comic take place.
Of course, beyond the treatments, another reason the series skipped ahead was so that they didn't have to depict winter. Well, that and they were also following how hoDS also skipped ahead during Barnabas' treatment. DC based a lot of the early hours of the series on hoDS (so much so that much of hour 3 is a shot for shot remake of hoDS - but let's not dwell on that because my blood pressure shoots up every time we discuss it).
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I got so sidetracked by the trees discussion that I forgot to say that -
At this point in the story, would Joe have been still drained from Daphne's attack and be too weak to drive?
- that's very close to being the problem...
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There are a few things to post before we get to tomorrow's quote so here's the seventh page a bit early:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the bits of dialogue that were skipped over in the slideshow.
Plus, anyone who's a fan of the '91 Series will no doubt be able to recognize that Jose Pimentel obviously relied on actual publicity stills when it came to composing some of the panels on this page...
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And here's the eighth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And obviously none of the panels on this page will be a part of the slideshow...
One does have to wonder, though, why Vicki left a light on in a part of the house that chances are she rarely goes into? Plus, why is it that in December there's a window left open in the bay window above the arch? Or even left open at all when no one is in the entire house? But I suppose we're not supposed to ask those questions...
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In hour 4 of the '91 Series we learn that things have skipped ahead 10 weeks during Barnabas' treatment. It's during those 10 weeks that Book 1 and Book 2 of the comic take place.
MB, that helps explain to me why I couldn't follow this gobblygook plot that made no sense. I thought the comic book series was to pick up where the '91 series left off.
Gerard
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I thought the comic book series was to pick up where the '91 series left off.
It would have - but not until Book 4...
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SG #62 from October 1992 shared a version of Page 8 minus the little bit of dialogue that there is on it -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_5_2.jpg)
- as well as with a distinctly different final panel in the bottom right corner of the page. Note also that the tray of nuts is missing from the bottom left corner panel. Who knows what the reasoning was behind both...
And if you will recall, before dividing the comics into books, Book 2, Issue 1 was known as Issue 5, so that's why it's identified in SG as such.
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And here's the ninth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And take note of the dialogue and the panels that were not a part of the slideshow...
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And here's the tenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And this time take note of the dialogue and the drawings that were not a part of the slideshow...
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And here's the eleventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And this time note the nearly full page panel and the bits of dialogue that were not a part of the slideshow...
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And here's the twelfth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And while taking note of the skipped dialogue/panels notice that in one instance Nathan is responding to Vicki's thoughts rather than her words...
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Apparently Midnite is far more generous than I - she has Fred starring in his own quote today:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0205ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 13 - Fred: 'NO LOCK! LISTEN,
THERE'S BIG BUCKS HID HERE-- AND NO ONE KNOWS IT!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO US!'
[ghost_cheesy] As you'll recall, when it was my turn to pick out quotes for the slideshow for January, I didn't share any quotes from Fred - not even a shared quote. [ghost_nowink]
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Here's the thirteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the few bits of skipped dialogue and just one skipped panel (but then that panel is without dialogue so nothing could have been quoted from it)...
Not very smart of Barnabas not to lock all the doors - especially ones that lead to parts of the cellar...
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Now that Barnabas has discovered Pete and Fred in the cellar of the Old House -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0211ds91_1.jpg)
- you might think you know how things are going to play out with the two of them - but you might actually be surprised...
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Here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Only one tiny bit of dialogue was skipped.
And what will Barnabas do next? As you've seen in the slideshow, the comic is keeping the reader in suspense - and will continue to do so for a while - just like any good writing would, as it shifts focus to dealing with Nathan and Vicki...
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Here's the fifteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
With quite a bit of skipped dialogue and four skipped panels...
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I'm a bit confused as to what Nathan is doing in today's capture:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0215ds91_0.jpg)
Does he have his hand up to his head because he's communicating with Vicki telepathically (even though it seems obvious in the other panels we've seen from Page 16 that he's speaking to her out loud) - is he simply adjusting his bangs - or somehow has he learned that in an alternate universe there's a character named Jeff Clark who seemingly can't go two minutes without touching his hair and he's acting that out?!
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After thinking it over I've decided to settle on the comic is doing a Jeff Clark tribute in that panel!!
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/ds_0582-1.jpg)
[snow_cheesy]
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Here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
With four bits of skipped dialogue and two skipped panels...
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For those who thought that yesterday's quotes/captures were an indication that the comic was starting to reveal Barnabas' full reaction to finding Pete and Fred in the cellar of the Old House -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0217ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 17 - Fred: 'URRK! DON'T,
MISTER! WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY LIVED HERE!'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0217ds91_1.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 17 - Pete: 'OWWWW!'
- you know now that wasn't true because today things move back to Nathan and Vicki -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0218ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 17 - Nathan: 'FINE-- TALK TO
ME! WHO CAN HELP? WHO IS HE? HOW CAN I REACH HIM?'
Nathan: 'WHAT'S HIS PHONE NUMBER?'
- yesterday was simply another tease - and one that makes you think Barnabas is going to react the way you suspect he will. Though the full reaction will be forthcoming before too long...
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Here's the seventeenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Only one bit of dialogue was skipped from this page and no panels were skipped...
And as you've seen with today's quotes/captures, the comic finally starts to deal with Barnabas' reaction to finding intruders in the cellar of the Old House - though his interest is soon diverted to another subject. Will the intruders have to pay more for that than they would have for breaking into the Old House? Only time will tell...
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Here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another rare page where no dialogue and no panels were skipped...
And observant fans of the '91 Series will no doubt recall the Barnabas publicity stills that Jose Pimentel used as inspiration for his Barnabas drawings on this page.
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We should probably point out that even though yesterday's -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0224ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 19 - Nathan: 'WHAT DO YOU
WANT? GET OUT OF HERE!'
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(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0225ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 19 - Barnabas: 'THESE TWO
SAID VICTORIA HAD BEEN HURT! ARE YOU WITH THEM?'
- installments in the slideshow may make if seem as if Nathan is speaking to Barnabas when he asks someone what they want and he tells them to get out, he is actually speaking to Pete and Fred who are seen in an earlier panel arriving at Collinwood - but in the slideshow we've skipped that panel...
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Here's the nineteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
The top left corner panel, which is the one I referenced above in reply #54, is the only one that was skipped and it's the only one with skipped dialogue...
And the last panel may look familiar to those who've seen the publicity still Jose Pimentel used as inspiration for it...
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Here's the twentieth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
The top left corner panel is the only one that was skipped and which, obviously, contains skipped dialogue...
And it's quite interesting just how many publicity stills Jose Pimentel used as inspiration for Barnabas because there are more on this page...
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Here's the twenty-first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the skipped dialogue and the one skipped panel...
And I suspect few would have thought that Pete and Fred would get off scot-free - that Barnabas wouldn't exact anything from them for breaking into the cellar of the Old House or, worse, the injury to Vicki, who could have died. But that doesn't mean there won't be any repercussions, as we'll see in Issue #2...
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Again, I was left totally confused by this plot. I know it's impossible to show every panel or page, but here's my summation from what I got from the story. It's Christmas. The entire family and staff have departed for other holiday activities leaving Vicki alone at Collinwood. Meanwhile, some men think the Old House is abandoned and decide to rummage through it to see what they can get. A lonely Vicki visits and equally lonely Barnabas for some Christmas cheer and then leaves. The men brake into the Old House and Vicki catches them. They panic, hit her, and she with a head injury runs away until she almost falls from Widow's Hill, but they save her and one of them takes her back to the Old House to deal with her injuries. His friends continue to rifle through the Old House until Barnabas catches them. To save themselves, they state their friend is helping Victoria. Barnabas lets them go. The man helping Vicki is then able to call an ambulance and it's apparent he has developed an affection for her. She is taken away, the man who likes her tells Barnabas not to leave her alone and he promises as much.
Did I get it right?
Gerard
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Here's the twenty-second page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another rare example of a page with no missing dialogue or panels - though Vicki, while spoken to, doesn't appear in any of the captures that were used in the slideshow because she doesn't say anything.
And yes, that really is a Christmas tree at Collinwood!! [ChristmaS15]
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SG #63 from January 1993 shared an almost completely finished version of Page 22:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_5_5.jpg)
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With Book 2, Issue 1 moving close to its conclusion, the time has come to start to post the back pages of the issue. First up, the first page of the letters column (twenty-fifth page), though this time around that column is actually being used as the forum for an article written by Maggie Thompson, the author of Book 2. And here's the first page of that article:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
It's nice how this page features the first panel from Page 6 and the second panel of Page 12 without dialogue written over them...
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And here's the second page (twenty-sixth page) of the article:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Though we haven't reached them in the comic yet, it's nice how this page features the third, fourth and fifth panels from Page 24 without dialogue written over them...
And if like Maggie Thompson, you enjoyed Willie on the '91 series, I suspect you'll be happy to see how prominently Willie features in what's to come...
And we get a preview of the cover to Book 2, Issue 2 - though I'm sure no one will be surprised that it didn't actually ship until mid-May...
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Pages 27 and 28 of Book 2, Issue 1 are the same ads for the posters and the watches that I shared in reply #146 and reply #139, respectively, in the "Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?" topic for Book 1. Which bring us up to the twenty-ninth page, which is a listing of several of the comics Innovation made available in March of 1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page29.jpg)
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And here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that all the dialogue appeared in the slideshow but the last panel did not...
And on this page it was a publicity shot of Roger that was used for inspiration for his panel...
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And here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that the dialogue and the panels that were not included in the slideshow...
And this page concludes the story portion of Book 2, Issue 1...
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Now that the story portion of Book 2, Issue 1 has concluded, here's the unredacted part of what SG #62 had to share along with more of what was shared -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_5_4.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_6_1.jpg)
- though Nathan has yet to meet Willie. But that will happen about a third of the way into Issue 2. And we've yet to meet the Grimm sisters. But as we'll see, that will happen directly thereafter...
And the art being referred to in the start of the fourth paragraph is what was shared from SG #62 in reply #38 - and, of course, Page 8 itself in reply #35 (the differences in the bottom right panel notwithstanding)...
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Again, I was left totally confused by this plot. I know it's impossible to show every panel or page, but here's my summation from what I got from the story. It's Christmas. The entire family and staff have departed for other holiday activities leaving Vicki alone at Collinwood. Meanwhile, some men think the Old House is abandoned and decide to rummage through it to see what they can get. A lonely Vicki visits and equally lonely Barnabas for some Christmas cheer and then leaves. The men brake into the Old House and Vicki catches them. They panic, hit her, and she with a head injury runs away until she almost falls from Widow's Hill, but they save her and one of them takes her back to the Old House to deal with her injuries. His friends continue to rifle through the Old House until Barnabas catches them. To save themselves, they state their friend is helping Victoria. Barnabas lets them go. The man helping Vicki is then able to call an ambulance and it's apparent he has developed an affection for her. She is taken away, the man who likes her tells Barnabas not to leave her alone and he promises as much.
Did I get it right?
You came really, really close. Though if you've read what was just posted above, you know now that Nathan had no connection to Pete and Fred prior to witnessing their interaction with Vicki and Pete hitting her with his flashlight. Also, Nathan takes Vicki back to Collinwood to treat her. And after learns about what happened to Vicki, he goes to Collinwood with Pete and Fred and there they learn about Vicki condition. And though it's not as clear as it probably should be, after Vicki is taken away in the ambulance, Barnabas, Nathan, Pete and Fred all go back to the Old House to deal with the Continental cash. And in what seems somewhat out of character for Barnabas, he believes Nathan when he says Pete and Fred seem "harmless enough," completely ignoring the fact that Vicki was "hit a little bit" because of some action on their part (though at least Barnabas never does learn the full detail that Pete hit Vicki with his flashlight and that injury is what led to her almost dying in a fall from Widows' Hill), and he lets Pete and Fred go scot-free...
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I remember reading that the artist based Nathan's appearance on actor Roger Rees. I wonder if Mr. Rees was ever aware of that.
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SG #63 from January 1993 also shared these blurbs about Book 2 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_4_5.jpg)
- (which use the same description as used in the ad from SG #63 that is shared in reply #5) as well this brief description of Book 2 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_5_4.jpg)
(The above item may not be displaying for you (you may be seeing the sample page shared in reply #60 because I had incorrectly numbered that scan - but I've remedied that). If that's the case, simply clear your browser's cache.)
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And here's most of what else was in SG #63 with regard to the comics -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_5_11.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_6_1.jpg)
- and it's interesting that Book 2, Issue 1 came out as the #2 "hottest" when those 12 comic retailer were polled...
(And in case you may be wondering what else might still be in SG #63, there are some bits about Book 2's Issues 2, 3 and 4 that I'm holding back until those issues get posted about...)
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Page 30 is an ad for Anne Rice's The Queen Of The Damned and Anne Rice's Interview With The Vampire comics. Page 31 is an ad for the Quantum Leap comic. And Page 32 is an ad for the Beauty And The Beast comic. So, that brings us up to the inside back cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
- which is quite similar to the inside back cover for Book 1, Issue 4...
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And here's the back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Back Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Not that I'm complaining because I love the character, but it's interesting how Maggie appears on the back cover, yet she was only featured in one panel. Same goes for Willie. Whereas characters like Liz, Roger, Carolyn and David were seen in multiple panels yet none of them are included...
Also, notice how the "A Love Story Beyond Time" tag has been dropped from the back cover though it was a part of three of Book 1's back covers. But then the Barnabas/Vicki relationship isn't as much of a focus in Book 2 as it was in Book 1...
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Here's the front cover of Book Two/Issue Two -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Hector Gomez' second cover. I think it's an improvement over his cover for Book Two/Issue One...
It's interesting how it's a bit different from what they previewed in Book Two/Issue One
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Here's what SG #63 from January 1993 had to say about the cover for Book 2, Issue 2 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_5_8.jpg)
- though contrary to what it says, no art for the cover was shared in SG #64...
And one thing that's fascinating is that the comic's interior art and story would seem to contradict the cover. But it will be quite a while before we get to the point in Issue 2 where we see that...
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And here's the inside cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And as already referenced, don't be fooled by Maggie Thompson's signature and think that Book 2, Issue 2 came out in March of 1993 because it didn't actually come out until mid-May...
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Here's the first page of Book 2, Issue 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the missing dialogue that wasn't included in the slideshow...
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The following picks up where reply #66 left off with what SG #62 had to share in October 1992 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_6_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_6_5.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_62_6_6.jpg)
- and covers most of what was in that SG, though there's still more to share when it comes to what was planned beyond Book 2...
With regard to what's written here, first, I can totally see what transpires between Willie and Barnabas on Page 1 of Book 2, Issue 2 (and into Page 2) as something the '91 Series would have done. Given Willie's devotion to Barnabas (for reasons Maggie Thompson will get into in yet another article written by her and one I'll be sharing soon) Willie would have definitely bought Barnabas a Christmas gift - and while Barnabas holding Willie and not Pete and Fred responsible for what happened to Vicki may seem terribly skewed logic at best on Barnabas' part, it does fit in perfectly with his character at the time these events take place. Plus, down the line the comic will make an attempt to further explain why Barnabas treats Willie so violently this time around - but that's still quite a while away in the story. For now it's just a tragedy that Willie's gesture was mostly for nothing.
And I have to say I got another good chuckle when, as part of this report, David Campiti once again claims that they're monitoring things "to be sure" Book 2 is "as consistent in its continuity as the first 4." Yeah, right! As explained in the topic for Book 1, those issues have almost too many inconsistencies with the '91 Series to count. And his claims that readers like the consistency is also a laugh because, as I also mentioned in the topic for Book 1, I know for a fact that, sadly, several people who wrote into the letters column had their letters edited of any questions about valid inconsistencies (not simply, as Campiti claimed, complaints about the number of candles in a candelabra, which I agree with him is excessive to complain about). All that being said, though, Book 2, while not without its inconsistencies, is far more within continuity than Book 1.
And finally I do have to wonder if changes were made to Book 2 after some of Campiti's remarks here were made because it's not just the cover of Book 2, Issue 2 that would seem to be different from the actual Book 2...
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As long as I have been reading comic books, I have never heard "Slice" used as a sound effect. Maybe in a story about golf.
Mail probably dropped off because of the severe lag time between issues. Why write if there's nothing new to write about?
I do find the remarks about future projects quite interesting. I don't think that it's any secret that the original cast member referred to is Lara Parker and that she reworked her idea for Angelique's Descent. I do wonder how that story would have fit into the DS Innovation universe since that Angelique is somewhat different than the original character.
Was the original novel that Campiti mentions ever completed? Is it out there as a kind of Hawkes Harbor parallel? And what about the book of short stories? I wonder if the ones written by Kathy Resch and Marcy Robin surfaced in any of the fanzines? And who were the three other authors referred to?
I doubt that we'll get any answers at this point.
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SG #64 from April 1993 shared a not quite completed version of Page 1 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_5_5.jpg)
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Here's the first page (twenty-fifth page) of a second article written by Maggie Thompson:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
It's really well worth a read.
And the graphic is part of the third panel on upcoming Page 12...
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And here's the conclusion (twenty-sixth page) of a second article written by Maggie Thompson -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- along with a reworked version of the ad for the posters (originally shared in reply #146 in the topic for Book 1).
I feel really bad for anyone who may have sent in their $42 to subscribe to the comics and had that subscription begin with Book 2, Issue 1 because instead of getting 12 issues, they only received 5. It was bad enough that those of us who subscribed from the beginning only received 9 issues - but those who only received 5 lost more than half of their money when Innovation folded prematurely...
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I remember reading that the artist based Nathan's appearance on actor Roger Rees.
Whenever I've looked at Book 2 I've often thought that Nathan looked familiar but could never place why. Now I know. Thanks for clearing that up because I don't know if I ever heard that Jose Pimentel based Nathan's look on Roger Rees...
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As long as I have been reading comic books, I have never heard "Slice" used as a sound effect. Maybe in a story about golf.
[easter_cheesy] But I've thought that it's supposed to indicate that Barnabas' cane is slicing open Willie's skin, in which case it's very disturbing.
Mail probably dropped off because of the severe lag time between issues. Why write if there's nothing new to write about?
True.
I do find the remarks about future projects quite interesting. I don't think that it's any secret that the original cast member referred to is Lara Parker and that she reworked her idea for Angelique's Descent. I do wonder how that story would have fit into the DS Innovation universe since that Angelique is somewhat different than the original character.
Upcoming comments in SG will give some hints about what they were planning. Aspects of it were very different from Angelique's Descent. And that might have been a good thing. But we'll never know...
Was the original novel that Campiti mentions ever completed? Is it out there as a kind of Hawkes Harbor parallel? And what about the book of short stories? I wonder if the ones written by Kathy Resch and Marcy Robin surfaced in any of the fanzines? And who were the three other authors referred to?
I doubt that we'll get any answers at this point.
IF Campiti's novel ever came out with something like a Hawkes Harbor reworking, it's a well kept secret - and those sorts of secrets rarely stay secret in fandom. So, I would tend to doubt it's seen the light of day. But who knows? And who knows what the answers are to your other questions? If SG ever had info on them, I don't remember reading it - but it's been more than 25 years since I've gone through the SGs I've been going through for the comics' slideshow, so I may have simply forgotten. But if answers are in SG, I'll come across them eventually...
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Because the letters column indicates that it will be focusing on letters regarding Book 1, Issue 4, I'm going to start posting the column -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page27.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page27.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- though, as you'll see upon reading this first page (twenty-seventh page), the letters on it contain general comments with nothing specific to Book 1, Issue 4. It's also interesting that Book 2, Issue 2 contains both an article by Maggie Thompson and a letters column - and not just a letters column, but one that's 5 pages long. And the reason they were able to do such a thing is because they dropped almost all ads from the issue.
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To get any answers this late in the game would be nothing short of a miracle. If I get a chance, maybe I will run that by Kathy Resch. If she remembers that far back, I know that I would get an honest answer. Marcy is usually more evasive.
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I am LOLing at today's quote. "Miss Vicki" makes it sound like Barn is going to ask her to "tiptoe through the tulips" with him on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show (only people of a certain age will get this, I guess).
cheers, G.
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If I understand what I recently read about the time placement of Book 3 (of which we only got one issue), it takes place in the spring. Given that, I almost wouldn't have put it past David Campiti to have tried to persuade Scott Rockwell (the writer) and Felipe Echevarria (the illustrator) to have depicted a scene of Barnabas and "Miss" Vicki in a field of tulips, perhaps even tiptoeing. [easter_grin] But alas, Innovation folded before Book 3 could be completed...
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Here are the second and third pages:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Pages2-3.jpg)
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It's interesting how they depict Angelique watching the scene between Barnabas and Willie...
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It's interesting that in today's capture/quote Barnabas seems about to -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0327ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 4 - Willie: 'GOD!'
Willie: 'NO...!'
- bite Willie - and particularly interesting as it's after just beating him. Kinky!! [naughty]
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Here's the second page (page twenty-eight) of the letters column:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page28.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page28.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Publishing letters are pat-on-the-back material? Well, duh. Though when it comes to the price, I do have to agree that these issues were one the better values in comics. But why did I chuckle when it was stated that these letter columns give detractors of the comics a forum for their thoughts? Hmm, could it be that so far we've rarely seen any criticisms, and when we do, it's not like they get treated seriously...
Note that the images on this page are from Pages 1 & 3.
And I won't be sharing the third page of this column until some point around mid-April because some of the images shared on it don't come up until this issue's Page 8. You might have noticed that there really isn't much about Book 1, Issue 4 on this second page either. But that will change once we get to the third page...
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It's a shame that a sequence like what we're currently seeing in the slideshow never actually took place on the '91 DS. Sure we can appreciate it to a degree in the comic - but if it had played out with the actors I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Jim Fyfe, in particular, would have brought every bit of pathos it entails. And in that regard, character-wise, today's scan of the first panel on Page 5 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0402ds91_0.jpg)
- is decidedly one of the best and most heartrending panels drawn for the comic as Willie holds part of the broken tea pot that he'd bought Barnabas for Christmas.
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Here's the fourth page of Book 2, Issue 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page4.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the missing dialogue that wasn't included in the slideshow...
And like Jim Fyfe, I'm sure Ben Cross would have brought a great deal of justice to his performance of the material, particularly Barnabas' realization of what he'd done to Willie...
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Here's the fifth page of Book 2, Issue 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the missing bits of dialogue that weren't included in the slideshow...
And it would seem that '91 Julia is quite possibly more prepared than original Julia because apparently '91 Julia carries complete IV paraphernalia in her doctor bag. [easter_wink] Though to be fair, original Julia would have had to carry cumbersome glass bottles, not pliable plastic bags...
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One thing that I love about the current sequence in the comic is that -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0407ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 6 - Julia: '...YOU MEAN YOU'RE
THE ONE WHO FREED BARNABAS?'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0408ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 6 - Willie: 'YEAH, DOC. IT'S
GOOD TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT, FINALLY. I COULDN'T
NEVER TELL NOBODY WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE'
- we're seeing one of the conversations that we know must have taken place between Julia and Willie but we never actually saw it.
It's also interesting that in the comic we see Julia treat Willie on Christmas Eve and then the very next thing we see is her treating him on the day after Christmas. The comic doesn't give us even the slightest glimpse of Christmas Day. Apparently seeing the Collinses open gifts, and/or celebrating a meal, and/or celebrating in any way aren't events that they were inclined to depict. But then there's only so much space in the comic and I guess they didn't feel those sorts of scenes would have moved the story they're telling forward. Though it might have been interesting if, say, Liz had had a special gift to give Vicki. But I suppose with something similar already having come up in Book 1 (even though chronologically Book 1 takes place after Book 2) they might have felt they'd already gone there, done that...
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I think a shirtless Willie with that type of torso would've looked like that on the '91 series wasn't possible. If he did, he would've been more popular among the local Collinsport girls. Even Carolyn and Vicki would've given him a shot.
Gerard
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Well, they would have had to see Willie unclothed to have had even a slight chance to be attracted to him. But we need to remember the pre-Barn Willie was hardly someone females would want to be within 10 feet of, much less get to know well enough to be intimate with. I strongly suspect that Willie was greatly lacking when it came to female companionship beyond Auntie. [b003]
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Hmmm -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0411ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 6 - Willie: 'WHEN HE'S HURT
ME-- ONE OF THE BAD TIMES, I MEAN-- I CAN TELL HE
DIDN'T MEAN IT, YA KNOW? IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE'S
CRYIN' AFTER-- LIKE HE'S HURTIN' WORSE 'N ME.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0412ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 7 - Willie: 'AN' THEN HE'S
NICE-- LIKE HE'S TRYIN' TO APOLOGIZE. HE DIDN'T MEAN
IT!' Willie: 'AN' HE SAYS IT WON'T NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN--
'LESS I DO BAD AGAIN. SO YOU SEE, DOC, I JUST GOTTA
TRY HARD 'N' IT'LL BE OKAY.'
- could Willie be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome much?!
Though, as we know, Willie and Barnabas' relationship in the '91 Series will eventually develop into a genuine friendship, something I could never see on the original show because no one uses the levels of psychological manipulation on a friend the way Barnabas does Willie (or Julia) whenever Willie (or Julia) doesn't want to do something Barnabas insists he (or she) must do...
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Here's the sixth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page6.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the one bit of dialogue that wasn't included in the slideshow...
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I wonder if -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0416ds91_1.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 7 - Willie: '... PEOPLE BEAT ME
BEFORE-- LOTS!-- BUT NOBODY WHO DONE IT EVER FELT
BAD BEFORE!'
- '91 Roger might have been someone who beat Willie but never felt bad about it? As much as I might want to rule him out, sadly, given the way '91 Roger treats Willie in the early hours of the series, I can't say I can eliminate him as a possibility...
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Here's the seventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And again we have another rarity, a page where no dialogue and no panels were skipped in the slideshow - but that's because so much of it is so important character wise, especially when it comes to Willie...
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We've skipped the bit of dialogue in the first panel on Page 8 because it wasn't all that significant (as you'll see when Page 8 gets posted). However, one thing I do want to point out about that panel is that those of us who are familiar with Greystone or even just publicity stills for the '91 Series will notice that some of the details of the Old House -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/page8_panel1.jpg)
- are missing. And it's not like Jose Pimentel would have had to seek out photos of Greystone apart from the publicity stills available from the '91 Series to have gotten them correct. For example, this one -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Dilapidated_1.jpg)
- features the top and bottom windows in the far right that are virtually missing from Jose Pimentel's drawing, and more significantly, the following one, which Pimentel not only used for inspiration but quite obviously pretty much copied for the drawing -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Dilapidated_2.jpg)
- at least features the first floor windows clearly, if not quite the second floor windows. And the windows aren't the only parts of the house that are missing, as a comparison between the still and the drawing clearly shows.
Though in the Grand Scheme of things, I would much rather that the comics closely focus on character and plot than getting every architectural detail correct. Things like that are much easier to overlook than getting character wrong. But at least when it comes to this Book 2, the focus on character is for the most part spot on. I love what they've been doing and will continue to do with Julia, Barnabas, and especially Willie...
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Here's the eighth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Unlike Page 7, take note of the multiple panels and lines of dialogue that the slideshow skipped...
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Here's the third page (page twenty-nine) of the letters column:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page29.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page29.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Book 1, Issue 4 is finally being featured more heavily on this third page. And it's weird how some of the print appears discolored because it isn't that way on the actual page. I have no clue what happened during scanning, but obviously something did, and it happened repeatedly because I scanned the page several times but that print always came out the same way...
Also, note that the images on this page are from Page 8.
The images on the fourth page of the letters column are from Pages 19 & 20, so I won't be sharing that page until around early-June...
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Here's the ninth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
This may actually be the page with the least amount of material to make it into the slideshow because only the dialogue from the second panel and the panel itself were used. Though, of course, three of the panels don't have any dialogue, anyway...
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Here's the tenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Gee, I wonder who that intruder might have been. Little does Allie know she's asking Nathan to protect against himself. [ghost_wink]
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And here's the eleventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
As usual, note the dialogue and panels that weren't used in the slideshow.
And this time out the snakes are specifically referenced. I wonder how many readers had yet to figure out their significance?
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Here's the twelfth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that only the carryover line from the conversation on Page 11 is the only dialogue that didn't appear in the slideshow...
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Obviously, given today's first quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0508ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 13 - Julia: 'YOU SIMPLY CAN'T
PERSIST IN THREATENING PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO
HELP YOU! FOR EXAMPLE: WILLIE--'
- Willie's pleas not to speak to Barnabas didn't change Julia's mind about doing so. But really, did anyone think she'd stay silent?
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Maybe it's me wanting to see something that the artist didn't intend but in certain panels, Allie Grimm bears a striking resemblance to British popstar Samantha Fox.
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[pointing-up] You're not the only one who's noticed that...
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Here's the thirteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that there's only one small bit of dialogue (from the first panel) that didn't make it into the slideshow...
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[pointing-up] You're not the only one who's noticed that...
As the song says, Samantha Fox is such a wild dame.😉😉😉
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Maybe the comics would have sold better if she looked like the other Samantha Fox.
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Maybe the comics would have sold better if she looked like the other Samantha Fox.
And team her up with Cherry Poptart?😉😉😉
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[pointing-up] That would have brought a whole new meaning to steamy (as some of the love scenes were described on the series)...
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Here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note this one is the opposite of Page 13 in that, the carry over line from Page 13 notwithstanding, only one bit of dialogue from the third panel was quoted in the slideshow and all the rest was skipped...
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And here's the fifteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And this page is about half and half when it comes to what made it into the slideshow and what didn't...
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And here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And like Page 15, this page is about half and half when it comes to what made it into the slideshow and what didn't...
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I haven't looked at these comics in ages, but Nathan sure reminds me of Kurt Russell. I think it needs Goldie more...lol.
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And here's the seventeenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the bits of dialogue that weren't included in the slideshow.
And an interesting thing about this page is that it depicts Willie and Nathan in the kitchen at the Old House, which is a room we never saw on the NBC series...
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And here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Yet another page where it's about half and half when it comes to what made it into the slideshow and what didn't...
It's also interesting to learn how Vicki and David's relationship was progressing. Based on what we saw in the pilot, who would have ever thought that David would be drawing pictures of Vicki in a heart. But then you know what they say: there's a fine line between love and hate - apparently even when it comes to 10-year-olds. [b003]
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Another interesting thing - the last time we saw the entrance to the Old House, on Page 8 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/page8_panel1.jpg)
- it was still an overgrown mess, but apparently by the time Vicki and Willie are seen approaching the entrance on Page 18, it has all been cleared away. I guess those unseen workers Willie references on Page 8 were very busy because it doesn't seem like Willie would have found the time to do it considering he seems to be spending all his time with either Vicki or Nathan. [b003]
(Of course, on the series, we actually saw a worker clearing debris in the second hour of the pilot, before any of the events in this comic take place - but apparently for all intents and purposes of the comic, we're supposed to assume he never finished. [b003])
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You may have noticed a difference in today's graphic. That's because the capture was taken with my phone rather than scanned. Someone borrowed my scanner and I won't get it back until tomorrow, in which case tomorrow's graphics will also be from my phone.
Thankfully after some trial and error I was able to get usable captures (no traces of the phone's flash). But scanning the comic's pages is a lot easier. And I may even redo the first three graphics for June to see if they come out better as scans...
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And here's the nineteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
This page definitely helps to explain why Vicki is out in the woods. It's also one of the very few pages that has dialogue but none of that dialogue was chosen for the slideshow...
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Here are comparisons of the phone versions of the graphics from Page 20 and the scanned versions:
Phone:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0601ds91_0_a.jpg)
Scan:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0601ds91_0.jpg)
Phone:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0602ds91_0_a.jpg)
Scan:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0602ds91_0.jpg)
In some way the phone versions are better - but in others the scan is better, especially because the graphic isn't skewed in any way...
(If you're not seeing different versions, you need to clear your browser's cache. [ghost_wink])
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Here's the twentieth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note there is one panel and one bit of dialogue that was skipped...
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Here's the fourth page (page thirty) of the letters column:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page30.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page30.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
More Book 1, Issue 4 comments - and a theory as to whose image Uncle Vincent might have been based on. However, you'll have to wait until the fifth page of the column to get some info about whose images were in the running to be used as Uncle Vincent and whose image he was ultimately based on...
Also, note that the images on this page are from Pages 19 & 20.
The images on the fifth page of the letters column are from Page 12, so, unlike how there was a gap of over a month between the posting of the third and fourth pages of the column, the fifth page will be showing up sooner rather than later...
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And here'd the last phone versus scan graphic:
Phone:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0602ds91_1_a.jpg)
Scan:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0602ds91_1.jpg)
It may be the one that's the most different because some details don't even show up in the phone version...
(If you're not seeing different versions, you need to clear your browser's cache. [ghost_wink])
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Humphrey Allen Astredo????
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Even though they set up the trip to the lab as going somewhere to discuss Barnabas' treatment, quite obviously the real reason is to show vampire mice and to have Barn attack and kill the cleaning lady. [snow_rolleyes] Julia and Barn will, however, have their discussion of his treatment down the road in this issue, and in a location that's always made perfect sense in every version of DS, so it only calls more attention to how needless an excursion going to the lab is. And what's interesting is that, unless I'm forgetting, I don't think they ever go back to that lab.
Well, given today's graphic -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0606ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 21 - Julia's Journal: 'WORK
WITH THE MICE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER.
WHAT IF I HAD ACTUALLY APPLIED THE MEDICATION
TO BARNABAS THAT I WAS USING ON THIS ANIMAL?'
- obviously we do see the lab again. Though technically, because Book 2 takes place at a time earlier than Book 1, we're not seeing it at a point after the events depicted in Book 1. [ghost_wink] [ghost_grin]
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Something I forget to post about last week when I posted Page 18 - and maybe it's just me - but why the alternate spelling, jeez vs. geez, in Willie's dialogue?
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/page18_panels2&3.jpg)
Both spellings mean the same thing - though, considering it's meant as a potentially less offensive alternative to saying "Jesus," most often one sees it spelled with the "j". And no doubt that's why at least 90% of the time that's the way it's spelled in the comics, even when it's not Willie saying it. And considering the same calligrapher, Vickie Williams, does all the dialogue for the comics, one would presume she would follow a standard spelling throughout. But what's most odd is not only did she use alternate spellings on the same page, she used them in consecutive panels. [ghost_huh]
I suppose only Willie or Vickie Williams knows the real reason why...
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Another thing that an editor should have caught.
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Here's the twenty-first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note there is one panel and a few bits of dialogue that were skipped...
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Here's the fifth (the last) page (page thirty-one) of the letters column:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page31.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page31.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Who knew that both Louis Edmonds and Jonathan Frid turned down having their likenesses used for Uncle Vincent - or that E Silas Smith decided to base the likeness on himself?
It's interesting that they claim just because they got something from DCP, it's official canon. Yes, Mrs. Johnson's first name is Sarah on the original series, and that's definitely canon within it. But her first name is never mentioned on the '91 Series, so it's not a complete certainty Sarah is her name within it. In fact, in the character list for the pilot script and in all her scenes she's simply listed as Mrs. Johnson.
Similarly, just because the Collinwood Estate map was "thoroughly reviewed and corrected by several DS fan experts and by the folks at Dan Curtis Productions" that doesn't mean there's no possibility for error, as was pointed out in reply #182 on page 13 of the "Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?" topic when errors were pointed out in the map.
But as we all know anything DS wouldn't be DS without some sort of errors...
And I guess having already been caught a few times announcing release dates that didn't pan out, notice that they didn't give a release for Book 2, Issue 3...
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I did recall hearing about Jonathan Frid and Louis Edmonds being proposed as character models for the book. I don't remember where I heard it first but the word gracious was not attached to either refusal. I have no idea what E. Silas Smith looked like but it sounds like the editor had somewhat of a man crush on him.
Time has shown that DCP is not the best judge of what is or isn't canon.
I seem to remember that there was some kind of screw up with Tina "Pinky" Perrotta's name as well. Is it addressed in the next issue's letter column?
And how does one embroider an envelope?
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I did recall hearing about Jonathan Frid and Louis Edmonds being proposed as character models for the book. I don't remember where I heard it first but the word gracious was not attached to either refusal.
I don't know about Louis Edmonds, but back when the offer would have been made to Jonathan Frid he was still very much in the mood that he wanted nothing to do with DS. And Pierson had only himself to blame...
I have no idea what E. Silas Smith looked like
Check out this post:Here's the first page of the second article (twenty-eighth page)
I seem to remember that there was some kind of screw up with Tina "Pinky" Perrotta's name as well. Is it addressed in the next issue's letter column?
I haven't checked out Book 2, Issue 3 yet. But if there is anything about it, we'll certainly be seeing it...
And how does one embroider an envelope?
Excellent question.
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It's interesting that, unlike Action Kits International's first Ben Cross Barnabas model set, which is featured in Book 1, Issues 2 & 3, their second Ben Cross model set -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_1_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_4_1.jpg)
- isn't featured in any Book 2 issues. However, that's less of a surprise once one realizes that, with the exception of Book 2, Issue 1, which features the ads for the posters and the watches, none of the other Book 2 issues feature ads for any DS merchandise. Instead Innovation used its pages at the ends of the issues to promote its own merchandise. Though whether or not that was because companies like Abbelare Inc. and Action Kits International chose not to place any more ads or Innovation chose to promote its own merchandise, who knows?
But be that as it may be, the above material regarding the second Ben Cross model comes from SG #64 from April 1993...
And you may recall that Innovation's ad for the first model was shared in "Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?" in reply #273 on page 19 and more info about that model was in SG # 60 and shared in that same topic's reply #393 on page 27...
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Maybe the companies that made the DS products wanted to promote their merchandise in something that came out on a more timely basis.
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[pointing-up] You might be on to something. [ghost_wink]
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I wonder if the word was out in the industry that Innovation was on shaky ground before the general public did. It would make sense that companies would pull their ads if they knew that the company's days were numbered. Or, from a business standpoint, why pay for ads in a magazine that wasn't going to see print.
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Here's the beginning of what SG #64 had to say about the comics generally:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_4_3.jpg)
There will be more about the Trade Paperback in a future post. Will it actually come out in July? What do you think? [ghost_wink]
I always get a good chuckle whenever Campiti insists things like "Careful and thorough attention is given to detail and continuity between books but also within what was shown in the 13 broadcast hours." OK, there does seem to be continuity between the books - but when it come to sticking to what was shown in the series, it's a ridiculous claim, as has been pointed out numerous times...
And unfortunately the text of the Previews blurb didn't scan clearly (but then, I needed a magnifying glass to read it from SG), so what it says is:
DARK SHADOWS BOOK TWO #2
by Maggie Thompson & Jose Pimentel
The mind-reading mysterious stranger known
as Nathan takes a job with the Grimm sisters
next door, but begins to uncover a terrible family
secret spanning generations. But Willie Loomis
and he have poked into Barnabas Collins's affairs
once too often -- and the vampire strikes back!
Cover painted by Hector Gomez.
How will Barnabas strike back? We're not too far away from finding out.
And continuing on with SG #64's report:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_5_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_5_3.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_5_6.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_6_3.jpg)
I also always get a good chuckle when Campiti makes claims that are clearly false. I keep all my issues in the envelopes they were mailed in and the postmark for Book 2, Issue 2 clearly says May 17. So, unless everyone else received their issues almost two months before I did...
I have no memory of Innovation doing a special QVC version of the comics. But if they did, details of it will surely show up in a future issue of SG...
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I wonder if the word was out in the industry that Innovation was on shaky ground before the general public did. It would make sense that companies would pull their ads if they knew that the company's days were numbered. Or, from a business standpoint, why pay for ads in a magazine that wasn't going to see print.
Those are also excellent questions. And also situations that were quite potentially possible...
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I had no idea that QVC had a comic book segment.
The Shadowgram blurb is both interesting and frustrating.
The Innovation comics are the only Dark Shadows comics that have never been reprinted in trade paperback form. I wonder why.
I think that it was always understood that Lara's notes for the potential comic book formed the basis for what eventually became Angelique's Descent. But which Angelique was she supposed to have been writing about: the original version or the NBC incarnation. I thought that Innovation didn't have the rights to the original series. Plus, there's the publishing schedule. If the books were actually published on a timely basis (a big if, at that), it was going to be quite some time before they addressed and resolved the NBC cliffhanger. If they ever actually planned to do so.
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The Innovation comics are the only Dark Shadows comics that have never been reprinted in trade paperback form. I wonder why.
I don't honestly recall what the ultimate fate of the trade paperback was/is. But if you are correct that these comics have never been reprinted that way (and I have no reason to doubt you), it's going to be fascinating to eventually discover in SG why that is. The info I'll be sharing in an upcoming post certainly made the trade paperback sound like it was going to be quite interesting...
I think that it was always understood that Lara's notes for the potential comic book formed the basis for what eventually became Angelique's Descent. But which Angelique was she supposed to have been writing about: the original version or the NBC incarnation.
It was going to be about the Angelique of the '91 Series - and it was going to be told through the eyes of her mother, who Book 1 strongly hinted is Julia's Aunt Lara (the only good thing to come out of that awful Barrettstown story). But alas...
I thought that Innovation didn't have the rights to the original series. Plus, there's the publishing schedule. If the books were actually published on a timely basis (a big if, at that), it was going to be quite some time before they addressed and resolved the NBC cliffhanger. If they ever actually planned to do so.
You are correct in that Innovation didn't have the rights to the original series.
They did plan to resolve the cliffhanger and to begin new story partly based on the plans the '91 Series' writers had for a second season (see: SHADOWS IN THE '90S: The Dark Shadows Concordance 1991). Though in one way they did plan to depart radically from what the writers had planned. I don't think that's come up yet in anything I've shared from SG, but it will...
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Though in one way they did plan to depart radically from what the writers had planned. I don't think that's come up yet in anything I've shared from SG, but it will...
I checked older posts and it did come up, though not as clearly explained as it will be. But for what it's worth, anyone interested now should check out reply #484 on page 33 of "Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?"
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Here's the twenty-second page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the two panels, their dialogue, and other bits of dialogue that weren't included in the slideshow...
And as I'd alluded to soon after I'd posted the cover for Book 2, Issue 2, notice how different Joshua's statue is on the cover compared to the comic's interior art:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Cover_Joshua.jpg)
The cover version even has a resemblance to Stefan Gierasch, something the interior version doesn't really. And more differences will show up on Page 23...
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BTW, if, when it comes to the entries in today's slideshow, you're as confused as Vicki as to why Barnabas is sending her away -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0615ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 23 - Barnabas: 'I MUST ASK YOU
TO RETURN HOME WITHOUT ME. THERE IS DANGER FOR
YOU HERE, BUT I SHALL TAKE CARE OF IT.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0615ds91_1.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Two/Page 23 - Vicki: 'BUT---*'
- don't feel bad. Even though a panel and its dialogue were skipped, the skipped panel/dialogue doesn't offer any specific reason for Barnabas' actions. Given what we will see shortly, presumably Barnabas is experiencing some adverse reaction after seeing his father's statue (and how appropriate is it that this situation is being showcased during Father's Day Weekend?). But that's mostly left up to the reader to deduce...
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And more differences will show up on Page 23...
And the biggest of them is, of course, the pedestal:
Interior art:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0616ds91_0.jpg) |
Cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Cover_Pedestal.jpg) |
One would think either the artists themselves or at least the editors would be sure the artists are on the same page when it comes to continuity between the covers and the interiors. But apparently one would be wrong. [ghost_blink]
Of course, it might have been the case that Hector Gomez, who drew the covers for Book 2, was given only a brief notion of what the actual scene in the interior would entail because the scripts weren't finished when he drew his covers, whereas Jose Pimentel, who drew the interior art, worked from finished scripts. We've seen in the SG reports that many times the covers were done a few weeks or even longer before the interior art was done. But that's no excuse. For the sake of continuity, something Campiti trumpeted constantly, the cover artists should have been as aware of story points as the interior artists were. That's one reason why it might have been best if only one artist had been used for both covers and interiors, as was the case for Book 1 with E. Silas Smith.
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Because the comics promote the MPI VHS tapes of the '91 Series, I shared info from SG #62. I forgot to share an update from SG #63:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_6_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_7_1.jpg)
It was actually a slip-up that MPI would be releasing "13 new DS tapes" because at the time SG #63 was published there hadn't been an announcement for the "Dark Shadows Resurrected" behind the scenes tape, so it's funny and prophetic that there actually did end up being 13 tapes released by MPI for the '91 Series. Though, as was mentioned before, it would be years before the DSR tape was actually released, despite several promised releasings of it coming and going. And it would be even more years before a soundtrack for the '91 Series would be released. And as one might recall, many '91 Series fans, while being extremely pleased that it came out, were fairly puzzled if not angered that it suddenly came out without any prior publicity that it was going to be released. Check out:Official Dark Shadows Resurrected Soundtrack!!!
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And I'm also going to share this full page ad from the second 1992 catalogue from MPI:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_92CAT.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_92CAT.jpg) for a 1747X2193 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Why that year there were two different MPI DS catalogues, who knows - well, unless it was to announce the release of the '91 series by MPI, something that wasn't known when the first 1992 catalogue came out...
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I forgot to mention yesterday, but no doubt it's already obvious to '91 Series' fans that one of the stills in the above ad is from a scene that was not part of the NBC version of the pilot but is included in the restored footage on MPI's release of the pilot. The scene was also referenced in some of the NBC promos, including the 2 minute trailer (http://www.dsboards.com/1991/2min_trailer.swf) at the 42 second mark.
(If your browser warns you that the trailer file may do harm, just ignore it because I can assure you that I put nothing in the file that will harm your computer/laptop/tablet/phone.)
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Continuing on the theme of the MPI tapes for the '91 Series, here's the ad for January from the MPI's 1993 catalogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Jan.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Jan.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And here's the ad for February from the MPI's 1993 catalogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Feb.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Feb.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And if you're interested, here's the cover (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Cover.jpg) of MPI's 1993 catalogue, the first to feature images from the '91 Series. (Notice how Collinwood is backwards. [ghost_rolleyes])
And if you're interested, here's the intro (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Intro.jpg) inside the catalogue.
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And continuing a bit more (up to April, the date of release of SG 64, which is the latestest one we're up to) here's the ad for March from the MPI's 1993 catalogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Mar.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Mar.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And here's the ad for April from the MPI's 1993 catalogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Apr.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Apr.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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Here's what SG #64 had to say about the trade paperback:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_1_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_5_2.jpg)
and here's the version of the cover that SG shared:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_5_4.jpg)
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Here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the two dialogue-less panels that help to explain how Nathan ended up on the scene - as well as the panel and bits of dialogue that were skipped in the slideshow...
One thing that's funny is with this scene Vicki has been with Barnabas three times within a matter of a few weeks where he's suddenly acted extremely odd and with little to no adequate explanation he's told her to go home (there's this scene in Book 2, Issue 2, there's the scene on Page 16 of Book 1, Issue 2, and there's the scene in Josette's room on the series in hour #4/Ep #3 on the MPI tapes and the DVD release). Thankfully only one of these types of scenes took place on the show, so it's easier to overlook. But if three incidents so close together really did exist, one has to wonder why Vicki didn't seriously consider throwing her hands in the air and giving up on Barnabas entirely. [ghost_wink] [ghost_grin] While each scene on its own is compelling, the comics really should have considered curtailing such scenes as a storytelling device. Though, of course, that would have required thoughtful editing, and well...
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And here's the thirty-second page, the only full page ad in Book 2, Issue 2 - and one which is a listing of several of the comics Innovation made available in May-June of 1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page32.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page32.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
In several ways it's similar to Page 28 in Book 2, Issue 1, shared in reply #63 on page 5 of this topic...
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And here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the panel and the bits of dialogue that weren't included in the slideshow...
Also note that it may be that beyond Angelique, the bird in Page 22, panel 6 seems to be observing Barnabas' actions. Who knows if they intended that to be significant or Jose Pimentel just liked to draw birds...
And this page concludes the story portion of Book 2, Issue 2 - and with that conclusion we now know how Barnabas strikes back, or at least how he starts to...
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It's hard to tell exactly what kind of bird that is but if it is a wren or a sparrow, they're usually not night birds. But perhaps they are a species unique to Collinsport. 😉😉😉
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I didn't even think of the fact that birds like that tend not to be awake and out at night in New England. That makes its appearance even curiouser...
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And here's the inside back cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- which is quite similar to the inside back cover for Book 2, Issue 1. There are changes. But if you look closely you'll see that they're mostly in the wrong places because it still says "Book Two #1" and "(Whole #5)" along with "[Chapter one of four.]" [ghost_rolleyes] Yet more things good editing should have caught, but...
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Either it's just plain carelessness or they knew that the company would eventually implode and just didn't care.
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And here's the back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Back Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Notice how Julia and Maggie were dropped from the back cover of Book 2, Issue 1 and replaced with Allie and Thenno for Book 2, Issue 2. Also, unlike Book 1, Book 2 has introduced new drawings for the four characters that carried over: Barnabas, Vicki, Willie, and Nathan...
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Here's the front cover of Book Two/Issue Three -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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Here's what SG #63 had to say about the cover for Book 2, Issue 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_5_9.jpg)
and here's the version of the cover that SG #64 shared:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_6_1.jpg)
Apparently Willie and David are beginning to have similar nightmares. Though I'd have to check to see who had it first...
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Apparently Willie and David are beginning to have similar nightmares. Though I'd have to check to see who had it first...
It's hard to say. Unlike Book 2, Issue 2, where its cover depicts Barnabas with Joshua's statue and within that issue's story Barnabas does go to Joshua's statue, within Book 2, Issue 3 Willie does not have a nightmare like the one depicted on its cover. One thing that is interesting, though, is that almost near the very end of Book 2, Issue 3 it recreates a scene that opens Hour 4 of the series - and it isn't until some scenes after that in Hour 4 that David has his nightmare. So, considering that the recreated scene in Book 2, Issue 3 takes place near its end and Willie's nightmare is the cover for the issue, one could put forth the hypothesis that Willie's nightmare precedes David's. But it's merely a hypothesis and will remain that way because there's no evidence anywhere within Book 2's story to prove or disprove it...
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And here's the inside cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And once again, don't be fooled by Maggie Thompson's signature and think that Book 2, Issue 3 came out in June 1993 because it didn't actually come out until August...
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Subscribers to the comics discovered this letter in the envelope with Book 2, Issue 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Letter.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Letter.jpg) for a 1649X2200 version)
Up to this point Ellen Jones was a name that hadn't been associated with Innovation or the DS comics.
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And here's the form with the coupon that's referenced in the letter:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Form.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Form.jpg) for a 1649X2200 version)
Notice that the graphics for the form include part of the graphics for the cover of the trade paperback. And there will be more about the trade paperback in a future SG post...
"TOTALLY FAITHFUL TO THE DARK SHADOWS SAGA" Uh huh...
"Witness the stories NBC will never show!" When it comes to Barrettstown, hopefully NBC would have had the good sense never to have approved it, much less to have shown it!!
They make it seem like subscribing to the comics using the coupon gives fans a discount. But the truth is the subscription price has always been $14 for 4 issues. And if you break it down that means subscriptions have always been discount 10% off the cover price. 10% off the $2.50 cover price would mean each issue would cost $2.25. $2.25 X 4 = $9 $1.25 X 4 = $5 for shipping and handling. And $9 + $5 = $14. And that even works out for the fans who were willing from the start to subscribe to three four issue books because $14 X 3 = $42. (Though considering it cost Innovation $0.75 to mail each issue, they were only making $0.50 on the handling per issue. And really it wasn't even that vs. the cover price because they'd discounted that $0.25, so they were actually only making $0.25 on the handling per each subscription issue.)
And speaking of pricing, considering the trade paperback was to include more material than had been included in Book 1's actual issues, it's quite interesting that they were only going to charge $9.75 for it - and that price included postage and handling...
And in a future SG post we'll be learning more about the gold foil, embossed cover versions of Book 2, Issue 1...
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Here's what little SG #65 from July 1993 had to say about the trade paperback:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_4_5.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_5_1.jpg)
Given Innovation's history, I'm sure no one is surprised it was postponed (especially given that Uncle Roger is pretty certain it never came out - chances are pretty good that it's yet something else that advance purchasers lost their money on - thankfully, I never ordered it). It will be a while before we actually get to SG #66 but I'll tease that I looked to see if it had any info as to why the trade paperback was postponed and the reason is quite interesting. But that's all I say for now...
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Totally faithful. I guess that depends on how you define faithful. [ghost_rolleyes]
I think it's almost a certainty that the paperback graphic never came out. If it had, we would have seen copies selling at inflated prices in the dealers room or an EBay. And one of the more enterprising fans would have found a way to pirate it at even higher prices.
What is interesting is that none of Innovation's licensed properties have ever been reprinted since the company folded. Certain ones like Quantum Leap are very much 1990's properties and maybe there simply isn't that level of interest in it today.
But DS, Interview With a Vampire, Nightmare on Elm Street and Child's Play have maintained a higher level of interest. The one exception that I'm aware of is that Bill Mumy was somehow able to get his Lost in Space epic Voyage to the Bottom of the Soul back so he could complete the story. I have no idea what kind of strings needed to be pulled for that to happen. There's probably a very gray area in regards to licensing. Innovation owns the printed material but doesn't own any of the properties. And Innovation owed tons of money to all sorts of people when it folded, so those people might be entitled to something if the books were reprinted.
According to Wikipedia, David Campiti left Innovation in 1993, about a year before the company imploded. He seems to have continued to work in the comics industry in a variety of different jobs. None of it very high profile.
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Totally faithful. I guess that depends on how you define faithful. [ghost_rolleyes]
True. I do think for the most part the comics are faithful to the characters (especially with this current Book 2). But staying faithful to the '91 Series' storyline is when things often go astray...
I think it's almost a certainty that the paperback graphic never came out. If it had, we would have seen copies selling at inflated prices in the dealers room or an EBay. And one of the more enterprising fans would have found a way to pirate it at even higher prices.
After reading the reason for the delay given in SG #66, I have my own theory of why the trade paperback quite possibly never came out. But I'll hold off until we get to sharing that part of SG #66...
What is interesting is that none of Innovation's licensed properties have ever been reprinted since the company folded. Certain ones like Quantum Leap are very much 1990's properties and maybe there simply isn't that level of interest in it today.
But DS, Interview With a Vampire, Nightmare on Elm Street and Child's Play have maintained a higher level of interest. The one exception that I'm aware of is that Bill Mumy was somehow able to get his Lost in Space epic Voyage to the Bottom of the Soul back so he could complete the story. I have no idea what kind of strings needed to be pulled for that to happen. There's probably a very gray area in regards to licensing. Innovation owns the printed material but doesn't own any of the properties. And Innovation owed tons of money to all sorts of people when it folded, so those people might be entitled to something if the books were reprinted.
All of that is quite interesting.
According to Wikipedia, David Campiti left Innovation in 1993, about a year before the company imploded. He seems to have continued to work in the comics industry in a variety of different jobs. None of it very high profile.
Yes, it's interesting that he left Innovation but he still remained closely involved in all the DS projects he'd started while he was there.
Considering Campiti founded Innovation, what would really be interesting would be the reason(s) why he left. But I've never seen anything reported on that front...
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Here's the first page of Book 2, Issue 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the missing dialogue (particularly Vicki's "voiceover," which is nearly nonexistent) and the panels (which depict Barnabas' attack on Nathan) that weren't included in the slideshow.
Would DC have allowed the attack on Nathan to have played on the series in the way it does in the comic? Given his aversion to a male on male attack actually being shown, well, unless the attack resulted in death, it's probably doubtful. Nathan doesn't die in the attack. And just look at the way he stares at Barnabas. And then there's the line from Page 2 that appears in today's slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0622ds91_1.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 2 - Barnabas: '--HE IS MINE,
NOW!'
Quite possibly all enough to give DC agita. [ghost_wink]
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Wikipedia says that Campiti resigned to from his own company called Glass House Graphics, which appears to be an international agency for artists in various media. The company is still active.
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I knew Campiti formed Glass House Graphics because that's mentioned in SG. But did he need to resign from Innovation to do it, especially considering he remained active in all of his Innovation projects? Maybe there would have been a conflict of interest if he had remained with Innovation while also representing many of its artists and making their artwork available to the public? But perhaps there wouldn't have been a conflict because while he was still at Innovation and before he formed Glass House Graphics he seemed to already be representing the artists and making their artwork available to the public - or at least pointing people into the direction where they could purchase the artwork. Who knows? It just seems like there may be more to his resignation than meets the eye. But perhaps I'm just reading more into it than there was...
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I tried researching the downfall of Innovation Comics and just kept getting directed to the same Wikipedia articles. The internet was around in the 1993/94 period but was still in its early stages, so documentation of what happened is sparse at best.
This is all theory on my part. And should be regarded as such.
Innovation Comics came out of nowhere and, in a relatively short time, became the fourth best selling comic publisher in the market. Behind Marvel, DC and Dark Horse. And, just as quickly, the company was filing for bankruptcy. So what happened? Quite a bit.
Comics went through a huge resurgence in the early part of the 1990's. Comics were hot. People who normally didn't purchase comics were buying multiple copies of everything in sight with the idea that they would become as valuable as Action #1. That didn't happen. Those buyers left the market and sales reflected that. Diehard comic readers, like myself, got frustrated by the erratic publishing schedule of the independent publishers. Distribution was often erratic as well. Now, the irregular schedule might have been okay with self contained stories but not with serialized ones. If issue #1 came out in February and #2 which was supposed to be out the following month but doesn't actually come out until October, that sends out a bad message. It shows that, for whatever reason, the publisher is unreliable. The story loses momentum and the reader loses interest. This was particularly true with the Barrettstown saga. It was very difficult to keep track of what was going on. The pacing of the story dragged. It didn't need four issues.
Innovation was big on having painted artwork in all of their comics, rather than the traditional pen and ink art. It worked for some of their books but not all. I am not an artist or a painter, so I have no idea how long it took to complete the art for a single book. But I would not be surprised if it contributed to further delays.
Which brings us to 1993. If the company went belly up in 1994, the writing had to be on the wall for a while. The creators, printers and investors were probably asking for their money for some time. And who would know the situation better than the man in charge? Again, pure speculation on my part. But by resigning his position and becoming a consultant might have lessened his legal obligations to Innovation's creditors. I don't think that Campiti ever filed for personal bankruptcy
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Sadly, your pure speculation is pretty much the same as mine. But even though there's circumstantial evidence to support it, who knows? Circumstantial evidence isn't always correct. The truth could be very different and completely lacking in any motivations that might put the resignation in a less than stellar light...
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It's very nice to see lit candles at the Old House again:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0623ds91_0.jpg)
Numerous lit candles at the Old House were a part of almost every scene on the series. They always made the scenes very atmospheric. But when it comes to Book 2 we haven't seen so much as even one lit candle in a panel since the scene depicted on Page 13 of Issue 2 - and before that we hadn't seen them since Page 2/3 in Issue 1. Unlike E. Silas Smith, who included them in numerous panels for Book 1, apparently Jose Pementel didn't like including them in his drawings for Book 2.
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Another point that I meant to mention: what makes a good Dark Shadows story does not necessarily make a good comic book story. Both the Innovation and Dynamite books feature a higher amount of blood than either version of the television incarnation. Which is fine if what you're doing is a pure horror book. But the comics never really captured the romance and the unique tone of Dark Shadows in general. Jonathan Frid best described it as a dark Brigadoon.
And, lastly, a lot of the Innovation material comes off as somewhat of a vanity project. I was never all that invested in the idea that Josette's music box was supposed to be created as Angelique's way of cursing the Collins family indefinitely. While I have always been intrigued by Julia's past, her link to Barrettstown was not what I was expecting. So Julia is descended from a family of witches that may be connected to Angelique. That struck me as a cheap gimmick and robbed Julia of what made her character unique. Her humanity. An origin for Angelique? Potentially interesting. Her mother? Not so much.
It just seems like Campiti and company were giving readers what they wanted them to have, not what the readers actually were interested in. I know that I have mentioned this before but I wanted to see some kind of resolution to the NBC cliffhanger. If Innovation had been on any kind of schedule (a big if), they wouldn't have gotten around to addressing that until 1994 or 1995. By which point, no one would have remembered and possibly not care.
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Considering Book 1 featured the '91 Series' tag line, "A Love Story Beyond Time," it came up with very little romance on its own. Most of the romance in Book 1 was simply recreations of scenes from the series. And as much as I prefer Book 2, so far romance in it is practically nonexistent. Up to this point Vicki and Barnabas haven't kissed once. Vicki has actually spent more quality time with Willie than she has with Barnabas. And the last time we saw Vicki with Barnabas he was ordering her to go home. But I haven't reread all of Book 2, Issue 3 or any of Issue 4, so romance might be forthcoming...
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I forgot to comment that the statement that -
The internet was around in the 1993/94 period but was still in its early stages, so documentation of what happened is sparse at best.
- is an understatement! 1994 was the year I logged onto the Internet for the first time and it was a vastly different place than it is today. Even the ways to log on/interact were vastly different. Many outlets were purely text based, like the Usenet newsgroups - though people also gathered on services like AOL or Prodigy or Compuserve - but all of those services have gone the way of the dinosaurs, leaving little to nothing of themselves behind. So, even if the situation with Innovation had been thoroughly discussed at the time, it's not likely that any of it could be tracked down today.
To put the differences between 1994 and now in an even greater perspective, the computer language that the forum's system is written in (and which thousands of today's most popular Web sites are also written in) didn't even exist in 1994...
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Here are the second and third pages:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Pages2-3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Pages2-3.jpg) for a 2656X1996 version)
Note the skipped panel and dialogue on Page 3. Not to mention all the lit candles, which make for a very atmospheric layout. Jose Pimentel finally gets it...
It's also the first time there's been a white rim at the top and bottom - all the other title spreads have been full page...
Also, for some reason Page 3 scanned with a lot of red tint to it. I don't know if my scanner freaked because there's so much red in the page, though there's an upcoming page where the same thing happened and there isn't all that much red in the page. It could also be something about the way the pages were printed. But regardless, I was able to correct it during post-scanning processing and Page 3 appears as it does in the issue...
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Here's what SG #65 from July of 1993 had to say about the comics in general:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_4_4.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_5_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_5_7.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_5_8.jpg)
It's very interesting that there was indeed a segment on QVC for the comics.
Though what's even more interesting is that either an unknown amount of the gold foil, embossed copies of Book 2, Issue 1 were left unsold on QVC or Innovation held copies of them separate from the 4000 offered on QVC so that they could entice people, via the form I shared in reply #168, to subscribe to the comics for a chance to get one as part of their subscriptions. However, given that only 1 out of every 100 subscribers would receive the gold foil, embossed version, who knows how many subscribers Innovation was hoping to attract with the offer?
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Those foil covers were a big gimmick around that. To me, it just seemed to an excuse to get people to buy more than one issue to get the special cover. I bought one of the Vampirella ones but that was about it.
Until you posted it, MB, I don't think that I was aware that QVC had a comic book show. Maybe some shrewd filmmaker will adapt that as a sequel to the Jennifer Lawrence vehicle Joy. [ghost_rolleyes] [ghost_rolleyes] [ghost_rolleyes]
Did anyone get a copy of the gold embossed DS book?
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Until you posted it, MB, I don't think that I was aware that QVC had a comic book show. ...
Did anyone get a copy of the gold embossed DS book?
I wasn't aware of it either. Obviously back in the day I'd read about it in SG but apparently it made no lasting impression. Though even if I had known about it and was aware of the day in June when they would have been offering the gold foil, embossed version of Book 2, Issue 1, unless the segment had been on at night, I wouldn't have been able to take advantage because I would have been at work during the day, as would have been the case with all of my friends. Though there might have been one possibility because I have a friend who back then was a principal at a local grammar school, so she might have been off if the segment had aired in mid-to-late June. However she would have had to have had knowledge the segment was coming or was on, and that seems very unlikely because she knows what a DS fan I am and she would have told me. And chances are she wouldn't have even stumbled upon it by chance because, even though she shopped QVC, the only time of year that she would shop there was during their Christmas in July promotion. If only the segment had been on in July - but alas... Although, all that being said, I highly doubt I would have paid $25 for a copy even if I had known.
All of this got me to wondering whether or not the gold foil, embossed version of Book 2, Issue 1 had ever been sold somewhere online. I mean one would think so. But the only things that came up for me in a Goggle search were these two offers:
DARK SHADOWS 1991 SERIES COMIC BOOK SET #'S 1 - 9 (OF 9) + BONUS ~ INNOVATION CO (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dark-shadows-1991-series-comic-book-1728403942)
Dark Shadows Book 2 1-B (http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/item/7cbbda0f-90a6-4357-beb2-b26d23bc5a11/Dark-Shadows-Book-2-1-Gold-Embossed-Signed-J-Pimintel-H-Gomez-14000)
With the first its part of the full bundle of DS Innovation comics that were offered. With the second it's on its own. However, it's too bad that neither seems to indicate when they were offered or if they sold.
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As you know, normally I don't post the letters column pages until after any graphics on them have already been shared on the pages of the comic. However, the graphic on the first page of letters in Book 2, Issue 3, has a copy of a graphic that won't show up until Page 21, and I don't want to wait that long to start to share the column. Plus,the first page also shares more writing from Maggie Thompson and she offers some interesting comments. So here's the first page of the letters column (the twenty-fifth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Also, if we can judge by the graphic, it looks like there may be some future romance in Issue 3 after all. But only time will tell...
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I don't recall seeing the gold embossed cover in the dealer's room at any of the festivals. But, since I didn't know that such a thing even existed, I may have just bypassed it. Compared to the specialty covers that other companies were doing at the time, this is pretty lackluster.
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Here's what SG #65 had to say about the MPI VHS tapes for the '91 Series and a few other things:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_6_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_7_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_7_2.jpg)
Note the boo-boo at the start of what SG says about the first release from MPI - MPI actually released the first 2 hours in October of 1992, not the first 4.
And here's the ad for the Ben Cross Barnabas T-shirt as it appeared in MPI's 1993 catalogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/BC_B_T.jpg)
There was nothing about the 25th Anniversary poster in the catalogue. And, given how JF reacted to having footage of his one man show included in the 25th Anniversary VHS tape without his permission, I can just imagine how "thrilled" he must have been once he discover his image was being used for that poster...
I bought all the '91 Series MPI tapes at Suncoast and I have a copy of their DS mini-catalogue, but I don't believe there's really anything in it regarding the '91 Series. Though I will check once I can track it down...
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And continuing with more of the ads for the '91 Series tapes from the MPI's 1993 catalogue, here's the ad for May:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_May.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_May.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
(Even though they went further than the '91 Series when it came to Barnabas' attack on Nathan in the Innovation comic, why do I suspect we won't be seeing anything like that shot of Barnabas and Carolyn should Barnabas attack Nathan again? [ghost_grin])
And here's the ad for June from the MPI's 1993 catalogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Jun.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Jun.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And I was correct. The only thing the Suncoast mini-catalogue says about the '91 Series tapes is that they're available.
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I think that I might take those glowing remarks about MPI a bit more seriously if they were coming from a source other than an MPI press release.
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Here's the fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page4.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the missing dialogue and the panel that the slideshow skipped...
And why all the sudden mention of Daphne? Well, it's reminding plus setting the foundation for future story in the comic...
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Oops - even though I uploaded today's correct quote, I forgot to upload its corresponding scan. [ghost_embarrassed] And normally I would have caught that hours ago before I went to bed, but the last time I checked the forum before I went to bed I was in flashed-back time, so yesterday's scan was still showing up.
But anyway, if you're not seeing this pairing on the BoardIndex page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0629ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 5 - Willie: '--SHE WAS FROM
COLLINWOOD, AN' BARNABAS... HE--*' Willie: 'WELL, HE
DID LIKE HE DOES.'
- you need to clear your browser's cache. [ghost_smiley]
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Here's the second page of the letters column (the twenty-sixth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
This one contains a graphic of Barnabas from Page 2, which we've already seen - but it also contains a graphic of Nathan from Page 6, which we haven't seen yet. And for the most part people continue to discuss Book 1, Issue 4. Not having looked beyond what I'm posting, it will be interesting to see if we ever start to get feedback on Book 2...
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A monthly book? [ghost_cheesy] Seriously, most of the time they couldn't manage bimonthly.
There seems to be a mistaken impression that retailers were reluctant to stock the book because of content. Not so. I remember seeing some pretty poor quality books in my local comic book store back then. Dealers were reluctant to carry a lot of the "independent" comics because of too many publishing delays. And, unless the store had a large display, stores were more likely to use that space for product that actually sold. Some comics were returnable if they were left unsold. Some were not. If a store ordered 20 copies and sold two, they were stuck with the inventory and out the money that they paid upfront.
Some stores would special order stuff. Some would not. The distributor sometimes placed a minimum of copies that could be ordered. No problem with Batman or Spiderman but quite another matter of a title like DS.
And, Innovation was not paying its bills, that's a very good reason for people not to want to do business with them.
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A monthly book? [ghost_cheesy] Seriously, most of the time they couldn't manage bimonthly.
Exactly! But Kay Kelly must have written that back when Issue 1 and Issue 2 of Book 2 actually mailed on April 14th and May 17th, respectively - and after Campiti claimed they were going to be on a monthly release schedule from then on. Foolish Kay for believing him! Little did she know Issue 3 wouldn't mail until August 16th!
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Here's SG #65's update on the AKI Barnabas models:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_4_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_4_2.jpg)
I tried searching for the box of the second Ben Cross model, but all I could come up with was the box for the first one:
DARK SHADOWS BARNABAS COLLINS RESIN MODEL KIT - ACTION INTERNATIONAL - RARE (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dark-shadows-barnabas-collins-resin-1721698486)
Also, I'd forgotten that I have these two images of the first model:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/model-bencross1-2.jpg)(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/model-bencross1-1.jpg)
They show it off a lot better than the ad in the comics (see reply #273 on Page 19 in the "Boardindex Page Montage/aka 'Book 1'?" topic) did...
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Here's the third page of the letters column (the twenty-seventh page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page27.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page27.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
This one contains a graphic of Nathan from Page 5, which is also today's graphic in the slideshow - but it also contains a graphic of Barnabas from Page 7, which we haven't seen yet. And we finally get some feedback on Book 2 - feedback I couldn't agree more with...
And speaking of feedback, I have to say I also couldn't agree more with Libby Singleton regarding how Willie should be perceived, as well as what Scott has to say. And it seems quite true that Willie may indeed be the only character in fiction to actually benefit from a vampire bite.
Also, anyone who may have doubted Uncle Roger's claim that Nathan's look is based on actor Roger Rees will have to lose any doubts now that Scott Rockwell confirms it in his second response on this page...
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Here's the fifth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the missing dialogue and the panels that the slideshow skipped...
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Is it just me or is it more than a bit fascinating how similarly Daphne's portion of her staking is depicted in Book 1 and Book 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page23_Panel5.jpg)
E. Silas Smith - Book 1, Issue 1, Page 23, Panel 5
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page6_Panel2.jpg)
Jose Pimentel - Book 2, Issue 3, Page 6, Panel 2
It's almost as if Jose Pimentel used E. Silas Smith's version as more than simply a guide. But no, one artist wouldn't copy another artist's work, even if a few changes were made here and there, right? [ghost_wink]
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Here's the sixth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page6.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the few bits of dialogue that the slideshow skipped...
And I know it's easy to tell, especially because of the dialogue, that the panels featuring Daphne are depicting events that happened previously, but I did like how E. Silas Smith made things like that even clearer by the way he didn't use straight edges with the panels, as can be seen in his panel of Daphne's staking that I shared above...
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The most exciting thing in SG #65 (July 1993) was probably this:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_1_1.jpg)
Sadly, through a set of unfortunate circumstances, the project never came to be. Though SG did share updates/details in subsequent issues. And one thing DC did point to as a selling point for the films was how there was still interest in the '91 Series because the Innovation comics were selling so well...
I didn't join the Prodigy service until April of 1994, so I missed out on all but the very end of that excitement online. But it was definitely quite exciting (and frustrating) to read updates in SG, all of which I'll be sharing in upcoming posts...
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So, four people make up a triangle?
You know, I think it's just as well that the movies didn't come off as planned. No matter how many twists and turns you add to the story, it's still the same story that was told on NBC. As well as that making it four times for the same basic storyline.
And good old DC never seemed to realize that the actors had moved on to other things and could rightfully expect a higher salary than they received on the series.
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So, four people make up a triangle?
It was the new Math. [ghost_wacko]
You know, I think it's just as well that the movies didn't come off as planned. No matter how many twists and turns you add to the story, it's still the same story that was told on NBC. As well as that making it four times for the same basic storyline.
When I heard about the proposed movies my first thought after finding out that DC had co-written the script was "Oh, great - yet another retelling of hoDS!" But then it came out that someone else (I prefer not to say who quite yet) was also involved and bringing a fresh take to things. As more details came out, some might even say that the movies seemed like they may have had even a radical take on things. And if one reads the announcement carefully that might have already been able to be gleaned as the first film would have ended in "tragedy for Barnabas," as in a possible death? And with the second film it appeared as if Vicki would somehow deliberately go into the past to change the course of history to save Barnabas, possibly meaning she had somehow learned he was a vampire and had been cursed in the past? If that actually was to take place, can you imagine an ending to the second film along the lines in the present of an actual Barnabas descendant arriving at Collinwood as a real long-lost cousin from England and not as a vampire using that cover? But who knows? Only the first script was ever written, and so far as I'm aware even that one has never surfaced publicly...
And good old DC never seemed to realize that the actors had moved on to other things and could rightfully expect a higher salary than they received on the series.
Surprisingly enough given that all too often DC operated by the seat of his pants, before he announced the proposed movies DC checked with the actors to make sure they were interested. They all said they were - though some said depending on the script. But apparently the script met with their approval.
And as far as actors' availability goes, I believe only Joanna Going and Roy Thinnes had new continuing roles in '93. However, Going's series Going to Extremes got canceled, and though Thinnes was appearing as Sloan Carpenter on One Life to Live, he expected to be able to work around that.
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Here's the fourth page of the letters column (the twenty-eighth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page28.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page28.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
This one contains three various panels depicting Julia from upcoming Page 9.
And we get to read a letter from "Pinky" Perrotta. If you don't remember who that is, she was mentioned on the fifth (the last) page (page thirty-one) of the letters column in Book 2, Issue 2 - and Uncle Roger questioned if there was ever any kind of screw up with her name. If you've been observant, you can see that there has been. But so far no one from Innovation has acknowledged what it actually was. Perhaps on the fifth (the last) page (page twenty-nine) of this issue's letters column...
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Here's the seventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
You'll notice a slight green tint to the page's border and separations. That was caused when I corrected how the panels on the page, like Page 3, were printed with too much of a red tint. But I figured better to have the panels look correct than to worry about slightly green border and separations.
And note the small bits of dialogue that the slideshow skipped...
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It wasn't until I noticed this -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_4_3.jpg)
- in SG #65 from July of 1993 that I realized that Abbelare Inc. offered a discount on the two watches based on the '91 Series. Here's the announcement from SG #64 from April of 1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_4_2.jpg)
Perhaps if Abbelare had continued to advertise the watches in the Innovation comics, Innovation would have gotten in on the discount deal too. But considering the ad for the watches never appeared in the Innovation comics after Book 1, Issue 4, which came out in February of 1993, we'll never know...
It'll be interesting to see if the discount is still continued once we get to SG #66...
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I just realized that the portrait of Josette in today's graphic in the slideshow -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0713ds91_0.jpg)
- is incorrect. That's the portrait that was used in the pilot. But once the '91 DS went to series, they'd created a different portrait - the same portrait that's featured in the article on Page 27 of Book 1, Issue 1:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page27_1.jpg)
I swear it's as if they deliberately make these goofs to see how many people will notice. Or at least that's a better alternative to the editors being completely incompetent...
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I was moderately interested in getting the watches at the time. They were well made and the Barnabas turning into a vampire idea was quite clever. But they were rather expensive at the time, so I ultimately passed on them.
Was any reason ever given as to why the Angelique one played Love Story instead of Josette's theme or something by Robert Cobert?
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Here's the eighth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Again a page that would normally be a full page but doesn't fully extend to the sides and has a margin at the top and bottom.
And it's another of the very few pages in the comics where all the dialogue is featured in the slideshow...
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Considering that two of the panels on Page 9 are skipped in the slideshow because they don't contain any dialogue, it's good that they're featured on the fourth page of the letters column and that I've already shared that page because the panels are needed to fully explain what's happening in today's entry in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0715ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 9 - Julia: '...BLESS TO OUR
PURPOSES: THAT THE INJURED SHALL BE MADE WHOLE,
THAT THE SUFFERING SHALL BE COMFORTED, THAT...'
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Here's the nineth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And again a page where all its dialogue has been used in the slideshow. But then, there are only two panels with dialogue...
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Here's the fifth (last) page of the letters column (the twenty-nineth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page29.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page29.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
The top panel on this one is from upcoming Page 15 - and the bottom panel is from upcoming Page 16. And though the panels may not convey it, those are two rather pivotal pages in the story.
And once again not all the text scans the same color even though it's all blue in the issue. Who knows? And it comes out the same way no matter how I orient the page in the scanner.
Needless to say, I don't side with Mr. Olson's belief that people shouldn't point out "flaws." Sure, complaining about the amount of candles in a candelabra could come off as "ridiculous" (though we only have David Campiti's word for that complaint because no such letter was ever published), but complaining about things that fly in the face of story established as canon on the '91 Series when they continually insist they are completely staying within the series' canon does not.
And sadly, we never got to see Book 4 (issues 13 through 16). We'll never know how very different/very similar it would have been to Angelique's Descent. Though if Book 4 had been published, there probably never would have been an Angelique's Descent...
Also, nothing at all about the "Pinky" Perrotta screw up. Maybe they were hoping no one would notice...
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I vaguely remember David Hofstede from a column that ran for a few issues in The World of Dark Shadows where he reviewed videos that featured DS alumni.
One thing that I noticed about the letter column is that I recognized very few of the names from all my years in fandom. I never wrote in to the DS comic, or any other comic, to be honest. Maybe the majority of the letters published came from people whose only involvement with DS was the comic book?
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Aside from names I recognize from ShadowGram, fanzines or the Fests, I don't recognize half of the names either. But then, that doesn't necessarily mean that back in the early '90s they weren't active in fandom, only that normally they might have kept to themselves. Also, back then the '91 Series had often been greatly (and sometimes unfairly) criticized in the fanzines, so if you came to DS via that show, you wouldn't necessarily want to write into a fanzine and have people jump all over you - the comics were safer...
Thankfully the appreciation for the '91 Series has increased through the years. Though in some corners it's still the ugly stepchild...
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And here's the tenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And this is one of the rarer instances where probably around half of the dialogue wasn't used in the slideshow...
I wish I knew why the snakes are so attracted to the sisters, but when I tried to research it online, I came up with nothing. Yet snakes and Gorgons seem very closely tied and it's not just the snakes for hair. I mean, you even see the close connection in things like The Weekend/Daft Punk video for I Feel It Coming.
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I thought that the Gorgon family dynamic was handled better in Neil Gaiman's Sandman epic The Kindly Ones.
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Unfortunately I've never read The Kindly Ones. Though considering that its primary focus was probably on the Gorgons and its story most likely went on for several issues whereas the Gorgons are simply a subplot in this 4 issue comic, it's no surprise that this comic probably suffers by comparison.
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The concept of a female trinity occurred throughout the Sandman series. They were never the main characters but would show up periodically to impart some pivotal information to a character at a crossroads. Sometimes they were DC horror hostesses, Mordred, Mildred and Cynthia. Sometimes as the Hecateae. Sometimes as the Gorgons or the Furies. Sometimes simply as Maiden, Mother and Crone. And at least once as Diana, Mary and Florence.
The Sandman series is a comic book for people who don't normally read comic books. A multi layered, well written story that improves with every reading.
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Continuing with more of the ads for the '91 Series tapes from the MPI's 1993 catalogue, here's the ad for July -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Jul.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Jul.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- and it just so happens that tape was released 26 years ago today.
And it's interesting to keep in mind that when it comes to the scene between Barnabas and Angelique at the end of Ep #7's 2nd Act that scene played somewhat differently on NBC than it does on the MPI VHS and the Sony DVD. There's more deep breathing in the NBC version. And, well, more of something else on the VHS/DVD. [hall2_grin] Check out each version:
NBC:
VHS:
Who knows why neither MPI or Sony have ever acknowledged the differences?
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I just realized (after I checked the forum with my phone) that not all browsers are showing the above videos (especially phone browsers). So, I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see how I can remedy that...
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Apparently some browsers are very picky. First I was able to create videos with picture in all browsers but no sound in some, then sound in all but no picture in some - but I think I've finally hit on the right format for picture and sound in most if not all - even on my phone.
Now the next step is figuring out how to display the videos. I'd like to display them in a post, and SMF has a Mod for that, but it's an old Mod, so it may not be compatible with the forum's current system. We'll see. But if worse comes to worse, because I've already experimented with it, I know I can display them in a new page and all I need do to do that is provide the link to the page...
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The Mod works. Now I just have to make some cosmetic changes to the posting page...
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The two new button on the posting page are displaying and working. But, while the videos play fine and the resizing feature works fine, the autoplay feature and the loop feature don't. So, in other words, right now the videos start on their own and continue to play unless you specifically pause them, and even that would be aggravating every time you come to the page on the form that they appear on. So, I'm going to try to see what the Mod writer might have done wrong...
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OK, reply #218 has been edited to use the Mod for the video files. And they will not autoplay and they will not loop.
Happy viewing...
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Here's the eleventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the dialogue and panels that were not included in the slideshow...
Apparently Willie's childhood was not the best. But I suspect that doesn't come as a surprise to anyone who watched the '91 Series...
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Today's installment in the slideshow will become clearer once Page 12 is posted. But for now I'll mention that in today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0727ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 12/Flashback - Nathan: '"I
LEARNED WHAT TO SAY AND HOW TO SAY IT, HOW AND
WHERE TO GET FOOD AND CLOTHES AND LIVE LONG
ENOUGH IN ONE PLACE TO GET ENOUGH TO GET
SOMEWHERE ELSE--'
- Nathan explains how he survived after leaving home when he was in the seventh grade...
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Here's the twelfth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the dialogue and panels that were not included in the slideshow. They help to fill in Nathan's background...
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Here's the thirteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the few bits of skipped dialogue and just one skipped panel...
And I wish I could come up with a good reason for Willie's dialogue to keep jumping back and forth between "Jeez" and "Geez" - but I can't. We dealt with it back in Issue 2, and now here we're faced with it again in Issue 3. Willie said "Geez" back on Page 10 in the bottom left panel - and now on this page he's back to "Jeez" in the top left panel. I suppose we're just going to have to accept that it's going to continue jumping back and forth without any rhyme or reason...
Also, who knows why so many panels are skewed on their pages lately? Though I suppose it's a minor thing - particularly if it simply happens when the issues are put together.
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Did Willie shave between panels? He seems to have a mustache and stubble in the first two panels. But he appears relatively clean shaven in the lower left hand panel. Since it's a closer shot, shouldn't there be more detail?
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Oops - even though I uploaded today's correct quote, I forgot to upload its corresponding scan. [ghost_embarrassed] And normally I would have caught that hours ago before I went to bed, but, bad MB, last night I didn't check the forum before I went to bed.
But anyway, if you're not seeing this pairing on the BoardIndex page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0807ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 14 - Willie: 'MIZ STODDARD
SAID I COULD BORROW THIS TARGET PISTOL MR.
STODDARD USED TA USE. YOU S'POSE I COULD HAVE A
LITTLE PIECE OF NUT LOAF?'
- you need to clear your browser's cache. [ghost_smiley]
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Since it's a closer shot, shouldn't there be more detail?
Another of the endless mysteries at Collinwood. [ghost_wink]
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Did Willie shave between panels? He seems to have a mustache and stubble in the first two panels. But he appears relatively clean shaven in the lower left hand panel. Since it's a closer shot, shouldn't there be more detail?
He'd just been eating a candy bar and was pretty messy (which I'd figure), and wiped his mouth on his sleeve sometime between panels.
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And there we have it - the perfect explanation, KMR! [ghost_wink]
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Hmm - with today's graphic it seems like Nathan has been -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0810ds91_0.jpg)
- watching original DS' Ep #250:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/ds_0250-510.jpg)(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/ds_0250-100.jpg)
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Obviously, Willie has changed a lot since he became involved with Barnabas. But has he changed enough for Elizabeth to trust him with a target pistol?
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That's a good question that I didn't even think of. But maybe we're supposed to presume that Liz might feel that now that Barnabas oversees Willie, there wouldn't be a problem - and as we'll see once Page 14 gets posted, it seems as if Barnabas made the request. Though as we've already seen in the slideshow, Mrs. Johnson is none too keen on the idea of Willie having the gun...
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Here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the skipped dialogue that helps to explain Willie's reasoning for wanting the gun (though after Page 13, we can suspect why he really wants it) and the one skipped panel...
And it may be a miracle: two consecutive uses of "Jeez" (the first panel on Page 13 and the first panel here) rather than alternating between "Jeez" and "Geez"...
Also, note that Willie's mustache shadow is back. But then we don't really know how much time passed between the scene between Willie and Nathan on Page 13 and the scene here on this page...
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Maybe rather than getting a gun, Willie should have focused on making the doors at the Old House break in proof -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0812ds91_0.jpg)
- Julia, no accounts Pete and Fred, and now Nathan seem to have no trouble getting in...
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Here's the fifteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another page where all the dialogue and all the panels were used in the slideshow. But then, there are only three panels...
And again a page that would normally be a full page but doesn't fully extend to the sides and has a margin at the top and bottom.
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And here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And opposite of the previous page, this page has quite a few panels and bits of dialogue that weren't used in the slideshow...
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Given yesterday's and today's installments in the slideshow -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0816ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 17 - Nathan: 'I-- CAN'T--
IT'S--* NO! MILLICENT COLLINS! WHAT HAVE I DONE?'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0817ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 17 - Nathan: 'D-DREAMS,
WILLIE! IT'S BARNABAS'S DREAMS! HORRIBLE DREAMS!'
- it's interesting that they're establishing that Barnabas dreams even though they'd already done that in Book 1 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0823ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 15 - Julia's Journal:
'NOTE: Does B. dream?'
Book1, Issue3, Page16:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page16.jpg)
- and it's even more interesting that at first in Book 2 they tried to establish that Barnabas doesn't dream -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0811ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 15 - Nathan: 'STILL NO
DREAMS, BARNABAS?'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0812ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 15 - Nathan: 'DOESN'T
SEEM FAIR. YOU'VE GIVEN NIGHTMARES TO SO MANY.'
- but apparently Nathan was simply wrong in his initial impression, which may mean Barnabas isn't continually dreaming while he's resting in his coffin.
What's also interesting is that apparently Barnabas dreams about the same events over and over because both examples of his dreams involve his attack on Millicent in 1790...
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Here's the seventeenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the several pieces of dialogue and panels that weren't used in the slideshow...
And when it comes to the 4th panel, who knows how Jose Pimentel confused the entrance to Barnabas' coffin room in the Old House's cellar with the entrance to the crypt in the mausoleum. But then...
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Why does Barnabas look so horrified in today's graphic in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0823ds91_0.jpg)
That's a very good question. Though we won't get a clue until Page 18 is posted tomorrow...
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I'll bet he just found out how much it costs to buy popcorn, a candy bar and a soda at the movies.
Gerard
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[pointing-up] That's a good one!! [ghost_wink] [ghost_grin]
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Here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the panel and the bits of dialogue that weren't used in the slideshow...
And what do we think has Barnabas so horrified: watching La Belle Et La Bête(the 1946 French version of Beauty and the Beast), watching The Univited - or maybe it really is the price of popcorn, a candy bar and a soda...
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Interesting that Collinsport has so few places for social gatherings other than the Blue Whale but seems to have something as esoteric as a revival house
Barnabas, at least the Frid Barnabas, would have had that reaction if they had been screening The Collector.
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I think maybe what Victoria had heard (before she went to Collinsport) was that the town had what was effectively a revival theater. But since Collinsport sometimes seems to be in kind of its own weird time warp, maybe everybody thinks these are current movies?
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I'm thinking it's the brilliant special-effects scenes of the evil ghost in The Uninvited. For those who've seen the film, the spirit looks like a dead ringer for Angeliques' spook in the '91 series.
When it comes to the cost of the movie popcorn, candy-bar and soda, Barnabas managed to convince everyone to go Dutch treat. He didn't have enough of Naomi's jewels on him to buy a round.
Gerard
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And, no, you're not seeing things in today's graphics for the slideshow. That really is Joe:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0824ds91_0.jpg)
He finally makes more than a passing appearance in the comics - and he's the last of the major characters to do so. And it's about time...
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One of the things I am most impressed with when it comes to Book 2 is that Joe's plot fits in very well with and expands upon what was presented on the '91 Series.
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0825ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 19 - Joe: '"SLEEP." WHEN I
SLEEP, I KNOW HORRIBLE THINGS WILL HAPPEN AND
WHEN I'M AWAKE, IT'S NO DIFFERENT.'
Joe expresses a similar sentiment in '91 Series' hour 4 in the scene in which Carolyn checks on him out on Collinwood's terrace. And as we'll see as we make our way through Pages 18 and 19, Maggie Thompson picks up on that scene and fleshes it out in satisfying ways. Though as I mentioned before, I do have a quibble in that in the scene on the series, it is strongly implied that Joe has been continually haunted by his time spent being treated at Collinwood and he can't wait to get away because he feels trapped there, but Book 2 has this panel in Issue 1 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0115ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue One/Page 6 - Vicki: '"CAROLYN WANTED
TO CHEER UP JOE, SO THEY TOOK DAVID TO PORTLAND
TO GO CHRISTMAS SHOPPING--'
- and that would certainly seem to fly in the face of what Joe establishes in hour 4. And someone will actually point that out in a letter the comics share in an upcoming letters column. Though, of course, as is mostly the case when any conflicts with the series are pointed out, the complaint is brushed away like it doesn't contradict the series. Big surprise, huh? Not! And it's not even a case that one could argue that, well, Carolyn must have made plans for Joe to get away from Collinwood by having him drive her and David to go Christmas shopping. And the reason that is is because there's a scene coming up on Page 22 of Issue 3 that's a recreation of a scene that takes place in hour 4 of the series and it takes place in that hour before Joe's scene on the terrace...
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If Carolyn really wanted to do something to help Joe, she should have invited him to spend Christmas with the family at Collinwood. I hope that she did.
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Well, Joe was already there at Christmas because his entire treatment by Julia took place at Collinwood. Why we didn't see him, who knows? Perhaps he wasn't up to the Christmas Eve gathering they had to decorate? But then, Julia wasn't seen during that gathering either. And if Joe wasn't up to it, then he sure as hell shouldn't have been out driving that day. One thing we have learned from the current scene is that apparently there were setbacks in his treatment...
Joe may have taken part in the actual Christmas Day events. Who knows - we didn't see any of that period of time because Issue 2 jumped from Christmas Eve right to December 26th...
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And continuing with more of the ads for the '91 Series tapes from the MPI's 1993 catalogue, here's the ad for August -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Aug.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Aug.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- and it just so happens that tape was released 26 years ago today...
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Thanks to the second graphic in today's slideshow we actually get to see the living Daphne in a flashback:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0828ds91_1.jpg)
Previously we'd only seen VampDaph. And from those drawings I'd actually wondered if Rebecca Staab had licensed her image for the comics because I didn't think they resembled her all that well. But today's definitely does. So apparently she did...
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And here's the nineteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Because this page appeared for five days in the slideshow, one might presume all the panels and dialogue were showcased, but now that it's been posted, obviously that isn't the case. Note the panel and the bits of dialogue that weren't used in the slideshow...
Also, obviously Jose Pimentel studied Michael T. Wiess' performances because in the 4th panel he perfectly captures how MTW juts out his chin whenever his character is making a point...
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And here's the twentieth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the panel and the three bits of dialogue that weren't used in the slideshow...
Speaking of the panel that wasn't used, who knows who that man behind the bar at the Blue Whale is in the flashback? The most likely candidate would be Sam, though if it is him, he looks somewhat different than Sam was depicted in Book 2, Issue 1:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page3_Panel3.jpg)
But then, look how different Daphne looks in that panel.
But one thing that's definitely spot on is how Joe's portion of Issue 3 was written. It fits perfectly with how the '91 Series depicted Joe around the time frame the comic's scene takes place. It may have taken the comics a while to deal with Joe - but the result was worth the wait...
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I do have to say that I'm a bit confused by the way today's quote is presented in the comic:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page21_Panel6.jpg)
Quite often they make certain words bold and obviously that's so that the reader knows to emphasize those words when they're reading. But when it comes to making the word "project" bold in the above, I'm not sure what they're getting at. I don't recall that anywhere previously in the story Thenno ever referred to a project she wanted to do. So, if we as the readers are supposed to know what she's referring to, I don't see how. And even if she's supposedly foreshadowing something we'll learn about later, well, we don't actually learn about any sort of project later. It just seems like an odd remark. At least to me. And it goes right over my head...
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And here's the twenty-first page (finally - I didn't get the chance to post it yesterday):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that there are several panels and several bits of dialogue that weren't used in the slideshow...
Also, the snowstorm may be problematic. But more on that after Page 22 is posted...
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If you're a fan of the '91 Series, you may have already realized that yesterday's and today's graphics/quotes recreate the first scene of the 4th hour of the show (the 3rd ep on VHS and DVD). Though, sadly, as you've also no doubt noticed, this recreation for Book 2 doesn't adhere anywhere near as closely to the ways Book 1 recreated scenes from the show. And definitely more on that after Page 22 is posted...
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Who knew Nathan was also feeling the injection Julia gave Barnabas at the beginning of hour 4 of the '91 Series:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0906ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Three/Page 22 - Barnabas & Nathan:
'AGH!'
But who knew a lot of things that were supposedly also going on at that time? And we'll get into that tomorrow after Page 22 is posted...
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Here's the twenty-second page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the one bit of dialogue and the panels that weren't used in the slideshow...
And shortly I'll be working on a comparison between the comic's recreation of the opening scene of the 4th hour of the series and the actual scene in the series...
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Part One:
Panel 1 (Panel 1 of Page 22) of the recreation in Book 2, Issue 3 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page22_Panel1.jpg)
- is very different from how the scene actually plays out in Hour 4 (Ep 3) of the '91 Series. But first lets start with how the scene begins on the show:
First up we see a shot of the Old House as things slowly move in on what it supposedly Barnabas' bedroom window - and do we see even the slightest sign of snow? - uh, no - in fact, we don't even see rain - but apparently we're supposed to forget that in favor of the raging snowstorm going on in Book 2, Issue 3 - and that shot is soon -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-01.jpg)
- followed by a shot of only Barnabas' hands as he sits -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-02.jpg)
- in almost complete darkness - shortly Willie and Julia -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-03.jpg)
- enter - and as Julia makes her way over to Barnabas, we see that he is sweating profusely - and it is than that rather than delivering his line the way the comic has it, Barnabas says -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-04.jpg)
Barnabas: 'You're late, Doctor.'
- to which Julia looks back toward Willie and then to Barnabas as she explains -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-05.jpg)
Julia: 'I had to wait until the others were in bed.'
- exactly as she does in the comic - but after that we see a shot of Barnabas suffering -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-06.jpg)
- before she asks -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-07.jpg)
Julia: 'Can you fight it?'
- as she does in the comic - and to that Barnabas sneeringly replies -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-08.jpg)
Barnabas: 'If I couldn't, you wouldn't be alive to ask that
question!'
- as he does in the comic. So, as you can see so far, the dialogue is pretty much the same as the show, but in the comic's depiction everything else is very different. Apparently, unlike E Silas Smith, who depicted recreations from the show very closely to the way they actually played on the show, Jose Pimentel decided to do his own thing - even going so far as to depict part of the scene in a way that resembles a totally different scene from the show, as we'll see in an upcoming part...
Coming up: Part Two...
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Earlier I forgot to mention something that I don't think I realized until today - and that is that the opening voiceover that they created for Ep 3 (recall that on NBC Eps 2 & 3 were edited together for the "miniseries") for the VHS release is not on the DVD. At the opening of Ep 3 we simply see the shot of the Old House that I shared above. And considering that nothing else that was added for the VHS release is on the DVDs, that shouldn't be all that much of a surprise. But recall that, as I pointed out in reply #218, the end of Ep 7's Act 2 is different from how it was aired on NBC. So that begs the question: Was it supposed to be as it is on the VHS but NBC asked that it be edited? The likely answer is yes. I suppose they felt including Angelique's heaving breast was too much for a US audience to handle. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Part Two:
Panel 2 (Panel 3 of Page 22) of the recreation in Book 2, Issue 3 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page22_Panel3.jpg)
- is also very different from how the scene actually plays out in Hour 4 (Ep 3) of the '91 Series:
First up in the comic Julia does make her warning -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-09.jpg)
Julia: 'Barnabas, I must warn you: the serum may be highly
toxic to your system.'
- exactly as she does on the show - and that is followed by Barnabas claiming -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-10.jpg)
Barnabas: 'Doctor, whatever the outcome, nothing could be
worse than this.'
- just as he does in the comic - however, after that, Julia studies him -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-11.jpg)
- before Barnabas adds -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-12.jpg)
Barnabas: 'I suggest you make haste.'
- after which Julia turns to make preparations -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-13.jpg)
So, again, the dialogue that appears in the comic is the same as the show, but in the comic's depiction everything else is very different. Not to mention that on the show there's a bit of dialogue that doesn't appear in the comic. But the biggest departure from the scene as it appears on the show is upcoming. And we'll deal with that in the next and final part...
Coming up: Part Three...
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Part Three:
Panel 3 (Panel 5 of Page 22) of the recreation in Book 2, Issue 3 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page22_Panel5.jpg)
- is not just very different, it's from a totally different scene in a totally different ep of the '91 Series! But first up let's pick up from where we left off in Hour 4 (Ep 3):
A bit later in time, Barnabas watches as Julia -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-14.jpg)
- draws blood - after which she explains -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-15.jpg)
Julia: 'My baseline sample.'
- then after preparing a hypo -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-16.jpg)
- she explains -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-17.jpg)
Julia: 'This will burn.'
- then she lowers the hypo and looks down -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-18.jpg)
- as she administers the injection -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-19.jpg)
- and Barnabas watches -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-20.jpg)
- and after putting the hypo down, Julia watches for Barnabas' reaction -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-21.jpg)
- and that's basically as far as the comic's recreation goes with what's actually in the scene.
So, as we can see from the scene, Barnabas doesn't react anything like how he does in the comic as Julia administers the injection. In fact, the comic's panel is composed very similarly to this still (which is one of a set of stills) -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Injection.jpg)
- from a scene that takes place in the secret room of the mausoleum in Hour 6 (Ep 5) -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep05-01.jpg)
- so, apparently, going his own way also means to Jose Pimentel that he could, as I alluded to above, use a still from a totally different scene in a totally different ep as his inspiration. Maybe his reasoning was one injection is like every other injection. Though that certainly isn't the case in this instance.
But anyway, there is more to the scene in Hour 4, and we'll deal with it in a future post...
Coming up: Part Four...
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I forgot to mention that Part Four won't be coming until after we get a bit in Issue 4 because the scene in the comic is continued in Issue 4...
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Here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another page where everything was used in the slideshow...
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We're very close to wrapping up Book 2, Issue 3, so here's the thirtieth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page30.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page30.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
I found it interesting that Innovation would be promoting Book 2, Issue 1 when people would be currently reading Issue 3 of that book. But as I said, at this point and beyond there are no longer any ads in the comics featuring DS merchandise, so I suppose Innovation had to fill the pages somehow...
And I do find it funny that the ad still says that Issue 1 was coming out in February when it actually came out in April and Issue 3 came out in August so they already knew the actual release date. But I suppose they didn't think that changing February to April was necessary. And an even funnier thing is that David Campiti said in SG that Issue 1 would be out in March, so anyone who went to look for it in February wouldn't have even found it if it had come out on schedule. But then, erroneous claims of release dates were just par for the course...
Also note that the image of the cover is somewhat different from Book 2, Issue 3's actual cover...
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And here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Posting a bit earlier than normal because there's so many things to post as we move on to Issue 4.
Note the two panels featuring Perseus that weren't included in the slideshow. And if you've forgotten the Perseus/Medusa story, check out this short YouTube video: Perseus & Medusa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwOQ3YAhFpo). Though one problem with the video is that it's a Greek myth, not Roman...
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Page 31 is an ad for Innovation's Beauty and the Beast poster and Page 32 is the same ad I'd mentioned in reply #71 that appeared in Book 2, Issue 1 for Anne Rice's The Queen Of The Damned and Anne Rice's Interview With The Vampire comics. Which brings us up to the inside back cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- which is quite similar to the inside back covers for Book 2, Issues 1(reply #7`) & 2(reply #160) - though note that the updated dates/location for the '93 Fest are now listed. And for anyone who doesn't remember why the Fest was moved that year or may not have even realized that it was moved, here's what SG #64 reported:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_3_1.jpg)
(I have very fond memories of Fests at the Vista Hotel at the World Trade Center. And little did we know in '93 that that wouldn't be the last time the World Trade Center would be targeted or that the 2001 Fest would be the last one held there... [ghost_sad])
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And here's the back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue3_Back Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Unlike how Book 1 had four completely unique back covers, for some reason Book 2 has only three. Though, if you look closely, while the back covers for Issues 1 & 3 are quite similar, when it comes to Issue 3 the background color is darker and the print for the character's names is higher in the boxes, so they didn't just print the exact same cover for both Issues 1 & 3...
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Here's the front cover of Book Two/Issue Four -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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Here's what SG #63 had to say about the cover for Book 2, Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_63_5_10.jpg)
and here's the version of the cover that SG #64 shared:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_64_6_2.jpg)
Obviously it's a misprint on SG's part that it's the cover for "Book 2/#3".
And considering that Book 2, Issue 3 didn't come out until August, obviously Book 2, Issue 4 didn't come out in July. Subscription copies shipped in October...
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And here's the inside cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
I wish they would get their 1990 and 1991 straight. When the show started it was 1990. 1991 was reached at some point during the 10 weeks of Barnabas' treatment that we didn't see, which means this comic depicted Christmas 1990, not 1991. If that had been the case then the latter two thirds of the show would have taken place in 1992, and that would have contradicted a remark Vicki makes to Peter while in 1790. And the odd thing is David Campiti seems to get everything right at least half the time, particularly when making comments for ShadowGram. Why isn't he consistent? Who knows? And what's worse is the comics seemingly always get it wrong...
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Here's the first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the two bits of dialogue and the four panels that weren't included in the slideshow...
And, of course, Nathan runs out into the storm that we saw no sign of on the '91 Series when we saw this night at the beginning of Hour 4 (Ep 3). But whatever...
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Here are the second and third pages:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Pages2-3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Pages2-3.jpg) for a 2656X1996 version)
Obviously one can't miss Willie and Barnabas on Page 2 or the insert of Nathan on Page 3. Willie and Barnabas weren't included with Julia in yesterday's graphic because of the writing over Barnabas. And, of course, the insert of Nathan wasn't because there's no dialogue. Though when it comes to dialogue, there's a bit of a problem with Julia's - and we'll deal with that once Part Four picks up and concludes the opening sequence of Hour 4 of the series...
And no doubt fans of the '91 Series will realize the pose Jose Pimentel gave Julia on Page 3 is based off of one of the many stills from the series...
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Part Four:
Picking up from where we left off in reply #265 with Julia watching Barnabas' reaction to the injection, and as Barnabas begins to gasp a bit -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-22.jpg)
- Willie takes notice with concern -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-23.jpg)
- and soon Barnabas has a more pronounced reaction as he explains -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-24.jpg)
Barnabas: 'Hot tentacles stretch upwards.'
- and Julia studies him closely -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-25.jpg)
- followed by an agitated Barnabas saying -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-26.jpg)
Barnabas: 'A knife...a knife slices through my arm.'
- Julia appears a bit puzzled and certainly concerned -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-27.jpg)
- and next an even more agitated Barnabas explains -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-28.jpg)
Barnabas: 'Now it's cutting through my shoulder.'
- after which Julia looks up toward Willie -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-29.jpg)
- and then Willie down to her -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-30.jpg)
- and then back to Barnabas -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-31.jpg)
- and as Barnabas has an even more pronounced reaction, he gasps further and announces -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-32.jpg)
Barnabas: 'My blood boils.'
- and after Julia continues to study him with deep concern -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-33.jpg)
- Barnabas falls backward -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-34.jpg)
- prompting Julia to move closer -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-35.jpg)
To be continued in Part Four, part two...
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Part Four, part two:
Picking up from where we left off, as Barnabas winces from the pain he's experiencing -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-36.jpg)
- Willie also moves in closer -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-37.jpg)
- after which Julia examines Barnabas and sees that his eyes have rolled up -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-38.jpg)
- which prompts Willie to look more concerned -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-39.jpg)
- followed by Julia checking the temperature of Barnabas' forehead -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-40.jpg)
- and her looking concerned afterward -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-41.jpg)
- but soon Barnabas begins to open his eyes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-42.jpg)
- prompting Willie to swallow hard -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-43.jpg)
- and after Barnabas comes around a bit, he announces -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-44.jpg)
Barnabas: 'Gone. ... Pain gone.'
- and after Willie continues to look on -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-45.jpg)
- Barnabas then announces -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-46.jpg)
Barnabas: 'Silver in my veins.'
- and after Julia takes that description in, Barnabas begins with -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-47.jpg)
Barnabas: 'One day...'
- and concludes with a smile -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-48.jpg)
Barnabas: '...we will see the dawn together.'
- which Julia is very pleased to hear -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Ep03-49.jpg)
End of sequence.
(And once again I apologize for taking captures from the DVD set with its incorrect color timing and aspect ratio rather than the VHS with its correct color timing and aspect ratio. But it's such a hassle to set up a VCR for captures - and even though I've made digital copies of the tapes, and even though I've looked for those copies in tons of places, I'm still not quite sure where I've stored them...)
So, we can easily see that the comic barely touches on how the sequence actually plays in Hour 4 (Ep 3) of the '91 Series. And worst of all, the comic not only completely ignores the huge amount of stress Barnabas is under waiting for the injection but also his violent reaction to the serum. But given how all that actually happens on the show, I have no idea what to think of the Book 2, Issue 4's depiction on Pages 2 and 3 of Willie (who the comic completely ignored was even present for the injection and its aftermath), Barnabas and Julia simply standing around with Julia declining having Willie walk her home. On the show Barnabas can barely speak after the injection. And considering events related to the injection play concurrently in Issues 3 & 4 with the events involving Nathan and the Grimm sisters, it's obvious that it can't be that there's a possibly that more time passed in the comic between Barnabas' injection and his offer that Willie take Julia home. But obviously we're supposed to forget all about how things play out on the show in favor of accepting Issue 4's grossly simplified take on how the injection goes down much more smoothly. Again, so much for the comics keeping exactly within the continuity of the actual show. Adding the snowstorm is but a minor departure by comparison...
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Continuing with more of the ads for the '91 Series tapes from the MPI's 1993 catalogue, here's the ad for Sept -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Sep.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Sep.jpg) for a 792X1600 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- and, again, it just so happens that tape was released 26 years ago today.
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Here's the fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page4.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the dialogue and the five panels that weren't included in the slideshow...
I hope Julia wore boots when she left with Willie for the Old House. [ghost_wink]
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Here's the fifth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the dialogue and the four panels that weren't included in the slideshow...
And I was unable to get a complete translation for Thenno's "ZHNA AEIAETE" so in the first panel we may have actually learned a Greek swear. [ghost_wink] And how mild or strong it is we may never know unless someone who speaks Greek comes along to tell us...
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It wasn't until after I posted today's scan/quote that I realized that if one takes things out on context and simply relies on the quote and a perception of the expressions on Willie and Nathan's faces -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/0929ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 6 - Willie: 'HANG ON, NATHAN!
GOTTA GET THESE WET THINGS OFF!'
- the situation could easily be interpreted in a way that the comic never intended. [naughty]
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When I saw the painting, even with just the detail part you posted, I immediately thought "Good for Willie! He's getting lucky tonight!"
Maybe the artist simply liked painting semi-nude men? The artistic challenge. Yeah, it's all about the art. And the aesthetics. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
G.
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The look on Nathan's face could easily be interpreted as him enjoying having Willie undress up. [ghost_wink]
Maybe the artist simply liked painting semi-nude men? The artistic challenge. Yeah, it's all about the art. And the aesthetics. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
You might be on to something because we'll be seeing a lot of semi-nude Nathan in upcoming panels, particularly on Page 12...
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Nathan was a luscious lithe young thing. I wonder who the model was for Nathan. Presumably somebody who was a regular for that painter. And who can blame him?
G.
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Here's the sixth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page6.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that unlike the past few pages, all the panels were featured in the slideshow and so was all but a few bits of dialogue...
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Sure, it probably makes for better story that Barnabas isn't at the Old House when Nathan shows up -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1005ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 7 - Willie: 'I'LL SEE IF
BARNABAS IS BACK--'
- but given the fact that they set things up that there's practically a blizzard outside, where the hell has Barnabas gone? For a casual stroll in the blizzard? And sure, in the comic Barnabas' reaction to the injection wasn't anywhere near as bad as it was on the '91 Series. But still...
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For those who didn't get the chance to see Sunday, October 6th's entry in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1006ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 7 - Willie: 'LISTEN, NATHAN, JUST
EXPLAIN SOMETHIN'-- --WHEN YOU SAY MONSTERS ARE IN
YOUR HEAD, YOU MEAN YOU BEEN MIND-READIN' AGAIN?'
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Monday, October 7th's entry in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1007ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 7 - Willie: 'HOPE BARNABAS DON'T
MIND I BORROWED THIS. ALMOST DAWN-- HE'LL BE DONE
RUNNIN' THROUGH THE SNOW AN' BE BACK IN THE CELLAR BY
THE TIME I GET BACK, ANYWAY.'
And how bizarre is it that Barnabas isn't at the Old House because he's "runnin' through the snow"?! What?! [hall2_shocked]
Even forgetting about his reaction to the injection as it is depicted in the series, WHAT?! [shockeyes]
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And here's the seventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the pieces of dialogue and the two panels that were skipped in the slideshow...
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Tuesday, October 8th's entries in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1008ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 8 - Vicki: 'WHY, WILLIE! YOU'RE
UP BRIGHT AND EARLY!'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1008ds91_1.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 8 - Willie: 'YEAH, MISS--UH--VICKI
…UH… VISITIN’ AUNTIE. YEAH, JUS' VISITIN' AUNTIE.
THOUGHT SHE MIGHT BE FIXIN' BREAKFAST.'
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Wednesday, October 9th's entry in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1009ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 8 - Willie: 'WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL
I REMEMBER READIN' SOMETHIN' ABOUT SOME KINDA
MONSTERS CALLED GORGONS. I BEEN THINKIN' ABOUT 'EM BUT
I CAN'T REMEMBER MUCH. WHAT WAS THE GORGON STORY?'
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Thursday, October 10th's entry in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1010ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 8 - Vicki: 'WELL, FROM WHAT I
REMEMBER, THE GORGON WAS NAMED MEDUSA, AND PEOPLE
WHO SAW HER FACE TURNED TO STONE.'
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And here are today's entries in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1011ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 8 - Willie: 'STONE? LIKE STATUES?'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1011ds91_1.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 8 - Vicki: 'THAT’S RIGHT. AND
PERSEUS CUT OFF HER HEAD BY LOOKING INTO A MIRROR
WHILE HE DID IT--INSTEAD OF DIRECTLY AT HER.'
Who knew there was a statue of Perseus in the foyer of Collinwood on the '91 Series? Or if there really was one, I don't remember it...
And if you're not seeing these on the BoardIndex page, you need to clear your browser's cache...
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And in case anyone missed yesterday's installment because they didn't realize that the forum came back on Friday, here's yesterday's entry in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1012ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 8 - Vicki: 'THANK YOU, WILLIE! I'VE
BEEN LOOKING FOR A PROJECT THAT WILL TEACH DAVID HOW
TO USE REFERENCE MATERIAL.' Vicki: 'I THINK HE'D ENJOY
LOOKING UP INFORMATION ON A MONSTER! I'M GOING TO SEE
WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SHELVES AT COLLINWOOD.'
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Here's the eighth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the bits of dialogue that were skipped in the slideshow...
And for anyone who may have missed yesterday's installment in the slideshow, it was the bottom right panel and dialogue in it.
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Here's the ninth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the several pieces of dialogue and the two panels that were skipped in the slideshow...
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Continuing with the ads for the '91 Series tapes from the MPI's 1993 catalogue, here's the one for Oct -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Oct.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Oct.jpg) for a 792X1600 version)
- and, again, it just so happens that tape was released 26 years ago today.
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Here's the tenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that on this page there are even more skipped pieces of dialogue and panels than there were skipped on the previous page...
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Here's a version of the tenth page without the dialogue bubbles:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_10.jpg) for a 1982X3000 version)
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I'm wondering just what it is about Nathan's legs that have Willie exclaiming "Oh God." Presumably, Nathan is turning to stone, but that's not visually evident, to me at least. Thus, it's hard to resist the thought that Willie may be a secret, hardcore foot fetishist.
For those who find the theme of this story intriguing, I strongly recommend the classic 1964 Hammer studios film, The Gorgon. It offers an interesting variation on the old legend.
G.
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Because Nathan was running through the freezing cold water in an effort to elude the sisters, I suspect his feet and lower legs are supposed to be exhibiting symptoms of frostbite. But that's also not clear...
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And now today Julia is telling Willie that Nathan's legs are gangrenous from blood loss.
I think there was some kind of communication failure between the artist and the writer, at this point. Wasn't this the final issue of this short-lived series?
G.
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And now today Julia is telling Willie that Nathan's legs are gangrenous from blood loss.
Yes, the 25th's quote could have been seen to imply that Nathan's injuries -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1025ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 11 - Julia: 'DON'T YOU
UNDERSTAND? HE COULD GO INTO SHOCK ANY MINUTE! HIS
LEGS ARE GANGRENOUS! HIS FEET ARE DEAD! PNEUMONIA--
--AND THE BLOOD LOSS--'
- were related to his blood loss, but the 26th's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1026ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 11 - Julia: 'YOU AND I SHALL
DISCUSS SOME OF HIS BLOOD LOSS FURTHER WHEN THIS
MATTER IS LESS URGENT! IN THE MEANTIME--'
- helps to make it a bit clearer that her reference to the blood loss is because Julia is suspicious it's somehow related to Barnabas, which readers know that it is indeed. [hall2_wink]
Wasn't this the final issue of this short-lived series?
This is the final issue of Book 2 - but there's one more issue: Book 3, Issue 1...
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I wish I knew why the snakes are so attracted to the sisters, but when I tried to research it online, I came up with nothing. Yet snakes and Gorgons seem very closely tied and it's not just the snakes for hair.
As the quote for the 27th shows -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1027ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 11 - Vicki: 'I HADN'T REALIZED
THAT SNAKES WERE SO INVOLVED WITH GORGONS! MEDUSA'S
BLOOD DROPPED ON THE SAND AS PERSEUS CARRIED IT--AND
IT BECAME THE POISONOUS SNAKES OF THE DESERT!'
- if I'd read ahead in the issue (rather than following along just so far as quotes for each individual month goes) I would have gotten a good idea of the snakes connection.
It's still odd, though, that nothing remotely like an explanation like that came up on the Internet when I did a search...
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In the version of the myth I remember from my childhood reading of Edith Hamilton, the blood from Medusa's severed head took form as the beautiful winged horse Pegasus. What I learned in my adult explorations of Greek mythology is that there were numerous versions of the old myths in circulation back in ancient times. These are dispersed in a really random way in various old authorities such as Apollodoros and Pausanias who traveled about and almost invariably introduce some odd new variant they've heard in their peregrinations with the phrase, "but some say..."
G.
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Here's the eleventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that on this page there are only a few pieces of dialogue that were skipped in the slideshow...
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Va-va-voommmm! Today's panel is really beyond just slightly slashy!
Yesss, Willie... DO IT NOW! LOL.
G.
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The question is: are Willie and Nathan going to tell anyone, or are they just going to insist they are "roommates" to "split the rent?"
Gerard
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It wan't until I posted the scan and quote last night that I realized that taken out of context they convey a totally different impression of what's going on between Willie and Nathan from what's actually going on. Although... Well, no, I'll wait until I post Page 12 to get into that... [hall2_lipsrsealed]
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And finally here is the twelfth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note that on this page there are very few pieces of dialogue that were skipped in the slideshow...
And I've held off posting Page 12 until today's quote comes up in the slideshow -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1110ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 13 - Nathan: 'YOU HAVE TO--
*AGH* I'M DYING. THE DOCTOR... SHE KNOWS I'M DYING!
IF DEATH WAS ALL... IT WOULD BE EASY! BARNABAS BIT
ME. I MAY BE INFECTED. *KOF* INSURANCE...WILLIE...
EITHER WAY, I'M DEAD. WITH...STAKE...IT'S OVER FAST
...AND I STAY DEAD!'
- because it makes perfectly clear what Nathan and Willie are really talking about. Though, even given that, it doesn't completely eliminate the sexual connotations in some of the things Nathan has been saying, especially if one subscribes to the notion that stakes are phallic objects and staking a vampire is a sexual act. Personally, I've never seen it that way, but many who've analyzed vampires do. I blame Sigmund Freud, who seemed to see phallic objects and sex acts everywhere. But as many others have argued, sometime a cigar really is just a cigar. [hall2_wink]
Also, note the top right panel because it's an obvious reworking of one of the Willie publicity stills from the '91 series...
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Nathan still looks as if he's getting ready for his next Falcon Studios video shoot.
Maybe the artist and the writer had simply stopped speaking to one another?
G.
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Gothick, you kill me!! [a1f5]
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I love today's image/quote:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1112ds91_0.jpg)
Book Two/Issue Four/Page 13 - Willie: 'YOU AIN'T
GONNA DIE! TRY SOME OF AUNTIE'S SOUP! I'LL TAKE
CARE OF YOU.'
Leave it to Willie to think that Auntie's soup is a cure-all for everything, including possibly impending vapirism! Classic '91 Willie... [hall2_wink]
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Nathan still looks as if he's getting ready for his next Falcon Studios video shoot.
Does Falcon Studios sill even exist? We're getting old. I think I saw some stuff from Geritol Studios on-line.
Gerard
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And today on DARK SHADOWS, Nathan and Willie continued to amuse themselves coming up with new ideas for the close-ups for Nathan's new Colt Video release.
G.
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[pointing-up] [ghost_cheesy] But not quite. [ghost_nowink] What is actually going on in today's image/quote will become apparent once the slideshow's entry for the 23rd comes up...
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Here's the thirteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the pieces of dialogue on this page that were skipped in the slideshow, particularly in the last panel...
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Here's a version of the thirteenth page without the dialogue bubbles:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_13.jpg) for a 1993X3000 version)
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Here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the one bit of dialogue that was skipped - but the biggest thing that was skipped was obviously the main panel. Also, unfortunately, the page was askew in the issue, so that's why the two smaller panels are askew...
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Continuing with the ads for the '91 Series tapes from the MPI's 1993 catalogue, here's the one for Nov -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Nov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Nov.jpg) for a 792X1600 version)
- and, of course, it just so happens the tape was released 26 years ago today.
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Here's the fifteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the two small bits of dialogue that were skipped and the one panel...
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Here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the one bit of dialogue and the one panel that were skipped. I would have liked to have included the panel because it is quintessential Willie. But choices for the slideshow are limited and we try to pick the most important plot points available in any given month while also trying to maintain a clear flow to the story and, unfortunately, the dialogue accompanying that panel didn't make the cut...
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Some of these recent Nathan/Willie panels really need to be posted on your "Caption Now" game.
Today's painting probably originally bore the caption, "Nathan, dude! I said MORE LUBE! Please, man!"
cheers, G.
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[pointing-up] Hmmm, I've never thought of that. But it can easily be arranged...
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Here's the seventeenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note the dialogue and the panels that were skipped in the slideshow...
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Interesting how Nathan and the Tim Burton Angelique are wearing nearly identical expressions (with nearly identical framing) in today's respective images.
The curse of Dark Shadows?
G.
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Here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the few bits of dialogue that were skipped in the slideshow...
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A bit late, but here's the nineteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Only one bit of dialogue was skipped in the slideshow...
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And here's the twentieth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the panel and the dialogue that was skipped in the slideshow...
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And here's a version of the twentieth page without the dialogue bubbles:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_20.jpg) for a 1995X3000 version)
Interesting that Allie's turtleneck is so blue in this version, yet it's closer to purple in the comic...
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Wrapping up the ads for the '91 Series tapes from MPI's 1993 catalogue, here's the one for Dec -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Dec.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/MPI_1991DS_93CAT_Dec.jpg) for a 792X1600 version)
- and, of course, it just so happens the tape was released 26 years ago today. Though something that's odd is that there's no mention of the extra footage that's included on the tape. I wonder if when the '93 catalogue was printed that was something that wasn't planned yet? It is mentioned in subsequent catalogues, however...
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Here's the first page of the letters column (the twenty-fifth page) from Book 2, Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Interestingly, the background in this issue is white rather than the mustardy design they had been using - but what's more interesting is the mustardy design background comes back for Book 3, Issue 1, so who knows why they skipped it in this issue? Though, as questions go with this comic, I suppose that's a minor one.
Though perhaps what's even more interesting is that Scott Rockwell addresses how David Campiti has moved on to "greener freelance pastures." A euphemism for abandoning a sinking ship? Well, we may never know. And at the point of this issue's release (October of '93), we had no idea how quickly the ship would be sinking (considering December's release of Book 3, Issue 1 was the last issue released of this comic series and Innovation closed its door at the end of December).
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I was quite amused by Dominique Lamssies rather blunt critique of the book. She seems to have a very odd take on the book. If she's so completely repulsed by the book, what makes her think that anyone would be interested in what she has to say? And what unpretty things might we have heard from her if Innovation had not imploded? Ah, to be twelve years old again.
I decided to Google her. She has a considerable online presence, mostly related to horror fiction. I'm sure that it's her. There can't be two people in Oregon named Dominique Lamssies. Similar writing style, with similar quirks. She claims to hate 1970's Hammer films but is wild about Countess Dracula and Ingrid Pitt. Though perhaps not in that order.
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If she hated Book 2, Issue 1 so much, what did she think of the Barrettstown storyline in Book 1? Was it passable to her solely because Julia and Barnabas were a part of it? One does have to wonder...
Though be that as it may, I can understand why Book 2, Issue 1 may have come as a shock to her because a great deal of it is dominated by Nathan, Fred and Pete, characters that had no relationship to the '91 DS Series. However, that being said, Vicki and Barnabas play a substantial role in the proceedings, and Fred and Pete are simply a means to an end to put Vicki in danger and have Nathan and especially Barnabas react to that. Though simply judging by Issue 1, one has no idea that Fred and Pete have already served their entire purpose, nor is there any indications of the great scenes Willie, Julia and Barnabas will be involved in when it comes to future issues. Perhaps Dominique might have held off judgment and waited a bit longer before she jumped the gun and condemned the first installment before she saw what foundations it was setting for future issues in Book 2.
Though with all that being said, in Dominique's defense, one thing that might have contributed to her displeasure that Book 2 wasn't a continuation to Book 1 is how Maggie Thompson may have given a wrong impression when she briefly summarized Barnabas and Julia exploits in Book 1 in her essay on the inside cover of Issue 1 and then wrote "Now that they have returned to Collinwood, the story continues with events not shown to viewers." That could easily be interpreted as Book 2 being a continuation of Book 1 so it should have been phrased differently, especially when it turns out that, as David Campiti explained in SG, the events in Book 2 take place before the events in Book 1. One might think as editors with full knowledge of the timelines for Book 1 and Book 2, David Campiti or Scott Rockwell might have caught that and corrected it - but, well...
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Here's the second page of the letters column (the twenty-sixth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that this page contains a graphic of Nathan from Page 4 of this issue.
And unlike Dominique Lamssies' letter, it's nice to see that for the most part the letters on this page are enjoying what Maggie Thompson has come up with.
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Here's the twenty-first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the one bit of dialogue that was skipped in the slideshow...
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In case you're wondering, yesterday's slideshow installment was the last to feature Nathan and the Gorgon sisters. From now on only Barnabas, Vicki and Willie will be featured. (Sadly, the slideshow saw the last of Julia in October, David in November, most of the other Collinses back in March, and Joe back at the end of August.)
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And here's the third (last) page of the letters column (the twenty-seventh page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page27.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page27.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that this page contains a graphic of Thenno from Page 5 of this issue, a graphic of Willie from Page 7, and a graphic of the Perseus statue from Page 8.
Also note two corrections, one of which we wondered why it hadn't been made, and one of which we might have suspected would never be made. But thankfully with the latter Charles J. Sperling called them out on it. Though given the errors we've seen in these comics, describing David Campiti as a DS trivia expert might have been Scott Rockwell giving him a bit too much credit, but...
And along with those mentioned, David, Liz and Roger also appear in Book 3, Issue 1...
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Here's the twenty-second page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the panel that was skipped and all the dialogue in it... And sharp-eyed fans will recognize the Vicki portion of the panel as being based on a publicity still for the '91 DS...
Also note that it's now New Year's Eve, so everything that takes place in Book 2 takes place in a little over a week...
And in case you wonder, this is not the last time Willie will say "Geez," his favorite word in these comics, apparently - nor is it the last time the comics will use the less common alternate spelling rather than the more accepted "Jeez." [santa_rolleyes]
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And here's the twenty-eighth page, more thoughts from Maggie Thompson, this time about the Gorgons:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page28.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page28.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that this page contains a graphic of Nathan from Page 15 of this issue, a graphic from Page 13 of this issue of Thenno and Allie offering money to the lady who runs a shelter, and another graphic of Allie and Thenno from Page 13...
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Here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that more than half the panels and several bits of dialogue (including Willie's last "Geez") were skipped (although, one panel doesn't have dialogue)... And sharp-eyed fans will recognize that more publicity stills from the '91 DS were used as inspiration...
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Here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note that all the panels and all the dialogue have appeared in the slideshow... And it's fitting that this slideshow's last entry, which takes place on New Year's Eve, appears on the forum on New Year's Eve...
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Page 29 is the same ad I'd mentioned in reply #71 that appeared in Book 2, Issue 1 for Anne Rice's The Queen Of The Damned and Anne Rice's Interview With The Vampire comics. Page 30 is the same ad for Innovation's Beauty and the Beast poster that I've also mentioned. Page 31 is the same ad I'd mentioned for Quantum Leap. And Page 32 is a new ad for something called Lucifer's Hammer. Which brings us up to the inside back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Presumably the Barnabas T-Shirt the MPI portion touts is the same one that I shared the ad for in reply #187. And as with MPI's own catalogue, it's interesting that there's no mention of extra footage on Volume 12 of MPI release of the '91 Series...
It's nice to see they were once again promoting the DS Resurrected book from PomPress - something they hadn't done since the back cover of Book 1, Issue 3. Interestingly, this version ups the "Rare, Never-Before Published Photographs" from "Over 150" to "Over 200"...
And probably the less said the better when it comes to dating Book 2, Issue 4 as being July of 1993...
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And here's the back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Back Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
This and the back cover for Issue 2 are perhaps the the back covers for Book 2 that make the most sense because they feature most of the main characters from the story. As much as I love the character, Maggie was barely in things, yet she appears on the back cover of both Issue 1 and Issue 3. Though I do love that Julia appears on those same back covers...
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A bit of old business because when I made this post -
And here's the eleventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_11.jpg) for a 2057X3000 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- without the dialogue bubbles...
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Though something that's odd is that there's no mention of the extra footage that's included on the tape. I wonder if when the '93 catalogue was printed that was something that wasn't planned yet? It is mentioned in subsequent catalogues, however...
There's a good chance that it may not have been known then because while going through SGs to make sure I'd caught everything about Book 2, I just came across this very small one sentence item I'd missed while initially going through SG #65 from July 1993:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_2_1.jpg)
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Oops! [santa_embarassed] I'd completely forgotten that in the "New DS:" section in the Home Video update from SG #65 that I'd shared in reply #187 it says, "An extra highlight is Episode #12, the last show, due 12-93. It includes more scenes filmed but not broadcast." Oddly, I made no mention of that detail when I posted it, though I must have read it. I guess it just went right out of my mind after I did. Though I did post a few different things in this topic that day, so maybe part of my mind was focused more on what still had to posted rather than what was being posted. And in my defense, it is but 2 sentences in a much larger update...
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And what appear to be the final Book 2 things to share from where we currently are with SG, here's a blurb for Issue 4 from SG #65:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_65_5_6.jpg)
I don't actually recall any living statues in Collinsport's cemeteries. The living statues all seem to have been on the Grimm sisters' property. There was the statue of Joshua in the woods - but that wasn't developed as being alive - though it would have been fascinating if Joshua had indeed become a living statue...
And here's what little October 1993's SG #66 shared about Book 2 and an update on what was happening with the Old Friends trade paperback:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_66_4_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/SG_66_5_1.jpg)
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When I made this post -
Here's the first page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Comiclopedia_Book2_Issue1_Page1.jpg)
- without the dialogue bubbles because I didn't find it until today...
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And when I made this post -
And here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Comiclopedia_Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg)
- without the dialogue bubbles because I didn't find it until today...
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Today I did a search of the Internet to see if any of Jose Pimentel's artwork from Book 4 might have shown up. Sadly, I didn't find any - but what I did find were several more pages from this issue. So, I'll be sharing them one at a time over the next several days.
When I made this post -
And here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_16.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
This page came from worthpoint.com, hence the W watermark...
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When I made this post -
And here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_18.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
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And when I made this post -
And here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_24.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
It's interesting that the original artwork for this page shows more on both sides and at the bottom, yet the artwork for the two other pages I've shared lately are both the same as what appears in the issue.
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And when I made this post -
Here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_23.jpg) for a 1928X2814 version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
The original artwork is back to being the same as what appears in the issue. But as I was making this post it dawned on me that the reason Page 24 is different from the others is because the artwork for it fills the whole page in the issue rather than it having a border in the issue, so that's likely why it originally showed more.
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And when I made this post -
A bit late, but here's the nineteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_19.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
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Wow, that's a pretty bad sequence of panels in the bottom row of that page.
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If you mean the quality, I totally agree. But the cause seems to be the way the page was scanned. If one looks at my scan from the actual issue, the quality of those panels as well as the other three is much better. I have no idea what happened when the artwork page without the dialogue bubbles was scanned...
And BTW, I forgot to mention that that page is the last one I came across the other day. Though I do have something else I came across to share in the topic for Book 1...
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I went on a search to see if I could find a better scan of Book 2, Issue 4, Page 19 on the Internet. I didn't find a different scan, but I did find a different posting of the same scan and it looks a little better -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/original-dark-shadows-comic-art_2_4_19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/original-dark-shadows-comic-art_2_4_19.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- but that may simply be because it's a smaller version. Though what is interesting is that comicartfans.com, the site where I found it, also has two close-up scans of the artwork on the page. It has panel 1 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/original-dark-shadows-comic-art_2_4_19_1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/original-dark-shadows-comic-art_2_4_19_1.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- and panel 3 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/original-dark-shadows-comic-art_2_4_19_3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/original-dark-shadows-comic-art_2_4_19_3.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- and both of those scans are pristine, so it's a bit odd that someone scanned those so well but the entire page wasn't. But then, who's to say the same person did all the scans?
And what's also interesting is that apparently I'd missed a few other pages that have been scanned and shared on the Internet so I'll begin sharing those tomorrow...
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If you mean the quality, I totally agree.
No, actually I was referring to the artwork--in particular the compositions. The left and middle panels side by side are very jarring.
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When I posted these two -
And here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
...
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Comiclopedia_Book2_Issue1_Page24.jpg)
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- I hadn't found this yet:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_1_24.jpg)
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And when I made this post -
Here's the twelfth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_12.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
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And when I made this post -
Here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue2_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_2_14.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
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And when I made this post -
Here's the first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/Book2_Issue4_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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- I hadn't found this version of the page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/2_4_1.jpg) for a downloadable version)
- without the dialogue bubbles.
And this is the last page to post from the latest batch of found pages. Who knows if I'll come across any more? Every time I think I've found everything online, I manage to still come across more...
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An ad that was included in the '93 NYC Fest Mailing:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/93FestFlyer001.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book2quoteimages/93FestFlyer001.jpg) for a 1700X1122 version)
If anyone having seen this ad ordered the comics with the presumption that they were going to immediately read "the origins of Angelique, co-written by Lara Parker," they must have been sorely disappointed...
And of course you'll recognize the graphic as part of the cover of Book 2, Issue 2 (see reply #73).