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'Book 1'.
Who's book? Lara Parker?
Is the picture supposed to be the Old House?
Patti
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All will be explained once I can get around to it. [santa_smiley] But so far as which house the scan is supposed to be, check out the quote. [santa_wink]
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Hey Patti, I'm pretty sure these images are from a comic book produced as a tie-in to the 1991 DS series (with Ben Cross and Barbara Steele) by Innovation. Here's an article about the comic:
http://www.collinsporthistoricalsociety.com/2014/03/the-inevitable-dark-shadowsdark-shadows.html
Best, G.
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What's this new Book One Issue One that's now being shown?
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Now that my question has been added to these other posts, I recall seeing them, but apparently didn't pay much attention!
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I missed Julia's line to which Vicki is responding today...
G.
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I'm sure I'm the only puppy around here who finds today's panel from the comic book distinctly homoerotic. Right? Oh, Barnie-boo, you BEAST.
I thought I had seen the first few issues of this book. But I have no memory at all of this issue or story. I remember when it came out I was living in New Haven CT and commuting regularly to teach in Middletown, a neighboring burg. And there was a comic book store somewhere in town, close to the bus terminal I think. I'd stop in and pick up an issue of the Innovation comic occasionally just to have something DS related to peruse on the ride home.
The letters page of the comic was maybe my favorite part of it. Because people would write in and some would share their memories of the 1960s show. The one I remember best was this person who sent in their excerpt from a diary they were keeping way back when, and the entry had to do with an episode aired sometime in January 1971. These episodes (from the final phase of 1840) had yet to be released on home video in the early 1990s, and had never been seen on TV since the original airing.
The fan wrote in their diary about how delighted they were to observe that Angelique's poppet was a Barbie-doll covered with some kind of cheap modeling clay. And as she was incanting furiously and stabbing the poppet with a needle, the clay started to fall off the doll and suddenly Barbie, stark naked alas, had a cameo appearance on DS.
I was smiling riding the bus home that evening.
cheers, G.
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A lot of the panels have been severely cropped to be able to fit the format of the slideshow. For example, today's actually looks like this -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/page7_panel4.jpg)
- in the book rather than this -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0119ds91_0.jpg)
However, once I get a chance I'll be sharing the pages of Book One so all the artwork and all the dialogue will be seen the way it was intended...
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The complete image is even more sensuous.
It's strangely warm in here for a January afternoon...
G.
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I had very mixed feelings about the Innovation series. I was glad that they attempted to continue the franchise but the end result was often frustrating. I was quite interested in how they planned to resolve the NBC cliffhanger but less than thrilled that they chose to set the stories during a six week gap in the miniseries. If they had held to a monthly publishing schedule, it would taken over a year to get there. More than 2 years after the show had been off the air. And, to call their schedule erratic, is an understatement.
Innovation produced some pretty good books. The Lost in Space book, though also plagued by delays, was quite well done, especially once Bill Mumy started writing them. Silas Smith produced some extremely nice artwork. But, as good as the painted artwork was, I wonder if that contributed to the delays. It looked quite good but the traditional comic book audience (not the DS audience) seems to prefer pen and ink.
I'll save any other comments for later postings. I do seem to remember that Lara Parker was going to be doing some sort of DS comic for Innovation. Was it the story that she eventually turned into Angelique's Descent?
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I had very mixed feelings about the Innovation series. I was glad that they attempted to continue the franchise but the end result was often frustrating.
You and I are so on the same page there. I will say that I loved some directions they went in - but to say other directions were frustrating would be a grand understatement as far as I'm concerned - and I often wondered how DCP ever approved them. Though I suppose the main reason may be that a comics audience and a TV audience may not necessarily be the same audience. I don't know.
I'll save any other comments for later postings.
Same here.
I do seem to remember that Lara Parker was going to be doing some sort of DS comic for Innovation. Was it the story that she eventually turned into Angelique's Descent?
I don't know. All that I seem to recall is how she is a part of this Book One series, and she'll first be popping up at the end of Issue 3...
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Since I've never seen the comic book ("gothic novel") attempt to continue the '91 version, I have no idea what's going on from the captions. Does anyone have a link to the detailed summary?
Gerard
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I don't, but here's what I got from what has been posted:
Vicki is startled by the apparition of a strange spectre in the Collinwood foyer, in front of Barnabas's portrait. (I couldn't tell if the ghost was meant to be Angelique, Laura or another spirit.) Barnabas and Dr. Hoffman enter and seeing that Vicki seems disoriented, suggest she go for a drive with them in Dr. Hoffman's very expensive silver Rolls Royce. (I doubt that this Julia would ever be caught dead in tweed.) While they're cruising along, Barnabas starts to daydream, and goes into a flashback about Willie releasing him from his coffin. That is where we are now.
Don't know if I missed anything...
Best, G.
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Gerard, if you go to the link that Gothick posted in post #2, there is a link to an article that the Collinsport Historical Society did on the Innovation series. That story contains a link to a Wiki that will summarize the content of all the issues that were published.
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I forgot to mention that since Willie (in the 1991 show) looks just like Ben, Barnabas thinks he is the latter, not realizing that two centuries have passed. That's why Barnabas calls Willie "old friend" before he attacks him.
I'm fascinated that the sound a person makes when being fed upon by a vampire is "urk."
G.
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The apparition in front of Barn's portrait is meant to be Angelique. Though an interesting tidbit is this first book and the third (which was sadly never completed) do deal with Laura in various ways and it looks like they had some really interesting plans for her. But alas...
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Barnabas and Dr. Hoffman enter and seeing that Vicki seems disoriented, suggest she go for a drive with them in Dr. Hoffman's very expensive silver Rolls Royce.
Dr. Julia Hoffman had a silver Rolls Royce? Now we know why health care is so expensive.
Gerard
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As has been obvious for nearly three weeks now, Midnite and I decided that this year's slideshow would feature Book One of Innovations 1991 Series comics. As fans of the '91 Series, we both feel that, even though some of what Innovation created was flawed in some respects, many aspects of the plot and so much of the incredible artwork deserves to be seen by as many fans as possible. Though we'll certainly be discussing what we don't like as well as what we like, and we encourage members to do the same. Though a word of warning, and this comes directly from Innovation itself: "Don't compare continuity between the old series and the the new series. For our purposes, the old series never existed -- our comic depends completely on the continuity of the new hour-long color show. Anything mentioned or detailed in the old black-and-white series is not valid." However, I can't say that Innovation was always true to their word to stick completely within the continuity of the '91 series because there are goofs in the comics with respect to that continuity. They attempted to explain their goofs away with varying degrees of plausibility, but the goofs still remain. Though we won't get into them until they come up in the plot...
Because comics are different from TV shows/films, unlike what we've done with previous slideshows, we can't select quotes, take screen caps of video, and then flesh things out with script excerpts. So what we'll be doing is selecting quotes, cropping art work, and then fleshing things out by sharing entire pages from the issues. And with that in mind, before we catch up to where the slideshow already is, here's the front cover of Book One/Issue One -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- and the inside cover -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
- which, among other things, explains how the plot of Book One fits into the '91 series (though Uncle Roger has already alluded to that).
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Beginning the actual storyline, here's the first page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
- which is also autographed by David Campiti and Scott Rockwell (as a bonus if you'd subscribed to the entire comic series through Innovation).
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And here are the second and third pages -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Pages2-3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Pages2-3.jpg) for a 2656X1996 version)
- a sort of title sequence...
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I forgot to mention that eagle-eyed fans of the '91 series will no doubt notice that something is missing in this drawing -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Pages2-3a.jpg)
- though it's not the type of thing I was referring to when I mentioned goofs earlier because those are all storyline continuity goofs. Here I'm referring to a setting goof...
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That's all quite cool, MB. I really don't recall this issue at all. And I'm far from being the target audience for this feature, as I'm not a fan of the 1991 series. But I am enjoying the images and the dialogue immensely, so I'm glad you and Midnite are taking this project on.
A completely irrelevant comment came to mind when I saw today's selection. It reminded me of the episode of BATMAN where Liberace plays the dual role of piano virtuoso Chandelle and his evil twin brother, the larcenous Fingers. There's a scene where Fingers is plotting to get his mitts on Aunt Harriet's money and he kisses her hand while impersonating Chandelle. After the slippery crook slithers away, Aunt Harriet turns to Alfred and exclaims, "That wasn't Chandelle! A man's kiss... well, Alfred--a girl can just tell!"
"YOU're not Ben Loomis!" Famous last words...
Looking forward to more!
G.
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Here's the fourth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page4.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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Here's the fifth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
(It's odd how some pages artifact when the forum's system downsizes them and others don't...)
And note that this page contains dialogue that was not featured in the slideshow. Not to mention something else we didn't see in the slideshow: obviously Julia is none too pleased that Barnabas invited Vicki along...
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Who is he speaking to as the "blood of my blood, kin of my kin"?
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He's addressing Willie--the lineal descendant of Ben Loomis. I don't think the two were related in the 1991 series but again, I never paid much attention to that.
I think this dialogue is a quote from DRACULA--either the original Stoker novel or one of the film versions.
G.
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I should have added that I think the words mean that because Barnabas has taken Willie's blood, Willie is now bonded to him. Forever.
G.
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Here's the sixth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page6.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
(It's odd how some pages artifact when the forum's system downsizes them and others don't...)
And note that this page contains dialogue and a panel that were not featured in the slideshow...
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I'm not seeing any artifacting on my screen.
Thanks!
G.
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[pointing-up] Interesting because I'm getting it on my computer no matter what browser I use. Though only with the scans that I've indicated...
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He's addressing Willie--the lineal descendant of Ben Loomis. I don't think the two were related in the 1991 series but again, I never paid much attention to that.
Yes, Willie is Ben's descendant in the '91 Series.
I think this dialogue is a quote from DRACULA
You've taught me something that I never knew because I googled the blood/kin part of the quote and apparently it appears in Chapter 21 of Dracula. When I've watched the '91 Series and Barn says that to Carolyn in hour six after he's attacked her, I always thought he was referring to her being his descendant (as in his brother Daniel's whatever how many greats grand daughter). I never understood why he would say the same thing to Willie in the comic because Willie and Barn have no familial relationship that we're aware of.
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It's really odd that the writer gave those lines to Barnabas in this scene. Because the original context in the novel, if I'm remembering correctly, is that Dracula just had Mina perform the vampire version of oral sex on him and this is his statement that she is now his Bride.
In the Lugosi film, he says "my blood now flows through her veins... she will live through the centuries to come" ... his voice, and bearing, were magnificent in that scene.
In this scene, Barnabas has simply made Willie his slave. But how this is portrayed here seems so erotic to me. Of course, I fully admit that I'm far from an objective viewer. And again, I don't have anything like the encyclopaedic knowledge about all of the 1991 stuff that some of you possess. I barely remember these shows.
For reference purposes, I'm using google Chrome on a circa 2009 MacBook to view the internet.
cheers, G.
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Here's the seventh page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And note that this page contains dialogue and panels that were not featured in the slideshow...
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Thank you, Gothick! Your explanation of the meaning makes sense, but in seeing it I didn't think of it that way.
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Happy to help, Josette!
I think I saw a scan on a website somewhere, at some point, of the panel of Barnabas and Willie that's the central image on this latest page. I remember it being captioned something like "ever wonder what Barnabas looked like when Willie first opened the coffin?" I don't think I ever saw this particular book, though. I am enjoying this feature about it.
I was teaching in Middletown, Connecticut, I think from the Fall of 1992 through the Spring of 1994. I'll have to look for info on when the Innovation comics started up. Maybe in the Fall of 1991?
Best, Gothick
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For anyone who's interested, this page includes links for each issue published. Unfortunately, some of the pages are blank, presumably because whoever worked on this either did not have access to all the issues, or just never got around to doing treatments for certain numbers.
It states that issue 2 was published in August of 1992, and that the publication schedule was erratic. So maybe the first one came out in June, which always feels like International DS History month to me.
http://darkshadows.wikia.com/wiki/Innovation
Only the first issue of the third "book" was released when Innovation, the publisher, went out of business. I wonder if the complete storyline planned for that "book" was ever posted online.
Despite their disclaimer, the comics do seem to make use of material from the original series that weren't a part of the Universe of the 1991 iteration. For instance, in one story, Liz warns Vicki not to set foot in the basement, and Carolyn asks her what she's hiding, to Liz's displeasure. This idea of Liz keeping the basement locked up and warning people away from it wasn't spoken of in the 1991 episodes that I saw, at least, I don't recall it ever being mentioned.
G.
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I have two problems with today's quote, though only one is storyline oriented. The one that isn't is this line:
"WHAT YEAR BE THIS?"
In the series, and particularly in the 1790 sequence, Barnabas speaks impeccably correct English. He would never say "What year be this?" when the correct way to ask the question would be "What year is this?"
True, Daniel incorrectly used "be" when he shouldn't have asked Vicki "Who be you?" and then introduced himself as "I be Daniel." But 1) he was a child, and 2) Vicki was quick to correct his grammar.
But the storyline problem comes with:
"YEAR? IT'S...IT'S 1991."
No it isn't. When Barnabas is released from his coffin it's 1990. Among other indications of that is that the date 1990 is listed on Daphne's plaque in the mausoleum after Barnabas has killed her. And given the fact that Barnabas has just been released from his coffin and hasn't even come across Daphne, well...
And the reasons why the '91 series actually begins in 1990 were twofold:
One is that when the series went into production in July, 1990, the original plan was for it to debut around Halloween 1990. But then NBC decided to do a huge promotional push to launch the series so they moved its debut to January 1991. (If only it had debuted in October, 1990 things might have been very different as in there wouldn't have been any Gulf War to interfere with it. But...)
The second is that the series wouldn't have to depict Collinsport during the winter if they placed 10 weeks of Barnabas' cure in the late fall and winter and decided to skip over those 10 weeks by merely referring to their passage during one of Julia's voiceovers. And one would think, given the fact that they chose to set their comics during those 10 skipped weeks of Barnabas' cure, when the creators of the comic researched the time frame of those 10 weeks, they would have realized that they took place in the late fall and the winter, and thus during the time when the transition from 1990 to 1991 took place. But apparently not... But then, as we'll see, that was hardly the only instance where they didn't think things completely through...
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Your explanation of the meaning makes sense, but in seeing it I didn't think of it that way.
Exactly, Josette. I think it went over the heads of many people, including myself.
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It states that issue 2 was published in August of 1992, and that the publication schedule was erratic. So maybe the first one came out in June
I'd have to dig out my ShadowGrams from 1992 to be sure of exact release dates. But I keep my issues in the envelopes that Innovation mailed them in and Book One, Issue One is postmarked April '92, while Book One, Issue Two is postmarked July.
Only the first issue of the third "book" was released when Innovation, the publisher, went out of business. I wonder if the complete storyline planned for that "book" was ever posted online.
SG may have given some indication of where Book Three was to be headed. I believe they may have also shared some unpublished artwork from Book Three...
Despite their disclaimer, the comics do seem to make use of material from the original series that weren't a part of the Universe of the 1991 iteration. For instance, in one story, Liz warns Vicki not to set foot in the basement, and Carolyn asks her what she's hiding, to Liz's displeasure. This idea of Liz keeping the basement locked up and warning people away from it wasn't spoken of in the 1991 episodes that I saw, at least, I don't recall it ever being mentioned.
No references to staying away from the basement ever came up on the '91 Series. And I believe what Innovation's disclaimer may have actually meant was that unless they introduced any elements from the original show into the comics, those elements from the original show didn't exist in the world of the comics. However, one thing I do know for sure is that they stated that if they "borrowed" any elements from the original show, they planned to take them in different directions, so essentially they wouldn't be the same as what took place on the original show. Though we'll never know if they would have stuck to that or not. But another thing I do know is that Innovation definitely planned to reveal that Liz was Vicki's mother...
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Now that you mention it, I do recall a conversation in one of the Innovation books where Roger asks why Elizabeth was so bound and determined to hire Vicki as the governess. Elizabeth's very frosty response, something along the lines of I have my reasons, indicated that it was not a topic that she was going to discuss.
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Thanks for the further info, MB. The whole period of the early to mid 1990s was hellishly busy for me. It was also when I had my first few brushes with DS fandom. I really needed something that wasn't academic in my life.
With all the caveats you mention, thus far I think this comic book series was about 5000 percent superior to the "Gold Key" books.
Thanks again to yourself and Midnite for your work on this. I am enjoying it.
cheers, G.
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One of today's drawings definitely feels like a continuity error. I don't recall Barnabas's hands sporting those Nosferatu-nails when we saw him take out the hidden coffer of jewels in the original 1991 episode.
G.
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I guess, Gothic, that writers will take liberties in correcting perceived errors in the original "bibles." It would make sense that Barnabas would be rather "scruffy" after being chained in a coffin for 200 years devoid of blood to keep him "young" rather than continuing to "age" while still alive. To me, the '04 version made the most sense when Willie and his girlfriend opened Barnabas' grave and found an emaciated, mummified-like "corpse." As more blood is consumed, the aging process ceases and reverses. Stoker referred to that in Dracula, where the count first appeared as a grey-haired old man because the blood he consumed in Transylvania was "old." When he relocated to England where the blood was "younger" his aging reversed and his hair returned to its pre-geriatric state without the benefit of Clairol.
Gerard
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I'd have to dig out my ShadowGrams from 1992 to be sure of exact release dates. But I keep my issues in the envelopes that Innovation mailed them in and Book One, Issue One is postmarked April '92, while Book One, Issue Two is postmarked July.
SG may have given some indication of where Book Three was to be headed. I believe they may have also shared some unpublished artwork from Book Three...
Curiosity got the better of me and I did dig out my SGs. I discovered a whole bunch of stuff that I'd totally forgotten SG had shared. As soon as I have the chance to format much of it for the forum, I'll share it...
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Here's the first thing to share from SG. It comes from Issue 58, November 1991:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_58_4.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_58_5.jpg)
It's interesting to see Page 4 without the dialogue.
I'm going to hold off sharing any more for now because a lot of it has to do with pages we haven't reached yet...
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I know Andy Mangels a bit from Facebook. Excellent writer and seems like a very nice guy. I wonder what happened with his DS story.
I also find it interesting that of the three DS comic series published, only the Innovation stories have not been reprinted in a paperback collection. Though I don't know if any of the other Innovation comics have been.
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1991 DS fans must have been so excited when that initial announcement broke. Too bad they were disappointed.
Again, I am enjoying it thus far...
G.
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Here's the eighth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note that this page contains dialogue and a panel that was not featured in the slideshow...
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Heartbreaking. And worthy of note given that this is a scene we never actually saw, so far as I am aware, in any of the versions of this narrative. (I don't count the Burton/Depp film because they changed how Barnabas was released in that.)
G.
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Here's the nineth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note that this page contains dialogue and a panel that was not featured in the slideshow...
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One of today's drawings definitely feels like a continuity error. I don't recall Barnabas's hands sporting those Nosferatu-nails when we saw him take out the hidden coffer of jewels in the original 1991 episode.
No, he definitely didn't:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Nails1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Nails2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Nails3.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Nails4.jpg)
Plus on the show there was no sign of the music box in the jewel/coin chest...
There's also an even bigger continuity error between the show and the comic. Some might even say a huge error. Does anyone else remember what it is?
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Not sure. Is it occur in what we've already seen in the slideshow? Knowing DS, there's bound to be more than one major blooper.
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Is it occur in what we've already seen in the slideshow?
Yup. In fact, it's occurred in the last few pages that I've shared from the comic.
Knowing DS, there's bound to be more than one major blooper.
Oh yes! [snow_wink]
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I obviously can't tell since I'm so unschooled in the 1991 series. I'm astonished I noticed the detail of Barnabas's hands in that one shot.
I remember reading a few years later how DC claimed that this was going to be a "blooper free" version of the story. Then people were writing into the zine letter columns and the BBS groups or whatever was around then about all the bloopers they spotted. The only one I remember was seeing a wristwatch on somebody in a 1790 scene.
G.
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There were a few more. I think there's a light switch that makes an appearance in the 1790 sequence. And, of course, there's the palm trees that make periodic cameos.
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Two shots that summed up DS 91 for me: Julia in Jackie Oh sunglasses reading by the swimming pool in beautiful downtown Burbank, Maine. LOL. And Joe's beefcake shot sprawled on the deck of his boat with a pouty Carolyn looking on.
It all looked very LA...
G.
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Here's the tenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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And Joe's beefcake shot sprawled on the deck of his boat with a pouty Carolyn looking on.
Something that's quite interesting about that whole sequence is that even though it doesn't appear until the sixth hour of the series, it was one of the first things shot. When production of the series began on July 23, 1990, it actually began at Ports O'Call and Fisherman's Wharf in San Pedro, CA. They served as settings for Collinsport and the water just beyond it. In order to help to curb high production costs, DC directed scenes there for multiple eps.
I think there's a light switch that makes an appearance in the 1790 sequence.
I've never noticed that.
And, of course, there's the palm trees that make periodic cameos.
The only sequence that I'm aware of where palm trees make an appearance (and in the background at that) is the above scene with Joe and Carolyn when Joe is pulling his boat out of the harbor:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/palms.jpg)
If there are others, I'm not aware of them - and none of the forum's members have ever pointed other scenes out. And, naturally, we can thank DC for them appearing in that above scene because he's the one who directed it...
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Guess I never noticed the palm trees before, but even so it puts Dan Curtis in classic company. In the Bond movie, You Only Live Twice you see a supposed Russian spacecraft launch but there are palm trees in the background. Lol.
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Guess I never noticed the palm trees before
Well, you're not alone because Midnite and I never noticed them either until Gerard pointed them out back in '04...
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Palm trees! Palm trees! Palms Trees! PALM TREES!!!!!!! This is the big one, Elizabeth! I'm coming!
Gerard
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Guess I never noticed the palm trees before, but even so it puts Dan Curtis in classic company. In the Bond movie, You Only Live Twice you see a supposed Russian spacecraft launch but there are palm trees in the background. Lol.
In DePalma's Carrie, even though also set in Maine, there were palm trees, palm trees, palm trees, PALM TREES!!!!! And Carpenter's Halloween, set in Illinois, the vehicles sported Californian license plates, California license plates, California license plates, CALIFORNIA LICENSE PLATES!!!!!!
Gerard
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When production of the series began on July 23, 1990, it actually began at Ports O'Call and Fisherman's Wharf in San Pedro, CA. They served as settings for Collinsport and the water just beyond it. In order to help to curb high production costs, DC directed scenes there for multiple eps.
As a native San Pedran, I can tell you that DC did all of that filming within a very tiny part of the harbor. (If you go to that spot now, there are hardly any fishing boats left. It's all about the marina now and the private boats. Very sad.)
Anyway, there's a huge parking lot between the narow channel seen in the capture and the palm trees, which surround the main entrance to Ports O' Call. So it's not like the trees were right next to where Joe kept his boat, and you'd have to focus on the distant background to notice them in the shot while filming.
At the beginning of David Selby's movie "Raise the Titanic" (made before evidence was discovered that the ship was not intact), a spy on a frozen island north of Russia comes upon the famous Arctic Pine Tree. He is right next to it. What were they thinking??
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As someone who's lived in New England most of my life since 1986, it's always so blatantly obvious when a film or TV show is supposed to be set here and it's so obviously either Southern California, or Vancouver.
I love it in the old 1940s movies when we're supposed to be in the Valley of the Kings in Egypt and I'm wondering if it's Topanga Canyon, Laurel Canyon or somewhere similar...
G.
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And, of course, there's the palm trees that make periodic cameos.
Oh yes! While everyone seems to remember seeing them at the harbor, that's something I don't remember. BUT, I do recall palm trees on the Collinwood grounds in a scene or two. I want to say they were in the duel sequence, but that might not be where I saw them.
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I'm curious about the site of the currently depicted action in the story. I'm wondering if this is meant to be the 1991 version of Wyndcliffe. I don't recall this setting in the 1991 episodes but, again, it's been a long while. I saw most of them once when I collected the videotapes sometime around 2004, then got rid of them all after I'd viewed the shows.
G.
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While everyone seems to remember seeing them at the harbor, that's something I don't remember. BUT, I do recall palm trees on the Collinwood grounds in a scene or two. I want to say they were in the duel sequence, but that might not be where I saw them.
I've never noticed them, but there might be other scenes where palm trees are seen in the background. However, it's not likely that if palm trees are seen that they're on the Greystone grounds. And I say that because of this:
Southern California offers a seemingly inexhaustible supply of homes -- old and new -- for film use. Typical is Greystone Manor, part of Greystone Park and onetime Doheny estate lying above Sunset Blvd. in Beverly Hills. Now the berth of the American Film Institute, Greystone offers an opulent appearance for exteriors and interiors.
One of its chief assets, unusual for its Southern California locale, is the total absence of palm trees on its 18 1/2 acres, making the Manor a likely stand-in for luxurious European residences. Originally constructed from 1925 to 1928, the house cost $4,000,000.
The interior, which the Beverly Hills Chamber of Commerce Visitors' Bureau is helping to refurbish and refurnish by conducting weekend tours, has 55 rooms and includes marble floors, hand-carved stairways and handrails, and rare woods which studio technicians would find impossible to duplicate.
The forecourt, which has been used for innumerable commercials, particularly automobiles, is sturdy and in keeping with the rest of the Tudor edifice. An episode of "Columbo," which went to England for exteriors, used Greystone for many interior shots.
A part of the Beverly Hills Park Dept., the handsome structure and grounds are available with a permit at all times for filmmakers. A split-fee arrangement between Beverly Hills and Greystone can be arranged, and the interior of the mansion must be returned to its original condition by the filmmakers.
Formal gardens, a swimming pool, wooded areas, orchards, lawns and walkways offer superb scenery for films requiring luxurious settings. And there's a minimum of telephone poles.
Greystone is accessible, and its unique appearance suggests faraway places with sweet sounding names. "We did 'The Woman I Love' locally, and that had an extremely good look," says Universal's Frank Price.
Despite the difficulties involved in filming the exterior -- the trees and foliage are all but impenetrable for the lens, so the magnitude and the handsome architecural advantages of the house are lost behind the greenery -- there are good vistas and excellent interiors useful to the creator who seeks European elegance on the palace level.
If anyone can pinpoint scenes other than the one at the harbor where palm trees are seen, I'd love to hear about them because I've never noticed them.
At the beginning of David Selby's movie "Raise the Titanic" (made before evidence was discovered that the ship was not intact), a spy on a frozen island north of Russia comes upon the famous Arctic Pine Tree. He is right next to it. What were they thinking??
LOL! That actually reminds me of an article I read several years back and I'm shocked I was able to find it again:
Palm Trees in Ireland? (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/palm-trees-in-ireland-36548780/)
Who knows - maybe the Collinses brought some of the trees in the article with them to the New World, or maybe they had them brought? And like many other things in Collinsport, they mutated!! [b003]
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I'm curious about the site of the currently depicted action in the story. I'm wondering if this is meant to be the 1991 version of Wyndcliffe. I don't recall this setting in the 1991 episodes but, again, it's been a long while.
The site was never seen in the '91 Series and was simply dreamed up for the comic. (On the series, Julia did all her research in her lab at Collinwood.) It's mostly obscured by a dialogue bubble, but what is shown of the title of the building is:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Lab.jpg)
I quite honestly think that something that Julia keeps at this other lab is one of the chief reasons why the comic gave Julia a second lab. It would have been hard to explain why Julia would keep them at Collinwood. Plus, there will be a rather gratuitous event taking place soon within the comic's story which also requires an alternate location to Collinwood...
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Here's the eleventh page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And note that this page contains dialogue and panels (one featuring some rather significant artwork) that were not featured in the slideshow...
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I forgot to mention that eagle-eyed fans of the '91 series will no doubt notice that something is missing in this drawing -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Pages2-3a.jpg)
- though it's not the type of thing I was referring to when I mentioned goofs earlier because those are all storyline continuity goofs. Here I'm referring to a setting goof...
What's missing? Well, isn't it obvious:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Wall_sconce.jpg)
Though it might be forgivable. And I don't honestly recall if they make the same mistake again. I suppose time will tell...
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On the other hand -
One of today's drawings definitely feels like a continuity error. I don't recall Barnabas's hands sporting those Nosferatu-nails when we saw him take out the hidden coffer of jewels in the original 1991 episode.
There's also an even bigger continuity error between the show and the comic. Some might even say a huge error. Does anyone else remember what it is?
- the comic presents everything that it depicts as transpiring between Barnabas and Willie in the secret room after Barnabas has attacked Willie as having taken place all at one time. Barnabas questions Willie and right after that questioning Barnabas also removes the jewel chest from its hiding place in the wall. However, in the actual pilot, after we see Barnabas grab Willie's throat, when we next see Barnabas he's out and about in Collinsport where he attacks Daphne at her car, and it isn't until well after that attack, the police have responded to it, and Daphne is being treated at the hospital that we then see Barnabas go back to the mausoleum's secret room to remove the jewel chest from its hiding place. We also see Willie, quite obviously in shock, on the floor of the secret room -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Willie_in_shock.jpg)
- and looking like he wouldn't have been able to put even two words together, much less hold a conversation - but that's another story...
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Here's the twelveth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note that this page contains dialogue and panels that were not featured in the slideshow...
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No One thought to write a line about hating those meeses to pieces?
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I think the comic book may have already jumped the shark. The dialogue exchange in the past two days has been absolutely painful. Though there's a kind of ironic appropriateness to Julia telling Barn he's "sanguine" on V Day...
G.
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Even though they set up the trip to the lab as going somewhere to discuss Barnabas' treatment, quite obviously the real reason is to show vampire mice and to have Barn attack and kill the cleaning lady. [snow_rolleyes] Julia and Barn will, however, have their discussion of his treatment down the road in this issue, and in a location that's always made perfect sense in every version of DS, so it only calls more attention to how needless an excursion going to the lab is. And what's interesting is that, unless I'm forgetting, I don't think they ever go back to that lab.
As for jumping the shark, well, just wait because IMO there's an upcoming plot development in Book One that jumps a lot more than a mere shark. Thankfully, though, as things progress there are other aspects of the plot that are quite interesting and almost make up for it...
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No One thought to write a line about hating those meeses to pieces?
Though there might be more than a few fans who thought it...
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I know this is meaningless given that it's me, but I thought the cleaning lady was depicted with a very notable resemblance to an older Grayson, as she looked in the Seventies.
The dialogue yesterday and the way the characters were positioned made one wonder if the subtext was that Barnabas wanted to have a threeway with Julia and Vicki. *eyeroll*
G.
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I know this is meaningless given that it's me, but I thought the cleaning lady was depicted with a very notable resemblance to an older Grayson, as she looked in the Seventies.
That's possible - and given the cleaning lady becomes Barnabas' victim, how ironic would it have been?
The dialogue yesterday and the way the characters were positioned made one wonder if the subtext was that Barnabas wanted to have a threeway with Julia and Vicki. *eyeroll*
You're not the only one who thought that...
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It would seem odd to me, no matter how desperate Barnabas was to satiate his appetite, would kill that cleaning woman and leave such a mess. It would've taken a long time to for him to clean up that mess and then dump the body. And did he kill her before he drained her so she wouldn't "turn?"
Gerard
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I'm surprised that no one has noticed or at least mentioned that in his portrait in the comic Barnabas is looking in the wrong direction:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Pages2-3a.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Wall_sconce.jpg)
It seems an odd mistake - but who knows, maybe it wasn't a "mistake" because maybe it was some sort of copyright thing. Perhaps the artist who did the portrait for the series wouldn't allow the portrait to be completely duplicated for the comic and so E. Silas Smith, who illustrated all the covers and the insides of Book One of the comic, made the slight adjustment of having Barn look in a different direction. Or maybe not. Who knows? And we probably won't ever know...
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Here's the thirteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And note once again that this page contains dialogue and a panel that were not featured in the slideshow...
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Here's the fourteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And take note that this page contains dialogue and panels that weren't featured in the slideshow...
Also, it might be hard to see in the scan, but Willie is holding a copy of Anne Rice's The Vampire Lestat.
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Of course, fans of the '91 DS know that Liz actually delivers today's quote "BARNABAS COLLINS FROM ENGLAND--? WELCOME TO COLLINWOOD" in the foyer -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/Liz_greets_Barn.jpg)
- when she comes to meet Barnabas by herself and not in the drawing room with Roger and Carolyn.
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Liz_greets_Barn_comic.jpg)
And similarly when Barn replies "Thank you, dear cousin. I've been looking forward to this moment for so long" to Liz:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/Barn_replies.jpg)
But changing the location is hardly the first "liberty" the comics take with the series - and it won't be the last...
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Were they supposed to be actually depicting the series or just doing a version based on the series?
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From what I have seen thus far, like all the other comics and book series and the rest spun off the various versions of DS, it's an alternate timeline or "Parallel Time" to the universe of the 1991 DS. Just in a few pages both the writing and the artwork have made it clear that it's not showing us events of the actual 1991 DS verse. Not if you accept any definition of canon known to this writer, at least.
G.
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Given what we've seen of the comics so far, it's easy to see how someone might come away with the idea that they were doing something merely based on the '91 Series and/or an alternate version of it. But that's not the case. As co-creator of the comics, David Campiti put it: "A lot of elements in the new series were left unexplained or underdeveloped. Our first 4-parter takes place in the continuity of the 3rd hour of the mini-series, where Julia says 'It's been 10 weeks since we started Barnabas' cure.' A lot can happen in 10 weeks - and it did." Campiti also said that questions examined in the comics are: "How does vampirism work? Why did some people die from a vampire bite, while others didn't? How could Barnabas give Josette a music box in 1790, when they didn't exist yet? Exactly what are the family relationships? What is the secret of Victoria's past? All these unanswered questions, and many other, will be dealt with." They also explore how Barnabas, a product of the 18th century, deals with the 20th century - and how he hopes to convincingly fit in with no suspicion (and that's where we're presently at in Book1/Issue1). But what's probably most important is that Campiti also said the storylines and characters in the first 4 comics (Book1) "read as though we've written 4 excellent hours of the show and dropped them at that point right into the TV mini-series' continuity" with the word "continuity" being the most important word there. Though as we've plainly seen already, despite that claim, the continuity of the comics doesn't always jibe with the continuity of the mini-series. And this is also despite the fact that the comics were also presented as containing what were to be considered new elements of canon within the '91 Series...
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It's probably worth pointing out that the scene in the drawing actually begins with Carolyn delivering today's quote: "I CAN'T GET OVER IT. YOU LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE MAN IN THE PORTRAIT!" -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/Carolyn_portrait.jpg)
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It's understandable when a continuation (or whatever one wants to call it) of something original wants to "clean up" the illogical premises of the original. I'm all for that. My biggest beef with the OS, '91 and even '04 (now that it's finally available free on-line) is how Barnabas is released from his grave after being "shacked up" for 200-or-so years and within a few days manages to blend into society, knowing everything about stuff like how a zipper and neck-tie work to what the latest trendy thing is. The '12 movie version took that head-on and did it wonderfully.
Gerard
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It's understandable when a continuation (or whatever one wants to call it) of something original wants to "clean up" the illogical premises of the original. I'm all for that.
That's one of the things the comics mostly get right. Apart for some timeline placement/continuity issues, overall, the flashbacks are well done.
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Before Barnabas delivers today's quote: "THE COLLINS BLOOD DOES HAVE A RATHER PERSISTENT STRENGTH. I MUST ADMIT I, MYSELF, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN QUITE FASCINATED BY THE RESEMBLANCE..." -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/Barn_Collins_blood.jpg)
- in response to Carolyn's observation, Liz actually says "It is amazing, isn't it?" and Carolyn chuckles - but given that neither Liz' remark nor Carolyn's chuckle is all that significant, it's easy to see why the comic dropped them. Well, that and was there really any room left in that panel for yet more dialogue bubbles?! [wink2]
And even though it's far from a humorous moment in the scene, I've always found it humorous that Barnabas' lie actually amounts to how he finds fascinating what is really his resemblance to himself. [laugh]
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Here's the fifteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And take note that this page contains dialogue and a panel that weren't featured in the slideshow...
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Now that we've moved past the flashback scene to the drawing room when Barnabas introduces himself, I'd like to share two of the extras that were given to subscribers of the comics. We've already seen how the first issue was autographed, but in addition to that, David Campiti drafted a welcome letter -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Campiti_letter.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Campiti_letter.jpg) for a 1528X2070 version)
- and an 8X10 cast photo with all the actors who'd taken part in the entire drawing room scene (sadly, not autographed - and which had been published in the DS Companion shortly before the '91 DS premiered) -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Cast_photo.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Cast_photo.jpg) for a 2009X1328 version)
- was also included.
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I wasn't a subscriber, prefering to get my comics when I visited the local comic book store each week. I do have the cast photo that I purchased at Jerry Ohlinger's store in NYC. I don't suppose that subscribers got a refund on the issues that didn't come out.
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It's probably obvious, but just in case it's not, today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0225ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue One/Page 16 - Liz: 'DEAR BROTHER, WE DO
NOT NEED DAVID PUTTING SPIDERS IN WITH MY TEA BAGS!'
- takes place back in the present of the comic on the day Julia has taken Barnabas and Vicki to the lab. Two panels and bits of dialogue from Page 16 have been skipped because, as we'll see when I share Page 16, all they really do is established that the three are back at Collinwood, that Julia has dropped Vicki off in Collinwood's courtyard before she brings Barnabas home, and that Vicki thanks Julia for a cheeseburger.
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I don't suppose that subscribers got a refund on the issues that didn't come out.
Nope. SG announced that supposedly Innovation was going to give refunds, but they never did.
Actually, one of the reasons Midnite and I felt pretty safe to do a slideshow featuring the comics is because it's extremely unlikely that anyone who was connected to Innovation would come after us for what they might perceive as possible copyright issues because if they surfaced publicly, they might easily risk creditors pouncing and/or subscribers to the DS comics (and perhaps subscribers to other Innovation comics as well) coming after them for refunds.
(My original thought was perhaps going back to the slideshow for the '04 DS pilot, correcting errors, and sharing actual screen caps. However, when Midnite and I could no longer locate a copy of the pilot on YouTube, we figured it had been taken down again for copyright issues...)
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Quite interesting, to say the least. Bill Mumy just announced that his Lost in Space story Voyage to the Bottom of the Soul, which was also left unfinished when Innovation went under, is being reprinted in complete form later this year. David Campiti is on Facebook, though I have not friended him, so I have no idea if he is still active in comics. I don't recall seeing him at any shows.
More drama about the 2004 pilot? Why am I not surprised? I think that I know at least one of the people who reported it, as he has bragged about doing it in at least one group. To say that he has dubious standards is an understatement.
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Actually, one of the reasons Midnite and I felt pretty safe to do a slideshow featuring the comics is . . .
I'd been thinking of asking how you could post these!!
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Here's the sixteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And take note that this page contains quite a bit of dialogue and panels that weren't featured in the slideshow...
And apparently there was a full moon shining in the top right panel. [wink2]
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And apparently there was a full moon shining in the top right panel. [wink2]
[laughing4]
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Something has always bothered me about yesterday's exchange in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0228ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue One/Page 16 - Roger: 'ELIZABETH, WHEN
ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THAT GIRL WHY YOU REALLY
BROUGHT HER HERE?'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0228ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue One/Page 16 - Liz: 'IN MY OWN GOOD
TIME, ROGER--'
Sure, it's obviously establishing that there's more to Vicki being hired as David's governess than meets the eye. (And those of us who've read about the plans they had for the comics know that it was going to be revealed that Vicki is Liz daughter.) But the exchange, at least to me, seems to imply that Roger is aware Liz had a hidden motive in bringing Vicki to Collinwood and he may even know what that motive is. However, that flys in the face of Roger and Liz's first scene together in the pilot where Roger is none too happy that Vicki has been brought to Collinwood, he doesn't see the need for her, and he practically demands to know why Liz did indeed bring her, but Liz uses excuses like how she has faith in their lawyer (he found Vicki), Vicki is highly qualified, and Roger shouldn't continue to deny the fact that the town school will never take David back (for some mysterious reason that at that time we didn't know). Clearly Roger had no knowledge that Liz had a hidden reason - and clearly Liz gave no hint that she might have had one. And that all begs the question of just when did Roger find out that Liz did have a hidden reason and perhaps even discover what it is when Liz' behavior gave no clue, and even if she did have a hidden reason, she clearly didn't want Roger to suspect that she did? The comics claimed to be answering questions left unanswered by the '91 series, not creating new questions...
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I suppose it's possible that Elizabeth may have had more than one hidden reason for bringing Vicki to Collinwood. Or that Roger only thinks he knows why.
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But my real problem is that clearly in the comic, by stating she'll reveal it to Vicki in her own good time, Liz lets on that she has a hidden reason - whereas in the pilot Liz lets on no such thing. So, regardless of whether he actually knows or only suspects what it is, when/how did Roger even get clued in that there IS any sort of hidden reason - and especially one that Liz willingly confirms exists?
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It seems as if we're only a few pages into the first issue and already there have been several moments that, even with my really limited knowledge of the 1991 series, just do not fit at all with the story and characters as established in the canon of the actual episodes.
I mean compared to some of these dialogue exchanges, the visual gaffes you've cited have been really trivial.
Enjoying this series for what it is rather than what it could have been, nevertheless. Thanks MB for all your effort with this.
G.
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Sorry about the extreme lateness with today's installment in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0303ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue One/Page 17 - Julia: 'DON'T BE SO
CERTAIN, BARNABAS. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SPEAK WITH
YOU ALL EVENING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS US
BOTH.'
Until about 30 minutes ago I'd been without electricity since about 2pm yesterday when the wild rain storm that struck the northeast yesterday knocked it out. (Here's a photo (http://www.dsboards.com/Austen.jpg) of how I was doing some work last night at my dining room table. I told friends I felt like I was living back in the times of a Jane Austen novel. The only thing missing was a feather quill and a ink bottle! [wink2] It's amazing how much we miss the modern convenience of electricity when we don't have it!!)
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I mean compared to some of these dialogue exchanges, the visual gaffes you've cited have been really trivial.
Exactly!
Enjoying this series for what it is rather than what it could have been, nevertheless.
That's how I feel, too. Though today's quote begins to set up what's a, uh, rather unique twist, and to this day I still don't fully know what I think about it. I understand why they did it. But I still don't know if I think it was really necessary. But everyone can judge for themselves as it unfolds...
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MB, glad you got power back. The photo looks as if you were enjoying (?) your very own flashback to 1795....
I have no idea what the latest storyline twist is in the comic book--you have certainly piqued my curiosity!
G.
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MB, it's times like that when we wish they still made and sold manual typewriters (maybe they do; I don't know). I still have mine going all the way back to my junior high days and it took me all the way through graduate college. Of course, the major problem is they no longer make ribbons for them (as far as I know).
Gerard
P.S. If someone here needs to ask what a "ribbon" is, you're really, really young.
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Gerard - I think I bought a ribbon a few years ago. I don't know if it's hard to find the right one, but I think they still exist!!
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I did a google search after Gerard posted and I saw something called a "universal typewriter ribbon" on sale. I don't know how that would work since different machines had different gears and/or gauges. There were also the more traditional ribbons that we used to have so apparently, the ribbons are still produced. But you'd almost certainly have to order one online.
We really are in alterna-verse land with where the book is going now. I always thought the 1991 Julia was British since if she had been American, I'm sure Barbara would have done an accent. Also, there were no Witch trials of the type described in 18th century Maine (which was of course a part of Massachusetts back then--as all DS fans know!).
G.
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We really are in alterna-verse land with where the book is going now. I always thought the 1991 Julia was British since if she had been American, I'm sure Barbara would have done an accent.
I don't recall them giving much of a background for Julia, which is one of the reasons the comics' writers wanted to do so. What you've seen so far is the plausible part. Remember back when I said IMO an upcoming plot development in Book One jumps a lot more than a mere shark? Well, this is it. Just wait...
Also, there were no Witch trials of the type described in 18th century Maine (which was of course a part of Massachusetts back then--as all DS fans know!).
Yes, Maine didn't secede from Massachusetts until 1820 so that sign should have said "Barrettstown Massachusetts" because Julia is talking about events of the 1700s. And the funny thing is that will sort of be brought up in an upcoming letters column, but the answer won't be particularly satisfying. But then, so few of the answers to readers' questions/complaints are addressed satisfactorily...
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I should add that the jumping point doesn't start until the end of Book 1/Issue 2...
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Here's the seventeenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And take note that this page contains several bits of dialogue and a couple panels that weren't featured in the slideshow...
And apparently the full moon is no longer shining over the Collinwood estate - well, at least not in the top right panel on this page...
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The whole British accent thing reminds me of one of my favorite Roseanne episodes where her cousin Ronnie (played by Joan Collins, who I think would've made a perfect Laura Murdoch Stockbridge Weinerlodz Brzesinski Whatever Collins in the '91 remake) comes to visit. There was bad blood between Roseanne and Ronnie for decades but they reconcile until old sores open again.
(Paraphrasing) Roseanne: "And where do you come off with that hoidy-toidy accent? You're from Illinois."
Ronnie: "I'm sorry if I don't have your dolcent tones."
Roseanne: "You've been talking that way ever since you were in that play."
Gerard
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Time to share more from SG. This comes from Issue 59, February 1992 (and part of it will be a sneak peak of a Soap Opera Weekly article that SG reprinted, but I'll be sharing the actual article tomorrow or so, so that's why I cut it off...):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_59_4_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_59_4_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_59_5_2.jpg)
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Interesting little tidbit about Dark Shadows novels, which did come to pass some time afterwards without any producy from Mr. Campiti. Has any information about those novels surfaced over the years?
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I honestly didn't remember. But he said he'd have more info in the next SG, and so I just checked. He does. And we'll see what it is once we get into Book 1/Issue 2. And if you wonder how long that will be, Issue 2 will begin before the end of this month...
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Here's the eighteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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I am not seeing any artifacting in the smaller scan here. I'm running some outdated version of Windows here and an outdated Mac OS X at home. Looking via Chrome in both places.
Since Julia's own family members were among the "living dead" (or whatever), this begs the question as to why she was so obsessive in her initial pursuit of Barnabas. I can't recall if the script for the 1991 initial confrontation when Julia reveals her "research interest" to Barnabas includes the dialogue about her long search for someone who could span the worlds of the dead and the living.
That Barretttown storyline (one wonders if the town name is an odd tip of the cape to Nancy Barrett?) really slithered way down the cliff very quickly from what I recall of the issues I did see way back when.
G.
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The Soap Opera Weekly article, from the December 10, 1991 issue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/DS_DB_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/DS_DB_2.jpg)
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Since Julia's own family members were among the "living dead" (or whatever), this begs the question as to why she was so obsessive in her initial pursuit of Barnabas.
I'm not sure exactly when it will come up, but I remember Campiti claiming that his reasoning for giving Julia the background that he does in the comic is to flesh exactly why Julia is so obsessive in pursuing Barn. Take that for what you will.
I can't recall if the script for the 1991 initial confrontation when Julia reveals her "research interest" to Barnabas includes the dialogue about her long search for someone who could span the worlds of the dead and the living.
I don't recall her saying anything like that then (or even at any point in the series) - but I'll check out the scene just to be sure.
That Barretttown storyline (one wonders if the town name is an odd tip of the cape to Nancy Barrett?) really slithered way down the cliff very quickly from what I recall of the issues I did see way back when.
Oh, so you do recall what's coming up. Though saying it slithers down a cliff very quickly is putting it mildly. But as I've said, thank heavens there are other plots in the comics that, well, if they don't exactly make up for it, they at least balance it and come across as much more satisfying from a perspective of what we're used to thinking of as an actual DS plot.
The comment Campiti relates in the SOW article above about Curtis' people saying that if they'd seen the proposed plots for the comic, Campiti and Rockwell would have been writing for the TV show is both interesting and frightening. All I can say is given which aspects of Book1 that Campiti takes credit for and which aspects Rockwell takes credit for (both of which we will learn along the way), all I can say is in certain respects thank heavens Campiti was nowhere near the TV show! Rockwell, on the other hand, might have made for an interesting addition. And the really interesting thing there is that Campiti is the longtime DS fan and Rockwell was never a fan until after he signed on to do the comics...
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I seem to remember reading (and I don't remember where at this point) that the town was initially going to be called Bennettstown. I don't remember why it was changed.
And, yes, the shark is about to be jumped. Big time!
On a more amusing note, the fact that E. Silas Smith lived in Twin Peaks is just one of my favorite DS references.
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Here's the nineteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
I have to say I was very intrigued when I first read that last bit: "--AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY GOOD AT REVENGE." But I'm not quite sure if it's ever followed up on. It might be. I suppose it all depends on how one looks at it. But if it is, it's not in the way I thought is was possibly portending. Or maybe the comics were just never able to get to that point...
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SG #59 also shared the artwork for Julia's monologue about Barrettstown:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_59_5_1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_59_5_1.jpg) for a 1202X920 version)
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Here's the twentieth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And take note that the page contains a panel and several bits of dialogue that weren't included in the slideshow...
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As we get closer to the end of Book1 Issue1, I want to begin to share other things in the issue. To start off, here's the first page of the first article (twenty-fifth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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Here's the second page of the first article (twenty-sixth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Considering how E. Silas Smith altered Barn's portrait, it's interesting that the article features a photo of the actual artist working on it. And the only other place that I'm aware that the photo of Vicki and Carolyn was ever published was in SG #51 - but of course there it was in B&W.
The article has one more page to go...
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I especially like the picture of Joanna Going and Barbara Blackburn! Thank you so much for sharing this, MB! I don't think I've seen any of these pictures elsewhere.
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I probably should have mentioned that the Vicki/Carolyn photo was taken during the production of the pilot (SG #51 is dated June 1990). Actually, I believe all three were taken during that time. The photo with DC looks like they were setting up for the scene in the pilot in which Barnabas explains about the clock.
And as far as I know the other two photos have never been published elsewhere.
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Here's the twenty-first page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And take note that the page contains a small bit of dialogue that wasn't included in the slideshow...
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Here's the last page of the first article (twenty-seventh page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page27.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page27.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Given just the discrepancies and liberties taken with the actual show that we've already seen, apparently their definition of "carefully" is a bit different from that of some fans. [snow_huh] And as we'll see, they wanted to take the story in some decidedly odd directions. [snow_strange] But as I've said, they also wanted to take things in some seemingly satisfying directions, so it's probably best to try to focus more on those aspects of the comics. (Though at this point in the slideshow some of the not so satisfying material is yet to come...)
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Here's the first page of the second article (twenty-eighth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page28.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page28.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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Be sure to check out all three quotes in today's slideshow - there hasn't been an entry with three in quite a while.
And who knew Barnabas liked to burn his victims' dead bodies? I'm pretty sure he's never done that in any version of DS. "Burial or disposal in the sea," on the other hand, is one of his frequent methods in all but hoDS, in which he does just leave them "lying about in plain sight for anyone to stumble over"...
And if I recall correctly, Barnabas' explanation of what Julia termed "the mechanism" of vampirism is going to come back to haunt the comic because at least one reader is going to take exception with one aspect of the explanation once we get to the letters in the feedback column (which begins with Book1, Issue 2)...
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Here's the second page of the second article (twenty-ninth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page29.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page29.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
It's interesting that the finished version of the sketch of Vicki in the top left corner of the page and the finished version of the sketch in the bottom right corner of the page turned up being Book1, Issue 1, Page 1 and part of Book 1, Issue 1, Page 7, respectively, but a finished version of the center sketch is nowhere to be seen anywhere in Book 1. I suspect, though, that it might have been a preliminary option for Book 1, Issue 2's cover - and we'll see why that is before too long...
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Barnabas usually left Willie or some other unlucky character to dispose of the empties. Burning the bodies would have drawn an awful lot of attention to the scene. I don't know how long it would take to burn but I'm quite certain that someone would have complained about the smell.
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I don't know how long it would take to burn but I'm quite certain that someone would have complained about the smell.
I would think so too, which is why it's an odd thing for Barn to say...
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And once again be sure to check out all three quotes in today's slideshow. This is the last time for Book 1, Issue 1 that there's an entry with three. Though several upcoming entries will have two...
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Here's the twenty-second page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And you'll notice that there are a few bits of dialogue that weren't included in the slideshow...
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And SG #59 also shared the artwork for Page 22 without the dialogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_59_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_59_5_3.jpg)
And the text tacked on to the bottom is the conclusion of the SG text posted back in reply #113. I've removed the part of the page that had nothing to do with the text.
I went hunting for what was supposedly going to appear in Soap Opera Digest, but if there was something, I couldn't find it. And I don't recall if I ever saw what was supposedly going to be in Fangoria. If it was published, I don't have it - and that may be because, if I did see it, it didn't feature anything that was much different from what was already in SG and SOW. And that may also be why SG didn't bother to share it.
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Here's the last page of the second article (thirtieth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page30.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page30.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
The top right of the page is of course the sketched version of Book 1, Issue 1, Page 13 - the center sketch is for the second poster, the slightly different finished version of which we'll be seeing on an upcoming page in the comic - and the sketches in the bottom left corner of Liz, Julia, Roger and Carolyn are all based on actual stills of those characters (some of which appear in the PomPress book Dark Shadows Resurrected), and we'll be seeing finished versions of them once I share the back cover of Book 1, Issue 1.
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Here's the next additional page in the comic, the ad/order form for the two Abbelare watches (thirty-first page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page31.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page31.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
If I'm not mistaken, both watches sold out...
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Even though one of them played the theme from Love Story!
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Oh really - I don't even remember that. Was it Barn's or Ang's? Though I supposed if one goes by the lyrics to the song, for either character's POV it would make sense: Barn for Josette and Ang for Barn
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I think it was for the Angelique watch. There was something printed somewhere that the watch company couldn't get the rights to use DS music.
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The irony of using Love Story for Ang is perfect! Though I suspect whoever picked it probably didn't think of that - they were probably just happy it was an easy song to get the rights to...
As for DS music, there are several pieces from the daytime show that could have worked, but none of them were used on the '91 series. There is a piece on the '91 soundtrack called Josette, Barnabas & Angelique, parts of which would have worked great for Josette and Barn, but I'm not so sure that the Ang part would have translated well to a watch.
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I didn't buy the watches myself. I thought that they were kind of pricey (and I thoroughly dislike the theme from Love Story). My friend bought them and probably still has them. There was a cute gimmick that one of the hands swept by, Barnabas "transformed" into a vampire. I think the eyes changed color and fangs appeared. Not entirely sure, as it's probably been 20 years since she showed them to me.
Kind of interesting that they were the first ones to package the item in a coffin shaped box.
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Here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
All I have to say about what's covered on this page regarding Barnabas intentions for Daphne is, if how he treated Daphne (carelessly leaving her body at the fountain, never even bothering to see her after she'd risen, and allowing her to run rampant to stalk David and attack Joe to the point of her ultimately being staked) is the way he treats someone he wanted to be his companion so that she could share the ages of darkness because of his crushing loneliness, I would hate to see how he would treat someone he could care less about, much less despise. ::)
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Here's the next additional page in the comic, the ad/order info for the two Innovation posters and info to subscribe to the comics (thirty-second page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page32.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page32.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
I remember that both of these did very well, but I don't recall if they sold out. But SG will probably mention it if they did...
And as I said back when I posted Page 30 in Reply #138 above, notice how the Angelique's Revenge poster is different from the initial sketch...
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Here's the inside back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
This one doesn't exactly feature any info that we didn't already know about at the time. In fact, it's info we'd known about for years, especially when it comes to the Fest and SG. However, future inside back covers will actually feature info that was new and exciting at the time.
One thing that is interesting is that the cover is dated June 1992 even though subscribers actually received the issue in April and it was also in stores in April. [snow_huh]
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Aren't comic books routinely post-dated? It seems to be a thing within the business, and I think that's been the case for many decades.
Thank you again for all your work on this project. It was interesting to have such a detailed look at this comic book.
Best, G.
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Aren't comic books routinely post-dated? It seems to be a thing within the business, and I think that's been the case for many decades.
Could be. I have no idea. I don't look at that many comic books. But if that's been the case, then that would explain it.
Thank you again for all your work on this project. It was interesting to have such a detailed look at this comic book.
There's plenty more to come with Book 1. We're not quite a quarter of the way through the whole story and we'll be starting Issue 2 on Friday...
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Dear God! *clutches throat dramatically, gasps, takes DEEP intake of breath*
Just when I thought it was SAFE to go back online!
Clutching newel-post,
G.
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Regarding the professional use of "cover dates," see the section on comic books here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_date
Interesting that the practice goes way back to the 1930s. And of course, Marvel has abandoned it altogether. Just to be different, no doubt.
G.
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I was certainly well aware that magazines rarely have the actual date they were published - the date is usually anywhere from a week to a month in the future. But it never dawned on me that comics might do the same. And it's interesting that they're normally dated two months later than the actual publication, which explains why Book 1, Issue 1 of the comic came out in April but is dated June.
You learn something every day. [snow_wink]
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Normally I would wait until the slideshow changes to post this. But I have so many things to post in this topic today that I'm going to start posting now. So, here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And that concludes the storyline portion of Book 1, Issue 1...
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And here's the back cover:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_BackCover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And that concludes everything about Book 1, Issue 1...
Some characters will repeat on the back cover of Book 1, Issue 2 - but three other characters will debut. But obviously more on that when we get to that back cover...
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Here's the front cover of Book 1, Issue 2 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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And SG #60 from May 1992 shared artwork that might turn out to be the cover for Issue 2 -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_1_a.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_1_b.jpg)
- and it obviously did become the cover.
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However, SG #58 shared a sketch of this preliminary cover for Issue 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_58_19.jpg)
Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_58_19.jpg) for a 996X1332version.
Sadly it didn't get used because I actually prefer it. (Though they definitely didn't ask me. [ghost_nowink] And there's actually a good reason why they didn't use it for Issue 2.) And after seeing this sketch and the actual cover of Issue 2, you can probably also see why I said the sketch of Ang and Barn in front of a tree on Page 29 of Issue 1 might have also been a preliminary sketch for the cover of Issue 2.
And it's interesting to get some insight into the thinking process that went behind the potential covers, as in how the tree actually symbolizes Angelique's curse on the Collins Family (which we won't learn about until an upcoming issue of Book 1). There's more depth behind the drawings than might be immediately perceived...
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Here's the inside front cover of Book 1, Issue 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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Because the letters column in Book 1, Issue 2 features reactions to Book1, Issue1, I'm going to begin posting it now rather than wait for when it comes up in Issue 2. So, here's the first page of the column (twenty-fifth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Also, news of the '91 Series' release on VHS first broke as a note stapled onto SG #60. However there were no details as of then - they were to come in SG #61. But Book 1, Issue 2 of the comic actually came out before SG #61, so the comic was what actually broke many of the details of the release. Though, considering that we're just beginning Issue 2, it'll be quite some time before we reach the back inside cover of the comic...
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Here's the second page of the letters column (twenty-sixth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Several of the people who had letters published who I happen to know personally weren't too thrilled that the comic decided to post their names and full addresses. It led to, shall we say, a lot of unsolicited mail, and we'll leave it at that. A few wrote to ask that the practice might be discontinued or at least that their addresses not be published again if any of their letters were shared in subsequent issues, but apparently that was too much to ask for from Innovation because they never changed the practice of publishing full addresses - and the fans who'd reached out to Innovation never received any sort of response from them as to why they insisted on doing it. And while it never actually dawned on me back in the day, why do I suspect now that Innovation might have actually been sharing fans' addresses with other parties?
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Here's the second page of the letters column (twenty-sixth page):
Several of the people who had letters published who I happen to know personally weren't too thrilled that the comic decided to post their names and full addresses. It led to, shall we say, a lot of unsolicited mail, and we'll leave it at that. A few wrote to ask that the practice might be discontinued or at least that their addresses not be published again if any of their letters were shared in subsequent issues, but apparently that was too much to ask for from Innovation because they never changed the practice of publishing full addresses - and the fans who'd reached out to Innovation never received any sort of response from them as to why they insisted on doing it. And while it never actually dawned on me back in the day, why do I suspect now that Innovation might have actually been sharing fans' addresses with other parties?
The practice of publishing names and addresses of the letter writers was not unique to Innovation. Marvel and DC did that for years. They were still doing that as recently as 5 years ago. They may still. I haven't picked up a comic book in several years now. Some of the regular letter hackers, such as Uncle Elvis and T. M. Maple, became cult figures in their own unique way.
The Dark Shadows articles that ran in Marvel's black and white magazine (Haunt of Horror or Vampire Tales, not sure which) were indirectly responsible for the birth of DS fandom. Young Kathleen Resch contacted the people who wrote in about the DS piece and that eventually led to the creation of TWODS and Shadowcon.
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Young Kathleen Resch contacted the people who wrote in about the DS piece and that eventually led to the creation of TWODS and Shadowcon.
That would have no doubt been a fun piece of mail to receive. But trust me, some of the mail I'm referring to was not fun. And several of the people who received it compared notes and none of them had ever received mail like it until after having their full addresses printed in the comics. So, unless suddenly receiving it was a amazingly remarkable coincidence for them all, the source for their addresses could be directly traced back to having their names in the Innovation comics. What's most interesting, though, is not everyone who had a letter or letters published received such less than wanted mail. Who knows what it was about the letter writers who did? Or maybe they were just unlucky enough to be targeted at random...
Once DS became more popular on the Internet, why do I suspect that the people behind those letters found it even more advantageous (for them, anyway) to act as the trolls that harassed places like the DS Newsgroup on Usenet? ::)
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Back in, the only thing I can call it is the "late-mid-seventies," a comic book company (and I don't remember which one) started a series of thick comics called Dracula Lives! They were all about the Count, from his "young" vampiric existence as Vlad Tepes, to his wonderings in 1890's London to today.
There was a fan-mail section and they published the full names and addresses of the writers. One of mine was published! I was so proud.
The comic book was of high quality with excellent stories and art work. It also brought controversy. One story dealt with the modern times in the Vatican where a priest is an exorcist who knows a prayer to dispatch vampires. Dracula hunts him down throughout the Vatican, impressed by the art (and here's what was controversial: he said he can't believe that such "religious fanatics" could produce it), but hindered by the many crosses, crucifixes and relics wherever he turns. He finally corners the priest and starts to kill him, the priest too weak to say the prayer. But before he dies, he informs Dracula that he has sent a copy to the grandson of Van Helsing who still hunts the vampire.
Dracula Lives! started a serialization of Stoker's novel and the artwork was, again impeccable. And then the company announced that the comic book would cease publication; not enough people were buying it. The serialization would continue in another one (and I don't remember the name) also published by the company. I bought them. And then, in a couple months, it also ceased publication.
Gerard
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Here's the first page of Book 1, Issue 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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Here's the third page of the letters column (twenty-seventh page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page27.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page27.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
As we can see as more letters show up in the column, we're not the only ones who had certain problems with Book 1, Issue 1. In fact, some people had problems that we didn't even bring up. And we're also starting to see how those problems were addressed. But I'm going to hold off on getting into that issue until after we've seen more of their answers...
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Here are the second and third pages:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Pages2-3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Pages2-3.jpg) for a 2656X1996 version)
Unfortunately, the pages didn't line up correctly in the comic, so they don't line up correctly here.
And as is more often the case than not, notice that there is some dialogue that wasn't included in the slideshow...
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Here's the fourth page of the letters column (twenty-eighth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page28.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page28.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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Obviously, the Michael Woodard back story didn't get told. Though I'm not entirely sure that anyone was waiting on bated breath to read it.
I do know two of the letter writers in the post. Without naming names, one is someone that I have known since 1982. The other is a more recent acquaintance via Facebook.
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This might sound odd given that we're doing a slideshow on Book 1, but I haven't reread all of the comics in a very long time. My comments thus far are purely based on what I remember. And as far as breaking down Book 1 for the slideshow goes, I've simply counted all the dialogue in the 4 issues of Book 1, divided the total by 365, and then multiplied that number by how many days are in any given month so that the potential dialogue for the slideshow's quotes gets spread out evenly over the 12 months. As far as specifics go, I'm only slightly ahead in the story than the slideshow is. I didn't honestly remember if the explanation about Woodard is going to come up or not - though if it did, I have no memory of it in Book 1, Book 2, or what we have of Book 3. And given what David Campiti has led us via SG to believe Books 3 and 4 were to be about, I don't see where an explanation about Woodard would have fit into either. But who knows? Though I will say that based on some of the ways they've tried to explain other issues, I have my doubts that whatever explanation they came up with would have been completely satisfying or would have fit in perfectly with the canon of the actual show because so little of what they did get to does. (And actually, once I share Page 4 of Book 1, Issue 2, we'll see that the subject the slideshow is currently dealing with was completely unnecessary to get into at this point in the comic's timeline. It appears it was done purely for the comic's storyline purposes even though aspects of it fly in the face of the show's actual canon. But more on that then...)
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Now, wait a minute! In the 1991 DS, Julia was writing a history of her own family IN COLLINSPORT, but for some reason, Woodward got Elizabeth to accept that the good Doctor needed to be at Collinwood to work on this task?
I really think I would have remembered that if only because of its innate absurdity, had that been thus stated in one of the original shows.
Is this another instance of the comic book writer making yet another major gaffe??
The letters pages are amusing. I have only had time to glance, but have seen a couple of familiar names.
G.
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Here's the fifth and final page of this letters column (twenty-nineth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page29.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page29.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
I'll hold off on commenting for a bit longer to give people more time to digest the letters and responses. I also know some of the people who'd written in, or at least know of them.
Given some of the prices, I would love to know how many pieces of E. Silas Smith's original artwork were sold. Though pretty much all of it is spectacular.
And did Issue 3 actually come out in September? (Hint: Fans shouldn't have been holding their breath...)
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Here are a few clippings that SG #60 shared:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_4_4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_4_4.jpg) for a 877X810 version that's easier to read)
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Here's the fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page4.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And notice that it features dialogue as well as a whole panel that the slideshow skipped over. And it's also worth pointing out that a line from Barnabas questioning why the Collinses allow Julia to stay on at Collinwood even though Daphne, who was Julia's patient, is dead is perhaps one of the worst blunders in these comics. They have Barnabas saying "But now that she is dead, as far as they are concerned, there is no reason you should stay." Well, how quickly they have Barnabas forgetting Joe, who is very much alive, and who at this point in the timeline of the show is still being treated by Julia at Collinwood in the aftermath of Daphne's attacks on him! To anyone who remembers that, Barnabas comes off as a callous idiot who thinks Joe's treatments are completely incidental. ::) And we know that Joe is still being treated at Collinwood at this point in the comics' timeline because they are supposed to take place between hours three and four of the series and in hour four there's a scene between Joe and Carolyn on Collinwood's terrace in which he laments among other things that he's "gotta get out" of Collinwood because there are too many memories there. (A clip of the scene was even featured in several of the series' promos, one of which can be viewed by clicking here (http://www.dsboards.com/1991/0106_1.swf). Not to mention we also get to see Gloria screaming - and one can never see that too often! ... Yeah, right!! [laughing11])
It's definitely nice that they came up with a reason for Julia to stay at Collinwood. But doing so in the manner that they did and at the time frame that they did is regrettably premature, to say the least...
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Now, wait a minute! In the 1991 DS, Julia was writing a history of her own family IN COLLINSPORT, but for some reason, Woodward got Elizabeth to accept that the good Doctor needed to be at Collinwood to work on this task?
I really think I would have remembered that if only because of its innate absurdity, had that been thus stated in one of the original shows.
I forgot to mention this yesterday, but as you've probably already figured out by now, the excuse that Julia's writing a history of her own family is an invention of the comic.
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If the Hoffman family is from Barrettstown, that was going to be an extremely short book.
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[pointing-up] Apparently we're not supposed to think about that (though I had the exact same thought [wink2])! [easter_undecided]
What might have been interesting to see is if, like Julia on the daytime show, years would have gone by without the comics' Julia ever referring to her supposed book and no one even questioning it or would working on it have actually come up? But we'll never know...
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I was always waiting for someone to ask Julia why she and Barnabas were working on a book about Eric Lang when she hadn't finished her first book.
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[pointing-up] That's a thought I never have had but should have had because it's hysterical and so true!! [lghy]
Interestingly enough, had the '91 Series continued, they had no plans to reimagine the 1968 storyline. They were planning to go from 1790 to the werewolf/Quentin story (with Adrian Paul as Quentin and Michael T. Weiss as some sort of combo of Peter Bradford and Chris Jennings). So, chances are the show would have never had a Dr. Lang...
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Here's the fifth page:
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(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And notice that once again a page features dialogue and a panel that the slideshow skipped over. And yes, the panels are actually printed a bit askew on the page - at least in my copy.
And this page pretty much concludes (there's just one line of dialogue (also not a part of the slideshow) that will pop up on Page 6) an extended scene between Julia and Barnabas. With the one exception of that unfortunate remark from Barnabas, I think it was really well done and certainly captured the dynamic between the two characters at this point in their relationship. I can really hear Cross and Steele delivering most of the dialogue as if it was a part of the actual show.
Today's slideshow features the first lines quoted from an extended period in the comic that's focused on events at Collinwood. It actually begins on Page 6, but once I post Page 6 you'll understand why nothing from that page was included in the slideshow...
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I haven't looked at my copies in years but I seem to remember a printing glitch in one of the issues. There were big white splotches on a couple of pages. I mentioned this to the owner of the comic book store who told me that I was welcome to exchange it for a clear copy. But all the ones in the store had the same problem and some were actually worse than mine. Did anyone else experience this? Maybe it was limited to newsstand copies. [snow_huh] [easter_huh] [snow_huh]
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I have the same problem with mine on one of the pages. It isn't terrible, but it's certainly noticible.
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Here's the sixth page:
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(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
It was a nice idea for them to include a map of the Collinwood estate. But among other things, they contradict themselves by dropping the wing of the Old House where they'd indicated Barnabas and Julia were talking on Page 17 of Book 1, Issue 1 - and much worse, they leave off the wing that the series added to Greystone to make Collinwood bigger. But then it would seem that nothing can ever be 100%. Though maybe it's because there were too many people involved in composing the map (we'll learn who they were as I post the info in SG #60).
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Here's the first part of the comics update in SG #60 from May 1992. Part of it references where we currently are in the slideshow and goes beyond to some things we haven't seen in the slideshow yet:
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Given that a certain someone was involved in the creation of the map of the Collinswood estate, it should come as no surprise that there are a few things off in it because, well, just look how well that person co-edits the PomPress books...
And we know for a fact that Lysette Anthony would have played Laura. In fact, when her casting was first announced in Soap Opera Digest, Laura was actually listed as one of her roles...
And David Campiti's explanation about the Barrettstown sign comes across as a bit disingenuous. But as anyone's who has read his explanations in the letters column probably grasped, that's pretty much par for the course...
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If KLS is relying on you know who for DS expertise, that may explain a lot of the gaffes in the Pomegranate Press books.
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Joan Collins (how appropriate) would've made a great Laura Murdochstewbridgesteinhowser Collins. Lysette Anthony was far too young looking to be David's mother.
Gerard
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It was stretching things a bit if Laura was supposed to Lysette's own age because when she did the '91 DS she was 27. But she was technically old enough to have a 9-year-old. And, well, Roger's relationship with Maggie certainly showed he liked younger women. [b003]
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Here's the seventh page:
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And note that all but a few bits of dialogue were used for the slideshow. But then there's an awful lot of dialogue on this page. (Though, as we'll soon see, that won't be the case with the next two pages...)
[ADMIN EDIT: I didn't discover until 5/28 while doing research on another subject that SHADOWS IN THE '90s: The Dark Shadows Concordance 1991 features the following material from Book1, Issue2, so I'm adding it to this post -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/91Con_187.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/91Con_187.jpg) for a 1450X1081 version)
- rather than make a new post for it in the topic where it will be quite a bit out of context.]
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A sketch for the eighth page:
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Normally I'd wait until the switch to Page 9 in the slideshow before I'd post Page 8, but considering that no quotes from Page 9 are featured in the slideshow (and when you see Page 9, you'll understand why) and we'll need to catch up before we begin quotes from Page 10 in tomorrow's slideshow, here's the eighth page a bit early:
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(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And notice that even with only a small bit of dialogue on the page, some of it, as well as a whole panel were skipped in the slideshow.
And though one can't tell at this point, what Roger is doing in this page is actually setting up including a cut scene from the pilot in upcoming Book 1, Issue 3 (a scene that you have seen if you've watched the extended version of the pilot that MPI released). But more on that once it comes up...
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Here's the ninth page:
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Apparently Roger really liked to paint Laura in provocative poses. [wink2] Imagine if one of those was displayed in the Drawing Room rather than Roger's take on a Suerat?!
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SG #60 shared the artwork for Page 9 without the dialogue (what little there is, that is):
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Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this supposed to be the 1980-whenever Laura suddenly being replaced by portraits of Angelique?
It seems from what you have written about the plans for the series arc that when "Laura" returned in season 2, she was really going to be Angelique (once the spirit of the latter was cast out from Julia, or was it Maggie--I can't recall).
G.
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We don't really know what the plan was so far as Angelique vs. Laura goes. In the SHADOWS IN THE '90s: The Dark Shadows Concordance 1991's section for Season Two it's stated that:
The writing staff was quite interested in developing Roger's character - the romance with Maggie and the mystery about his wife were elements they intended to explore further. Laura Collins would have been an integral part of the storyline. They discussed many different options. It was suggested that Laura would actually have been Angelique all along, but it is doubtful they would have followed that particular avenue. Laura would definitely be identified somehow with Angelique - and it was intended that Lysette Anthony play the role - without actually being Angelique. She could, perhaps, have been possessed by Angelique prior to her institutionalization. Or she could be a phoenix with supernatural powers of her own, as she was in the original series. The 'catfight' of all time was envisioned - a battle of the witches. There would also be a nod to the Gene Tierney movie "Laura".
They did intend to bring Angelique physically into the 20th century, to incarnate her somehow.
The sad thing is that Campiti & Co. had conferred with the writers to pin things down more concretely so, among other things, Innovation's Book 3 of the comics was supposed to flesh out more about Laura, but the company went under with only Issue 1 being released. I haven't read that particular issue in years, but as I recall they only got to touch on Laura very briefly in it...
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It's worth noting that as the show's scene of David leading Vicki to the studio and Roger angrily discovering them plays in the show and even in the script, there's mystery surrounding who the woman in the painting found in that sequence is:
Picking up with Scene 219 and through several more scenes until we reach today's quote:
Now she notices the draped easel by the window, she crosses to
it, lifts the covering to reveal
220 AN UNFINISHED PORTRAIT OF A WOMAN
A haunting beauty ... violet eyes, hair like spun gold, a face
that once seen, can never be forgotten
221 VICKI
Stunned by the painting's beauty, she leans in to examine the
artist's signature in the lower right hand corner.
222 INSERT - INITIALS AND DATE
They read: “RC—1979.”
223 BACK TO SCENE
As she straightens up, studies the painting a beat longer,
fascinated.
(CONTINUED)
223 CONTINUED:
Now she glances at David, his eyes are brimming. She frowns.
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And that's when today's quote -
Page 98/Scene 223 - Vicki: 'David...? Do you know who this is?'
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And as for the dialogue, it's exactly the same as written.
But so far as the direction and descriptions go, several things are different. In Scene 220, the canvas isn't uncovered to reveal a woman's face but that of a nude woman -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages/1104ds91_a.jpg)
- painted from behind as she sits in front of a windows holding a baby - and Scenes 221 and 222 don't appear to have been shot because, not only are they missing, but when Scene 223 comes up to show Vicki and David's reactions to the painting, Vicki does not straighten from having bent down to examine a signature because she standing exactly as she was when she uncovered the painting - and Vicki does not frown before she asks David if he knows who it is who is in the painting.
I suspect Scenes 221 and 222 may have been dropped because the signature is a big clue that Roger painted the painting - though anyone who has seen Scene 39 would have easily picked up that Roger was the person who painted the painting that Vicki admired in the drawing room, so chances are very good that the studio is Roger's and Roger painted the woman and baby - and it wouldn't be too much of a leap to presume the woman and baby are David and his mother - but as the scene plays in Ep #4, with the NBC version of the pilot not containing Scene 39, there is much more mystery to things up to this point...
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It was stretching things a bit if Laura was supposed to Lysette's own age because when she did the '91 DS she was 27. But she was technically old enough to have a 9-year-old. And, well, Roger's relationship with Maggie certainly showed he liked younger women. [b003]
I guess they could've stretched it, but to think Laura Collins was 18 when she gave birth to David, as Roger's wife would've been - at least to me - creepy and not in a good DS way. Of course, they could've aged the character but, again to me, I just don't know if it was possible with Lysette Anthony's looks. Lara Parker had the looks to make her appear to be anywhere from the young twenties to the mid-thirties. I think a good plot line would be to have Laura (played by Joan Collins or whomever) return while Roger showed up with his new wife Cassandra played by Lysette Anthony and let the good times role as the two battle it out to achieve their goals. Maybe have another bitch-slap-fight in the fountain like in Dynasty. What fun as they sling supernatural punches at each other!
Gerard
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If Joan Collins had played Laura, it would have been a somewhat opposite situation to Roger and Maggie because Collins would have been 57 to Roy Thinnes' 52. Though while 5 years is a lot less of a difference than 22 years with Ely Pouget's Maggie and apparently 25 years with Lysette Anthony's Laura, having a Joan Collins Laura giving birth to David at 48 might have been pushing it as much as Lysette's Laura giving birth to him at such a young age...
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Soaps always play games with the characters' ages, the SORAS routine, and DS is really no exception. David Selby was 29 in 1970 but he is established as the father of 14 year old Daniel, if the character's age is in synch with David Henesy. There's less of a glitch with Lara Parker who was about 32 at the time and had two sons who were close in age to Henesy.
In the 1840 sequence, a few months later, when Selby is playing another Quentin who is the father of Tad, the character is a bit older, 32.
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Yeah, if we're judging by daytime soaps' standards, kids can age 10 years in a blink of an eye, yet their parents don't age a day in the same period! [ghost_nowink] No one does. And it would actually be funny to age all the characters on a soap every time some kid jumped in age. Who knows how old some characters would actually be?! [laughing1]
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Which is why you can sometimes see 5 generations of a family existing simultaneously on soaps. Four generations happens fairly often but five generations usually doesn't happen outside of Dogpatch.
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Angelique (once the spirit of the latter was cast out from Julia, or was it Maggie--I can't recall).
Oops, I forgot to address this.
In the beginning of the last ep of the series, Angelique jumped from Julia to Maggie - and Angelique remained in Maggie right up to the final scene. But what's interesting is something that I posted back when we did our first slideshow for the '91 series:
Not that this has anything to do with what was restored by MPI for the '91 Series' finale VHS, but there was more shot for that ep than appears in the restored footage. As the following capture from behind the scenes footage that was shot by a long gone entertainment program named Preview shows, Carolyn/Barbara Blackburn did indeed shoot material for the ep even though none of it was included in either the NBC or MPI versions:
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/Cut-12.jpg)
But what's really worth noting when it comes to that capture is that Maggie, who was possessed by Angelique, was supposed to suddenly scream "NO!" at some point after Victoria reappeared and then Maggie was supposed to collapse in Roger's arms. And, of course, none of that is in either version of the ep. [santa_sad]
So, the original intent may have been for Angelique to leave Maggie's body after her plans to destroy the Collins family were defeated by Vicki's return to the present. But as things play in the final ep, so far as the audience is aware, Angelique is very much still in Maggie. Perhaps Maggie would have collapsed and Angelique might have left her in the first scene of the first ep of a second season - but we'll probably never know what the thinking was behind not including Maggie's collapse in the final ep...
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If Joan Collins had played Laura, it would have been a somewhat opposite situation to Roger and Maggie because Collins would have been 57 to Roy Thinnes' 52. Though while 5 years is a lot less of a difference than 22 years with Ely Pouget's Maggie and apparently 25 years with Lysette Anthony's Laura, having a Joan Collins Laura giving birth to David at 48 might have been pushing it as much as Lysette's Laura giving birth to him at such a young age...
But then, MB, Joan had that ability back in '91 to look up to 20 years younger (honestly, that great actress must've had some secret to be mummified, which would've made her the perfect Phoenix - when she appeared on Roseanne as the the star's cousin, her character was almost two decades younger than her real age). But to make Lysette Anthony look ten years older would've taken the entire makeup team from The Golden Girls to make Sophia look decades older. Estelle Getty, who played Dorothy's mother, was actually younger than her "daughter." I'm sure with enough makeup they could've done it, but to me having Laura being the reincarnation of Angelique who married Roger and then was sent off to a hoo-hoo hotel would've served what plot interest?
Gerard
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having Laura being the reincarnation of Angelique who married Roger and then was sent off to a hoo-hoo hotel
Though we don't actually know that reincarnation is a plot they were planning. What we do know for certain is Laura was institutionalized. But we don't know the complete story behind her institutionalization. And the only other things that we've been led to believe trace back to Maggie's assertion that Laura is a witch with powers she knows how to use. Apparently part of that includes that David can be used as a conduit by Laura. But it might also be that David has inherited powers of his own. Or both. Which brings up the point that while it could be understandable that Laura might use David as a conduit against Roger (when David set fire to a fetish doll in an attempt to kill Roger), why would Laura have used David to start a fire at the town school? So many questions have been left unanswered - and we're not likely to ever get concrete answers to them...
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Now, I don't want you to reveal any spoilers, MB, but does Laura appear in the comic book series?
Gerard
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If you mean does Laura physically appear in the comics, then I'm pretty sure the answer to that is no.
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Given that the second quote in today's slideshow has already moved to Page 11, here's the tenth page:
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Did we ever see Roger smoking a pipe on the series? I'm not saying we didn't - but if we did, I don't remember it. And it's not a practice any other version of Roger has, so I'm wondering if the comic simply added it on their own?
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We certainly can't let one of today's panels in the slideshow pass without pointing out that even if double sided tape had existed in 1790, it seems unlikely it would have prevented a wardrobe mishap with the dress Angelique is wearing:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page11_Panel1.jpg)
Though why do I suspect that Angelique would have been wearing it around Barnabas for that very reason? [b003] And knowing how she operates, I also suspect that wherever Barnabas was, she'd be certain to leave the fireplace unlit or at least dying just so that there would be enough of a chill in the air for more than just an ample amount of cleavage to be on display! [naughty]
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I'm fascinated that the sound a person makes when being fed upon by a vampire is "urk."
And apparently, as we learned in today's first quote, a person makes a similar sound when being grabbed by the throat by a vampire:
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[b003]
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Here's the entire eleventh page:
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And notice that it features dialogue as well as a whole panel that the slideshow skipped over.
Also, is that chair Barnabas is sitting in supposed to be a tribute to the chairs that appear in the drawing room on the original show? [snow_wink]
(It's interesting that none of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing some of the images for some of the pages of Book 1, Issue 1 are appearing when the forum's system has been downsizing anything from Book 1, Issue 2. I have no idea what's different about the scans I've made of Issue 1 and Issue 2 because I've done them all the exact same way...)
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Here's the twelveth page:
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And notice that it features dialogue the slideshow skipped over.
Also, it's interesting that more and more of the images are sticking outside of the panels...
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Did all of this come from the show? I don't recall any of this Julia story.
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Julia's background in Barrettstown is completely made up for the comics.
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Thank you, MB. I figured it must have been, but I was under the impression that the comic was depicting the show.
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The comics have included some bits of material from the show (or close to it), but that's been so that non-viewers of the show would be brought up to speed with some important points they would have missed. For the most part, Book 1 is exploring new material that we didn't see on the show and as David Campiti put it, it "takes place in the continuity of the third hour of the mini-series, where Julia says 'It's been 10 weeks since we started Barnabas' cure.' A lot could happen in 10 weeks - and did."
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With regards to today's snippet, did Mrs J actually address Barn as "Barnabas" on this series? In the original show, she'd have called him Mr. Collins.
From what I have seen to date, this confection's relationship to the "continuity" of the 1991 series seems tenuous, at best. And as previously stated, I'm not all that familiar with the canon of the 1991 show, so if I have noticed so many discrepancies that thinking of this as somehow taking place in the same universe as 1991 canon seems fanciful at best--I can just imagine how an actual fan of that series would have reacted, at this point.
G.
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It's been some time since I've seen the actual episode but I would think that she would have addressed as Mr. Collins on the first meeting, maybe evolving to the somewhat less formal but still respectful Mr. Barnabas later on.
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I don't ever remember the '91 Mrs. Johnson addressing or referring to Barnabas as anything but "Mr. Collins." It was quite a surprise when this issue had her address him by his first name. That was simply something that a servant would never do - well, unless the person in question expressly told the servant to please do so - but we never saw Barnabas ever say that to Mrs. J. Though if any fan had ever complained to Mr. Campiti, I have no doubt whatsoever that he would have claimed that Barnabas probably did so at some point we didn't see. That was the way he always explained away similar goofs - even the ones, like this one, that completely flew in the face of how things were done on the series...
In this case, TPTB behind the comics really needed some sort of etiquette adviser to school them on how a wealthy family and their servants interact...
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Here's the thirteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And notice that it features both dialogue and panels that the slideshow skipped over.
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Actually, I just remembered that there is one instance on the '91 series in which Mrs. J. doesn't simply refer to Barnabas as "Mr. Collins," and that's when she exclaims admiringly, "Barnabas Collins must be a wonderful man." But that's immediately after she's just learned that Barnabas is willing to take her nephew Willie on and has given him a new job. But, of course, it's an example of her using his entire name out of respect, not of her simply using his first name...
That moment with Mrs. J. was even featured in some of the promos. Unfortunately though, the only version that I made a video of back when we were doing the '91 Series Watching Project was the 2 minute trailer, which is 9.56MB in size. But if you're game to watch it, you can do so by clicking here (http://www.dsboards.com/1991/2min_trailer.swf).
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In my opinion, the side trip into Barrettstown was an unnecessary one. Yes, Julia's background has always been somewhat sketchy in most versions of DS but this really doesn't add much to defining the character or her motivations. Plus, if Julia is indeed from Massachusetts, that doesn't really mesh with Barbara Steele's accent. Some insight into her past with Michael Woodard or the failed marriage that was never mentioned on screen would have been preferable.
I have other issues with this story which I will mention as the slideshow proceeds.
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Some insight into her past with Michael Woodard or the failed marriage that was never mentioned on screen would have been preferable.
Exactly!
Though to their minds the comics needed something that I won't get into yet but they felt Barrettstown provided. I'd argue it wasn't needed at all - at least not for DS fans. Though maybe they were right and it was needed to attract a general audience. [idontknow]
And just to go back to my previous post, I forgot to mention that I always thought that anyone who saw the 2 minute trailer (which I think was only run twice) would have instantly been hooked into having to watch the show. I know I could not wait to see the show after having seen the trailer!
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1991 Julia had a failed marriage? I presume this was mentioned in that book that KLS published.
G.
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Gothick, I was unaware of Julia having a failed marriage until MB mentioned it in the slideshow related to the NBC series.
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The first hint to Julia's failed marriage pops up in the pilot's script here:
Those with good memories will have already realized that today's quote -
Page 79C/Scene 177 - Julia: 'On the contrary, I owe you Michael. Besides the obligation, I'm intrigued.'
- is not what Julia says in the pilot - she actually says "On the contrary, I'm quite intrigued." There's no reference to any obligation that Julia may owe Woodard. And that's because the scene that explains Julia's perceived obligation to Woodard was never shot. But the scene that will explain it will be coming up in the slideshow/script shortly after the current scene concludes...
And here are the posts detailing the scenes that explain all about it:
Setting up the new sequence:
177A EXT. COLLINSPORT INN - DAY
A quaint, New Englandy bed and breakfast.
177B INT. COLLINSPORT INN - JULIA'S ROOM - DAY
Woodard is pouring a drink into a glass at a small bar. He
looks over his shoulder.
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And that's when today's quote -
Page 79C/Scene 177B - Woodard: 'That's really all I can tell you. It's all very strange.'
- comes up.
And keep in mind that the reason this sequence takes place during the day is because Scene 177 is originally scripted to have taken place during the day.
Also, it's interesting to note that had this sequence been shot as scripted, not only would it have been the only time we might have seen the outside of the Collinsport Inn in the '91 series, it would have been the only time the Collinsport Inn location would have factored into anything on the series because, unlike the original series, the Collinsport Inn never once shows up. I don't think it's ever even referred to...
Moving on to the next scene:
177C ANOTHER ANGLE
To show Julia stepping out of the bathroom. She's changed her
clothes and is buttoning as she exits.
(CONTINUED)
Revised 2/28/90
177C CONTINUED:
JULIA
Yes, but quite intriguing.
Woodard hands her the drink and Julia accepts with a small
toast. She takes a sip.
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And that's when today's quote -
Page 79D/Scene 177C - Woodard: 'Have you heard from Donald?'
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Think of what sort of message the outset of Scene 177C might have sent if it wasn't shot correctly! [naughty]
And just who is Donald? Well, we'll learn that very shortly...
Continuing on:
Today's first quote picks up with Julia's response to Woodard's question about Donald -
Page 79D/Scene 177C - Julia: 'A Christmas card. He's moved to Los Angeles... where all divorced men go. (a beat) I never properly thanked you for all the times I cried on your shoulder when Donald and I broke up.'
- and then today's second quote -
Page 79D/Scene 177C - Woodard: 'You don't have to.'
- is his reply.
So, the '91 Julia was supposed to have been married and divorced - who knew? And quite the departure from the original Julia.
And this scene also deepens the Julia/Woodard relationship beyond what we knew. Probably even beyond the close relationship of Julia and Dr. Woodard in the original series...
And wrapping up the scene we begin with Tuesday's quote -
Page 79D/Scene 177C - Julia: 'I know, but you were there, and it's appreciated professor. Now just keep me away from decadent losers pining away for their mothers.'
- followed by the script indicating:
She takes another drink as Woodard watches her.
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And that's when yesterday's quote -
Page 79D/Scene 177C - Woodard: 'Figure out a way to give me back twenty years and your problems are over.'
- comes up, followed by the script continuing with:
A moment, as she looks at him, a long, warm look.
JULIA
A nice thought.
(a beat)
Now, I think we better get over
to the hospital...
She turns to leave. Woodard stares after her a beat, then
follows.
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End of scene and end of sequence.
I do have to say that the Donald character intrigues me - particularly the description of him as a "decadent loser" - and especially the "decadent" part. Makes one wonder if he had shown up, just what he might have been like and what sort of havoc might he have created. And as Uncle Roger suggests, his possible arrival in Collinsport could have opened up all sorts of stroyline possibilities. And if the show had actually been brought back as a daytime soap (which was a possibility at one time - but DC was adamantly against it) rather than a primetime show, meaning there would have been an opportunity for much more story, it probably would have almost been a certainty that Donald would have shown up. Plus, given some of the seeming hints given in the direction for Scene 177C, one also has to wonder if Woodard was in some way pining for Julia and, if the show had been revived as a soap, if he might have tried acting on it (think of the complications of a Barnabas/Julia/Woodard triangle, even if all of it had simply remained unrequited on Julia's part with Barnabas and Woodard's part with Julia!). But of course, we'll never know the answers to any of that...
And up next, one more short bit before we get back to stuff that actually was in the pilot. Though fairly soon afterward things will deviate from the pilot because some scenes will be playing out in a different order in the script than they appear in the pilot. But more on that when they come up...
As I've alluded to, in an upcoming issue a scene that was shot for the pilot but cut from the NBC version will be depicted in the comic. (Though the great thing is the scene was restored for the MPI version of the pilot.) Unfortunately though, there was never any indication that the comic might have ever expanded on this never shot material concerning Julia's past marriage. But most likely that was because they were more interested in introducing their own Barrettstown story.
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Just a random thought here: I wonder if Donald might have eventually taken over the place in the story originally filled by Paul Stoddard.
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Just a random thought here: I wonder if Donald might have eventually taken over the place in the story originally filled by Paul Stoddard.
Possibly. Back in 2015 I speculated:
Maybe he might have been a combination Jason McGuire and Marquis de Sade and with those mommy issues thrown in for good measure a la Norman Bates!! [naughty] [lghy]
And as I also sadly said back in 2015, the background the pilot script provided for Julia is really quite fascinating - but it was also background that:
DC didn't feel needed to even be shot, much less included in the pilot. But then, as we're all too aware (especially when it comes to hoDS), DC will always jettison the character scenes in favor of the blood/gore/ripping/tearing because, well, he's that sort of director.
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Should we take the book that Carolyn is reading, The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty, as an inside joke, as the author is a pseudonym for Anne Rice?
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Yes, they intended it to be an inside joke - and apparently they thought it was a twofold inside joke: 1) for the reason you point out, and 2) because Innovation did comics for Rice's Vampire Lestat series.
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When it comes to today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0512ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue One/Page 16 - Liz: 'I'M GROWING
CONCERNED WITH ALL THE ATTENTION BARNABAS IS
PAYING TO VICTORIA.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0512ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue One/Page 16 - Roger: 'THAT'S ONLY
NATURAL.' Roger: 'WHAT MOTHER WOULDN'T BE
CONCERNED ABOUT HER DAUGHTER?'
- once again we have to ask just when did Roger get clued in that Vicki is Liz' daughter when he clearly possessed no such knowledge in the pilot. Obviously the comics have not explained it and I don't honestly recall if anyone questions it in any of the published letters in the feedback column. But if the question does get published, it's going to be fascinating to see how they explain it away... But then, as I said the other day, the explanation may just be that it took place at some point during the few weeks between the pilot and the events of Book 1 when we weren't seeing Roger and Liz. And if that turns out to be the case, to say it would be an inadequate explanation would be an understatement. [ghost_rolleyes] Though what might be even more fascinating would be if no published letter ever brings it up because, given some of the questions that have already been asked, I can't see how absolutely no one would have asked about something as important and as glaring as to how Roger's sudden knowledge came about...
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And again--if I cared to do so, I'd use that scene to argue that the comic books take place in their own alternate world (or Parallel Time) version of 1991 Collinwood--no defined connection to the Collinwood of 1991 canon. Occasional overlaps, but equally startling differences. Because, how did the line go--"the people of this time have made different choices." (I must be slipping because that's a very bad paraphrase.)
G.
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I have to say, I'm quite glad that there was nothing about Julia's failed marriage in the series as aired. It would totally change the viewer's understanding of her character and her relationship with Barnabas. As with Grayson Hall's Julia, what we see is someone who appears to be a lonely middle-aged unmarried woman who in love with a man and misreads his communications with her. Barbara Steele's scenes with Joanna Going seem rather poignant, as I recall.
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If the book had come out a year earlier or came out on a more timely basis, these little tangents would have been a lot easier to digest. They add little to the overall story, nor do they really add much to the "what happened during the gap in the miniseries" , a plot thread that seems far more important to the writers than it did to the readers
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And again--if I cared to do so, I'd use that scene to argue that the comic books take place in their own alternate world (or Parallel Time) version of 1991 Collinwood--no defined connection to the Collinwood of 1991 canon.
All the liberties that Campiti and Co. take with the actual '91 Series would be a lot easier to accept if Campiti hadn't continually made promises like how everything about Book 1 of the comics can be dropped right into the continuity of the third hour of the series and fit in perfectly with the continuity of the series, or how the comics would remain faithful to the series. Clearly such promises are not the case and who knows how he thought he could make such statements? Though part of it could be that he took confidence in the fact that DCP signed off on everything Campiti did. When it comes to DC, I can see how he might have done it because by his own admission he had a mind like a sieve when it came to the plots of any version of the series - but given that Jim Pierson also signed off on them is much harder to accept given that Pierson actually worked behind the scenes on the '91 Series and he's listed as an editor for the comics. Though given what slips by in the PomPress books, of which he's a co-editor, maybe it shouldn't be hard to accept...
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I wonder if DC ever saw any of the comic book stuff, other than perhaps the contracts. He likely entrusted the minute details to his lacky Pierson, who apparently would sign off on anything.
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I have to say, I'm quite glad that there was nothing about Julia's failed marriage in the series as aired. It would totally change the viewer's understanding of her character and her relationship with Barnabas. As with Grayson Hall's Julia, what we see is someone who appears to be a lonely middle-aged unmarried woman who in love with a man and misreads his communications with her. Barbara Steele's scenes with Joanna Going seem rather poignant, as I recall.
Though if the failed marriage had been included and explored, I can see a possibility where we may have learned something like it might have been Julia's romantic naivete with men that lead to the marriage and subsequently to the divorce, in which case that could have factored in perfectly with her relationship with Barn, who could have been perceived as Donald 2.0 and a pattern with Julia. But, of course, we'll never know...
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If the book had come out a year earlier or came out on a more timely basis, these little tangents would have been a lot easier to digest. They add little to the overall story, nor do they really add much to the "what happened during the gap in the miniseries" , a plot thread that seems far more important to the writers than it did to the readers
Given things that Campiti intimated, I suspect that such tidbits as Liz being Vicki's mother and another thing concerning Liz that's upcoming were dropped into Book 1 to lay the foundations for things they'd planned to fully explore once they reached Book 5, Issue 1 (issue 17) and beyond. You're certainly correct, though, that with the exception of the Barnabas/Willie flashbacks (and the creation of the music box, which has only been touched on very briefly so far, but will be coming back to the forefront soon) the new stuff does little to explore and/or expand the story the '91 Series had already laid out.
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Here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And notice that it features both dialogue and a panel that the slideshow skipped over. And once again seemingly the minute Carolyn leaves the room the subject of Liz' real relationship to Vicki comes up, just like it did on Page 17 of Issue 1...
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I forgot to mention yesterday with regard to this part of yesterday's quote from Vicki -
"CAROLYN AND I ARE GETTING TO BE SUCH GOOD FRIENDS."
- I only wish that had been the case on the actual 91 Series. For the most part, Vicki and Carolyn were really good friends on the original series, but on the '91 Series the last time they ever shared a scene with each other was in the second hour of the pilot when Carolyn drove Vicki to and dropped her off at the stables!! [ghost_rolleyes] Maybe other scenes were written/shot with them - but obviously they never survived to the final cut of any of the other eps so as far as what we saw is concerned, their relationship was pretty much nonexistent. [ghost_sad]
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Unless she was referring to the horse that was also named Carolyn.
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[pointing-up] [stfl] Good one!! [thumb]
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Unless she was referring to the horse that was also named Carolyn.
Although, it strikes me that we didn't see that either. [ghost_sad]
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Here's the fifteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And of course, notice that it features both dialogue and panels that the slideshow skipped over.
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SG #60 also shared the artwork for Page 15 without the dialogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_4_1.jpg)
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Here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And, as usual, the page features both dialogue and a panel that the slideshow skipped over.
But's what's more interesting is that what takes place in the scene in the comic is similar in ways to two separate scenes that take place in the '91 Series, though the comic plays fast and loose with how they actually play on the series:
As the first begins to play early in Hour 4 of the series, Barnabas and Vicki walk through the woods and soon comment on the timelessness of wild places. Vicki remarks that she feels so free, it's as if she could fly. And that's when Barnabas recites the same lines from Byron that he does on Book 1, Issue 2's Page 15 of the comic, and Vicki also responds with her lines from Byron as in the comic. However, from there things digress greatly because when Vicki decides to playfully run away from Barnabas, he suffers the memory of Josette running from him to Widows' Hill. He frantically runs after Vicki, crying out, but in his mind he is unable to prevent Josette from jumping. Once he becomes himself again, he warns Vicki that she shouldn't run about about like she had been, and then he explains the legend of Widows' Hill and admits that it's where Josette died.
And as the second begins to play later in Hour 4 of the series, things are very different right from the outset because Barnabas and Vicki are in Josette's room at the Old House and he is reading poetry that he says was written by his namesake for Josette. As the situation soon becomes passionate between them, Barnabas is suddenly seized with blood lust and with difficulty he tears himself away from Vicki, turning his back to her to hide his vampiric state, just as he does on Book 1, Issue 2's Page 16 of the comic. Vicki begs him to tell her what's wrong, but Barnabas urges her to leave, claiming he "just doesn't feel" himself and begs her not to ask for a better explanation. Reluctantly, Vicki leaves, and after she does so, Barnabas, fangs exposed, moans in agony.
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The stuff about how Josette's music box was created is fascinating. Also completely irrelevant to the story, but I have to say I'm impressed by how they researched this.
I was offline for several days over last weekend visiting friends in Canada so look forward to catching up whenever the next page or pages are posted in this thread.
Thanks,
G.
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I'm also enjoying the fact that the authors of the comic book series decided to be "historically accurate" in the fact that music boxes would not be invented until decades and decades later, and trying to find a way to have Josette's created. In all incarnations of DS, save one, the music box was a central prop. The '12 version had none - I'm assuming because they makers of the film realized no such gadgets existed in the 1770's.
Don't forget, in the OS, Gabriel's 1840 wheelchair had a wicker back per that era, but 1960's metal wheels.
Gerard
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And here is the seventeenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And this time there are just two bits of dialogue that the slideshow skipped over.
And is it just me or does it look like they thought no one would recognize Angelique unless she wore her red and black dress? I mean, she certainly had others on the series...
And as for coming up with a way Josette's music box could exist it 1790, David Campiti was very proud that he was able to research how it might have been done. I do love the local craftsman, Mr. Drake, storming out and saying that the Collins Family always expects the impossible but money can get them every desire. That expectation certainly seems to be true in every version of DS, so Campiti was dead on there. [ghost_grin]
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A strange thing--reading through this, I realized I can't recall, at all, the tune the music box played in the 1991 version.
I don't think the music box showed up in the first two hour movie thing that kicked it off. I only ever saw the other episodes once and that was maybe 15 or so years ago, now.
G.
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I remember being less than captivated by the music box origin. It really didn't do much to advance the overall story, nor did it really contribute to the missing weeks of the miniseries.
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I'll have to check to be absolutely sure, but I *think* the music box does make an appearance in the pilot when Barnabas and Vicki share a dinner at the Old House. But the early eps have so many scenes featuring Barn and Vicki at the Old House that I can't be 100% sure it is that ep.
Actually, it will be interesting to see what he says about the music box and whether or not the comics contradict anything about it...
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nor did it really contribute to the missing weeks of the miniseries.
It certainly didn't do anything like that because the explanations delving into the creation of the music box all take place in flashbacks to 1790...
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I'll have to check to be absolutely sure, but I *think* the music box does make an appearance in the pilot when Barnabas and Vicki share a dinner at the Old House.
I was correct. And an interesting thing is that I did a bit more research and was reminded that the scene in question is one of many in the pilot that had more material shot for it than appears in the pilot. Unfortunately though, none of the edited stuff was restored for the VHS release. But then chances are that's because, unlike the stuff that was restored for the VHS, DC never intended the edited bits (and they are simply bits) to be a part of the final version of the pilot. And as far as our discussion here goes, none of the missing bits have anything to do with the music box's history, so they're not worth getting into.
Actually, it will be interesting to see what he says about the music box and whether or not the comics contradict anything about it...
In the pilot's scene very little info is actually given about the music box's background. It's simply stated that the original Barnabas bought the music box for Josette on the day it was announced they were to wed. And while that might make someone presume that the music box already existed independently of Barnabas and he simply bought it after discovering it, it doesn't totally preclude him from having been involved in its creation. So, unlike a lot of the other stuff added in the comics, it doesn't necessarily fly in the face of what was established on the series in the first four hours. And a very good reason for that is that in 1790, when Barnabas gifts Josette with the music box in Hour 9 of the series, not only is she surprised that the tune it plays is the same tune that was playing when Barnabas first asked her to dance, he explains that he did indeed have the music box specially made in Boston, so for a change the comic merely fleshes out something that was actually established on the series. If only more of the new stuff in the comics fit into the series as well. Though as we'll see later in Book 1, the comic also puts a spin on the music box that was never indicated anywhere in the series...
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A strange thing--reading through this, I realized I can't recall, at all, the tune the music box played in the 1991 version.
It played the same Josette's theme tune as the music box on the original series did.
And changing the subject entirely, after coming across it in SHADOWS IN THE '90s: The Dark Shadows Concordance 1991, I just added some new material to reply #187 so that it will appear in this topic in context...
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MysteriousB has been experiencing some internet issues [ghost_sad], so the Innovation Comics slideshow will resume once he's back online.
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Sorry to hear about the problems. Hope he can find a resolution soon, purely for his own peace of mind!
G.
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I hope that the problem clears up soon.
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Sorry to hear about the problems. Hope he can find a resolution soon, purely for his own peace of mind!
I hope that the problem clears up soon.
Sadly it wasn't that soon because the promised two hours to fix things turned into two days! Needless to say, I wasn't happy while the problem persisted - but the issue is resolved now and things can get back to normal and my peace of mind is restored. [ghost_wink]
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Here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And this page would seem to be a rarity because no panel or dialogue was skipped...
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Here's what should have been yesterday's installment in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0602ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Two/Page 19 - Barnabas: 'SARAH!'
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And here's today's installment in the slideshow:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0603ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Two/Page 19 - Barnabas: 'SARAH-- WAIT!'
Barnabas: 'PLEASE STAY AND TALK TO ME!'
I needed to squeeze the panel in order to get both Barnabas and Sarah in the image for the slideshow. The actual panel looks like this:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page19_Panel3.jpg)
And if you're not seeing today's comic image/quote in the slideshow on the BoardIndex page (and are still seeing the June 3rd installment for the hoDS slideshow), you need to clear your browser's cache. [ghost_smiley] Or if you prefer to just go by the way it's presented here, then just wait until June 4th's installment comes up for things to get back on track...
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Glad to hear you're back online! Wishing you all the best!
G.
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Ditto!
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Here's the nineteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And this time no dialogue was skipped but several dialogueless panels were...
Also note two things:- there is a similar sequence in the pilot except that the beginning and the end are different. In the pilot, Sarah calls to Barnabas while he is snarling outside Vicki's room - and he never catches up to Sarah because she vanishes into the night, and after she's done so, Barnabas collapses to his knees.
- and that they designed their own gravestone for Sarah - but all that's important is that the years match the '91 Series, and they do.
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Not wild about the color selections used here. Just about everything is some variation of blue which washes out any detail.
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Oops - sorry about not updating the slideshow until just a few minutes ago. But I was binging on Netflix and completely lost track of time, as one will when doing that. [ghost_wink]
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A sketch for the twentieth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_5_2.jpg)
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Here's the twentieth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And once again no dialogue was skipped...
Also note two things:- there is a similar sequence with Julia and Woodard in Hour 4 of the '91 Series - though, of course, considering it's an invention for the comics, there's no mention of Julia's research about her family history. Her stated reason for still staying on is that she's still treating Joe, which brings yet another instance where the comic seems to ignore that Julia already had a reason for staying on, which is Joe, so she doesn't really need another, as Mr. Campiti seemed to think.
- plus in Hour 4 Woodard insists the vampire is still out there and Julia is really waiting for it to strike again, which she says is absurd. And not only that, but Woodard comes right out and accuses Barnabas of being the likely candidate to be the vampire, which is something Woodard doesn't do in the comic.
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Just my personal opinion--several pages ago, the writing of this story went down the drain and never came back.
Just awful rubbish. But perhaps somebody out there enjoyed it.
G.
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I forgot to mention yesterday that another thing that's interesting when it comes to Page 20 is, unlike in past instances, there are several differences between the sketch version and the final version. In every panel there's either something in the sketch version that isn't in the final version or vice versa. So much for the notion that I'd had that the sketch versions were used to directly create the final versions of each page...
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Just my personal opinion--several pages ago, the writing of this story went down the drain and never came back.
Just awful rubbish. But perhaps somebody out there enjoyed it.
Well, the last two pages simply reworked material that had already been on the '91 Series - and that was most likely for the benefit of readers who may not have watched the series and to take liberties with material so that it would fit better with what the comic writers had in mind. Though, particularly with Page 20, they came up with their own dialogue which at times did leave a bit to be desired.
For me, the comics work best when they stick to new and reworked events at Collinwood. When they introduce new material apart from Collinwood they tend to go off the rails, as we'll be seeing very soon (starting with Page 22). Talk about going down the drain! But when it comes to the direction Book 1 will be taking, I somehow suspect the writers felt they needed to add that sort of material to attract "regular" comic book readers who may not have been all that familiar with DS. Who knows? Though as I said before, it does strike me as not only interesting but frightening (and not in a good way) that DCP supposedly not only signed off on what's to come in Book 1, they remarked that if they had seen Book 1's proposed plots while the '91 Series was in production, they would have hired the comic's writers to write for the series! Perish the thought when it comes to the stuff that will take place in Barrettstown!!
One thing I do have to say is, as interesting as I find much of the beginning of Book 1 to be, for the most part I enjoy Book 2 much more than I do Book 1. Though thankfully we haven't seen the last of some worthwhile material to take place at Collinwood in Book 1...
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Well, since then we've seen that DCP will sign off on just about anything. The shark didn't merely jump. It pole vaulted
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[pointing-up] Yeah, sadly, there is that...
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Here's the twenty-first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And as you've no doubt noticed, only one very short bit of dialogue was skipped in the slideshow...
I haven't looked at my copies in years but I seem to remember a printing glitch in one of the issues. There were big white splotches on a couple of pages. I mentioned this to the owner of the comic book store who told me that I was welcome to exchange it for a clear copy. But all the ones in the store had the same problem and some were actually worse than mine. Did anyone else experience this? Maybe it was limited to newsstand copies. [snow_huh] [easter_huh] [snow_huh]
I have the same problem with mine on one of the pages. It isn't terrible, but it's certainly noticible.
This is obviously the page I was referring to - and I presume the same page that Uncle Roger mentioned.
Although, if one wants to be fanciful, one can just explain it away as Barnabas and Julia being pelted by snowball meteorites that are so common in the area that no one even mentions them. [ghost_tongue2]
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As we get close to the end of Book1, Issue 2, it's time to get back to more of the other pages in the issue. I'd previously shared Pages 25 -29, which consisted of the first letters feedback column (see replies #159, #160, #165, #167 & #171). Page 30 is actually the same as Page 31 in Book 1, Issue 1: the ad/order form for the two Abbelare watches (see reply #139). But Page 31 in Book 1, Issue 2 is actually something new: the ad for the Action Hits International Barnabas model kit.
Here's the thirty-first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page31.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page31.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
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It's been a long time since I've looked at these issues but I seem to remember the blotches being much bigger on my copy. But i really like your explanation!
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Normally I wouldn't post this until tomorrow - but with so many upcoming things to post in the next several days, here's the twenty-second page a bit early:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And only one bit of dialogue was skipped in the slideshow...
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This is about where I really began to lose interest in the book. One panel of a set of eyes watching Julia and Barnabas would have been disquieting and effective. This just comes off as overkill. Plus, the artist reveals way too much of the creatures and does it far too soon, ruining any element of surprise whatsoever. I don't care much for the character design either. I guess that the artist was trying to make them look intimidating and spooky. But they come off looking like Smurfs on a lost weekend.
It seems like they were trying to evoke the atmosphere of Roger Corman's The Haunted Palace but it falls far short of that.
Julia's never been there at night?
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To be perfectly honest, I'm totally confused by this comic book series. Was it a continuation of the canceled series? Did it deal with stuff that was "fan-written" during the series? Was it a parallel world from the series? I didn't even know that this comic book version existed until some years ago on our beloved DS Forums site.
Gerard
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To be perfectly honest, I'm totally confused by this comic book series. Was it a continuation of the canceled series? Did it deal with stuff that was "fan-written" during the series? Was it a parallel world from the series? I didn't even know that this comic book version existed until some years ago on our beloved DS Forums site.
This is a professionally published comic book series, sanctioned by DCP, and conceived to "expand" on what was seen during the '91 Series and then to continue beyond the series into a Season 2 and beyond. It was always described as something that would fit in perfectly with the canon of the '91 Series (though there are certainly instances where it clearly does not).
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Before showcasing another page in the issue I need to mention that Page 32 is actually the same as Page 32 in Book 1, Issue 1: the ad/info for the two posters based on the comics (see reply #146). So that means that next up in Issue 2 is its inside back cover. And as I alluded to back when I posted Issue 1's inside back cover, sometimes this page features info that was new and exciting at the time - and this is definitely an example of that because not only does it feature the premiere announcement for the release of the '91 Series on MPI VHS (with new footage), it also features the premiere announcement for the Dark Shadows Resurrected book from PomPress:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Fans of the '91 Series were doubly excited after seeing this!! [ghost_wink]
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Today's installment of the slideshow is the last one taken from the current page so, here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Note, however, that there are two panels and several bits of dialogue that won't be in the slideshow...
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And today's installments of the slideshow complete the story portion of Book 1, Issue 2 so, here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page24.jpg)
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And I'm with Julia on this one!! But not for the reason the writers might have hoped...
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And here's the back cover of Book 1, Issue 2:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_BackCover.jpg)
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And that concludes everything about Book 1, Issue 2...
As you can see, Liz, Roger and Carolyn have been dropped and Angelique, Prof. Wooddard and David have been added. And there will be more changes on the back cover of Book 1, Issue 3 because, while three particular characters will continue to be featured (and have been since Issue 1), one character from Issue 1's back cover will return, and two new characters will be introduced. But more on that when we get to that back cover...
Note also that the '91 Series' tag line "A Love Story Beyond Time..." has been added. If only the ending of Issue 2 might have focused more on that and less on what it does. But alas... And what's more interesting about the addition of the tag line and its repetition on the back covers of Issues 3 and 4 is that, quite unfortunately, that love story won't be much in evidence in Issues 3 and 4...
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The appearance of the Barrettstown mutants (or whatever they are) struck me as one of the dumbest and most anticlimactic things that I've ever seen in a comic book. I realize that no incarnation of DS is exactly subtle but this was just ludicrous. And DCP signed off on this?
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Some info from SG #60 about upcoming Book 1, Issue 3 of the comics and other projects from David Campiti:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_5_5.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_6_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_6_2.jpg)
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SG #60 also shared a sketch of this preliminary cover for Issue 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_5_6.jpg)
We'll see how different it is when I post the real cover...
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Here's the front cover of Book 1, Issue 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Cover.jpg)
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Notice how Julia in particular is different from the sketch...
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And because there are still quite a few things that need to be posted, here's Book 1, Issue 3's first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page1.jpg)
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Note that the entire opening monologue wasn't included in the slideshow - but then, there really wasn't much to it that hadn't already been covered elsewhere in the slideshow - not to mention that apart from the first few lines, it isn't really a very good opening monologue...
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Here's the first part of the comics update in SG #61 from August 1992: Part of it references where we currently are in the slideshow and goes beyond to some things we haven't seen in the slideshow yet:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_3_4.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_4_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_4_2.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_5_1.jpg)
This Issue 3 didn't actually come out until close to the end of October.
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LOL! That opening voiceover sounded like what the result would have been if "Marilyn" Ross had been commissioned to write a 1991 DS book.
It did give me a giggle...
G.
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And just as with Book 1, Issue 2, because the letters column in Book 1, Issue 3 continues to feature reactions to Book1, Issue1 (and not about Book1, Issue 2 - Hmmm...), I'm going to begin posting it now rather than wait for when it comes up in Issue 3. So, here's the first page of the column (twenty-fifth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page25.jpg)
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And here's the second page of the second letters column (twenty-sixth page):
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Here are the second and third pages:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Pages2-3.jpg)
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And as usual, there are some bits of dialogue (mostly from the creatures) that wasn't included in the slideshow...
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Here are the next two pages of the letters column from Book 1, Issue 3. And unlike the letters column from Issue 2, this column from Issue 3 features peaks at panels from that issue.
First up, the third page of the second letters column (the twenty-seventh page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page27.jpg)
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And here's the fourth page of the second letters column (the twenty-eighth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page28.jpg)
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And look - actual snow and cold breath as promised...
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And here's the fifth (last) page of the second letters column (the twenty-ninth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page29.jpg)
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And Issue 4 didn't actually come out until February '93...
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Five pages of letters from readers is a lot, especially when the norm for Marvel or DC at the time was a single page. Maybe two at the most. Only a few of the printed letters came from people who I knew through DS fandom. The rest are still strangers to me.
A few fans (don't remember who anymore) were displeased that Innovation printed their home addresses. This was also standard practice with Marvel and DC. (Warren Comics only printed city and state, as I recall). No idea if Innovation offered the address withheld option to its audience.
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And here's the fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page4.jpg)
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And as per usual some bits of dialogue were not included in the slideshow...
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One panel of a set of eyes watching Julia and Barnabas would have been disquieting and effective. This just comes off as overkill. Plus, the artist reveals way too much of the creatures and does it far too soon, ruining any element of surprise whatsoever.[
Exactly, the reveal should have been held until the last panel. I have no idea why they felt the need to give away too much too soon.
As for "monsters" in general, Campiti was very proud to say that the story would feature monsters for those who want to see monsters in their horror. But the thing is, DS was never that type of show so why would DS fans actually be expecting to see monsters? Sure, there was the Leviathan monster during that storyline - BUT we never saw it. And yes, that had much to do with budget and the limitations of special effects at the time - BUT many feel that aspect of the storyline was all the more effective for what we didn't see. Nowadays it seems such things have to not only be seen but to be thrown up in the audience's face for them to be effective. Which does lead me to the possibility I've mentioned before that perhaps the Barrettstown mutants were a ploy to attract/satisfy non-DS fans coming upon the comics. Who knows? But as far as I'm concerned, not only weren't they needed for the story, they actually lessen it.
I don't care much for the character design either. I guess that the artist was trying to make them look intimidating and spooky. But they come off looking like Smurfs on a lost weekend.
Exactly - especially when it comes to how they're often drawn in Issue 3. There's nothing horrific about them when they often come off looking like jokes. Dangling tongues and drool and goofy expressions make them look more like crosses between slobbering dogs and munchkins.
Julia's never been there at night?
Who knows? She does tell Barnabas that her mother took her away from Barrettstown when she was three years old, so she may not recall much of those years - and she also says that as an adult she only visited once, and the panels for that flashback indicate it took place during the day. So given that I'm willing to cut her statement that she'd never been to Barrettstown at night some slack.
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Comic book horror was in the process of evolving into a more sophisticated level, with the Vertigo line of Swamp Thing, Sandman and, a bit later, Lucifer. These comics appealed to an audience that did not normally read comic books. But the DS book totally missed the boat in that regard. The creatures seem more appropriate to a 1962 issue of Famous Monsters of Filmland.
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During the Leviathan story line, I always hoped that the show would eventually show the "monster." I expected a Dunwich Horror type of thing. I didn't understand, as a kid, the limits of TV shows' budgets. Even though the monster was never seen and I was, as a kid, disappointed, there was something to be said to things being left to the imagination.
Gerard
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I always thought it was good that they didn't try to show the Leviathan. They made it out to be so horrible that I don't think they could have come up with anything bad enough. That was kind of my reaction to the lottery and spending the night in the room. The results of that were so horrible that when the explanation finally came, it didn't seem terrible enough to have produced such reactions.
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As a kid, Josette, I have to totally agree with you on what was revealed in the room during the lottery storyline. I was so hyped up to see what was so "horrible" that it caused humans to either die from fright or else go insane and when it was finally shown I though "that's all it was?" Of course, regarding the Leviathan creature, it would've cost a gazillion dollars in special effects to produce something along the lines of a Dunwich Horror creature rather than something rubber attached to a string. But being a dumb kid, I didn't take that into account.
Gerard
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And here's the fifth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And again, note that some bits of dialogue were not included in the slideshow...
One thing that I do find a bit odd with the dialogue here is if (I'm presuming) Nathaniel knew enough to ask Barnabas for his "cane," why is he referring to it as a "stick" when he hands it over to Swann?
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As a kid, Josette, I have to totally agree with you on what was revealed in the room during the lottery storyline.
Of course, regarding the Leviathan creature, it would've cost a gazillion dollars in special effects to produce something along the lines of a Dunwich Horror creature rather than something rubber attached to a string.
Gerard
Gerard, in the first part it implies that you were disappointed in the explanation for the lottery story as a kid. Does that mean you changed your mind later?
As to the creature, I still think that even if they could have put that kind of money into it that they couldn't come up with anything horrid enough to meet the expectations they had created.
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I don't know, Josette. I remember as a yungin' watching the big reveal of what was in the room at the climax and all I could figure out that a spook and two cobweb-covered bodies were the big deals that caused people to die or either go insane and I though "is that all there is?" I'm not sure, now looking at it in a more "mature" mind if it was a good explanation even considering the limitations in storytelling at that time. I also clearly remember wondering where '41 PT Quentin, a major character, was, not knowing, of course, that David Selby was in a hospital emergency room at that time having his appendix removed. I hope ABC included a good health insurance plan for its employees and he got in just under the wire before the entire cast was "laid off" and replaced by Allen Lunden.
Yes, that Leviathan monster. What could they have come up with to make it truly terrifying? It would've cost a fortune But sometimes the spent a little to create something incredibly scary. The ghost of Jeremiah really creeped me out. It was a bunch of food-coloring bloody bandages with some paper mache, but the scene where he captured Angelique and carried her away to bury her alive so frightened me (I was, after all, a kid) that I hid behind a rocking chair and watched it with hands over my eyes, occasionally separating them to see what was happening and then closing them up again.
Gerard
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all I could figure out that a spook and two cobweb-covered bodies were the big deals that caused people to die or either go insane and I though "is that all there is?"
Even though this is definitely OT for this topic, it wasn't just that there were two cobweb-covered bodies, it was that there were two perfectly preserved cobweb-covered bodies - and I also seem to recall that not only were their bodies preserved but their spirits were still "alive" (which was how they were able to possess anyone who touched them). Even Brutus' own loving sister and frequent co-conspirator, Constance, thought he was a monster for having done what he did to James and Amanda - and apparently those who spent time in the room and discovered James and Amanda thought it was monstrous too.
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SG #61 shared the artwork for Page 5 without the dialogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_21_2.jpg)
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And here's the sixth page (a bit early - but once again there's a lot of extra stuff upcoming):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page6.jpg)
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And take note that all the creatures' dialogue as well as Barnabas' dialogue didn't make the slideshow. Swann and Julia were more important...
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I guess, MB, that, as a kid, I found the climactic reveal of the 1841 PT plot to be too confusing for me. Heck, as an oldster, I still find it confusing. But anyway you're right. Back to the original topic regarding the comic book. I'll focus on being confused as to what's going on with Julia and Barnabas going back to her home town and Julia not knowing why it's populated with extras from The Lord of the Rings. Well, she obviously now knows, but she didn't notice it before growing up there? Let's see what happens next.
Gerard
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SG #61 also shared the artwork for Page 6 without the dialogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_4_3.jpg)
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I'll focus on being confused as to what's going on with Julia and Barnabas going back to her home town and Julia not knowing why it's populated with extras from The Lord of the Rings. Well, she obviously now knows, but she didn't notice it before growing up there? Let's see what happens next.
Actually, save that particular focus for a later time because beginning with tomorrow's slideshow the action shifts back to Collinwood, where it will stay for the rest of this month and beyond into a great deal of next month. Barrettstown will return next month - but briefly - and with the focus on things other than the mutants. They won't actually make a reappearance until September, so anyone who's been hoping for them to take a vacation, your prayers have been answered. [ghost_cheesy]
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Not until September, MB? Are you serious? So where are the adorable little things, along with Julia, Barnabas and whomever that guy are going for the rest of the summer? Do they have a bundled time-share in condos in Wisconsin Dells? Well, I guess we'll shift back to Collinwood. Hopefully, David will go over his multiplication charts while in Vicki's summer school.
Gerard
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If only the mutants did have a time-share and they'd gotten stuck there. But no, they will be back.
As for David, he'll be spoken about, but I don't think he shows up in the flesh again in this particular story...
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I had a problem with the pacing of the book. They would spend a lot of time on one particular plot and then abruptly move onto something else and it seemed to take an eternity to get back to the original storyline. Subplots are part and parcel of comic books and soap operas but they need to be better balanced than they are here. Plus, you've also got flashbacks to the 18th century which were likely deemed necessary to keep Angelique in the book. The story elements don't blend together the way that they should and it keeps the book unfocused. This would have been a bit more acceptable if the book came out a more regular schedule. But there were so many production delays that made the story extremely difficult to follow.
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I had a problem with the pacing of the book. They would spend a lot of time on one particular plot and then abruptly move onto something else and it seemed to take an eternity to get back to the original storyline. Subplots are part and parcel of comic books and soap operas but they need to be better balanced than they are here.
True. Though I do have to admit that anything that takes focus away from Barrettstown is fine with me. I have no problem that that plot won't come back into primary focus again until some point in September - especially when so much of Book 1, Issue 4 is Barrettstown. It gives me time to gird my loins, so to speak, for its return. [ghost_wink]
Plus, you've also got flashbacks to the 18th century which were likely deemed necessary to keep Angelique in the book.
I can forgive all the flashbacks mostly because I like what they did with them, both with the ones that explain events in the present that we didn't see as well as events we didn't see in the past. Plus, they're all so much more interesting than Barrettstown.
The story elements don't blend together the way that they should and it keeps the book unfocused. This would have been a bit more acceptable if the book came out a more regular schedule. But there were so many production delays that made the story extremely difficult to follow.
I am happy that the time to make the comics as high quality as possible was taken. But at the same time I can't help but think that if they had stuck to the original schedule of a new issue every two months, instead of only reaching Book 3, Issue 1, the releases would have gotten all the way through to at least Book 3, Issue 4 before Innovation went under. That way at least three complete stories would have been released rather than leaving Book 3 dangling...
Not to mention subscribers would have gotten their full money's worth...
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I do wonder when they actually planned on resolving the NBC cliffhanger. With the potential Laura story that seemed implied by the artwork that surfaced recently and the proposed collaboration with Lara Parker, who knows how long it would have taken them to get there.
The production delays were very frustrating. I know if they were caused by internal conflicts at Innovation or if the painted artwork took a lot longer to produce than traditional pencil artwork. Delays like that were not unique to Innovation. I remember picking up the first issue of a book called Ms. Mystic. It was an interesting book and I thought that I would enjoy future issues. It was over two years before the second issue came out. I don't think that there was a third one.
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With regard to yesterday's second quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0709ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Liz: 'YOU MAY BE
SURPRISED TO LEARN WE'VE FOUND INDICATIONS THAT A
NUMBER OF US LOOK STRIKINGLY LIKE ANCESTORS AND
COLLINSPORT RESIDENTS FROM TWO CENTURIES AGO...'
- and today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0710ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Liz: '...DOCTOR HOFFMAN
HAS BEGUN RESEARCHING A BOOK ABOUT COLLINSPORT--
SHE TELLS ME SHE'S FASCINATED BY THE COINCIDENCES
AND GENETICS THAT HAD TO BE AT WORK!'
- isn't it interesting that along with still treating Joe Haskell, working on a cure for Barnabas, and writing a book on her own family, she also manages to work in research on Collins ancestors as well as the residents of Collinsport. Apparently Julia is the most talented of multitaskers. [ghost_wink]
It's also interesting that Liz refers to Julia's book as one about Collinsport whereas Julia has always said that her book is about her family in Collinsport, not Collinsport in general. It is called The Hoffman Family In Collinsport after all...
But then, as liberties go in these comics, I suppose all of this may be but a minor issue... Although, in terms of readers who may not be familiar with how various DS actors play roles in both the present and the past, it is a good idea to set up why characters in the past will resemble characters in the present.
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Regarding today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0711ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Carolyn: 'MOTHER, YOU
MAKE IT SEEM AS THOUGH WE'VE SOME DEEP, DARK
SECRETS HIDDEN HERE! I THINK DAVID'S ABOUT AS
STRANGE AS WE TEND TO GET, IN COLLINWOOD.
OTHERWISE, LIFE HERE IS PRETTY DULL AND THUDLIKE.'
- little does Carolyn realize how wrong she is, considering they now have a vampire on the estate and shortly David will attempt to kill his father through supernatural means. Hardly "dull and thudlike." Though no one but Willie and Julia know Barnabas' secret - and David has yet to attempt patricide. But with the DS audience knowing those things are happening or soon will happen, it makes Carolyn's remark one of the more interesting if not also ironic bits of dialogue in the comics thusfar...
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Regarding today's quote -
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Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Vicki: 'GOOD MORNING,
CAROLYN. SPEAKING OF DAVID-- --MRS. STODDARD, HOW
LONG HAD DAVID BEEN WITHOUT HIS FATHER?'
- the second part of it begins to rework a scene that was scripted, shot and included in the pilot until NBC had it cut to make room for more commercials - though thankfully it was restored for the MPI VHS release. And something that's going to become quite obvious is that the comic actually uses the dialogue as it appears in the pilot rather than as it appears in the script, which means that they had access to the pilot's footage before it was released by MPI.
But anyway, as we went into back in 2015, this is how the scene begins in the pilot's script -
And onto the script's next scene (which is one that only appears in MPI's restored version of the pilot):
39 INT. DRAWING ROOM - NIGHT
Vicki is finishing her tea and Mrs. Johnson's sandwiches with
Elizabeth and Carolyn.
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And that's when today's first quote -
Page 21/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'How long has David been without his father?'
comes up.
- and with they exception of directly addressing Liz, nothing about the dialogue is different at this point...
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Yesterday I wanted to share a general screen cap just to show what the scene looks like in the pilot for the benefit of those who may not have seen the restored footage on the MPI VHS:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0303ds91_0.jpg)
Plus, with regard to yesterday's quote from the comic, I wanted to share the capture/quote from back when we were doing the slideshow for the pilot script:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0302ds91_0.jpg)
Page 21/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'How long has David been without
his father?'
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Regarding today's quotes -
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Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Liz: 'OH, ABOUT SIX YEARS.
I BROUGHT HIM BACK FROM ENGLAND, WHERE HIS MOTHER,
LAURA, IS BEING CARED FOR. IT'S BEEN VERY HARD ON HIM.
BUT HE'S A BRIGHT BOY. AND HE HAS AN AMAZING
IMAGINATION.'
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Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Carolyn's voice: 'MMM...IF
YOU CALL PUTTING GARDEN SNAKES IN MY DRESSER
"IMAGINATION."'
- this is how today's first quote plays in the pilot's script and in the pilot -
- followed by today's second quote -
Page 21/Scene 39 - Liz: 'Almost six years, now. I brought him back from England shortly after his mother... took ill. [Vicki subtly shakes her head, digesting the situation.] LIZ (CONT'D) - 'It's been hard on him. But he's a very bright boy and he has an amazing imagination.'
And the only differences here are that Liz actually says "Oh, it's been about six years, now. I brought him back from England when his mother took ill." And then she continues with "It's been very hard on him. But he's a bright boy and has an amazing imagination."
- and as you can see, the comic uses a combination of the way it's written in the script and they way it's delivered in the pilot - and here's how today's second quote plays in the pilot's script and in the pilot -
Picking up where we left off with Scene 39:
After Liz mentions David's "amazing imagination," Tuesday's quote -
Page 21/Scene 39 - Carolyn: 'If you call putting garden snakes in my dresser imaginative.'
- comes up.
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And the differences in this section are that Carolyn actually says "Mmm - if you can call putting garden snakes in my dresser imaginative" -
- and as you can see the comic takes the added "Mmm" from the pilot but also changes "imaginative" to "imagination" - and here's how both portions of the scene actually look as they play in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0302ds91_1.jpg)
Page 21/Scene 39 - Liz: 'Almost six years, now. I brought him
back from England shortly after his mother... took ill. [Vicki
subtly shakes her head, digesting the situation.] LIZ (CONT'D)
- 'It's been hard on him. But he's a very bright boy and he has
an amazing imagination.'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0303ds91_0.jpg)
Page 21/Scene 39 - Carolyn: 'If you call putting garden snakes
in my dresser imaginative.'
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Regarding today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0714ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Roger: 'MY SON? GARDEN
SNAKES? SOUNDS LIKE THE TATTERED OLD HOUSEHOLD IS
OPERATING NORMALLY.'
- it's a complete invention for the comic. This is how the scene plays in the pilot's script when Roger enters -
...
- and then the script continues with:
Roger enters in the b.g.
LIZ
Roger, I'd like you to meet Vicki
Winters.
(CONTINUED)
Revised 2/28/90
39 CONTINUED:
He cordially takes her hand.
ROGER
I'm Roger Collins, David's father.
VICKI
It's nice to meet you.
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And the differences in this section are ... - as Roger enters the drawing room, he delivers an unscripted "Hello" - Liz actually says "Oh, Roger, I'd like you to meet Victoria Winters" -
- and it only makes sense that the comic would give Roger different dialogue there because Vicki has already been living at Collinwood for a while and she doesn't need to be introduced to Roger as she did on her first night at Collinwood...
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Regarding today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0715ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Vicki: 'OH, BUT YOU HAVE
A LOVELY HOME, MR. COLLINS.'
- this is how it plays in the pilot's script -
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And then Vicki continues with Wednesday's quote -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'You have a lovely home.'
...
- and it's delivered exactly that way in the pilot - the "OH, BUT" and the "MR. COLLINS" were added to the comic, with the former no doubt in response to Roger saying in the comic that Collinwood has a "TATTERED OLD HOUSEHOLD" (which actually seems like an odd comment because there's nothing about the '91 Series' Collinwood that's in poor condition) - and here's how that portion of the scene actually looks as it plays in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0304ds91_0.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'You have a lovely home.'
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Regarding today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0716ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Roger: 'WELL, THANK YOU.
MY SISTER'S ALWAYS HAD A GIFT FOR MAINTAINING IN
THE GRAND MANNER.'
- this is how it plays in the pilot's script -
...
- after which Roger replies with Thursday's quote -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Roger: 'Thank you. My sister has always had a gift for maintaining the grand style.'
...
- after Vicki compliments Collinwood, Roger actually says "Well, thank you. My sister has always had a gift for maintaining in the grand manner" -
...
- so notice that the comic uses a version that's nearly identical to what Roger actually says in the pilot as he adds a "Well" to the beginning, the word "in," as in "in the grand", and he changes "style" to "manner" - and here's how that portion of the scene actually looks as it plays in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0305ds91_0.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Roger: 'Thank you. My sister has always
had a gift for maintaining the grand style.''
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Regarding today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0717ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 7 - Liz: 'AND WHY NOT? STYLE
SHOULD BE THE DRESS OF THOUGHT. IT TEMPERS LIFE
WITH GRACE--'
- this is how it plays in the pilot's script -
...
- and Liz responds with Friday's quote -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Liz: 'And why not? Style should be the dress of thought. It tempers life with grace.'
...
- and when Liz responds, Roger and Carolyn share an unscripted look as if to say "she's waxing rhapsodic again." ...
- so the script, the pilot and the comic all have the exact same wording - and unfortunately, though, the comic doesn't include a panel of Roger and Carolyn sharing a look as they do in the pilot because that's one of the best moments in the scene, and quite possibly one that was improvised since it doesn't appear in the script - however, here's how Liz' delivery actually looks as it plays in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0306ds91_0.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Liz: 'And why not? Style should be the
dress of thought. It tempers life with grace.'
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And here's the seventh page (a bit early - but once again there's extra stuff upcoming):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And this is one of the few times when every bit of dialogue on a page made it into the slideshow...
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SG #61 also shared the artwork for Page 7 without the dialogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_4_4.jpg)
Though it's funny how about an inch of the right side of the page is cut off...
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Regarding today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0718ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Liz' voice: '--DON'T YOU
THINK, MISS WINTERS?'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0718ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Vicki: 'OH, YES, I DO'
- this is how they play in the pilot's script -
...
- and then the script continues with:
LIZ
(turns to Vicki)
Don't you think so, Miss Winters?
VICKI
(smiles)
Yes, I do.
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... And Liz doesn't look to Vicki when she asks if she agrees because Liz has been looking at her the whole time.
- and as you can see, for some reason the comic drops "so", as in "think so" from Liz' line - and apparently back in 2015 I neglected to point out that in the pilot Vicki adds an "Oh" before her line ([embb]) - and as you can see, she delivers the line that same way in the comic - and even though neither of those lines were used in the pilot's slideshow, I've taken captures, so here's how both actually look as they play in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Dontyou.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Liz: (turns to Vicki) 'Don't you think so,
Miss Winters?'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ido.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Vicki: (smiles) 'Yes, I do.'
- and as an aside, I just love the smirk on Carolyn's face when she and Roger exchange knowing glances -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/smirk.jpg)
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Regarding today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0719ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Vicki's voice: 'MAY I ASK IF
THAT'S A SUERAT?'
- this is how it plays in the pilot's script -
Moving on, in reference to Vicki, Scene 39 continues with:
She glances over at a painting.
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And that's when Vicki asks Saturday's first quote -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Vicki (CONT'D): 'May I ask if that's a Seurat?'
- and as you can see, the comic and the script have the same line - well, except for a misspelling of the artist's name in one of them - and would it surprise you to know that the misspelling is in the comic? No? I didn't think so. [ghost_wink]
But anyway, here's how this portion of the scene plays in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0307ds91_0.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Vicki (CONT'D): 'May I ask if that's a
Seurat?'
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I'm glad you added the explanation. Yesterday I was wondering if it were a typo on your part or if you were copying what they had. Then today I saw it correctly in the script, but followed by your explanation!!
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One hopes it was just a typo in the comic - but...
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Regarding today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0720ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Liz: 'ACTUALLY, IT'S A
COPY PAINTED BY--'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0720ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Roger: '--PAINTED BY
ANOTHER ARTIST.'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0720ds91_2.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Vicki: 'IT'S VERY GOOD.'
- this is how they play in the pilot's script -
...
- whereupon the script indicates -
Elizabeth turns to Roger, smiles.
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- which is when Liz answers with Saturday's second quote -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Liz: 'Actually, it's a copy... It was painted by...'
- before Roger interrupts with Sunday's first quote -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Roger: (overriding, curtly) 'It was painted by another artist.'
- to which the script explains -
Elizabeth gives him a quick glance and frowns.
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- and then Vicki comments -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'Well it's very good.'
- with Sunday's second quote - ...
- and as you can see, the comic combined Liz' two lines into one, dropping the "It was" - and the comic also dropped the "It was" from Roger's line - and it dropped the "Well" from Vicki's line - but interestingly enough each of those quotes is delivered exactly as scripted in the pilot - the differences between the script and the pilot are -
...
... Though, of course, on the restored MPI VHS not everything plays out quite the way it does in the script. The largest differences are that Liz doesn't turn to smile at Roger when Vicki brings up the painting but rather looks toward the painting as she begins to explain before Roger cuts her off and she gives him a puzzled look, which doesn't escape Vicki. And after all that, Vicki walks over to examine the painting closer before she turns back to say how good she thinks the painting is. ...
- and the biggest differences in the comic are that Liz is standing rather than sitting throughout and Vicki is studying the painting as all three quotes are delivered - and so here are how the three actually look as they play in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0307ds91_1.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Liz: 'Actually, it's a copy... It was
painted by...'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0308ds91_0.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Roger: (overriding, curtly) 'It was
painted by another artist.'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0308ds91_1.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'Well it's very good.'
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Regarding today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0721ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Roger's voice: 'YOU ENJOY
ART, MISS WINTERS?'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0721ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Vicki: 'OH, IT'S ONE OF MY
FAVORITE SUBJECTS TO TEACH.' Vicki: 'I THINK CHILDREN
EXPRESS THEMSELVES VERY WELL THROUGH DRAWING
AND PAINTING.'
- this is how they play in the pilot's script -
...
- after which the script indicates that -
Roger lights a cigarette.
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- before he asks -
Page 22/Scene 39 - Roger: 'Do you enjoy art, Miss Winters?'
- as Monday's quote.
(CONTINUED)
Revised 2/28/90
39 CONTINUED: (2)
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And Vicki responds -
Page 23/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'It's one of my favorite subjects to teach. I think children express themselves very well through drawing and painting.'
- with Tuesday's first quote -
... Also, Roger doesn't light a cigarette before asking Vicki if she enjoys art. ...
- and as you can see, the comic drops the opening "Do" from Roger's line, though that's also how Roger actually delivers the line in the pilot - and the comic separates Vicki's quote into two lines along with adding an "Oh" at the beginning of the first, which is how she actually delivers it in the pilot, though she delivers one line right after the other as she walks back over to Roger - and so here are how these actually look as they play in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0309ds91_0.jpg)
Page 22/Scene 39 - Roger: 'Do you enjoy art, Miss Winters?'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0310ds91_0.jpg)
Page 23/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'It's one of my favorite subjects to
teach. I think children express themselves very well through
drawing and painting.'
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Regarding today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0722ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Roger: 'I SUPPOSE YOU GET
TO KNOW THEM BETTER.'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0722ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Vicki's voice: 'AND THEY GET
TO KNOW THEMSELVES.' Vicki's voice: 'THAT'S THE
CHALLENGE'
- this is how they play in the pilot's script -
...
- to which Roger replies -
Page 23/Scene 39 - Roger: (cynically) 'I suppose you can get to know them that way.'
- but Vicki explains -
Page 23/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'And they can get to know themselves, that's the challenge.'
- with today's quote - and then the script indicates that:
Roger and Elizabeth exchange a glance, then Roger looks at
Vicki, there may be more to this young lady than he expected.
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... And we see no exchanged glance between Roger and Liz after Vicki comments that the challenge to teaching art is allowing children to get to know themselves - nor do we see any indication that Roger may think there's more to Vicki than he expected.
- and as you can see, Roger's line in the comic is quite different from what's scripted - however, how Roger responds to Vicki in the comic is the exact same way as he responds in the pilot, all dripping of cynicism, which doesn't necessarily translate in the comic - and it's interesting how in the comic Roger suddenly has a drink in his hand, which is something that wasn't scripted or in the pilot - and once again the comic separates Vicki's quote into two lines, though in her case the wording is almost exactly the same as the script, with only the "can" in "can get" dropped, which is also how it's delivered in the pilot - and so here are how these actually look as they play in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0310ds91_1.jpg)
Page 23/Scene 39 - Roger: (cynically) 'I suppose you can get
to know them that way.'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0311ds91_0.jpg)
Page 23/Scene 39 - Vicki: 'And they can get to know
themselves, that's the challenge.'
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Regarding today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0723ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Roger: 'I THINK YOU'LL
FIND MY SON AS MUCH A CHALLENGE AS YOU CAN HANDLE.
I'M QUITE CERTAIN DAVID IS DIFFERENT FROM ANY BOY
YOU'VE EVER TAUGHT.'
- this is how it plays in the pilot's script -
A good reason why we don't see any indication from Roger that he might think there's more to Vicki than he expected is that right after Vicki's comment that the challenge to teaching art is allowing children to get to know themselves, Roger launches right into today's quote -
Page 23/Scene 39 - Roger: 'Well I think you'll find that my son is as much of a challenge as you can handle. I'm quite certain he's different from any boy you've ever taught before. Goodnight, Miss Winters.'
- and then the script ends the scene with:
Roger nods and exits. HOLD on Vicki as she watches him go,
and...
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But naturally things don't end quite like that. Roger actually says "Well I think you'll find my son as much a challenge as you can handle. I'm quite certain David is different from any boy you've ever taught" and ...
- and as you can see, with the exception of the introductory "Well", which was dropped in the comic, Roger's line in the comic is exactly the same as what he delivers in the pilot - and here is how this actually look as it plays in the pilot -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91scriptquoteimages/0312ds91_0.jpg)
Page 23/Scene 39 - Roger: 'Well I think you'll find that my
son is as much of a challenge as you can handle. I'm quite
certain he's different from any boy you've ever taught before.
Goodnight, Miss Winters.'
- and as for how the scene actually ends in the pilot and the comic, we'll see both tomorrow...
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Regarding today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0724ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 8 - Roger: 'GOOD DAY,
LADIES...MISS WINTERS...'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0724ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 9 - Roger's voice: '"...I'VE SOME
BUSINESS ON THE WATER."'
- this is how they play in the pilot's script -
...
... and turns in Carolyn's direction to say "Goodnight, ladies" and then back to Vicki with a simple "Miss Winters" and he leaves. Vicki is somewhat surprised by what Roger has said, Liz is embarrassed, but ...
- and as we saw in yesterday's quote from the script, after summing up David, Roger simply bids Vicki a good night - but as we can see above, Roger actually bids Liz and Carolyn a good night and then adds Vicki afterward - and as you can see, in the comic Roger's first line is quite similar, with only the time of day being different, and then his addressing of Vicki is identical - however, in the pilot, unlike in the comic where Roger adds in today's second quote that he has business on the water (a mysterious remark that will begin to be explained tomorrow), Roger's good nights are then followed by Vicki actually looking to the Roger -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Watch.jpg)
- as his leaves the room - and while one could say Vicki's reaction in the comic looks somewhat surprised, she doesn't look as surprised as she does when -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/React.jpg)
- she turns back in the pilot - and the comic makes no effort to show -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Embarr.jpg)
- Liz' embarrassed reaction at all - and as I wrote back in 2015, this -
...
... but the devilish smirk on Carolyn's face, which I just love -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91quoteimages_A/0312ds91_a.jpg)
- betrays that she's quite pleased that someone has owned up to the truth about David.
- is how the scene wraps in the pilot - and while we do see Carolyn in the final drawing room panel in the comic, her expression by no means conveys as much as Carolyn's expression does in the pilot.
And that's the end of things that were lifted from the pilot's script. And it was nice of them to include it all because, as I wrote back in 2015, it's a shame it was all cut from the NBC version of the pilot because there are some great character moments in the scene. At the time the comic was being put together, it was apparently thought that the scene would never see the light of day, but little did they know that MPI would restore the scene in its VHS release of the pilot...
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And here's the eighth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And once again this is one of the few times when every bit of dialogue on a page made it into the slideshow...
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SG #61 also shared the artwork for Page 7 without the dialogue:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_21_1.jpg)
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I have all the comics but haven't looked at them in years. Your posts bring back memories on why I got disappointed in them. What started out so brilliantly evolved into a terrible storyline - then the artwork really went downhill. I'm guessing budget cuts forced this. The drawing of Roy Thinnes didn't even look like him anymore... Rod Taylor maybe or even Kirk Douglas... Overall, a better effort than the Gold Key cheapies but morphed into a real letdown.
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Regarding today's quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0725ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 9 - Roger's voice: 'WHY DO
YOU BOTHER SEEING THOSE TWO OLD BATS, MAGGIE?'
- and -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0725ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 9 - Maggie's voice: 'I JUST
GAVE TAROT READINGS FOR BOTH OF THEM, ROGER.'
Maggie's voice: 'THEY GAVE ME THIS IN RETURN. ONE
OF THEIR STONE SCULPTURES.'
- much of Page 9 of Book 1, Issue 3 lays the foundation for Book 2's storyline. And if you remember that storyline, there's a lot more to what's presented than might appear at first...
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I do wonder when they actually planned on resolving the NBC cliffhanger.
I seem to recall Campiti saying in at least one of the ShadowGram interviews that they planned to start to work what the show had planned for Season 2 into the comic once they began Book 5, Issue 1. Though, of course, they never got anywhere near that far into the comic...
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I have all the comics but haven't looked at them in years. Your posts bring back memories on why I got disappointed in them. What started out so brilliantly evolved into a terrible storyline - then the artwork really went downhill. I'm guessing budget cuts forced this. The drawing of Roy Thinnes didn't even look like him anymore... Rod Taylor maybe or even Kirk Douglas... Overall, a better effort than the Gold Key cheapies but morphed into a real letdown.
Honestly, I had few problems with the artwork. Sure, not every character in every panel resembled every actor perfectly. But for the most part I thought they did a really good job. Though each illustrator certainly had his own style - the panels for Book 1 are very different from the panels for Book 2 when Jose Pimentel took over from E. Silas Smith. Though, as much as I like Smith's work, I honestly think Pimentel depicted the characters/actors better than Smith did. And what we saw of Felipe Echevarria, who did Book 3, Issue 1, seemed to have an ethereal style - one that was very fitting for a story that was supposed to focus on Sarah's ghost, and it's a shame we didn't get to see more of it.
The artist whose work might have been least effective was Hector Gomez, who did the covers for all of Book 2 and Book 3, Issue 1.
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Imagine if they had hired the illustrators from the old Gold Key comic book series.
Gerard
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[pointing-up] The mind boggles at the horror THAT would have been - and for all the wrong reasons. And given that, a slightly wrong depiction of one of the actors here and there seems like a minor issue. [ghost_wink]
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The artist on the Gold Key books was the late Joe Certa, who was the regular artist on DC comic's Martian Manhunter series. He was the co-creator of the Idol Head of Diabolu. Whatever that is. Certa was an extremely popular artist throughout the 1950's and early 1960's, until his coloring book style artwork fell out of favor. Which is probably how he ended up working for Gold Key.
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And here's the ninth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And yet again this is one of the few times when every bit of dialogue on a page made it into the slideshow. (It won't be the case with the next page.)
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I'm surprised that neither I nor anyone else noticed there was a big boo boo in one of yesterday's quotes:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0730ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 10 - Carolyn: 'OH, SURE--
VICKI'LL BE THRILLED TO SEND THE LITTLE "DARLING" OUT
OF HER SIGHT FOR AWHILE.'
It wasn't until I was just formatting a few of Midnite's quotes for next month's slideshow that I noticed the quote contains the phrase "out of her sight for awhile" and therein lies the big boo boo: It's a hard and fast rule in English that the adverb "awhile" never follows a preposition, as in "for awhile." It should read "for a while," consisting of the article "a" and the noun "while." One of my English teachers in particular must be rolling over in her grave that the comic made that mistake because she was a real stickler for never making it. Though why doesn't it surprise me that the comic did?
And that concludes today's English Grammar lesson...
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And here's the tenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And take note that with this page things are back to not using all the dialogue in the slideshow.
Also, it might have been fascinating to see what they had in mind with Liz' insistence that Vicki not go down into the cellar. You may recall that David Campiti commented that they planned to get more into Liz' background - but what would have been interesting to see was whether or not the bit about the cellar was leading to something similar to what was done on the original series or if they had something else entirely in mind. Unfortunately, in all likelihood we'll never know because nothing about the cellar is ever referenced again in the comic. Though if it was to be something entirely new, let's just hope it was nothing as outlandish as Barrettstown...
And also note that the last panel on the page is also featured without its dialogue in Issue 3's letters column on Page 28, posted in reply #294...
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And here's the eleventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And take note of the one bit of Willie's dialogue from panel #4 that doesn't appear in the slideshow. Willie can't exactly tell Roger the real reason he's so panicked, now can he? [ghost_nowink]
And like how we've learned that people getting attacked by a vampire may make the sound "URK", apparently after being thrown to the ground, people may make the sound "OOOOF!" Or at least we know for sure that in Willie's case, he does. [ghost_wink]
Also, speaking of the dialogue on this page, I think they really nailed how both Willie and Roger would have spoken in the situation.
And also, similar to the panel on Page 10, note that panel #3 on this page is also featured without its dialogue in Issue 3's letters column on Page 28, posted in reply #294...
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The transition in the slideshow from Roger after Willie has knocked him to the ground -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0812ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 12 - Roger: 'YOU'RE GOING
TO LIVE TO REGRET THIS'
- to Roger unlocking and being inside his studio -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0813ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 12 - Roger: 'SO TIRED...'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0813ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 12 - Roger: '...NO MORE--'
- may seem abrupt, but even though we've skipped two panels on the page, it's almost just as abrupt in the comic because, as we'll see once I post the full version of Page 12, the two skipped panels have no relationship to or give any indication that things will soon shift to Roger's studio.
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And here's the twelfth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
I presume Roger is speaking to Willie in the two skipped panels. But then again, when he reaches his studio he certainly appears to be out of it, so who knows? And who knows it they were really setting up something that they never followed up on...
And like how we've learned that people getting attacked by a vampire may make the sound "URK", apparently after being thrown to the ground, people may make the sound "OOOOF!" Or at least we know for sure that in Willie's case, he does. [ghost_wink]
And on this page apparently we learned that when someone gets punched in the face, they make the sound "UNNNGHH!" [b003]
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And on this page apparently we learned that when someone gets punched in the face, they make the sound "UNNNGHH!" [b003]
Right out of Batman! Zowie!
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[lghy] Maybe they were reading too much Batman. Though I do suppose there has to be some sort of sound to make sure the reader fully understands a punch landed...
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And here's the thirteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And now we know how Angelique's picture got to be in Sarah's diary...
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SG #61 also shared a preliminary sketch for Page 13:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_4_5.jpg)
Note that some of the dialogue (what little there is) is not in the sketch...
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I seem to recall Campiti saying in at least one of the ShadowGram interviews that they planned to start to work what the show had planned for Season 2 into the comic once they began Book 5, Issue 1. Though, of course, they never got anywhere near that far into the comic...
Actually, they planned to do it earlier. While I was looking for info about Lara Parker's presentation on the MPI VHS Vol. 195, I saw a comment in SG that Book 4 was going to pick up where the series left off with Vicki's return to the present. Book 4 was also to be Campiti's collaboration with Lara Parker for which they developed some of what eventually turned into Angelique's Descent. But to me, anyway, the most intriguing part of Book 4 was that it was going to explain more about Laura. But alas...
Interestingly, some of the artwork for Book 4 had already been completed before Innovation went under and SG shared some of it. Though it'll be quite a while before we ever reach that point in the SG issues...
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And here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Another page where we used all the dialogue/journal entries. The only thing that was skipped was lighting the match...
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I know that Bill Mumy was able to eventually finish and publish his multi part Lost in Space story Voyage to the Bottom of the Soul which was less than halfway through when Innovation went kaput. I wonder if there's been any discussion about completing work on the DS stories. There seems to be a market for new DS material of any kind.
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For some reason I can't access our FTP space to update the slideshow so it's looking like it won't get updated until such time as it lets me in...
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(At least I can post this because I'd uploaded it a week ago.)
And here's the fifteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another page where we used all the dialogue/journal entries and all the panels.
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Interestingly enough, what began with yesterday's second quote in the slideshow is a dream Barnabas is having of actual events/scenes that took place during the 1790 sequences on the '91 Series. Fans familiar with the series will probably instantly recall the scenes simply by reading the quotes Midnite has picked out, and so if we were going to have a problem with uploading scans from the comic, this is quite possibly, well, not the best time for it to happen, but at least an opportune time.
Once the problem with the FTP is settled, I'll be uploading the skipped over scans, so in anticipation of that I'm going to post the slideshow's quotes as if the scans have actually been uploaded, and then that way once they are, they'll appear in the posts so that anyone interested will be able to go back to them to see what would have appeared in the slideshow.
First up, yesterday's second quote:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0823ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Three/Page 16/Dream - Barnabas:
'ANGELIQUE!' Barnabas: 'WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME?!'
And you'll notice that I've fixed things so that the wrong scans will no longer be displaying in the slideshow. But hopefully things will get back to normal sooner rather than later...
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And here are today's entries in the slideshow:
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Book One/Issue Three/Page 16/Dream - Angelique: 'YOU
WOULD NOT COME TO ME IN LIFE, BARNABAS.' Angelique: 'I
HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL ETERNITY TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.'
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Book One/Issue Three/Page 16/Dream - Barnabas:
'ETERNITY...?!'
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As you can see, access to the FTP is back...
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And here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another page where we used all the dialogue/journal entries - though this time we skipped the first panel because there was nothing to quote associated with it.
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SG #61 also shared a preliminary sketch for Panel 4 on Page 16:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_21_3.jpg)
Note that the placement of the dialogue is sometimes entirely different from where it ended up being in the final version...
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When it comes to the scene that Barnabas recalls in his dream, it's just a bit different in Ep #10 of the '91 Series. It actually begins with Millicent coming down the stairs in the foyer while carrying hat boxes. After she reaches the first floor and puts them down on the floor, she hears a door unlatch. She calls out to Ben, but when she turns toward the door at the far end of the corridor, all she sees is a figure silhouetted against the light coming in the door. She calls out to Ben again, but as the figure moves closer, she soon has the shocking realization that it's Barnabas, who was buried that day. She says his name in shock and screams in terror when Barnabas bares his fangs and moves in to attack her. Though during the attack she actually moans in what could be considered pleasure as Barnabas takes her to the floor.
And it is after all that that Barnabas suddenly begins to hear Angelique repeatedly laughing -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ep10-01.jpg)
Angelique: 'Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha'
- and then we see Angelique floating in the foyer as she -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ep10-02.jpg)
Angelique: 'Hahahahahaha'
- continues to laugh - and soon Barnabas sees her -
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Angelique: 'Hahahahahaha'
- as well, as all the while she continues to laugh as he looks back to what he's done -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ep10-04.jpg)
Angelique: 'Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha'
- to Millicent and the realization of it -
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Angelique: 'Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha'
- sinks in - and he then stands to look up at Angelique as -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ep10-06.jpg)
- her laughter subsides - Angelique then asks him -
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Angelique: 'Do you enjoy your new life, mon cher?'
- to which the comic starts the scene with Barnabas begging to know -
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Angelique: 'ANGELIQUE! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME?!'
- and Angelique replies -
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Angelique: 'YOU WOULD NOT COME TO ME IN LIFE,
BARNABAS. I HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL ETERNITY TO CHANGE
YOUR MIND'
- to which Barnabas questions incredulously -
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Barnabas: 'ETERNITY...?!'
- and Angelique relishes explaining -
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Angelique: 'YES...ETERNITY. AN ETERNITY OF DARKNESS,
FEEDING LIKE A BEAST IN THE NIGHT ON HUMAN BLOOD.'
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Angelique: 'ALONE--FEARED AND REVILED BY EVERY
LIVING CREATURE. AND ANYONE WHO DARES TO LOVE
YOU...SHALL DIE!'
- and in the actual scene Angelique also adds -
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Angelique: 'This is Angelique's gift to you, mon cher.
Her curse.'
- and Barnabas nods no as she adds -
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Angelique: 'And no one shall undo it.'
- but none of that is included in the comic - so in the comic Barnabas replies only to the part about him being reviled and how those who love him shall die with -
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Barnabas: 'THEN KILL ME! KILL ME, IN GOD'S NAME, AND
BE DONE WITH IT!'
- and note that in the scene he actually says "IN GOD'S NAME" rather then the comic's "IN THE NAME OF GOD" - but to that Angelique responds with -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ep10-16.jpg)
Angelique: 'HOW CAN I? I LOVE YOU FAR TOO MUCH FOR
THAT, MON CHER. HAHAHAHAHAHA'
- and that's where the comic ends - but in Ep #10 after Angelique disappears, Barnabas turns to look back in horror at what he's done to Millicent and he falls to his knees, looks up toward heaven and begs God to help him.
(And I apologize for taking captures from the DVD set with its incorrect color timing and aspect ratio rather than the VHS with its correct color timing and aspect ratio. But it's such a hassle to set up a VCR for captures - and even though I've made digital copies of the tapes, I'm not quite sure where I've stored them...)
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And as you've probably already noticed, today's installment in the slideshow begins another incident in Barnabas' dream in the comic where he's dreaming about actual events/scenes that took place during the 1790 sequences on the '91 Series.
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Hmm - when it comes to today's first quote -
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Book One/Issue Three/Page 17/Dream - Angelique: 'I
WILL FETCH YOUR TRAVELLING CASE.'
- was the comic trying to be clever? "Traveling" (with one "l") is the preferred spelling in the US. But "travelling" (with two) is the preferred spelling used in the UK. Did the comic use "travelling" because Barnabas' family originally came from the UK (even though it's Angelique saying the word). Or was it a boo-boo? We'll never know. But considering the comic hasn't used other UK spellings...
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Good question, MB! I decided to look it up and all sources said both versions are correct. When I typed both on a document, neither came up with the squiggly spellcheck line. I guess it's like "cancelation" and "cancellation." Of course we patriots write "color" while the redcoats write "colour."
So, did the author deliberately write the British version or was it a mistake? I guess we won't know. Maybe the author was being tricky. It reminds me of when I read S.E. Hinton's addition to the fallen-apart revival of the Harper-Collins DS novels, Hawkes Harbor which was initially titled Collinsport. All our characters and locations were there but renamed - save for just one time when Ms. Hinton threw in her tribute to us DS fans and called the renamed Roger Collins, Roger Collins. How wonderfully sneaky of her and I'm surprised you-know-who didn't throw a hissy fit and call out his bevy (or is it "bevvy?") of lawyers.
Gerard
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And here's the seventeenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another page where we used all the dialogue, journal entries and panels. In fact, some of the panels were scanned in multiple ways due to the dialogue and journal entries in them...
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Observant members and those with a good memory of the '91 Series will have already realized that with today's installment in the slideshow Barnabas' dream in the comic has shifted to a different 1790 scene from the '91 Series. It will continue for all of this week...
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When it comes the differences with regard to how the two 1790 scenes actually play in the '91 Series and how they play in Barnabas' dream in the comic, my original intent was to wait until after both had concluded in the comic. However, as I was just watching how the scene on Page 17 actually plays on the show, I've realized that there are so many differences that I'm going to do them separately.
So, with that in mind I'll begin by explaining that in Ep #8 of the show the scene actually begins with Vicki up on the landing watching the arrival of Josette and at first she is unaware that Angelique is behind her watching her reaction to Josette as well as Josette's arrival - and it isn't simply Josette who has arrived because her father Andre is also down in the foyer with Joshua as Barnabas calls out to Josette, who turns and sees Barnabas coming down the stairs accompanied by Naomi, who welcomes Josette to America, and after Josette has thanked her, Naomi goes to join Joshua - and as things progress in the background with the other three is when Barnabas actually comes to Josette's side and says -
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Barnabas: 'YOU'RE HERE, AT LAST. THANK GOD.'
- without first addressing her as Josette, as he does in the comic, and then he hugs her - but unlike the comic, Josette's line does not immediately follow in the show because things shift to the landing with Angelique moving to Vicki's side as we hear Joshua ask Andre -
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Joshua's Voice: 'Was there trouble in the crossing?'
- and Vicki turns to Angelique as Andre begins to reply with -
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Andre's Voice: 'Ah, we had eleven days of nothing but
gale--'
- and concludes with -
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Andre: '--force winds and rain.'
- as he also kisses Naomi's hand, though it's not likely that any of that registered with Barnabas because he was still too occupied hugging Josette - and then back up on the landing Angelique tells Vicki -
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Angelique: 'I must go to my mistress.'
- and then moves off, so clearly Angelique was not already on the stairs as she's depicted in the comic as Barnabas and Josette greet each other - and it's not actually until after all that that Josette tells Barnabas -
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Josette: 'YOUR EYES, I HAVE NEVER FORGOTTEN THE DARK
FIRE OF YOUR EYES.'
- and note that in the scene she actually says "OF YOUR EYES" rather than the comic's "IN YOUR EYES" - (and also take note that Ben Loomis has joined the group - his eye-patched head can be seen next to Joshua) - and it isn't even then that Angelique comes down the stairs because the next one on the scene is Natalie, who interrupts Barnabas and Josette with -
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Natalie's Voice: 'Oh-pa.'
- and then we see Natalie and she comes down the stairs saying -
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Natalie: 'Cherie.'
- followed by Josette greeting her with -
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Josette: 'Aunt Natalie.'
- and Natalie kisses each of Jostte's cheeks as she says -
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Natalie: 'I was so worried.'
- as Barnabas moves down the stairs to join the others - and then Josette replies with -
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Josette: 'I knew you would be.'
- and then Natalie tells Josette -
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Natalie: 'You look wonderful. Fantastique.'
- to which Josette replies -
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Josette: 'I am fantastique.'
- and it isn't until after all that that Josette sees Angelique - but continuing with the scene will have to wait until next time...
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Oh, I absolutely adored Ms. Steele as Natalie. And it looked like most of the actors were having a wonderful time playing their 1790 characters. I'm going to have to dig this up and watch it again sometime soon.
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We take some time away from recapping Ep #8 to point out that, with today's scan, -
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- the comic's tribute to Angelique cleavage continues to rear its head -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue2_Page11_Panel1.jpg)
- or at least something about artist E. Silas Smith is rearing its head...
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Picking up where we left off with Ep #8 of the '91 Series, Josette excitedly says -
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Josette: 'ANGELIQUE!'
- as Natalie moves down the stairs toward the others - and we see Angelique comes down the stairs as she greets Josette with -
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Angelique: 'AH, MADAMOISELLE!'
- as she does in the comic, and after they have kissed each other on both cheeks, just as in the comic, Josette tells Angelique -
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Josette: 'I HAVE MISSED YOU!'
- and at that point Barnabas begins to come back up the stairs and Angelique gives him a wary look as we hear Joshua order -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ep08-17.jpg)
Joshua's Voice: 'Loomis - see that their luggage is
brought up, and, um--'
- and Angelique looks down and takes on a subservient posture as Barnabas moves closer and in the background we see Joshua turn and continue with -
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Joshua' Voice: '--Come, I'll show you to your rooms.'
- and it isn't until then that, as in comic, Angelique tells Josette -
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Angelique: 'I WILL FETCH YOUR TRAVELING CASE.'
- to which Josette replies -
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Josette: 'NONSENSE! I WILL FETCH IT MYSELF.'
- an attitude that harkens back to Ep #7 when Andre explains that Josette has a case of "rampant republicanism" (referring to the ongoing French Revolution) - but to that Barnabas corrects -
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Barnabas: 'NO, I WILL NOT HEAR OF IT. ANGELIQUE WILL
FETCH YOUR BAG.'
- and Barnabas actually follows that with -
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Barnabas: 'COME--I WILL SHOW YOU YOUR ROOMS.'
- and note that he actually says "SHOW YOU YOUR", not the comic's "SHOW YOU TO YOUR" - and also unlike in the comic, and which is obvious from the above capture, Barnabas says that before he and Josette move off - in fact, Angelique curtsies as they move off and her upset expression has less to do with that than it does with the fact that after Barnabas and Josette move off up the stairs, they stop on the middle landing to kiss before going up to the second floor - and when Angelique then turns to get Josette's luggage, she has to deal with Ben, who playfully keeps blocking her way, aggravating her - but after he finally lets her pass, he continues up the stairs with a big smile on his face as Angelique goes down and bends to pick up the luggage.
End of scene...
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And here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Another page where we used all the dialogue and scanned some of the panels in multiple ways due to the dialogue in them. And I'll be getting into the differences between the comic's version of the sequence and the way it actually plays in the '91 Series as soon as I get the chance...
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Now moving on to the differences between comic's second sequence from Barnabas' dream and the actual sequence as it played in Ep #8 of the '91 Series, the comic skips several bits at the beginning, starting with how after Barnabas opens the doors to her rooms, Josette walks in she describes the room as "beautiful" and "magnifique", and Barnabas explains about how after the wedding the rooms will be theirs - and then as Barnabas removes Josette's cloak, she notices something in the room and asks him how he was about to get her portrait, which we see hanging over the mantle, and Barnabas explains that he had the countess bring it because he wanted it there - and so it isn't until after all that that Barnabas strokes Josette's face and says -
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Barnabas: 'YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL.'
- and she replies -
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Josette: 'AS ARE YOU.'
- so note that is different from the comic, where she says "AS YOU ARE" - and after smiling at her, Barnabas goes to the mantle to retrieve something and he returns to hand it to Josette as he says -
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Barnabas: 'THIS IS FOR YOU. I HAD IT SPECIALLY MADE IN
BOSTON. IT WAS INTENDED AS A WEDDING PRESENT.'
- as he does in the comic - and from there things also continue as in the comic with Josette asking -
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Josette: 'THEN WHY ARE YOU GIVING IT TO ME NOW?'
- to which Barnabas replies -
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Barnabas: 'OH, BECAUSE I COULD NOT WAIT.'
- but in the actual scene he also adds -
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Barnabas: 'All my control is concentrated somewhere else.'
- and after smiling at the remark, Josette opens the gift and reacts to it with -
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Josette: 'OH, BARNABAS! IT IS EXQUISITE!'
- rather than simply "IT IS EXQUISITE!", as in the comic, and after she opens it and the melody begins to play, unlike in the comic, she further reacts with an excited -
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Josette: 'Ah!'
- and Barnabas happily replies -
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Barnabas: 'I KNEW YOU'D RECOGNIZE IT.'
- using the contraction "YOU'D" rather than the comic's "YOU WOULD" - and the sequence will continue from there next time...
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Picking up where we left off with the second sequence from Ep #8 of the '91 Series, Josette replies -
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Josette: 'IT IS WHAT THEY WERE PLAYING WHEN YOU
FIRST ASKED ME TO DANCE.'
- and after Barnabas nods yes, Josette turns to him and asks -
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Josette: 'BUT HOW DID YOU EVER GET IT IN A MUSIC BOX?'
- and note that she says "GET IT IN A MUSIC BOX" rather then the comic's "GET IT INTO A BOX" - and to that Barnabas replies -
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Barnabas: 'I CAPTURED IT!'
- but completely without the pause in the comic or the comic's hand gesture because what he actually does as he says it is lean in, in an attempt to kiss Josette, however, at the sound of someone approaching, Josette begins to turn around as Angelique enters, and realizing what she has walked in on, just as in the comic, Angelique gasps -
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Angelique: 'OOH!'
- and as Josette looks at her like a mischevious girl who's been caught but Barnabas looks at her in anger, Angelique excuses herself with -
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Angelique: 'PARDONNEZ-MOI!'
- and note how the comic not only forgot the second "N" in "PARDONNEZ", they forgot to add the hyphen - and after that Josette moves off in Angelique's direction - and we'll pause there because that brings us up to the last panel on Page 18...
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And here's the nineteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And yet another page where we used all the dialogue and the journal entries as well as all the panels. And I'll be getting into the differences between the conclusion of the comic's version of the sequence depicted in Barnabas' dream and the way it actually plays in the '91 Series as soon as I get the chance...
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Picking up where we left off with the second sequence from Ep #8 of the '91 Series, immediately after Josette moves off screen, Barnabas angrily reprimands Angelique with -
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Barnabas: 'JUST PUT THE CASE DOWN.'
- as he does in the comic, but unlike the comic, and as has already been explained, and as is obvious in the capture above, Josette is no longer standing next to him - and also as in the comic, Barnabas then adds -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Ep08_2-16.jpg)
Barnabas: 'IF MADEMOISELLE WANTS YOU, SHE SHALL
CALL YOU.'
- and I let it pass in a previous example in the previous sequence, but note that the comic misspells "MADEMOISELLE" as "MADAMOISELLE", apparently they didn't have a consultant on how to correctly spell or write French - and to that, As in the comic, Angelique replies -
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Angelique: 'CERTAINLY, SIR.'
- but unlike what the comic would seem to imply, she does so completely without a tone or an expression of anger (and unfortunately for those who only have the '91 Series on DVD, Angelique's cleavage is almost nearly cut from the frame as she bends to put the case down - clearly E. Silas Smith drew from the original aspect ratio of the NBC version [b003]) - and while the comic concludes the scene there, on the show the scene continues as Barnabas, in anger, throws to the floor something he's holding in his hand (on the DVD, anyway, we can't see what it is). Then Angelique stands back up and Josette stands holding the door as Angelique turns and leaves the room, whereupon Josette closes the door and tells Barnabas there was no need for him to speak to Angelique that way, so as Barnabas comes over to her, he apologizes and explains that he just wants to be alone with her. And after they nearly kiss, Josette tells him that is also what she wants, so Barnabas proposes that they meet outside. And after Josette asks where, Barnabas suggests the gardens, to which she agrees and then Barnabas says he'll be waiting and she nods. Then Barnabas reluctantly pulls away from her and leaves the room, after which Josette closes the door, and smiling happily, she leans up against it. And from there we see Barnabas walk down the corridor outside Josette rooms. And once he's completely passed, Angelique comes out of a nearby room, displaying the expression of shear anger on her face that the comic hinted earlier, and she makes her way toward Josette's room...
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And here's the twentieth page:
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(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And this is also a page where we used all the dialogue and the journal entries as well as all the panels. It's also the last multiple panel page in Book 3 where that's the case...
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SG #61 also shared a preliminary sketch for Panel 3 on Page 20:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_21_4.jpg)
And once again the placement of the dialogue is entirely different from where it ended up being in the final version. Also note that the preliminary sketch gets the number of teeth between Barnabas' fangs correctly at 4 and not 5, as in the final version. [ghost_rolleyes]
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This must be such an exciting day for many of you, meaning those of you who have missed the Barrettstown creatures and have been eagerly anticipating their September return. Well, there one is -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0917ds91_0.jpg)
- and isn't it thrilling?! [ghost_wink]
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How do their eyes glow in the dark? [ghost_wink] [ghost_wink] [ghost_wink]
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Excellent question - but we never get an answer...
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And here's the twenty-first page:
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(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And things are back to the usual practice of some bits of dialogue and panels not being included in the slideshow...
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And here's the twenty-second page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And note that a panel and some bits of dialogue were not included in the slideshow...
Also note that thanks to this page we've learned yet more sounds made by vampires, made while encountering vampires and/or made while dealing with the aftermath of acts committed by vampires. These comics continue to be so informative in those ways. [b003]
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Farewell, Nathaniel, we hardly got to know you.
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/0922ds91_0.jpg)
But then, did we even want to get to know you?
And isn't it interesting that in death his eye went from glowing to white...
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And because so much is going to be posted in this topic in the coming days as we switch from Issue 3 to Issue 4, here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note that some bits of dialogue and a couple panels were not included in the slideshow...
Also, it's interesting that the moon is partially shining through the clouds while it's snowing. I suppose that could happen - but I can't say I've ever seen it. But then, this is the vicinity of Collinsport, so chances are anything can happen...
And will Barnabas' suspicion regarding Julia's Uncle prove true in the next and final storyline page of Issue 3? I could simply say that all will be revealed in less than 12 hours. But, well, if you think about the fact that those lines weren't quoted in the slideshow, it might give you an indication. [ghost_wink]
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Here's the second part of the comics update in SG #61 from August 1992:
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(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_5_3.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_6_1.jpg)
I was never fully able to decide what I thought about Julia's use of magic as part of her cure for Barnabas. That goes completely against any other version of Julia because her other counterparts relied purely on science and that's also the way things are presented in what we saw in the '91 Series. But...
"We try to maintain the continuity and attention to detail as much as possible." Ummm, well, then I guess the excuse is it wasn't possible in those many instances that have been pointed out when continuity went right out the window? Uh, no, that's hardly an excuse. ::)
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As long as we're on the subject of unanswered (or unanswerable) questions, how would Barnabas or anyone else detect silver in their veins? Or diamond? Or emerald? Or asparagus?
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Here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And all the dialogue on this page was used for the slideshow - though not only is that because it's important, there's also little of it considering there's only one giant panel, which is the first time we see that in the comic.
And that brings us to the end of the storyline portion of Book 1, Issue 3. Though there are still more pages to deal with...
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I've already shared Pages #25 - #29 of Issue #3 (the letters column) and Page #30 is the same ad for the Barnabas model that I shared from Issue 2 in reply #273. So in place of that I'm going to share some photos of the model that appeared in SG #60:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_60_6_3.jpg)
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Page #31 of Issue #3 is the same ad for the watches that I shared from Issue #1 in reply #139. So in place of that I'm going to share a write-up for the watches that appeared in SG #61:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_6_2.jpg)(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_61_6_3.jpg)
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Page 32 of Issue #3 is the same ad for the posters that I shared from Issue #1 in reply #146. And given that SG hasn't really done much with regard to the posters (unlike what I've shared when it comes to the Barnabas model and the watches) there's nothing to share from SG with regard to the posters, so here's the back inside cover of Issue #3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Once again it promotes the '91 Series' MPI tapes and PomPress' Dark Shadows Resurrected book with a different design than appeared at the back of Issue #2. And it also lists addresses for SG, TWODS and the Fest.
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I never quite understood why the music on the Angelique watch played the theme from Love Story, instead of the Cobert music (not necessarily Josette's theme, any Cobert music would have sufficed). Were there licensing issues of some sort?
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And here's the back cover of Book 1, Issue 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_BackCover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And that concludes everything about Book 1, Issue 3...
As you can see, Vicki, David and Woodard have been dropped, Roger has returned, and Vincent Hoffman and Lara Hoffman have been introduced.
And as I mentioned previously, the '91 Series' tag line "A Love Story Beyond Time..." continues as part of the back cover despite the fact that the love story wasn't much in evidence in Issues 3 - at least not the Vicki portion of it...
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And that concludes everything about Book 1, Issue 3...
Actually, that's not true because I just realized that back in June I completely forgot about sharing Book1, Issue 3's front inside cover. [ghost_embarrassed] And that might be because for some odd reason, because it's not the case with the other three inside covers, it scanned so badly. But, better late than never, here it is:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue3_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And now that concludes everything about Book 1, Issue 3.. [ghost_smiley]
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Here's the front cover of Book 1, Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And as previously mentioned, this issue didn't actually come out until February '93...
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Here's the inside front cover of Book 1, Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_FrontInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_FrontInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
(What's very interesting is that even in 2004, when the WB pilot was done, the We-Can't-See-Willie-Being-Bitten-On-The-Neck notion was still in full force because the scene cuts off before Willie is attacked. Or at least it does in the version of the pilot that showed up online (I don't honestly recall if it was the case in the version that's been shown at Fests). And also interestingly, even though the scene plays very differently in the script from the way it was shot, even in the script Willie gets pulled into Barnabas' coffin so that the actual attack is not seen. Although, it appears it was actually more for suspense and mystery, so that Willie's girlfriend Kelly wouldn't know exactly what was going on until it was too late, than for timidity at showing the actual attack on Willie.)
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SG #62 came out in October 1992, shortly before Book 1, Issue 3 was finally released. As a result, SG #63, which came out in January 1993, has more about Book 1, Issue 4 than SG #62, which dealt more with Book 1, Issue 3 than Issue 4. But here's some of what can be shared from SG #62 about Book 1, Issue 3 & Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_62_4_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_62_5_2.jpg)
The artwork referred to featuring Lara Parker's Lara Hoffman will be showing up before too long...
"The revelations behind the secrets of the music box will either thrill and delight people, or it'll be the cause of some very strange letters in my mailbox." I don't honestly recall what sort of comments were published in the letters column regarding what they did with the music box in Issue 4. But everyone will be able to decide for themselves long before we may get to any fan feedback...
(The really interesting thing about SG #62 is that it shares quite a bit of info about Book 2, Issue 1 - but it's way too early to get into any of that, especially because we haven't even decided if we're going to do a slideshow for Book 2 (though as I've said, in my opinion, it's a better story...).)
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Today's slide show reminds of a horizontal game of Tetris. [hall2_grin]
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[pointing-up] [ghost_cheesy]
But speaking of today's quotes, I actually take exception with "A MAN WHO, UPON MY ARRIVAL, FIRST IMPRESSED ME AS CRUDE AND CRUEL, HAS IN RECENT WEEKS, BECOME A KIND AND CARING FRIEND" in reference to Willie. Perhaps Vicki thought that of him for a few minutes, but that instantly changed once she got a look at this dejected expression on Willie's face -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Willie_dejected.jpg)
- after everyone at the Blue Whale had seemingly ganged up on Willie. She saw the real Willie beneath the bluster, and that Willie was not crude or cruel and right there and then she made the effort to befriend him by agreeing to ride with him to Collinwood. And by the time Willie came to her with the note from Barnabas to invite her to dinner, she was already making an all-out effort to befriend him and he reciprocated, and that was much earlier than "recent weeks" before the events taking place in the comic.
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And because there are still a few things that need to be posted, here's Book 1, Issue 4's first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page1.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page1.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And now you can see why yesterday's capture in the slideshow was like it was...
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We have no definite title yet for #4. It's taking much longer to write than Scott and I expected because we're trying to get so much in and make it fit the page count we have.
Well, I suspect they might have had to go over the page count because, while the storyline portion of the first three issues of Book 1 were all 24 pages, Issue #4's page count is 27. And I suspect that partly because of that, the letters column was trimmed to 3 pages rather than 5. And here's the first page of that column (twenty-eighth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page28.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page28.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
You'll note that while they have some comments about Issue 2, they're still publishing letters about Issue 1...
Not also that the column is now called Dark Shadowbox...
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SG #62 shared this ad for Book 1, Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_62_6_2.jpg)
Funny how it features a panel from Issue 3 rather than Issue 4...
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And here's the second page of the third letters column (twenty-ninth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page29.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page29.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
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MB, in that ad you posted, are Maggie and Roger exhaling cigarette smoke, or is it just really cold?
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[pointing-up] It's just really cold.
Check out reply #346 -And here's the ninth page:
- for the actual panel featuring Maggie and Roger (and snow!), check out reply #349 -And here's the eleventh page:
- for panels featuring Willie's and Roger's breath (and more snow!), and check out end of the SG update shared in reply #288 -Here's the first part of the comics update in SG #61 from August 1992
- to read how they planned to deal with New England in winter.
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Given that the comics are promoting the MPI VHS tapes of the '91 Series, I decided to share this from SG #62:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_62_8_1.jpg)
That photo of Barnabas and Vicki would seem to have been the goto photo for the initial promotion of MPI's VHS tape for Episode 1 because it has been used in the comics' ads and the ad SG shared - though it's funny that it's actually used as the cover for the Episode 5 tape. Plus, MPI's catalogues use an array of totally different photos for the Episode 1 tape.
And it's interesting that they report that the status of the '91 DS compilation tape is "uncertain and not yet finalized". As many may recall, the reason why none of the material on that tape could be included on the '91 DS DVD sets is because you know who, who put the tape together, never got written clearance to use the material that he included on the tape. So, it's a wonder that the tape ever came out at all. (Though it's great that it did because it has some fantastic material on it, including a deleted scene that wasn't restored to MPI extended pilot because I don't believe it was included in the final edit.) And something that I had totally forgotten is there was actually a really long wait before the tape was released. I glanced through MPI's catalogues and there was no mention of it in the '93 catalogue, the '94 catalogue listed it in a "Coming Attractions" section, the '95 catalogue listed it as coming out in August of that year, however, a check of the '96 catalogue reveals that it didn't actually come out until July of that year!!
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[pointing-up] It's just really cold.
Thanks, MB. I guess that stuff flew right by me. The idea of cold winter weather and DS together is just so alien to me...
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The idea of cold winter weather and DS together is just so alien to me...
As are most of us. [ghost_smiley] We're used to green grass and green leaves on trees all year long. Frankly, as I've said before, Collinsport would seem to be an environment where even palm trees could not only exist but thrive. [ghost_wink]
Though, of course, we're talking about the daytime show there. The '91 Series actually showed trees that had their leaf color change in the fall - and that alone may set its Collinsport apart from the daytime show...
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Here are the second and third pages:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Pages2-3.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Pages2-3.jpg) for a 2656X1996 version)
And as usual, there's a bit of dialogue and a panel that weren't included in the slideshow...
Also note that they apparently decided to name Issue 4 Swann's Way...
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SG #62 shared the artwork for Page 3 without the dialogue and the DS logo:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_62_4_2.jpg)
It's interesting that it shows a bit more of Barnabas...
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And here's the third and final page of the third letters column (thirtieth page):
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page30.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page30.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
It's interesting that when someone questioned something that they actually didn't get wrong but got right, they didn't defend themselves, yet they bend over backwards to defend things that they did indeed get wrong. When it comes to the former, with reference to Charles J. Sperling questioning why Angelique was in Collinsport without Josette, they could have rightly pointed out that, just as in the daytime series, it's made clear that Angelique arrived in Collinsport with Natalie and ahead of Josette.
One thing that I find very interesting, though, is that I know for a fact that several people who wrote in letters had their letters severely edited - and what was cut were the critiques of the comic. I'm personally acquainted with two people who wrote in and only their praises of the comics got published, while their complaints were nowhere to be seen in the letters column. And I've heard of others making the same claim. But apparently they wanted to focus on the praise rather than deal with the complaints. And I suppose that could make sense because they wanted the letters column to promote the comics. But still, it may have given an erroneous impression that the people writing in were all loving all aspects of the comics with few complaints...
Also, when the releases reached Book 2, the comic did indeed start to come out on a monthly basis because Issue 1 came out in April '93 and Issue 2 came out in May - but that didn't last long because Issue 3 didn't come out until August, with Issue 4 coming out in October. (If only they had been able to stick to a monthly schedule we might have actually gotten all of Book 3 instead of just Issue 1.)
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I know a few people who had their letters published in the book. One of them was on the first page posted. I never wrote in myself but, even at the height of my comics mania, I never did. The books seemed to be printed so far in advance that any comments or criticisms were unlikely to have any effect on the overall storyline.
My memory is a little hazy on this but I seem to remember that Innovation caused a fan some grief by printing her real name instead of her chosen pseudonym and her home address which she wanted withheld.
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Here's the fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page4.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page4.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And note the skipped panel and the skipped dialogue...
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It seems like a torrential rain storm (not Michael related) has knocked out my computer's Interet (I"m on my phone) so I have no idea when the next installment of the comic's slidesvhow will be able to be uploaded. Until then, I suppose we'll enjoy hoDS...
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My connection is finally back and things have been uploaded. But chances are everyone will need to clear their browser's cache to see the comic's graphic/quote. So, if you're not seeing -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1012ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 5 - Swann: '“BUT MY LIFE WAS NOT
TO BE A SIMPLE ONE. AS THE YEARS PASSED, MOST OF MY
FLOCK GREW OLD AND DIED BEFORE THEY HAD PASSED A
CENTURY, BUT MANY DID NOT.' Swann: '“EVEN AMONG
THOSE WHO LIVED LONG, I WAS BLESSED WITH VIGOR.'
- you need to clear the cache...
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Here's the fifth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page5.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page5.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And take note of the skipped dialogue...
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David Campiti reported that Lara Hoffman was drawn in the likeness of Lara Parker, but he didn't mention who inspired the look of Reverend Swann. A friend recently mentioned that he thought it may have been Dennis Patrick. So here is a pic of Swann from p. 5 next to a photo of Dennis; hmmm.
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They really could be twins there.
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That prompted a memory for me from back in the day. Unfortunately, I no longer remember where I heard or read this but, in keeping with Lara Hoffman being modeled after Lara Parker, the likenesses of the Reverend and Vincent Hoffman were going to be based on Louis Edmonds and Jonathan Frid. The actors did not agree to this and the artist went in another direction. Anyone else recall hearing this?
Is it absolutely necessary to get the permission of the person to use them as a character or does that fall under artistic license?
DS fan and comic artist Richard Howell has been using DS references in his artwork for some years now. Some are quite subtle such as gravestones with the names Charity Trask and Alexis Stokes, while others have characters named Kathryn Kringstad and Lara Lamar.
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Here's the sixth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page6.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page6.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And once again take note of the skipped dialogue...
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Once again I'm without Internet on my computer - and because whatever happened took place late last night, I can't have my provider's support check it out until Monday because they don't work weekends. So, tomorrow we'll be left to enjoy tomorrow's installment of the hoDS slideshow...
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Just for the fun of it I just checked my Internet and it's actually working. That's quite a surprise on a weekend - but somehow they must have figured out that something was wrong and they fixed it.
Well, I guess that means everyone will be cheated out of the hoDS installment tomorrow. [hall_sad] [hall_cry]
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Here's the seventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page7.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page7.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And once again take note of the skipped dialogue and a skipped panel...
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Once again I'm without Internet on my computer - and because whatever happened took place late last night, I can't have my provider's support check it out until Monday because they don't work weekends. So, tomorrow we'll be left to enjoy tomorrow's installment of the hoDS slideshow...
While it's certainly nice that it finally worked for you, I kind of liked this initial post. You're so expert in all things computer, that it was rather amazing to find you in a predicament like that, like us "normal" people.
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Unfortunately, I no longer remember where I heard or read this but, in keeping with Lara Hoffman being modeled after Lara Parker, the likenesses of the Reverend and Vincent Hoffman were going to be based on Louis Edmonds and Jonathan Frid. The actors did not agree to this and the artist went in another direction. Anyone else recall hearing this?
I seem to recall hearing it, too. But like you, I don't remember where.
Is it absolutely necessary to get the permission of the person to use them as a character or does that fall under artistic license?
I don't know the legalites, but when they did the Buffy comics Sarah Michelle Geller didn't agree to have her likeness used, so they didn't.
DS fan and comic artist Richard Howell has been using DS references in his artwork for some years now. Some are quite subtle such as gravestones with the names Charity Trask and Alexis Stokes, while others have characters named Kathryn Kringstad and Lara Lamar.
That's very interesting.
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it was rather amazing to find you in a predicament like that
Well, anyone can be a victim of bad timing. I'm just happy things worked out so that whatever the problem was somehow got noticed and repaired must faster than I expected it to be...
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If you have not read Richard Howell's Deadbeats comic, I do highly recommend it. It's a vampire comic, set in New England (Connecticut rather than Maine) and there are TONS of Dark Shadows references. Two of the leading female characters are visually based on Barbara Steele and Joanna Going. In addition to the characters that I mentioned in an earlier post, there are characters named Nicky Blair, Ginny Vestoff and Denny Nickerson, as well as minor characters named Crothers, Briscoe and Curtis. Plots included such DS staples as time travel and parallel time.
Deadbeats was published by a small publisher called Claypool, so issues were often difficult to find. They stopped publishing print books a while ago, though Howell has continued the saga online. There have been a few collected editions and individual issues of the comic can be found on Amazon.
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(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1024ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 8 - Uncle Vincent: 'I'M SO VERY
SORRY JULIA.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1024ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 8 - Aunt Lara: 'WE HAD HOPED
YOU WOULDN'T COME.'
Honestly, how often have both of them already said that?!
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Here's the eighth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page8.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page8.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And once again take note of the skipped dialogue and panels...
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Was there ever any explanation as to why Gregory is so much more articulate than the others, who never seem able to do much more than grunt and repeat selected phrases like a mynah bird?
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Was there ever any explanation as to why Gregory is so much more articulate than the others, who never seem able to do much more than grunt and repeat selected phrases like a mynah bird?
That's an excellent question - but I don't believe they ever give an answer. [ghost_wacko]
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Here's the ninth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page9.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page9.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And take note of the skipped dialogue and the panel depicting Willie's arrival...
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That's not the most flattering depiction of the Barbara Steele Julia. It reminds of Sinead O'Connor or whatever name she goes by now.
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Joe Certa's attempts at drawing Julia in the old Gold Key comics often looked like Paul Lynde in a bad wig and worse earrings.
G.
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Internet is acting up again. This has gotten ridiculous so I'm looking into switching providers. Hopefully I can find a good deal and things will get back to normal sooner rather than later. Until then we may be seeing the hoDS slideshow...
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Yes - Julia looked horrendous in the Gold Key comics! ::)
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MB, I am so sorry about the problems with your ISP. I hope you are able to find a solution soon.
On the other hand, what a treat to see a lovely photo of Professor Stokes reading Barnabas the riot act today!
cheers, Gothick
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Yes, I love that hoDS scene.
On the Internet front today I found a great deal but it won't be up and running until Saturday morning. But considering it's better than what I had, I can wait that long, especially considering I do have access with my phone (just not access to all the things I can do with my computer).
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I'm back. But I have to confess that I goofed off while I was without a provider, so I need to pick out quotes and format the images for the slideshow before I can upload/post them. So that probably won't get done until sometime this afternoon...
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Here are the missed quotes/captures for November 1st and November 2nd:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1101ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 10 - Gregory: 'NOT ONCE HAVE YOU
PASSED ME BY WITHOUT LOOKING AWAY AND SHUNNING ME.'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1102ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 10 - Gregory: 'BUT YOUR CONTEMPT
FOR US IS MATCHED BY OUR HATRED OF YOU! TONIGHT YOU
WILL SUFFER FOR ALL THOSE YEARS OF--'
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And here are the quotes/captures for November 3rd for anyone who missed them:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1103ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 10 - Willie: 'SHUT UP! SHUT UP!'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1103ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 10 - Gregory: 'WHUUUF!'
And yet more sounds added to the list. [hall2_wink]
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Here's the tenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page10.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page10.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note the skipped dialogue...
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If only Willie had gotten Gregory to shut up a few pages earlier! [hall2_smiley]
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If only!!
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Here's the eleventh page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page11.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page11.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note the skipped dialogue and panels. In fact, more were skipped than used...
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These two quotes -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1105ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 11 - Gregory: 'WHOEVER YOU--
UNNGH!--ARE, YOU'RE A DEAD MAN!'
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1107ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 12 - Gregory: 'UNGGH!'
- definitely pose the question of just how differently are "UNNGH" and "UNGGH" pronounced? [hall2_wink]
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LOL!!! [hall2_grin] [hall2_grin]
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Here's the twelveth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page12.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page12.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And again note the skipped dialogue and panels...
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It looks like Gregory is in need of a massive dose of Visine. [hall2_rolleyes] [hall2_rolleyes] [hall2_rolleyes]
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[pointing-up] He sure does!! [rofl10]
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Here's the thirteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page13.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page13.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And once again note the skipped dialogue and panels...
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Here's the fourteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page14.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page14.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And as ever, note the skipped dialogue and panels...
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Here's the fifteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page15.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page15.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note more skipped dialogue and panels...
It's interesting that on Page 12 Julia says she going to attend to Willie, yet we never actually see her do any such thing. [hall2_undecided] All we actually see is her thinking "You poor thing" with regard to Willie. Though that's a hell of a lot more sympathy for Willie's condition than Willie gets from Barnabas. Of course, Barnabas being Barnabas, no matter what version of DS, he pays little attention to Willie's condition and orders Willie to fetch his cane. [hall2_rolleyes]
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Here's the sixteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page16.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page16.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note yet more skipped dialogue and panels...
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Quietly jam a log?
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Well, Uncle Roger, it's possible the munchkin congregants inside might've been distracted while watching one of those jumbotrons while joining the choir in a loud rendition of Halleluia! The noise would've drowned out the jamming of the log.
Gerard
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Here's the seventeenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page17.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page17.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And as usual there's a bit of skipped dialogue...
And we can also see what's going on in the barn. I don't see one of those jumbotrons. But then it may simply be out of view. Though, do they have or even allow electricity in Barrettstown?
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MB, are you serious? No jumbotrom? Have you no faith? I'm going to have the good reverend go and have a talk with you! At the very least, you won't be able to join the potluck after services are done!
Gerard (PS - also no bingo on Wednesday nights for you! - only Midnite will get a chance at winning that afghan)
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Here's the eighteenth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page18.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page18.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And there's even more skipped dialogue and a skipped panel...
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And here's the nineteenth page -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page19.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page19.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
- which certainly helps to explain what Barnabas is doing in today's capture from Page 20, and which is completely skipped in the slideshow because there's no dialogue on it...
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Speaking of today's capture, pay close attention to the area of the top right corner because otherwise you might miss something that will have importance shortly down the road...
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Here's the twentieth page a bit earlier than usual -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page20.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page20.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
- because, beyond some skipped dialogue and panels, it also contains some pertinent info that never came up in the slideshow and which relates to tomorrow's slideshow...
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When it comes to today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1211ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 21 - Julia: 'SWANN SAID THAT I WAS THE
FIRST OF THE DESCENDANTS TO BE CALLED BACK TO BARRETTSTOWN.'
Julia: 'I WONDER HOW MANY MORE ARE OUT THERE, IN POSITIONS OF
POWER ALL OVER THE WORLD. I WONDER HOW THE CONDITIONS THAT
SHAPED THEM IN BARRETTSTWON AFFECT THEIR JUDGEMENT IN THIS
WORLD.'
- we may have gotten off lucky with Innovation folding because it meant we never had to deal with any other "DESCENDANTS TO BE CALLED BACK TO BARRETTSTOWN" - and apparently at some point Julia finally found time to see to Willie because he actually has a bandage on his forehead...
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Maybe Willie just got tired of waiting for her and did it himself.
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In my humble opinion, that was one of the weirdest and most uninteresting plot lines. I feel like I just watched that made-for-TV version of The Mist again. I don't know why I kept watching it like a train-wreck; I don't know I continued to follow this story like a train-wreck.
Gerard
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Thankfully we've just about seen the last of Barrettstown, and what will develop with regard to Collinwood will take an interesting turn...
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Here's the twenty-first page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page21.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page21.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
And again note the skipped dialogue and panel...
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We need to backtrack a bit to deal with some things I missed posting about:
First up, SG #63 from January 1993 shared a not fully completed version of Page 20:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_5_1.jpg)
As I'd mentioned before, SG 62 mostly shared artwork for Book 2, Issue 1 and didn't share a lot of stuff for Book 1, Issue 4 until SG 63. I'm sure they had their reasons, whatever they may have been. But anyway, I was thinking that the first page of artwork SG 63 shared from Book 1, Issue 4 was Page 24 - but I got a surprise when I went to scan SG 63 last night and found this from Page 20. Oops! [santa_embarassed]
It's odd that they cut off quite a bit of the right side of the page...
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Here's the twenty-second page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page22.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page22.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And, of course, note the skipped dialogue and panels...
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There's some dialogue from Lara Hoffman that seems to hint at an earlier relationship of some kind with Barnabas. He seems to have a vague memory of an earlier encounter with her but Lara neither confirms it or denies it. Was this meant as foreshadowing of whatever project that Lara Parker was supposed to do for Innovation?
Also, her throwaway line about child, what have you done has always puzzled me. The logical assumption is that she's referring to Julia. She is, after all, Julia's aunt. (Or, in a soap opera twist, could she possibly be Julia's mother? Probably not but it would make a nice parallel to the Elizabeth/Vicki connection.) I remember hearing discussion that Lara Hoffman was supposed to have some connection to Angelique but the character is really not developed enough to give the idea any credibility.
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When it comes to December 19th's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1219ds91_1.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 23/Flashback - Barnabas: 'I AM INDEED,
ANGELIQUE. YOU AND BEN DID WELL IN FINDING THIS MAN. NOW...
CHECK WITH THE CONTESSE AND WITH NAOMI. THEY WOULD
APPRECIATE YOUR PREPARING FOR MISS PHYLLIS WICKE'S IMMENENT
ARRIVAL--' Barnabas: '“--AS TUTOR FOR YOUNG DANIEL.”'
- once again Book 1 would have benefited from a proof reader because "IMMINENT" is spelled incorrectly as "IMMENENT". ::)
Plus it's a bit odd that Barnabas refers to making plans for Phyllis Wicke's arrival "AS TUTOR FOR YOUNG DANIEL" when she would be serving as Daniel's sister Sarah's tutor as well. [hdscrt] And add to that that both Daniel and Sarah are Barnabas' own siblings in this version and it's even odder...
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And today's quote -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1221ds91_0.jpg)
Book One/Issue Four/Page 23/Flashback - Angelique: 'MON CHER, YOU
WILL REMEMBER OUR LOVE AND SCORN THE SPOILED, PAMPERED
JOSETTE...' Angelique: '...OR THE CURSE I HAVE PUT ON THIS OBJECT
OF YOUR OBSESSION WILL AFFECT YOU AND YOUR DESCENDENTS TILL
THE END OF TIME--'
- is yet another example of how Book 1 would have benefited from a proof reader because "DESCENDANTS" is spelled incorrectly as "DESCENDENTS". ::)
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Here's the twenty-third page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page23.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page23.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
Note the one skipped bit of dialogue.
And you've got to love those demons who are apparently at Angelique's call when she places a curse...
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Here's the twenty-fourth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page24.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page24.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note the skipped drawings and their accompanying dialogue taken from the show...
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And SG #63 shared a not fully completed version of Page 24:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_5_2.jpg)
And again part of the page is cut off - but also another section of the page shows more than what's in the comic (in particular, notice the music notes)...
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I forgot to mention that Book 1, Issues 1-3 all ended with Page 24, but obviously Issue 4 is going to take more pages to wrap up the story...
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Here's the twenty-fifth page:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page25.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page25.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And again note the skipped drawing and its accompanying dialogue taken from the show...
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Here's the twenty-sixth page a bit early because we have a lot of things to deal with over the next few days:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page26.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page26.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And unlike recent pages, the slideshow has showcased everything on this page...
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And SG #63 shared a not fully completed version of Page 26:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_4_2.jpg)
And again this one shows more than the actual page in the comic does...
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Here's what SG #63 from January 1993 had to say mostly about Book 1, Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_4_1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_4_4.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_4_6.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_5_3.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_5_6.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/SG_63_5_7.jpg)
A couple interesting things that David Campiti claims:
He says that when Vicki returns from the past she would realize that the present day Barnabas (actually Barnabas in 1991 by then, not 1990) is the same Barnabas who stalked Cillinsport as a vampire in 1790. However, according to all that's been shared about the '91 DS' actual projections for a Season 2, Vicki would not actually recall that fact because, as was the case with the original show, her memories of her experiences in the past would be vague. So, if the comics had gone down the road of Vicki actually remembering, they would have deviated from what we would have seen had the show done its own Season 2. Though Innovation went out of business before ever getting to Book 4 so the subject is moot.
And while Campiti's notion that at some point a Loomis married into the Collins family might be intriguing, I'm not so sure I buy it. But of course, for his idea for how Angelique cursed Josette's music box and how reincarnation plays a part in it to work, Willie would need to be related to the Collinses in some way, whether that makes any sense or not. And his claim that he leaves it up to readers to interpret whether or not it's reincarnation is disingenuous because right on Page 26 Angelique says as part of her curse: "If it takes a thousand years or as many reincarnations" - so I don't see how that isn't specifically stating reincarnation is actually involved.
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Here's the twenty-seventh and last story page for Book 1:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page27.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_Page27.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And note the bit of skipped dialogue...
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As I've already shared back in replies #405, #407, and #415, Pages 28 - 30 of Issue #4 are the letters column. Pages 31 and 32 are the same ads for the watches and the posters, respectively. So that brings us up to the back inside cover of Issue #4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_BackInCov.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_BackInCov.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version)
Obviously this time around it was mostly being used as a promotion for the 10th Anniversary Fest (though apparently no dates had been decided or at least announced yet). Interestingly enough, several of the '91 DS stars attended that Fest...
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I wonder if the last panel was meant to imply a potential sequel to this story. Was the green background meant to suggest some sort of connection to Angelique or just generic demonic coloring?
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And here's the back cover of Book 1, Issue 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_BackCover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue4_BackCover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
And that concludes everything about Book 1, Issue 4, as well as all of Book 1...
As you can see, Roger has been dropped and replaced by Vicki.
And the '91 Series' tag line "A Love Story Beyond Time..." continues as part of the back cover despite the fact that the Vicki portion of the love story is basically nowhere in evidence in Issue 4 except for Page 26's indication that Vicki is Josette's reincarnation. Makes one wonder, if appearing on that page is all it took for Vicki to return to the back cover, then Roger, Liz and/or Carolyn, all of whom also appear on Page 26, could have just as easily returned to the back cover as well...
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I wonder if the last panel was meant to imply a potential sequel to this story. Was the green background meant to suggest some sort of connection to Angelique or just generic demonic coloring?
I took it as simply generic coloring. But knowing how Mr. Campiti seemed to think, who really knows for sure? We'll never know for sure, but given how high he was on his Barrettstown story, I'm pretty sure that if the comic series had continued, we would have seen some sort of Barrettstown sequel. One reason the folding of Innovation might have been a blessing in disguise...
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While I was looking for Jose Pimentel artwork I came across E. Silas Smith's artwork for Book 1, Issue 1's cover but -
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(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/Book1_Issue1_Cover.jpg) for a 1328X1996 version (without any of the artifacts that the forum's system created when downsizing the image))
...
- without any of the writing on it:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1_1_Cover.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/1_1_Cover.jpg) for a downloadable version)
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The first of a series of ads that were included in the '92 LA Fest Mailing:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer001.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer001.jpg) for a 1700X1258 version)
Interesting that this ad lists preordering by October 15th of '92, whereas the back cover of Book 1, Issue 2 (mailed July of '92) lists August 1st (though that release date was removed from the back cover ad for Issue 3, which mailed in October of '92).
Also, for the longest time the photo of Barnabas and Victoria wasn't available elsewhere. However, it was published on page 120 of the Return To Collinwood Pompress book.
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The second of a series of ads:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer002.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer002.jpg) for a 1432X1034 version)
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The third of a series of ads:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer003.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer003.jpg) for a 1700X2194 version)
"Witness the stories NBC will never show!" - Well, I can't even begin to imagine that anyone at NBC would have ever signed off on the Barrettstown plot, so there's one big reason right there why NBC would have never shown it!! [ghost_wink]
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[laughing4] [stfl]
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Be grateful for small favors, I suppose. I don't think that NBC would have approved of much of the stuff that Innovation seemed to find so vitally important. That subplot about the origin of the music box took up a lot of space and really added nothing to the overall story.
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The fourth and last of a series of ads to share here:
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer004.jpg)
(Click here (http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer004.jpg) for a 1432X1034 version)
It's very close to the version posted in reply #139 except for the Collinwood background (which makes some of the text very hard to read) and the watches are arranged slightly differently.
Also, this has no relation to the comics or the '91 series, but I thought I'd share that for some reason the Fest gave out these -
(http://www.dsboards.com/91book1quoteimages/92FestFlyer005.jpg)
- in the mailing. I had completely forgotten I'd received one...
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Be grateful for small favors, I suppose. I don't think that NBC would have approved of much of the stuff that Innovation seemed to find so vitally important. That subplot about the origin of the music box took up a lot of space and really added nothing to the overall story.
I couldn't agree more. Though even though it added nothing, at least in the case of the music box subplot it was something I could have seen actually taking place on the show. Barrettstown - no way!! [noway]