DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '04 II => Topic started by: DStoDA on December 12, 2004, 04:11:13 PM
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I am announcing my next major project.
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which begins January 1st and ends January 31st. Expect more details soon.
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Looking forward to it, DStoDA!
Just curious-- did you want it to appear on this day on the calendar, or Jan. 1st?
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january 1st. I guess i missed it or something.
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i'm very intrigued...and love the advertising.is miss victoria winters a "presenter" or a "nominee"?
who's gown will she wear? i see vicki in a classy but conservative look...maybe oscar de la renta.nothing too risque'.and a tasteful scattering of dark-toned jewels would play off her black hair beautifully. [tngb]
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i'm very intrigued...and love the advertising.is miss victoria winters a "presenter" or a "nominee"?
who's gown will she wear? i see vicki in a classy but conservative look...maybe oscar de la renta.nothing too risque'.and a tasteful scattering of dark-toned jewels would play off her black hair beautifully. [tngb]
Expect Alexandra Moltke to be a nominee for Best Lead Actress. Nominees will be presented in a way where you guys can vote.
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january 1st. I guess i missed it or something.
No problem. This topic is now linked to Jan. 1. [santa_smiley]
BTW, to any cousin posting this month to a 2005 event, don't forget to change the year.
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I would think the choice with actresses for Lead and/or Supporting is gonna be hard in some instances. . for example. . Joan Bennett was the Top dog but story wise aside from a few brief spots (Jason/Liz). .she was a supporting character (even with Judith--i know) and Grayson might've seemed a supporting character as Dr Hoffman but objectively I think she was really a Lead actress as was Lara Parker--centrally tied to the plot--knower of most, if not all, secrets. . .wonder how the Emmy board decides or does it just go with what the producers themselves submit?? Alexandra is hard again. .certainly for 1795 I think she is Lead but otherwise a supporting actress. .then there is KLS--is she Lead in 1795, PT? But supporting otherwise?
Perhaps DSA is gonna split this into "eras"?? [8_2_77]
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every story "highlights" certain characters...i haven't seen the show all the way through but the actresses i can see as "lead" are alexandra,joan,grayson,lara and kathryn(appolagies to nancy).
harder will be "lead" actor...since we all know who was "top dog" here...mitch ryan for the first year and david selby later but otherwise everyone else "supported" jonathan frid. [tngb]
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Just from seeing how meticulously thought out his wonderful DS promos are ([thumb]), something tells me DStoDA already has a perfect plan in mind to decide which actors he'll place in each category. But just by way of an example, back in the late 90s when AOL's now defunct DARK SHADOWS ONLINE held its DS version of The Oscars (The Brandies [wink2]), we used the same type of decision making procedure as the real Oscars. We held a preliminary voting round, and then the top three vote getters in each of our categories went on to the final vote (with the final results announced by our lovely online hostess, Diana Millay).
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I'd love to see David Selby getting an award.....
Love Anne ( YUMMY)! [44] [8341]
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I've pretty much decided that the awards cermonies are going to be broken up into seperate eras. The First DS Emmys will involve everything pre Barnabas. I was originally, i was gonna have a seperate award ceremony for Laura's phoenix storyline. But I have realized that I want to make as few of these as possible if I ever want to get to the end. So here is the official order
1st DS Emmys
The arrival of Vicki - end of Laura
2nd DS Emmys
Arrival of Barnabas/ Liz and Jason
3rd DS Emmys
1795
4th DS Emmys
Adam & the Dream Curse
5th DS emmys
Werewolves/ Haunting of Quentin/ 1897
6th DS emmys
Leviathans
7th DS emmys
1970 PT
8th DS emmys
1995/haunting of gerard/1840
9th
1841 PT
So the 1st DS emmys in January will only involve everything pre Barnabas. Originally, I was going to have a nomination commitee with Gothick and a few other people. But, now that someone mentioned pre noms, i think thats how I might do it.
This is not official, but this is how I might do it.
Jan 1st-8th - Prenominations. Every actor included in the storyline, requiring that they played a significant part, will be on the ballot. Most people will fall under the Supporting Categories while a few will fall under lead. People will vote for their favorite 3 performers in each category. (Though Lead categories might not need Prenoms) Other categories such as best couple or duo, best cliffhanger, best storyline etc will also be presented.
Jan 13-27 - nominations revealed and voting begins. there will be 3 nominees for each award. Video presentations will be available to help you vote for the best nominee.
Jan 31 - Emmy night - Winners are revealed.
I will have the official guidelines up on my sight soon. I will probably need help from anyone who can send me some video clips for nominations. I dont have any episodes from this time period except for 2 episodes.
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it sounds awsome DStoDA.i can't wait.
i am somewhat surprised to see the leviathan story up as a category.i havn't seen it yet but everyone says it's the worst! [lpsldg]
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it sounds awsome DStoDA.i can't wait.
i am somewhat surprised to see the leviathan story up as a category.i havn't seen it yet but everyone says it's the worst! [lpsldg]
It isnt a category. Its gonna have its own award show some months from now. Before I watched the Leviathans, I was hearing all these horrible things about it and how it was the worst thing ever. etc etc. But when I watched it, I thought that it really wasnt that bad. It was better than I had expected. Personally, I think the Adam storyline was worst major storyline. But the worst storyline out of all was that whole cyrus & Sabrina stuff. Thats was the first time that I had ever ff episodes of DS. I dont think I even watched all those episodes because they were so terrible.
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i'll second that the adam story is dreadful...i wasn't going to bring it up since i've bitched about it so much before.i sort of stopped actively watching for awhile because it irritated me so much but i just ordered new tapes and am determined to get through it.cassandra is the only character during this story that consistently put in good work.everyone else either over or under acts.i'll be curious to see how the nominations for this story go. [tngb]
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these are the categories
Outstanding Lead Actor
Ouststanding Lead Actress
Ouststanding Supporting Actor
Outstanding Supporting Actress
Outstanding Romantic Couple
Outstanding Duo (non-romantic)
Oustanding Cliffhanger
Outstanding Story (within the main storyline)
Any other suggestions for categories?
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Here are some!
Outstanding Special/Visual Effects
Outstanding Cinematography
Outstanding Set Design
Outstanding Musical Composition
Outstanding Sound Effects
Outstanding Costume Design (Make sure to nominate Julia's lime-green woolen suit which she wore for two weeks in 1995, never once changing it and obviously even sleeping in it - if it won, it could walk up onto the stage by itself for the award.)
Of course, if we want to be true to our beloved DS, we can have an Outstanding Blooper category!
Gerard
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It may take a bit of work, but I know some here think very highly of certain directors and writers. Perhaps a particular episode could be attributed to it's corresponding writer and/or director, in an outstanding director and writer category?
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DS to DA,
this is all very exciting! and I just love the Xmas video you did--lovely and heartwarming. (I didn't see a separate topic for it here.)
Thank you for the RESPECT you are giving to the Leviathans storyline. However, regardless of what people think of it, it covered roughly 4 months of the show, so one couldn't very well omit it altogether! (It ties with Cassandra's storyline for my personal favorite DS story.)
Just as a sidenote, I don't think any one storyline was uniformly brilliant or dreadful. Robert Rodan and Marie Wallace both had some wonderful moments in the Adam and Eve stories. As for Cyrus and Sabrina, I blame bad writing plus the fact that there was really no chem between Pennock and Richards--the latter seems to have done better with Briscoe.
You deserve a gold star for featuring romantic scenes with R Davis in your Xmas video in such a tender way that I did NOT find myself tossing my cookies! Way to go!
Gothique
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Of course, if we want to be true to our beloved DS, we can have an Outstanding Blooper category!
I like this idea and then we could nominate some of the best bloopers for each story line! As for some of the other items you mention, I think it would be hard to narrow it down to one music composer. There is Robert Cobert, Robert Cobert and Mozart's "Eine Kline Nachtmusik" as well as the "Fantasy and Fugue in F minor". Oh yes, and Robert Cobert.
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Just from seeing how meticulously thought out his wonderful DS promos are ([thumb]), something tells me DStoDA already has a perfect plan in mind to decide which actors he'll place in each category. But just by way of an example, back in the late 90s when AOL's now defunct DARK SHADOWS ONLINE held its DS version of The Oscars (The Brandies [wink2]), we used the same type of decision making procedure as the real Oscars. We held a preliminary voting round, and then the top three vote getters in each of our categories went on to the final vote (with the final results announced by our lovely online hostess, Diana Millay).
hi micheal haven't heard from you too much lately have you been hiding in the shadows?Merry christmas [8_2_73]
jennife
hey love awards [8_2_59]
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As a reaction to the constant battle I have to fight in my messagebook, I have decided to limit the devotion that I give to my site. Which means that I wont have a seperate awards show for each storyline. I will just have one big ceremony and only one. I decided to take out supporting actor and actress categories and have Best actor and best actress. Here are categories so far.
Outstanding Actor
Outstanding Actress
Outstanding Continuing Story (storyline)
Outstanding Achievement in Directing
Outstanding achievement in Writing
Outstanding Romantic Couple
Outstanding Duo (non-romantic)
Outstanding Cliffhanger
Outstanding Blooper
Outstanding Achievement in Costume Design
Outstanding Achievement in Musical Composition
Outstanding Achievement in Set Design
Prenominations will be out on jan 1st.
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DS to DA,
so sorry you are still dealing with TROLLS out there in Webland! You should just tell them ALL where to stuff it!
You do wonderful work, and are a young man of such talent, integrity, and promise! Don't let those who lack a life get you down!
your fan,
Gothique
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i'll second that DS to DA.i can assure you that everyone here loves your work!i look foreward to each new promo.
i'm sorry to hear that you're being harrased in your message book.d.s. fans can be opinionated and things can quickly spiral out of control.i look at this site as a "safe-haven" from some of the bickering seen elsewhere.everyone is always on thier best behavior here and that's why it's such a nice place.
you sound disappointed but keep up the great work on your site.i'm still greatly looking foreward to your "emmy's". [smlyg] [smlyg] [smlyg]
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I NEED HELP!!! Im doing the prenominations right now and I dont know if I should put Julia & Barnabas in the Romantic category of or the Duo (nonromantic) category
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Hmmm...
Well, romantic feelings don't necessarily have to visibly reciprocal or even overtly acted on for there to be romantic chemisrtry. Julia certainly has romantic feelings for Barn - and though he practically denies it until he's blue in the face, there are definitely moments in the series in which it becomes quite obvious (to the audience, anyway) that Barn certainly has feelings for Julia. So, I'd say they're definitely more of a romantic duo than simply a plain duo...
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also, any suggestions for your favorite cliffhangers?
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also, any suggestions for your favorite cliffhangers?
Oh sure. Some of my personal favorites are when Julia hears mysterious footsteps coming from the stairway through time (1840), Alexis and Quentin are dumbfounded by what they find in Angelique's coffin (1970 PT), and the ever-popular maniacally laughing Quentin after the family abandons Collinwood (1969).
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Well, one of the most intense cliffhangers that I remember from the old days was in PT 1970 when we saw Barnabas and Maggie leaving a deserted Collinwood and locking the doors, as the camera panned down to a hungry, exhausted Julia, left "to rot" by the former Mrs. Quentin Collins. That was one of the infamous Friday afternoon cliffhangers; I remember that was one long weekend.
Another great one is when Maggie has grabbed a spike and is about to drive it through Barnabas' heart when suddenly he sits up in his coffin and bares his fangs. That's just such a great moment. I think that may have been another Friday cliffhanger.
I'm sure there are many, many more we could discuss. What a great topic!
My vote is B & J in the Romantic couple category. In a reckless moment over a decade ago, I wrote that Barnabas' redemption through Julia's love is THE THEME of Dark Shadows.
New Year's goodies to all,
G.
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I don't see Julia & Barn as romantic in any way, shape, or form. To me, romantic, implies sensuality of some kind, the kind that would, if allowed to run it's course, would lead to sexual relations, and it wasn't there, IMHO, with Julia and Barnabas. Julia perhaps (or definitely, actually, lol), but not Barnabas. And we're talking duo here, not solo. I'd place them in a non-romantic duo catagory.
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how about bloopers?
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I don't see Barnabas and Julia as a romantic couple either, so I would classify them as a duo.
As for bloopers, my favorites include Bathia Mapes, ("Go to the house of the curse") Louis Edmonds's two notorious gaffes, ("It was 100 miles--seemed like 100 miles--100 feet." and "My incestors are buried here.") and the windowshade falling down in Charles Delaware Tate's studio. However, I think it would be hard to vote with both verbal and physical bloopers in the same category; would it be asking too much to have separate categories for prop gaffes and spoken bloopers?
ProfStokes
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i'm not sure if this qualifies as a "cliff-hanger" but the moment during the 1795 seance when the "present day" characters froze(ignore the microphone in the shot)and the next image is of vicki standing outside the old house(in 1795)was genius.i still get goosebumps when i think of it.
if this was a friday episode i certainly would have tuned in on monday to see what was going on.
i don't really see julia and barnabas as "romantic" despite the fact that julia is obviously smitten with him.i'd place them in the non-romantic duo category.
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There's a fairly short list of the bloopers most DS fans cite when the topic comes up. Some of the ones that come to mind:
Roger's line about his "incestors" being buried in the Eagle Hill mausoleum
An undertaker arriving at Collinwood and asking to see "Mr. Jonathan."
Jonathan Frid walking through the foyer while the closing credits play, carrying his costume over one shoulder.
A stagehand scuttling out of sight as Barnabas and Angelique carry on a heated conversation in the Secret Room.
There's lots more. I am convinced that in one episode from 1897, Edward's moustache fell off while he and Quentin were arguing. I really wish they had left that one in. There's a definite cut on the tape.
Since you're a fan of Grayson Hall, I hope you've been able to see the "blooper" that went out on a local feed of her and Jerry Lacy starting a scene (in 1967) and being told "cut" by the Director. And Grayson imperiously demands: "WHY?" (I believe an important prop was missing for the scene.)
G.
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The fly (in any scene).
dom
Unless it was a moth that the Reverend Trask inhaled and then spit out during one of his rantings in the woods - without missing a beat, I might add. Then it would be "the moth", lol. That is my all-time favorite blooper moment in the series.
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are you for sure he inhaled a moth?
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a great blooper took place during the show's first months.
there is a scene at the diner...maggie is talking to someone(forget who)and roger is shortly to enter.apparently louis edmonds thought this was off-camera because he is outside the diner's(curtained)doors doing some sort of "warm-up" dance for the scene.sort of a "dance-like-a-moth" type deal.
i can't believe this made it to air. [rleyeg]
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are you for sure he inhaled a moth?
No.
It could have been a fly, and it could have flown into his mouth as opposed to being inhaled.
Something flew or was inhaled into his mouth and he spit it out, while he ranted on as if performing an exorcism, in the woods outside the Old House. I won't be able to confirm "fly" or "moth", "inhaled" or "flew". I don't have the footage with me to watch.
Perhaps another forum member con confirm nay or yay.
Just what you needed at crunch time, eh? Sorry 'bout that.
dom (Looking forward to the DS Emmy Awards!)
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Im finished. I was able to use most of your suggestions, but not all. For the couples and duo, there are a lot of quentin and Barnabas ones.
In the end, Julia and Barnabas were classified as non romantic. Go to my main site in 5 minutes.
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a great blooper took place during the show's first months.
there is a scene at the diner...maggie is talking to someone(forget who)and roger is shortly to enter.apparently louis edmonds thought this was off-camera because he is outside the diner's(curtained)doors doing some sort of "warm-up" dance for the scene.sort of a "dance-like-a-moth" type deal.
i can't believe this made it to air. [rleyeg]
Was that Louis Edmonds or was it Joel Crothers? The scene is on the Bloopers tape.
Gerard
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a great blooper took place during the show's first months.
there is a scene at the diner...maggie is talking to someone(forget who)and roger is shortly to enter.apparently louis edmonds thought this was off-camera because he is outside the diner's(curtained)doors doing some sort of "warm-up" dance for the scene.sort of a "dance-like-a-moth" type deal.
i can't believe this made it to air. [rleyeg]
Was that Louis Edmonds or was it Joel Crothers? The scene is on the Bloopers tape.
Gerard
AHHH, someone please confirm who it is !!!
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Well, one of the most intense cliffhangers that I remember from the old days was in PT 1970 when we saw Barnabas and Maggie leaving a deserted Collinwood and locking the doors, as the camera panned down to a hungry, exhausted Julia, left "to rot" by the former Mrs. Quentin Collins.
That was probably the one that had me most on the edge of my seat. Back then we had no idea when an actor was in danger of being dropped from their soap. And on DS in particular it wasn't unheard of to kill off a popular character. Even if the actor wasn't dropped, their character could be, and then they might show up down the line as another character. I remember really sweating it out that Julia might actually die.
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In the end, Julia and Barnabas were classified as non romantic. Go to my main site in 5 minutes.
Boy, what a tough crowd we have on here tonight - or possibly they're just not romantics. ;)
Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's what makes the discussions on these boards so much fun. Be that as it may, though, I could produce dozens of letters to the various fan magazines from people who definitely saw Barn and Julia as a romantic couple, and who, in fact, continued to watch DS with the one hope that they would eventually get together. (And by 1970 some even threatened to never to watch the show again when it looked like that was never going to happen.) But soaps often have two interesting ways to set up their couples. One is too make them bitter enemies and then to bring them together with the realization that they've always loved each other (as DS did with Barn and Angelique), and the other is to drag out a supposedly unrequitted love for a really long time until the clueless partner (that being Barn in this case) finally realizes his/her love. DS never got to that point with Julia/Barn before it ended - but it certainly played Julia's feelings for Barn for all they were worth. As they say, love needs its martyrs, Julia was nothing if not that, and martyrdom in love is one of the tried and true ways for a soap to build its audience. But I have no doubt that if DS had continued past the point that it did, Julia and Barn would have eventually ended up as a real couple at some point. As to whether or not they would have lasted as a couple, well, does ANY soap couple have that sort of a guarantee?! [b003]
All that being said, though, after looking over the nominations, I think Julia and Barn have a much better chance of being selected as favorite non-romantic duo, so it might be for the best to have put them there. After all, what might be considered a lead performance is often submitted in the supporting category because the actors/studios feel they have a much better chance of winning there...
And BTW, I've moved this topic over to Current Talk because it's evolved way beyond a simple Web site announcement and is crossing more and more into storyline discussions...
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I hope you didnt mind that I made a new topic to announce the Prenominations in the calendar events forum.
and yea, I really did want julia and Barnabas in the Romantic category. But since they were never official, i made the choice to put them in "duo." If only ABC gave the show a few more months. If they decided to end the show on Jun 27 1971, they could have gone back to 1971 after 1841 PT and cleared up so many loose ends such as Barnabas and Julia and Victoria being Elizabeth's daughter. They would have been able to really give the show a proper ending.
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I hope you didnt mind that I made a new topic to announce the Prenominations in the calendar events forum.
Oh, not at all! That's exactly what you should have done. [santa_smiley]
If anything, I'm as responsible as anyone, if not more responsible than anyone for turning this topic into a storyline discussion. [b003]
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Boy, what a tough crowd we have on here tonight - or possibly they're just not romantics. ;)
Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's what makes the discussions on these boards so much fun. Be that as it may, though, I could produce dozens of letters to the various fan magazines from people who definitely saw Barn and Julia as a romantic couple, and who, in fact, continued to watch DS with the one hope that they would eventually get together.[b003]
{blows whistle} Time out... LOL
For whatever it's worth, I just wanted to add my odd three odd cents and say that I completely agree with what MB and Steve...er..Gothick said. ;) I think that Julia's heart's desire was Barnabas and in the end, given the right circumstances, they would've ended up together {now, that's not to say that Julia wouldn't of had any *other* relationships or whatnot, just that I believe that her heart belonged to that complex and thick skulled character and that's who she should've ended up with (okay, maybe after a little slapp slap there [13], or a few heart-to-heart wrenching scenes there...) >:D Barnabas too - I mean, the more the series goes on, the more there are subtle signs as to their true feelings for one another. The infamous "Never without You" and "I am that devoted to her..." quotes, etc. Now, everyone interprets things differently and that perfectly fine - like Emeril says - won't hurt my feelings (well, not too much - chortle)... but ya know, we're a big happy family here, right kids? It's allllllllright darlings {big group hug}}
Besides, like one of my bestest buds on another list likes to say: B + J + smut = good. Phht...Nuff said... LOL [91a2] [banana]
Anyhoo - since they weren't an officially declared couple on the show, I'm okay with the nominations too (afterall, there's still fanfic - evil cackle). Good work, DS to DA - may the best man, woman or couple/pair win - looking forward to the emmys! [santa_kiss]
-Heather
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B and J were a romantic duo in the same way as many soap couples. Who could forget Dr. Hardy and faithful Nurse Jesse? They were never an official couple either but you could never think of one without the other. Cue organ music. (Does anybody remember the organ music cues of General Hospital and could you just imagine what DS would have sounded like with such hokey music cues).
P.S. Heather, I love the dancing banana you used in your post. [santa_grin]
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I think that B& J were more romantic or in love than most of those couples in the Romantic category or even on the show. Their love for one another was so raw and real compared to the other forced pairings. Its truly sad that they never got to share their feelings for one another.
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Who could forget Dr. Hardy and faithful Nurse Jesse? They were never an official couple either but you could never think of one without the other. Cue organ music. (Does anybody remember the organ music cues of General Hospital and could you just imagine what DS would have sounded like with such hokey music cues).
I actually saw a January 1966 black & white episode of "General Hospital" on video, and you are so right about the music cues - heavy banging on the piano whenever something shocking occurred (in this episode, Audrey is having a fling with Jessie's ex-husband Phil, and Steve Hardy and Jessie are both suspicious). Loved those two. Jessie was kind of Julia-esque in her longing looks at Dr. Hardy.