DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '04 I => Topic started by: jimbo on April 01, 2004, 12:02:02 AM
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It appears that Angel will continue. See:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=6507 (http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=6507)
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Hmmmmm... it doesn't sound very promising to me. The comment about the Angel 'universe' is very telling, I think.
I dunno - that sounds more to me like the writers will be sneaking in references in the show in their new projects than any return of "Angel" as its fans know it.
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You are probably right. My guess is that Angel will continue via tele-movies most likely on the WB. I am just blown away how much anti- Dark Shadows messages are being posted by Angel fans especially on the WB discussion boards. It is just not fair to us.
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I had to check this out for myself after seeing your comment. It's really too bad -- many of these kids feel that "their" show has been yanked in order to be replaced by DS, which they view as a dinosaur. I wonder if their threatened boycott will have an impact -- they are the constituency the WB aims for, from what we're told -- not us older DS fans.
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I am just blown away how much anti- Dark Shadows messages are being posted by Angel fans especially on the WB discussion boards. It is just not fair to us.
Fairness on most Internet message boards. Now there's a concept. But the reality is that, for the most part, there's no such thing. :(
I wonder if their threatened boycott will have an impact
Well, first they'd have to follow through with it. But even if they do, unless there's a Nielsen ratings box in their household, it won't matter one iota. [b003]
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I wonder if their threatened boycott will have an impact -- they are the constituency the WB aims for, from what we're told -- not us older DS fans.
That is a good question something you would think the WB considered when they pulled the plug on Angel. I am not sure if the WB underestimated the negative media response to Angel's cancellation and the negative impact it may have on the new DS. Then again weren't we all mad at NBC when they cancelled the 1991 DS. But I assume many of us tune in to NBC these days. I just have a feeling that the WB will throw Angel fans a bone by ordering Angel tele-movies in an attempt to soften their anger and to also protect its investment in DS. Pure speculation on my part. Maybe it will be better to hear from a true Angel fan who is a member here.
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Well, I LOVE Angel. And I'm not happy to see it go by any means. But there's not much I can do about it.
The interesting thing is even Joss Whedon isn't sure if HE wants to do anything about it because part of him is happy to see Angel end (a fact that many of Angel's fans conveniently choose to ignore). The WB has proposed continuing Angel as a series of TV movies - however, Whedon's response to that was, "And who will make them for you?" because he's heavily in the development of the film Serenity, which is based on his canceled FOX series, Firefly. Now, that statement could have simply been a ploy to make the WB sweat. But there's also the fact that with Joss you never know if you can actually believe what he's saying. For example, in one interview he's condescending about SMG's decision not to appear on Angel earlier this season, but in the next he's quite understanding, and then he's back to being condescending again in another, and then understanding again, and... Well, you get the idea.
Of course, Angel's cancellation won't stop me from watching a WB DS. But then, as much as I enjoy Angel, I'm a bigger fan of DS.
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I am out of my league with any discussion of Whedon's psych. From a financial point of view, wouldn't Whedon be happy knowing that his workers will again be employed filming the TV movies? Would he and his company benefit from making these movies? If Whedon truly cares about his employees, I would hope he would agree to film the Angel TV movies. I hope there are alot more fans like you out there.
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In a recent interview, Whedon did not mentioned DS as one of the reasons for Angel's cancellation. Thank goodness. Also tells viewers to keep on writing .
www.saveangel.org/index.php?story=132
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I am just blown away how much anti- Dark Shadows messages are being posted by Angel fans
Well, apparently now it's not just Angel fans - it's Angel guest stars as well. Here's an excerpt from a recently posted interview with Christian Kane (Lindsey):
Are there plans for an "Angel" movie?
Oh, they're talking about that. I'm not sure that's [a good thing].
Would you be involved?
If David said that he would do it and Joss asked me to do it, then I would definitely do it hands-down, no matter where I was at in my life. But I don't see it. I'm pissed off.
Are you?
Yeah, because we came back in and then the ratings go up and it's like something like "Dark Shadows" or something.
Anyone interested can check out the full interview here (http://romanticmovies.about.com/cs/taxi/a/kane050104.htm).
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The rest of the interview doesn't provide any further comments about "Dark Shadows".....so that's the full extent of his commentary on the possibility that DS is somehow responsible for the cancellation of "Angel".
Sounds to me like he really hasn't got a clue what DS has to do with anything....nor does he seem the least bit put out about moving on to other projects.
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nor does he seem the least bit put out about moving on to other projects.
True. But being "pissed off" at DS and looking forward to doing other projects aren't mutually exclusive emotions. ;)
Also, having an Angel star mouth off about DS, whether he actually has a clue about DS having anything to do with Angel's cancellation or not, is just the type of thing to reenergize those overly caffeinated Angel fans who already blame DS for the cancellation. (Actually, the fact that Kane doesn't seem to know anything only make his comment worse than it might otherwise be in the greater scheme of things because he's speaking from a vantage point of ignorance...)
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I had thought the anti-Dark Shadows nonsense had petered out but here it shows its ugly face again by this actor. In any event, I feel as long as the positive buzz outweighs the negativity out there, the DS pilot stands a good chance of being picked up by the WB. (Although I can't say I am pleased that the WB has leaked out via Variety that they have picked up two dramas Mountain and Jack and Bobby for its fall schedule thereby reducing DS' chances of also being picked up.)
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In any event, I feel as long as the positive buzz outweighs the negativity out there, the DS pilot stands a good chance of being picked up by the WB.
Oh, yeah. I don't think anything Angel's stars or fans might say regarding DS would make any impact on the decision to pick up the DS pilot.
(Although I can't say I am pleased that the WB has leaked out via Variety that they have picked up two dramas Mountain and Jack and Bobby for its fall schedule thereby reducing DS' chances of also being picked up.)
The Variety piece doesn't quite say that those two shows have definitely been picked up. What it says is:
Posted: Mon., May 3, 2004, 10:22pm PT
Frog hopping with fall fare
Net likely to pickup 'Mountain,' 'Jack'
By JOSEF ADALIAN
Two weeks before it announces its fall sked, the WB is close to picking up a pair of drama pilots from Warner Bros. Television: "The Mountain" and "Jack & Bobby."
Nothing's official yet, and the Frog could decide to wait until its official Gotham sked announcement May 18 before revealing a formal pickup.
But industry insiders said "The Mountain" production team was at the Frog Monday mapping out strategy for the first 12 episodes -- a pretty good sign the pilot is going to get a greenlight.
And "Jack & Bobby," in the works for two years, has long been considered a shoo-in for a series order.
"The Mountain" stars Oliver Hudson as a twentysomething who returns home to run his late grandfather's mountain resort. Barbara Hershey also stars.
Skein comes from WBTV and McG's Wonderland Sound and Vision. Shaun Cassidy, McG, Stephanie Savage ("The OC") and David Barrett are all part of the production team, with Barrett helming. Original pilot script was written by Gina Matthews and Grant Scharbo, who are expected to remain as consultants.
As for "Jack & Bobby," the hour revolves around two brothers, one of whom is set to be elected president of the United States in 2040. Christine Lahti stars as their single mother, a hard-nosed college professor who's reluctant to let her oldest son take on the job of shaping his younger brother.
WBTV is producing along with former "West Wing" helmer Thomas Schlamme's Shoe Money Prods. and "Everwood" creator Greg Berlanti's Berlanti-Liddell shingle.
Schlamme and Berlanti are exec producers, as are Vanessa Taylor and Mickey Liddell. Brad Meltzer and Steve "Scoop" Cohen have been part of the project since its inception.
Frog execs are fond of starting the buzz for their dramas early, signaling to Madison Avenue and the consumer press that the network has strong faith in its frosh contenders.
Indeed, it was almost two years ago to the day that the network gave an early thumbs up to Berlanti's "Everwood." And six years ago, the WB let the world know it loved "Felicity" early on, sending out tapes and elaborate press kits for the skein two weeks before it was ordered to series.[/b]
Date in print: Tue., May 4, 2004, Los Angeles
Though you are right that this would seem to lessen the possibility that DS might be chosen. But, of course, it's never been a given that DS was a definite for the WB's fall season (and fans should have always been preparing themselves for the possibility that it won't make the fall schedule - or even be picked as a mid-season replacement). That being said, though, just like there's been positive buzz about these two shows and the WB may have discussed strategy for the first 12 epsisode of The Mountain, they've also ordered 6 DS scripts. We shouldn't necessarily read too much into this report quite yet. Also, let's keep in mind that more than likely the WB hasn't even seen the DS pilot yet...
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Agreed MB. I think there are still several scenarios that Dark Shadows may still make the fall schedule.
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Are you?
Yeah, because we came back in and then the ratings go up and it's like something like "Dark Shadows" or something.
Hmm...Now when I first saw this comment I interpreted it to mean that he was comparing Angel to DS. Just as the ratings were starting to rise during the 1840/1841 PT stories, DS got the ax; now it seems that although Angel's ratings are also climbing, this show is bound for cancellation too.
In any case, the comment is very vague. All he does is drop the name "Dark Shadows"; he doesn't specify in any way how it relates to Angel.
ProfStokes
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Hmm...Now when I first saw this comment I interpreted it to mean that he was comparing Angel to DS. Just as the ratings were starting to rise during the 1840/1841 PT stories, DS got the ax; now it seems that although Angel's ratings are also climbing, this show is bound for cancellation too.
I think I'd be astonished if he knew something as esoteric as the fact that DS's ratings were actually rising when the show was cancelled. Most of US can't seem to keep that fact straight and we're fans. ;)
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Hmm...Now when I first saw this comment I interpreted it to mean that he was comparing Angel to DS. Just as the ratings were starting to rise during the 1840/1841 PT stories, DS got the ax; now it seems that although Angel's ratings are also climbing, this show is bound for cancellation too.
Interesting take. And I suppose it's possible. But it also presupposes that Kane is so familiar with DS history to be able to make those connections...
But at any rate, I doubt most of the Angel fans who are already heated up will come away from Kane's remarks with the same take. :(
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i have what is perhaps a naive question.i have never seen "angel",but it seems to be mentioned in connection with the potential new d.s. show alot.why?what was it about and how does that affect a new version of d.s.?
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... the Angel fans who are already heated up ...
Speaking of those fans, I wonder what they'll think when they hear about or read first hand David Boreanaz' comments in SciFi Wire's Star Relieved At Angel's End (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2004-05/05/11.00.tv)? Hopefully it will help them to realize that a potential WB DS is hardly one of the major reasons why Angel came to an end on the WB...
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i have never seen "angel",but it seems to be mentioned in connection with the potential new d.s. show alot.why?what was it about and how does that affect a new version of d.s.?
mscbryk,
If you go back and check out this topic from reply #2 onward, you'll probably get a good idea of what it's all about. :)
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Hopefully it will help them to realize that a potential WB DS is hardly one of the major reasons why Angel came to an end on the WB...
One day there's an article that shows there are probably many reasons why Angel might have ended. But then the next we get this again:
The decision to cancel Angel may be tied to WB's decision to add another vampire drama to its lineup this fall; ER producer John Wells is producing a new version of the gothic soap opera Dark Shadows.
(Though maybe Angel's fans will be in a better mood today because the show as well as stars David Boreanaz, James Marsters and Amy Acker all won Saturn Awards yesterday.)
Click this link to read the entire TIME to Sign Off (http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_RelishArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031775281903&path=!news!entertainment!television&s=1037645508994).
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Gee....maybe it's time to start hoping that it's the gospel truth that "Angel" is getting the boot to make room for DS......that would mean that the decision to put DS on the air is already cut in stone....otherwise why on earth make it official that there's going to be an empty space where "Angel" used to be?
And speaking of "Angel"....after missing the series all year, I caught last night's episode in Italy. What the hell was THAT all about? I kept expecting Eddie Izzard to go by on a Vespa shouting "Ciao!"
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The decision to cancel Angel may be tied to WB's decision to add another vampire drama to its lineup this fall; ER producer John Wells is producing a new version of the gothic soap opera Dark Shadows.
Well the piece you quoted states that the decision to cancel Angel only "may" be tied to the WB's decision. I am a bit of a Buffy/Angel fan and FWIR, the WB decision had more to do with budget than than ratings. That was at least one reason why the show this year has been so focused on staying inside the Wolfram and Hart offices. It's also an action series and those are expensive. I suppose that a new Dark Shadows series might appear attractive as it far more a talk drama than an action drama and yet still has supernatural elements (oops, looks like I just argued myself back to the beginning) :-[
Nelson
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And speaking of "Angel"....after missing the series all year, I caught last night's episode in Italy. What the hell was THAT all about?
Haven't seen that ep yet myself but it's all part of the run up to the series finale and the battle against the Senior Partners
I kept expecting Eddie Izzard to go by on a Vespa shouting "Ciao!"
That would have been very funny actually! :D
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And speaking of "Angel"....after missing the series all year, I caught last night's episode in Italy. What the hell was THAT all about?
I put your answer in spoiler tags since Nelson has not seen his.
[spoiler]I think it was less about the "big" unknown battle coming in next two episodes. What they did, IMHO, is come to some conclusion about Buffy or at the very least, a truce between Spike and Angel. Here is a good page on the Implaler General's (http://www.geocities.com/impalergeneral/Angel.html) web site that gives a pretty good explanation what it was about and a bunch of background. There was also the continuing sub-plot of Illyria and Wes. Illyria is going to prove to be an unpredictable element IMHO in the last two episodes.[/spoiler]
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Thanks, Victoria, and I agree, now that I have seen the ep, I see now that in a lot of ways the story was about letting go of Buffy and the two of them coming to a sort of truce realizing just how much alike they are in other ways too. They may not be lovers, but this season of Angel, Spike and Angel's relationship has been the emotional center of the show. IMHO, of course :)
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Wow. Wouldn't it be hot if the series finale involved a 3 way between Adam Baldwin, James Marsters and Boreanaz?
probably a snowball chance's in Hell of seeing anything like this on the Froggy Bore, but we can dream.
G.
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Wow. Wouldn't it be hot if the series finale involved a 3 way between Adam Baldwin, James Marsters and Boreanaz?
Don't forget Lindsey! woof ;-P~
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For you Angel fans, I see he's going to be on "Regis & Kelli" on Monday a.m.
Patti
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Well, what do you know - an Angel article that mentions DS and the Angels fans' angry reactions towards the WB - BUT it doesn't mention fans blaming DS for Angel's cancellation. It's a miracle. :D
They want more, more, more and are bitterly angry at WB for dropping the show, which lagged in repeats. WB, which in the meantime is exploring a different vampire drama with a remake of the supernatural soap opera "Dark Shadows," has responded to "Angel" fan lobbying by proposing a return to the show with occasional television movies or a miniseries.
You can read the full article here (http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=living&story_id=051504d1_angelapos;sarmageddon). (If you're an Angel fan, it's quite interesting.)
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Well my family has sent emails to The WB asking for consideration for Dark Shadows. Gothic soap opera Dark Shadows has such a nice ring about it when you say the words. It conjurs up intense relationships between people. Ah well! Three days and counting until the word about the new series.
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For you Angel fans, I see he's going to be on "Regis & Kelli" on Monday a.m.
Did anyone watch/tape this?
Patti
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Yes, did you get the name of that moving bus that was the series/season finale? I'm still reeling from whiplash. Don't interpret it to mean that I disliked it. As Andrew would say, "ou contraire."
[spoiler]I don't know about you but that montage at the end. I just wanted to throw the remote at them. Don't thank me WB. Of all the nerve after treating this show so horribly since last season. If you wanted to thank me, you would have renewed the show or picked up the new Dark Shadows.[/spoiler][/color][/FONT]
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