DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '04 I => Topic started by: Cassandra on March 07, 2004, 10:06:19 AM
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Since Julian's topic of "Humor on DS" came up with so many good replies (and good memories!) I thought I'd start a topic that's the opposite of that one and see how many sad or emotional scenes (or dialog) that we can come up with.
One of the saddest scenes that I can recall is when Barnabas' sister Sarah died in his arms. That one was a real tearjerker if I ever saw one. :'( To hear little Sarah say to her brother right before she died, "I love you Barnabas, I always will" was just so heartwrenching. And the look on Barnabas' face was so sorrowful.
Can anyone else think of more heart tuggers on DS?
Cassandra
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No one can say that that wasn't heartwrecking Cassandra, but you know the one that always gets me? It's the one where Angelique gets shot. Barnabas holds her in his arms and FINALLY announces to everbody, that yes, he does love her. [bawl]
But she can't hear him because she's dead.
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Another good topic Cassandra! iam sure there will be alot of replies on this one...
episode #409- when Barnabas dies. always gets me choked up when Joshua comes down stairs and tells Naomi that Barnabas is gone.
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I always felt sad for Angelique when Skye treats her like a nothing :'(
She realizes that she thought she had true love, but, alas, no way Jose.
Also, Carolyn loses her Father and husband within a couple of months; that's alot :'(
It's also very sad when Judith realizes Trask never loved her/never visited her when she was sick.
Patti
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My answers are always limited to early DS and 1795 (never saw other parts but am ordering some 1871 tapes)
With that said I find most of DS to be REALLY sad but I haven't always been touched in an emotional way with much of it (that's another topic and in no way implies I'm not a big fan) ...two scenes that I found the most affecting were...
1) great scenes between Maggie and her father (they had terrific father/daughter chemistry) when Maggie was being slowly turned into a vampire and couldn't get out of bed and to work at the coffee shop. KLS successfully conveyed Maggie as a simple, honest and hard-working girl/waitress in serious trouble. David Ford (is that his name?) was also superb as her bewildered artist father struggling for a living and temporarily employed by the very "thing" that was killing his daughter. I loved their spats, quarrels obviously originating from stress, concern and affection for each other, quite realisitc for a Father and Daughter relationship. I feel this series of events was affecting as it wove fantasy and horror within a fairly realistic framework and showed how normal everyday people might actually react to them. It could have come from a Stephen King novel.
2) Sarah's death. You really felt the implications of what Angelique had done in that scene.
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Although Sarah's death was tragic, I was more affected by watching Naomi grieve. Hearing the poor woman break the news of their daughter's death to Joshua, using the metaphor of a bird that flew away, and then listening to her in the mausoleum ("I begged you to bury them in the earth. Their whole lives were stone; now it will be stone for eternity.") is so wrenching. :'(
Another sad scene that stands out for me is when Magda tells Quentin that his son, whom he never even knew existed, has just died. A brash and volatile cad up to this point, Quentin looks stunned and quietly murmurs, "My son is dead...my son is dead." It's really the first time he shows an emotion.
The 1995 sequence and the interractions among Mrs. Johnson, Carolyn, and Quentin are also all very sad.
ProfStokes
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All the scenes mentioned earlier were quite sad. But the one i guess that gets me is the Barnabas and Vicki car crash, Vicki is injured, Barnabas near death, and Jeff Clark survives without a scratch :'( which in turn, because of that, we are introduced to Dr. Lang :'(
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My favorite sad scene is when Barnabas finally sees the ghost of Sarah. Every time I've seen that storyline, you wait and wait and keep thinking it will finally happen, and when it does it's just so sad! Other favorites that aren't necessarily sad so much as just emotional are when Barnabas tells Vicki and Carolyn the story of Josette. It's one of my favorite episodes--the expressions on his face as he tells the story with his back to them, Carolyn's comment afterwards about how Barnaba's "familiarity with the family history is a little to vivid for her", the writing is incredible! I also love when Liz finally confesses to Vicki that she killed Paul Stoddard (or so she thought)--the first time I saw it I almost couldn't believe she finally said it!
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:'( [cryb] :'(
I wanted to avoid this topic. Too depressing. [bawling2]
BUT, to no avail.
A scene I found terribly sad was during the destruction of Collinwood after Quentin had tried to save the children, then finds them dead, and then Daphne dies in his arms.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~lightdance/images/q-daphne70.jpg)
Signed.
Heading for the tissue box :'(
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Another scene I thought up was when Julia & Barnabas murdered Dr Woodard in his office. (although I didn't particulary care for the third Dr Woodard) You could see how hard this must have been for Julia, especially since her and the doctor had been good friends long before Barnabas came into the picture.
I also thought it was sad how Barnabas treated Julia during alot of the early scenes they had together. One scene in particular comes to mind. When Barnabas was trying to drive Julia insane by doing that voodoo black magic thing to her that made her think that Dr.Woodard's ghost was haunting her. When Julia finally confronted Barnabas about this and how she was going to expose him (with her diary) he suddenly started turning the charms on to her, calling her Julia instead of Doctor (which she loved) then telling her how much he needs her & lastly, kissing her hand. Julia was looking up at him like a teenager in love and it was heartbreaking to see him making a fool out of her this way. Carolyn (who was under his power) had been hiding out in a nearby room and heard the whole thing and later told Barnabas just how cruel he was to do that! And then replied, "Barnabas, she loves you so much!"
1795 - When Naomi drinks the poison and then dies in Barnabas' arms. I always felt so sorry for that poor woman and to think she had to die like that.
1967 - When Willie gets shot down by the sherrif's men after trying to warn Maggie about Barnabas, and then having to take the rap for the whole thing!
Cassandra
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If I'm remembering correctly, Joe and Maggie are at the Blue Whale and basically agree that their relationship is over -that's a pretty sad scene.
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:'( By far the deaths of Sarah and Angelique were the saddest to me. However, I felt so sorry for Adam when Carolyn rejected him. He was so innocent and childlike, it struck me as almost as tragic as a child losing a parent. I wasn't especially fond of this storyline, but I did feel great sadness for Adam.
Misty
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I agree with Misty about Adam. I've only seen the end of the Adam storyline once before, and am currently watching it from the beginning on the DVDs. I admit I'm a sucker for the Frankenstein story, but I feel really sorry for Adam, and find many of his scenes sad. I know his character changes later on though. I thought the death of Sam Evans was sad too, both for Maggie and for Joe too, as he and Sam had a nice bond.
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A couple of times during the early part of the series Vicky gives accounts of life in the foundling home. She was lonely, didn't know her true birthdate. An attendant played a cruel trick on her, telling her that her parents were coming for her. She waited and they never came. :'(
There is a scene with Elizabeth sitting in the dark in the drawing room banging on the piano. The mood there is very sad and depressing. :(
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Prof Stokes and Cassandra picked a few of the scenes i would've listed. I also think the scene where Magda learns about Jennie's children is very affecting .. .Grayson actually cried. . not glycerine or onion tears but real ones. . .good scene between her and Terry Crawford.
Ohh and for those of us at the Fest . ..when Carolyn reads Liz's will and realizes the truth about Vicki. . i think that got to a lot of us. . .Nancy Barrett was just amazing. . .
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In PT1970, Carolyn Loomis mourning the death of her husband, Will. They were my favorite characters in that storyline with the tension between them, and I wish we had seen more of them (but some gull-darn movie-makin' got in the way). They viewed themselves - and each other - as once great successes who turned into failures, blaming and chiding each other. And yet one could see that they needed each other and - despite the aggression between them - that they truly loved each other because they saw no one else in their lives who cared for them. They were both lost souls, but at least they were lost together and thus not alone. So when Will died, Carolyn had nothing left. During the scene in which Barnabas tries to console her - and the only consolation she can find is out of a bottle - it's hearbreaking. Just the way she said with defeated abandoned: "Will is dead," demonstrated how she felt her life was now futile and of no more worth or value.
Gerard
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For me, watching Willie Loomis plead with Barnabas and Julia to take him 'home" to the old house from Windcliffe is the saddest scene in the series.
Also the one most likely to send my blood pressure into the stratosphere.
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I caught a sad scene the other day from the "werewolf" storyline - Chris Jennings tells a hurt and confused Carolyn he is leaving Collinsport (they're outside on the terrace). They admit their love for one another - Chris citing his love for her as the reason he has to go. Well played by Briscoe & Barrett.
I also dig Briscoe in his first scene w/ Denise NIckerson, as kid sister Amy (holed up at Wyndecliff) - when her tears cause him (as Chris) to realize must stay in town for her sake.
And a final Briscoe tear jerker from "1897," when Tim Shaw comforts his dying friend, governess Rachel (KLS) at the Old House (FYI: great "buns" shot of Don in that scene - have your slow motion button ready).
Finally, Grayson Hall as Magda, mourning her murdered Sandor, always gets the tissues popping in this house.
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:'( OMG! I almost forgot that Part in "Return to Collinwood" where we learn the truth about Vickie. What a scene! If possible, you could have heard a pin drop. Yes, NB was outstanding!
Misty
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For understated emotion, I think one of the finest moments in the series is the scene between Joshua and Naomi the morning after Sarah dies. Joan and Louis played that scene so beautifully. Never fails to bring a lump to the old throat.
Another scene that always gets me reaching for the kleenex is Julia's brief speech about learning to live without love when she and Barnabas find themselves back in the Parallel Time room in 1995. Again, very understated work from Grayson.
I think another scene between Grayson and Karlen (who always played off one another really well) that has this quality to it is the scene where Willie begs Julia to persuade Barnabas against using Maggie for the new Experiment. In that line where Julia says "You forget, Willie--I stood and watched Barnabas lie on that table," she conveys in one searing moment all the emotional agony Julia has gone through over the preceding summer. Love it. I think the episode with this scene in it may have been featured in a recent montage.
G.
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Another sad scene for me is when the family has to abandon the house because Quentin has stirred up so much trouble. Right before they leave, Roger returns from a business trip and is rather pompous and insufferable about the claims that Collinwood is haunted, but after he encounters Quentin he is like a broken man, and Liz comforts him as she leads him from the house. That scene with Liz almost holding Roger in her arms is very sad and touching and makes me think that big sister had to frequently be a support for her little brother.
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Another very Sad scene was when Beth went to beg Magda to remove her curse from Quentin, she refused with a grin saying how Quentin deserves his curse... although when Magda explains should Quentin have son's they also will carry the curse, Beth tells Magda she had cursed her own kin! When at last Magda believes this to be true her sorrow is so deeply felt she begs Jenny's forgiveness... expressing "I did not know!"
I felt so sorry for that gypsy. :'(
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Another sad one for me was when Angelique told Beth about her engagement to Quentin! Poor Beth had tried so hard to refuse him and then when she does finally give in, this has to happen to her. I also thought her death very sad too. She definetely didn't deserve all this.
Cassandra
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Another sad one for me was when Angelique told Beth about her engagement to Quentin! Poor Beth had tried so hard to refuse him and then when she does finally give in, this has to happen to her. I also thought her death very sad too. She definetely didn't deserve all this.
Well, if you're going to mention that one - how about when 1840 Roxanne is introduced to Valerie as his wife!!
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If I'm remembering correctly, Joe and Maggie are at the Blue Whale and basically agree that their relationship is over -that's a pretty sad scene.
Yes, I totally agree Julian! I had forgotten all about the break-up between Maggie & Joe when Angelique ruined their relationship. I thought they had such a good relationship between them and were considered the "all American couple" on the show.
Cassandra
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Back in the day (when I was clueless) the moment that made me saddest was when Barnabas opened the door...
[spoiler]...that Aristede had rigged up to shoot Julia, and Julia was shot dead.[/spoiler] At first I was in shock, then the saddness immediately settled in. I called an older friend who knew the score on DS and they informed me that I need not worry. I couldn't imagine (or believe) that she wasn't really dead. Silly me, lol.
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.....I called an older friend who knew the score on DS and they informed me that I need not worry. I couldn't imagine (or believe) that she wasn't really dead. Silly me, lol.
But even if she had been.....a week later she'd have shown up again as a ghost/reincarnation/evil twin sister/time traveler......the possibilities were endless......[lghy]
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No kidding. ::)
Loved it as a kid, now-a-days I find it slightly annoying and uncreative.
dom (riding the slippery downhill slope and jaded with age [lol2])
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One of the saddest for me is when Barnabas and Joshua have agreed that Josua is to stake Barnabas in his coffin the next day. In the scene Barnabas asks his father to release Ben because he has been so good and so faithful to him and if I remember correctly, Joshua agrees to the request.
I found the above scene to be the best between Jonathan and Louis who were great friends off the set and who had good on screen chemistry.
Murph
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No kidding. ::)
Loved it as a kid, now-a-days I find it slightly annoying and uncreative.
Yeah, especially when Ned Stuart showed up! ::)
Cassandra
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Actually, what's very sad is David with both his parents.
On one hand, he's trying to 'off' his father; on the other hand, his mommy dearest is trying to 'off' her son.
:'( :- :'( :-
Very sad...and....can you IMAGINE any PTB today trying to put that in a scene!!!!!
Patti
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Hey Cousins!
I have seen afew scenesthat have moved me to tears:
[spoiler]-when Liz tried to commit suicide
-just before the costume party, Vicki mentions that she has no family identity to Barnabas
-when Bathia Mapes dies
-when Maggie was trapped in the old house
-when Vicki finds out that Maggie died after escaping from the old house[/spoiler]
and other scenes I seem to can't recall at this time. A lot of the scenes sad and happy remind me of my life.
DS is the most realistic show to watch on DVD.
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One sad scene for me was when Joe told Chris that when they told Amy about Tom's death, she fell to pieces. Losing the only person who ever cared for her was too much for her.
Another sad scene was when they tool Joe Haskell away to Wyndcliff.
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Okay, here's my thoughts:
[spoiler]Sarah's death was definitely a tear-jerker, as was Naomi's suicide. I can't say I shed any tears for Angelique though.
Adam cradling a dying Carolyn in his arms after she participated in the experiment to bring (unsuccessfully) his mate to life. I felt so sorry for him there because he really did love Carolyn and didn't mean for any harm to come to her.
The ghost of Jenny come to make her and Quentin's daughter well again. Every time she sings to the baby it brings tears to my eyes.
My heart went out to Amy when Chris went to see her at Windcliff and her thinking he only came out of obligation and planned to leave her all along again. Poor girl really felt all alone at that point and it was such a relief to her (and me truthfully) when Chris decided he should stay in Collinsport for her sake.
Sarah appears to Barnabas at the Old House and vows never to appear to him again. Barnabas breaks down to cry.....that was just so sad. You can understand Sarah's anger, but yet you can't help pitying Barnabas, finally seeing his sister again for just a few minutes, only to have her angry at him and disappear before his eyes and him helpless to do anything about it.
Last but not least, Leticia and Desmond in his prison cell awaiting his execution. Leticia asks to be his wife, but Desmond refuses, fearing Leticia could be accused of being a witch. So they just say the wedding vows to each other. That was both so sad and so romantic at the same time.[/spoiler]