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They follow Dark Shadows with a remake of Dr. Phibes.
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Are you speculating, or has there been a definitive press release with studio contracts, etc.?
Thanks for clarifying.
G.
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it's just been announced.
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Depp will also be playing The Wolf in the fairy tale musical Into The Woods, co-starring Star Trek's Chris Pine & Meryl Streep. Rob Marshall (Chicago) directs.
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www.naughtybutnicerob.com/johnny-depp-to-star-in-the-abominable-dr-phibes-remake/
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Is nothing sacred? [covereyes]
As long as SGS doesn't write it, there may be hope. [easter_wink]
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I just saw Phibes for the first time. Anyway, we should be embarrassed at a culture that is now long past being embarrassed at having to rely on remakes of old films, and takes it as a given. Still I'd like to see another Phibes film, and hope it's a new story rather than redoing the first one. And I hope it's better than the sequel.
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Just be glad you can't read what I am thinking. It is so beyond unprintable.
Magnus, the press announcement flatly says it is a remake of the first Phibes film, but nothing is said about the script and I'm sure once Burton and team get their claws into it, the result will bear very, very little resemblance to the original.
The Phibes story does have a number of Burton's favorite hobby-horse elements, so I can see the attraction for him.
G.
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I realize that, of course, not everyone pays attention to such things, but it was mentioned several months back that Burton/Depp had a remake of The Abominable Dr. Phibes on their plate, so the latest isn't all that much new. It's just that it's moved to the front of their cue and apparently past Depp's The Thin Man remake, which many expected to be his next. Not sure why that has been pushed back (perhaps madscntst does) - but then, as we well know with the development of DS, projects are often jockeyed around.
As Gothick said, though, Phibes has a number of Burton's favorite elements, so it's easy to see the attraction. Plus, Phibes already has multiple levels of quirkiness built into it, so its sensibility would seem like a natural for Burton and something he should be able to pull off well. Though, of course, only time will tell...
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My predictions:
Dr. Vesalius will be female in this version & portrayed by HBC. (Remember, I said HBC would play Julia in Depp Shadows, and although many dismissed the prediction... I was right.)
Vulnavia, no longer mute, will be played by Beyonce, who will *perform* the songs this time around.
George Clooney will be tapped for the Trout role (don't know why this comes to me, but it does.)
Burton will seed references to his own oeuvre throughout, such as a murder that somehow has a Scissorshands theme.
That's all she wrote.
G. (off to salute the porcelain goddess now... ugh)
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Hey all-- the Dr. Phibes report comes from a tabloid-style source, so I am not really convinced this is for real. There are often some crazy rumors going around for Johnny's potential upcoming films and only a fraction of them end up being legitimate. Somehow, I'm a bit skeptical about this one unless we hear more from one of the major trades (Variety or Hollywood Reporter), or of course, from the horse's mouth. It sounds almost like Tim or Johnny may have said it as a joke (like how Johnny always says he wants to play Carol Channing) and it got picked up as a real thing. But that said, you never know- it could be true.
If this is indeed true, I think it will be awhile before it gets made. Johnny is currently filming a sci fi film called Transcendence in LA and New Mexico, and that will go through July. In August, he's slated to start filming Black Mass, a movie about Boston crime boss Whitey Bulger. Into The Woods will supposedly start in September in London, and we're kinda thinking that Johnny will shoehorn in his (small) role as the Wolf for Into The Woods in the middle of Black Mass filming (he's done double-duty a few times before). After that, the ever-present Pirates 5 rumors are still in full force, with claims that it will begin filming in early 2014. They even have a release date picked out- July 10, 2015- how they could plan a release date a year before the thing even starts filming is beyond me [easter_grin] Meanwhile, Burton is working on his new movie, Big Eyes.
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the Dr. Phibes report comes from a tabloid-style source, so I am not really convinced this is for real.
I wish I could remember where I first read about Phibes some months ago, but I don't. But it was on a fairly reputable Web site (those are the only kind I read regularly), so I definitely believed it at the time. Though as we learned with DS, even reputable sources can get things wrong. And I suppose that's always a thing to keep in mind, particularly with Depp. I mean, who can forget how many sites, including fairly reputable ones, continued to report Depp was going to be part of Christopher Nolan's third and, as of then, untitled Batman film - even after Depp, Nolan and WB denied it. [easter_rolleyes]
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Thanks, Cathy, for the update. Didn't it take three or four years between the initial announcements that Burton & Depp were going to do the DS thing and the actual start of filming? I seem to remember endless griping from fans that filming hadn't started yet, over a period of years.
Best, Steve
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DS was first announced in July of 2007 and didn't start shooting until May of 2011.
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Yes, excellent point Gothick, so it is still possible that the report is legit and it might be something that would film a few years from now. But as I mentioned, it wouldn't happen any time soon. I guess time will tell! MB, if you happen to find where it was previously reported, I'd be interested to see that.
Incidentally, and I'm sure it's been mentioned here, too- Johnny is also planning to star in a film version of The Night Stalker at some point, and I think they're already working on the script for that one.
Forgot to answer the question about The Thin Man- I don't know why that's been pushed back, either, but maybe it's because they didn't have a good script yet. Also, I think Rob Marshall was going to direct that one, and he'll be busy with Into The Woods for awhile first.
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MB, if you happen to find where it was previously reported, I'd be interested to see that.
I've searched online, but for some reason I can't seem to locate it. Maybe I actually read it in print in a magazine - though I was sure it was online. [easter_undecided] But for what it's worth, if I'm remembering the details of what I read correctly, William Goldstein, who wrote the novelizations of the two original Phibes films along with some other Phibes books, had come up with a story (no Seth Grahame-Smith involvement, Cousin_Barnabas [easter_wink]) which WB optioned. WB even already had a producer (whose name I don't recall) on the project, and together WB and the producer approached Depp/Burton, who expressed their definite interest in coming on board.
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I actually just did a Google search and found this article in the Chicago Tribune, by Liz Smith, from May of 2012:
Will Depp and Burton rise again with 'Dr. Phibes'? (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-09/entertainment/sns-201205081600--tms--lizsmittr--x-a20120509may09_1_burton-and-depp-burton-rise-dr-phibes)
Hmm, well, Liz Smith is certainly more reputable than a tabloid, but I still think she's mainly a columnist more so than a hard news reporter, and she was presenting this as a rumor in her article. It does seem believable that they were pitching the idea to Burton/Depp, but even if they're interested, it seemed like less than a solid commitment as of last year. On the other hand, the fact that there is still buzz about it a year later does seem to give it more cred. (I honestly don't remember this rumor at all, but what can I say, my memory is terrible [easter_tongue] [easter_grin] ) So, thanks for pointing out that this was already mentioned last year, MB- I'm a little less skeptical now, but still will take a wait-and-see attitude for now.
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Very interesting. What I read was several months back, but definitely not that far back, and definitely not from Liz Smith (she wasn't even credited as a source) - and it wasn't presented as rumor. But then, we also know how some sites can spin rumor as fact. [easter_rolleyes]
Also, it's interesting that that article came up for you, but neither it nor what I read did for me. Though like I said, maybe I really did read it in print. But if I did, it would have been in something like Entertainment Weekly, Empire, or Total Film because those are pretty much the only film magazines I read with any regularity.
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First: Magnus, what did you think of Dr. Phibes?
Next...don't remember who posted; Johnny Depp (who I strongly enjoy) re-doing "Thin Man"....N O, k?
It's been a while since I've seen Phibes; I believe I'll Amazonit to see how much it is (cuz once the re-do gets going, the price will increase).
Patti
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It wouldn't let me copy; but after I put in Dr. Phibes, one of the listings was a multi-pack:
MGM Scream Legends Collections:
Abominal Dr. Phibes, Theatre of Blood, Madhouse, Witchfinder General, and more.
I've never even heard of Witchfinder, so cool for me!!
(Too bad, one of the collections I noticed has Pit & Pendulum, et al, which I want to buy at some soonish date.)
Patti
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Regarding the above mentioned Price/Corman pics (P&P, Raven, Masque of Red Death):
$14.00 includes shipping...I had to!!
Patti...the wimp, or, the woman who works hard & now only has time to read text-books, so I want movies.
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First: Magnus, what did you think of Dr. Phibes?
Phibes 1 was great, a better cooler Phantom of the Opera. Phibes 2 was silly (suddenly Phibes has magical powers, and waves his hand and reconstitutes his dead woman sidekick), but I was glad to see it anyway.
That movie set actually sounds affordable, but buying online confounds me. Is it easy, can you just give a debit card #? PayPal/eBay involve too much eye work and figuring out for me.
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I had seen the first Phibes movie on TV many, many years ago. Then I saw it on DVD about a year or two ago, having forgotten most of it. I found it rather silly. But this seems like it would be something right up Burton's alley, and I think he could really have a lot of fun with it make something quite entertaining.
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I saw Phibe's at the drive-in back in the day and couldn't watch it - for me it was uninteresting - I may have seen it on a double bill with THE LEGEND OF BOGGY CREEK - which I found totally awesome. I think I was at the age where Phibes seemed too dated and corny - too Hammer-ish. I can't even imagine today why someone would want to remake it. I should check it out to see what I missed. Obviously it had some merit.
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The difference between Shadows and Phibes is that Phibes was always a dark comedy and Shadows never was.
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I vividly remember the ad campaign that mocked the tag line for Love Story: Love Means Never Having to Say You're Ugly.
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I only saw Phibes for the first time in 2013, and I'll defend it to the last fiber of my being, or something. Gruesome ironic murders by a guy with no face who eats through his neck never get old. Maybe you saw the bad sequel, dom.
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Magnus...glad to hear you really enjoyed it.
I've been buying through Amazon for more than a decade; yes, you can either pay by check or debit card. It's usually about $3-5 shipping, so for me getting the multi-pack movies, it's a real deal. I prefer to use Amazon v. PayPal/ebay, same for me.
dom...ask our mysterious benefactor if I can ??download?? it to a flash drive & I'll mail it to you :)
(cause you're d o m !!)
Patti
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I vividly remember the ad campaign that mocked the tag line for Love Story: Love Means Never Having to Say You're Ugly.
Wasn't that "Love means never having to say you're gory"?
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The difference between Shadows and Phibes is that Phibes was always a dark comedy and Shadows never was.
Quite true. Which does make Phibes and Burton a better match than DS and Burton.
Although, I must say that the more I make my way through the original series now (which I haven't done since it originally aired), I am quite astonished at how many little details from, and parallels with, the original series that got worked into the Burton film, and make me like it even more, in spite of the occasional spells of broad comedy. (As an example of a parallel that I just discovered: in the OS, when discussing Vicki's arrival at the Collins estate in 1795, one of the characters remarks about the governess' name being different from what they had been led to believe it would be before she arrived, and that the name "Victoria Winters" came into her head after her carriage overturned. In the film, Vicki--who has apparently been expected--uses a name that she seems to have though up on the train; of course, why the discrepancy isn't noted by anyone at Collinwood remains a mystery...)
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Well, apparently Depp has one less film in his pipeline -
Johnny Depp Exits Whitey Bulger Biopic Over Salary Dispute (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/johnny-depp-exits-whitey-bulger-560061)
- which could mean that Phibes might move up. Well, if it is indeed a real project in his pipeline...
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Well, apparently Depp has one less film in his pipeline -
Johnny Depp Exits Whitey Bulger Biopic Over Salary Dispute (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/johnny-depp-exits-whitey-bulger-560061)
- which could mean that Phibes might move up. Well, if it is indeed a real project in his pipeline...
This was quite a shock! Just a couple of days ago, the director or someone with Black Mass confirmed that filming was starting on Aug. 5. Guess they're going to have to scramble now to get someone else if they want to start that soon! I guess I shouldn't have sounded so sure of myself when I posted here the other day ;)
But there is no way they could start Phibes by August, at least not with Burton. He's about to start his movie Big Eyes (edited to add- Big Eyes will apparently start filming in July). And just before the Black Mass news was news that the directors for Pirates 5 had signed on, and that they expect filming of that to start by January. So Phibes would have to be behind that, unless someone pulls some miracle [easter_grin]
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Is The Thin Man still a go?
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Is The Thin Man still a go?
Good question. About a year ago, there were some rumors about possible leading ladies for Nora, and then I think that was the last we heard. Rob Marshall (who is directing Into The Woods) was going to be the director, and I *think* that some recent articles about Into The Woods did indicate that he was still planning to direct The Thin Man, but I guess they probably won't even think about that until after Into The Woods is filmed.
Sometimes a year (or more) goes by without any news on a project, and we start to think it'll never happen, and then all of a sudden we hear more. Or, sometimes it really never happens [easter_grin] Honestly, as much as folks were fretting here about the DS status, I always thought that that one got made fairly smoothly, relatively speaking.
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Well, now I've received BOTH my collections of the Vincent Price movies (Pit & Pendulum, Dr. Phibes and 'Dr. Phibes Revisted' {or whatever Phibes II is}, Madhouse, The Raven, and many more)!!!
Glad we had this discussion; it benefited me greatly....
Patti
Big PS...I had pre-ordered Dark Skies by one day; I received it and watched it this past weekend. [easter_tongue] skip it**of course, this is in my humble own opinion.... [easter_azn]
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They follow Dark Shadows with a remake of Dr. Phibes.
So, as I mentioned, I just purchased 'The Abdominal Dr. Phibes'.
OMG!! I guess it's been more than 30 years since I've seen it, and I certainly never saw it 'un-cut' or unedited!!! What a ***^effing trip (and I do mean trip, as in LSD!!!)
I've yet to watch the sequel (the boxed set I got has Phibes on side A with Return of Phibes on side B of disc).
I've never seen the sequel to Phibes...should be quite interesting.
If anyone has a chance to watch it, do it.
What a hoot!!
Patti
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Thanx, Patti, I think I'll stick with my first impression from all those years ago.
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The Phibes films are favorites of mine. I first saw them on "CBS Late Movie" airings so there were cuts. I know a lot of fans diss the sequel (and Vincent Price himself was very angry about it) but there are several elements in it I love, including VP's "mod" styled wig and the high Art Deco Egyptian sets. Also fun to have such folks as Fiona Lewis and Robert Quarry on hand. Terry-Thomas and Beryl Reid both have cameos that are amusing.
I really, really hope the Burton/Depp remake just falls through. But this time around I'm determined simply to ignore its existence if it is released.
The director of the Phibes films was Bob Fuest who died a couple of years ago and has, I believe, an odd connection to the Buffy the Vampire Slayer series. Fuest did a B movie called The Devil's Rain (filmed in Mexico, maybe?) that was really schlocky but was, I think, the first film to use the visual image of people possessed by the Devil/forces of darkness have eyes that turn black all the way through. When this showed up on BTVS I immediately thought of "The Devil's Rain."
My personal favorite Fuest film of all is the 1973 offbeat sci fi apocalyptic thriller, The Last Days of Man on Earth, aka The Final Programme. It's unfortunately practically impossible to find now.
G.
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According to his Wikipedia entry, Robert Fuest also co-wrote the Phibes sequel. He also directed several of the more stylish elisotof The Avengers during the Tara King run.
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The Phibes films are favorites of mine. I first saw them on "CBS Late Movie" airings so there were cuts. I know a lot of fans diss the sequel (and Vincent Price himself was very angry about it) but there are several elements in it I love,
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My personal favorite Fuest film of all is the 1973 offbeat sci fi apocalyptic thriller, The Last Days of Man on Earth, aka The Final Programme. It's unfortunately practically impossible to find now.
I didn't know it was THAT rare.... I'll consider self fortunate to have a SF friend who sent me this. film. If I had the facilities I'd make a copy since you sent me some DS 1966 on VHS...
VP was mad about Phibes II? I thought it must have been his input that made Phibes so ridiculously talkative in it. I figured it was the ham in Price, and I may have seriously misjudged him...
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Magnus--I do own the Last Man on Earth DVD. It's among my most prized possessions.
I loved VP's comic salvos and quips in Phibes Rises Again. There was some improvisation but most of what you heard was scripted by Director Bob Fuest, I believe.
To each his own.
G.
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Holy Cow!
I 'Amazoned' Last Days of Man on Earth....$80!!!! (the used was only like 78.XX)!!!
Is there also a film, starring VP, called "The Last Man on Earth"?
Patti
Then I just entered "The Devil'sRain", and that can be had used for $5.99ish.
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The Vincent Price "Last Man on Earth" was the first film adaptation of Richard Matheson's novel, I am Legend. It was filmed in Italy. Public domain prints have circulated for decades. I don't know whether the movie has ever had a restored release on home video.
The Bob Fuest "Last Days of Man on Earth" is a cult film so it's not surprising that the prices are so high. It's one of those films that you are love passionately, or can't even get through ten minutes of.
"The Devil's Rain" had some funny bits for Bill Shatner (recording artist whose cover of "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" caused quite a stir once upon a time), Ernie Borgnine, and Ida Lupino.
G.
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For good, bad or indifferent, The Devil's Rain is also an early film credit for John Travolta.
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Just a gentle reminder that this topic is about what's up next for Burton/Depp and/or Dr. Phibes, and, well, the latest posts have gone way beyond those topics. [ghost_wink]