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Title: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on July 19, 2011, 03:53:07 PM
Note from the admins:

The forum does not advocate the posting/reading/discussion of spoilers. But we understand that many people like them, so here's a topic to post/read/discuss them. However, the forum's staff does not support in any way, shape or form anything that's posted in this topic, nor do we claim its accuracy, and we kindly ask that any sorts of references to anything that gets posted to this topic be completely limited to this topic alone so that people who choose to avoid spoilers can remain completely spoiler free.

Thanks!  [ghost_smiley]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: neiljohnson on July 19, 2011, 07:22:39 PM
Possible Movie Details: SPOILERS

I found this information on a soap-opera website which features American soaps.  I'm not sure if it is reliable, however, it is interesting.  I've copied the entire post.   I tried to hide the spoilers, but I couldn't get it to work with cut-and-paste -- sorry.  If you don't want to read spoilers, please do not read any further.  It is faily lengthy.  Here is is:



Spoilers below! Don't read, if you don't want to know!

Got this several days ago. Haven't had time to share until now. It appears to have been floating around from person to person. Take it worth a grain of salt, I suppose. Still interesting.

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Byron, thought you might enjoy this information. Saw it printed on Gadabout sometime last week. Enjoy!


[spoiler]Angelique, not Barnabas, is the major villain of the film.

Barnabas becomes a sympathetic character almost immediately after being released in 1972.

Angelique is killed near the end of the film.

During the course of the movie, Barnabas is briefly cured of vampirism, but is re-cursed by the dying Angelique.

The 1972 Collins family is accepting of strange Cousin Barnabas, partly because they have lost their fortune, and Barnabas appears to be wealthy.

Victoria Winters is a student of the occult, and has chosen the employ of the Collins family intentionally.

In a 1972 scene, Barnabas has a violent reaction to the decrepit condition of Collinwood Manor.

Barnabas does not kill any of his victims in the script, and no new vampires are created (other than Barnabas, himself).

Angelique kills an important character.

Angelique can fly.

When Angelique initially curses Barnabas in 1772, she does not summon a bat, but a vampire named Cornelius.

Barnabas attempts to escape Cornelius on horseback, while Cornelius pursues him on-foot. Cornelius leaps onto the horse from behind, and attacks Barnabas. The two fall off the horse, which continues to speed away without them. On the ground, the vampire violently and repeatedly bites Barnabas, rendering him life-less. This, in my opinion, is the only truly frightening scene in the script.

David has a brief phone conversation with his mother, but her face is not shown.

In an humorous segment, Barnabas is taught to drive an auto.

Barnabas despises Roger and plans to kill him. Someone talks him out of it.

Barnabas’s costume includes a cape, ring, cane, and oddly, a wide-brimmed hat.

A major character falls from Widow’s Hill in 1972.

Barnabas is chased through the forest by a group of towns-people wielding wooden-stakes and hammers. He finds a strange hiding-place.

An on-going gag, throughout the script, includes a group of hippies who find themselves squatting in several very unfortunate locations.

If one pays attention, some very familiar art-work is seen in the halls of Collinwood Manor.

Angelique and Julia hate one-another for reasons other than Barnabas.

Three actors from the daytime-serial version of Dark Shadows play cameo roles. One is quite a surprise.

A 1970s rock-star also has a cameo, as does a well-known vampire author.

Barnabas can transform into mist and a bat, but has difficulty mastering these powers.

In a 1972 scene, Angelique informs Barnabas that there are other vampires in the world, and that Cornelius is still (for lack of a better word) “alive.”[/spoiler]
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Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on July 19, 2011, 08:05:48 PM
These  are very cool!  Sounds juicy!

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: madscntst on July 19, 2011, 08:50:39 PM
Hi neiljohnson, thanks for the spoilers.  I've elected to read them, knowing there are always pros and cons of doing so, but I appreciate that the members here are given the choice by having a separate thread and a spoiler button!  

Realizing that these may be made up, and we should always take this info with a grain of salt unless we hear it from a credible source, these sound like reasonable plot points.  A few of them are already substantiated, such as

[spoiler]Alice Cooper's cameo and the "hippy" extras[/spoiler]

so we'll see if the rest is true.  I wouldn't be bothered by any of the changes from the original series (or film) if they do turn out to be true.

A couple of general thoughts,
[spoiler]The aspect of the hippies being in the wrong place at the wrong time, as well as Barnabas learning how to drive a car, and maybe not having complete mastery of his powers, sound like a lot of fun and could certainly account for the descriptions of the script being "funny".  They also seem right up Johnny's alley and I could see him having a ball with it!  However, I also like that certain aspects, such as Angelique dying and other major character(s) dying, sound very dark.  I hope they will not be afraid to show the dark nature of the story![/spoiler]

Cathy
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on July 19, 2011, 09:47:25 PM
Thank you for the spoilers. I can't imagine that they are all or will be as stated. The spoiler referring to Victoria Winters is really out there and not consistent with DC's dream and Ms. Scott's purported reading of the script; what Barnabas doesn't do is implausible; [spoiler]no mention of a 200 year old lover character.[/spoiler] There are some spoilers that are very possible. I just can see TB and company allowing unauthoried individual(s) getting hold of plot specifics. I will be disappointed if this is the case.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gerard on July 19, 2011, 10:31:28 PM
Some of the spoilers (if they are true), do show ways of having a sequel, if the film is successful.

Gerard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Brandon Collins on July 19, 2011, 10:49:12 PM
Thanks for posting the spoilers! They are very intriguing and any or all of them could be very plausible parts of the script. The only thing I wonder is who or what the source of the information is. If we knew that, it would definitely lend to or take away from the credibility of the information.

The only thing I don't like is:

[spoiler]That Barnabas doesn't kill his victims. The original series walked the fine line of making Barnabas very dangerous, yet at the same time still likable. If Barnabas doesn't kill his victims then he must have a serious army of people who are loyal to him and can do his bidding. And I'm wondering exactly how many of his victims are members of the Collins family? Since Carolyn and David are both minors here, does he bite Elizabeth? I'm sure he'll probably bite Julia since he'll need her full trust and confidence once they become close, but that doesn't really leave many options.

Also, the spoiler about Victoria Winters is full of great possibilities to move the story to interesting new places. But why is Angelique constantly after Barnabas? Is it just because she's so completely evil that she's holding that horrible of a grudge against Barnabas for breaking her heart all those years ago? The thing that was great about the Barnabas/Angelique relationship in earlier incarnations was the fact that she was so pissed at him for breaking her heart and he only made it worse by continually falling for other women throughout his 200 years, which would instantly bring Angelique back. So if he's not falling for Vicki, is he falling for anyone at all?

Finally, I'm excited to see who exactly dies in the film, besides Angelique (if her death is true). And, we all know that given the history of Angelique's character, her dying doesn't really mean anything at all. I have a hard time thinking of which of the main cast could die at Widows Hill. All of them are so integral to the tone and feeling of the series, I wouldn't want to lose any of them.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: neiljohnson on July 19, 2011, 11:03:52 PM
I'm not sure it is still necessary to hide spoiler content, since this topic is all about spoilers, and members will be coming here specifically to read them.  But, I'll continue to hide, until that is decided.  It will become more and more awkward, however -- as time goes by.  As the months pass, more and more spoilers will undoubtedly escape and be discussed here.  Hiding them all will be a lot of work.  But still . . .

I have concern about one of the claims: [spoiler]"Barnabas becomes a sympathetic character almost immediately after being released in 1972."   I think that is a mistake.  If Barnabas becomes sypathetic too early, then he's not really a threat -- hardly a vampire at all.  I with TPTB would have allowed Barnabas to be the villian of the first film, and then introduced Angelique as the villian of a second film.[/spoiler]

And a question about another: [spoiler]"If one pays attention, some very familiar art-work is seen in the halls of Collinwood Manor."  I'm wondering what that means.  Is this important in some way?  Some deeper meaning?  Out of context, that statement seems meaningless.[/spoiler]

And what about [spoiler]Cornelius?  Could that be a cameo for Christopher Lee or perhaps Mr. Frid?  At their advanced ages, I doubt either would have the physical stamina to carry-off that scene.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: madscntst on July 20, 2011, 12:25:01 AM
I think that Brandon brings up a very good point and I do agree with it.  So maybe I don't actually mean to say that none of the spoilers would bother me  [ghost_wink]  *Most* of them wouldn't, but I also don't want Barn to be a watered-down vampire- I want it to be dark and menacing (I'm one for hoping the film will be R rated, even though I admit there are advantages, mostly monetary, of going for a PG-13 rating). 

As for the artwork, the first thing I thought of was that maybe there would be portraits of Josette, Quentin, Barnabas, Angelique, etc that we'd know from the series.  Not necessarily the original props (though it'd be great if they still existed!!)  but just close enough that fans would recognize them.  And of course, it wouldn't matter if they didn't look like the film's cast members, because they could just be identified as other family ancestors.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on July 20, 2011, 01:42:42 AM
it sounds as if burton is falling into the same trap lara parker did with her novel "the salem branch" also set in 1972...

a heavy reliance on the presence of "hippies". the "summer of love" was in 1967. woodstock 1969. by 1972 it was already becoming an outdated concept and the country was moving in other directions.

i'm assuming one of burton's main reasons for setting the piece here was stylistic concerns. it's strange he's getting this particular detail wrong.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on July 20, 2011, 01:50:01 AM
I'm not sure it is still necessary to hide spoiler content, since this topic is all about spoilers, and members will be coming here specifically to read them.

It is still necessary:  For the readers who don't want to accidentally read them (since there's more than one way to display unread posts, such as "View most recent posts" or "Show unread posts" etc.), and for your hosts, since only one moderator has elected to read these spoilers yet all the other (non-spoiler) content of this topic must still be moderated.  Thanks.  [ghost_smiley]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: KMR on July 20, 2011, 01:56:01 AM
a heavy reliance on the presence of "hippies". the "summer of love" was in 1967. woodstock 1969. by 1972 it was already becoming an outdated concept and the country was moving in other directions.

Having been a teenager in a small town in Michigan in 1972, I could see "hippies" still being a relevant concept in a small town in Maine in 1972.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on July 20, 2011, 02:15:27 AM
BTW, there's a spoiler button above the white response window-- look for Sp in the top row.  When you're ready to add spoilery content, you need only click it.  In most browsers, your cursor will automatically appear between the 2 tags (Explorer requires you to do it yourself), then just type your spoiler (or paste it using Edit/Paste or Ctrl+V).  Hope that helped.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on July 20, 2011, 04:50:11 AM
The way I see it is that the only way to condense 1,125 episodes into a 2 hour movie, as was the goal of the screenplay, and taking into account these potential plot points, is to [spoiler]move the Widows Hill death of Barnabas's love to the present.  If we are to presume that Barnabas loves Victoria, she would logically have to die on Widows Hill.  Then you could build sequels from that point, using the old Josette angle, albeit with a new character.

The only other major character I can see dying on Widows Hill would be Liz, as she had suicidal tendencies.   [ghost_wink]  However Julia would be another possibility.  But, I still have my money on Victoria.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: KMR on July 20, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
Where is it said that the goal was to condense the entire run of DS into a single movie? That is the most bizarre idea I've ever heard of.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Zahir on July 20, 2011, 09:02:52 PM
The thing I'd most like to know is the source of these spoilers.  Where did you read them?  Can  you please (pretty please) provide a link?
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on July 21, 2011, 01:53:37 AM
I have reached the point that the source of these alleged spoilers must immediately be revealed. In my mind there is a difference between a spoiler and a possible spoiler. There needs to be responsibility and identification as to its sources here. My feeling is either produce evidence that these spoilers are in fact spoilers or that this thread be removed in its entirety. I am seriously considering leaving this board.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Brandon Collins on July 21, 2011, 02:26:23 AM
I also asked for the source (website, person who posted them on the website, source before this etc) but was not provided with one. The fact that the source was listed as "a major American soap opera website" is quite suspect.

Nonetheless, if these turn out to not be spoilers at all but mere ideas someone dreamed up, the conversation is still interesting.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on July 21, 2011, 02:47:18 AM
jimbo,

Please let us handle it, and for the time being, since the topic upsets you, then please do follow MB's advice in the main topic and avoid the thread.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on July 21, 2011, 02:59:53 AM
Midnite I do admit this topic/thread has upset me. However, I was fully put on notice and I decided on my own volition to read the spoliers at my own peril. What I would like to know just for my peace of mind are these spoilers based on a blogger's imagination or is it based on an insider who has gone to the dark side. My intellect tells me that TPTB have taken enormous security steps to ensure that the plot specifics are not leaked out to the media. On the other hand my intellect also tells me that plot leaks are not an abberation. If this thread is fantasy based I am OK with it but I would like to know if that is the case. Perhaps the thread should have read possible unsubstantiated spoilers? This is a very difficult balance. I do apologize for over acting as I would never leave this board for any reason.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on July 21, 2011, 03:11:59 AM
Did you fully read MB's statement in the main topic?  It states the same thing you're saying about these being unsubstantiated spoilers, regardless of the topic title.

Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: neiljohnson on July 21, 2011, 03:13:09 AM
Jimbo -- I assume your anger is directed at me.  But, if you will look at my first post in this thread (not the topic title, by MY first post), my heading is "Possible Spoilers."  I agree -- there is a difference between a spoiler and a possible spoiler.  That is why I identified them as POSSIBLE spoilers.  

I have no idea who the original source of this information is, nor do I know where it was originally posted.  I am the person who first posted it here, albeit reluctantly.  Never once did I suggest that this information is true.  However, I did find it exciting and intriguing.  And, I assumed others might also be interested.   Even our moderators posted a disclaimer suggesting that any spoilers may, or may-not, be accurate.

I have no more information on these possible spoilers then what I originally posted -- but, I think one can read between the lines, to some extent.  Perhaps others will do the same, then we can compare notes.  

During the next ten-months, I'm sure there will be many, many spoilers (or possible spoilers) discussed on this site.  So, I see no reason this thread should be deleted -- only to be re-created in the next month or two.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on July 21, 2011, 03:44:05 AM
Midnite I did read MB's statement. He is certainly a wise person. I believe I may have read it after I read the "spoilers".
Neiljohnson: If you know me I am not a hater. This discussion board encourages different points of view. To answer your question I do not know if my "anger" is directed at you or at me or at the spoilers that may turn out to be fact most of which I disagree with. Your subject topic title reads DS spoilers and not possible spoilers although you did subsequently indicate that they may be possible spoilers. If I saw what you did at that site I would have considered posting same. I and others have posted links to articles that contained information that turned out to be false or misleading.  I do not wish to discourage any cousin posting information that they have found. It should be up to the moderators to determine if any posts are objectionable and not me. In my earlier post here I did thank you for posting this topic. It was a very good find and I applaud you for posting it. In my mind a spoiler is defined as as information that has been confirmed as I think we are in agreement with. I just don't know if unsubstantiated spoilers are equal to speculative possible plot spoilers. I am trying to figure that out in my mind if I would post a possible unconfirmed spoiler if I was to come across it. You certainly did nothing wrong here. As I said I will leave it up to the moderators for further guidance. Hope we are all good.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on July 21, 2011, 03:49:31 AM
Even if the spoilers are real spoilers, very little of what has been written may make it to the final cut of the film.  There could be major changes from the shooting script that was passed around to various people early in the year, and what they're now shooting.  Or Burton could decide to make major changes on the spot and completely re-shoot certain sequences.  All bets are off.

Just speaking personally,
[spoiler] if the thing about Ange and Julia hating one another for their own special reasons is true, I'd LOVE to see a re-creation of the infamous Cassandra slap sequence.  Maybe this time, the impudent Witch's Wiglet will go flying and land somewhere spectacularly impertinent... on top of Roger's head, perhaps?[/spoiler]

I have to confess I don't take anything connected with the new movie very seriously.  The plans for the restoration and release of the two original feature films on DVD--now, THAT I take seriously.  I'm still waiting to hear more about the studio properly greenlighting that project.

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: loril54 on July 21, 2011, 03:58:50 AM
I loved you spoiler  [pointing-up]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Zahir on July 21, 2011, 04:04:11 AM
I have no idea who the original source of this information is, nor do I know where it was originally posted.  I am the person who first posted it here, albeit reluctantly.
Can you please share the source where you yourself found these possible spoilers posted?
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on July 21, 2011, 04:10:27 AM
The fact that the source was listed as "a major American soap opera website" is quite suspect.

Brandon, is that a quote from this board?  I don't recall seeing the soap website described as "major."
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on July 21, 2011, 06:13:35 AM
Where is it said that the goal was to condense the entire run of DS into a single movie? That is the most bizarre idea I've ever heard of.

Clearly I didn't mean condensing every single story from the series into the movie.  What foolishness that would be, but it would have to be a pretty creative editing job.   [ghost_wink]  What I meant, as what both Burton and Depp have stated, is that they are trying to condense the basic plotlines (yes, they mention the number of episodes, or, at least, the authors of the articles have) of the series into a two hour film, meaning they have to pick and choose the elements from the series which make the "whole" of Dark Shadows.  Finding the essence of the series in all of its various plotlines and streamlining the core tale is what the stated objective has always been.   
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Brandon Collins on July 22, 2011, 12:25:33 AM
The fact that the source was listed as "a major American soap opera website" is quite suspect.

Brandon, is that a quote from this board?  I don't recall seeing the soap website described as "major."

I was paraphrasing. I was talking about the line in neiljohnson's first post containing the spoilers where he says that he found the spoilers on "a soap opera website that features American soaps." It may be true that this website is not a "major" one, I was just going on memory of what I read. I apologize for misspeaking.

Regarding the spoiler Gothick was talking about and the idea presented, I love it as well! That would be a fantastic scene to recreate in the film, and I'm sure there would be plenty of instances where it could happen.

Ultimately, I hope that [spoiler] Barnabas is not defanged, as it were, and actually packs some punch in this film. The original show did an excellent job of walking the line of making us hate Barnabas even if his actions were justifiable, and make us love Barnabas when we weren't sure if we should or not. This, to me, is an important aspect in storytelling because it allows you to really make a character grow and evolve. [/spoiler]

Also, now that I've been thinking about it [spoiler] they couldn't really kill off anyone too major in the first film without at least introducing other family members to include in a potential sequel. The major characters are very few here, as there aren't many direct relatives of the Collins family left from what we can see according to the cast listing. I would imagine that Burton and co. would want to keep the cast around as more box office draw for a potential second film. But then, Burton is not famous for making sequels to his movies so who's to say that a sequel would even happen? And if it did, and they replaced Burton what would that mean for our beloved series? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on July 22, 2011, 03:09:43 PM
although it would not be possible to "condense the entire run of DS" into a single movie what remakes of the original series...be it the 1991 revival, or the 2004 pilot(which i haven't seen), or this film(given the plot synopsis we've been given)...seem to try to do is condense the highlights of the first year and a half or so into an understandable story.

the introduction of the main collins family, victoria's arrival at collinwood, willie's release of barnabas, the introduction of julia hoffman, a conjuring up of angelique and a taste of the backstory of the whole thing with some sort of flashback to 1795(or, in the case of this film 1772). that seems to be about as far as we can get given the perimeters of a two hour film or the first season of a television series.

they don't attempt to get into the post 1795 plotting during the introductory period. it's too complex. the adam/eve/nicholas blair stuff isn't mentioned. if given the opportunity it would appear that they would like to jump ahead to the quentin storyline. apparently the 1991 series was going to introduce that in season two but it was cancelled. the thing with quentin is that he's a PROTAGONIST. he dominates his surroundings and requires his own storyline for his character to be understood properly. he can't just be hastily written into the background of the barnabas storyline as a supporting player. that's why he wasn't in the 1991 series during the first season and that's why he's not in this film. if a sequel is produced he, and not barnabas, might be the highlighted character.

as far as the program's later, and often questionable storylines, like leviathans and parallel-time, i don't know if any future version of the show would even attempt to get into that or create new storylines.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: borgosi on July 22, 2011, 09:05:01 PM
They say that "a rose by anyother name would smell as sweet", well the flip side of that is if you change it's look and it's scent, it's no longer a rose. If these spoilers are true, we no longer have a rose. [ghost_sad]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on July 22, 2011, 10:32:27 PM
Interesting observations about Quentin, michael c.  I really wonder how they would handle him in a film.  They could introduce him in the sequel, of course, but that may even be too soon.  I'd imagine they'd want to build Barnabas up more before letting another leading man enter the series.  A second sequel would seem like a good entrance for Quentin.  But... that is if we are lucky enough to even get a first sequel!   

As for a direct sequel to this, based on the spoliers we have...
[spoiler]I can really see the next rival for Barnabas Collins being David's mother - since she is introduced, but unseen.  Unless, of course, she doesn't have any supernatural powers.  But that would be in direct contrast with every previous version of the show.  I think bringing back her Phoenix routes would make for great cinema and a wonderful story. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Brandon Collins on July 23, 2011, 05:05:26 AM
If Quentin were brought in to a movie, it would definitely have to be a big event. Quentin's storyline was so massive in the original series that it would require a lot of focus from the film. I think an interesting way to bring Quentin in would be to have him and Barnabas already have some sort of history, and Barnabas would need to rescue him from something or whatever. It would also provide for a lot of flashbacks to build the story and could open up an avenue for Quentin's story to be told. Perhaps introducing him in a second sequel (or the third movie) like Cousin Barnabas suggested would be a good idea. If they used Laura as the antagonist in the sequel to the first movie, Quentin could be alluded to or introduced minutely as a past lover of Laura (like he was in 1897 in the original series). He could appear in flashbacks and then really take center stage in the third movie.

However, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves in placing hope in two sequels that may not ever come to fruition at all. More than likely, if this is a viable franchise, Burton would hopefully want to continue it with the support of the production company. But, I'm really expecting just a one movie deal and to be finished with it. If enough interest is piqued from the film, perhaps Warner Brothers will once again try to reboot the property in a television series, and this time it would grow some legs and be a runaway hit!
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on July 23, 2011, 05:26:57 AM
It took them something like five years to schedule making the one movie, so I don't know about sequels.

Unless Burton is sneaky and does something like the legendary Three Musketeers shoot in the Seventies (where they actually shot TWO movies, the original film and the sequel, but told everyone it was just the one movie).

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: borgosi on July 23, 2011, 02:38:42 PM
I've always believed it would take three movies to tell Barnabas' story. I was hoping they would shoot all three at the same time just because I didn't want an open ended ending. I think if this movie is a hit it wouldn't take near as long to get another. But after reading these spoilers I'm hoping it made by someone else, if some of them are true.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on July 24, 2011, 04:30:05 AM
Unless I missed it I don't believe us cousins here have been provided with the requested link to the "soap-opera website which features American soaps" that the "possible spoilers" are from. I don't believe in the alternative that the website has been identified.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on July 24, 2011, 11:15:12 PM
jimbo,

Please let us handle it,

 [ghost_smiley]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: usffan on July 29, 2011, 06:35:19 AM
I find it interesting that the same set of spoilers (verbatim) have now appeared on two sites:

http://www.vampires.com/christopher-lee-in-dark-shadows/

http://www.blogofdarkshadows.com/2011/07/25/dark-shadows-movie-spoilers/

Both of those sites are dated after this thread began, so they are clearly not the original source.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on July 29, 2011, 07:08:05 AM
It appears that after they were posted here, someone copied them and posted them on Facebook, and apparently from there they flew across the Internet in a matter of days. For better or worse, dozens upon dozens of DS/Depp/Horror-related sites now have them. Which makes it very hard to avoid reading them. But so far I have.  [ghost_wink]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Nicky on July 30, 2011, 10:51:37 PM
Cassandra slap?  Yes please.   [ghost_grin]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on July 30, 2011, 11:42:55 PM
Which makes it very hard to avoid reading them. But so far I have.  [ghost_wink]

 [ghost_cheesy]  And that is hard to do, especially with all of your research on this project!

But, I do really still question their veracity.  It could be one of Burton's crew trying to throw us off the scent.   [ghost_wink]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on July 31, 2011, 01:59:26 AM
Indeed, the spoilers have gone viral.

I said we'd look into the issue and feel I've learned as much as I can.  But first, to be clear, it was never my intent to investigate the veracity of the spoilers and I never attempted to prove or disprove them.  My concern was that a claim made by neiljohnson (that he copied the spoilers verbatim from a soap board) had created tensions here and based on my experience on this board in all its incarnations, the situation seemed close to becoming a flame war; therefore, I hoped to be able to verify (only) that the spoilers were copied from an online public board.  I didn't even plan to cite the url in this thread, but just wanted to help ease the tensions; MB and I have steadfastly maintained that we do not police outside links.

There IS a post, submitted anonymously on a soap board, that predates this thread by 4 - 5 days, but the IP in the post is displayed and is identical to neiljohnson's.  Since I lack any evidence to show that he copied the spoilers from another site, unfortunately I'm unable to believe the claim.  But for sure I didn't think for a second that he's a troll or fabricated the spoilers, and I'm aware of his numerous contributions to other posting boards.  I feel only he can say for sure where he got them, and he was given every opportunity to show that he had been truthful and was informed that his account could otherwise be compromised (as a condition of registration, posters are required to agree to the Forum Guidelines, and therefore agree to not post information that is false or inaccurate), but it was his decision to not cooperate with the site administrators.  A warning was issued, but it was not because of any anti-spoiler sentiment.  The spoilers are not going to be removed and spoilers posted down the line won't be discouraged.

Regarding the tensions created by those past and future spoilers, I understand that many of us are emotionally invested in the DS movie, but please, that's no reason to let those emotions get the best of us.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on July 31, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
Midnite I would like to thank you and MB for all of your hard work looking into this matter and protecting the integrity of the board. The whole thing is just unfortunate and disappointing. I wish that neiljohnson had cooperated with the board as that would have possibly resolved the matter in its entirety. I hope that he will still cooperate.  He seemed very passionate about the new movie. The spoilers have indeed gone viral. I see most discussion type boards linking to the blogofdarkshadows article. I did not see any spoiler linked articles on FB and I wouldn't post these possible spoilers on my FB page. I just hope that these possible spoilers do not turn out to be true.
Thanks again.
Jimbo
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on August 10, 2011, 06:43:58 AM
Someone who has allegedly been on the set of the film has posted this on the IMDB message board, and I thought I'd share it, because it made me think back to these spoilers:    

"With that said, I will say that I was impressed with their attention to detail and that the gothic-ness is very much present. Lots of fog machines, bodies and eerie lighting!"

I am not a member of the site nor do I really follow the postings that closely, so I cannot vouch for the legitimacy of the post, but I do find it interesting that the poster mentions [spoiler]bodies, when, according to these spoilers, Barnabas doesn't kill anyone.  Who knows where all of these bodies could be coming from. [/spoiler] So, assuming this information is factual, it made me again question these spoilers.  It's so hard to figure out what is real and what isn't, and if two seemingly conflicting bits of information can co-exist, or if we're all just getting the runaround.  As always, this information is just making me more anxious to see some official photo releases.  If this report turns out to be true, it will be interesting to see the final look of this movie.  
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on August 14, 2011, 07:41:13 PM
This is interesting:

Study: Spoilers May Not Ruin Viewer Enjoyment (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Spoilers-Ruin-Enjoyment-1036374.aspx)

Though, personally, I still prefer not to know.  [ghost_wink]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Josette on August 15, 2011, 08:42:24 AM
There have been times with mysteries or stories with twist endings where it is fun to watch it again, knowing the outcome, and then finding lots of details that didn't particularly mean anything special the first time around.  However, I would still want the suspense of not knowing the first time.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on August 16, 2011, 02:41:12 AM
spoilers don't freak me out as much as some...

when i first started watching DS from episode one one of the first things i did was buy KLS's 'dark shadows memories' which i promptly read from cover to cover.

it includes a complete summarization of the show's entire five year run as well as a full episode guide. so i knew from pretty much the outset that most of the original plots get dropped, that eventually a vampire, a witch and a werewolf show up, that the story starts to yo-yo back and forth in time and that it all eventually ends in a "parallel-time" with absolutely no connection to the opening plots and characters.

you know what? knowing all of that didn't diminish for a moment my enjoyment of actually watching the series. having a general outline of something and actually seeing it are two different things.
fans of the original series who then watched the 1991 version when that came on likely didn't enjoy it less even though they "knew" alot of what was going to happen because it followed the original storyline to a large extent.

so thus far the "spoilers" we've been given on the film haven't been troublesome for me. that said i do hope for some surprises and i definitely DON'T want to know the ending.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Miss_Winthrop on August 28, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
I wasn't able to find the spoiler thing-a-majig that Midnite allueded to earlier. I apologize now.  

[spoiler]I find the idea of Barnabas hating Roger interesting since that never happened in the original series even when Roger conducted the search on the old house looking for a coffin (more than once as I recall).  Barnabas could never hate a member of the Collinses but came close to it because of David's interference IMO.  The talk on the phone between David and his mother has me hungry for more details on that aspect of it also.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on August 28, 2011, 10:21:11 PM
Reply #12 explains how to locate and use the Spoiler (Sp) button.  If it helps, look 2 rows above the smileys.  [ghost_smiley]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Miss_Winthrop on September 02, 2011, 01:45:07 PM
Aha! Thanks for this info.  I think the problem happens when I want to quote on a post that happened much earlier.  Often times I want to keep reading and then respond to a quote by which time I've forgotten how far back I saw the original quote...phew!
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gerard on September 02, 2011, 02:38:53 PM
I actually enjoy upcoming movie and TV spoilers posted all over the internet - they're fun.  And they're usually wrong anyway.  I remember when Cloverfield was getting ready to premier and they went to great pains to hide images of the Manhattan-eating monster from view until one was sitting in a theater seat and actually got to see it ruining everyone's day in the Big Apple.  Yet, all over the world-wide-web, there were "leaked" descriptions, "photos" and drawings of it.  And not one of them was true.

I sometimes wonder if movie studies are behind some of these untrue "leaks" just to spark up interest in an upcoming film.  It's an ingenious way to spread publicity to hundreds of millions all for free.

Gerard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Miranda on September 14, 2011, 04:59:29 PM
My son showed me a photo online of Johnny on the set dressed as Barnabas, looked like modern time, and I THINK he was walking with his girlfriend Vanessa, his face and hair looked more like Michael Jackson, but he seemed to have the Inverness cape on, yikes!! Sorry, do not have the link but the person had gotten it from yet another source and even said Johnny looked like Michael Jackson in the picture, oh, me, oh, my.....
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on September 14, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
Miranda, that discussion is in the topic about the movie production, with links starting at what's currently 4 pages in at reply #1010:

Re: (**CAN IT REALLY BE?! Reply #1010**) Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!

Finally!!
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on September 25, 2011, 04:16:38 AM
Having looked at the unofficial shooting scene shot on the beach, it confirms one of the spoilers and gives credence to the other spoilers imo
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Zahir on September 25, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
Jimbo--have you taken a gander at the official cast photo?
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on September 25, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
My viewing of the official cast photo takes nothing away from a very specific spoiler (a description of one of the characters). Unless of course the unofficial photos are all part of a TB joke and will not be included in the movie. If you still believe I may have misread/misinterpreted something please let me know. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: madscntst on December 03, 2011, 01:33:48 AM
WARNING--- there is a major PLOT SPOILER here, but there is another clip with HBC in which she talks a little more about DS.  Since it's on the internet anyway, and folks might come across it, I figured it'd be better to warn people in case they want to stay away to avoid spoilers:

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/helena-bonham-carter-honored-at-baftas/62wih83 (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/helena-bonham-carter-honored-at-baftas/62wih83)
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on December 03, 2011, 01:43:56 AM
Thanks madscntst. It confirms yet another spoiler found in the spoiler topic thread here.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on December 03, 2011, 02:21:42 AM
my computer is very slow and it would take hours to download the clip...

could someone post, in the spoiler box of course, what is being revealed?
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on December 03, 2011, 04:33:30 AM
michael c, Helena reveals--

[spoiler]that Barnabas kills Julia during the action of the movie, by draining her of her blood.  Of course, given that it's DS, that doesn't necessarily mean that Julia is dead and gone for good--nor that the only way she could return would be as a vampire![/spoiler]

Sounds as if it's going to be quite a ride.  I did not know that yet ANOTHER remake of Great Expectations has just been done, and Helena plays Miss Havisham--apparently she just finished shooting that.

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on December 03, 2011, 05:29:38 AM
Please ignore the second part of my last post, 57. I was absolutely mistaken. My apologies.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on December 03, 2011, 07:29:23 AM
That is something I didn't want to know...

But, as Gothick points out,
[spoiler]it doesn't mean she won't be back in possible sequels.  I mean...  I hope, if there are sequels, she will be.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on December 03, 2011, 07:58:05 AM
That is something I didn't want to know...

Then you must try to cultivate the willpower not to read spoilers.  [santa_smiley]

I'm still blissfully ignorant of what HBC said in the new video - and I plan to remain that way.  [santa_wink]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on December 03, 2011, 08:11:18 AM
Haha, MB!  Alas, my will is not as strong as yours!  Then again, I was not expecting her to say anything on the level of what she said.  That went beyond anything I'd imagine an actor would reveal about this movie.  What happened to those confidentiality papers?!   [santa_cheesy]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on December 03, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
Cousin Barnabas my will is weak as well. I also did not expect HBC to drop a bomb shell of a spoiler in that quick interview.  Someone needs to control what she reveals about the movie.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on December 03, 2011, 04:38:45 PM
Re Helena's tendency to run at the mouth... I suppose being married to the director has its perks... though I imagine Tim is FURIOUS with her at revealing that. 

The Great Expectations thing doesn't really count because anyone who has read the novel or seen one of the 99 other film versions (though to me, the 1947 film with the Divine Martita Hunt as Miss Havisham IS definitive) knows what happens to Miss Havisham.

For those who play the spoiler, bear in mind that what she spoke of could be presented in any number of ways in the completed film.  It could play out as part of a dream or nightmare sequence, for example.  As I wrote, where DS is concerned, you never know!

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on December 03, 2011, 05:31:12 PM
I imagine Tim is FURIOUS with her at revealing that.

I would imagine that as well - especially when one considers that once something gets said on the Internet, it spreads like wildfire. Heavens only knows how many other Web sites are going to pick up her remarks. They're not likely to simply remain on that one site.

Quote
For those who play the spoiler, bear in mind that what she spoke of could be presented in any number of ways in the completed film.  It could play out as part of a dream or nightmare sequence, for example.  As I wrote, where DS is concerned, you never know!

Or it may not even end up in the finished film. Plenty of things are shot for every film but end up on the cutting room floor for one reason or another. And if what HBC talked about happens late in the film, there's always a possibility it could be left out without ruining the continuity of the film. Just look at how many DVDs include extras that show alternate ways the end of the film could have been edited, the Director's Cut Blu-ray of The Wolfman being but one recent example. (For one, prior to that film's release, it could have been reported that Emily Blunt's character gets bitten by the werewolf - and it would have been true because a sequence like that was shot - but it never ended up in the film.)

Like so many other things with this film, only time will tell...

159 days 11 hours 28 minutes 48 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on December 03, 2011, 06:08:10 PM
Of course, another thing to keep in mind: focus groups. If what HBC talks about is included in the test version of the film and it's a real downer plotwise and/or a controversial twist, and test audiences hate it, it could find itself out of the film - and along with it any other scenes or references associated with it...

159 days 10 hours 51 minutes 50 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on December 04, 2011, 02:24:12 PM
carter's spoiler is much more of a plot twist than i thought would be revealed in the situation. i sort of regret reading it now.

[spoiler]still i'm not that surprised. this isn't a series remember. even though some sort of sequels have been suggested there's really nothing to prevent several characters from being killed off in this movie. it's not like they need to go back on air the next day. didn't we hear that angelique would die too? and even another character? i suppose that could be some sort of vicki/josette thing?[spoiler]

i highly doubt depp has the time for a sequel anyways. if it ends up being produced maybe it will focus on the younger characters.or perhaps some sort of quentin storyline.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: KMR on December 05, 2011, 05:41:04 PM
Well of course, people should also remember that in HoDS...
[spoiler]a goodly number of well-established characters from the original series were disposed of![/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Willie Loomis on December 05, 2011, 05:59:08 PM
[spoiler]Carter never mentioned the name Julia in the interview.  She just said he kills her, draining her of her blood.  Possibly, she plays another character in flashback era?  Besides, Julia was strangled by Barnabas in the first movie as well.   [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on December 06, 2011, 01:35:24 AM
HoDS and Depp Shadows spoilers/speculation follow:

[spoiler]While it's true that Jula was strangled, it didn't mean she died - at least from what we saw in the film.   [santa_wink]  A sequel could have easily resurrected the character.  They could have even brought Carolyn back.  She could get unstaked and subsequently be cured by Julia Hoffman.  Similarly with this project, Julia could be resurrected as a vampire or through some other force. And, if there are sequels, I hope she will be.  And, as pointed out, it may not even be a "real" Julia.  This could be a dream or a flashback or something...  It's interesting nonetheless, as it contradicts the earlier spoiler that Barnabas doesn't kill anyone.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on December 12, 2011, 12:20:16 AM
Willie Loomis,

I've had similar thoughts about what Helena said.

[spoiler]If Bella plays Josette in an extended flashback sequence in the 18th century, Helena may play Countess du Pres.  And the scene to which Helena alluded may have had to do with the fate of the Countess, rather than Julia.  [/spoiler]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out once the movie is actually released!

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Heather on December 12, 2011, 09:32:34 AM
Now that would be an interesting twist G....I can't wait to see how this film turns out! :)
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: LdyAnne on December 29, 2011, 04:26:29 AM
I've had similar thoughts about what Helena said.

[spoiler]If Bella plays Josette in an extended flashback sequence in the 18th century, Helena may play Countess du Pres.  And the scene to which Helena alluded may have had to do with the fate of the Countess, rather than Julia.[/spoiler]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out once the movie is actually released!

I agree this is a wait and see because things can change in the cutting room and if actors play more than one characters

Ldyanne
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on December 29, 2011, 04:53:25 AM
as we know the actors portraying joshua and naomi do not have any "present time" counterparts...

and nothing thus far has indicated or even suggested that the main 1972 actors will play duel roles with characters from the 18th century.

in fact everything we've heard would imply that the piece is largely set in 1972.

so if a helena bohnam carter character [spoiler]bites the dust here i think one can safely assume it's doctor hoffman. sorry julia-philes. [santa_lipsrsealed][/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: KMR on December 29, 2011, 08:57:23 PM
I certainly hope they didn't do any of the "repertory company" kind of casting that was done in the original and 1991 series.  In the original series, it was really essential, because they needed to keep their actors busy (and not hire new ones).  In the 1991 series, since they included scenes from both 1790 and 1991 in each episode, it might have worked a little better to cast different actors in most of the parts, but it was fun to see the actors play two different characters.

With the movie being a one-off, I think it would only confuse audiences to see the same actors play different characters in the past and "present".  Much better to just have an actor assigned to one role, unless there is a very specific story reason to have them play two roles, such as with a reincarnation.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on December 30, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
There's been talk of Bella Heathcote playing a dual role as both Vicki and Josette (or simply the ghost of Josette?).  If Heathcote has scenes as Josette set during the 18th century, Helena could also have a dual role and play Natalie as well.  I am sure Helena would have a lot of fun with that part.  I somehow imagine her performance owing more to Barbara Steele's version of Natalie than Grayson's... they were sharply different characters...

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on March 14, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
This link was posted to another site.  It's a review from someone who attended the test screening.  Beware there are plot SPOILERS, mostly for the early parts of the story:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54274

For those who do not wish to read, this viewer saw the movie as a comedy, and a successful one in that there were lots of laughs.  The final comment was that the only way the movie could fail to be a hit is if the studio *doesn't* market it as a comedy.

Regards, G.

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Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: neiljohnson on March 14, 2012, 02:47:23 PM
How two people can claim to be fans of the original show, and then focus on comedy, is simply beyond me. Of all the characteristics of the original series one could name, I think comedy would be mighty low on the list.  Over the years, we've all come to expect this sort of thing from people who weren't fans of TOS, but this comes from two guys who claim to be part of us. 

As Andy Griffith used to say, "Don't that beat all?  Don't that just beat all?"

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Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Phil on March 14, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54274

"...this version is most definitely a comedy, and a pretty damned funny one."

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Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 14, 2012, 03:39:49 PM
Admin Note:

Even though this is a spoiler topic, Midnite and I would please ask that none of the specifics of the scenes mentioned in the aintitcool.com article be discussed. Firstly, that site may not respect the non-disclosure agreement that people had to sign, but we do. And secondly, while Midnite doesn't mind general spoilers, she'd really like to not have the story spilled before the movie opens when she can see it for herself! And she can't avoid reading this topic because I'm already avoiding it. So, we would appreciate it if you respect our wishes.  [snow_smiley]  There will be plenty of time to discuss specifics about the film after it comes out.  [snow_wink]

Thanks,
MB
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Phil on March 14, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
Either the reviewer had a short attention span or they've made a BIG change...

[spoiler]Michelle Pfeiffer plays Elizabeth, matriarch of the Collins clan, who lives in the mansion with her ineffectual husband, Roger (Johnny Lee Miller), and their two children, David (Gulliver McGrath) and Carolyn (Chloe Moretz).[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Gothick on March 14, 2012, 04:29:12 PM
Sorry if I upset you and Midnite by posting the link, MB.  I didn't think the spoilers were all that much beyond what is stated in the official synopsis released long ago by TPTB, but perhaps you've even avoided reading that.  I seem to lack the faculty for being spoilt--or even understanding what is meant by "spoiler," and I do try to play it safe here.

To Phil, I had the same thoughts you did about that character's fate in the film.  It might have been done deliberately as an homage by Burton.  I don't know that the screenwriter is DS savvy enough to come up with such thing.  I guess we'll all see when the movie actually comes out.

G.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 14, 2012, 04:54:15 PM
Probably needless to say, I haven't read the aintitcool.com piece - I was simply judging by the warning in your post that it contains plot spoilers.  [snow_wink]  On the other hand, I have read the synopsis, so if that's all there is to their piece, it would be fine. Though I suspect there is more to the piece than just that because I've since read a few PMs/e-mails warning us about it.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Richard on March 14, 2012, 05:07:05 PM
Dark Shadows was always underpinned by literary roots. Underneath the soap and the Gothic horror, there is epic tragedy. The new feature film should be a Wuthering Heights, instead it's a comedy with a drag-queen substituted for the Shakespearean lead.

Crossing The Addams Family with The Rocky Horror Picture Show is not Dark Shadows.

I don't like Tim Burton's flamboyant fetish comedies, and I despise Johnny Depp's drag-queen mentality. They trivialize every story they touch, and I wish they'd stop.

Warner Brothers stalled Dan Curtis for years. I don't care what anybody tells you, the young execs did not want Curtis, they just wanted to do their own thing with his intellectual property. They muscled him out, and then they waited until he died so that they could turn Dark Shadows into a Tim Burton franchise. And they will relish the moment that their "grandmother's generation" reacts to the put-down. That's the sort of people they are at Warner Brothers.

The people responsible for this film disgust me, and I don't care who knows it.


Richard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on March 14, 2012, 07:21:28 PM
Sorry if I upset you and Midnite by posting the link, MB.  I didn't think the spoilers were all that much beyond what is stated in the official synopsis released long ago by TPTB, but perhaps you've even avoided reading that.  I seem to lack the faculty for being spoilt--or even understanding what is meant by "spoiler," and I do try to play it safe here.

A nondisclosure agreement includes all information that isn't publicly known at the time of disclosure, so "all that much beyond," while it might not seem like a big deal to a casual reader, IS a violation, and I did learn that there are indeed details in the report on aintitcool.com that constitute a violation of the confidentiality agreement.  (Many thanks to ProfStokes for cleverly avoiding the issue with her careful choice of YouTube clips.)  I understand your frustration, Gothick, but we're stepping into legal territory with any report that violates the NDA, so while we don't police off-site links, please understand the position of MB and myself when we seek to prevent the discussion of them here.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: RachelDrummand on March 14, 2012, 07:25:09 PM
I agree with you, Richard and the fact that this will clearly be a comedy makes me sick. For awhile I had hopes that the yay sayers were right and that it wasn't going to be THAT funny but it looks like I'm wrong. What gives me pause is the legions of original fans who are ready to embrace such a thing. And you know I saw the 2004 pilot at a DS fest. I didn't care for it because I didn't feel it was true to Dan Curtis' vision either BUT I think that was more faithful than what this train wreck will likely be.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: KMR on March 14, 2012, 07:27:08 PM
Warner Brothers stalled Dan Curtis for years. I don't care what anybody tells you, the young execs did not want Curtis, they just wanted to do their own thing with his intellectual property. They muscled him out, and then they waited until he died so that they could turn Dark Shadows into a Tim Burton franchise. And they will relish the moment that their "grandmother's generation" reacts to the put-down. That's the sort of people they are at Warner Brothers.

As I understand it, making the DS movie wasn't any Warner Bros. execs' idea, it was Johnny Depp's.  Johnny Depp was the one who wanted to make the movie, and ended up at Warner Bros.  It was Johnny, not Warner, that wanted Tim aboard, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Phil on March 14, 2012, 07:40:02 PM

As I understand it, making the DS movie wasn't any Warner Bros. execs' idea, it was Johnny Depp's.  Johnny Depp was the one who wanted to make the movie, and ended up at Warner Bros.  It was Johnny, not Warner, that wanted Tim aboard, wasn't it?

Correct. Depp owned the rights and could have taken it to whatever studio he wished. And his producing partner Graham King is 52.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: PennyDreadful on March 14, 2012, 07:57:44 PM
Dark Shadows was always underpinned by literary roots. Underneath the soap and the Gothic horror, there is epic tragedy. The new feature film should be a Wuthering Heights, instead it's a comedy with a drag-queen substituted for the Shakespearean lead.

Crossing The Addams Family with The Rocky Horror Picture Show is not Dark Shadows.



I agree with you 100% and am very saddened by what I've heard thus far.  I had high hopes because Burton and Depp both claimed to be huge fans of the classic series.  If what I'm hearing is correct, I don't understand their decision in the slightest. 

As Barnabas would say, "you betrayed me!!"
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Richard on March 14, 2012, 07:58:40 PM
Dan Curtis negotiated with MGM / WB to make a Dark Shadows feature film. He was unwilling to surrender creative control. The studios may have had Depp and Burton in mind the whole while, who knows.

I agree with you, Richard and the fact that this will clearly be a comedy makes me sick. For awhile I had hopes that the yay sayers were right and that it wasn't going to be THAT funny but it looks like I'm wrong. What gives me pause is the legions of original fans who are ready to embrace such a thing. And you know I saw the 2004 pilot at a DS fest. I didn't care for it because I didn't feel it was true to Dan Curtis' vision either BUT I think that was more faithful than what this train wreck will likely be.

In the one discussion I had with Dan Curtis, he expressed his disappointment in the first reboot and his disgust in the second reboot. There were creative control arguments, and he regretted making the concessions he made. He did not like the direction discussions were going in for a Dark Shadows feature. Watch that interview with Curtis on The Night Stalker / The Night Strangler DVD for his thoughts on the subject. I think Curtis realized that MGM and Warner Brothers wanted the intellectual property but not his involvement.

Richard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Richard on March 14, 2012, 08:11:45 PM
I agree with you 100% and am very saddened by what I've heard thus far.  I had high hopes because Burton and Depp both claimed to be huge fans of the classic series.  If what I'm hearing is correct, I don't understand their decision in the slightest. 

As Barnabas would say, "you betrayed me!!"

Crossing The Addams Family with The Rocky Horror Picture Show reflects their orientation, the way they see things and do things, rather than a conscious decision. To Depp and Burton, Dark Shadows has always been camp comedy. They observe the flaws resulting from tight schedules and low budgets, and the unintentional humor arising from the dated style of the 1960s, and they think that's what the program is about. It provides them with fodder to ridicule and mock. They made a fetish out of the program long before the camera cranked. The dramatic story is incidental to Depp and Burton.

Their orientation is the very reason they are the wrong people to make the film.

Richard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Richard on March 14, 2012, 08:16:33 PM

As I understand it, making the DS movie wasn't any Warner Bros. execs' idea, it was Johnny Depp's.  Johnny Depp was the one who wanted to make the movie, and ended up at Warner Bros.  It was Johnny, not Warner, that wanted Tim aboard, wasn't it?

Correct. Depp owned the rights and could have taken it to whatever studio he wished.

Wrong.
Wrong as in incorrect.

[edited by admin]

Reviving Dark Shadows with a definitive feature film was Dan Curtis' idea before Depp and Burton got control of it.


Richard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Nancy on March 14, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
Yes, that is what Depp has said in the press and in other interviews.  The Dan Curtis Estate has control of the license and is protective of where that license/rights go.  Obviously they are quite aware of the style of films Depp and Burton make.  Anyone who saw the 1991 Revival, which Curtis was intimately involved with, knows that Curtis was willing to go in other directions with his beloved DS.  It should come as a surprise to no one that the Curtis estate would allow Burton and Depp to have a license to rework DS.

Nancy

As I understand it, making the DS movie wasn't any Warner Bros. execs' idea, it was Johnny Depp's.  Johnny Depp was the one who wanted to make the movie, and ended up at Warner Bros.  It was Johnny, not Warner, that wanted Tim aboard, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on March 14, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
Sarcasm directed at other posters is both unproductive and unwelcome.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Richard on March 14, 2012, 08:45:14 PM
It's a shame Dan Curtis didn't get make his feature film of Dark Shadows. He was willing to go in other directions, but turning Dark Shadows into a drag queen comedy was not one of them. And although he was involved in the reboots, he wasn't happy with them, and he knew he could do better.

Let's hope his estate is more discriminating next time and does not permit another slur such as this to happen again.


Richard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: madscntst on March 14, 2012, 08:49:24 PM
As I said earlier in the non-spoiler thread, I am a longtime fan of both DS (I used to run home from school...) and Burton/Depp.  While I agree with much of what y'all are saying here with regard to disappointment in hearing that this is pretty much a comedy, I would personally not go so far as to say it's sickening.  If it's not your/our cup of tea, that's fine, but it doesn't destroy the OS or the fans of the OS.  I will be seeing the film on opening weekend regardless, and if I don't like it, then so be it, but at worst, it'll be a disappointment for what could have been.  It won't change how I feel about DS.

Depp bought the rights, so he made the film that he envisioned, and for him, this meant bringing Burton on board.  I truly believe that he is honoring DS in his own way, and I really don't feel that he had any intention of trivializing the show.  Here is a question, though-- Jim Pierson was involved in this production, so what is his responsibility in all of this??  If anyone would serve as a spokesman for what Dan Curtis Productions would want, isn't it him?  Now, it could be that he was against the film's direction and got vetoed.  But it'd be interesting to learn later on how much input he actually had.  (Though if he was against the film, I doubt it would ever be made public).  For most other films, a lot has been written about both Burton and Depp wanting to honor the source material.  Ed Wood's widow visited the set of that film and was asked what she thought, Sondheim was involved with Sweeney Todd, and they spoke with the family of Roald Dahl for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and so on.  Maybe this time was different, I dunno.  But I just can't believe they would have deliberately wanted to thumb their nose at the OS.

Finally, I disagree with those who seem to think that all Burton/Depp films are silly parodies.  Maybe this one will be, but I count Sweeney Todd among my favorite horror films, and it was anything but silly or disrespectful.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: madscntst on March 14, 2012, 08:54:40 PM
P.S. I haven't heard any of the feedback mentioning any drag queen sequences. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on March 14, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
 [pointing-up]

[hello]

Well said, madscntst.  I don't think any of us have enough information to judge this film unless we have seen it for ourselves.  So, while discussion about what we may or may not like is fine, it's really just speculative up to this point.  Because, until we actually see the film, we really don't know if it is respectful to the original or not.   [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Richard on March 14, 2012, 09:04:23 PM
I assure you the film is not respectful of the original series.

Depp and Burton's idea of respect is not my idea of respect.

Further, I don't believe Dan Curtis would like this film.

Every part Depp plays is in flamboyant clothes and headgear and face paint, way over the top, like a drag queen. When you see the film, and his makeup, you'll see what I mean.

It's sad that so many people are going to accept this garbage as Dark Shadows.

It is NOT Dark Shadows, and that's that.


Richard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Phil on March 14, 2012, 09:06:17 PM

Reviving Dark Shadows with a definitive feature film was Dan Curtis' idea before Depp and Burton got control of it.

Somewhere around 1970, I think...?


Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Richard on March 14, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
Was that sarcasm, Phil?

Sarcasm directed at other posters is both unproductive and unwelcome.

No, I'm referring to the 1990s negotiations and the early 2000s negotiations.

Understand that I cherish Dark Shadows and I respect Dan Curtis.


Richard
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Phil on March 14, 2012, 09:14:03 PM
But in all seriousness, why must Curtis' "vision" be strictly adhered to in the first place? The Dark Shadows we know and love exists only because Curtis threw a Hail Mary pass on a show he was sure was going to be canceled. I don't need every version of Dark Shadows to open with "a girl on a train" just because that was in a dream Dan Curtis had. And if there wasn't a large faction of fans who loved the silliness and the mishaps, there wouldn't be a collection of bloopers on DVD, or ACTUAL drag shows lampooning the series AT FAN CONVENTIONS.

There's no one way to engage a piece of entertainment. Your way isn't automatically the "correct" way. I met several women at DS fests who told me they, well, engaged themselves while watching the show as teens. And there they were attending a fest 40 years later. Is their passion for the show any less valid than anyone else's? I think Burton and Depp are playing dress up and celebrating the things they loved about the property, and maybe adding a little bit along the way. In any event, robotically recreating the events of the original series with a straight face has been done at least twice before, and the 2004 pilot was also too attached to the source in my opinion. I'm looking forward to something weird and different.

I don't mean any offense, and I respect your passion. But there's an old Faulkner (I think?) quote, where he was asked if he was upset by what the films had done to his books. His response: "They haven't done anything to my books. They're all right there, on the shelf."

Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on March 14, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
We've gone way off topic with the discussion of the comedic elements in the linked story turning into a general discussion about Dan Curtis' vision.  This thread is for Movie Spoilers.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Nancy on March 14, 2012, 09:45:05 PM
The reality is, like it or not, the Curtis estate gave Burton and Depp the rights with their track record. We don't know if Curtis would like the film or not as he is dead.   The people who loved and worked with him for decades know better than we do.

Jim is a consultant or associate producer on the film as he is the person responsible for licensing and certain contractual issues. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on March 14, 2012, 09:47:41 PM
The lock on the topic is only temporary and we'll be returning to the discussion of DS spoilers (only) soon.  [See Reply #104]  Thanks!  [snow_smiley]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: neiljohnson on March 14, 2012, 11:11:17 PM
Back to spoilers -- has anyone heard anything about a[spoiler]cliffhanger scene at the end of the film that introduces Quentin?  or something about a werewolf?[/spoiler]? One of my colleagues mentioned this today, but I was in a hurry and didn't have time to discuss it or hear any details.  I know for sure that she did not see the screening (we are in Ohio).  So, heaven knows what she is talking about.  Just wondering if anyone else had heard the same story.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Brandon Collins on March 14, 2012, 11:44:45 PM
I haven't heard anything about the potential ending scene you mentioned, neiljohnson. I wouldn't be surprised if a scene such as that were included, given the extensive source material that the filmmakers have to draw from, this one film could definitely turn into Depp's next franchise. Personally, I would probably be disappointed if that did happen because I hate being set up by movies, and I despise the feeling of going into a film thinking it will be an original, enclosed story, and then coming out knowing that it was all just set up for the future. It does a severe disservice to the film as a whole, in my opinion.

What I wouldn't mind, however, is some type of allusion to [spoiler]Quentin[/spoiler] with something small that would tip off long term fans (a kind of easter egg if you will) but not something that's blatantly obvious.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: borgosi on March 14, 2012, 11:57:58 PM
The only good thing that could come from a set up for a second film would be a chance to fix what they've done with this one, if it is a comedy. Remember the first Star Trek wasn't very good, but they fixed things in future films.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS / was: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
Post by: LOOKE300 on March 15, 2012, 12:06:56 AM
is it true [spoiler]barnabas dose not kill anyone in the whole film if this is true then they have taken the bite out of barnabas. what is this a childs film barnabas killed a lot of people in the series that was one of the best parts of the show.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: madscntst on March 15, 2012, 12:16:38 AM
To neil- kinda sorta.   I don't remember where I read this, and I don't know if it was a rumor so much as a fan wish/speculation, but I remember reading

[spoiler]That Chloe Moretz' Carolyn character may have been aged down in order to be a mix of both Carolyn and Amy Jennings, and in that regard, the "secret" that we have heard she has is that there could be some kind of werewolf tie-in.  And I suppose if that were to be the case, there could be a hint about Quentin, as well.[/spoiler]

So, I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on March 15, 2012, 12:40:36 AM
The writer was asked in the Fangoria interview if there were any plans for a sequel and he said no and that any new DS films will depend on several factors. I don't know if that answers a recent question here. We won't know until we see the film.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: borgosi on March 15, 2012, 12:43:14 AM
Who knows? We were also told that it wasn't a comedy.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: KMR on March 15, 2012, 01:23:39 AM
What I get from the Burton inteview in Horror Hound is that Burton is going for a tone that comes closest to how the show felt like to him when he watched it as a kid.  And I guess a significant part of that was the strange combination of the absurdity of the situations in a story that was played completely straight by the actors.  And I think I can buy that.  This does fit in with other things we have heard, where the humor comes from the situations and the relationships.  The way I'm hearing about the movie being "very funny", what I'm hoping for is something along the lines of amped-up Twin Peaks type of humor (that show was quite dark but at times was very funny).
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: jimbo on March 15, 2012, 01:36:48 AM
KMR I do hope that is the case.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS / was: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
Post by: borgosi on March 15, 2012, 01:46:23 AM
KMR - I hope you're right.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Brandon Collins on March 15, 2012, 01:53:18 AM
We don't know that it is a comedy, just that there are elements that my be viewed as comedic.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on March 15, 2012, 03:28:18 AM
there has been chatter elsewhere that that old comic book chestnut...

[spoiler]roger and liz are a married couple as opposed to siblings is in the film. that i find impossible to believe. we've been told otherwise and liz and carolyn are named "stoddard" and roger and david "collins".[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: ProfStokes on March 15, 2012, 03:41:36 AM
How two people can claim to be fans of the original show, and then focus on comedy, is simply beyond me. Of all the characteristics of the original series one could name, I think comedy would be mighty low on the list.  Over the years, we've all come to expect this sort of thing from people who weren't fans of TOS, but this comes from two guys who claim to be part of us. 

That's my feeling too, neiljohnson.  I don't understand how two self-proclaimed original series fans could distill the elements of the series into what I saw last night.  As a fan, I feel betrayed.

Now as for some of the other questions on this thread, [spoiler]I didn't see an obvious launching point for a sequel, though anything is possible where there's money to be made.  I think it will ultimately depend on how the movie is received.

 I can't comment about any so-called cliffhanger, but do stay through the closing credits.[/spoiler]

ProfStokes
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: RachelDrummand on March 15, 2012, 05:21:22 PM
Question for Prof Stokes and I'm going to put this in a spoiler tag since it might be considered one:

[spoiler]What is the music like? Is the original theme there? (one more question)....what about Josette's music box?[/spoiler]

Thanks!
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: ProfStokes on March 15, 2012, 08:22:52 PM
VictoriaWinters1991,

[spoiler]The cut I saw did not have the final music track, so I couldn't say what will be in the actual movie.[/spoiler]

ProfStokes
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: DLA75 on March 18, 2012, 07:02:11 AM
Am interpreting the trailer correctly that Elizabeth, Roger, Vicki aeverone at Collinwood and all of Collinsport know Barabas is Vampire?
Wonder if Burton regrets not having all of Gotham City know that Batman is  Bruce Wayne .
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on March 18, 2012, 07:16:18 AM
I am fairly sure [spoiler]that some of the family knows his secret.[/spoiler]  But, the scene which he announces he is a vampire is a different one from the family at the breakfast table.  They just spliced the two together. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on March 31, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
[Moved from topic Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!! --admin]


speaking of that "hippie chick" recall in the earliest spoilers [spoiler]we heard of a "running gag" of barnabas(or whoever)repeatedly running into a "hippie encampment"?

we haven't seen any of that in the trailers or heard about it anywhere lately. but the idea of a "running gag" is a reminder that the distinct possibility that this would end up being a comedy has been around since day one.

i'm still not sure why we were all so blindsided when it was actually confirmed in recent weeks? [snow_huh][/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Maggie Babe on April 09, 2012, 01:25:04 PM
Just heard bits and peices of the soundtrack. I love it! Now thats my DS!  
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers / was Re: (**NEW Photos/Michelle Pfeiffer
Post by: michael c on April 22, 2012, 01:51:10 PM
[refers to comments in:
Fangoria just came in. ...
--admin]

if "it" does indeed turn out to be true...

[spoiler]then they certainly don't have a problem killing off MAJOR characters. as it stands based on all the loose spoilerage out there it looks like julia, roger and now vicki all die. even if angelique "dies" she's immortal(as is barnabas)and can always get conjured up but those three characters are mortal. it's quite stunning. jumping the gun with talk of sequels without those three characters it wouldn't be as good for me. and it looks like the house burns down too. perhaps this will end up being a stand alone film.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: usffan on April 23, 2012, 06:00:29 PM
I haven't seen the latest issue of Fangoria, but I know Cousin Barnabas has said there's a particularly spoilerific picture and caption on the bottom of page 44.  I have seen a picture on the internet that may be this picture (without any caption).  So, in regards to this subject...

[spoiler]is the picture in question the one with Barnabas (who looks like a vampire) holding Bella Heathcote during a rain storm?  If so, and presuming this is at the bottom of Widow's Hill, is there any chance this is Josette rather than Vicki and that the caption is wrong?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: michael c on April 28, 2012, 01:53:31 PM
[Originally posted in Re: (**NEW Photos/Michelle Pfeiffer Interview In The April W!!** Reply #3083 ) Depp/Burton DARK SHAD
in response to
the clips:
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remember in those earliest of spoilers...

[spoiler]it said that unlike in previous variations of the story where vicki is summoned to collinwood and knows nothing of the collins family here she goes to work for them intentionally.[/spoiler]

this would sort of imply that that's true.
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: neiljohnson on May 07, 2012, 01:46:42 AM
Would anyone like to speculate on the [spoiler]werewolf[/spoiler] character we have read about recently?  Is this a real character in the film?  Perhaps just a mistake?  or something in-between?  Could this be the "end-of-credits" surprise we have been warned about?  I even remember, many months ago, it was reported that [spoiler]Quentin[/spoiler] would appear in the film as a "bearded cousin."  I'd enjoy hearing your ideas about this supposed spoiler. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Phil on May 08, 2012, 05:53:13 AM
Saw it tonight. I'm embargoed until Friday but there are things that will both delight and infuriate you guys in this movie. Lots of little nods to the series including

[spoiler]Windcliff, Maggie Evans, and a couple lines lifted word for word from Mr. Frid's original performance. Sadly, no dedication to Mr. Frid. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on May 08, 2012, 08:48:58 AM
Would anyone like to speculate on the [spoiler]werewolf[/spoiler] character we have read about recently?  Is this a real character in the film?  Perhaps just a mistake?  or something in-between?  Could this be the "end-of-credits" surprise we have been warned about?  I even remember, many months ago, it was reported that [spoiler]Quentin[/spoiler] would appear in the film as a "bearded cousin."  I'd enjoy hearing your ideas about this supposed spoiler.

Just think about the [spoiler]"big secret." [/spoiler]  [ghost_wink]  And even though I suspected it, I am not too happy with it.  It's really kind of over-the-top and out of nowhere. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on May 08, 2012, 08:51:07 AM
[spoiler]Windcliff, Maggie Evans, and a couple lines lifted word for word from Mr. Frid's original performance.[/spoiler]

I am fairly sure I have figured out the whole thing with the Collinwood governesses as well. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Phil on May 08, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
Quentin is

[spoiler]not in the film. And there is nothing after the end credits on the print I saw.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Cousin_Barnabas on May 08, 2012, 07:51:33 PM
That's why folks have to think of the...
[spoiler]BIG secret.[/spoiler]


 [ghost_cheesy]

It's out of nowhere.  And I think much too much. 
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on May 09, 2012, 05:53:50 AM
This topic has been locked.  I know I'd relish there being a few surprises left before the film opens.  [ghost_smiley]
Title: Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
Post by: Midnite on May 12, 2012, 05:53:37 PM
The topic is unlocked, btw, but any new spoilery discussions are to be posted in Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!