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It's officially the 15th in England, so let's start a new topic to cover the production (shooting and post production) of the Depp/DS film and the run-up to its release on May 11, 2012.
("It's official: Dark Shadows returns as a film with Johnny Depp" has been locked, so post any comments you might have from anything in that topic here in this one.)
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Thanks for the new thread, MB! Johnny was in Cannes today for one last Pirates premiere and one last pre-DS appearance (no cane that I could spot, lol). I'll miss the bounty of photos we've been treated to in the past week or so, but will be counting the days until we see our first glimpse of Johnny as Barnabas [ghost_smiley]
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will be counting the days until we see our first glimpse of Johnny as Barnabas [ghost_smiley]
I suspect we all will. [ghost_wink]
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Yet more confirmation that the Depp/DS film is beginning production: After Midnight in Cannes, Johnny Depp and Spike Jonze at the Bar du Cap (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/after-midnight-cannes-johnny-depp-and-spike-jonze-bar-du-cap-27402)
And while I've seen mostly extremely positive reviews for the latest Pirates, apparently not everyone likes it. (But then, what movie does every critic like?) And Time's Richard Corliss summed up his negative review rather interestingly: "So now it's time for him to again lavish his talent on films for grownups, and not pre-school pabulum like On Stranger Tides." Well, one can only hope that the DS film will be able to be described as a film for grownups. [ghost_wink]
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I really hope that we DON'T see his Barnabas until we see him on screen. That first shot of Barnabas standing in the doorway of Collinwood should be special. My hope is that a photo of him as Barnabas isn't shown until the movies been out for at least two weeks.
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If production has begun, where is the casting for Roger Collins? If Sheen is NOT playing him, that either means they need to cast the role or else the part has been written out, which seems odd because there are not many male roles in this film. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
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[ghost_smiley]
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Bay Area Reporter, my primary writing venue, said they'll let me cover & review the film when it opens.
I'm hoping that Frontiers Mag in LA, whom I also write for, will allow me to do the same.
The recently relaunched Famous Monsters of Filmland is interested in having me interview KL Scott RE: her new novel, so I'm hoping to do film coverage for them too.
It's gonna be a FUN year!
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All this is great news. Can't wait to see any photos from the shoot and read any more news.
It's officially the 15th in England, so let's start a new topic to cover the production of the Depp/DS film and the run-up to its release on May 11, 2012.
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I've got a custom made sweatshirt and a T-Shit with "The Blue Whale - Collinsport, Me." on them. No picture of a whale but a pic of a 'live preserver'. I had these made up roughly ten years ago. Started wearing them out recently on a regular basis. No comments from others on them yet but looks of interest. I've also spoken about Dark Shadows and the new movie and people are interested. This topic will definitely be the place to come to for the latest info. Many thanks to MB and all the others for keeping me up-to-date. [ghost_smiley]
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Who knows what's going on at IMDb? Now Jackie Earle Haley has disappeared from the cast list on the Depp/DS film's page and the film is no longer listed on his own page. A simple IMDb screw up or has Haley departed from the film? I suppose only time will tell. After all, Helena Bonham Carter was listed, disappeared, but is now listed again. Though she's never actually confirmed that she will be in the film - only that she was considering it. On the other hand, Haley had confirmed his participation. So, at least on the surface, his disappearance seems more significant...
But on another note, the film has jumped up to #551 on IMDb's MOVIEmeter, mostly based on the release date being announced.
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Darlingest MB,
I played a clip of HBC dolled up to the nines on the red carpet at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion for the annual statuette affair and she said, and I quote, "Yeah, I'm doing Dark Shadows. I couldn't turn down playing an alcoholic psychiatrist."
I admit she didn't display a signed contract, but since she is married to the director? (Kind of like Grayson being married to the Head Writer on DS and OLTL.)
G.
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Yes, and I recall how excited many of us were to hear that - especially the "alcoholic psychiatrist" part. But then there was an interview with her after that night at the Oscars in which she said she wasn't sure. [ghost_huh] (Which is why I'm guessing that IMDb still lists HBC as being "rumored for the role of Julia.)
What I probably should have said is that HBC confirmed but then rescinded her confirmation. But I suppose it works out to the same thing...
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In other news, the twitter feed for collinwood.net's news page is featuring a tweet from a prop buyer for the Depp/DS film (and yet another member of the behind the scenes personnel that's not listed on IMDb) who went out to buy candles for Depp - though presumably she means for the film (and perhaps even for one of Barnabas' sets) and not Depp personally. Well, unless she working as both prop buyer and personal assistant. [ghost_wink]
Also, it seems as if Bella Heathcote is alive and well (I was beginning to have my doubts considering that she still hasn't tweeted a thing since the 7th) because she's now following the feed...
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My hope is that a photo of him as Barnabas isn't shown until the movies been out for at least two weeks.
Hmm... I'm just wondering how in the world that would be possible. [ghost_huh] If you don't want to see Depp in "Barnabas mode" then my advice would be to avoid the Internet, TV, newspapers, magazines, billboards, subways, bus stops, etc. from now until you get to the theater to see the movie (and even then, you might need to avoid looking at any posters).
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who went out to buy candles for Depp - though presumably she means for the film (and perhaps even for one of Barnabas' sets)
I hope she's buying blue candles! [ghost_grin]
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I hope she's buying blue candles! [ghost_grin]
One would only hope, Aristia - especially if they were for a set. [ghost_cheesy] However that may not be the case. After someone tweeted the prop person as a joke that she'd found her true calling, she tweeted: "now I'm off to buy black fancy towels for his trailer.... Haha!" So, perhaps the candles were for Depp's personal use. But even if not, I would think buying towels for his trailer is beyond her job description. [ghost_rolleyes] She should ask for extra pay. [ghost_wink]
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LOL @ Aristia! We need a prop list for the prop buyer:
300 cases of blue candles
At least three afghans in clashing earth tones
Patchwork skirt for waitress/governess Vaggie Summers (?)
Huge magnifying glass on armature at nostril level for lab set
300 cases each of brandy and sherry (if you need to ask why, you don't know the Collins men the way we do!)
300 cases of false eyelashes (times two if "Crazy Jenny" needs to appear)
Gold hoop earrings for Angelique
at least three decks of Tarot cards (Swiss JJ deck)
Sleeveless dresses in strong colors for anyone under 40
Emergency wiglet switch kit for Angelique's quick trips to the airport
I know there are items I am forgetting...
G.
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I hope they don't release photos of JD as Barnabas, I fully expect they will. I'd be susprised if most of the story isn't know to those that want to know it.
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[rofl10], Gothick! Especially:
Emergency wiglet switch kit for Angelique's quick trips to the airport
[stfl]
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I understand where you're coming from, borgosi, with regard to photos of Depp as Barnabas. But I strongly suspect that photos of Depp as Barnabas are going to be used as the primary promotional tool for the film, just as photos of Depp as the Mad Hatter were used for Alice in Wonderland and photos of Depp as Jack Sparrow are always used to promote the Pirates films. And if the past promotions for his films are any indication, who knows how many times Depp as Barn may appear just on the cover of Entertainment Weekly because all of his films seem to get multiple EW covers before they're released. And other entertainment/horror magazines are likely to follow suit when publishing pre-release articles on DS. So much so that, like KMR, I also suspect it's going to be pretty much impossible for anyone to avoid them. Well, unless someone were to cancel all their magazine subscriptions, seal themselves up in their house, and never turn on the TV until the Depp/DS film gets released. [ghost_wink]
On the other hand, I wouldn't be so sure that the entire plot of the film will be known beforehand. Burton has a reputation for successfully keeping a lid on his films (just look at how little we know about this one), and not much gets out that he doesn't want to get out. And probably the main reason for that is that he surrounds himself with people that he's worked with before and he knows he can trust. That's not to say it will be impossible for something that Burton doesn't want to get out to get out. But it's likely that it will be very hard for it to happen. And that will be more than fine with me because, unlike seeing photos from the film, I want to know as little as possible about the plot before I see it. Like I've said before, nothing but the very end was left unknown when it came to the plot of hoDS - and that was very unfortunate...
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Hey, don't joke! There are fans who will probably do just that. [ghost_wub]
Well, unless someone were to cancel all their magazine subscriptions, seal themselves up in their house, and never turn on the TV until the Depp/DS film gets released. [ghost_wink]
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I have no idea who this guy is, but here are several of his tweets from this morning (along with a few that he was responding to):
DeanCleaverUK
Absolutely shattered this morning, off to Tim Burtons new movie set
6 hours ago
DeanCleaverUK
Has arrived at tim burtons new set for "dark shadows"
3 hours ago
DeanCleaverUK
Johnny depp and tim burton are here! Niceeeee
2 hours ago
DeanCleaverUK
I must find johnny depp and tim burton!
2 hours ago
JamesLambertt
@DeanCleaverUK do it mate and snap a cheeky picture.
2 hours ago
DeanCleaverUK
@JamesLambertt ill try! Ha <3
2 hours ago
jaaammes
@DeanCleaverUK Jonny Depp is a f**king legend! Aha
2 hours ago
jaaammes
@DeanCleaverUK get his autograph and a photo!!
2 hours ago
DeanCleaverUK
@jaaammes I'm trying to find him! Ha
2 hours ago
jaaammes
@DeanCleaverUK :(
2 hours ago
DeanCleaverUK
@jaaammes for myself yeah ha
1 hour ago
DeanCleaverUK
Sad to be leaving the new tim burton set, going to try and spot johnny depp and burton on the way out!
1 hour ago
DeanCleaverUK
Well unfortunately I didn't bump into johnny depp or tim burton on my adventure to burtons new set, but I will be returning!!
43 minutes ago
DeanCleaverUK
@darkshadowsnews the new set looks very impressive! I look forward to returning soon
24 minutes ago
DarkShadowsNews
@DeanCleaverUK Fantastic, thanks for sharing. Can't wait to see what they've come up with.
5 minutes ago
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A bit more:
DeanCleaverUK
@DarkShadowsNews its brill! And its also the biggest set iv seen so far!
6 minutes ago
DarkShadowsNews
@DeanCleaverUK Sounds like a world away from the original show. Keep us posted!
1 minute ago
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Tim Burton drops Maleficent from his bursting schedule (http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/2011/05/17/tim-burton-drops-maleficent-from-his-bursting-schedule/)
(Mentions that DS is in production.)
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One more:
DeanCleaverUK
During my visit to #timburton's new movie set, I saw the green screen scenes being edited, impressive stuff ito say the least!
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These tweets from Cleaver are the most interesting stuff we've gotten from Twitter yet! Too bad that he can't share photos. [ghost_sad] But one day we will see photos of the sets and some footage...
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Craft of 'Harry Potter' broom making 'dying out' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-13426990)
She's supplied the Depp/DS film with brooms? Interesting. Maybe for scenes in the past?
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She's supplied the Depp/DS film with brooms?
Perhaps Angelique will ride one?? [ghost_nowink]
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Heaven forbid, RoboQ!! Although, it could work in a dream sequence. [ghost_wink]
Changing reels, I was just glancing over some tweets on the Twitter page for Schultz & Wiremu (the company working on fabrics/costumes for the film) and came across this exchange from Sunday:
DJLoopsFruit
@multidyer @mon092010 are u allowed to say who was signed to play Julia Hoffman
15 May
multidyer
@DJLoopsFruit yes its common knowledge played by Helena Bonham Carter!
15 May
So, despite HBC's hedging/backpeddling and IMDb listing her as "rumored," that would seem to confirm it. [ghost_wink]
Sadly, most of Schultz & Wiremu's other tweets are not as forthright because one often sees the phrase "Sorry can't say more!" with regard to the film. But, of course, that's due to Burton's confidentiality agreement. However, there's also this exchange:
milahermanovski
@multidyer thank you! how is dark shadows coming along over there?
40 minutes ago
multidyer
@milahermanovski filming starts in the morning! We are just plodding along dyeing printing and ageing! So all in all OK thanks!
33 minutes ago
and
Emma20illu
@multidyer @mon092010 Hi do you know when johnny depp will be filming there within the next weeks, what days? want to visit and say hello
8 minutes ago
multidyer
@Emma20illu not at all in the for seeable future!
1 minute ago
Interesting...
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I'm not much of a twitterer, but I can see that I should start to follow some of these folks, because the exchanges are interesting! Thanks for posting, MB.
For what it's worth, regarding that last exchange, that person who wanted to "visit and say hello" raises a huge red flag for me, as someone who might try stalking the studio hoping for a sighting. This does happen, I'm afraid. If I were that person I would probably deny that Johnny would be there in the foreseeable future, too. Not to say he's definitely filming yet, but just don't take that reply as gospel. There were Pirates premieres in both Munich and Tokyo after Cannes, and Johnny did not attend- it's possible he had some other commitments that we don't know about but I tend to think that DS was the reason he bowed out.
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I had the same thoughts about Emma20illu, particularly because the people at Schultz & Wiremu weren't the only ones she was asking today if they knew when Depp would be at Pinewood - she was seemingly asking anyone and everyone who tweeted about the film today. That prompted me to look up her Twitter profile and apparently she has worked professionally in the film industry as a conceptual designer - but that doesn't necessarily mean she knows Depp - nor are working in the industry and being a stalker mutually exclusive behaviors. And what may be a huge reg flag is that she has posted art work numerous times on a fan Web site devoted to Depp, so I'm thinking she might be more of a fan than an industry acquaintance. So, I'm also thinking you may be right that Schultz & Wiremu wouldn't actually tell her when Depp will be at Pinewood because in all probability they have no idea who Emma20illu even is. Though there is also the chance that the lady from Schultz & Wiremu didn't even factor any of that into her response, and she was actually telling the truth, and maybe Depp won't be at Pinewood for the foreseeable future. Only time will tell. But little did Emma20illu know that she had already missed a chance because Depp was at Pinewood today according to DeanCleaverUK's tweets. [ghost_wink]
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interesting to hear that such impressive sets are being built for the town of collinsport.
given the casting information we've been given thus far...and from the way the story has been plotted in previous incarnations...it would seem that most of the action was to take place on the collinwood estate. we haven't heard much about collinsport hoi pilloi like joe haskell,sam evans,sheriff patterson,etc. the main collins family plus vicki and julia seem to be the main players here so it will be interesting to see how the town is being used.
i can't wait to see it.
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It's interesting that so far the only sets we know about are one interior, Collinwood's "huge Gothic entrance hall," and one exterior, "an entire New England fishing village using Pinewood's enormous outdoor water tank." Presumably there are more because the locations listing on IMDb for Pinewood Studios seems to imply all the interiors will be shot there. But who knows?
It's also interesting that the water tank at Pinewood comes complete with a green screen, so I've been wondering if the green screen footage DeanCleaverUK tweeted about seeing edited today may have involved the village set? Though there could certainly be other green screen work being done for the film as well...
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Ohoh, if I tell my kids there is a countdown here to when the Depp DS movie is going to be released, they may roll their eyes and say, we are not going, Mom, LOL, and they love Burton/Depp movies,
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If your kids come into the room while you're on the forum, Miranda, just scroll the countdown off the screen. [ghost_cheesy]
Changing reels: two things that aren't really directly related to the Depp/DS film but do followup on things we've talked about -
On the shifting of release dates front, here's a perfect example of what can happen: I've read recently that Universal is so pleased with the footage they've been seeing of Snow White and the Huntsman that they've pushed its release date up more than 6 months from when it was originally supposed to be released. Of course, in its case it has a competing Snow White film to deal with, and pushing up the release will now have it in play almost a full month before that other version comes out instead of after. (Well, unless the other Snow White's studio decides to retaliate by pushing up their release date, too.) But the change in release date also means that another Universal movie will now be coming out more than 6 months later than it was originally supposed to because Universal swapped SWatH's release with the new Judd Apatow comedy (I forget the name of it), which had been set for release on June 1, 2012 but will now come out on SWatH's original release date of December 21st.
And on another front, Thomas McDonell's Prom is well on its way now to making a profit for Disney because I noticed that late last week it cumulative take at the box office had already surpassed the amount of money it cost Disney to make the film. And as of Monday, it's cumulative take had already surpassed the film's cost by more than $1 million. And the film is still in play. And none of that takes into consideration its foreign box office take or the money it will make off its DVD/Blu-ray release. And Disney has already said that they're quite pleased with the way the film is performing (and is actually looking forward to the film's DVD/Blu-ray release because that's where they're expecting it to perform really well). All of which just goes to show that just because a film doesn't have a spectacular opening weekend and its pretty much forgotten a few weeks later, it can still make its money back and then some...
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Yeah, film releases often get moved around a bit. Rango's release was announced way in advance (like 2 years!) and did end up moving up by a week or two. The Tourist was moved up from this spring to last Dec. And though it was longer ago and my memory isn't the greatest, I *think* that Sweeney Todd was moved up from Christmas Day to whatever the previous Friday was (the 21st?) So it can happen, though if they stick with the idea that this would be a "tentpole"-type summer movie, it'll probably stay in the general timeframe. We'll see!
All morning I've been thinking of DS and how it might be filming at this very moment! At long last-- it's a great feeling!
Cathy
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Here is a press release, that includes a plot precis: http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20110518005463/en/TIm-Burton/Johnny-Depp/Michelle-Pfeiffer (http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20110518005463/en/TIm-Burton/Johnny-Depp/Michelle-Pfeiffer)
The plot as described: [spoiler] In the year 1752, Joshua and Naomi Collins, with young son Barnabas, set sail from Liverpool, England to start a new life in America. But even an ocean was not enough to escape the mysterious curse that has plagued their family. Two decades pass and Barnabas (Johnny Depp) has the world at his feet—or at least the town of Collinsport, Maine. The master of Collinwood Manor, Barnabas is rich, powerful and an inveterate playboy…until he makes the grave mistake of breaking the heart of Angelique Brouchard (Eva Green). A witch, in every sense of the word, Angelique dooms him to a fate worse than death: turning him into a vampire, and then burying him alive.
Two centuries later, Barnabas is inadvertently freed from his tomb and emerges into the very changed world of 1972. He returns to Collinwood Manor to find that his once-grand estate has fallen into ruin. The dysfunctional remnants of the Collins family have fared little better, each harboring their own dark secrets. Matriarch Elizabeth Collins Stoddard (Michelle Pfeiffer) has called upon live-in psychiatrist, Dr. Julia Hoffman (Helena Bonham Carter), to help with her family troubles.
Also residing in the manor is Elizabeth’s ne’er-do-well brother, Roger Collins (Jonny Lee Miller); her rebellious teenage daughter Carolyn Stoddard (Chloe Moretz); and Roger’s precocious 10-year-old son, David Collins (Gulliver McGrath). The mystery extends beyond the family, to caretaker Willie Loomis, played by Jackie Earle Haley, and David’s new nanny, Victoria Winters, played by Bella Heathcote.
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Jonny Miller Lee, btw, was Jordon Chase (a mastermind serial rapist/torturer/killer) on last season's Dexter as well as appearing as a lead in Dracula 2000.
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I love Jonny Lee Miller. Loved him on ABC's late and lamented Eli Stone. Loved him in the many roles he's played in PBS' Masterpiece productions (particularly Emma and Endgame. I can't wait to see his take on Roger!
Thanks so much for sharing the press release, Zahir!
Interesting that the press release mentions Village Roadshow Pictures as one of the production companies doing the Depp/DS film considering that they were listed on IMDb only to be unceremoniously removed. But then, as we've lamented many times, God only knows what goes on over at IMDb?! Speaking of which, now who the hell knows why Jackie Earle Haley's name has been removed from the cast list on IMDb when he's quite obviously still a part of the film?! [ghost_rolleyes] But perhaps someone will come to their senses when they add Jonny Lee Miller's name to the list and add Haley back...
More interesting is how the Collinses come to be in Collinsport.
Even more interesting is how Julia figures into things.
And most interesting, the press release solves the governess versus waitress question. Finally!!
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Oh wow, this press release is great and very detailed, thanks Zahir! I'm surprised that we get so much detail (even though it's still just an overview) so far in advance. Jonny Lee Miller- I hadn't heard a peep about him being in contention for this, but it's great that the role is cast. I'm not too familiar with Jonny Lee and went to IMDb to check his roles, and now I realize where I know him best from-- this past season of Dexter. [Edited to add: Zahir said this, clear as day! Somehow I read the whole rest of the post without catching that, duh! [ghost_rolleyes] ) He played a charismatic (but dangerous) motivational speaker, and he was one of the high points of a rather so-so season, so I'm sure he'll bring wonderful things to Roger.
So Barnabas is going to be a playboy, eh? I can't wait [ghost_wink]
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This is huge news! Thanks too Zahir for the link. I am a bit disappointed that they revealed more than I wanted to know but a press release has to say something I guess. Variety seems to have gotten the waitress vs. governess question wrong the latter as MB pointed out. The publication was real stubborn about its position. Oh well today's a great day so let's celebrate DS.
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The thing about Variety is that they would have gotten the waitress detail from a reputable source close to the film if not actually working for the film. God only knows how that source got it so wrong?! Well, unless the plot changed between the time the waitress detail was reported and today's press release was issued. But that seems unlikely because a detail like that would have changed so much of the plot. Although, perhaps it really is like Maggie. The press release does say that Victoria is David's new nanny, so there is a very slight possibility that Victoria was working as a waitress, perhaps even in Collinsport, because she couldn't find a suitable tutor/nanny/governess position, but then the position at Collinwood came up. That would be different from the original DS and the '91 Series where in both Victoria was brought to Collinwood from NY. But then, Julia's initial placement is very different from what we've seen before. So who knows? Time will tell...
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Details in the press-release are interesting. Among other things, it sounds as if there will not be an Old House. If the Collins Family are recent immigrants in 1795, then Collinwood (not the Old House) would be their original home in America. Hmmm. I wonder where Barnabas will claim to be living when he arrives in the 1970s?
Also, no mention of Professor Stokes. Someone will need to play the role of "occult expert," otherwise, who will figure-out Barnabas's secret? Perhaps Julia, but HBC has indicated her role is a small one.
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I am a bit disappointed that they revealed more than I wanted to know
Well, there were a couple details that they probably didn't need to say. Most of the release simply spells out relationships and puts characters in context. But just in case there are people who would rather know as little as possible when it comes to those couple details that WB probably didn't need to mention, I've put the quote from the release in Zahir's post in a spoiler. Honestly, I wouldn't think most of us would consider anything about what WB says to be a big spoiler, but now everyone can read it at their own discretion. [ghost_smiley]
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I'm so glad that this is a quiet week for me at work [ghost_grin] I've been mulling a few things about the plot synopsis. Ah, as I've been typing this, there have been some more posts, and I realize that perhaps I should include spoiler warnings just to be safe.
[spoiler]
1) I guess the inclusion of Thomas McDonnell now makes sense, as there will presumably be a scene(s) in 1752. This also means that there will be a Joshua and Naomi-- will they do the duplicate casting trick that they did for the show, or will there be separate actors cast? I'm guessing the latter, but who knows?
2) Counting ahead 20 years, it's a little interesting to me that this part of the film will now take place pre-Revolutionary War. I don't know why I find that interesting, but I do :) But this makes the math fit very nicely by counting ahead exactly 200 more years.
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Don't think that spoilers are needed for these two points ;)
3) Did they spell "Brouchard" wrong, or did they change her name?
4) I'm still enjoying the playboy angle ;)
Cathy
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I first read the article when I received the google email alert. I was surprised that it revealed what it did. Now I have the need to know more. lol I assume that many details were left out ie... Josette's character, the fact that vampires are not suppose to age when buried alive explanation etc... I guess the opening scene will for the first time not be the governess arriving by train.
On the other matter perhaps Variety will have something to say on this waitess issue but I won't hold my breath.
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So nice to see you posting, neiljohnson! [ghost_smiley]
Among other things, it sounds as if there will not be an Old House. If the Collins Family are recent immigrants in 1795, then Collinwood (not the Old House) would be their original home in America.
That seems likely, especially considering that Barnabas is[spoiler]master of Collinwood Manor[/spoiler]when he's cursed. And the fact that there might not be an Old House makes me even more curious as to what Collinwood will look like. As I've said, IF they were to go architecturally accurate for the period, and IF Collinwood was built between 1752 and 1780, it would most probably be in the Georgian Style. But then I come back to the Gothic entrance hall set - and that is most definitely not something that would fit with Georgian. Though there is a possibility that such a set could fit with the Early Classical Revival style of 1770 and beyond (up to 1830). But even that's not 100%. Though the varying styles of Tudor would still fit if the Collinses wanted to build in the style of England rather than the New Wolrd...
It's going to be very interesting...
Hmmm. I wonder where Barnabas will claim to be living when he arrives in the 1970s?
If there is no Old House, it definitely complicates things for 1972 present.
Also, no mention of Professor Stokes. Someone will need to play the role of "occult expert," otherwise, who will figure-out Barnabas's secret? Perhaps Julia, but HBC has indicated her role is a small one.
I would think Julia is still the one to figure things out. But who knows?
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the fact that vampires are not suppose to age when buried alive explanation etc...
The press release says that Barn is already played by Depp by the time he's cursed.
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ooops thanks for the correction.
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The casting of Jonny Lee Miller is quite a coup. I just saw JLM in a "live" broadcast of the National Theatre (of London)'s production of Frankenstein, playing opposite Benedict Cumberbatch. Fabulous actor and perfect presence for Roger (although who knows how any of these characters will appear in this new iteration of the series?).
No mention of Josette in that plot outline... interesting...
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If this is correct it does leave out some of the story lines? No mention of Josette?
This seems llike they might have taken out a major story point of the original?
This also might mean no Buzz.:)
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I doubt if they'll do a Dark Shadows film without a Josette. Didn't earlier articles indicate that Vicki will resemble Barnabas' long lost love? Barn still has to have a reason for rejecting Angelique.
I guess we can take this press release as confirmation that Helena Bonham-Carter will be Julia? In spite of imdb's obsession with the word "rumored"? lol
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I doubt if they'll do a Dark Shadows film without a Josette. Didn't earlier articles indicate that Vicki will resemble Barnabas' long lost love?
There's never been an official mention of Josette, but yes, all the descriptons of Bella Heathcote's character that were issued by WB back in February said that she resembles Barnabas' lost love.
KLS also mentioned that she believed Bella would play both Victoria and Barnabas' lost love, as was done with the '91 Series and the '04 pilot. There's been no official mention of reincarnation, though...
I guess we can take this press release as confirmation that Helena Bonham-Carter will be Julia? In spite of imdb's obsession with the word "rumored"? lol
A press release from WB is as official as it can get. Maybe IMDb will get the hint and remove the "rumored" from HBC's name. [ghost_wink]
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It's interesting that we've heard nothing about the casting of any male rival or antagonist for Barnabas. No Burke or Joe or Jeff (eww to the last). Is Barn going to be the sole recipient of all the female attention? Not that Barnabas wouldn't enjoy that. Not that he didn't believe he was the center of all the attention anyway, but still... [chkyy]
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I really do think that the only antagonist for Barn in the film will be Angelique - and she's actually worse than any three male antagonists put together! [ghost_cheesy] Plus the film will only be about two hours long and it certainly sounds like everyone is going to have a secret. So, there's only going to be so much time to deal with those secrets and to do them justice.
Perhaps, if we're lucky enough to get a sequel or so, then some sort of male antagonist will be introduced...
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I expected to know the plot before the movie was released but I didn't expect to know this much this early.
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While it seems like they revealed a lot, they actually didn't reveal much. It seems like a lot to US, because we know how things are "supposed to be." Any variation from the way it's "been done" seems like a tremendous lot of knowledge. To the regular person, this description is minimalistic. To us, it is golden.
Barnabas does need a reason to reject Angelique. One would believe it's for another woman - possibly Josette. But if Barnabas is a [spoiler]"playboy,"[/spoiler] anything is possible. Never would have put that description to Barnabas before so it should make for interesting character development. I do hope that Barnabas falls in love with Josette and, in doing so, [spoiler]gives up his playboy ways,[/spoiler] but I am not sure. If anything, assuming Josette is in this, I don't see her committing suicide for some reason... But, maybe I'm wrong.
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To me Barnabas was always a bit of a playboy. Afterall that's what got him in trouble.
The "curse" in this reminds me more of Blacula than DS, that's not a bad thing. I'm a big fan of Blacula, Count Yorga and Dracula A.D. 1972 and this press release reminds me of all of those movies. That said I don't believe we would have any of them without DS.
I do hope there is a Josette. Any movie about Barnabas should have an Angelique and Josette.
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[spoiler]1) I guess the inclusion of Thomas McDonnell now makes sense, as there will presumably be a scene(s) in 1752. This also means that there will be a Joshua and Naomi-- will they do the duplicate casting trick that they did for the show, or will there be separate actors cast? I'm guessing the latter, but who knows?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I can definitely see Michelle Pfeiffer and Jonny Lee Miller as Naomi and Joshua. Both look amazing in period clothes. Of course, Pfeiffer looks amazing in everything she does. But I have to confess that while watching Miller in PBS Masterpiece Emma I found myself wishing I'd been alive in that era and had Miller's character's wardrobe. He had one particular green suit that I would have killed to have been able to wear back then. And anyone who's seen the production probably knows the one I mean. [ghost_smiley][/spoiler]
3) Did they spell "Brouchard" wrong, or did they change her name?
I'm thinking it may be a typo because several places have been reporting Angelique's last name as Bouchard, as it was on the daytime DS.
4) I'm still enjoying the playboy angle ;)
Yes, and I'm surprised that anyone questions it with regard to the original DS' Barn. I mean, he ran after every SYT that ever got within 10 feet of him. If that isn't playboyish behavior, I don't know what is. [ghost_grin] And if he had known how to keep it his pants with regard to Angelique and "those nights in Martinique," just think of how different his life would have been...
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To me Barnabas was always a bit of a playboy. Afterall that's what got him in trouble.
I mean, he ran after every SYT that ever got within 10 feet of him. If that isn't playboyish behavior, I don't know what is. [ghost_grin] And if he had known how to keep it his pants with regard to Angelique and "those nights in Martinique," just think of how different his life would have been...
GMTA, borgosi - and at almost the exact same time. How's that for being on the same wavelength?! [ghost_grin]
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It's true that Barnabas ''messed around'' on the original, but this description makes him sound like Hugh Hefner, all high and mighty in his big house with all his ladies. To my knowledge, in the original, Barnabas had one love (Josette) and one lady interest (Angelique) before his true love. Hardly what I would identify as a playboy.
In the modern era, Barnabas had a hang-up - on Josette. He wasn't really a playboy, because he was only after one woman, one he could never have, but tried to often. [spoiler]He saw Josette in Maggie and Vicki in the present. He saw her in Rachel and Kitty in 1897. Then he had a thing for Roxanne.[/spoiler] Over the course of time, he really only had two love interests. One was Josette (albeit in many forms). Not exactly playboy standards. Just kind of obsessed, imo.
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Let's not forget both Roxannes. [ghost_wink] And just because we only know about Angelique, that doesn't necessarily mean she was the only one he slept with and then dropped flat.
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Again with that obsession thing... [ghost_tongue2]
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somehow this plot outline makes the whole thing seem more "real". i'm quite pleased with what i've read.
frankly i can't believe we're hearing those names...OUR names...being spoken of in such a large,splashy context. our little DS world is about to expand exponentially. i'm not quite sure how to feel about all of it but i'm getting very excited.
the plotting sounds somewhat at odds with all of the "funny" remarks. i will say that i believe the decision to set the piece in 1972 allows for alot of visual "camp" in terms of the sets and costuming. otherwise i'm not sure why it's not being set in 1967 or for that matter the present. it's got to be a stylistic decision.
the descriptions of the characters...carolyn as a "rebellious teenager",roger as a "ne'er' do well"...sound alot like the characters we know in the early days of the series. i for one am pleased that vicki is being portrayed as her true self...governess,not waitress. although a small part for maggie would be nice.
sounds good.
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and i agree the original barnabas was a total skirt chaser.
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otherwise i'm not sure why it's not being set in 1967 or for that matter the present. it's got to be a stylistic decision.
Took me a minute, but the story starts in 1752, jumps ahead two decades to when Barnabas has the curse put on him, then jumps to 1972. He's in the coffin for exactly 200 years. Not sure WHY that decision was made, but there's the math.
I quite like the idea of Barnabas being shocked and horrified at what's become of the once-proud Collins dynasty. He wakes up to find his family tree is a tangled neurotic mess! Poor fella.
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Yeah, I had noticed the math of the years too (one page back) and the numbers add up more satisfyingly, I think. I'm getting a bit of a vibe similar to when they arrive in 1995 and find Collinwood in shambles- certainly not to that extreme but the same kind of feeling of despair.
I think that Barnabas on the show was certainly a skirt chaser- I always got the impression in 1795 that Angelique wasn't the only dalliance- and then after he fell in love with Josette it was almost an excuse to chase everyone else because they "reminded" him of her. But "playboy" sounds like this will be more overt than implied. I definitely won't mind seeing Johnny put his moves on all the ladies [ghost_wink]
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My take...
1. The story must be streamlined to fit something like forty or fifty hours into about two. The outline sounds like it is going to accomplish exactly that. One house instead of a complicated history of two, for example.
2. All it takes is for Barnabas to cheat on Angelique. Even if he doesn't think of it as cheating--any bets she'd disagree?
3. I'm so hoping no one is a reincarnation of anyone. Especially Josette. It is a very old and by now boring cliche, which incidentally was nowhere present in the original series until near the end of 1897! Victoria was not Josette remember? Josette was a ghost, and Maggie just happened to look like Josette. The later versions that went with this old chestnut frankly weakened the whole story.
4. Professor Stokes is a great character--but he really has next-to-nothing to do. Especially when Barnabas first shows up (we didn't meet him until after Vicky returned from the past, if you recall).
5. Okay, logistics--if the Collinwood manor is something like a ruin, then for all we know Elizabeth & Company are living in a nice large modern house not too far from the estate. Willie is probably the caretaker of the place. Thus when Barnabas shows up, he can easily stay in his old home (and there's some lovely potential for melancholy right there btw) without anyone really noticing--at least at first. But if he offers to restore the place, I imagine the Collins family would be pleased to let him do so. Doesn't really take much to see how this can work. But at the same time, you can see how some folks would always be sneaking onto the old estate, maybe smoking pot and stuff. And if anyone were watching, seeing movement in the old place could spark rumor or action or just plain curiosity. Lots of potential there.
6. Personally, I think setting it circa 1970 is a brilliant idea. If somebody showed up today and told anyone "I'm your hitherto unknown cousin from England come to stay" the first thing they'd do is do a google search. Which in Barnabas' case would turn up nothing. Nada. Zip. Same thing for a credit score. But in 1970 someone might be able to pull it off.
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6. Personally, I think setting it circa 1970 is a brilliant idea. If somebody showed up today and told anyone "I'm your hitherto unknown cousin from England come to stay" the first thing they'd do is do a google search. Which in Barnabas' case would turn up nothing. Nada. Zip. Same thing for a credit score. But in 1970 someone might be able to pull it off.
Remember in 1840 Gabriel had acquired quite the dossier on Gerard Stiles!! That must've taken some doing way back then!
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And just because we only know about Angelique, that doesn't necessarily mean she was the only one he slept with and then dropped flat.
That's the way I've always seen it, too. While I definitely feel that Josette was Barn's first emotional love, I doubt if he was any innocent when he took that fateful trip to Martinique. It was common enough for wealthy men in Barn's time to engage in sexual dalliances with women of a lower social status without expecting any sort of repercussions. Who knows what he was up to on previous business trips? [wink2] At any rate, the "playboy" or rogue tag of the new movie seems perfectly apt to this Barnabas fan.
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The 1972 setting could really prove to be quite interesting. From a Mad Men/period setting, it allows for a revisit of things like Watergate, the Vietnam war, the Equal Rights Amendment and the 1972 Munich Olympics as a spectator looking back at those items with the wisdom of 40 years (!) of history after the fact.
For those fretting about the "funny" perspective, we've talked about what it will be like for a man whose last memories were from before the Revolutionary War returning to a world where Volkswagon Beetles will be driving down the road and airplanes will be in the sky and coming to grips with the post-1960's eras of free love and recreational drug use (can vampires get the munchies from drinking THC-contaminated blood?). But think about that era, where Laugh-In and All in the Family were top rated television shows. For that matter, Barnabas will be shocked by a television at all, let alone seeing Sammy Davis kissing Archie Bunker. This really has a lot of interesting facets to consider...
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usffan, that's just what I was going to say. The plot information we've been given sounds wonderful to me, and sounds like it fits a melodrama/thriller, not a comedy; the 1972 setting will likely be enough context to allow the inclusion of "funny" without comedy.
In regard to Collinwood, it isn't obvious to me that there's only one house. The statement "He returns to Collinwood Manor to find that his once-grand estate has fallen into ruin" could possibly mean that the house Barnabas had lived in is in ruin, and the current family is living in another house on the estate that was built later. What if, perhaps, the Collins patriarch in the mid-1800s built a large new house during the height of the Gothic Revival period? [ghost_smiley]
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Pics of Chloe taken two days ago at an event she attended. Nice Carolyn like hair.
http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/417844/chloe-moretz-cleopatra-ballet-05/
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I think the most interesting aspect of the synopsis is that for the first time, Barnabas is going to be the audience identification character - it really sounds like the story will be told from his point of view, which has the potential to be fascinating. No version of Dark Shadows until now has really explored the idea of Barnabas as a man adrift in a strange, unfamiliar world. That should give things a really interesting new spin, even for those of us who already know the characters and situations inside out.
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Stuart, I never thought of that! You're right, the beginnings of the original and 1991 TV series had the audience identifying with a governess in transit to her employment at Collinwood, and the opening of HODS had the audience identifying with an established governess coping with her crisis du jour. This will be very, very different and a fresh, exciting new take on DS. (And the mention of the family already being curse-prone in the mid-1700s, along with the description of the Collins family household in 1972, sounds like there will be lots of fodder for future movies or a TV spinoff.)
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If Barnabas wasn't a playboy how would he know what to do to cause Angelique to still want him after 200 years?
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Are you subtly trying to say that Barnabas must have some exceptional, highly developed sexual talents? [naughty] [lghy]
It's funny how that never seems to be discussed in fandom - but chances are extremely good that it has to be true for Angelique to still speak of "those nights in Martinique" for centuries afterward! [b003]
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You know... I never really thought the house falling into "ruin" was an actual state of being for Collinwood Manor. I thought of it as metaphorical. It's now being run by a bunch of crazies who put macrame owls on the wall - hence ruin. But, it could very well be a physical state and/or HIS Collinwood could be the Old House. Lots to think about there.
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I'm really enjoying this discussion. Thank you.
In re-reading the press-release, I noticed another detail not yet mentioned here. Here's a quote from the release: [spoiler] "Angelique dooms him to a fate worse than death: turing him into a vampire, and then burying him alive." Should we assume that Angelique is the person who seals Barnabas in his coffin (rather than Joshua)? Probably so, since Barnabas is said to be the "master" of Collinwood in 1772 -- that probably means that Joshua is dead.[/spoiler] This seems like an unnecessary change in continuity, since it doesn't save any money or time. Hmmm.
Sorry to complain -- but hiding these spoilers sure is a lot of trouble. Definitely not a simple procedure.
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If Barnabas wasn't a playboy how would he know what to do to cause Angelique to still want him after 200 years?
He was the person that she wanted and she wasn't going to give up. She made him out to be her savior, but he could never fullfil that, can anyone?
It's funny how that never seems to be discussed in fandom - but chances are extremely good that it has to be true for Angelique to still speak of "those nights in Martinique" for centuries afterward! [b003]
I don't think that Angelique was a virgin. She might have been the one that had the skills, that she wanted Barnabas to remember. Maybe she know how to please.
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we haven't heard a peep about a sarah collins, have we?
seems like that subplot is getting dropped.
given the plot outline i don't think it's necessary...or perhaps even advisable...to have any of the "present time" actors portraying joshua and naomi. they're obviously going to be minor parts so that casting might confuse new audiences not familiar with the traditional turn of events. besides jonny lee miller is too young to effectively play the pompous, blustery joshua and there's a pretty significant age difference between him and pfieffer in terms of husband and wife.
perhaps having angelique be the one to entomb barnabas is simply more expedient given the time frame of a movie versus a series. the storyline appears to be set largely in the present(1972)so the whole story of joshua's reasons for entombing him might be too lengthy to get into.
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we haven't heard a peep about a sarah collins, have we?
seems like that subplot is getting dropped.
I wondered about that too. Sarah was used to humanize Barnabas on both series, but I suspect the thinking may be that Depp's Barn may not need that same sort of humanizing because the audience will have already seen the human Barn before they ever see the vamp Barn and they'll also already be aware of the events that lead to Barn being cursed. It's a theory, anyway. [ghost_smiley]
(I briefly discussed parts of this (though not the Sarah aspect of it) in the "Potential Sequels To DS Film With Johnny Depp: Present VS. Past?" topic if anyone would like to continue that discussion over there.)
given the plot outline i don't think it's necessary...or perhaps even advisable...to have any of the "present time" actors portraying joshua and naomi. they're obviously going to be minor parts so that casting might confuse new audiences not familiar with the traditional turn of events. besides jonny lee miller is too young to effectively play the pompous, blustery joshua and there's a pretty significant age difference between him and pfieffer in terms of husband and wife.
I thought about the age difference between Pfeiffer and Miller - but then I dismissed it because there was an almost identical age difference between Joan Bennett and Louis Edmonds, too (13 years versus 14 years for Pfeiffer and Miller), and they can do even more with makeup nowadays than they could back in the original DS' time.
(I also briefly discussed in the "Potential Sequels To DS Film With Johnny Depp: Present VS. Past?" topic the merits or lack thereof of the 1972 cast playing parts in the past because that was one of points we'd already been discussing there. I basically came up with only one good reason to have Pfeiffer and Miller play Naomi and Joshua, and it wouldn't be confusing to the audience if the film were to go with it. So, if anyone would like to continue the discussion there...)
perhaps having angelique be the one to entomb barnabas is simply more expedient given the time frame of a movie versus a series. the storyline appears to be set largely in the present(1972)so the whole story of joshua's reasons for entombing him might be too lengthy to get into.
I agree - I think it will be more expedient. I could be wrong, but it almost seems from the press release that Ang will curse Barn and seal him in his coffin in almost one fell swoop, rather than having Barn become a vamp, go around killing people, and then be entombed.
(As I also theorized in the "Potential Sequels To DS Film With Johnny Depp: Present VS. Past?" topic, it may be because they want to get to 1972 as quickly as possible because that seems to be the film's main story.)
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It would be a shame if the movie forgets about Sarah. One of my favorite scenes in the original series is when she gives him what for when she stops him from killing Julia. Barnabas pinned by a little girl--and grieving AND conscience stricken--was a wonderful moment.
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I am so excited. I read the press release which wasn't too spoilerish for me. I love the changes and to me there is nothing in the synopsis to suggest it's a comedy! The changes sound wonderful and exciting!
I cannot wait...more later!!!
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One of my all time favorite scenes from DS was when Barnabas was in Maggie's room presumably to kill her and suddenly you hear the voice of Sarah singing "London Bridge." That backs the back old vampire away from Maggie's bed and right out that French door. He asks "Where are you?" and then right at the French door still backing up, the camera zooms in perfectly on Barn's face as he says "What do you want of me?" A great shot, a memorable moment for me in the series.
That said, it would not surprise me if Sarah is left out. After all, the movie can only be so long. They have to be careful about what they incorporate into it and play out.
I think some comedy angles would be Barnabas being confronted with some modern elements such as seeing a car or being in one for the first time or any number of other things. I see some comic relief being drawn from such encounters.
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I agree, DarkLady, that omitting Sarah would be a loss - but unfortunately, in order to streamline a TV show into a two hour film, a lot of great things have to fall by the wayside. (As I theorized in the Potential Sequels topic, it would certainly seem as if the whole trip back to 1795(1772 in the film) would be completely unnecessary given the way the WB press release explains how the Depp/DS film will begin.)
(And BTW, every time I see your name on the forum, I think of Cher's Dark Lady. And given that it's Cher's birthday today (which I noticed while quickly flipping through the new issue of Entertainment Weekly), I think we should all join in singing the chorus as a tribute to you both:
"Dark Lady laughed and danced
And lit the candles one by one
Danced to her gypsy music
Till her brew was done
Dark Lady played black magic
Till the clock struck on the twelve
She told me more about me
Than I knew myself"
There - wasn't that fun? [ghost_cheesy] (And now I've gotten it out of my system. [ghost_grin]))
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Yes, I think of that too when I see our cousin's name on the forum. That also happens to be my favorite Cher song. [ghost_smiley]
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Angelique may not have been "pure" before Barnabas but one thing we know. She was after him, not the other way around. Which tells me that she was impressed. 200 years later she still wanted him. Maybe Josette was true love and maybe she rocked his world, who knows. Whatever the case may be I hope this movie doesn't have alot of nudity or gore. I don't mind either but I don't think DS needs it.
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Gosh, well, thanks! *blush* I have to confess that I didn't know the song at all, but I'm certainly flattered to be so distinguished by my cousins on this board. *preens just a teeny bit*
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Here you go, DarkLady. Dark Lady just for you. And since the movie is set in the early seventies, how appropriate if it was included in the sound track!
Gerard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnYAkvCpom0
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I find the plot outline in the press release to be fascinating. I like that they are going to streamline the story and give it a context fitting for the characters they are going to use. That will at least be much better than the rush-job 1795 arc in the 1991 series, where characters were included just to stand around and remind us of the original (i.e. Millicent.) It may also be that we have no look-alikes or 'reincarnations' except for the two characters who do cross time--Angelique and Barnabas. I also find it interesting that the 1972 date is almost like they are picking up shortly after the original series was cancelled.
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Speaking of clothes and eras, I don't picture BC wearing a caped topper but rather a longish, ankle-length type coat like those worn by the Earp brothers in 'Tombstone'. Will he wear a leisure suit for dinner? [ghost_grin] Mini-skits were very popular in 72' and I picture BC getting a look at all that flesh around him...it will be quite interesting. Saw a photoshopped(?) pic of JD's BC character in google where he does have the heavy jewely and what looks like an earring. While the hair is not JF fringy, it definitely is a fringed bang style. JD looks extremely good in this picture. What a shock for Angelique to find out Barnabas has been unearthed. What were her plans for him since she may have been the one to bury him and keeping him alive but for what purpose.
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While the hair is not JF fringy, it definitely is a fringed bang style.
Since the part in the past with the adult Barnabas takes place pre-Revolutionary War, and considering that Barnabas is wealthy and the master of Collinwood, wouldn't it be a hoot and a half if he wears a powdered wig?!
What a shock for Angelique to find out Barnabas has been unearthed. What were her plans for him since she may have been the one to bury him and keeping him alive but for what purpose.
I suspect at least part of Angelique's thinking may be that by cursing and burying him, she's given Barnabas an eternity to reflect on the mistake he made when he betrayed her (at least in her mind).
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And to forget about the other woman... So that when she does let him out, he will have no one but her. Too bad it won't turn out like that... [ghost_wink]
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Thanks, Gerard! [ghost_grin]
I think those "Tombstone"-style coats were called dusters. They seem to have been designed for heavy outdoor activitiy such as hunting and riding. I've seen similar ones in movies set in other time periods, especially the most recent TV iteration of Sense and Sensibility and the 1995 movie of Persuasion. So it would be entirely plausible for Barn to wear one when he goes riding around the Great Estate.
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yes MINIS were still popular in 1972 but so were MIDIS and MAXIS. i for one want to know where the hemline's going to fall.
frankly i'm starting to SALIVATE over the 1972 costuming potential. will liz get caftans? will vicki be in sleeveless? scratchy moss green tweed for julia? is colleen atwood riffing the original in terms of wardrobe and hairdos or is she creating something completely different?
dying!
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Yes, the idea of 70s fashions is rather intriguing...and scary all the same. Will Angelique get some version of Cassandra's lime green dress? LOL! I do hope HBC won't be required to frump herself up in tweed...though if new Julia is indeed an "alcoholic," who knows how she will be dressed.
I always wondered why original Barn never had any reaction to all the short skirts around him. Even Liz's conservative knee-length dresses must have seemed risque to someone from the eighteenth century. [shockeyes] But I also always wondered how Barnabas knew how to answer the telephone and place calls and drive a car, too.
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dying!
I'm also dying to know what sort of looks the different characters from '72 are going to sport - particularly when a lot of the '70s stuff on the Ballyhoo Vintage Clothing's Web site, especially the men's stuff, was enough to cause nightmares!
Yes, the idea of 70s fashions is rather intriguing...and scary all the same. Will Angelique get some version of Cassandra's lime green dress? LOL!
What about Cassandra's butterfly caftan that many of her fans seem to "love" so much? [ghost_grin] [ghost_shocked]
But I also always wondered how Barnabas knew how to answer the telephone and place calls and drive a car, too.
Willie was apparently a much better teacher than one might have suspected. [ghost_wink] Although, with the threat of being beaten with Barn's cane hanging over you, maybe almost anyone would be. [ghost_blink] Which actually brings me to another subject: I was wondering the other day if the film's Barn will be as violent and, well, depraved, for want of a better word, when he's released from his coffin, as he was on both series, or will it be that practically from the get go Barn will be painted sympathetically and he'll want to protect his descendants and to help straighten out their lives, as he did on the original series post 1795/76 storyline?
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as long as liz isn't in high-waist,wide-pleat PANTS a'la 1991 i'll be happy.
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I see Jonny Lee Miller has finally been added on IMDb. And Jackie Earle Haley is back. Though why Haley was ever taken off is a mystery. But then, ours is not to reason the insanity that is often the IMDb...
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I hadn't thought of it before, that the POV is that of Barnabas for the first time. Cool! [ghost_cool]
Myself, I've always wanted to see Barnabas react to things like hearing a phone ring for the very first time--not only reacting to the weirdness of this sound but also not letting anyone know that this is a totally new experience for him. Lots of potential humor in that, when you think on it--and humor is usually needed when tensions are really, really high. Think about it--we have someone who eats people wandering around this innocent family, deceiving them, getting them to trust him, maybe encouraging a young lady to fall in love with him. Plenty of potential tension there!
Losing Sarah would be sad, but cluttering up the story with all kinds of delightful subplots that work so well for a t.v. series is not a good way to make a movie.
The more I think on it, I suspect the modern Collins clan probably live in a nice mansion, clearly of a later time than the Revolutionary War-era manor house where Barnabas grew up. That way, one hardly even needs to explain it.
And let me add this fun proviso--if this movie is a really huge hit, doesn't it make things that much more likely that somebody will use it as a template for a brand new t.v. series? If that happens, wouldn't it be the best possible outcome? [ghost_smiley]
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Making the movie set in the 70's is a stroke of genius I had never really considered! [ghost_nowink] I love it and this it's a brillant move. That is one of my favorite decade's anyway so I will be happy!
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1972 sets up some interesting soundtrack possibilities, too. Songs that came out that year that could be worked into the theme of the story that immediately jump to mind include:
Without You - Harry Nilsson
Layla - Derek and the Dominoes
The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face - Roberta Flack
Alone Again (Naturally) - Gilbert O'Sullivan
I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash
Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress - The Hollies
Little Willy - Sweet
Lean on Me - Bill Withers
I Am Woman - Helen Reddy
Burning Love - Elvis Presley
If You Don't Know Me By Now - Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes
Changes - David Bowie
Hurting Each Other - The Carpenters
Morning Has Broken - Cat Stevens
Baby, Baby Don't Get Hooked on Me - Mac Davis
Daddy Don't You Walk So Fast - Wayne Newton
Oh, PLEASE figure out how to get Little Willy in there!
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MsBryck: I'm just swooning over thinking about the great clothes and music of the 70's. Angelique will no doubt be a modern woman of the 1970's. So, Barnabas can just chew on that for awhile! It's just all so exhilerating thinking about this....
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Schultz & Wiremu tweeted something this morning that I think we might all agree with:
multidyer
This Twitter lark is OK but not allowed to tell all the good bits.... 8( never mind Dark Shadows will be even better for not knowing!!!
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As I've said, I certainly don't want to know too much - and I definitely think that if we don't know too much, watching the film will be a much better experience...
They also confirmed to someone who wondered (because she's STILL listed as "rumored" on IMDb [ghost_rolleyes]) if HBC is in the film that she actually is...
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i don't want or need anymore information about the plot but i am pleased with the outline we've been given.
it answers several questions we've all been asking...if HBC was doing the film,if vicki was a waitress,whether or not roger would be part of the cast...that i feel comforted knowing without having to much of the actual turn of events being spoiled.
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Can you imagine Barnabas reaction too Elvis? monster movies on TV? Carolyn aand David can
bring in some great comic challenges. Video games David might be engrossed in these.
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I just had an interesting thought about the film. According to the storyline details in the press-release, [spoiler]Barnabas is probably an only child, and has no children of his own.[/spoiler] So, where does the 1972 Collins family come from? They must have some ancestors. It this a flaw in the writing?
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[spoiler]He must have some younger siblings who are yet to be born when they come to the New World. He would still be Master of Collinwood then. Though he certainly could have had a child with Josette and that is what sets Angelique off... [/spoiler]
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Wow, a child with Josette. Never even considered that, but with the new re-writes, anything is possible.
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the "present time" collins family was never the offspring of barnabas or any of joshua and naomi's children for that matter...
they're descended from daniel collins of the new york branch of the family. so one can assume that for these purposes the current collins' are similarly descended from some other part of the family i guess.
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You could do that, yes, but for the limited amount of time, I'd hope they would go with a cleaner angle. After all, what is the point of having [spoiler]Joshua and Naomi coming to the New World[/spoiler] if their relatives are already here in another part of the country? Then again, it's possible that they kept with the same old story. But, due to time constraints, figuring out the whole cousins angle seems a little tedious. HOWEVER, we have to figure out the story Barnabas comes up with for his origins... That probably plays into this whole thing as well.
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My point, exactly. Assuming the 1968 ABC-TV storyline (the Daniel heritage) is abandoned -- who are the 1972 Collins family? And how are they related to Barnabas?
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Video games David might be engrossed in these.
In 1972 the only video game David may be into would be Pong we had one and after about an hour
it was boring so I am sure David would be "engrossed" in other things.
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Intriguing tweet from Chloe Moretz' brother:
TrevorDMoretz
Watching the most bizarrely brilliant performance from @chloegmoretz directed by #timburton I've ever seen, so fun to be nurtured creatively
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I had a suspicion that she might be shooting today because 8 hours ago she tweeted that it was too early to be up. [ghost_cheesy]
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Just noticed on IMDb that they've added Neil Swain as a dialect coach. Don't tell me the film is actually going to attempt to have the characters speak in a Maine dialect? That should be interesting...
Also, I see where the film has jumped up to #408 on MOVIEmeter, based mostly on reports that it has begun filming. That jump hasn't translated to many of the actors, though, because, with the exceptions of Depp, Moretz and Heathcote, their rankings have fallen. Heathcote enjoyed the biggest STARmeter jump, from 4,248 to 2,531, but then she has the much lower ranking. Moretz jumped from 121 to 73. And Depp jumped from 12 to 4 - though a great deal of that is naturally attributed to Pirates.
(And I swear I'm not the person who posted on the film's message board about how much they love Stan Hywet Hall and think it's a perfect example of Tudor architecture. (My Dream Collinwood (or would we really want "purely American" 1790s architecture
) That is simply another person with great taste in houses. [ghost_wink] [ghost_grin])
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Oops - I forgot to mention that Jonny Lee Miller's STARmeter rose from 1,500 to 1,374 - but that wasn't based on anything related to DS because news of his casting had yet to come out. It was actually based on some articles about Angelina Jolie (for those who don't know, Miller was once married to her).
It will be interesting, though, to see what his numbers are once his casting in the Depp/DS film are factored in...
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Perhaps she's done for the day:
ChloeGMoretz
Just got off set :) @trevordmoretz mom and I cooking a good ol' dinner with #EddieRedmayne :)
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A recent series of articles that Variety has featured spotlighting Pinewood's 75th Anniversary along with recent discussions here following WB's press release have me thinking about Collinwood in the Depp/DS film again. When I read the release, I didn't take the part that said that the once-grand estate of Collinwood had fallen into ruin to mean that the mansion was in ruins. As others have noted, that sort of phrasing is often part of Gothic plots and most often it simply means that a house has fallen into disrepair and the grounds haven't been kept up and are perhaps overgrown. And also in most cases people are still living in the house - it isn't that it's unlivable. However, that being said, I am very intrigued with the idea that Collinwood could have fallen into such a state that the house is actually unlivable. As others have said, that could certainly solve a problem if there is no Old House because, if the Collins family is living in some other mansion on the estate, Barnabas could move into Collinwood and fix it up. I can even imagine the three hippies alluded to on IMDb inadvertently stumbling into a section of what they think is a deserted house only to find that the house isn't quite as deserted as they thought is was and paying a very large price for trespassing. [ghost_wink] The thing about the house being in ruins, though, may mean that the exterior of Collinwood might be completely CGI generated, and I don't know what I think about that. But I do think I could accept a ruined Collinwood in CGI easier than I would a mansion that isn't in disrepair. But I suppose only time will tell because it could very easily be jumping the gun to think that Collinwood of the film will be unlivable in 1972.
But getting back to the Pinewood articles in Variety, one of them (which does mention that DS is currently shooting at Pinewood (The lay of the land (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118036661)) also mentions that Pinewood not only comes complete with its own mansion, called Heatherden Hall, but also formal gardens and a lake. The house isn't quite what I would picture as Collinwood, though parts of it could pass (or it could be used as an exterior or even the interior of the house where the Collinses reside should Collinwood be unlivable), but the gardens could be perfect because there appears to be walkways with gargoyles and fountains and what have you, all of which could be easily dressed down to look like they've seen better days (just as, say, the exterior of Greystone was in the pilot for the '91 Series). And thanks to the article in Variety, I came across this page on Pinewood's own Web site: Location Filming (http://www.pinewoodgroup.com/facilities/location-filming/). Simply scroll down and click on the photos in the "Heatherden Hall (exterior)" and "Pinewood Formal Gardens & Lake" sections. And as an added bonus, in the "Black Park" section there's also a cemetery with really old gravestones that looks like it could be a perfect location for the Depp/DS film. (There's also another mansion (Littleton House) in the Shepperton Studios Locations section, but there's been no mention of the Depp/DS film also utilizing Shepperton Studios Locations, so I'm disregarding what's there.)
Also speaking of Collinwood, there's been speculation on IMDb that a recent photo that's been posted to Flickr could be showing the construction of a Collinwood facade set. It's way too early in the construction as depicted to really know what they're building, but it's an interesting theory. Here's a link to the photo in question: Dark Shadows Film Set - 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5744764194/sizes/l/in/photostream/) (those Gothic windows coud perhaps be a part of Collinwood - or they could be a part of a church for all we know [ghost_cheesy]). (And there's also an even more obscure photo: Dark Shadows Film Set - 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5744764198/sizes/l/in/photostream/).)
Let the speculation continue...
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I just wanted to add that if the movie were set in 2011, I'm sure that a Willie of 2011 would be able to put together a BS internet profil for Barnabas, it isn't that hard. Also, I know real people that you can do a search on and get nothing.
Oh, and Barnabas could give Josette a ringtone to remind her of him. I think we all know what it would sound like.
It could be done, is all I'm saying.
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i thought the film had already started shooting?
how is it that the sets are still in such an early stage? if filming's begun i'd think they'd be complete or very close to it. [ghost_huh]
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I don't know but I think that some sets could be used early on in the filming and other sets could be used later. Maybe some sets are completed and they are filming on those and later they will film on other sets. They may ever have to complete all filming on some sets in order to strike those and build others.
I'm just saying.
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The second photo of the lot is entitled: "Site for construction of 'The Palace' for the new Dark Shadows film."
The Palace at Collinwood, eh? Kind of shaped like Carey Mansion, imo. It just needs a central tower. And with those curvey shapes on the left, it could have one. [ghost_wink]
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The second photo of the lot is entitled: "Site for construction of 'The Palace' for the new Dark Shadows film."
Excellent find. You're the one and only person that I've seen who's even tracked that down because every site that I've come across with an item and/or discussion about the photos goes directly to the photos rather than starting at the original postings by aston5man.
So then, it actually is a facade of Collinwood set. [ghost_smiley]
And I also see that in a reply to one of the comments he says that he "will try to put a few more pics up shortly." Let's hope he's allowed back on the location after the construction has gotten further enough along so that we can have a much better idea of what the facade is going to look like. Three Gothic windows doesn't tell us much. [ghost_wink]
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Filming a major motion picture takes more than a month, and sets are usually built as needed only. They aren't generally intended to last long, so they tend to be finished within a day or two of being used. Actual construction of facades and the like don't take as long as you might think. It isn't as if they actually need to an entire house, or even an entire room. I'm just saying. Odds are, filming will be completed by the end of June or by early July. Then the very very long process of post-production.
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If what we've been lead to believe from a few different sources is accurate, shooting will go into August. [ghost_smiley] (One source said that it might even last into the fall.) Apparently the film is a complex shoot.
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That sounds about right. Johnny has expressed interest in doing extensive promotions for The Rum Diary, and there was even talk of a tour of a few college campuses. TRD comes out in late Oct., but there are several film fests in Sept so I'd imagine the promos to get sandwiched in between somewhere. It is a small film and he's producing, and he was also a dear friend of the author, Hunter S. Thompson, so I think he would want to be finished with DS so that he could devote his full time to that. Then, The Lone Ranger is also tentatively scheduled for fall, so I'd think DS might be done by Aug-Sept, but that's just a guess.
Edited to add- should've mentioned that Johnny's films with Tim have tended to shoot for at least 3 to 4 months. I think that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory stretched to even 5 months. Sweeney Todd went from end of Feb to May of 2007, I think, and Alice most of the fall of... which year, 2008?
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^^^ Oop, sorry, Sweeney Todd started early Feb. Production dates Feb 5-May 11, so just over 3 months. That didn't include recording the vocals, but it did include a brief delay when Johnny's daughter became seriously ill. So 3 months is possible, even for Tim Burton [ghost_smiley]
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Wow.
All the more reason for some sets to still be under construction, then.
Changing subject a tiny bit...
Of course, the press release earlier doesn't really give much away as far as the plot is concerned, does it? More of the set-up, which is vital and fascinating but I'm not entirely sure what the central conflict of the film is, not at all. Not like you can say "Alice is about the little girl returning to Wonderland to help overthrow the evil Queen of Hearts" or "Sweeney Todd is about a wronged madman seeking vengeance" etc.
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Depp's part in the film should wrap before actual shooting ends because Thomas McDonell, who'll play the young Barnabas, has said that all the stuff with him is what's being shot last. He's also the one that said he wouldn't start shooting until the fall. But then, he also said that filming had begun weeks before it actually had, so his time frame for when he's expected to shoot could also be off. [ghost_wink]
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I'm not entirely sure what the central conflict of the film is, not at all. Not like you can say "Alice is about the little girl returning to Wonderland to help overthrow the evil Queen of Hearts" or "Sweeney Todd is about a wronged madman seeking vengeance" etc.
They haven't really told us what the central conflict will be. From what Eva Green has said, Angelique and Barnabas will certainly have conflict. But how the present day Collinses could or even would play into that is a mystery. They seemingly all have secrets of their own, so perhaps there may actually be multiple conflicts within the film's present day plot. Time will tell...
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Depp's part in the film should wrap before actual shooting ends because Thomas McDonell, who'll play the young Barnabas, has said that all the stuff with him is what's being shot last. He's also the one that said he wouldn't start shooting until the fall. But then, he also said that filming had begun weeks before it actually had, so his time frame for when he's expected to shoot could also be off. [ghost_wink]
Ah yes, good point. That said, Johnny is a producer this time, so I'm not sure if that'd mean he'd like to stick around at all for the end or not. It's possible he'd leave things in Tim's hands because he trusts him so much. We'll see!
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The Palace at Collinwood, eh? Kind of shaped like Carey Mansion, imo.
I blew up the picture to try to get a better idea, and the layout of the frame seems to be something resembling this:
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Of course, the dimensions are certainly off a bit because of the angle the photo is taken from. And in places it's hard to tell if the metal bars are running parallel of if they jut out again. But that's about the best I could do. It seems to come close to the basic layout. [ghost_smiley] Or at least the layout as it is in the photo. Who's to say there isn't more to add to the frame before they attach the wood...
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I find the photo interesting, because (as others have said) -- it does seem to be in the shape of the Carey Mansion. On the other hand, I am a little surprised they would build a set for the exterior of Collinwood, because there must be dozens of real homes in that part of England which could represent Collinwood wonderfullly.
Additionally, since most of us DS fans are hoping for a sequel, or even a trilogy -- then wouldn't it seem a mistake to use a set for the exterior? A set that will have to be re-built for each sequel? A real mansion makes more sense to me.
Still, I'll be very happy if they recreate the Carey Mansion in some way.
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It's still way too early to tell what the facade is going to end up looking like, but about the only similarities between the frame and Carey Mansion at this point is that there's one wing coming off of another - and that's a very common architectural design. However, the frame for the wing that's on the left side of my rendition is laid out very differently from what Carey Mansion actually looks like. And also, Carey Mansion doesn't feature any Gothic windows of the style seen in the assembled piece on the ground.
On the other hand, IF they were to do some sort of take on Carey Mansion but with Gothic windows and other elements more architecturally appropriate than the actual Carey Mansion's features, I would certainly be up for that. [thumb]
Time will tell...
I am a little surprised they would build a set for the exterior of Collinwood, because there must be dozens of real homes in that part of England which could represent Collinwood wonderfullly.
True. Though building facades rather than shooting at actual locations is often Burton's MO. For example, for Sleepy Hollow he built a portion of the front facade of the main house in the film and the rest was completely CGI generated. And also like SH, he's building an entire village for the Depp/DS film.
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Good question, Neil. Seems a little weird to me, too. I will have to dig out my copy of Sleepy Hollow and listen to either the commentary and/or the "making of" featurette, because I seem to recall Tim Burton telling some reasons why he prefers to build sets over shooting on location. For SH they built a whole town of facades! And all the other "exteriors" were actually done indoors at Pinewood. He *does* sometimes use existing locations, such as the mansion used at the beginning of Alice In Wonderland, and I think the factory (or was it something else??) for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was "real." But maybe he just prefers to have control over his own creations, for some reason. Also, in the case of Sweeney Todd, that was all built too but in that case they seemed to be deliberately going for something that was not quite realistic-looking- almost hyper-real, in a way. Well, if I remember to check out my SH DVD and it sheds any light on this, I'll let y'all know.
Cathy
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BTW, Tim Burton and Helena Bonham-Carter were guests at the Buckingham Palace state dinner Wed evening for President and Mrs. Obama.
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BTW, Tim Burton and Helena Bonham-Carter were guests at the Buckingham Palace state dinner Wed evening for President and Mrs. Obama.
Wonder if Obama pulled secrets out of Burton about the Depp/DS film? [ghost_cheesy]
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3D is hurting the movie industry, says analyst (http://3dradar.techradar.com/3d-tech/3d-hurting-movie-industry-says-analyst-25-05-2011)
Yet more evidence to fan many DS fans' fears that shooting the Depp/DS film in 3D may not be a good idea - and it uses Depp's own Pirates 4 as an example.
Changing reels, just before I opened the Google link for this article, I saw one that was entitled "Johnny Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer begin shooting Dark Shadows!" For a split second I actually thought it might be about Depp and Pfeiffer shooting a scene together and that we might get some small detail of what it was. But apparently I was delirious to even think such a thing for even a split second because the article turned out to be the umpteenth printing of WB's press release from last week. [ghost_sad]
But one day - and who knows when that day will come - but one day we really are bound to get an article that shares some small detail about shooting. [ghost_smiley]
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This is such an exciting time for DS! It's almost surreal that this film is finally happening. I sincerely hope they get it right. The best part is the fact that this film will bring lots of attention to the classic series. It could lead to more great things for the original DS!
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Well - isn't this person optimistic and open minded. [ghost_rolleyes]
“Dark Shadows,” the Movie....Seriously? (http://www.ahherald.com/columns-mainmenu-28/armchair-critic/10975-dark-shadows-the-movieseriously)
And she seems to think the film is being shot in CA. Plus she jumps to at least one major conclusion that is clearly contradicted by numerous reports about the film. So, I think she needs to pay better attention, or at least do much better research.
But she did get one thing right: it is about time that someone finally recognized the wealth of untapped potential in DS. [ghost_smiley]
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I would certainly hope that Josette is in this movie. I would be extremely disappointed if she is not.
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Thinking that the film bypasses the Barnabas/Josette/Angelique triangle is the conclusion I was referring to. Clearly it hasn't been dropped and will indeed play out in some form in the film. I mean, Victoria can't resemble Barnabas' lost love without the woman who embodied that lost love being established in the film in some way.
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I assume WB left out Josette's character in its press release to prevent the new audience from learning a major story line. However, the new audience with a simple search will know of her character plus the movie trailers may reveal her in any event.
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Yes, definitely beware of trailers. [ghost_rolleyes]
Although, given how adamant Burton is that nothing gets out about his films that he doesn't specifically want to get out, I wonder if he has trailer approval in his contract? Some directors do so that the studios don't reveal too much.
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Hmmm - Chloe Moretz has changed her background image on her Twitter page. I wonder what it might be from? Dare we hope?
It's an awfully sophisticated look for a 14-year-old. So, if it is from DS, the film's Collinses would really have to go all out when they dress for dinner. [ghost_wink] But perhaps it could actually be from a photo shoot for Elle UK because someone from the magazine tweeted 3 hours ago that Chloe "dazzled in Azzaro," which, thanks to Google, I now know is a designer clothing line.
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it's funny how perception of age has changed since the original DS run.
michelle pfeiffer is only three years younger than joan bennett was when she took on the role of "matriarch" elizabeth collins stoddard yet while bennett very much looked and played the part as a woman in late middle age pfeiffer is still considered by many to be "young".
that said i do think she's too old to have been considered for the part of angelique.
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I know what you mean, mscbryk. But I do hope that Pfeiffer's youthful appearance doesn't change the type of Elizabeth we are used to seeing... She's one of my favorite characters, if not my favorite.
As for the other topic, Josette is such an integral part of Dark Shadows, it would be hard imagining it without her. She was the one constant in the series. She was there in the earliest episodes and continued to be present until the bitter end. It was Josette that really helped save the series. She was the supernatural element which led to the others. And in all of the three major supernatural stories of the early years, Josette was the glue that held them together. Once that final early supernatural storyline took off in its own direction, the character of Josette became further cemented into the history of the show, eventually earning her own popular theme song. Where would we be without Josette? Nowhere. I hope the creators of the new version see it the same way.
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Apparently it's another Carolyn day of the set:
ChloeGMoretz
Morningg :) lil bit of breakie and then onto hair/make up :) hope everyone has a nice day xxxxx
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Also, just noticed that yesterday Krysia Whitty, who is working on the Depp/DS film as a props buyer/researcher, tweeted:
kr_shhh
There are Johnny depp fans hanging outside @PinewoodStudios hoping to catch a glimpse!
25 May
I wonder if any actually got a glimpse?
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The caption for the photo accompanying this article and the article itself answer the question of where Chloe Moretz new background Twitter photo came from (sadly, it's not DS - but as I said, it did look a bit too sophisticated): Fashion's Child Star: Chloe Grace Moretz talks Johnny Depp (Vogue.com UK) (http://www.vogue.co.uk/news/daily/110526-chloe-grace-moretz-talks-johnny-dep.aspx)
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Just so excited! I am no around a lot these days but I am lurking. I have been busy. I am enjoying all this news! So happy!
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it's funny how perception of age has changed since the original DS run.
michelle pfeiffer is only three years younger than joan bennett was when she took on the role of "matriarch" elizabeth collins stoddard yet while bennett very much looked and played the part as a woman in late middle age pfeiffer is still considered by many to be "young".
I attributed it to all the "50 Is The New 30," "60 Is The New 40," and especially the "60 Is The New 30"(!) articles that are written. Nowadays no one wants to slip into middle age gracefully as people once did. Seemingly everyone wants to hold onto their youth for as long as possible - and thus articles with titles like the ones I've quoted are written. And of course, people who perceive themselves as young are going to see others in their age group as young as well. I'm guessing the woman who wrote that piece can't conceive of any 50-something woman as matriarchal material - she probably thinks a woman has to be at least 70-something before she reaches that stage. [ghost_wink]
The really interesting thing about that piece is that I've seen it being discussed in several different DS venues - and universally it's being ripped to shreds - and by the very fans of the original series that she felt won't like how the Depp/DS film is being handled...
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As for the other topic, Josette is such an integral part of Dark Shadows, it would be hard imagining it without her. She was the one constant in the series. She was there in the earliest episodes and continued to be present until the bitter end. It was Josette that really helped save the series. She was the supernatural element which led to the others. And in all of the three major supernatural stories of the early years, Josette was the glue that held them together. Once that final early supernatural storyline took off in its own direction, the character of Josette became further cemented into the history of the show, eventually earning her own popular theme song. Where would we be without Josette? Nowhere. I hope the creators of the new version see it the same way.
And yet the interesting thing about Josette is that a significant portion of the original audience tired of her - or at least tired of Barnabas' constant obsession with her. Such fans wrote letters of complaint to the various daytime magazines and to the studio itself. And that prompted the show to feature the scene in Ep #948 in which Josette's ghost gives Barnabas back her ring and tells him that he must forget about her, move on, and start a new life. And from that point on Barn indeed does, embarking on relationships with the various Roxannes - and in 1840 Ep #1113 even the newly released from his coffin Barn tells Josette's portrait that, though he will never forget, he insists he must begin a new life, and apologizing says goodbye and not so subtly lifts the portrait off the mantle in her room and puts it, face turned away, against the fireplace.
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The thing is--Elizabeth only needs to be old enough to have a daughter in her mid-teens. Michelle Pfeiffer certainly qualifies.
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Exactly! And not to be rude, but Michelle Pfeiffer could easily have a daughter twice that age...
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And yet the interesting thing about Josette is that a significant portion of the original audience tired of her - or at least tired of Barnabas' constant obsession with her. Such fans wrote letters of complaint to the various daytime magazines and to the studio itself. And that prompted the show to feature the scene in Ep #948 in which Josette's ghost gives Barnabas back her ring and tells him that he must forget about her, move on, and start a new life. And from that point on Barn indeed does, embarking on relationships with the various Roxannes - and in 1840 Ep #1113 even the newly released from his coffin Barn tells Josette's portrait that, though he will never forget, he insists he must begin a new life, and apologizing says goodbye and not so subtly lifts the portrait off the mantle in her room and puts it, face turned away, against the fireplace.
Well, it's understandable that the audience would want to see something new. I mean, Barnabas had been after Josette for about 1,000 days in a row. Naturally, changing things up was something that seemed necessary - especially with the various incarnations of Josette in 1897. However, which characters have withstood the test of time? Barnabas, Quentin, Angelique, and Josette. Those are the main names you hear from outside circles. Lots of DS fans don't even know who Roxanne is, letalone people on the outside. She's an interesting character, but I never felt she was right for Barnabas. And I tired more quickly of Barnabas's affections for Roxanne than I ever did of his love for Josette. The Josette character had a history which they could never duplicate with Roxanne. Perhaps the original viewing audience wanted Barnabas to give Josette up - not for another "young thing," but for the good Dr. Hoffman... I don't think too many people were blown away by the new storyline the writers chose with Roxanne. It never really lived up to his first - and arguably only true - love.
I always felt that the mantle scene had more to do with the fact that KLS left than anything else. It always seemed like a little bit of a swipe at KLS for leaving and not something I ever really considered to be part of the official DS cannon, much like other events which happened later on as the series was winding down. After awhile, the series lost what made it magical. It still had the name, but the essence of Dark Shadows was gone as soon as Barnabas gave up Josette, imo. The Collins family of PT allowed the show to extend its original essence, harkening back to the earliest storylines, but never again was Barnabas ever really very relevant. Without Josette, he seemed to be a shell of his former self. Scenes with Julia and Angelique recaptured the old Barnabas, but he was never really a "whole" character after they switched to PT.
I am excited to see what makes our new Barnabas tick. Whether it be Josette or something else, I hope that the writers really get to his core and allow the audience to feel for him.
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A few quick as possible comments - and the only reason they're going to be that way is because to get into the issues deeply would really be off topic for this particular topic (but it might be fun to see them discussed more fully in a topic of their own).
Personally, I was always into the Barnabas/Josette relationship. I'm not sure why - maybe it's because it seemed to have a depth that many of the other romantic pairings on the show didn't. Though at the same time I have to say that that depth came mostly from Barnabas' own feelings about it. I can't say that when the relationship itself was actually seen in the 1795/76 storyline that it actually lived up to the hype, as it were, for me. However, strictly from Barnabas' perspective, I always rooted for Barnabas to get his Josette. Hell, I would have even been happy had hoDS ended with Barn making Maggie Josette. (But alas...) And I really look forward to the take the Depp/DS film is going to bring to it.
As for Roxanne, I actually enjoyed Barnabas' relationships with all the versions of her - there was a freshness about them. Did they have the same weight as his perceived relationship with Josette? Well, no. But it wasn't really a competition. It was meant to take the show and Barnabas in a new direction and that's exactly what it did. So, I suppose mission accomplished. That all being said, though, when I brought up Roxanne, I never meant that she should be compared to Josette or Josette's place in the show. It was just to emphasize that once the vocal portion of the audience who had decided that Josette had run her course won out with the DS PTB, Barnabas did indeed move on to someone else, and even when out of necessity Josette came up in a plot, she was quickly dispatched.
And as far as DS canon goes, we can't really pick and choose what we feel is canon and what isn't. If it was on the show, it was canon. There's no getting around that, no matter how much we may personally dislike what happened. (If I could wipe out what I disliked, Jeb and Carolyn's marriage to him would not exist. But he did and it did, and I have no choice but to accept those facts. [ghost_wink])
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I find it interesting that a women who looks younger than middle-age (even if she is middle-aged) gets plenty of discussion about her qualifications to play a more mature role than that of a young ingenue. Hurumph!
I have to disagree with the assumption that Barnabas was a 'playboy extraordinaire' in the original show. I think Joshua worked him practically to death to learn the business. I'm sure he had his share of women along the way. Since Ang was the personal maid in the DuPrey household, he took quite a chance bedding her while courting the young Josette under the same roof. Not a very nice houseguest, eh?
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Actually, on the original show Barnabas didn't have a relationship with Josette while he had a relationship with Angelique. It wasn't until after Barn left Martinique and he and Josette corresponded that their relationship began.
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It's interesting to note that in the first episode in 1967 where Barnabas visits the ruined Old House, he speaks to Josette's portrait without any trance of romantic obsession, informing her that her influence upon him, and Joshua's, "is over" and he now claims his home as his own. I remember being very surprised the first time I had the chance to see this episode again upon the release of the first MPI tapes. Obviously, this was before the writers had had the chance to establish any sort of backstory for Barnabas.
I don't recall the 1840 scene, but it is interesting that presumably purely by accident similar scenes were played when Barnabas, newly liberated from his coffin, revisited his home.
G.
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According to Robert Costello they did have the backstory for Barnabas before he ever appeared and they stuck with it as written until they went to 1795 where everything went out the window. But be that as it may, I really think that seeing/meeting Maggie is the trigger that set Barnabas off on the original show and in hoDS. If there had never been a Maggie who resembled Josette, Barn may have never become so obsessed with recreating her, which is why both those scenes with Josette's portrait in both 1967 and 1840 make sense.
It will be very interesting to see how Barnabas' attraction to Victoria plays out in the Depp/DS film. Will it be like the original show and hoDS with Maggie's resemblance to Josette? Or will it be more like the way things played out with Victoria in the '91 Series?
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I think its going to be interesting to see a "younger" version of Elizabeth. Women just look younger these days. And Michelle looks great. I think she will bring a wonderful regal grace to Liz. She defiantly has always been a class act in my book. And Chloe could be her daughter for real. The pics Chloe has tweeted have been great. It's great to get live updates about our beloved DS on Twitter! :) I am not a big tweeter but I do follow my stars! I love the line about Chloe saying she shoot the most amazingly weird scene with Tim, or something to that affect. DS was amazing and DS was weird. Sounds perfect!
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Actually, on the original show Barnabas didn't have a relationship with Josette while he had a relationship with Angelique. It wasn't until after Barn left Martinique and he and Josette corresponded that their relationship began.
Barnabas did say (in 1795) that he loved Josette when he and Angelique were together, but didn't know if Josette returned his love. I think that is where many viewers get the idea that he was whooping it up with Angelique while courting the virginal Josette. Obviously, Barnabas and Josette weren't communicating very well in Martinique because, from what she said later, it had been love at first sight for Josette. Miscommunication and Barnabas seemed to go hand in hand. [confused2]
I find that 1967 scene between Barnabas and Josette's portrait rather fascinating. He seems almost ticked off at her, as if he felt she might have been in league with Joshua to have him chained up. It's intriguing to wonder what Barn's original backstory might have been. Even two weeks before the 1795 story began, he was saying things that didn't match up with what we were soon to see.
Ever since Michelle P was cast as Liz, I've been reading comments about her being too young for the part. But a actress in her 50s today isn't going to look quite the same as an actress in her 50s did back when DS aired. That's simply a fact. Perhaps we need to update our mental image of a "matriarch". I'm looking forward to seeing what Michelle brings to the role.
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It would be great if they could find the outline for the original backstory as I always wondered what they came with for how Barnabas became a vampire prior to Angelique.
It's odd that Julia or Wille never asked him how he was turned, it was never really hinted at prior to 1795, except for the mantle scene with Josetts's portrait and the episode when the seance is held.
With Julia attempting to cure him, she certainly should have asked how he got that way prior to starting any kind of cure.
It's intriguing to wonder what Barn's original backstory might have been. Even two weeks before the 1795 story began, he was saying things that didn't match up with what we were soon to see.
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It's odd that Julia or Wille never asked him how he was turned, it was never really hinted at prior to 1795
Oh, I'm sure they asked--but whether or how Barn answered is another story altogether! I'm sure he kept as much of it as possible from them for as long as possible.
I'm pretty sure that some time after the 1795 story, as Barnabas grew to trust and rely on Julia more, he told her little bits of the story, but never the complete version. At some point, there's a scene with the two of them having a confidential conversation in the mausoleum. (Well, doesn't EVERYBODY have their confidential conversations in a mausoleum??) I don't remember any of the dialogue, but as the scene opens, we can infer from what Julia says that Barnabas has finally told her the whole story of Josette and Angelique and how A. made him a vampire. I wish I could remember what else was happening at the time. Maybe it was when Barn was trying to decide whether to go through with Dr. Lang's experiment. Or maybe it was when Cassandra appeared on the scene and he recognized her. Of course Julia would want to know why he reacted so strongly. I suppose it's safe to say that by that time Willie was also aware of most of the story, if not all the details.
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And it's another Carolyn day:
ChloeGMoretz
La, La, La on set yay yay yay.....
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ChloeGMoretz
Lunchy lunch time, listeningg to #FlorenceAndTheMachine
3 hours ago
(I love Florence and the Machine - but then the video for Dog Days Are Over and its '60 hair and sleeveless dresses have already been discussed on the forum. [ghost_wink])
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MB, that's an intriguing theory that it was meeting Maggie that suddenly sent Barn over the edge down the "must find my Josette again" trail. And that subsequently, when Maggie "fails to work out," suddenly he wants Vicki not as herself but as "my new Josette."
My favorite image of Josette was actually in the original Laura storyline as the Guardian of Collinwood. I wrote a story once in which the spirit of Vicki returns, having lived a full and happy life through a time in the 19th century, to take up the place Josette originally occupied as the Guardian spirit of the family and the estate.
G.
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Totally agree Gothick. Loved Josette as the ANGEL OF COLLINWOOD of sorts! :)
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as cousin barnabas pointed out the characters that seem to have resonated with the general public over the years are barnabas,angelique,quentin and josette...
with barnabas,angelique and quentin i get it. they appear in hundreds of episodes over a period of years and are pivotal to most of the plots. but what i've always found striking about josette is that for all of her name recognition she actually only appeared on the series as a real flesh and blood character for about three months. so if one hadn't been watching the show from say december of 1967 to march of 1968 you never actually saw josette. yet her "presence" and association with the entire scope of the show are stratospheric.
characters that "looked like" josette(maggie,rachel,kitty) or "reminded" barnabas of josette(victoria)came out of the woodwork but they were not in fact josette. yet that name is remembered by everyone . i've always found that remarkable.
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I really do think that Josette's importance in the audience's mind can be traced directly to the importance Barnabas placed on her in his own life. Yes, she was a significant part of the show before Barn arrived on the scene - but once he was tied in with her and then took off as such a huge character on the show, she, if you will, road his coattails. And even though the problem with that was that the show dipped into the Josette well once too often with all the "looked like" and "reminded" characters and a good portion of the audience eventually threw their hands up and screamed "Enough already!" because they became tired of it, over time those people seem to forget their dissatisfaction with that aspect of the storylines, and Josette manages to return to her former place of prominence in their minds.
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I know I had gotten tired of the Josette part of the series before 1897, and there they did the lookalike angle twice!
I never considered her a major character myself.
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I know I had gotten tired of the Josette part of the series before 1897, and there they did the lookalike angle twice!
I never considered her a major character myself.
yeah having two josette lookalikes in the same storyline was pretty lame.
my impression of it that it was not the original intention to have the two characters but that the storyline went on much longer than originally planned and they needed to find a way to bring KLS back into the storyline and get the "josette thing" going again.
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I just have this sneaking feeling in my bones EVA GREEN will take something from her viewing of Lara Parker on Youtube and mesh Lara how she (Eva) views Angelique as a character. I am not saying she will be a Parker incarnate. I do think she will mix a bit of Parker somewhere for our viewing pleasure along with Bette Davis and Janis Joplin!!!!! [banana2] [banana2] [banana2] [banana2] [banana2]
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If KLS hadn't asked for an extended leave of absence to accompany Ben Martin on assignment in Africa, there probably wouldn't have been two Josette lookalikes in 1897. But I have to confess that I actually liked how things worked out because I really got into Kitty being Josette's reincarnation and how Kitty was used to herald Barnabas' return. But then I'm actually in the camp that likes the reincarnation angle. I can certainly see the other side's POV because since DS used it, it has been worked to death. But at the same time I also liked how Vicki being Josette's reincarnation played in the '91 Series - to me it definitely deepened the connection between Barn and Vicki. And it will certainly be interesting to see how the Depp/DS film plays it. If I had to make a choice, I probably would like to see them use the reincarnation angle again. [a2a3] But at the same time I won't be terribly disappointed if they don't...
As for Eva Green's take on Angelique, that's one of the things I'm most looking forward to seeing when it comes to the Depp/DS film.
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Thing is until 1897, it had been months since we heard a peep out of Barnabas in regards to Josette. So, Rachel was a welcome sight, imo. But, Kitty was definitely an improvement over Rachel. The reincarnation was one of my favorite things about 1897. It was a perfect end to a great story. Now, if only they hadn't cut it off so short. And yes, count me in the camp who wanted Barnabas and Josette to finally end up together in HODS. And one of the folks who really enjoys the reincarnation aspect of the original and revival. There is just so much more tension when it's there, though I wouldn't mind if they went with a mad Maggie approach for the new version to spice things up a little. Barnabas is a lot more demented when he kidnaps girls and tries to turn them into his perfect bride, and that is certainly enjoyable too.
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I see where the Hollywood Reporter has put up an article on their Web site entitled "Tim Burton Talks Frankenweenie at the Opening of His Star-Studded Museum Retrospective in Los Angeles". Really? Frankenweenie?! Who the hell cares about Frankenweenie?! [ghost_angry] Well, I suppose someone does. Someone at this retrospective event obviously did. But I strongly suspect most of us would have much preferred to hear about DS. [ghost_wink] (DS is merely mentioned in passing. [ghost_sad])
Well, perhaps in some other article...
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Instead of the two Josette lookalikes, they should have sent Rachael away for a while (when KLS left) and then return, now knowing she is the reincarnation of Josette.
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Checking tweets about DS on Twitter lead me to this report on the Vampires.com Web site (which, interestingly enough, Google never seems to have sent an alert about): Dark Shadows Update #2 (http://www.vampires.com/dark-shadows-update-2/). The info is dated as it was posted back on April 3rd. However, I thought it was worth sharing for the graphic. That just might be the best photoshopping of Depp into the original Barnabas portrait. And I don't know where the other photo of Depp is from, but he looks positively menacing. It's enough to actually make one hope that Depp might keep his facial hair for Barn...
And speaking of Web articles one can come across via Twitter, apparently there are quite a few DS fans in Brazil because dozens of people have been tweeting about and sharing two separate articles that have been posted on Brazilian Web sites about the Depp/DS film.
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Whoa, I love that portrait, I wish I could have it! [ghost_smiley] The pic in the foreground looks to me like a photoshoot Johnny did with a photographer named John Huba during Chocolat filming. It's probably this one- I will give a link because it's kind of large and I don't know what the size limit is here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/photographers/huba%20john/hubad7.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/photographers/huba%20john/hubad7.jpg)
He's pretty much the opposite of menacing in Chocolat (ie., eye candy [ghost_wink] ), so it's the photoshopped eyes that give him the cool vamp vibe. (Incidentally, his hair is long there- it's tied back in a ponytail, which is kinda how I was hoping to see Johnny, but oh well!) I also think the facial hair could be a very cool touch. Johnny is usually clean-shaven in Tim's films (the exception being parts of Ed Wood where he has the teensiest bit of moustache) so it's time for a change! [ghost_wink] Whenever any new candid photos of Johnny might pop up in the media now after filming has started, we will get an idea of whether he's clean-shaven or not.
And yeah, I know a great Brazilian fan forum/site with some very nice folks on it, so yes, I think that there are lots of Deppfans there!
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Well, perhaps in some other article...
Well, at least this one has a "token" DS question: Is That Sammy Davis, Jr.’s Corpse on Tim Burton’s Sofa? (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/05/29/tim-burtons-house-scares-small-children/)
Some improvement - but still. And I don't know why Burton would assume the interviewer was going to ask why and why that should prompt him to then laugh hysterically. [ghost_azn]
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Well, at least this one has a "token" DS question:
What a waste of a token question. [ghost_sad]
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It certainly was a waste. [ghost_rolleyes]
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There have been reports out of Asheville, NC that Burton and Depp were there supposedly scouting locations last Wednesday, Thursday and Friday - however that would seem to conflict with other info we've gotten from what would seem to be more reliable sources. For one, Chloe Moretz tweeted that she was on set on Thursday and Friday - was she directing herself? And GK Films, The Hollywood Reporter, and the Wall Street journal all reported that Burton flew from London to LA on Friday for his artwork retrospective on Saturday and that he only stayed in LA the one day because he had to get back to London for DS. So, it would appear that either all those sources were lying or misled to cover up the fact that Burton was really in NC - or the reports out of NC have no idea what they're talking about. Well, unless Depp was there alone and people simply assumed Burton was with him. But then, when it comes to Depp, people aren't above making things up. After all, not that long ago there were all sorts of reports about things Depp was supposedly doing in London while he was actually in New Orleans shooting his cameo for the 21 Jump Street update and in Chicago doing Oprah. We know Depp is talented, but I doubt his talents allow him to be in more than one place at the same time. And it's also interesting that none of this is being reported anywhere but the Around Asheville Web site...
Of course, there's also the question of why anyone connected with the Depp/DS film would even be scouting locations in NC...
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UPDATE: Not that this will come as a surprise to us, but the whole thing has been revealed to be a hoax, and a hotel employee at the hotel where Burton and Depp were supposedly staying while in Asheville has been disciplined for spreading false info.
I don't honestly understand why people make up these sorts of things. More often than not they end up biting them in the ass (how stupid can one be to claim celebrities are staying in the hotel you work in when the hotel quite obviously knows they're not?!), so what's the point? [ghost_rolleyes]
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I dunno, I don't trust the idea that this hotel employee is being "disciplined" too much. Call me a skeptic, but you know what they say about "no publicity is bad publicity"? Stories like this pop all the time, and it's to get attention and publicity- for the town (or hotel) in question, or for the newspapers or online sites that publish it. Get used to this- Johnny is sighted everywhere, all the time, even if he is already known to be someplace else [ghost_grin] And the casual reader is never going to really care about any one story or how true it is. Good rule of thumb- if there is a photo, it's true. Even then, sometimes you have to look closely because there are a lot of impersonators out there [ghost_tongue2]
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We know Depp is talented, but I doubt his talents allow him to be in more than one place at the same time.
Ha! Must be the same people who believed Vicki was in two places at once when she was supposed to be in gaol and went back to Collinwood to get the family history. [ghost_shocked]
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Probably, barnabasjr. [ghost_wink]
I dunno, I don't trust the idea that this hotel employee is being "disciplined" too much.
Actually, there's a new story from the hotel: the entire hoax was caused by a "former" hotel employee who was "confused." Yeah, right. [ghost_rolleyes]
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According to TB, Dark Shadows will not be in 3D...
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/tim-burton-grilled-his-lacma-exhibition-johnny-depp-dark-shadows-27802
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Boo!
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Finally - an interview from the weekend with some substantive talk about DS. [thumb] Thanks so much for posting the link to it, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
I'm sorry for the people who'll be disappointed that it won't be in 3D, but I can't say I'm one of them. I do wonder, though, if it will still be in IMAX? That's something else that was originally mentioned. IMAX I would enjoy. [ghost_wink]
The thing I find most interesting is Burton's explanation of the tone they're attempting to capture. I definitely like that they're going for some sort of soapy quality. And there's no doubt that his reference to funny isn't funny ha ha but funny peculiar.
It's also interesting that they've, as Burton put it, "slammed right into it." But then, Chloe Moretz' brother's tweet on May 23rd pretty much told us that they'd done that with her.
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I wonder if TB's schedule prevented him from filming the movie in 3D and I assume he would have had to spend more time in post production(?). I certainly hope the film is not later converted into 3D-seen some terrible conversions. I thought WB announced somewhere that it will be in IMAX(?) It seems TB is still searching for that elusive vibe for the movie-glad he opened up a bit something I doubt he will do often during its filming.
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There is a new Flickr photo of set construction for DS- it's starting to look like a real mansion [ghost_smiley]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5776502499/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5776502499/in/photostream/)
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Very interesting!
With the first photo of the frame you really couldn't tell that it was only going to be the first floor - and if that blue sticking up from what will presumably be a section of a tower is any indication, it's looking like the first floor is all they're going to build and the rest of the house will be CGI generated (as was the case with Sleepy Hollow). It's also looking like the part that's gray is supposed to resemble stone, the part that's white is waiting for the stone finishing, and the part that's wood is newly constructed. And even though the layout is different from Carey Mansion, it does seem like it will have a Carey Mansion sort of feel to it. But of course, only time will tell...
Thanks so much for posting the link, madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
I see there''s also this one - though it doesn't show things anywhere near as well: Dark Shadows Film Set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5776501507/sizes/l/in/photostream/)
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*facepalm* Would they quit using the words, funny and Dark Shadows, within the same sentence? That really burns me.
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Though I really do think that in this instance Burton means the show has a peculiar tone or at least one differing from the ordinary - he's not saying it's humorous. And obviously DS is different from the ordinary in almost every way possible. So, within the context that Burton used "funny," I found it to be reassuring that that's the sort of tone he's attempting to capture for the film.
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An interesting technical article in Variety that's much more related to the Depp/DS film than the title would make it appear (because someone recently hired by Technicolor is working on the Depp/DS film and he discusses his process): Technicolor taps Potter, 'Rings' vet (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118037765)
Also Chloe Moretz' brother is tweeting about DS and his sister again. Here are his tweets, some of the more interesting replies, and his responses to them:
TrevorDMoretz
hello everyone, working working Dark Shadowing all day every day, i'm a work zombie
10 hours ago
WLechnerMUC
@TrevorDMoretz *lol* Isn't it supposed to be a vampire movie? Well, good luck on set - hope you and @ChloeGMoretz have a great time... :)
10 hours ago
DoreoC
@TrevorDMoretz I know how you feel :/ just that instead of working on a freaking awesome movie with Depp and Chloe, I do HW all day :(
10 hours ago
tallmanjon
@TrevorDMoretz hope it's all going well chap, can't wait to see it!!!
8 hours ago
TrevorDMoretz
saw a smidge of winona ryder in @ChloeGMoretz today, so proud
6 hours ago
TrevorDMoretz
@tallmanjon everyone will be thrilled
6 hours ago
TrevorDMoretz
@WLechnerMUC thank u
6 hours ago
TrevorDMoretz
@DoreoC we've all had to do homework, even chlo does it
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Burtonie
@TrevorDMoretz Hello! Could you please tell me, is Helena BC REALLY in DS? I mean, REALLY, not OFFICIALLY. Hope for true answer. Bless you.
4 hours ago
What's wild about the tweets from Trevor and Chloe herself is that one would get the impression from them that she's the only one who's been shooting anything. But somehow I doubt that's true. And it would be interesting if one of them mentioned who she's working with. But then, with Burton's confidentiality agreement hanging over their heads, perhaps they can't (and it will be interesting to see if he even answers the question about HBC). [ghost_undecided]
If only at least one of the other actors would tweet something, we might have a clue - but either they're suddenly completely silent (like Bella Heathcote) or they don't have Twitter accounts...
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I love all the DS movie updates - thanks MB and others who've contributed. :)
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Three things:
Not that it matters to us because we already know that she is in the film, but Trevor Moretz has not answered that person who asked him if HBC is officially in the Depp/DS film. But then...
I thought there might be more people upset that the Depp/DS film will not be shot in 3D. But if reading the various articles that are reporting it and the various comments that are being posted to them are any indication, it would seem that no one is upset (or if they are, they're being silent - and that's almost unheard of on the Internet because more people use the Internet to complain than they ever do to praise). In fact, people are actually saying that they're happy it won't be in 3D.
And finally for now, I see where the Depp/DS film has jumped up to #397 on this week's MOVIEmeter on IMDb. The jump is being attributed to yet more reports that the film has begun shooting.
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I'm also very happy that it won't be in 3D!!! [ghost_grin]. Love the 2 pictures of the church and all the grave stones. Isn't that wooden gate great! I can practically hear it creaking [ghost_wink].
Will there be a Mrs Johnson or Matthew type household staff person for the Collinwood mansion? I haven't seen any one listed in IMDB. I suppose Willie Loomis can pass as household staff, eh? Is it customary to film the characters other than the main ones at a much later time? Will there be a Blue Whale scene with Dr Hoffman engaging the bartender with her tale of woe?
I finally figured out how to get Google alerts for DS..how easy can it be! I'm looking for any updates on Elfman(?) DS music or will that start leaking out at the end. Maybe he hasn't even started writing it yet.
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I'm also very happy that it won't be in 3D!!! [ghost_grin]. Love the 2 pictures of the church and all the grave stones. Isn't that wooden gate great! I can practically hear it creaking [ghost_wink].
What pictures of church and grave stones ??? please repost
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LdyAnne, I think Miss Winthrop was referring to a couple of the other photos in the flicker photostream that I had posted a link to one page up:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5776502499/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5776502499/in/photostream/)
I'm not sure if that church and gravestones are related to DS, however. They might be, but it's just labeled as "Selborne Church". The others are clearly labeled as the DS set.
Miss Winthrop, I think there will be more additions to the cast as time goes on. For past Depp films that I have followed, sometimes more actors/characters are added as the filming goes on (they may have been cast already but they just weren't announced right away), and sometimes a whole lot more are added just before the films comes out. So don't be surprised if we gradually hear more and more detail. I kinda look like a blond/grey version of Mrs. Johnson and I did play a maid in a high school play, so I'd volunteer for the part! [ghost_wink]
As for 3D, everywhere I look lately- Depp sites, Pirates sites, film buff sites- there is a backlash against 3D. People don't want to pay extra, and a lot of folks hate wearing the glasses. Personally, I was wowed by the 3D in Avatar, but the other 2 or 3 films I've seen in 3D, I could've done without it. I wouldn't mind a film here or there using it- big epic spectacles or animated films, but most films don't need it. DS really doesn't need it, and I am glad they won't use it.
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Okay, here ya go, MB, from Twitter:
TrevorDMoretz trevor duke moretz
so today its just @ChloeGMoretz and #johnnydepp being directed in a scene by #timburton mini life goal checked off the list
2 hours ago
So... at least we know that they will be in at least one scene alone together, for whatever that's worth [ghost_smiley]
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Another video from Clevver-nothing new though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwQByA8K8FU
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Finally, madscntst. At least now we know someone can mention who the actors are working with. (Maybe, as a brother and not an actor in the film, it's a loophole for Trevor [ghost_wink] Though as long as they don't say too much, I would honestly suspect that anyone can.) And it's also the first we hear that Depp is shooting. (And we know what that means: there's potential for a set photo to surface IF Burton will allow it. [ghost_happy]) Thanks for posting the tweet. [ghost_smiley]
And sure, jimbo, there's nothing new there, but it's always good to see the Depp/DS film pop up on ClevverMovies. [ghost_wink]
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Well, I see that Bella Heathcote resurfaced today on Twitter. It was only to thank someone who wished her a happy birthday on May 26th. But still, it's the first she's tweeted since May 7th. She's broken her silence. So maybe we might eventually get something interesting from her regarding the Depp/DS film...
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It appears as if Thomas McDonell has lined up another movie that will shoot before he's needed for the Depp/DS film: Johnny Knoxville, Unique Blend of Cast Join 'Fun Size' Comedy (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/24792). But then, even a small role in a big movie does not a career make, so McDonell was bound to try to find other work rather than sit around waiting to shoot his bit for the Depp/DS film. [ghost_wink]
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Just saw a photo of Johnny on one of the foreign fan sites- he was at Tim's event in LA last weekend after all. The pic was from a facebook page but I am firewalled from there here at work, but at any rate he is clean-shaven. That answers that question! [ghost_smiley] I still think he's been filming before this- just no proof.
It'd be great if pix of Johnny, Chloe and the others in costume would surface. We've been very spoiled with many of Johnny's recent films- Public Enemies, The Rum Diary, The Tourist and even Pirates 4 were all done mostly or partly on location and we got gobs of photos during filming- sometimes as early as the first day! Of course, Tim is much more private but we usually start seeing at least a few pix while filming is still going on; I'm prepared to have to wait at least another month or more, though.
Cathy
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Like you, I wouldn't be surprised if Depp has been filming for a while. And I also wouldn't be surprised if we don't get any type of photos until they start to shoot outside the studio. Though in all likelihood those would be paparazzi photos. It would be nice to think they might release an official photo (or even better, photos) before then - but with Burton, I won't be holding my breath. Like you say, it could be quite a while yet before we get something like that. I suppose we just have to learn to be patient. [ghost_wink]
And speaking of photos, here's a collage as only Perez Hilton would caption it. [ghost_rolleyes]
Johnny Depp And Co. Begin Shooting Tim Burton's Dark Shadows! (http://perezhilton.com/2011-05-31-johnny-depp-and-company-begin-shooting-tim-burton-film-dark-shadows)
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‘Dark Shadows’ set being construction in Surrey, England (http://www.onlocationvacations.com/2011/06/01/dark-shadows-set-being-construction-in-surrey-england/)
August 12th, eh? Well, that would jibe with what we've been lead to believe...
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There isn't anything special about DS (or barely at all) in this article, but it does give some great insight into Tim Burton, so I thought it was worth sharing:
Tim Burton is happy to share his nightmares (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2015202826_webburton02.html)
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I just noticed that Depp is #1 on IMDB's STARmeter this week. But then, considering he's had the #1 movie in the world for the past 2 weeks, I suppose that's not too much of a surprise. [ghost_wink]
Also jumping up this week (based on DS publicity except where noted):
Helena Bonham Carter - from #131 to #29 (based mostly on Harry Potter publicity).
Chloe Moretz - from #97 to #95.
Michelle Pfeiffer - from #523 to #459.
Johnny Lee Miller - from #1338 to #1309.
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Chloe Moretz recently tweeted:
ChloeGMoretz
Hey everyone :( I'm so sad to say I won't be able to go to the MTV Movie Awards but believe me all the appreciation from my fans---
4 hours ago
ChloeGMoretz
--- is veryy much so acknowledged but yes I wish I could've gone but I'm busy out here filming Dark Shadows so I guess it's not the worst---
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ChloeGMoretz
---problem to have, but again thank you all So much for voting <3 you're the best ever xoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxxo and thank you @MTV
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Indeed it's not the worst problem to have - and it will be very interesting to see if she wins in any the categories in which she's nominated.
And speaking of Chloe, I wonder if she said anything about DS as part of her participation in the online relaunch of Cliche Magazine yesterday. She probably didn't because I haven't seen anything online. And I honestly have no idea what the event was like because I didn't bother to check it out. But there's always a possibility...
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And speaking of Chloe, I wonder if she said anything about DS as part of her participation in the online relaunch of Cliche Magazine yesterday. She probably didn't because I haven't seen anything online. And I honestly have no idea what the event was like because I didn't bother to check it out. But there's always a possibility...
Apparently there was really no possibility because all she did was introduce singer Nick Franger. Video can be seen right here:
Chloe Moretz Presents Nick Franger for Cliché Magazine, posted by Cliché on Jun 2, 2011 (http://www.clichemag.com/?post_type=external-videos&p=1741)
I wonder if the intro was done PreWWJD or PostWWJD? [ghost_wink]
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I've had several requests from people who can't access Variety's Web site to post the text of the Technicolor article from the other day, so here it is:
Technology News
Posted: Tue., May. 31, 2011, 4:00am PT
Technicolor taps Potter, 'Rings' vet
Lab and post giant hires Peter Doyle
By David S. Cohen
In a move Technicolor says signals a strategic shift in the way it handles color grading and dailies, the lab and post giant has hired digital intermediate colorist Peter Doyle.
Doyle's credits include the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy, the final six Harry Potter pics, and several films for Tim Burton. He is already at work on his first show for Technicolor: Burton's "Dark Shadows," shooting at Pinewood Studios in Blighty.
Technicolor Creative Services prexy Claude Gagnon told Variety, "We're going to be more and more involved upstream in the process of doing color correction, meaning during dailies." Doyle likes to be involved in color grading from dailies onward. Technicolor will encourage all its colorists to get involved that early, and Doyle will help oversee that transition.
Doyle explained, "What I like to do is work with the director and d.p. and basically design looks. That can have an enormous influence on the way a d.p. goes about shooting a film down to some technical issues, like how do they actually expose the neg, lighting ratios and so forth. Building that look as part of the production process, where you're working with the d.p. and the conceptual drawings and the costume design and the production design, adds, I think, an enormous amount."
After reading this article I'm really curious to see how the look of the Depp/DS film will turn out...
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There was just a discussion on one of my Depp forums concerning the use of color in DS. It started when someone said they wished the film would be in black and white, like Ed Wood. Someone mentioned that it seems like most of Tim Burton's films fall into one of two categories: either very desaturated and muted colors (Sleepy Hollow), or very emphasized, almost over-bright colors (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory). They wondered which DS would be and thought, probably the muted colors (and dark shadows, lol!). But maybe with a generous use of bright red blood, as was done for Sweeney Todd. But then I was thinking of all of those groovy mod clothing styles that Angelique and Dr. Hoffman and the others could wear and said that I hope there will be at least some fun use of color! So it'll be interesting to see how the film ends up looking. Thanks for the interesting article, MB!
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Ohhhh...what an interesting thought! [ghost_smiley] Especially since really strong, bright colors make the unsaturated bits all the more noticeable!
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Madscntst, I was just thinking about this, and I am not entirely sure which way it should go... Bright colors makes sense for the time period, but the muted colors make sense for the theme. Perhaps we will actually see a nice balance between the two... It would be interesting. Would this give us something akin to a normal looking film? [ghost_tongue2]
Considering the time period, I am really leaning towards bright colors. But, maybe scenes on the estate will be muted. Or it could be that the scenery is very muted while the characters are very bright and vivid.
Someone once described DARK SHADOWS to me calling it a 'bad dream'. This is not something I really agree with, but I can sort of see where this person was coming from. And it might be how Burton is approaching it. So, think of what a bad dream would look like translated to the screen.
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Considering the time period, I am really leaning towards bright colors. But, maybe scenes on the estate will be muted. Or it could be that the scenery is very muted while the characters are very bright and vivid.
Yes! Or maybe the "normal" scenes, with the everyday family goings-on, especially during the day, could be very bright and vivid, whereas after sundown, out comes Barnabas and everything suddenly gets very shadowy and gloomy. Or is that too cliche? [ghost_wink]
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Here is a boat being used as a prop for DS- maybe the Collins fishing industry has seen better days [ghost_wink] (Or is this the as-yet uncast Joe Haskell's boat, perhaps??)
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/9062556.Mersea___s_famous_boat_sold_to_Pinewood_Studios/ (http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/9062556.Mersea___s_famous_boat_sold_to_Pinewood_Studios/)
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rats, I didn't read that far back to see that it was already posted.. [ghost_sad]
No problem, Sara - I just removed it. And it's always better to see news posted again rather than not at all. [ghost_smiley]
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Here is a boat being used as a prop for DS- maybe the Collins fishing industry has seen better days [ghost_wink] (Or is this the as-yet uncast Joe Haskell's boat, perhaps??)
It's definitely going to be interesting to see how it fits into things. And hopefully there isn't going to be much of an uproar from those who felt the boat should have stayed where it was. But maybe the production will give it back when they're done...
Thanks for posting the link, madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
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I've been checking every day since it started shooting, and Pinewood has finally put up a page about DS on their Web site:
Dark Shadows (http://www.pinewoodgroup.com/2011/06/dark-shadows/)
Unfortunately, it doesn't say anything we don't already know. And more unfortunately, they've used a photo from the daytime series instead of the current production. But it's a start - and both are likely to change eventually because I've noticed that the sections for the other films in production at Pinewood have been evolving over time...
Now if only GK Films would put something up about DS on their Web site...
Also, an article on Warner Bros. Web site about them gearing up for Comic Con 2011 has me thinking: is it too early to wonder if there might be any sort of presentation about the Depp/DS film? Although, they'll still be shooting when Comic Con takes place July 21-24...
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This is interesting: here's a Web site (http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/will-you-see-dark-shadows-even-if-its-not-in-3d/question-1853277/) that has a poll as to whether or not you'll see the Depp/DS film even though it's not going to be in 3D. Results so far: Yes - 80%, No - 20% (Though in the comments section it seems like JCLadybug voted "No" when she should have voted "Yes". [ghost_huh])
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I did see the article about the boat being purchased by Pinewood Studios. Since its a fishing boat, I'm hoping that we will have a scene with Roger at the Cannery, no? [ghost_shocked] I don't think any scenes at the Cannery were shot after Barnabas showed up. But the idea of a fishing vessel (even if it is stuck in the sand) is very interesting!
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That boat is very cool. This really is one very inventive production team!
G.
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hmmm...
the boat is something of a curiosity. i'm not sure how a 1940's fishing vessel will fit into things unless it's just a backdrop or contributing to the general "atmosphere" of collinsport.
with a fourteen year old carolyn and(at least as of yet)no maggie i'm not sure how joe haskell would be worked into the plot in a major way. i also doubt much of the action will be focused on the cannery. interesting.
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b.t.w. perez hilton...who calls the original series "it's own level of bizarre" has posted the recent tim burton interview on the board today.
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I was sort of just joking about Joe Haskell (though you never know!) Love Perez!
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More about Camelot (which is apparently just starting in England) and other things than it is about the Depp/DS film - but all of it is interesting - particularly when she discusses playing evil:
Eva Green interview: Playing evil (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jun/05/eva-green-interview-playing-evil)
But one of the things we do learn with regard to the Depp/DS film is that the dialect coach I mentioned being added to the list of behind the scenes personnel and suspected may be helping the actors with a Maine accent may not be because the interview reveals that Green is working with a dialect coach to perfect an American accent. Though, of course, the dialect coach could be doing both. [ghost_wink]
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2011 MTV Movie Awards -
Best Breakout Star: Chloe Grace Moretz (http://www.zap2it.com/news/pictures/zap-2011-mtv-movie-awards-nominees-and-winners-pictures,0,7087269.photogallery?index=11)
Biggest Badass Star: Chloe Grace Moretz (http://www.zap2it.com/news/pictures/zap-2011-mtv-movie-awards-nominees-and-winners-pictures,0,7087269.photogallery?index=12)
(Beating out Joseph Gordon-Levitt.)
She won two out of her three categories. Not bad. [ghost_wink]
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Chloe Moretz to Fans: Thank You for Voting! (http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/06/06/chloe-moretz-mtv-movie-awards-acceptance-speech/)
In the video she says she'd just gotten to set and wanted to make the video to thank her fans. One presumes the video wasn't actually shot on one of the DS sets but in some other area of Pinewood. But who knows...
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I was surprised to notice today that, despite the several dozen articles posted about the Depp/DS film last week, it actually fell down to #522 (from #397) on IMDb's MOVIEmeter. [ghost_huh] But I guess the fact that the film won't be shot in 3D wasn't a subject to get people to look up the film on IMDb.
Changing reels, I've noticed that there's been a lot of speculation in other DS venues about how much time the Depp/DS film will/should spend in the past. Some are even saying that they think at least half of the film should be spent in the past fleshing out Barnabas, Angelique and Josette's (presuming Josette or a Josette-type character will indeed be seen in the flesh) relationship before the action even shifts to the present.
Going by WB's press release, it would appear that the plot will unfold in a linear fashion, meaning starting with 1752, jumping directly to 1772, and then jumping directly to 1972. Though that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Events in the past could easily be told as flashbacks as needed within the present day plot - and that's actually a device that Burton has used in his past films, including Sleepy Hollow and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. But even if the plot is told in a completely linear fashion, I'm not so sure that a full half of the film should be devoted to the past or if that would be something Burton & Co. are even seriously considering. To me it seems more likely that the past events will be dealt with quickly but adequately enough to establish the backstory before the film's main story unfolds in the present of 1972. The vast majority of the known characters live in 1972, so I can't see them not being the main focus of the film.
What do others think? Would you like to see the story told in a completely linear fashion? Starting in the present but then featuring flashbacks to the past as needed? Or perhaps even through some combination of both where the barebones of the past are dealt with first and then fleshed out as needed through flashbacks once the plot shifts to the present? And how much of the film's time should be devoted to dealing with the past?
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Tons more "Collinwood" set photos have been posted on a Chloe Moretz' Web site!!
(At first I thought it was Chloe Moretz' own Web site - but her url is slightly different - plus they have bits of Collinwood's backstory wrong. [ghost_undecided] Apparently they haven't read the WB Press Release.)
'Collinwood' - Johnny Depp's Dark Shadows set Under Construction (http://www.chloegmoretz.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1220:dark-shadows-collinwood-set-starts-to-take-shape)
I have to say I'm loving what I'm seeing! [thumb]
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Gosh. It looks as if they're making a copy of the Collinwood facade out in the middle of the woods.
It seems strange that they would bother to spend the money to do this in this age of CGI. Interesting.
Thanks for the link, MB.
G.
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Oh wow, love all these new pix! It's starting to really look like something. Love the fencing/railing touches. Gothik, even though Tim uses CGI, he really doesn't like it, and much prefers for there to be something "real" for the actors to look at and be in while they're acting. That's why it was so weird that Alice In Wonderland was nearly all CGI, though of course much of it had to be [ghost_wink]
MB, I'm not a screenplay writer and could never imagine how difficult it must be to incorporate all the story elements and still have it flow nicely for a ~2 hr. film. That said, I'm hoping that the majority of the film will take place in the present. The back story is necessary and I hope they don't just gloss over it, but I fear that too much time in the past could bog down the story. They need to explain the past, but the story has to move forward in the present, IMHO. I think that I would also prefer for the past to be shown in a series of flashbacks, revealing more and more of what happened in the past as it goes along. But a linear timeline could be great too, as long as it's not told too dryly. Agh, if only we knew! But have less than a year before we know!
Cathy
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Thanks for the link MB--you are living up to at least half of your name! ;) I'm glad it's not going to be all CGI.
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I am thoroughly interested in seeing what that facade is going to look like. It's really hard to tell with that new "porch" element. Without that, it really resembled the Carey Mansion, except with the main entrance at the base of the tower. It still very much resembles it and there are striking similarities in window size and placement, as well as the length of the wings. I guess we will have to see what the CGI top of the house will look like before we can make any more judgments, and that probably won't happen until after the film is shot. The paint scheme will give us some insight, though. I am anxious to see new developments in this beautiful looking "mansion".
As for the sceenplay, I'd imagine that the backstory, or at least the first part of it, will take place before the full opening credits. [spoiler]The Collinses will be leaving England on their ship and once they arrive in America[/spoiler], we will most likely see the very familiar shot of the waves below the cliffs of Widows Hill. After said shot, we will probably be introduced to Collinwood under the reign of [spoiler]Barnabas Collins[/spoiler], leading up to the curse and entombment. All in all, I imagine it will be VERY short in comparison to the present day story. You may see flashbacks to the present throughout, as was suggested before, but the initial trip to the past shouldn't extend much beyond 10 minutes, imo. Our main characters would appear to be Barnabas and Angelique, and that is who most of the attention in the past will be devoted to (at the beginning). Josette will probably play a part in the initial backstory, but, we will probably hear most of her tale fleshed out when Barnabas meets Victoria.
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It seems strange that they would bother to spend the money to do this in this age of CGI. Interesting.
This set construction seems geared specifically to the age of CGI. Notice the blue band at the top of the facade. That would indicate that everything above the first floor will be CGI. I'm sure that Collinwood won't be "Gothic Ranch" style! [ghost_cheesy] To create the entire facade in CGI would require that the actors perform all of the scenes involving the Collinwood exterior on a bluescreen (or greenscreen) stage; that creates more challenges for the actors, and would end up not looking as realistic as actually filming on a physical set. Doing it this way, they're really getting the most bang for the buck.
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Wonderful photos. Thanks for the link MB!
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i think speculation that half or more of the film will be set in the past is just wishful thinking on the part of 1795 devotees...
given the plot outline and casting information we've received it appears that the story will largely be set in 1972 after the initial setup. there's been no word on casting for joshua and naomi leading me to believe that they will be minor parts and not portrayed by any of the "present time" actors. we also haven't heard anything about significant 1795(or, for these purposes, 1792)players like jeremiah and ben stokes. all of the major casting information has been about the 1972 characters.
my feeling is that the piece will be primarily set in 1972.
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^^^ all good points mscbryk, I agree with what you say (other than Thomas McDonnell's casting- he's in the scenes from the past but he's the only major cast member we know about so far who is. Bear in mind, though, that McDonnell says these scenes will be filmed last, so it's possible we'll hear more casting info between now and then).
On another note, here are some more set pix, apparently taken earlier today:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26286848@N02/5808760898/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26286848@N02/5808760898/in/photostream/)
Edit- or to view as a slideshow, http://www.flickr.com/photos/26286848@N02/sets/72157626907839600/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26286848@N02/sets/72157626907839600/show/)
(click the slide show to see additional pix)
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The more details they add and the more staging they take away, the more there is to love! [thumb] Thanks so much for the link, madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
Yesterday I was wondering why there was only framing above the left wing. But now that they've added framing to other areas of the set, I'm thinking the framing above the blue is there so that they can extend the blue for the CGI completion of Collinwood.
Yesterday I was also thinking that because of those triangles above the entranceway, perhaps it was going to have a vaulted ceiling. But it doesn't seem that way now, particularly because they've added those diamond shapes, They have me really intrigued to see what they have planned for that roof!
One thing that does seem odd, though, is that it appears as if the main entrance is the only door in what we can see of the house. [ghost_huh]
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I see now that Jonny Lee Miller has joined HBC as being listed as "rumored" on IMDb. Um, both were listed in the WB Press Release. It doesn't get any more official than that. Why the hell is even one of them being listed as rumored, much less both? [ghost_rolleyes] Whoever handles the IMDb page for DS is strangely out of touch - especially when one considers that the plot synopsis that was also a part of the WB Press Release has also been added on IMDb. [ghost_huh]
But on a much more interesting front, I just saw where Krysia Whitty, who is working on the Depp/DS film as a props buyer/researcher, tweeted this today:
kr_shhh
Massive respect for editors and sound mixers after seeing rushes yesterday. Post prod so amazeballs!
7 hours ago
If only we had the vaguest idea of what sorts of scenes she's complimenting...
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But on a much more interesting front, I just saw where Krysia Whitty, who is working on the Depp/DS film as a props buyer/researcher, tweeted this today:
kr_shhh
Massive respect for editors and sound mixers after seeing rushes yesterday. Post prod so amazeballs!
7 hours ago
If only we had the vaguest idea of what sorts of scenes she's complimenting...
Because it's talking about rushes--which generally come before editors and sound mixers get their hands on the footage, I'm not sure that Krysia was necessarily complimenting a scene. Instead of referring to post production work being done on Dark Shadows specifically, "so amazeballs" might be describing in general how Krysia feels that post prod deals with raw footage. In other words, maybe the tweeter was trying to say something along the lines of "Gee, I didn't realize how crappy stuff can look when it isn't edited and the sound isn't fixed. If this is what rushes typically look like, post prod must be able to work magic!"
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Of course what you're saying is true, KMR. And my phrasing definitely didn't convey what I was thinking in my mind because what I was thinking was that she was complimenting them for what they were going to do with the scenes - but I see that what I wrote definitely came across as her complimenting them for what they had done with the scenes, which would have obviously been nothing at that point. And I'm sorry for the confusion. However, the fact that they hadn't done anything yet makes it all the more intriguing as to what sorts of scenes she was talking about. [ghost_wink] And that's what I wish we had the vaguest idea of.
Hopefully that's clearer. [ghost_smiley]
(And while we're on the point of being clear, am I the only one who sometimes wishes the people who use Twitter would actually speak in English (well, those who tweet in English, that is [ghost_wink]) more than they do? I most certainly don't mind anyone using things like "u" for "you" or "ur" for "you are" or "4" for "for" or something like an "8" to abbreviate a sound - all of that is easily decipherable. But when they start making up their own words - especially words whose meanings seem to evolve with each successive tweet they use them in... [ghost_blink])
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I know exactly what you mean, MB! In fact, I looked up "amazeballs" and saw that it's a term that apparently Perez Hilton is trying to get into common usage.
Oh, how I wish I could see some of those rushes! I'm still really, really nervous about this whole project, hoping against hope that they will get the tone just right. They have a top-notch cast and crew, and it's clear they're putting a lot of money and energy into this production--I just hope that Johnny's love for the show is pretty much the same kind of love that we here on this board have for it.
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I looked up "amazeballs" and saw that it's a term that apparently Perez Hilton is trying to get into common usage.
Great - just what we need. [ghost_rolleyes]
Oh, how I wish I could see some of those rushes!
Indeed! [ghost_wink]
And speaking of what's happening at the studio, apparently Seth Grahame-Smith is(was) there today (though it's a bit odd that his partner was the one that tweeted about it and not Grahame-Smith himself):
DavidKatzenberg
Back to Pinewood with @sethgs & @KatzSmithProds! #DarkShadows
7 hours ago
(They may have also been there yesterday. There was a tweet about going back to set with Grahame-Smith and a different tweet that simply mentioned Pinewood. And they may have also been there on the 6th because there were separate tweets about having to get up early and being on the way to "witness the incredible." But none of them refer to DS directly.
Also, apparently they've been in London since the 5th. Though they seem to have initially come for the Kung Fu Panda 2 premiere that night.)
Presumably Chloe Moretz was also at the studio today because she was complaining about getting up at 5am.
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One more picture of the Collinwood set: Dark Shadows Film Set (http://twitpic.com/58suqe)
Pretty much the same progress as yesterday. Not much new.
(Well, unless you call some photos of the Robin Hood set, which is also in Bourne Woods, new. Which they are. Just not exactly the type of new I suspect most of us would be looking for. [ghost_cheesy])
But anyway, all photos are appreciated. [ghost_smiley] And here are the photographer's series of tweets, responses, and replies regarding the Collinwood set:
sjp_me
Is going #johnny #depp spotting in #bournewoods
7 hours ago
sjp_me
Is at #darkshadows set in #bournewoods hoping for #johnny depp to arrive!
5 hours ago
sjp_me
have been to #bournewoods to the #darkshadows film set, no sign of #Johnny depp or of any filming activity yet http://twitpic.com/58suqe
3 hours ago
sjp_me
@f1_lou @Saye_Photo the set in the #Bourne woods is huge you cant miss it, no sign of filming yet though!
3 hours ago
f1_lou lou
@sjp_me we're very excited! do let us know if you see any sign of filming :) wish i hadnt left farnham already, but i'll come back for JD :)
3 hours ago
sjp_me
@f1_lou will keep updating on here the sets not finished yet and there were no signs of much life yet!
3 hours ago
f1_lou
@sjp_me hehehe look forward to it!! ohh it's too much excitement for lil' old Farnham :)
3 hours ago
jamescnicholls
Looks like the robin hood one again to men ;) RT @sjp_me: have been to #bournewoods to the #darkshadows film (cont) http://tl.gd/b02fj5
3 hours ago
sjp_me
@jamescnicholls its in the same spot just facing a different way
2 hours ago
jamescnicholls
@sjp_me they should have leased the old one. One evil owner, minor battle damage.
2 hours ago
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^^^ Seems a little optimistic to think the filming would start already on those sets when they're in that condition [ghost_grin] (That said, they are coming along quickly!)
Anyway, Happy 48th Birthday to Mr. Johnny Depp! I'm sure the poor guy will be filming as usual- he usually seems to have to work on his birthday [ghost_sad]
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Seems a little optimistic to think the filming would start already on those sets when they're in that condition [ghost_grin]
No kidding! But I suspect that they probably hadn't seen any of the photos of the set - they'd simply heard that there was one in Bourne Woods and they were hoping the film was already shooting there.
That said, they are coming along quickly!
Yes, I can't wait to see what the set will look like once it's been completely built and dressed. And I really can't wait to see what Collinwood as a whole will look like. But as Cousin_Barnabas says, we might not get to see that until we see the film. Though I still have hopes it might be before then...
Changing reels, apparently Katzenberg and Grahame-Smith were(are) at the studio again today - and Grahame-Smith actually tweeted as much himself. Should we be honored? [ghost_wink]
sethgs
Back to @PinewoodStudios for more #DarkShadows.
7 hours ago
DavidKatzenberg
Last day visiting @PinewoodStudios. Take away latte time! #DarkShadows
7 hours ago
PinewoodStudios
@sethgs @DavidKatzenberg Hope everything is going well on #DarkShadows. Great to have you at the studios.
7 hours ago
Too bad Katzenberg, who seems to be obsessed with posting Instagram photos, hasn't posted any photos of their trips to the studio. [ghost_sad]
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I'm really glad to see they're going to the trouble of actually building the house facade. And, based on the pics, it looks like it might be close in appearance to the Seaview/Carey Mansion! Hope so!
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FWIW, Thomas McDonell, who I "like" on Facebook, has posted the following:
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Thomas McDonell
On set of 'Dark Shadows'. I love my job!
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I'm not 100% he's verified to be himself, but if so it's interesting because I didn't think he was going to film until near the end. Unless he's just visiting or having costume fittings or something, which is possible.
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Here's a brief interview with Helena Bonham Carter, with a brief bit about DS at the end:
Helena Bonham Carter Talks "Toast," Perfumes, and Hypnotizing Johnny Depp (http://www.ifc.com/news/2011/06/helena-bonham-carter-toast-int.php)
"I get to hypnotize Johnny [Depp] and do all sorts of things to him." LOL, I wonder if she'll use that groovy pendant we all know! No comment on the "all sorts of things" remark, other than that I am enjoying imagining what they might be [ghost_wink]
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Unless he's just visiting or having costume fittings or something, which is possible.
Very possible.
"I get to hypnotize Johnny [Depp] and do all sorts of things to him." LOL, I wonder if she'll use that groovy pendant we all know!
We can only hope. [ghost_wink] Interesting, though, because I don't think Julia ever hypnotized Barnabas in any other version of DS. She hypnotized plenty of other characters - but not Barn...
No comment on the "all sorts of things" remark, other than that I am enjoying imagining what they might be [ghost_wink]
Indeed! [naughty]
Thanks for sharing the info, madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
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I don't think there will be much more info about filming DS for awhile. Unless someone is actually camped out at the site in the woods, how will we actually know when one or more of the actors arrives at the set? I haven't seen any workers actually working on the mansion. Pictures will have to be taken by long-range cameras, eh? The cars will be brought in first I presume. Will Roger be driving a Shelby? The pics of the outside of the mansion make it appear to be in good shape and not falling down from what I can tell. But, it's probably to early to tell. However, it was built to last afterall. Appearances needed to be maintained in front of the good people of Collinsport. Since no news was forthcoming I decided to read back to the beginning of this topic. I revisted the pics of Collinwood, the cemetary and the boat and quite interesting speculation and quotes. It seems incredible that it's already been a month since we first heard of the official release date! There is an area of England that comes to mind as being kind of raw and windswept but also quite beautiful. It's NW of London in the Yorkshire Dales(?) area.
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Once filming starts at the Collinwood set, word will definitely get out, and I would be shocked if the paparazzi doesn't descend en masse. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they climb trees and equip their cameras with the latest in telephoto lenses to get the best shots possible. [ghost_wink]
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I was away from my computer for most of the day today and I missed this tweet from Seth Grahame-Smith:
sethgs
Amazing week on the set of #DarkShadows. So excited to see it coming together brilliantly at @PinewoodStudios. Back to LA we go.
14 hours ago
Sounds like we're missing out on a lot of exciting stuff. But one day we'll hear about it...
David Katzenberg also tweeted this:
DavidKatzenberg
Travel day. It's been fun London. Missing #DarkShadows already.
16 hours ago
And I wondered if Chloe Moretz was having to do school work while working on the film. I guess this answers my question:
ChloeGMoretz
p.s. just finished school for the whole year :) not sucha bad day after all...
13 hours ago
(The part about it being a bad day refers to her Facebook page being shut down. I suppose Facebook thought it was being run by an imposter...)
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Gee, I wonder if instead of wearing a powdered wig as Barnabas in 1772, Depp will actually wear this wig:
kr_shhh
We dress up in our props.... http://yfrog.com/kh6jjj
12 hours ago
[ghost_cheesy]
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Two small pieces: one about Thomas McDonell (http://entertainment.inquirer.net/3034/new-leads-topbill-fave-flicks), and one about Bella Heathcote (http://upandcomers.net/2011/06/10/one-to-watch-aussie-newcomer-ryan-corr-wins-coveted-heath-ledger-scholarship/).
And BTW, should we be upset that photos are already showing up of Burton's Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter? Though Burton isn't directing that - only producing. But still...
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I know they were always going to the decanter for brandy or whatnot but Julia an alcoholic...how would she have had time?
Excerpt from article. [edited by admin]
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I get to hypnotize Johnny [Depp] and do all sorts of things to him.
That sounds...INTERESTING. [scratch2]
Thanks for the article!
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ChloeGMoretz
Soo excited for my covershoot today!! :) Gonna be a good day, @TrevorDMoretz #MommyMoretz
3 hours ago
Hmmm - I wonder for what sort of magazine and if there will be an accompanying interview that might get into a discussion about the Depp/DS film? I suppose only time will tell...
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I know it's off by 7 years, but I thought Super 8 did a good job of setting a movie in the 1970's in a way that was fun (and had funny moments) while not losing sight of the main purpose of the movie.
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USF I'd agree with that... It'll be interesting to see how much music of the day they use for DS. Super 8 did a good job with its ELO and Blondie sprinkled in and the introduction of such new technology as 'The Walkman'. I'm now remembering JD in 'Blow' whenever he's going through the airport with the 'Black Betty' song blasting. That was great. We'll just have to wait and see what Timbo will have in store for us... Tom Petty said it best, "The waiting is the hardest part."
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Apparently Chloe Moretz is shooting again today because a few hours ago she tweeted about listening to Katy Perry's Last Friday Night while on DS. (And if you've never seen Katy Perry's video for the song, you should definitely check it out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyXNRrsk4A) and try to spot all the celebrities before they tell you who they are at the end.)
I could be reading things wrong, but this *may* actually be Chloe Moretz last week of shooting. And the reason I say that is because her brother has tweeted some people that he'll be back in LA at the beginning of next week. That's not to say that Chloe couldn't still be in London because her mom is also there with her - but seemingly more often than not it appears to be a case that the city where her brother is, she is because he's a sort of adviser/mentor for her career. So it will be interesting to see. And if it does turn out to be true that she'll be wrapping her part on DS this week, that really won't be too much of a surprise because she will have been shooting for four weeks...
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Hmmm... Brad Pitt affair rumors shock Bella Heathcote (http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrity/news/a324527/brad-pitt-affair-rumors-shock-bella-heathcote.html). But then, so what else is new when people have nothing better to do than make up stories...
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Potential good news: Johnny Depp seems to have an article in the Hollywood Reporter that appears to be about him portraying Barnabas.
Bad news: for some odd reason access is denied when I try to open the page - and I've never gotten that before.
Has anyone else gotten this Google alert:
"Whose Johnny? Depp Tries a (small) reinvention
Hollywood Reporter
Johnny Depp has done playful, mischievous, childlike, soulful, creepy and pretty much any other mode you can imagine. The one thing he hasn't done is menacing -- true, bloodthirsty, win-at-all-costs menacing. His potentially nastier turns have been ..."
And can you access it?
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^^^ I don't know if I saw that one, MB, but this morning I got about 4 different news alerts that were all from the Hollywood Reporter, and even though they had today's date, they were news items that were not current. I don't even remember what they were all about, but they were all short blurbs. Nothing seemed like news so I just disregarded. If you sign up for news alerts, sometimes this happens- old news gets coughed up again- but usually the articles still have an old date on them and I remember thinking this morning that it was peculiar that they all had today's date on 'em. Oh well.
Interesting that Chloe may be wrapping her filming this week, or else maybe it's possible that she'll have a break and then come back later.
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Okay, I found the alerts in my trash folder, and sure enough, I was denied when I tried to click on the article this time. Maybe it's because someone caught that it wasn't current. Trying to remember- I don't know what film they were talking about- maybe it *was* DS and Barnabas, but I think they were saying he's rarely a villain and I seem to remember them mentioning Blow as a rare example of a "bad guy" (but still someone sympathetic, IMHO. And he's done several more of these- Once Upon A Time In Mexico, Sweeney Todd, and even The Libertine come to mind). At least two of the other news alerts were about Johnny possibly taking over Heath Ledger's role in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.
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this morning I got about 4 different news alerts that were all from the Hollywood Reporter, and even though they had today's date, they were news items that were not current.
I just checked the e-mail again, and it probably is the one you're talking about because, which I didn't even notice before, all the links in it are to the Hollywood Reporter - and at least two of them (which I hadn't even checked out yet) are definitely to old news: Depp potentially taking over for Heath Ledger on The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, and an article that asked filmgoers to rank the stars they're most looking forward to seeing on the big screen in 2007. 2007?!
Oh well - so probably the first article is old as well. Too bad, because it sounded like it had so much potential...
If you sign up for news alerts, sometimes this happens- old news gets coughed up again- but usually the articles still have an old date on them and I remember thinking this morning that it was peculiar that they all had today's date on 'em.
Very peculiar. [ghost_huh] I don't think this has ever happened to me before. Though if it did, I suppose it would have had to have been to something that I never bothered to check out or else I would have noticed.
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Also, an article on Warner Bros. Web site about them gearing up for Comic Con 2011 has me thinking: is it too early to wonder if there might be any sort of presentation about the Depp/DS film? Although, they'll still be shooting when Comic Con takes place July 21-24...
Well, apparently not: Some Studios Skipping Comic Con (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/20852/some-studios-skipping-comic-con)
Some excerpts:
'Now, an interesting article in The New York Times reports that Warner Bros. Pictures, Disney Pictures, Marvel Studios, DreamWorks Pictures and The Weinstein Company will all be no shows this year at the San Diego Comic Con.'
'Warners has "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Man of Steel" coming next year. Chris Nolan never bothered with the convention for his previous two Batman films so it's no surprise it's skipping out here, while 'Steel' will still be a long way from even beginning to shoot so it's likely Warners will simply wait until next year when they can show a bunch of completed footage from the movie six months ahead of its release. It also means no "Dark Shadows" for the Tim Burton fans and no "Sherlock Holmes" sequel.'
Not all that much of a surprise that DS won't be featured. After all, we know how secretive Burton is. But it is a surprise that Warner Bros. will be a no show entirely - especially when the entire section on their Web site about them gearing up for Comic Con is still there... [ghost_huh]
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Yes, I believe I can confirm that that article is old news - from 2009 actually, about PUBLIC ENEMIES. I don't understand why Google is linking to it as "news"... Really bizarre.
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Yes, I believe I can confirm that that article is old news - from 2009 actually, about PUBLIC ENEMIES.
Thanks, Cousin_Barnabas, for pointing out what the article was really about. [ghost_smiley]
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It took some finger-work, but I eventually found a discussion about it. I was really hoping that it was similar to the EW article fiasco where we would be able to track down something out of the misinformation, but nada at this point... unless HR plans to upload a new article in a very similar vein at some point. "Blood-thirsty" did indeed have a lot of potential.
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I see where Dark Shadows News' Twitter feed tracked down this rather interesting tweet from yesterday:
EdH_B
In pinewood studios getting fitted for Dark Shadows extra part. Amusingly we have to rehearse early 70's dancing, annoyingly to Alice Cooper
13 Jun
So long as the extras aren't dressed as clowns or skeletons, or dancing in a mausoleum, it definitely sounds like a hoot! [ghost_cheesy] And if it's the Blue Whale that plays Alice Cooper, well, that's a major change in their jukebox repertoire! [ghost_grin]
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I just discovered that someone tweeted to Alice Cooper about the extras' rehearsal:
HoboRobot
@RealAliceCooper I heard that the new cast of Dark Shadows was dancing to Alice Cooper music on the set.
57 minutes ago
Wonder what he'll think? [ghost_wink]
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LOL, I would hope that Alice is fine with this- they would probably need to get his permission anyway. I've never been a huge Alice fan, but I saw him on CNN a few weeks ago and he is *such* a cool guy- well spoken, great attitude, funny, and smart. I'd like to think he's a DS fan! (They should give him a cameo, in makeup, lol!)
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Two more Collinwood set photos: http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=180
(Scroll down to 15th post on the page.)
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Hmmm - I just noticed that the post says the photos will only be up until 1:15pm. [ghost_sad] So, if you go to the site and they're gone, apparently that's why...
Also, wonder if Chloe Moretz will answer this:
TomVprosser
@ChloeGMoretz Hows Dark Shadows coming along and whats Johnny Depp like? I really what to know
4 hours ago
And apparently Depp/DS even has fans in Thailand:
NinAtalala
อยากดูหนังป๋า #Johnnydepp >\\\< ปล.เมื่อไหร่จะได้ดูเรื่อง Dark Shadows (#Timburton) ซะที = 3=
5 hours ago
Or at least that's where NinAtalala's profile says she's from. [ghost_smiley]
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More Google Alert strangeness: I just received a link to this article from April 1st. Interestingly, the article claimed that a 10-year-old actor had been cast to play the "youngest version" of Barnabas - though as we know, the plot synopsis from Warner Bros. doesn't mention anything about a younger version of Barn other than the 1752 incarnation that will be played by Thomas McDonell, and the young actor in question's name does not appear in the Warner Bros. Press Release, or on the IMDb, or anywhere else so far as I'm aware. But for what it's worth: Dark Shadows rounds out its young cast (http://screenterrier.blogspot.com/search/label/Chloe%20Moretz)
If it wasn't for the fact that the parts about Chloe Moretz and Thomas McDonell are true, I might actually think the article was an April Fool's Day joke. And there's also the fact that whoever wrote it seems to have thought DS was a British series from the '60s. [ghost_rolleyes]
Also, the set pictures on the JOHNNYDEPPZONE Web site are still be there. And hopefully they'll stay...
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Wow - this would certainly be a different type of poster: Tim Burton's Dark Shadows (http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22800000/Dark-Shadows-tim-burtons-dark-shadows-22894695-500-600.jpg). [ghost_wink]
And BTW, I see now that what the poster who posted the Collinwood set photos on JOHNNYDEPPZONE meant was that the photos were taken at 1:15 today (UK time), not that they were only going to be up on the board until 1:15. What initially confused me was 1) I read the post really quickly, and 2) the person who alerted me to the photos only moments before I posted the link to them also alerted me to the fact that often times photos are moved to a private area of that board after a time, so they might not have even still been there if I didn't get to the JOHNNYDEPPZONE post soon enough. So, when I saw "up until 1:15," I jumped to the conclusion that that was when they were going to be moved to the private area. Oops! But hey, better for me to have been wrong about that and for the photos to still be up for all of us to see than to have gotten to the board too late and for them to have been gone already. [ghost_smiley] And who knows, they may still disappear. But if so, at least a lot of us have had the opportunity to see them.
Speaking of the photos, I've finally had the chance to blow them up, and I must say that I'm particularly intrigued by the one with the set of urns where one of them is broken. I doubt the broken one is an accident as it's probably going to be used to dress the set for the 1972 period when the house has fallen into disrepair. It's also interesting to see that a section of railing is also being added to the other end of the house, they're laying out the driveway, and they have all those plants on those metal shelves. Presumably the plants are for landscaping...
It's also interesting that there's still so much lumber on the site, so who knows what else they might be building. If only the poster had shared a bit of what she'd learned from the "lovely, friendly set builders."
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The poster on the JOHNNYDEPPZONE just recently posted that she hopes to go back to the set on Friday for an update. So, hopefully we can look forward to more photos from her. [ghost_smiley]
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Great new photos from 'Collinwood'. I too noticed the broken vase. I wonder if there is still a chance that the town of Collinsport will play any role in the new movie. It always adds something to a movie to have scenes and places with people other than the main cast in them IMO.
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I forgot to mention that portions of the new section of railing seems to be intentionally broken as well.
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Checking today's recent DS tweets, I discovered this:
NicolBuncex
#JonnyDepp is at my work... Filming for his new film 'dark shadows' :) x
3 hours ago
which lead to these:
LisaMarie_Long
Just seen Johnny Depp in full Dark Shadows make up at Pinewood studios.. Little bit exciting.
3 hours ago
VanessaMayfield
@LisaMarie_Long AAhh awesome, one of the guys in my next feature is working on Dark Shadows atm... not gonna lie I'm pretty jealous!
3 hours ago
LisaMarie_Long
@VanessaMayfield Omg I'd be pretty jealous of him too!! Lucky blighter!!
3 hours ago
VanessaMayfield
@LisaMarie_Long I know right!
3 hours ago
LisaMarie_Long
Supposed to be doing ADR but actually still eyeball sexing Johnny Depp through the window. 2 sightings so far.. #PinewoodStudios
1 hour ago
LisaMarie_Long
I'd like to point out that I may only have 2 non reciprocated eye sexings with Depp but I'm in triple numbers with his security..
1 hour ago
LisaMarie_Long
@sothcott Ha! Actually I'm not vaguely attracted to him.. But its fun to watch.. Especially with all that crazy white make up!
1 hour ago
(Couldn't get sothcott's tweets because his tweets are "protected" and you have to ask permission to follow him. But he's only responding to hers, so...)
So we know for certain that Depp is on set today. [ghost_wink]
And not only those - I also discovered these from earlier in the day:
superhoop
johnny lee miller, johnny depp, michelle pffeifer, helena bonham carter are all going to be 500 yrds from me filming dark shadows.
6 hours ago
extrafriends
Fancy joining #JohnnyDepp in his new movie Dark Shadows? The UK Extras Agent is Mad Dog Casting! More like this on extrafriends.co.uk
5 hours ago
superhoop
@paulblakeyuk I work at the Transport Research Laboratory. They film loads here
5 hours ago
Stuh777
Just heard that a hollywood movie called Dark Shadows is going to be filmed where i work. How cool is that!
5 hours ago
paulblakeyuk
@superhoop thats a perk if ever I heard one! Do you get to meet anyone or just stare adoringly through a window?
5 hours ago
superhoop
@paulblakeyuk we have loads of land they are just building the set and they are filming next week. Yeah I can go ... http://tmi.me/bBMHI
5 hours ago
So we also know that Jonny Lee Miller, Michelle Pffeifer, and Helena Bonham Carter are shooting. [ghost_smiley]
Wish Stuh777 would have mentioned where he works. [ghost_wink] Though it could be the same place as where superhoop works...
It also appears that superhoop is talking about the Collinwood set. If they really are going to be starting to shoot there next week, perhaps we actually will get some photos. Probably paparazzi photos. But, hey, photos are photos are this point! [ghost_cheesy]
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Is this person an extra, I wonder:
NickyEssex_
Wants a Handlebar Moustache ... Cant wait to tweet the picture of me in movie 'Dark Shadows' .. The Sweeney springs to mind...
23 minutes ago
If so, how sad would it be if his photo turns out to be the first one we might see in connection to the film? [ghost_sad]
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Apparently Google Alerts missed this interview, posted on June 10th: Eva Green (http://www.malibumag.com/site/article/eva_green/P0/)
And once again it seems as if she thinks she's making one sort of movie while others think the film is a different sort:
"Would you ever do a comedy?
Dark Shadows is a comedy; it’s a dark comedy. It’s very, very funny."
Who knows? Though as of the time this interview was conducted, she had yet to begin work on the film...
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Well, I see the "rumored" has been removed from Helena Bonham Carter's name on IMDb - though it remains for Jonny Lee Miller. [ghost_huh] I guess whoever handles the Depp/DS film on IMDb doesn't follow Twitter or else they would know that Jonny Lee Miller was shooting today. (Or should that be yesterday since it's already tomorrow in England? [ghost_wink])
Also the film dipped slightly this week on IMDb's MOVIEmeter - from 522 to 581. But then, there wasn't much new publicity last week...
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Don't know if anyone saw it, but here is a fun little article about seaweed being used in Dark Shadows, POTC, and other films.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/seaweed-harvest-boost-for-jobs-in-hebrides-1.1106843?localLinksEnabled=false (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/seaweed-harvest-boost-for-jobs-in-hebrides-1.1106843?localLinksEnabled=false)
Shadows is mentioned once, and it is unclear as to whether the beach scene being discussed is in POTC or Shadows... But, we can assume BOTH, I'm sure. [ghost_grin]
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Hmmm - interesting. The seaweed could easily be being used for a beach scene. Or maybe the ghost of Bill Malloy makes a surprise visit and leaves his calling card of a pile of seaweed on the floor. [ghost_cheesy]
Thanks for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley]
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Just saw these exchanges on Twitter:
TrevorDMoretz
What does a moody #timburton teen character listen to between takes? #Rihanna.....who knew? @ChloeGMoretz
1 hour ago
COLRICEVE
@TrevorDMoretz one can only guess what the little moody madam @ChloeGMoretz has in store for the evening to end the day...
1 hour ago
stiofandafyyd
@TrevorDMoretz @ChloeGMoretz If Barnabas is involved, then 'Man Down' would prob be her song. Though bullets don't exactly stop vampires lol
1 hour ago
ChloeGMoretz
@TrevorDMoretz actually that'd be the #Tangled soundtrack
1 hour ago
EthanJDurkin
@TrevorDMoretz @ChloeGMoretz i thought it would be more @ladygaga tbh :)
1 hour ago
COLRICEVE
@TrevorDMoretz So Lady Gaga in the morning followed by Rihanna in the afternoon, didn't see that one coming...
1 hour ago
DaxHalo
@TrevorDMoretz Surely with all this rain, she's just had umbrellas on the mind...
1 hour ago
So apparently Chloe Moretz is shooting again. And apparently it's been raining a lot in England. That can't help with the construction of the Collinwood set...
Also, who knows what this exchange means (if anything):
joelidster
@gossjam What are you doing in Heathrow?! You can't leave! I've left you in charge of Dark Shadows!!
2 hours ago
gossjam
@joelidster it's over. Goodbye Joe. Ps keys to Collinwood under mat.
2 hours ago
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I just realized that last exchange has to do with the Big Finish Audio dramas - not the Depp/DS film. Joseph Lidster wrote London's Burning.
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Two more DS tweets:
Apparently some people are still just learning of the film:
spirality Lia
WAIT. They're making a film version of Dark Shadows with Johnny Depp as Barnabas and Eva Green as Angelique? Y E S P L E A S E.
1 hour ago
OsborneFrank
@ChloeGMoretz Good evening Chloe. How's it going with Dark Shadows, you haven't said much about it. Having fun filming?
1 hour ago
And it's not looking like she's going to have much to say because she never responded to TomVprosser's tweet, at least publicly. But then, there's that damn confidentiality agreement...
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Apparently many of us managed to miss this from back on the 11th - but Dark Shadows News' Twitter feed managed to find it today:
paulmartinsmith
Panorama of the Bourne Woods with the film set for Dark Shadows under construction http://twitpic.com/5a2t1v
11 Jun
Not a particularly good view of the set (not even when you enlarge it) since it's way off in the distance, but certainly a great shot of the surrounding area...
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Hmmm - earlier than I'd anticipated:
ChloeGMoretz
Soo excited to be in LA tomorrow :) early morning tho :/ 8am
1 hour ago
She doesn't say she's done with DS, but I wouldn't be at all surprised IF she is as she's been on set nearly every day for a bit more than four weeks, and it's not like Carolyn is the main character. Time will tell...
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The poster on the JOHNNYDEPPZONE just recently posted that she hopes to go back to the set on Friday for an update.
Sadly heavy rain caused her not to go. (She went to Pinewood Studios instead, but she didn't see anything because security was "very tight.")
Oh well. But perhaps she'll go to the Collinwood set another day. And if shooting really does begin there next week...
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A few people on Twitter have asked Chloe Moretz if she's done shooting DS. So far no reply from her. And she has tweeted about being at the airport, so it's not like she hasn't been on Twitter since they asked. And if past behavior is any indication, she probably won't reply - or can't reply...
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An answer - though not from Chloe - from her brother:
TrevorDMoretz
Back in LA!!! Yayy!!!!
3 hours ago
WLechnerMUC
@TrevorDMoretz Always good to come back home. Is the shooting for 'Dark Shadows' done? Hope you and @ChloeGMoretz have a great weekend... :)
3 hours ago
TrevorDMoretz
@WLechnerMUC no not done just hav a week off
2 hours ago
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Why would anyone want to be in LA when you could be in England!
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Perhaps they got tired of all the rain. [ghost_grin] And Chloe was missing her dogs. [dog] But seeing as she seems to show up as so many events and has so many photoshoots, maybe she has a commitment in LA next week? [gorgeous] Or maybe they all simply wanted to sleep in their own beds after more than a month away. [8371] [ghost_wink]
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Well, what do you know - Jonny Lee Miller is no longer listed as "rumored" on IMDb. I guess it's safe to breath a sigh of relief that he's actually in the film. [ghost_wink]
One does have to wonder, though, which one of the many official mentions of Miller being a part of the cast finally got through to whoever had him listed as "rumored" in the first place? [ghost_rolleyes] Not to mention what took them so long to accept it...
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Today's Depp/DS news from Twitter:
From Debby VanPoucke:
SoundDiva
I am now post supervisor for the film "Dark Shadows" This is going to get good folks
9 hours ago
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"POST supervisor"? I guess this means that there WILL be a cereal tie-in! [ghost_tongue2] [ghost_wink] Honey Bunches of Barnabas... [ghost_cheesy] Naturally, they will be Eva Green shaped.
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[laughing4] But no. it means she'll be the chief sound editor during post production. [ghost_smiley]
(And I'm a big fan of Honey Bunches of Oats - I go through a complete box almost every week. So, if they ever did do a tie-in, I'd be buying them regardless of any DS connection. [ghost_wink])
Also, don't know if this is accurate, but given all the rain in England lately, which has got to have wreaked havoc trying to complete the Collinwood set, it could make sense. So for what it's worth:
RussTaylor622
@gintowee Dark Shadows is still filming they're taking a short break to build more sets !
2 hours ago
Though they could even be building more indoor sets for all we know...
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[ghost_cheesy] I know, MB. I was just joshing everyone. But, yes, I am all for DS cereal promotions, though I don't think they will happen with the first film. I could be wrong, though. I'm sure if we got a franchise out of it, we would be doing well with merchandising and promos.
Blasted rain. I wanted to see some pictures!
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I believe this is a recent photo of Collinwood. If it has been posted already my apologies.
http://twitpic.com/5dudtr/full
The person tweeting said that the set has moved on I guess meaning that it has progressed.
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It has not been posted, and thanks so much for posting it. [ghost_smiley]
The set has indeed moved on: the entryway has its stone finishing - and there's a fountain! Not to mention tons more greenery on the walls, and they'd laid some grass. Though obviously they had yet to plant the plants. But if the ground was soaked from all the rain, they wouldn't have.
And speaking of the rain, it probably wasn't a factor in scheduling this week's break from shooting. The rain would have certainly affected the outdoor Collinwood set- but two weeks ago when Chloe Moretz' brother was originally tweeting he'd be in LA this week, the production had no idea that they'd be getting so much rain last week. So if, as that tweet from yesterday indicates, the break is so they can build more sets, they must be also building something other than the Collinwood facade. Though whether it's indoors or outdoors is anyone's guess...
And thanks again, jimbo! You caught that photo really quickly because it hadn't even been posted by Andy_McC for 20 minutes before you posted here about it. [ghost_cheesy]
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Thanks MB. Right place right time although I have to be careful because people retweet pics that were taken a while back as new.
The fountain looks real close to the entrance although the photo's depth could be misleading and/or its on a movable track. I'm glad we have these pictures to compare when we see the movie and it is a good test to see how much CGI can make a facade look as the real thing as in the other movies previously spoken here.
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I am really loving this thread. Who would ever have thought that Tim Burton would build a copy of Seaview, complete down to the last detail, in the middle of a forest in England?
It's utterly crazy, but this kind of crazy I like.
G.
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i wonder if in the film they'll consume alcohol original "DS style"? that is to say never any ice cubes, nothing chilled. just warm sherry and brandy poured from an ever-present decanter into glasses conveniently numbering the amount of people in the scene.
and since there is apparently an on-set chef and the piece is set in 1972 should we expect the gang to gather around the fondue pot?
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I am back from Granny's! I am loving all this fun stuff going on. It's good to see some of the people who thought this may be an awful movie feeling more positive. IT is a great time being a DS Fan. I was at a used book store talking up some hippies who own it about the show then telling them about the movie. They had no idea. When I mentioned Johnny they were so excited. He seems to be generally and transcends age groups! :) I am so excited about our show and the new life it's getting! Dare I say, I can totally see a sequel in the works. Wonder if they will wait to see how it does before tearing it down? Do we know any budget numbers yet? And has Danny Eflman signed on to do the music? Love you guys!
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Love the idea of a family fondue dinner, overseen by a dour Mrs J (who on Earth is playing Mrs J??).
If it's 1972, I wonder whether we will see Vaggie and Carolyn working on a macrame vest set.
G.
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Hmmm - I just opened a Google Alert for four new Collinwood set photos from aston5man. I never received an alert for any of his earlier photos.
Check out: Dark Shadows Film Set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5849458502/)
Though wouldn't you know I'm just about to go out for the night so I can't really look at them until I come home later. But it's nice to see that we have what looks like a firm date for the start of filming: the 21st...
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Now that's what I call Collinwood. Let us hope that the top half of the house looks as familiar. [ghost_wink]
Thanks, as always, MB for sharing this information. This thread is definitely the definitive DS Movie news page.
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Love the idea of a family fondue dinner, overseen by a dour Mrs J (who on Earth is playing Mrs J??).
oh i can only imagine mrs.j's barely suppressed FURY the first time liz asked her to make fondue! the way she saw things that fancy "foreign" food should stay where it belonged. all mr.malloy ever asked for was a proper new england boiled dinner and some nice FRESH homemade mayonnaise. she blamed carolyn for these wild ideas what with her hanging out at that fancy-pants "bangor pine"!
b.t.w. one of my favorite moments of 1970 parallel-time was when quentin and maggie return to collinwood and "hoffman" has prepared them(fireside, if i recall!)some sort of crab dish served in some sort of fancy silver chaffing-dish type thing.
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To Cousin B, I think the top half is going to be filled in via CGI or similar--I'm seeing a broad band of blue fabric or facing of some kind along the top. Constructing a convincing copy of all those turrets and crenellations would really take bucks and time.
And to MSC, I can just imagine her fuming comments about the evils of fondue. One wonders what her response was the first time David and Hallie asked her to make pizza for a party they were having their friends over for in the Summer of '71! I have a cousin who still recalls his father's flat refusal to eat pizza until sometime in the late Sixties--it was considered "foreign."
G.
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Absolutely, Gothick! I'm really excited to see the finished house in the film. I hope that some publicity photos will provide a glimpse of the house during the pre-release promotions. I'm really hoping that they stay true to the very Carey-esque mansion we have now through every phase of the (computer) "construction" process.
As for where Barnabas might be staying, has anyone considered the west wing?
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I think its a stroke of genius that Julia is the family physciatrist! LOL Great way to explain her being around all the time! :)
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So has anyone read the cast list on Wiki? What is that all about? [ghost_blink] [ghost_cheesy]
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Go to 'Gadling'...photos of cemeteries...creepy to be sure but very interesting. I can see 1 or 2 in the DS movie.
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Just so everyone knows what I am talking about in the previous post, I have attached a screencap, as the issue has been resolved. Anyone know anything about this silliness? [ghost_blink]
Click here to see it: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/87/wikicast.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/87/wikicast.jpg/)
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"Quentin Collins, the mysterious BEARDED werewolf" ?????
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That was my reaction, DarkLady!
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My second reaction is NONONONONONONONONONONONONONO
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Hmm... I don't ever recall seeing a clean-shaven werewolf--at least in the transformed state! That would be quite a sight... [ghost_shocked]
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So has anyone read the cast list on Wiki? What is that all about? [ghost_blink] [ghost_cheesy]
When was Kieran Hammond listed as Quentin on Wiki because it's not there now. It is still on the Facebook page for the film, however. Though the whole thing strikes me as someone's idea of a joke. Wiki is just about as bad as IMDb when it comes to misinformation...
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Hmmm - wonder what this tweet is about:
CapnZeus
Up near London. Ready for 1st day of filming at Pinwood studios on Johnny Depp's new film Dark Shadows tomorrow
4 hours ago
The only clue his profile gives is where it says: "Diving, Sailing, messing about in or on the water".
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Oh, I totally think it's a joke. I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas WHO might have been responsible for starting this... and why. They even annotated it with the article used for the other cast members. Clearly he was not mentioned in said article. So, yes, it has got to be a joke... but who and why? [ghost_blink] I was thinking it might have been someone related to the film - maybe pulling an inside joke. Of course, a totally unrelated funny man could be behind it as well.
The cast list was on Wiki last night when I checked to see what people had posted about the film on Wikipedia. It was gone this morning.
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If one does a Google search for Kieran Hammond (which I did before I posted because I was trying to find out if there even is an actor with that name (there doesn't appear to be)) a YouTube video with an extremely in poor taste title comes up. So, if that's the same Kieran Hammond, well...
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An interesting exchange between NickyEssex_ (who we heard from on the 15th and suspected might be working on the film as an extra) and robmeadofficial (who's apparently a model signed to Next Model Management in London.)
robmeadofficial
Pinewood studios!
11 hours ago
NickyEssex_
@robmeadofficial you doing Dark Shadows?
2 hours ago
robmeadofficial
@NickyEssex_ yes Ma'te u??
2 hours ago
NickyEssex_
@robmeadofficial yes mate!! My 70's attire looks immense ... Very 'Starsky and Hutch :)
1 hour ago
NickyEssex_
@robmeadofficial what scenes you doing? club scene? town scene? both?
1 hour ago
robmeadofficial
@NickyEssex_ nor sure yet Ma'te I take it your with mad dog
10 minutes ago
NickyEssex_
@robmeadofficial yes mate, Maddog, Ray Knight, Casting, The lot :), I have 11 days on Shadows, Should be good fun, But itchy with the tache!
7 minutes ago
(And they're still going on - but only about extra casting agencies at this point. But if anything else about DS comes up, I'll certainly post it...)
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Nothing about their latter excahnge was very informative, and about 30 minutes ago NickyEssex_ simply signed off by saying he'd see robmeadofficial on set. And unfortunately NickyEssex_ hasn't shared that photo of himself in costume that he mentioned wanting to tweet. But perhaps he can't. Or perhaps it will actually show up in the coming days. After all, he'll be working on the film for 11 days...
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Until a few seconds ago I'd completely forgotten about CapnZeus. Here are his tweets for today:
CapnZeus
Just had a phone call, apparently Johnny Depp is really excited to meet me!!!!!!!
12 hours ago
CapnZeus
And Michelle Pfeiffer apparently hasn't slept all night with excitement !!!!
12 hours ago
CapnZeus
I'm at Pinewood Studios (Pinewood Rd., Iver heath) http://4sq.com/masFbv
10 hours ago
CapnZeus
Apparently Michelle Pfeiffer was that excited to see me she let out a little bit of wee!!!
8 hours ago
CapnZeus
Might as well have a look while I'm here! (@ 007 Stage Pinewood) http://4sq.com/iSVfNA
7 hours ago
I have a feeling that a lot of that is very tongue in cheek. [ghost_wink] But what is interesting is that it looks like he's posted photos or video of the DS stage/set located on the 007 Stage at Pinewood. Here's someone's comment on whichever it is:
The most amazing stage/set I've ever seen.
via Antonio G.
But you can't see what he's posted unless you become a member of foursquare and he approves you as a friend. [ghost_sad]
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Is CapnZeus that famous that Depp and Pfeiffer are excited to meet him or is he just joking?
I didn't know where to place this article by CBS Watch Magazine released two hours ago as it covers many areas but how could the writer leave out Night of Dark Shadows? http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2lCuno/cbswatchmagazine.com/blog/2011/06/20/bite-club/
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Why would anyone want to be in LA when you could be in England!
For the palm trees in the background shots!
Gerard
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For the palm trees in the background shots!
[ghost_grin] Yes! A little CGI can erase those eye sores....hee,hee.
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Dark Shadows News has posted four new photos of the Collinwood set/surroundings: More Movie Set Photos (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/06/new-movie-set-photos_22.html). Because they were also taken this past weekend, the two shots of the Collinwood facade are extremely similar to the ones that were posted by others on Sunday, but the two of the wall/gate are definitely worth a look. Interesting if that wall surrounds the Collinwood estate...
(In case anyone missed reading aston5man's reply to one of the comments about his photo of the wall/gate, he said that it's "about 100 yards from the main building on a different part of the site." He also theorized that rather than being a part of the Collinwood estate, it could be a part of a cemetery...)
As for Twitter, so far there's not much new today. I see where Malibu Magazine didn't get around to tweeting about their Eva Green interview until today (despite the fact that it's been up on their Web site since the 10th). And I also see that Bella Heathcote has resurfaced again and tweeted that she's enjoying London - though nothing about DS. What might be significant is that she's changed the photo of herself to one with dark hair. Perhaps it's actually a publicity shot from the film. Or perhaps not. Check it out here (http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1406364432/normal_003.jpg) and see what you think...
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The fountain looks real close to the entrance although the photo's depth could be misleading
This photo (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XcElMU0Hx08/TgHpEibwU-I/AAAAAAAAArs/aRL0nW7sq10/s1600/252572_10150219212251647_649936646_7439361_5837948_n.jpg) on Dark Shadows News shows the fountain from a different angle, and there appears to be quite a bit of distance between the fountain and the entrance. [ghost_smiley] Though to really see it, one probably needs to download a copy and enlarge it. [ghost_wink]
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MB, I remember seeing that image of Bella before shooting - maybe on FB (?) - , so I don't think it has anything to do with Shadows.
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I figured it was a long shot that it was connected to DS because absolutely nothing has come out connected to the film. [ghost_sad] And if I'd thought to do a Google search sooner, I would have discovered earlier that the photo is from a piece on Bella that appeared in Interview (yet another article that Google Alerts seems to have missed: Bella Heathcote (http://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/bella-heathcote/).) There's no date on the Web site for the article - but a bit of additional digging reveals that it was out back in April.
And while I'm at it, a couple of other things I keep forgetting to say:
Apparently Google Alerts missed this interview, posted on June 10th: Eva Green (http://www.malibumag.com/site/article/eva_green/P0/)
I do love that when asked to describe Angelique, Eva Green sums her up by saying that she's so "madly, madly in love" with Barnabas that she's "really koo-koo." [ghost_cheesy] And I also love that she describes the Barnabas/Angelique relationship as "a passionate, obsessed love story." I suspect that's what most fans want to see when it comes to the two of them.
I think its a stroke of genius that Julia is the family physciatrist! LOL Great way to explain her being around all the time! :)
It IS a stroke of genius. The Collinses should have just gone ahead and admitted as much on the original show because Julia was definitely their live-in phychiatrist/general-practitioner/sedative-dispenser. [ghost_grin]
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Hmmm...
kr_shhh
Today for work I had to find herbal green tobacco that we can pretend is marijuana on film! Movie magic.
1 hour ago
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If I was this person, I wouldn't count on this:
EdenLestrange
JOHNNY/HELENA ARE IN ANOTHER MOVIE THAT TIM IS PRODUCING.
3 hours ago
EdenLestrange
IT'S CALLED DARK SHADOWS. AND FOR ONCE, I THINK JOHNNY AND HELENA END UP TOGETHER.
3 hours ago
Though it would be interesting, especially for Julia fans, if that's the way things turn out...
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Heavens! The green friend at Collinwood? What can be next--a sequence shot in a--a bathroom at the Great House??
G.
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Any bets on the characters partaking? Probably the extras, but I could see any number of the main cast doing it as well... just not Liz. At least, I hope NOT Liz.
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Well it is the 70''s after all. I am not suprised MJ plays a part. I know it's just a prevelant today but again when I think 70's I think MJ, LSD, you get the picture! :) I am so excited about the movie! :)
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Just came across this tweet from Chloe Muton-Phillips, who's one of the make-up artists working on DS (though who the hell knows what it means because, of course, there's no further explanation [ghost_sad]):
chloempmakeup
#darkshadows everything's just got a little more exciting!
6 hours ago
As for the marijuana, just because it will be featured in some way in the film, that doesn't necessarily mean it will actually turn up at Collinwood. Remember, they're shooting a club scene this week (the one extras were rehearsing their dancing to the tune of Alice Cooper). [ghost_wink] Though that being said, having Barnabas get stoned seems like something Seth Grahame-Smith might do. Though that could also happen at the club, too...
And apparently the film is still hiring behind the scenes people because Adam Stevenson, who works as a freelance Audio/Visual Technician, tweeted this today:
AdamASAV
Just got offered some work on Tim Burtons film Dark Shadows but i'm already working on those dates :(
3 hours ago
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I thought this was a fun comment from a friend of Hugh Kerrigan, who's working on DS as part of the miscellaneous crew (meaning he does a lot of different jobs):
EmilySharratt
Slightly concerned that @hueykerrigan is going to BECOME a vampire after a week of nights on #DarkShadows
27 minutes ago
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(And there's nothing like a raging thunderstorm to get you in a DS mood. Even though it's not even 3pm yet, it's practically pitch black out with thunder crashing and lightning flashing every few minutes. Good times. [ghost_grin] (And it's a good thing my connection to the Internet is wireless. [ghost_wink]))
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Two hours ago on Twitter, Chloe Moretz asked people to ask her some "fun questions." Three people asked her about DS - she didn't answer one. The only question she did answer that wasn't complete innocuous (like "Panda bears, are they just black bears who ran out of ink?" [ghost_huh] or "what's your shoe size" [ghost_blink] or "do u like cheese?" [ghost_rolleyes] - yes, she did answer those) is this:
LIVESTRONG_girl
@ChloeGMoretz If you could have lunch with any actor/actress dead or alive, who would it be?
1 hour ago
ChloeGMoretz
@LIVESTRONG_girl audrey hepburn because shes the most amazing actress of all timeee
1 hour ago
Well, if she wants to pattern her career after Audrey Hepburn's, I suppose that would definitely be one to try to emulate.
And maybe Chloe doesn't think questions about DS are "fun" enough, so that's why she didn't answer them. Or again, perhaps she can't, even when someone simply asks her:
Miss_Autonomy
@ChloeGMoretz are you excited to work with the icon that is Michelle Pfeiffer? Can't wait for Dark Shadows! What a brilliant cast
1 hour ago
The answer to that could have been very interesting. But alas...
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I'm thinking my hopes for this movie were way, way to high.
Maybe it's just as well that they aren't anymore.
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On the other hand, here are some tweets that are a lot more interesting:
emmarowell29
At Bourne Woods to see filming and it's starts tonight, cast a crew showing up now. Make sense to film at nite if it's a vampire movie
6 hours ago
CastleAddict
I love Johnny Depp
6 hours ago
emmarowell29
@CastleAddict Johnny Depp is filming near me.went to the set to see if we could see him but they don't start filming till tonight.
6 hours ago
emmarowell29
@CastleAddict gong back later tonight to see if we can see anything
6 hours ago
CastleAddict
@emmarowell29 ah, that is so cool! I'd be back there tonight :)
5 hours ago
emmarowell29
@CastleAddict not sure how close will be able to get but gotta try.
5 hours ago
emmarowell29
We got stopped by security so no Johnny Depp tonight booooo
33 minutes ago
CastleAddict
@emmarowell29 :( I applaud your effort :)
32 minutes ago
emmarowell29
@CastleAddict had to try. We got so far and saw lights for the set but then told we couldn't go any further.
28 minutes ago
Well, now we know for sure the Collinwood set is complete and they're shooting there!
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If anyone cares, in 1972 Alice Cooper released School's Out, it was his 5th album. If they're going to have a song by him in it it should be the title song. Before that album they released Killer in '71, Love It To Death in '70, the first two didn't have any hits on them.
I have everything that Alice ever released from music to music videos to movies to books. It's hard to say if I like DS or Alice better, but Alice doesn't belong in DS.
Nor does MJ.
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I remember a special that Alice Cooper did with Vincent Price in the early 1970s, when this movie is set. Thinking back on it, it had a kooky-spooky quality that I can see appealing to Tim Burton.
I imagine the use of elements such as Alice Cooper and people passing joints will simply be to help set the scene--of a film set in the early Seventies.
To borgosi, if anything I had negative expectations. To be brutally frank, I still don't know whether Depp can pull off the role of Barnabas Collins. But I am now sufficiently intrigued by the project that I am at least keen to see the trailers. The movie itself--we'll have to see.
I'm still waiting to hear firm, authorized news regarding the original films' DVD release. For the sake of people here who I know want it so badly, I hope they include the little WB pilot as an extra, too.
G.
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The Alice Cooper TV show that you're talking about was based on his/they're Welcome To My Nightmare album and it came out in 1976. It's on DVD and it's a great show. There are two DVDs one is the concert for the album and one is the TV show. The TV show was pulled off the air in much of the country because of the some "Only Women Bleed". It was thought to be pro-abuse at the time. If they had taken to time to listen they would have known that it's anti-abuse.
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I see where Chloe Moretz has once again received an award - this time she was awarded Best Performance by a Younger Actor for Let Me In at the Saturn Awards, which, for those who may not know, are handed out by The Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror Films.
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I really cannot wait to see this movie!! [ghost_smiley]
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Hmmm - this is an interesting list because, if it's correct, the Depp/DS film will be released in Australia on May 10, almost two days (with the time difference) before it's released in the US: 2012 Releases | The Reel Bits (http://www.thereelbits.com/2012-releases/).
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They might be using the Alice Cooper song as a placeholder, so to speak, for the scene, with the intention of replacing it with original music. As for marijuana, it seems like a good fit for Willie. Can't really imagine the Collins family sitting around smoking pot. (Alcohol is another matter, of course...)
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As for marijuana, it seems like a good fit for Willie.
We're on the same wavelength because I had a similar thought and was just coming to post about it. [ghost_wink] I can easily see Willie using marijuana to try to escape from whatever horrors Barnabas might be committing - as well as whatever Barn has Willie himself doing.
One thing we have to remember is that we really know so very little about the film, so practically everything we post is pure speculation on our parts. Marijuana could used as a joke in the film - but it could just as easily be used seriously. Only time will tell...
(Alcohol is another matter, of course...)
Definitely! What would Roger be without his brandies? [ghost_cheesy]
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ChazJohnsonUK
had to turn down a job on the new Tim Burton film (Dark Shadows) with Johhny Depp & Michelle Pfeiffer yesterday. XF is way more cool anyway.
1 hour ago
Apparently he worked on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Parts 1 & 2 as a set production assistant - but I wonder why he turned down working on DS? Well, beyond the fact that he thinks XF is cooler...
And this is the second person that we know of who was recently asked to work on DS but turned it down...
Also, someone on Twitter just claimed to post a photo of Depp on the Collinwood exterior set, but it turns out to actually be a photo of four cows in a field. Apparently some people have nothing better to do with their lives than be foolish. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Good to see Chloe win the award for the under appreciated movie.
Another pic was uploaded showing Collinwood's outer gate-nice to see its name.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5866584751/in/photostream
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I guess we now know where that broken piece was intended to go. [ghost_wink] And that doesn't appear to be a part of the same wall as before.
Too bad security is keeping people at a distance now. I suppose that means we won't be getting too many more photos of the set. Well, unless as I theorized the other day might be the case, the paparazzi show up with their telephoto lenses. [ghost_wink] Normally I'm not on the side of the paparazzi, but in this case we should only be so lucky... (Though perhaps those German Shepherds are telephoto lens sniffing German Shepherds - in which case we're screwed! [ghost_cheesy])
Thanks for posting the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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And that doesn't appear to be a part of the same wall as before.
Wait a minute - I take that back - it does look like the same wall, only with the stone finish and the word "Collinwood" added, and tons and tons of overgrowth around it. It was the overgrowth that threw me off at first because you can barely see the wall with so much of it. But then I noticed the same swirly design (for lack of a better description [ghost_wink]) on the left side of the column.
(So much for the theory that it might have been a cemetery wall...)
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Apparently award winning film and music video director James Sharpe was at Pinewood Studios today and tweeted this:
JamesSharpe
Back from Pinewood very cool day seeing very cool things (no photos taken) including the building of the village for Burton's Dark Shadows.
1 hour ago
Damn Burton and his no photos rule. [ghost_sad]
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Another tweet from Debby VanPoucke:
SoundDiva
I am so excited about working on "Dark Shadows"
1 hour ago
And also, this article: Farewell to Nerds: The Big Studios & Comic Con… (http://m0vie.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/farewell-to-nerds-the-big-studios-comic-con/)
There's nothing specifically in it about DS, but this part here -
"I can appreciate why they might adjust their strategy to reflect the fact there’s no correlation between appealing to the hardcore fans and reaching a wider audience."
- is something that has often been stressed when it comes to WB, Burton et al. considering us - and the fact the WB won't be having anything about DS at Comic Con 2011 and is in fact skipping the convention altogether just seems to highlight it all the more.
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Interesting article, MB. I wonder whether massive events such as Comic Con will be able to continue without the studio financial support and perquisites.
I hadn't heard that Universal had stopped production on the Guillermo del Toro Mountains of Madness movie. That's too bad. I was really looking forward to that one, although I don't think it would have been as good as the independently produced Whisperer in Darkness, which, from the Youtube trailers, looks as if it will be THE definitive Lovecraft film adaptation--full stop.
I also wonder whether it isn't a matter of the majors no longer catering to geeks as to the TPTB deciding they can do it all more effectively for less money online.
It will be interesting to see how much creative control Burton is able to maintain over the new Dark Shadows product. The whole 3 D thing seems to have imploded. I do wonder what other changes may be dictated by new trends between now and the release date...
G.
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I think it is interesting that they are shooting the 1970s Collinwood "in ruins" first.
Assuming scenes in the 1700s will feature a newly-built Collinwood in pristine condition, wouldn't it have been easier to build the "new" Collinwood and shoot that part of the film first, and then "age" the set for the 1970s? Just wondering.
Also, I am intrigued by the choices the writer made to simplify the story. Of course, we are probably unaware of most of them. But, I'm thinking specifically of his choice to eliminate the Old House. The Old house was SO important to both TV series, and to the first feature film. Although I think it may be a wise decision, and will probably work story-wise -- I could never have come-up with that idea myself. Of course, it still begs the question -- where is Barnabas going to "live", if the family lives at Collinwood.
Having Julia already living with the family is also a good choice, I believe. Since Elizabeth was always neurotic, it isn't a stretch to believe she would hire a live-in psychatrist -- especially if Julia is a down-and-out alcoholic who comes-cheap.
I'm less thrilled about having Angelique already living in Collinsport 1972. Although I'm sure it will work well with the story, I would have preferred they introduce Angelique in a sequal, not the initial film.
And, I will certainly miss Professor Stokes. Being a HUGE fan of the Professor, I'm sad that he seems to have been jetisoned.
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I agree 100% with that. Geeks are the first to get excited about a movie, but if they find one thing has been changed from the source material they are up in arms and boycott the movie. I say this a as huge film and comic geek myself, just not to the extreme of boycotting a movie because it doesn’t have a giant squid.
This, from the comments section of the article, also speaks to the Shadows debate. Clearly a good deal has changed from the original source material. Then again, considering that the original source material was also "film" and in a lengthy format, it does make sense to make changes. I'm just really wondering how much of the original Shadows fanbase will "boycott" the film should it be revealed that there are changes. While I would go see the movie no matter what (Unless Liz is smoking pot. Then I would not attend this movie. ), if there were MAJOR and unnecessary character and basic plot changes, I would probably start bashing it. There has to be something familiar about a work in order for it to be considered part of the original - and the characters and their stories are a big part of it. So far, I have not heard anything I object to... Burton is using the '70s to capture the "weird" vibe of the film. It seems like a very good plot device. Let us hope that this film, in its final incarnation, is true to the original and offers its own unique take. I think that is all any of us, even the fan purists, can ask for.
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Another one who was at Pinewood today!
DickieRay
Worked @pinewoodstudios today. Visited new Alien movie sets. And Dark Shadows. Sworn to secrecy but...Incredible.
1 hour ago
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't actually know whether there will or won't be use of the Old House in the new movie's story. All we know is that it was not mentioned in the press release synopsis. I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that there were some MAJOR ellipses in that synopsis... knowing what I do of the oeuvre and m. o. of Mr. Tim Burton.
Also, it's not clear that the "ruined" Collinwood will stimulate Barnabas to make a trip in time to change family history and restore the manor to its former grandeur. We really know very little how things are set to play out in this redaction once Barnabas is released from his coffin.
Forgive me if I'm being too flippant, but I actually had a really strong image in my mind when the green friend was mentioned of a weary, heartbroken Liz alone in her boudoir, wearing that gorgeous deep blue dressing-gown, taking some long slow tokes on a doob at the end of an elegant holder.
In the psychiatric profession today, they refer to this sort of thing as "self-medicating," I believe.
G.
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LOL, Gothick! I actually had the same idea (albeit less elaborate), which is why I mentioned that. But, it's really not something Elizabeth would do no matter how you spin it. Naomi, possibly, but Liz... No. She's way too prideful to let anything take away her pain. I would see a self-medicating or an addicted Liz as a huge change to the character - whether it was alcohol or other drugs. It's not something I would put past Burton, but it would totally change the idea of the character in the original and previous film. Liz kind of enjoyed her suffering. She did it all alone, and that is what made her so strong and rightfully opinionated about her brother. A weakened Elizabeth is not star material. Next to Depp, Pfeiffer is the name everyone is throwing around, so I'd imagine she will receive second billing, so I hope they realize how important it is to keep those two characters in tact for the purpose of the franchise. Then again, a reinvented Liz couldn't be the worse thing to happen to the film... a reinvented Barnabas would be. No recreational pot for Barnabas, Burton, k? [ghost_rolleyes]
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I have to agree that a 'self-medicating' Liz wouldn't be right and would set the wrong tone for the raising of a young daughter. We wouldn't feel Liz's pain if she wasn't feeling it herself due to being high...IMO. I don't see Barnabas doing drugs on a regular basis as it would make him vulnerable and lacking control.
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next to depp pfeiffer is certainly the biggest "star" attached to the project. but i don't see her getting second billing i see her getting FINAL billing as in...
and
Michelle Pfeiffer
as
ELIZABETH COLLINS STODDARD
one of those type deals.
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That's the sort of billing I'm also anticipating for Michelle Pfeiffer, mscbryk.
Also, I wouldn't say that Pfeiffer's is the name that comes up most often next to Depp's in association with DS - it would be Eva Green's. In fact, next to Depp, she would seem to be getting the lion's share of publicity associated with DS. But then she's also had her film Cracks and the TV series Camelot to promote, so it's not surprising that she's been in front of the public so much lately. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if she gets second billing in the film. Based on what we know so far, I wouldn't be surprised if the billing turns out to be something like:
Johnny Depp Eva Green Helena Bonham Carter
Dark Shadows
Jackie Earle Haley Jonny Lee Miller Chloe Moretz Gulliver McGrath Thomas McDonell
with
Michelle Pfeiffer
as
Elizabeth Collins Stoddard
and
Bella Heathcote
as
Victoria Winters
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A distraught, slightly drunken Roger confronts Elizabeth in the drawing room:
"But why turn to WEED, Liz? Why???"
An arched eyebrow, a disdainful moue of the heavily lacquered lips, a pouting grimace as she turns, gives him a freezing look, and says: "Because I *choose* to do so."
Actually, Cousin B, I think your comments about Liz and her pain are very astute and on the mark. Which is why, when the pain went beyond even her power to bear, Liz seriously contemplated taking a certain step during that harrowing month of June 1967....
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
G.
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LOVE your billing mysterious!
depp, green and carter as the "above the title" names, followed by the rest of the cast with pfeiffer getting special mention and, in a nod to the original series, ingenue victoria winters getting the final "and...as..." billing.
love it!
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A distraught, slightly drunken Roger confronts Elizabeth in the drawing room:
"But why turn to WEED, Liz? Why???"
An arched eyebrow, a disdainful moue of the heavily lacquered lips, a pouting grimace as she turns, gives him a freezing look, and says: "Because I *choose* to do so."
[stfl] [thumb]
Actually, Cousin B, I think your comments about Liz and her pain are very astute and on the mark. Which is why, when the pain went beyond even her power to bear, Liz seriously contemplated taking a certain step during that harrowing month of June 1967....
I agree. That was an extremely perceptive summation of the way Liz felt. [thumbleft]
Actually, one of the things I'm most curious about when it comes to the Depp/DS film is not what the Barnabas/Angelique relationship will be like (mostly because I think we can pretty much figure that out - especially given the comments that have been made about it) or how Victoria will place in the scheme of things (mostly because we already know that she resembles Barnabas' lost love, so that brings with it certain expectations) but how the secrets the present day Collinses all apparently have will factor into the plot. I just hope that each secret will be given its due. Though I wonder how that will be when the plot will unfold over only about two hours and the main focus is sure to be on Barnabas, his relationship with Angelique, and presumably his attempt to recapture his lost love.
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Doesn't it look like it was such a lovely day at Pinewood today (courtesy of Steve_Townley): http://twitpic.com/5gk9o8
Actually, it looks about like it was here the other day when I said we were in the middle of a raging thunderstorm. Too bad DS probably isn't shooting today because if they were, and if the weather is as bad at Bourne Woods, they could shoot scenes at the Collinwood exterior and they wouldn't even need to alter the sky all that much in post. [lghy]
Also here's Chloe Moretz: Saturn Awards 2011 (http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/2011/06/24/chloe-moretz-saturn-awards-2011/)
(And, Cousin_Barnabas, you'll be happy to see that Michelle Pfeiffer gets mentioned but not Eva Green, so Pfeiffer is pulling closer to Green. [wink2])
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A distraught, slightly drunken Roger confronts Elizabeth in the drawing room:
"But why turn to WEED, Liz? Why???"
An arched eyebrow, a disdainful moue of the heavily lacquered lips, a pouting grimace as she turns, gives him a freezing look, and says: "Because I *choose* to do so."
[hello] [hello] [hello]
One of the greatest things I have ever read. Thank you!
Actually, Cousin B, I think your comments about Liz and her pain are very astute and on the mark... Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
G.
I agree. That was an extremely perceptive summation of the way Liz felt. [thumbleft]
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, my inner-Liz fan is coming out. I seriously feel that she was one of the best characters ever written for television (in her first year).
...How the secrets the present day Collinses all apparently have will factor into the plot. I just hope that each secret will be given its due.
I certainly hope so. It's hard to imagine being able to do all of that in one two-hour film, but if it did happen, it would be the first time ever that we actually got to see the Collins family and Barnabas on an equal playing field, which I believe they deserve to be. Striking a balance between the first year and the latter years of the show is essential to a good telling.
(And, Cousin_Barnabas, you'll be happy to see that Michelle Pfeiffer gets mentioned but not Eva Green, so Pfeiffer is pulling closer to Green. [wink2])
I AM happy about that. But, I was actually basing my earlier statement off of what all of the "insiders" were saying, those who visited the studio. They all seem to mentioned Depp and Pfeiffer more than any other combination. (Perhaps this is just me notcing Pfeiffer's name more. [ghost_cheesy]) But, from what I have seen and recall (or want to recall), most mentioned Pfeiffer as opposed to Carter or Green. So, I was using that as my gauge rather than what the entertainment writers are printing.
As for the billing, yes, I see a similar thing happening with Liz. It's been tradition since HoDS. But, my dream billing would go like this:
JOHNNY DEPP
DARK SHADOWS
STARRING
MICHELLE PFEIFFER
Helena Bonham Carter Eva Green
Jackie Earle Haley Jonny Lee Miller Chloe Moretz Gulliver McGrath Thomas McDonell
And
Bella Heathcote
as
Victoria Winters
THOUGH
I expect that we may see something like this:
JOHNNY DEPP
Eva Green Helena Bonham Carter Bella Heathcote
DARK SHADOWS
Jackie Earle Haley Jonny Lee Miller Chloe Moretz Gulliver McGrath Thomas McDonell
And
Michelle Pfeiffer
as
Elizabeth Collins Stoddard
(It's tradition by now. [ghost_wink])
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I expect that we may see something like this:
JOHNNY DEPP
Eva Green Helena Bonham Carter Bella Heathcote
DARK SHADOWS
Jackie Earle Haley Jonny Lee Miller Chloe Moretz Gulliver McGrath Thomas McDonell
And
Michelle Pfeiffer
as
Elizabeth Collins Stoddard
If they don't go with the "and Bella Heathcote as Victoria Winters," I can definitely also see something like that second version - though Heathcote may not be above the title - she might be right after the title, just before Jackie Earle Haley.
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I agree. And I had a tough time filling that slot, but, wouldn't it be awesome if all of Barnabas's ladies were together? [ghost_wink]
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It certainly would. [ghost_wink]
As for the latest on Twitter, this person is obviously really excited by a certain member of the cast:
SaintTweeter
Looking at cast list for DARK SHADOWS. Getting an errection. JACKIE EARL HALLEY AS WILLIE LOOMIS? OH GOD, this movie is gonna be...TEEHEEHEE
44 minutes ago
and
SalvatoreJRisi
If the new 'Dark Shadows' movie is rated anything less than 'R' my heart will break.
1 hour ago
I don't honestly know what I hope for ratingwise. PG-13 would allow more people to easily see it - but I suppose it depends on how much blood they allow in PG-13 because a vampire movie should be bloody. Though I could live with something similar to the way the '91 Series handled the blood...
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Browsing around in Google I have found this interesting picture of a wooden statue that was in the Bourne Woods but removed for some reason in 2007. It reminded me of the large idol in the woods during the Leviathan period in DS. Perhaps left over from an earlier film?
Hopefully it will show up.
Well, it's greater than 100K(?) so cannot post it. [ghost_wub]
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Copy the URL into a post, Miss_Winthrop. [ghost_smiley]
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I would be interested in seeing a picture of this, if you are ever able to upload the image.
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Interesting. Gabriel Freilich, whose name used to appear on the IMDb cast list as playing Hippie #3, tweeted this earlier:
GabrielFreilich
First day on the 'Dark Shadows' set Monday, v. excited! Will Tim realise it was all a frightful mistake and boot me off? Time will tell
4 hours ago
So, apparently he is still doing the film. So, who knows why his name was removed from IMDb? But then, ours is not to fathom the insanity that is IMDb...
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Chloe's brother tweeted this about an hour ago which was expected:
trevor duke moretz
Hiii everyone! Sorry I've been away. Been workiing all week, heading to London tonight for more #timeburton
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given the perimeters of a two hourish movie i'm not surprised to hear that certain changes have been made in the name of expediency.
having angelique already well established in collinsport...rather than being conjured up...is a nontraditional choice but certainly more time-effecient.
and it sounds like victoria, julia and willie are already ensconced at collinwood rather than doing lengthy introductions into their presence there. from the looks of it it doesn't seem like we'll be getting the traditional bit with vicki arriving by train(along with her opening voiceover). the thought of liz renting out a room to dr.hoffman(is liz broke?)is sort of a hoot. maybe it would be fun if julia was being put up in the caretakers cottage or carriage house. we haven't heard about mrs. johnson yet but it seems like this willie loomis will be something of the composite character of the original series' loomis, matthew morgan and harry johnson we got in the 1991 program.
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I was thinking that just because Victoria probably won't be the first person we see in the film, it doesn't necessarily mean we would go without some sort of monologue from Victoria. Assuming she is just recently hired, she could be keeping a diary. One scene could have her do the voiceover as she is writing the words down in the journal. Of course, we don't know whether Vicki is just starting or not. She could have been there for some time, a la Maggie in HoDS.
I was thinking it would be funny if Vicki was in fact a waitress and Liz hired her to teach David out of the blue, like in the original with Maggie. It would add to that dysfunctional element of the Collins family. [ghost_cheesy]
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Drugs in a movie equal an "R" rating. It doesn't matter if it pro-drug or anti-drug so this flim will be rated "R".
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Actually, that is not the case anymore. From the MPAA website: "Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating." "Drug abuse" gets an R rating.
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Here is a very interesting blog from Cleveland.com about how all the vampire stories of today owe everything to DS [ghost_smiley]
http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2011/06/from_twilight_to_true_blood_todays_vampire_franchises_owe_everything_to_dark_shadows.html (http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2011/06/from_twilight_to_true_blood_todays_vampire_franchises_owe_everything_to_dark_shadows.html)
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Very nice article, madscntst - thanks for sharing the link. [ghost_smiley] And I see that it's gotten quite a bit of positive attention on Twitter - mostly from DS fans, but also from at least one Twilight fan.
Mark Dawidziak is a DS fan that some fans may be aware of from his appearances at Fests. I don't always agree with his opinions (certainly not when it comes to the '04 pilot), but I do in this instance. [ghost_wink]
(And even though it has nothing to do with the Depp/DS film, and even though it's incomplete (as per usual with these sorts of lists), check out: 10 decades of movie and TV vampires: Bloodsuckers through the years (http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2011/06/10_decads_of_movie_and_tv_vampires_bloodsuckers_through_the_years.html), also posted by Mark today...)
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They're back in London, as per Chloe's brother:
TrevorDMoretz
Back in London, 'ello mates
2 hours ago
And another person has visited the set:
drewmunn
Visited the set for Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" today.
2 hours ago
Don't know why this guy was so lucky, though, because according to his profile he doesn't work in the industry - he's a Web designer and computer programmer. Perhaps he'll be designing the official site for the film - but one would think WB has their own inhouse staff for that...
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Speaking of which, I wonder what the web address for the film will be. www.darkshadows.com is blank now and when you try for a page on the site, it gives you a strange message. I wonder if WB bought the rights.
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to digress to the billing situation for a moment...
how well known is bella heathcote(i'd never heard of her before this project)? is she still new enough and unknown enough to get...
and introducing
Bella Heathcote
as
VICTORIA WINTERS
???
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I was really thinking that would be a possiblity, mscbryk. And I almost included it in my version, but then I did an IMDB search, and she will be introduced in a few films before Dark Shadows. They have yet to come out, but, if her role is big enough in those, I imagine that an "introducing" credit would be too late for our show.
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Speaking of which, I wonder what the web address for the film will be.
With WB movies, more often than not the URL is (movietitle).warnerbros.com - so DS will quite possibly be darkshadows.warnerbros.com.
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Okay, so maybe this isn't about the movie per se, but please forgive me because Johnny is in the movie and Alice Cooper's music is reportedly being featured in the movie. So Johnny is apparently playing tonight with Alice in London! And for me, the only thing better than a pointy-fanged Johnny is a guitar-playing Johnny!
RealAliceCooper Alice Cooper
Johnny Depp!! Waiting to jump on stage with Alice for 18 and Schools Out! http://fb.me/12fFO8XqS
2 hours ago
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So I guess we can presume that Alice Cooper isn't upset his music is being used in the DS film. [ghost_wink]
Thanks for sharing the tweet, madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
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Too bad security is keeping people at a distance now. I suppose that means we won't be getting too many more photos of the set.
Actually here are two more from aston5man: Dark Shadows Film Set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28940296@N05/5874280931/in/photostream)
Interestingly, he believes shooting comes to end at the Collinwood set tomorrow. But somehow I think that might only be for this particular version of the set. One would presume there will be more shooting for the 1772 period of the film...
And I certainly appreciate any and all photos that he's shared, but I wish at least one of these two showed more than the entranceway. Though perhaps he had to sneak them the way he had to sneak the photo of the wall on Friday - in which case I should be thanking him for taking the risk...
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DONE???
it doesn't even look like the set's been completed. [ghost_huh]
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How so, mscbryk? They only need the first story of the house as the rest is CGI.
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Okay, so maybe this isn't about the movie per se, but please forgive me because Johnny is in the movie and Alice Cooper's music is reportedly being featured in the movie. So Johnny is apparently playing tonight with Alice in London!
An article with photos: Johnny Depp joins Alice Cooper on stage at London concert (Photos) (http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Johnny-Depp-joins-Alice-Cooper-on-stage-at-London-concert-Photos/8215787). And it mentions the DS film.
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These two articles are claiming that there is at least a rumor that Alice himself will have a cameo in the film.
http://www.nme.com/news/alice-cooper/57588 (http://www.nme.com/news/alice-cooper/57588)
http://alicecooper.com/latest/alice-cooper/johnny-depp-alice-cooper-stage-100-club-last-night (http://alicecooper.com/latest/alice-cooper/johnny-depp-alice-cooper-stage-100-club-last-night)
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They only need the first story of the house as the rest is CGI.
Even on Gone With the Wind, many sets were finished ala 1939-style "CGI." A documentary showed how they filmed the BBQ at the neighboring Seven Oaks plantation. The scene where the guests arrive in droves and head up onto to the porch and through the front door consisted of only that - a partial porch and a front door. Above and around it was nothing but supporting boards and empty air. However, on the screen viewers saw a magnificent mansion of several stories, added through the special effects wizardry of hand-painted mattes and it all worked flawlessly.
Gerard
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I think it would be a hoot if Alice Cooper had a cameo in the movie. Maybe the character of Buzz could also have a cameo.
G.
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How about Alice Cooper AS Buzz!!!?
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Announced on Facebook: Jonathan Frid is flying to London next week to film his cameo for the film.
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_7812174279&ap=1
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Announced on Facebook: Jonathan Frid is flying to London next week to film his cameo for the film.
AWEsome- since they mentioned that Alice might have a cameo I've been thinking that if he gets one, Frid (not to mention several other DS original cast stars) should also get cameos. I wonder who he will be? (I'm putting my money on "Eagle Hill Cemetery Caretaker"). I'm firewalled from FB here at work but look forward to checking it out when I get home!
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Even on Gone With the Wind, many sets were finished... through the special effects wizardry of hand-painted mattes and it all worked flawlessly.
As on the classic Monster Movies of Universal Studios, namely Dracula.
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Is Summer 2012 Already Becoming Summer 2011? (http://www.hollywood.com/news/Is_Summer_2012_Already_Becoming_Summer_2011/7811929)
We should only be so lucky that the Depp/DS film makes roughly a billion dollars worldwide! [ghost_wink]
And I need to clarify the post about Frid's cameo. The Facebook posting was made last week - so Frid will be doing his cameo this Tuesday, meaning tomorrow.
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Another mention of DS shooting at the Transport Research Laboratory:
Johnny Depp to shoot film at TRL in Crowthorne (http://www.getbracknell.co.uk/news/s/2095099_johnny_depp_to_shoot_film_at_trl_in_crowthorne)
Back when it was mentioned on Twitter, I tried to do some research on Google to figure out why they would shoot there, but I didn't really come up with much - nor could I even find a picture of the place. But I suppose that eventually we'll learn why they're shooting there...
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KatiePennick
At @PinewoodStudios, I just accidentally parked in Jonny Depps parking space. My bad
3 hours ago
KatiePennick
They're filming Dark Shadows here at the moment - some impressive sets up and I nearly got trampled on by a team of stunt men
2 hours ago
Earlier tweets indicate she's working at Pinewood all this week. But who knows who she is or what she's doing...
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KatiePennick
At @PinewoodStudios, I just accidentally parked in Jonny Depps parking space. My bad
For some reason, this just cracked me up. I can just envision it: "Hey, that's my spot!" "Ya snooze, ya lose!"
Anyway, here is another article intimating that Alice will be in the film:
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/06/28/caught-social-%E2%80%98johnny-d%E2%80%99-gets-a-job-offer/ (http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/06/28/caught-social-%E2%80%98johnny-d%E2%80%99-gets-a-job-offer/)
Somewhere I read that Alice, Tim and Johnny were all having dinner together the night before the show, when Alice invited Johnny to play. I can't seem to locate that exact one, but here is a little brief snippet of Alice himself recalling the invitation:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13942350 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13942350)
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URL for large wooden statue in Bourne Woods: www.geograph.org.uk/photo/52891. No mention as to why it was removed in 2007.
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Thanks to chloegmoretz.com, sixteen new photos have just been posted of the completed Collinwood set and surroundings: 'Collinwood' - Widows Hill house receives final touches (http://www.chloegmoretz.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1234:dark-shadows-set-nears-completion)
There actually is another door at the far right of the set. But is that also an abandoned car on the property?! :o
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How so, mscbryk? They only need the first story of the house as the rest is CGI.
perhaps more than the set being incomplete i just assumed that collinwood would be the film's main location so i was surprised to hear that filming there was already done.
it's only been a few weeks. [ghost_huh]
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My guess would be that more scenes take place inside Collinwood than outside.
What's interesting about aston5man's belief that shooting may already be completed on the set in 3 or 4 night shoots is that the person who originally tweeted about shooting beginning there said they had heard shooting was going to last for 11 days. So, who knows? Not that I'm saying the people who have shared info were lying - but obviously what they were told by security and/or the set builders is definitely conflicting...
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Apparently Schultz & Wiremu (the costume and fabric printers, painters, designers, dyer, & distressers) have finished their work on DS:
multidyer
We have now finished on Dark Shadows! Not sad !!we are now moving on to 2 more films but will give you details when defo confirmed 8))
3 hours ago
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Those shots on Chloe's site are really fantastic. I have spotted even more architectural details from Seaview incorporated into this design. Phenomenal!
Thanks, MB!
G.
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Forgive me if this has been covered already, but I'm facebook friends with Lara's daugher Caiti and she said on her page that Lara would be leaving for London next week to film her cameo in the new movie!! So I'm guessing that maybe a few of the other actors will be involved as well?? I can't wait to see it!
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interesting news!
i wasn't aware that any of the original actors other than frid were doing cameos. we haven't heard about casting for mrs. johnson yet...what a coup to get la parker in that part.
i had another thought on the rationale for casting such a young actress in the role of carolyn.
perhaps with green and heathcote on board the producers thought that given the two hour time frame three young woman roles were redundant and having a teenager created some differentiation.
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Rumor has it that other cameos will take place during a masquerade party scene. But who knows...
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Oops - I missed this yesterday:
kr_shhh
Still get nervous every time I'm near our leading actor. Get a grip woman!!
28 Jun
Why do I suspect more than a few people around here might be able to relate to her predicament? [ghost_wink]
And then there's this from today:
TMOR_London
Pinewood Studios currently hosting production of 'Dark Shadows'. Johnny Depp's trailer is almost twice the size of Tim Burton's!
2 minutes ago
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I think the set is looking less and less like Seaview.
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I don't think the Collinwood set is going to be a replica of Seaview Terrace, but it appears to be at least "inspired" by Seaview. I predict that after the cgi upper-floors and tower(s) are added, Collinwood will look like a gloomier, spookier, exaggerated version of Seaview. Burton is probably trying to give a nod to the original house, without reproducing it.
I'm very optimistic about the movie. I'm sort of excited about the alterations in the story -- afterall, how many times have we seen the same story repeated? And, nothing I have read indicates the changes will make it any less "Dark Shadows." The only thing that concerns me is the many times I have read the word "funny" connected to the film. Frankly, that makes my skin crawl. Character-driven humor is fine. But, there shouldn't be anything funny about DS.
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Hmmm - wonder if this is for the masquerade party or some other type of scene:
andywalker25
Just been cast in the new Johnny Depp/Eva Green film- Dark Shadows. Going to be the best damn waiter around #filmingstartstomorrow
9 hours ago
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More random tweets:
Apparently another set visitor (someone named Jason Doyle - and again no clue who he is or why he was at Pinewood):
solsonic
Wow the dark shadows set @ pinewood is a monster.
6 hours ago
(Though there is a Jason Doyle who's an Australian Speedway Rider, so, if it is the same one, perhaps he's in some way connected to supposedly shooting at the Transport Research Laboratory? [ghost_undecided])
Someone speculating, probably based on all the Alice Cooper talk:
moon_tan .
I'm starting to wonder if this new Dark Shadows movie is going to be in the rock n roll vein. @DarkShadowsNews @DarkShadows3
6 hours ago
And finally for now, someone whose profile says: "Growers of Wildflower Meadow Turf and Wildflower Roof Turf. We understand the importance of biodiversity, providing habitats for birds, butterflies and bees."
wildflowerturf James Hewetson-Brown
Wonder which blockbuster our wild turf is being used for this time? Little bird suggests Dark Shadows. Could he be right? Johnny Depp stars!
3 hours ago
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I see DVD "extras" in our future either on the DVD release of this movie AND/OR a new Dark Shadows DVD. Maybe different material on each from the movie set. I hope I hope . .
It's a good time to be a DS fan, that's for sure.
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Nancy, did you happen to be over there this week? If not, I think your email account has been hacked...
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Hi all. I'm reading "Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter". I wanted to see for myself what kind of writer Seth Grahame-Smith is because he wrote the screen play for Dark Shadows. I'm only about 112 pages into it, of 336 pages so I'm not gonna say anything about the story but the writing style reminds me of one of books you'd order from the back of a "Weekly Reader". More like R. L. Stine than Stephen King.
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I guess screenwriter/filmmaker Richard Mingus doesn't realize WB won't be holding any panels ay Comic Con this year:
RichMingus
Wow, Anna Torv AND Karen Gillan at Comic-Con. Just need @ChloeGMoretz and a Dark Shadows panel for the trifecta. Can't wait. #squeeee
1 hour ago
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Tweeted by singer/actress Scarlette Douglas:
scardoug
Ouch my eyes!! Up at 4:45am and now in my private car off to Pinewood to film the new Tim Burton movie, Dark Shadows..! Exciting times!
1 hour ago
But who knows how she's involved with the film...
Also, missed these yesterday:
NickyEssex_
@jojo030574 I doubt it very much!! I have a lot of filming on a Movie called Dark Shadows in July.. Long ol days x
30 Jun
NickyEssex_
Pinewood Studios on set today peeps.. So not many tweets from me!! I'll prob check in at lunch of course ;p.. Hope your all well x
30 Jun
But he didn''t check in again yesterday so he must have very busy on the set. And it must have been a very long day for him because he'd also tweeted that he had to leave for Pinewood at 3am!
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Wonder if this is DS related:
ChloeGMoretz
Biigg day today :)
5 hours ago
It might be if it ties in with this:
kr_shhh
Very exciting day on set today... And the pressure is on, been in since 6.45, am excited to see some cameos!!
2 hours ago
And presumably Scarlette Douglas somehow factors into that as well...
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Two new Collinwood set photos:
The tease:
nevdsouza
Evening stroll through Bourne Woods, Farnham. Caught a glimpse of the sets from Tim Burton's forthcoming #DarkShadows. Photos to come.
And the photos:
nevdsouza
The sets look very Burton-esque, all gothic and ominous. #DarkShadows http://yfrog.com/gz6rbpdj
3 hours ago
Apparently they've been undressing the Collinwood set because all the overgrowth has been removed. Though are they undressing it to take the whole thing down - or are they undressing it in preparation to shoot something that takes place in 1772?
And this one shows where the gate is in relation to the house's facade:
nevdsouza
These gates look really murky too. 'Collinwood' is inscribed on one side. #DarkShadows http://yfrog.com/h2dk2vzj
3 hours ago
And don't know where this person got this release schedule, but thought I'd share it anyway:
its_lalae
#DarkShadows is supposed to come out: Netherlands 10 May 2012, Spain 11 May 2012, USA 11 May 2012, Germany 17 May 2012
9 hours ago
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Look at that huge "C" in the second photo. Looks like something the Collins family would do. [ghost_tongue2]
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I'm hoping the house looks better on film with the CGI added to it.
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From Alice's Facebook page, posted yesterday afternoon/evening:
Alice Cooper
Hung out on the set of Dark Shadows today... Killer cast and crew, felt like family. You sickos are going to love this movie!
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Alice Cooper
Hung out on the set of Dark Shadows today...
And considering that yesterday it would certainly seem as if during at least part of the day they were shooting the masquerade party, he may indeed have a cameo. Though who knows what will make it into the film and what will end up on the cutting room floor? Back in '70, more shooting time was devoted to the hoDS costume party than any other part of the film (almost an entire three day period) yet barely any of it made it into the film. Though at least these days deleted scenes are very often included as extras...
You sickos are going to love this movie!
Let's hope all of these people who are posting great comments on Twitter and Facebook are right. [ghost_wink]
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I'm hoping the house looks better on film with the CGI added to it.
I love the look of the Collinwood exterior set. It's very dark and Gothic, which is what I was hoping for...
Though after seeing it fully dressed for the present time, I'm really beginning to wonder if the people who thought that perhaps the house wouldn't be inhabited in 1972 weren't right. I mean, would the Collinses actually be living there with all that overgrowth? And worse yet, an abandoned car on the front lawn?! But I suppose time will tell...
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I too think Collinwood looks fantastic. I'm really interested in what the final product looks like. I think it's going to have a very familiar central tower. What form it takes is what interests me, though.
As for people living in the house, I believe that it is definitely inhabited. With the car being outside of the side door, I'm thinking it belongs to Willie Loomis. He would park his car there. Now, whether the house is inhabited by the Collins family or by Barnabas Collins is the question. But, I'm thinking it's the Collinses and they just aren't keeping up with the Joneses in terms of home care.
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I think it's going to have a very familiar central tower. What form it takes is what interests me, though.
Given the Gothic nature of the architecture of the set, there are really three ways the tower could be capped off: a battlement, a conical roof, or both. It's definitely going to be interesting to see which they pick...
But, I'm thinking it's the Collinses and they just aren't keeping up with the Joneses in terms of home care.
If they're living in a house in the sort of condition we've seen in the photos of the dressed set, saying they're not keeping the property up is beyond an understatement!! [ghost_cheesy]
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When I saw this Google Alert a few minutes ago, I thought that because it says "first imagery," just perhaps we were going to see the first pictures of the interiour set of Collinwood:
Dark Shadows: Behind-the-Scenes at Collinwood Manor
DreadCentral.com
Courtesy of Fan Pop, below you'll find the first imagery of the lofty and spooky estate being constructed for Tim Burton's big screen adaptation of the classic television series "Dark Shadows". The ensemble cast includes Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer, ...
But no. It's only a few of the exterior set photos that we're all all-too-familiar with after having seen them over the past few weeks. So who knows why Dread Central seems to think they're "the first imagery of the lofty and spooky estate"? [ghost_rolleyes]
Oh, well. But one day...
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I saw a tweet earlier that said that Alice Cooper was on a program called ChatShow in England and said he is doing a cameo in DS - but the tweeter said he couldn't tell if Cooper was serious or kidding (so I didn't post it - and now I can't find it again). However, other tweets, like the following one, are coming out and confirming the story:
bwp_architects
Alice Cooper interview on Lee Mack - filming Dark Shadows with Johnny Depp; fancy bumping into him in Bourne Woods in the dark? #Farnham
6 hours ago
And apparently another comment Cooper made on the show:
FlumblesMum
Loved Alice Cooper describing Dark Shadows as Coronation Street with vampires!
6 hours ago
So, because the interview was done a few days before it was run, it's looking like Cooper really did do a cameo in the film on Friday as we suspected he might have.
Changing reels, other sites (shocktilyoudrop.com, geektyrant.com, wegotthiscovered.com, ...) are jumping on the bandwagon with the same set of photos. But at least they seem to have the good sense not to claim the photos are the "first" anything.
And it's interesting to read the comments that are being posted because the set would seem to be an overwhelming hit with people...
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Given the Gothic nature of the architecture of the set, there are really three ways the tower could be capped off: a battlement, a conical roof, or both. It's definitely going to be interesting to see which they pick...
Looks like we are on the same page. And, I am kind of leaning in the "both" direction at the moment...
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I just took that remark as being the first photos from the film, which they pretty much are, not that they were the first to have them. Your mileage may vary...
I don't know if any here have seen the TV movie Grey Gardens, with Drew Barrymore and Jessica Lange, but I'm getting that same kind of vibe here, that they are recluses living in a house that has become more and more decrepit due to lack of upkeep. I'm kind of sad thinking about it, actually [ghost_sad]
Cathy
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I just took that remark as being the first photos from the film, which they pretty much are
Well, yeah - in that sense it's true - especially considering that there hasn't been anything else from the film. Not that I'm bitter that there have been actual photos of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter online - and actual footage of the shooting of The Dark Knight Rises on YouTube. No, not bitter at all. ... [ghost_wink]
I don't know if any here have seen the TV movie Grey Gardens, with Drew Barrymore and Jessica Lange, but I'm getting that same kind of vibe here, that they are recluses living in a house that has become more and more decrepit due to lack of upkeep. I'm kind of sad thinking about it, actually [ghost_sad]
I have seen it. And if the Collinses are going to be like the Bouvier Beales, that will be depressing - though perhaps a valid choice and one I obviously hadn't thought of. ... Actually, now that I think about it, the choice could be quite intriguing. We shall see...
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I adore the house and the spooky grounds. I think it has such a creepy feel to it. I hope the graveyard is in these woods as well!! With lighting and CGI I think it's going to be amazing. Maybe they will fashion some towers after Seaview? Regardless, I love the new take on Collinwood. I love the unkempt look of the vines etc. As Nancy said, it's a great time to be a DS fan. When I talk about it I am grinning from ear to ear! Can't wait till May!! YIPEE!!
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Sorry for the double post. I am a bit exuberant! Perhaps when we see the[spoiler]flashbacks to 1772 Collinwood[/spoiler]the house will be in an immaculate state and cleaned up by the crew?
It's been amazing seeing all the news post about Johnny buying the rights in 2007 till now! Sometimes we lost faith but most of the time we all held fast to the dream about the dark haired girl on the train going to Maine and of course Barnabas was there looking for a juicy vein! I am feeling silly, don't mind me!
It's been amazing watching it all come to fruition.... [ghost_wink]
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Apparently he's shooting again:
NickyEssex_
@Rach_RVX yeah, Pinewood Studios tomorrow on new Jonny Depp movie 'Dark Shadows' .. Early start!! X
11 hours ago
For someone who's only supposed to be an extra in the film, he's shooting an awful lot. Either he appears in some amazingly complicated scenes to shoot - or they're dressing up the same extras in different outfits and using them over and over again! [ghost_cheesy]
Also, for the past two days the recent articles about the Collinwood set photos have to be the most tweeted about DS topic because I'd say at least 7 out of every 10 DS-related tweets point to one of the Web sites (from all over the world now) featuring the four under construction photos. Some of the tweets along with some of the Web sites are claiming they're the first photos of the set (as opposed to the first photos from the film) - but still, it's great to see so much interest on Twitter as well as on so many Web sites...
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I'm not at all happy with the house, with Alice or his music or pot being in the movie. That just my opinion, I still plan to see it and I've not said that it isn't going to be a great movie, I hope it will be.
That said it seems that if anyone points out something that they heard about the movie that they don't like some fans says they are "bashing the movie without have seen it". Fact is saying this movie is good or bad without having seen it is equally wrong. It could be the best or the worst movie every made or something in between. None of us will know until it's released and we've seen it. I haven't seen that happen here yet and I hope I don't.
The movie sounds like a cross between "Blacula" ( Prince Mamuwalde is cursed by Dracula and locked in his coffin, then his wife is closed up in a secret room with his coffin until the Prince is released ) and "Dracula A.D. 1972" where a ritual is used to bring Dracula back this time to walk the streets of a psychedelic era London. They both take place in 1972, Alice Cooper and pot would fit into both movies. I would guess that both films were inspired by Dark Shadows and they're both classics, but we don't need to see either re-made as a Dark Shadows movie.
I hope the new movie reminds me only of Dark Shadows.
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I guess I don't care if Alice plays a part in the movie as long as he does a good job, I don't care who's in it so long as they play their part well. I just don't want the movie to have a "Rock -N -Roll" soundtrack.
Getting ready to watch "Blacula" and "Dracula A.D. 1972".
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while i can certainly understand your reservations about the film...i think we all have them to some extent...i must say that your relentless negativity about the project is really bringing the tone of the board down.
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I can only comment on what is being said about the film. If I come across as being negative then so be it but I'm not going to lie and say that I'm for something or that I like something when I don't. If the "masters" of this board only want "yes" people here I will leave. They need to just tell me that.
I have always said that I want this to be a great film and I still do. I will not support a film call "Dark Shadows" if I wouldn't know it to be based on it if the title was different. More over I think this movie should be close enough to the original that we would get pissed off if it were released with a different title. I want it to be fresh but I don't really want a Groovy 70's vampire movie. I want a great Dark Shadows movie that fans of can go watch the original and enjoy the original as much as we do, not wonder how they got one from the other.
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Interesting tweet from Phirm FX Garage (which is apparently a small family run business that mostly offers car accident repairs and body repair services):
kayleaphirmfx
Morning #Farnham can finally reveal that we have been working on 2 car for the new Johnny Depp / Burton film #Dark Shadows. www.phirmfx.com
5 hours ago
BODYMagUK
@kayleaphirmfx Any pics?
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kayleaphirmfx
@BODYMagUK Unfortuntely not untill film is out may next year!! wouldnt want to ruin the surprise #darkshadows #farnham www.phirmfx.com
3 hours ago
It would seem like they've spruced up some old cars for the film. And at this point I would have even settled for photos of cars as the first official photos from the film. But it's not to be... Though it would be a hoot if that car that was on the Collinwood set was one of them. [ghost_wink]
(And speaking of "official" photos, one new Web site post about the Collinwood set seems to have the impression that the four photos that are currently circulating all over the Web are "official" photos. Don't know where they got that impression because mostly all the other sites are clearly saying they're photos taken by fans. But, of course, we know how often times things get embellished as they pass down the line. Apparently now it's not just saying the photos are the "first" images of the set... [ghost_huh])
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Though it would be a hoot if that car that was on the Collinwood set was one of them. [ghost_wink]
Aren't there 2 abandoned cars on the Collinwood set?
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I don't mind your comments, borgosi. I myself have reservations about the project, but have been surprised at how many elements that actually tickle me (in a GOOD way) have come to light about it. It is a 2011 Tim Burton/Johnny Depp feature film with more money undoubtedly set to be spent on it than was ever budgeted in all five years of the original series--and then some. So, we know going in that it is going to be a very different animal from the Sixties series we all adore. I personally think including Alice Cooper is kind of a stylish way of commenting upon the media image of the series back in the day--which had a weird disconnect, if you think about it, from how the shows actually played. The media image in the Sixties was all about fangs, trippy Gothique scenes, groovy ghoulies, monster rallies. The actual shows were much more about the chemistry of the actors together and the scripts that were sometimes incredible literate and layered, especially when compared with other 1960s daytime dramas. So, Alice Cooper in the Blue Whale with scenesters rolling joints kind of comments on that element of the DS success story. Do you know what I mean?
I'm actually rather fond of Dracula A.D. '72. A funny fact about that movie is that the rock band in one of the early party sequences was actually a US midwestern born-again Christian rock band that someone at Hammer found--I guess they were touring in the UK. There is a whole big article on them, and other aspects of the movie, in an issue of Little Shoppe of Horrors from a few years ago--check out the Little Shoppe website for info.
G.
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Aren't there 2 abandoned cars on the Collinwood set?
I honestly only noticed the orange one with its hood up. I'll have to go back and look...
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You're right - there's a yellow one, too. I don't know how I missed that because if it had been any more prominent in the photo, it would have reached out and smacked me in the face!! [ghost_cheesy]
Hmmm - orange and yellow - if those two colors don't scream '70s, nothing does! [ghost_wink] [ghost_rolleyes]
So, I wonder if those are the two cars she was tweeting about this morning? If so, obviously she isn't aware that photos of them have already shown up online...
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Oops - I missed this new photo yesterday (I probably didn't pay enough attention and thought it was a link to those same four older photos [ghost_embarrassed]):
LouLuBabe Louise Fitz
Dark Shadows film set...still waiting on Johnny Depp. This is Collinwood Manor. #DarkShadows http://yfrog.com/h4bz7nej
3 Jul
So, apparently they haven't started to pull down the set, so perhaps it's looking better that they'll be shooting something for 1772 at some point...
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while i can certainly understand your reservations about the film...i think we all have them to some extent...i must say that your relentless negativity about the project is really bringing the tone of the board down.
Well said, I see the samething on Facebook. It seems that every update or post I share on the Central Florida DS Fan Club group it gets blasted by naysayers.
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On FB it is almost routine to find posts urging people to boycott a movie no one has seen and isn't anywhere near finished, condemning in amazingly harsh language anyone who doesn't agree that no one in all time can ever play Barnabas Collins but Jonathan Frid (although by my count four other actors have), etc.
You know, I think it bears repeating--No One Has Seen This Movie. It isn't even finished yet! Can't we wait to praise or condemn until after the movie has been finished? Is that really even remotely unreasonable? Haven't every single one of us been pleasantly (and unpleasantly) surprised by a movie?
It would be one thing if the director were some schlockmeister responsible for Bloodrayne or maybe My Mother Has A Gun or Santa Claus Conquers the Martians. But these are the same folks who made Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd--they've earned enough credit to have us wait and see what emerges.
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Hey MB -- just wanted to tell you how much I'm enjoying all your updates with the tweets and pics of the house and everything. Love the look of the house, BTW -- can't wait to see what it looks like with all the cgi in place! And love the countdown you're doing! Thanks for all your hard work! [ghost_smiley]
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On FB it is almost routine to find posts urging people to boycott a movie no one has seen and isn't anywhere near finished, condemning in amazingly harsh language anyone who doesn't agree that no one in all time can ever play Barnabas Collins but Jonathan Frid (although by my count four other actors have), etc.
I don't understand this kind of thinking either, but, to each her own. I suppose since so much of my life has been involved in the theater it's nothing to see a new play and with actors originating roles, it be a big hit, and then see a new cast or actor in the famous roles later. I've certainly had preferences or actors whose interpretation I liked better but I am willing to see another take on a famous character. Ironically enough, Jonathan Frid - the one who created the original Barnabas - is quite receptive to any interpretation by another actor. He and other DS actors have been open and receptive to other versions of DS. That said, it doesn't mean everyone should love the next interpretation but at least wait until you've seen the darn thing before complaining! Sheesh!
The whole notion of boycotting an unseen (and unfinished) movie is pretty silly. You have to wonder if someone is that close-minded over a movie (which in the scheme of things is unimportant) how are they about the really crucial day to day life issues? That's scarier than any vampire movie!
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We are only seeing little bits and pieces of the production progress and commenting as we go. Keeping an open mind is infinitely different than stating I won't go see the movie because it's not starring Jonathan Frid as Barnabas, Lara Parker as Angelique, etc. As we don't know what the final product will look like, we can't comment except for the little bit we find out here and there. The "I won't go" mindset is one thing, and the "I wonder what it will turn out to be" is another. The "I won't go" contingent may as well just stop reading updates about the movie and let the rest of us who are excited and optimistic have fun. If we are disappointed in the end product, so what? It's not the end of DS fandom, let alone the world.
For those who are relentlessly negative about it, I do wonder why they waste their time being negative. If their mind is made up, why keep at it?
Nancy
That said it seems that if anyone points out something that they heard about the movie that they don't like some fans says they are "bashing the movie without have seen it". Fact is saying this movie is good or bad without having seen it is equally wrong.
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I suppose since so much of my life has been involved in the theater it's nothing to see a new play and with actors originating roles, it be a big hit, and then see a new cast or actor in the famous roles later. I've certainly had preferences or actors whose interpretation I liked better but I am willing to see another take on a famous character.
I suspect that back in Shakespeare's time there were people who refused to accept that anyone other than Richard Burbage (who originated the role) could play Hamlet. [ghost_wink] But, of course, the truth is that hundreds of actors have - and some not only successfully but quite celebratedly (just in the past century alone there have been John Barrymore, John Gielgud, Laurence Olivier, Maurice Evans, Richard Burton, and Ralph Fiennes (who won a Tony Award for his portrayal back in '95) who all fall into those categories). Half the fun or seeing any great story redone is to see how the actors will interpret the roles and potentially make them their own.
Ironically enough, Jonathan Frid - the one who created the original Barnabas - is quite receptive to any interpretation by another actor.
Which isn't surprising because Frid is a talented actor who completely understands the acting process and respects it in other actors.
That said, it doesn't mean everyone should love the next interpretation but at least wait until you've seen the darn thing before complaining! Sheesh!
Exactly.
The whole notion of boycotting an unseen (and unfinished) movie is pretty silly. You have to wonder if someone is that close-minded over a movie (which in the scheme of things is unimportant) how are they about the really crucial day to day life issues? That's scarier than any vampire movie!
True. [ghost_sad]
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Hey MB -- just wanted to tell you how much I'm enjoying all your updates with the tweets and pics of the house and everything.
And I'm enjoying sharing them just as much. [ghost_smiley]
Twitter's having a few hiccups this morning so I haven't been able to check out all the latest DS tweets yet. But yesterday was absolutely insane when it came to the amounts of tweets about the show. I'm not exaggerating when I say that every 2 to 3 minutes there was a new tweet - and a good half of them weren't in English, so it was literally a global explosion of interest in the Depp/DS film, the '91 Series, house/Night of Dark Shadows, and the original show - but mostly the Collinwood set photos.
Love the look of the house, BTW -- can't wait to see what it looks like with all the cgi in place!
You and me both! [ghost_wink]
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And speaking of global interest in the Depp/DS film -
(and this:the Depp/DS film will be released in Australia on May 10, almost two days (with the time difference) before it's released in the US
#DarkShadows is supposed to come out: Netherlands 10 May 2012, Spain 11 May 2012, USA 11 May 2012, Germany 17 May 2012
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- here's an interesting article that not only goes into how/why films that may not do as well as hoped in the US can still become major hits when overseas grosses are factored in, but why it's becoming much more common for films to be released around the world within a few days: Hollywood cashes in on new world order (http://www.tampabay.com/features/movies/article1176534.ece)
And this article uses Depp's choice to do DS as an example of how he hasn't lost his edge and his willingness to play eclectic and versatile roles: Has Johnny Depp Lost His Edge—Or Totally Not? (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/ask_the_answer_bitch/b250215_has_johnny_depp_lost_his_edgemdashor.html)
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Just finished reading "Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter", the only complete novel by Seth Grahame-Smith, screenwriter for Dark Shadows.
Here's a quote from the acknowledgments. "And finally, to Abe - for living a life that hardly needed vampires to make it incredible..." So why write the book?
Truth is the story is pretty good. I could even see changing the central point of the story to someone like Bill Compton and using it as his back story on True Blood. It has some really good ideas in it, I just think it needs to be fleshed out a bit and changing the focal point would allow it to have susprises in it. I was susprised by nothing in it. But how can you be if you know your history. If Lincoln is fighting a vampire before 1860 you should know who's gonna win. The book is well researched, that gives me hope that the Dark Shadows movie will be as well.
His writing style I don't care for. It's like a R. L. Stine story with extra gore. I felt like I was reading something written for 5th graders.
We can only hope that the movie doesn't feel that way. Movies are a group effort and I sure the style of it won't be limited to he writing style of Grahame-Smith.
In an earlier post I compared what we have heard about the story to Blacula and Dracula A.D. 1972. I want to make it clear that I like both of those movies. I have both Blacula movies and every Hammer vampire film that I can get on DVD. I'm hoping for a new take on DS but I want it to remind me of DS, not some other movie or movies.
I don't care who plays whom in this movie as long as it's a great story and the actors play their parts as best as they can be played.
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Thanks for that book report. Maybe they hired a separate writer for the dialogue? I think as you say they often have multiple writers working on these things nowadays.
I find the whole current "Jane Austen with zombies" or "Abe Lincoln with vampires" trend profoundly uninteresting--I'm just hoping that by the time the DS movie is released, having any vampires on board isn't going to mean the instant kiss of death for the feature.
And nowadays a movie's opening weekend take completely makes or breaks it financially... it's kind of uncanny how the sleeper seems to be from the era "when dinosaurs walked the earth."
G.
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I'm with you. Why should people be allowed to screw with the classics? Nobody cares until it's their favorite book.
And why should people be allowed to make cartoon superheros out of histories greatest?
I think it's all about titles that pop. If a half-assed writer put out a book called "Jay and Silent Bob Meet George Washington" it's going to sell, good or bad people will buy it just because of the title.
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Having some free time this evening, I've taken the time to start reading different reports that have been released about filming on the new DS movie. Undoubtedly many of the folks on this message board have already read these and are in the know.
From what I'm reading, the movie seems interesting but there are a few things that I'm not quite excited about. First of all, I read on the DS Journal website that Helena Bonham Carter did an interview where she described Julia Hoffman as "the alcoholic psychiatrist". Julia was pretty much crazy enough as it was so why is there the need to mix in alcohol? Is the added dysfunction going to really add anything to the story when she already has a severe dysfunction in falling in love with Barnabas?
I'm not sure how I feel about Barnabas being portrayed as the ladies man who was master of Collinwood. The way it was worded in the Warner Brothers press release was a bit off putting, but I suppose ultimately it serves the overall story because it makes Angelique more justified in cursing Barnabas for betraying her.
I love Michelle Pfeiffer, so her casting as Liz Stoddard is something I'm sure I'll enjoy. And Chloe Moretz as Carolyn is also a great choice.
While there may be a number of things I'm not particularly happy about, I'm still excited to see the movie and judge how all the aspects come together as a whole. The Warner Brothers press release says that John August and Seth Grahame-Smith plotted the story together, while the latter actually wrote the script. I've never read anything buy him so I don't know if this is a good or a bad thing. Ultimately I'm sure that if there were something in the script that wasn't working at all during the shooting process that it would be changed. Often, when a movie is in production, the script serves more as an outline for many directors and actors and the final film dialogue/actions sometimes display huge differences from the script. I have faith that Burton and Depp would strike out something that was completely wrong in the moment.
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The whole notion of boycotting an unseen (and unfinished) movie is pretty silly. You have to wonder if someone is that close-minded over a movie (which in the scheme of things is unimportant) how are they about the really crucial day to day life issues? That's scarier than any vampire movie!
Oh Nancy you put into words what I have been feeling. To Quote Wm Shatner "Get a Life" folks
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Another question answered:
EurocanLtd
We are in the movies! Supplying equipment for fish cannery set at Pinewood Studios for new Tim Burton film Dark Shadows starring Johnny Depp
3 hours ago
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And another visitor to Pinewood tweets about DS:
jjlevene
Oh wow. Have just walked about Tim Burton's Dark Shadows set. Unreal
2 hours ago
Though at least this guy is in the industry because his Twitter profile says he's a "short film-maker, editor."
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It seems like there is a lot of trending interest for this movie on Twitter. Hopefully Warner Brothers takes advantage of the ready-made fan base that's already built in, and the fact that people are already talking about it to drum up support for the movie early and ride the wave all the way until the movie is released.
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At the end of this article the writer indicates that there is a casting call for a "young Quentin". I don't remember seeing this before but I may have missed it.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/first-look-new-johnny-depp-movie-dark-shadows
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It seems like there is a lot of trending interest for this movie on Twitter. Hopefully Warner Brothers takes advantage of the ready-made fan base that's already built in, and the fact that people are already talking about it to drum up support for the movie early and ride the wave all the way until the movie is released.
One would certainly hope that Warner Brothers does. There were definitely more tweets than usual the other day when there was so much action over the Collinwood set photos, but every hour of every day there seems to be several tweets about some incarnation of DS, including the audio dramas. Before I began to keep up with them because of the Depp/DS film I had no idea DS was so popular on Twitter. And the good thing is that Warner Brothers itself is also active on Twitter, so there's certainly a possibility that they're aware of how often the topic of DS comes up.
Changing reels, three other things:
Last week I was in Borders and noticed they were having a great sale on older Blu-rays (only $8.66), so one that I picked up was Johnny Depp's Secret Window. I finished watching it last night and one of the interesting things director David Koepp had to say was that, because Columbia was all too aware of Depp's huge teenage fanbase, he was contractually obligated by Columbia to make a PG-13 film (though he would have preferred to have been able to make an R film). I wonder if there's any such obligation between Burton and Warner Brothers or if Burton has been given free rein to make DS as bloody/gory/violent as he wants? Though in a way I almost hope DS does turn out to be PG-13, if just for the fact that PG-13 films tend to make more money. [ghost_wink] And I could be wrong, but I don't think Depp has made many R rated films. (Certainly From Hell comes to mind - but that was hardly a movie that was made for teenagers.) But madscntst would be much more knowledgeable on that subject than I am. [ghost_smiley]
And I keep forgetting to mention that thanks to all the publicity over Alice Cooper's cameo and the Collinwood set photos, DS has climbed up from its recent low of 782 to 692 on IMDb's MOVIEmeter. Also on IMDb, I see where Alice Cooper has been added to the cast list - though in true IMDb tradition, he's listed as "rumored" even though his participation in the film has already been confirmed. [ghost_rolleyes]
And finally, though not that it's a big thing, but in the current Harry Potter-centric issue of Entertainment Weekly, DS is listed as Helena Bonham Carter's next film in the magazine's What's Next For Potter's Supporting Players section.
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At the end of this article the writer indicates that there is a casting call for a "young Quentin".
Actually, the article says 'there is a cast listing for a “young Quentin”'. [ghost_smiley]
I saw that article a couple days ago, but I dismissed that bit because I figured the writer was probably referring to the listing that has been on Facebook and Wiki (and even a few other sites) which would have appeared to be someone's idea of a joke because the person listed as playing Quentin, rather than being an actor, appears to be a big Internet jokster. But who knows? Having Quentin in this film would seem like biting off more than they can chew in an initial DS film that should only run 2 hours or so. But perhaps the film is far more ambitious and will run much longer than we're expecting - or perhaps Quentin will somehow simply make a brief appearance at the end as a cliffhanger...
At any rate, thanks for posting about it because for all we know it may turn out to be real. [ghost_wink]
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Is there a difference between a cast listing and a cast call? Just curious.
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A casting call in a notice that there's a role available. A cast listing is generally a list of the actors who have already been cast in a project. [ghost_smiley] Like what's on IMDb.
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I think the writer of that article should reference where he obtained that information of a cast listing for a young Quentin. I'll be sure to quote stuff next time not to be spanked again.
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I finished watching it last night and one of the interesting things director David Koepp had to say was that, because Columbia was all too aware of Depp's huge teenage fanbase, he was contractually obligated by Columbia to make a PG-13 film (though he would have preferred to have been able to make an R film). I wonder if there's any such obligation between Burton and Warner Brothers or if Burton has been given free rein to make DS as bloody/gory/violent as he wants? Though in a way I almost hope DS does turn out to be PG-13, if just for the fact that PG-13 films tend to make more money. [ghost_wink] And I could be wrong, but I don't think Depp has made many R rated films. (Certainly From Hell comes to mind - but that was hardly a movie that was made for teenagers.) But madscntst would be much more knowledgeable on that subject than I am. [ghost_smiley]
My ears must've been burning, because I just checked the forum before lunch, but had another minute free and just checked again, and saw several new posts [ghost_smiley]
Koepp's remark is interesting, and I had completely forgotten he said that (I'm sure I must've heard it because I do have the Secret Window DVD and remember watching the commentaries and extras). Anyway, the DS rating is one of the things I'm most intrigued to find out. I can really see it going either way (PG-13 or R; let's assume that PG is out of the realm of possibilities). As you say, MB, PG-13 films tend to make more money, especially if they are targeted toward a young/teen audience. However, for DS, I'm not sure of this. Part of me wants the DS audience to be something other than the Twilight demographic, but another part of me wishes they could see it just so that they can see a real vampire film in comparison [ghost_wink] And in general, I'd like for more people to be able to see it, and not everyone likes films that have a lot of graphic content.
But another part of me would like for them not to worry about what they have to do to keep the rating to PG-13- I'd rather let them have the leeway they want to make the film they want, regardless of the rating. As an example, Tim Burton said early on in the Sweeney Todd production that he was very much aiming for an R rating, and promised that there wouldn't be any skimping on the blood. And there wasn't! I remember seeing one review of the film that was titled "There Will Be Blood" and the subtitle said something like "and we're not talking about the Daniel Day-Lewis film!" But I think that they approached Sweeney Todd from the beginning as a film that was never going to have universal appeal- it is a musical about a serial killer and cannibalism, and it was always going to be a bit of a hard sell! They might well want DS to appeal to a wider audience. Anyway, I don't have any doubt that Tim and/or Johnny would be okay with making DS an R rated film, but the question is, is that the film that they *do* want to make?
In answer to your other question, Johnny has made many R rated films. The Libertine was one that people thought/feared might even get the dreaded NC-17 rating, and while in the end it really doesn't seem NC-17-ish to me, it's still a pretty hard R. Besides Sweeney Todd and From Hell, Blow, Once Upon A Time In Mexico, The Ninth Gate, Sleepy Hollow, Public Enemies and maybe even Ed Wood come to mind as rated R, and I'm pretty sure The Rum Diary will be R (I'm not sure if it's gotten its rating yet).
Cathy
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Sleepy Hollow was R? I don't remember that. But then I guess it would be with all those graphic decapitations. [ghost_wink]
And considering that SH is often cited as a film DS may be like, well...
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I think the writer of that article should reference where he obtained that information of a cast listing for a young Quentin.
Writers should. But sadly, most don't. [ghost_rolleyes]
I'll be sure to quote stuff next time not to be spanked again.
Well, it's certainly not your fault when writers take things for granted, or when they assume everything they read on the Internet is accurate, or worse still, when they print their own assumptions as facts. I still can't over how many of the writers of the Collinwood set photos articles think those photos were officially released by Warner Brothers! [ghost_shocked] [ghost_huh] And the sad thing is that anyone who only sees those articles will accept that as fact. [ghost_sad] (And what's worst is that the Web site that's being credited for the photos by many of the other writers was actually created by someone who stole the photos from the fans who actually took/posted them and then simply made a FanPop site with them! But that's a whole other issue - and talk about giving credit where credit isn't due!)
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Sleepy Hollow was R? I don't remember that. But then I guess it would be with all those graphic decapitations. [ghost_wink]
Yep. "Rated R for graphic horror violence and gore, and for a scene of sexuality" Hmm, I'm trying to remember what the scene of sexuality is, as Johnny's character is rather meek in that regard in this particular film [ghost_wink] I think I remember but I've got to see this one again soon; it's been awhile!
I was thinking of several other movies of Johnny's, which *did* include scenes of sexuality, that add to his pile of R movies: The Astronaut's Wife, The Man Who Cried, Before Night Falls, Donnie Brasco, and also Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas (more for the language) and Dead Man (more for the language and violence). A couple of his films don't show the MPAA rating on IMDb- Private Resort and Arizona Dream- but I have my suspicions... But don't worry, Johnny has also made PG and PG-13 films, too, so I don't want y'all to think he's *that* amoral [ghost_wink]
Cathy
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"Rated R for graphic horror violence and gore, and for a scene of sexuality" Hmm, I'm trying to remember what the scene of sexuality is, as Johnny's character is rather meek in that regard in this particular film [ghost_wink] I think I remember but I've got to see this one again soon; it's been awhile!
I just watched it again in March and I don't remember. Obviously it didn't make much of an impact on me. [ghost_wink]
I don't want y'all to think he's *that* amoral [ghost_wink]
Amorality might actually attract more fans to him than it pushes away. [ghost_grin] But can you tell I haven't seen many of Depp's films. I had no idea he'd made so many R rated ones. I definitely need to check more of them out. [ghost_cheesy] (I own The Libertine and Sweeny Todd, but I haven't watched either of them because I'm still waiting for friends to be available who want to watch them when I do...)
Changing the subject, just caught this on Twitter:
kr_shhh
I JUST MET JOHNNY DEPP!!!!!
kr_shhh
SCREAM!!!
Strangely there's no timeframe on Twitter at the moment - but it happened sometime today. Lucky her. [ghost_wink]
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(I own The Libertine and Sweeny Todd, but I haven't watched either of them because I'm still waiting for friends to be available who want to watch them when I do...)
If you can deal with the gore as well as the music (which are not often found together in one movie at the same time!) then I really recommend Sweeney Todd- it is probably my favorite of Johnny's movies of the past 5-8 years. But not a lot of people who like musicals like horror, or vice versa. I just happen to like both! As for The Libertine, the acting is astonishing, but be prepared for a noble effort that doesn't really quite succeed. Oh, that reminds me of something I was going to say earlier regarding Alice Cooper. It might be that he's being listed as "rumored" for now, despite Alice himself confirming the role, just to be cautious. Rocker Shane MacGowan filmed a part for The Libertine and was going around telling everyone he was going to be in the film, and then the poor guy ended up on the cutting room floor. (You can see a couple of brief shots of Shane on set on the Libertine DVD extras, but he didn't make the film). Not to say that this will happen with Alice, but I'm just saying it's possible they're just waiting for more confirmation.
Cathy
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very interesting that the cannery of all things has made it into the film. there certainly is alot of "atmosphere" being created for a two hour film.
i would have thought given the plot outline that most of the action was taking place on the collins estate. but with that 1940's shipwrecked boat, and all the talk of how major the collinsport set is, and now the cannery. that's alot of locations. modern locations i might add meaning they were created just for the 1972 period of the film.
i wonder what's being set up for 1752/72?
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Another person about to start working on the film:
pablo38 Paul Anthony Davis
Im very new to this....... So..help me out.. Im about to start filming on dark Shadows with Johnny Depp!
4 hours ago
I checked his credits, and in the past he has worked as a Personal Assistant or Production Assistant, but his Twitter profile says he is an actor. So, it'll be interesting to see if he's working behind or before the camera. Though his tweet would make it seem as if he'll be acting...
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I'm thinking that the DS movie will probably be PG-13 just because of the reasons already listed. But, DS has always felt very adult to me in that most of the characters are mature adults and not children. (Although I guess Barnabas was supposed to be in his 20s in the original). So my question is, with Twilight being such a phenomenon and vampire movies and tv shows popping up left and right that are being obviously marketed to teenagers, how would one market DS to this young adult/teenage group? I'm not going to generalize and say that young people don't/can't enjoy dramatic older fare, but those who do are definitely the exception to the rule.
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Interesting question Brandon. Personally, since I am of the generation that loved (ie., was around during) the original series, I have no need for the film to reach the teen audience [ghost_wink] But I realize that the film industry *is* a business, and getting a certain amount of box office return is always going to be a consideration, and teens like to go to the movies! I think that the casting of Chloe Moretz and Thomas McDonell would be a draw for teens, but I wonder how else they could interest that generation in this film? Hopefully not by trying to mimic Twilight, but I have some faith that Johnny/Tim/Infinitum Nihil/GKFilms wouldn't resort to that.
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Another person checking out the Collinwood set:
HanaS_Smith
Checking out the set of Dark Shadows. Looks great, but I'm mostly just excited that they're planting trees! Finally.
2 hours ago
Unfortunately, she didn't provide any photos - but if they're planting trees, that must mean that they'll be shooting more scenes there.
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Some old photos of the Collinwood set that we apparently missed, but thanks to a Chloe Moretz Web site from France I discovered today. There isn't much that we haven't already seen - but completists will definitely want to check them out: alternativepath's photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52905332@N04/)
(1 photo dated May 28th, 1 photo dated June 5th, 3 photos dated June 23rd.)
And I saw this photo yesterday, but the person whose site I saw it on said they didn't think is was from the Depp/DS film because of the clothes Chloe Moretz is wearing (though I honestly thought to myself that every girl I knew in 1972 had a similar outfit - and then there's her flashing the peace sign). So, I decided not to share it. However, today I've seen several different Web sites and tweets claiming it IS Chloe Moretz dressed in one of her Carolyn outfits. Who knows? But I'm going to share it now just in case: Off Script (http://richmingus.tumblr.com/post/7355532788/carolyn-stoddard). Time will tell...
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the outfit is very 1972 to me...
the peter pan collar. the polyester petrol blue. i'll bet not a natural fiber in sight. i'll bet the bottom half is a short "jumper" worn with knee socks. shades of marcia brady. a soupcon of hallie stokes.
funny but when we first heard about a fourteen year old carolyn i was a bit nonplussed. now i'm quite excited for this characterization. something about the character description(a "rebellious teenager")combined with this ensemble is evocative of the spoiled and petulant veruca salt from the original "charlie and the chocolate factory" film. could be fun. moretz certainly seems to be enjoying her time on the set.
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Thanks for the photo MB. Hopefully more will come soon.
This writer in this article gave the new DS movie another try as she originally had written an article indicating she believed the new movie was unnecessary.
http://www.ahherald.com/columns-mainmenu-28/armchair-critic/11224-michelle-pfeifferand-me
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Well, I'll say this - at least it's nice to see that the writer came to her senses and realized that she'd written some absolute foolishness in her last column about the movie...
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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I think that the casting of Chloe Moretz and Thomas McDonell would be a draw for teens, but I wonder how else they could interest that generation in this film? Hopefully not by trying to mimic Twilight, but I have some faith that Johnny/Tim/Infinitum Nihil/GKFilms wouldn't resort to that.
The casting of these two actors is definitely a plus! Really, Depp is the one who will be carrying this film for the younger generation who may not be as familiar with the other older actors and/or wouldn't have interest in the DS film otherwise. With the hugely major success of the (mostly terrible) Pirates movies Depp is in, that definitely bodes well for our little show/movie. Really I'm wondering what the marketing campaign will be like, how they will arrange the trailers and commercials, and what other promotional tools they will use.
Twilight has everything under the sun, and so does Harry Potter. Dolls, cards, books, clothing, etc etc. The fun never stops for these fandoms.
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and guess who the "michael" was who sent the writer an e-mail questioning her assessment of the michelle pfieffer casting... [ghost_wink]
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Thank you! [thumb]
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Good job Michael
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Chloe Moretz promises 'amazing' Dark Shadows (http://web.orange.co.uk/article/film/chloe-moretz-talks-dark-shadows)
Also I can't believe that someone at Pinewood actually answered this woman:
xhollyxox
i'm on a mission to find johnny depp & hbc on set filming dark shadows. - anyone had any success?
1 hour ago
xhollyxox
@PinewoodStudios was dark shadows filmed in pinewood studios? & is it still filming at the moment? :)
1 hour ago
PinewoodStudios
@xhollyxox It is indeed pinewood.me/DarkShadows
1 hour ago
Does Pinewood really want to encourage fans to show up at the studio. It would seem not considering the ones who've tweeted they've been prevented from getting near the main entrance and sent away by security. So answering this woman seems odd to say the least. (Not to mention no one ever answers when someone asks something interesting. [ghost_sad]) But it would be interesting if someone also answers this:
xhollyxox
@PinewoodStudios thankyou! do you know when it is supposed to finish filming? :)
1 hour ago
We've been given the date of August 12th by another source, so it would be nice to see that date corroborated...
And finally for now, we have this:
joneliel
At Pinewood Studios, spotted this for Dark Shadows the new Johnny Depp film. http://yfrog.com/hso2hinpj
1 hour ago
Why do I suspect the Collinsport police will be just as inept in the Depp/DS film as they are in every other incarnation of DS? [ghost_cheesy]
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MB that is suprising Pinewood Studios responded to a question posed on Twitter. The following supplements your thread on the Hermes SDCC appearance. We might get information on the movie from this panel at the SDCC on Friday July 22, 2011:
6:00-7:00 Hermes Press / Dark Shadows The Classic Series and the New Tim Burton Film— Lara Parker (Angelique from Dark Shadows), Kathryn Leigh Scott (Maggie Evans and Josette DuPres from Dark Shadows), Jim Pierson (consulting producer for the new Dark Shadows film), and Daniel Herman (publisher, Hermes Press) talk about the classic show, the comic book, and print tie-ins and reveals up-to-date news and some surprises about the upcoming Tim Burton film starring Johnny Depp, along with a Q&A session. Room 4
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that is suprising Pinewood Studios responded to a question posed on Twitter.
There hasn't been a peep from Pinewood so far as that last question goes.
reveals up-to-date news and some surprises about the upcoming Tim Burton film
Hopefully it will be true that they reveal "some surprises" because last year they made similar promises but didn't reveal anything that we didn't already know. But then, it's very hard to "surprise" any of us who keep up with DS on the Internet. Not impossible - but certainly hard. [ghost_wink]
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That is true. We may have to tell them what is going on with the movie jk
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167785-sdcc-the-friday-july-22-comic-con-schedule
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I too am of an age to have watched DS when originally aired--but have zero objection to attracting the teen audience. I would mind if that were the only audience targeted--just as I think a film intended solely for fans of the first series would be...well, hopeless. I want new fans for Dark Shadows! Lots of em! I want the DS Festival to swell in size, to branch out and need to meet on both coasts each year!
To do that, IMHO, requires a good movie. Not one that simply retreads the same details and essentials as before, but a fresh and compelling take springing out of a good script, fine performances, good direction and design, etc. Trying to manipulate an audience into liking something very rarely works. What is needed is for the filmmakers to all be on the game, on the same page, and making a movie they'd want to go see! As ever, it'll be a crapshoot. Plenty of wonderful flicks never found an audience for a variety of reasons (mostly coming down to blind luck).
But let us also not forget this movie is a movie, not a soap opera of twenty-five minutes each day for several months. It may be set in 1971, but will be shown in movie theaters in 2012 for audience members who have a somewhat different sensibility. That fact is no more "good" nor "bad" than the existence of CGI or of color.
Bottom line: I'm hoping for a good movie, for myself and others, including those who've never heard of DS before now.
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That seems like a very odd color for a Sheriff's car. But perhaps that's the way police vehicles looked in Maine in 1972...
G.
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All of these people who are taking pictures around the sets of the film are super lucky! It would be so interesting to have a film being made nearby the town where you live. I'd probably have to take a vacation from work for the entirety of the shoot just so that I could go to the sets everyday and watch and listen for whatever I could see or hear!
Too bad for me, my area isn't really that special for filming movies!
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Hey Cousins! Enjoying all the great news coming our way!!! I am SO BEYOND EXCITED. I know I say it all the time but it's a great time to be a DS fan. I have missed you guys! I am back now for a good while!
Love the pic of Chloe in her mode 1972 outfit!! :) I cannot wait to see her in action. I cannot wait to see our first pic of Michelle! :) YAWR!! I think it was a VERY wise choice to make Chloe younger. I think it puts an amazing spin on it. Carolyn was younger in the original but in the Revival she seemed much older than Nancy. Plus this leaves room to take Carolyn into a new direction as she ages and IF WE ARE LUCKY we get sequels!
I love the fact the Lara Parker is doing a cameo. I think they should also get David Selby and KLS. NO offense to any other actors but they are who I desire. Alexandra would be a coup but I don't know if she would do it.
Thanks for all the tireless work for updates! Hugs to you all! XXOXOX
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And yet another person who's seen the Pinewood sets:
Manster_Dan
Helped out at Pinewood today! Saw sets for Prometheus and Dark Shadows - f**king immense!!! :D
2 hours ago
Also, Hermes Press' latest Press Release regarding Comic Con 2011 (the link to which is posted in the Hermes Press Comic Con topic on the "Calendar Events / Announcements '11 II" board) includes this bit:
"and Jim just may have a scoop or two from behind the scenes of Tim Burton and Johnny Depp’s upcoming Dark Shadows feature film!"
I'll believe it when we see it! [ghost_wink]
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That seems like a very odd color for a Sheriff's car. But perhaps that's the way police vehicles looked in Maine in 1972...
a sheriff's car huh...
i wonder if there's a small and as yet unannounced part for sheriff patterson? could be an interesting bit of stunt casting.
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I think it would be cool to see Chris Pennock as Sheriff Patterson. For some reason I am seeing it! :) [ghost_wink] Also, I have to say that if they do Quentin perhaps he will be presented towards the movie ending? Or perhaps they will make a quasi movie ending and/or opening for the next storyline to move forward with if a sequel happens. I hope that made sense!
This time next year DS will have almost been out two month, perhaps still in the theater's if we are lucky; and it will be a smash hit across the globe---hopefully!
Regardles of if everyone on this thread thinks they are going to like this movie or not we should ALL go see it at least once. IF not for anything but to keep the spirit of DS alive. Who knows, Chiller, or another channel could pick up the original DS if Deep and Co. score a hit! I have my hopes set HIGH! And I like it that way! We are blessed that this is happening. I feel very blessed.
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The cameos of the original actors are definitely going to be a treat for those of us who watched the original show. It'll be awesome to see our favorites back in some way, shape, or form and involved in the new movie! Personally, I would love it if those who are making appearances have a role that is ironically opposed to the one they played so famously in the original series.
Also, I hope this movie does very well, as I'm sure we all do, because that will only mean great things for the future of Dark Shadows as a brand. As long as the brand name is kept alive in some incarnation, there is always a possibility that something great will happen, just as this new feature film has proven. Our loyalty and devotedness has proven that if nothing else. Because as everyone knows, money talks, and since there is a proven market for this stuff (even if it is rather small in the grand scheme of things) the right company and group of people can sell it to the max--as Warner Brothers, Depp and Burton undoubtedly hope to do!
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i have heard...although not at this board...that there are fans who are actually upset that the movie is not using the original actors as it's stars.
to think that a group of obscure actors in their 60's, 70's and 80's could somehow carry this major film is rather unrealistic.
also i'm surprised that quentin's name(and potential casting)is still being bandied about. the cast list has been announced. the plot synopsis released. the film has started shooting. the movie is about BARNABAS' release and the ensuing events not about a much later character and storyline. i doubt johnny depp signed on to this project to share the screen with another male lead.
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Hmmm - I guess they're shooting today - or at least doing something:
kr_shhh
Work on a Saturday.... I should have been in a car with @TeganLOVEFiLM right now on the way to sommerset. Unhappy face.
5 hours ago
And a current photo of the Collinwood set:
xxKimbobxx
Just walked passed the set for new johnny depp film ''Dark shadows''. At Bourne Wood http://yfrog.com/khv03vj
6 hours ago
Wonder why the took the black down? And I see a new bush (a few feet to the left of the entrance), but the other small tree has been there for a while
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SDCC on Friday July 22, 2011:
6:00-7:00 Hermes Press / Dark Shadows The Classic Series and the New Tim Burton Film
I didn't even notice this conflict on the schedule:
TheWomanInBlack Debi Moore
Really @Comic_Con, did you HAVE to schedule Dark Shadows at the same time as True Blood? Just one of many conflicts, I know, but it hurts.
12 hours ago
Why do I suspect a lot more people will go to the True Blood panel? [ghost_wink]
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In response to where at Pinewood the castle set for Snow White and the Huntsman is being built:
iainl7
@SuitablyManic fills the Pinewood car park. Prometheus and Dark Shadows have taken over every ounce of space they can hide from view!
2 hours ago
The DS sets are hidden from view? We would have never guessed. [ghost_wink] And how wild that just those two movies fill so many stages at Pinewood because Pinewood supposedly has like 16 stages. The only stage we know DS is using is the 007 stage, which is the biggest stage at Pinewood: 374 ft. long, 158 ft. wide, and 41 ft. high. And the only reason we know that is because of the tweet from CapnZeus where he posted photos or video of the DS set there on foursquare.com. (Though none of us can access the content of his account because it's private. [ghost_sad])
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Oops - I missed this one last night:
MOGO2814
i checked out the exterior set for dark shadows yesterday-the colinswood estate looks both awesome and haunted.
16 hours ago
Too bad he didn't share a photo...
And then we have this mishap:
ChloeGMoretz
A bee just flew into me and stung my eyelid...thanks mother nature -__-
33 minutes ago
Ouch!
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Seems like this guy is trying to entice ClevverTV to visit the set
Sirtaggy
@ClevverTV On set at Collinwood Manor for Dark Shadow (A.K.A) bourne woods farnham surrey http://twitpic.com/5nzqtk
7 hours ago
And thanks to his photo we can now see that they've planted quite a few trees outside the wall surrounding the house. And I doubt they'd be doing that if they weren't going to shoot there again. And apparently someone was doing something there because that red and blue staging wasn't there in the photo posted yesterday.
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I had no idea Depp's kids have Twitter accounts:
jack_depp
Seeing Dark Shadows set tomorow, its going to be fun!
48 minutes ago
aantoniaf
@liilyrosedepp What are your plans for tomorrow? ;) ♥
12 minutes ago
liilyrosedepp
@aantoniaf Going to dark Shadows set
4 minutes ago
I wonder if they've had to sign confidentiality agreements too? [ghost_wink]
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This is interesting - and I don't know if we should believe it or take it with a grain of salt - but the admin of the message board on a Web site that says it's Christopher Lee's "Official Website" posted this yesterday with regard to Lee working in DS:
"He is working in the movie for sure. As for his role, I do not know."
Check out the topic and the post here: Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" (http://christopherleeweb.com/forums/generalised-topics-cl/tim-burtons-dark-shadows#comment-1045466)
If true, fantastic news! [thumb]
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After reading a conversation about Lee in DS on IMDB, I thought it was a terrific idea. Being since Lee has been such a staple of Burton films, it only makes sense that he would be in one about a vampire. It would be fun if he played a Van Helsing-esque role to counter his own Dracula. I could see Lee as the Sheriff or as in Professor/Doctor role. [ghost_wink] I also think he would make a GREAT Bill Malloy or Matthew Morgan, though I doubt either will make it into this film.
Original Series Spoiler Below:
[spoiler]
And I still don't think that we'll ever learn "officially" the origins of our foundling governess - as in "Whose daughter is this anyway?" And this makes me depressed. [/spoiler]
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I see in the topic on IMDb that someone said just an hour ago that the post was made by Lee's son-in-law and that's who runs Lee's official Web site. Well, that would *seem* to lend credence to it, then.
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Umm, I would *not* trust the twitters of Johnny's "children" even if they say "official" they are not verified. Besides, Lily-Rose is spelling her name wrong ;)
As for Christopher Lee, I remember Lee's son-in-law giving accurate information back in the days of Sweeney Todd. He was legit. Lee was set to be in the cast of Sweeney Todd, as a "ghost"- he and other "ghosts" would be doing some sort of narration including the Ballad Of Sweeney Todd. But in the end, they decided not to go in that direction, and Lee and the others were regrettably cut from te film. You can see an ad announcing the principal photography for ST that actually lists Lee in the cast, on my website here:
http://mysite.verizon.net/madscntst/GallerySweeney.html
and I mention a little about the incident on another page on my website, here:
http://mysite.verizon.net/madscntst/SweeneyArticles.html
(scroll almost to the bottom, under "Older information and tidbits")
I'm thrilled that Lee will participate in DS!!
Cathy
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I want very much to support this movie but it has been suggested that we should go see it no matter what and I won't do that. If the trailers look good, not even great but just good, and word from fans is good I'll be there but I won't pay to go see a bad movie. I hope that doesn't happen but we won't know until it's finished.
If Seaview was in it I'd go just to see Seaview on the big screen but I haven't liked any of Burton's or Depp's films in a long time. Again, I hope this is a GREAT movie and I'll go see it even if it just looks good. But if it looks bad I won't.
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cousin barnabas mentions something that, believe it or not, had never even occurred to me until the last few days...
will this film FINALLY solve the mystery surrounding vicki's parentage? and if it does, does it become "canon", meaning does it take all the guesswork out of the situation once and for all and become the "official" outcome of this long unresolved storyline?
elizabeth and victoria are both part of the film. liz has a "secret" and i highly doubt we're going to get into the paul stoddard/jason mcquire stuff given the perimeters of a two hour film that will largely focus on barnabas. it could be done.
this mystery was "solved" during the 'return to collinwood' presentation at the fest some years back but i didn't go for it at the time. will this movie answer our questions? [ghost_shocked]
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The writer is returning to London Written about 20 minutes ago.
@sethgs
Seth Grahame-Smith Off to London again for more #DarkShadows. See you bright and early Tuesday, @PinewoodStudios
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michael c - For me the "Return To Collinwood" did answer the question. If this movie wants to cover that again it's cool, but we have the answer. I'm going to try and think of this movie as a PT story line and anything they do will live in that new PT story which allows the original and other versions to have their stories as well.
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I think Chris Lee would be very good as Prof. Stokes.
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Dear folks, by the standard definitions of "canon," the ONLY canon for the Original DS universe are the actual aired episodes of the original series. Stuff that was in the "Marilyn" Ross novels, the Gold Key comics, the feature films, or even Sam Hall's (in)famous TV guide article isn't canon. It either refers to its own iteration of the DS universe (yet another layer of "parallel time, " perhaps?) or represents commentary from "interested parties." Sadly, even the wonderful video of a fabulously coiffed and gowned Joan Bennett filmed by a fan in the 1980s telling us that Elizabeth was indeed Vicki's mother does not count as canon. (From the clues dropped in the 1966 scripts, a very different solution to Vicki's parentage is implied, though had Art Wallace continued to write for the show, who knows what final twist he might have introduced had the matter been resolved in an aired episode.)
The Depp movie, and its potential sequels, will establish the characters and story in their own unique universe. The storyline and revelations of that world already present a very different history for the Collins family from the narrative, fraught as it was, established for the Collinses we knew in the Sixties.
G.
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Thanks for posting the tweet from Seth Grahame-Smith, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
And thanks for the heads up regarding Depp's kid's accounts, madscntst. If they are bogus, what's really interesting is some verified celebrity accounts are following them, well, following his daughter's account. But then, just because someone is a celebrity, that doesn't mean they have good judgement. [ghost_wink]
And speaking of Twitter, there have now been quite a few tweets about Christopher Lee doing DS. Hopefully it really is true...
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Christopher Lee!!!!! How awesome!!!! I sure hope it's true! I think he'd make a great Professor Stokes! But whoever he would play this would be soooo cool!!!!! [ghost_grin]
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As per usual, we're left to wonder what this means:
PinewoodStudios
@sethgs What a fantastic day to be back
6 hours ago
Though apparently Chloe Moretz may have the day off from shooting today:
ChloeGMoretz
Biking in hyde park ohhh what a wonderful dayyy :)
1 hour ago
And yet another person (James Adkin, who's a film, TV and commercial producer) comments on the DS sets at Pinewood:
jamesaadkin
Saw some of Tim Burton's 'Dark Shadows' set over the weekend - now thats how you make a film set - Johnny Depp #asavampire....
7 hours ago
And for whatever it's worth (which madscntst pointed out may not be much):
liilyrosedepp
@GretaGrigorova Getting ready to go to Dark Shadows set & you? x
2 hours ago
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I haven't got the vaguest idea who this guy is, but (given their recent discussion in the "DS Fashion Envy" topic) perhaps michael_c and Midnite will be soaring into the stratosphere when they read this:
Terry DE Havilland 50th Anniversary Celebrations: Terry's Tales (http://www.vogue.co.uk/news/2011/07/11/terry-de-havilland-celebrates-50th-fashion-anniversary)
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The Depp movie, and its potential sequels, will establish the characters and story in their own unique universe. The storyline and revelations of that world already present a very different history for the Collins family from the narrative, fraught as it was, established for the Collinses we knew in the Sixties.
This is exactly right. I honestly hope that fans don't get sucked into a new argument/discussion about what is canonical and what isn't because that would just be a waste of time. The new movie is a completely fresh start for an all new set of stories. Just like the audio CDs from Big Finish, it's going to attempt to add more stories to the Dark Shadows universe.
@ borgosi:
I've liked pretty much all of the movies Depp and Burton have done together, so I'm sure I'll love the new Dark Shadows as well. But I'm definitely with as far as if the movie doesn't look appealing once the trailers and commercials start playing, I might not go see it. Though, I'm sure the excitement surrounding the movie and the fact that I've been a fan of DS for well over a decade now (a long time when you're 24) will get the better of me.
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Terry De Havilland! Be still my heart. Can you say 'snakeskin platforms' and 'metallic wedges'? Can't wait to see what he designs for Julia and Liz. Awesome!
Thanks, MB!
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Christopher Lee??!! My mind is officially blown! Very cool!
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I have too. I don't rely too much on seeing trailers as to whether or not I will see a movie. I used to until I went to one too many movies (based on the trailer I saw) and the movie sucked. The trailers just gives you an idea of what the movie is about, not how good it is.
I've liked pretty much all of the movies Depp and Burton have done together, so I'm sure I'll love the new Dark Shadows as well. But I'm definitely with as far as if the movie doesn't look appealing once the trailers and commercials start playing, I might not go see it. Though, I'm sure the excitement surrounding the movie and the fact that I've been a fan of DS for well over a decade now (a long time when you're 24) will get the better of me.
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Not sure if this is meaningful or not, but -- last night Helena Bonham Carter was interviewed on a Larry King Special about the final Harry Potter movie. In the interview (which I assume was taped fairly recently), Carter had red-hair. Perhaps she has dyed her hair to play Julia.
Did anyone else notice this?
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The trailers just gives you an idea of what the movie is about,
And even then sometimes they can be deceptive. For example, trailers have been known to make mostly serious films look like comedies and mostly action movies look like relationship movies. It all depends on which demographic any given trailer is aimed at. Case in point: the recent I Am Number 4 - some trailers/ads emphasized the romance between the two main characters, while other trailers/ads emphasized the action - and they were shown during movies/TV shows that fit the demographic they were hoping to attract.
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Carter had red-hair. Perhaps she has dyed her hair to play Julia.
Hmmm - not sure when her interview for that show was shot because King was on a talk show last week and said he had complete access to the film from shooting all the way through to the latest promotion. But for what it's worth I think you're on to something because her hair looks like it was red at the London premiere last Thursday. Check out this video: "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2" Red Carpet Premiere Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeaRVsvITV0) and pay attention to the first shot of her hugging someone at 34 seconds in...
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Wait - I found these photos of HBC from the premiere:
Helena Bonham Carter in HBP London Premiere (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7000000/Helena-Bonham-Carter-in-HBP-London-Premiere-harry-potter-7035157-1755-2560.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/harry-potter/images/7035157/title/helena-bonham-carter-hbp-london-premiere-photo&h=2560&w=1755&sz=1004&tbnid=xYGyfxN0MJZVHM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=62&prev=/search%3Fq%3DHarry%2BPotter%2BLOndon%2BPremiere%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=Harry+Potter+LOndon+Premiere&usg=__W1G8OKqWW7YtUMUGpOKtkOaaMhU=&sa=X&ei=Gz8bTpScHsrX0QHYhrGXBQ&ved=0CDwQ9QEwBQ&dur=3884)
Definitely red. [ghost_wink]
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Ooh, it's the hyper-intense, crazy Julia bedhead look from hoDS!!
G.
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Again, take from this what you will:
liilyrosedepp Lily Rose Depp
Dark Shadows set was awesome today!!
2 hours ago
33three
@liilyrosedepp You were on the set of Dark Shadows? Seriously? I'm so excited for this film. ~~♥~~
2 hours ago
blandinej
@liilyrosedepp aww ur lucky, but its quite normal i think. if ur going back there could u say hello to Helena from me? & to ur dad obviously
2 hours ago
liilyrosedepp
@33three Yes earlier today x
2 hours ago
liilyrosedepp
@blandinej No unfortunatly not going back again for a while x
2 hours ago
JennyferRider
@liilyrosedepp i cant wait to see he film!! 2012 needs to hurry up! xxx
2 hours ago
magicofvenice
@liilyrosedepp I'm so excited for it! I really can't wait!
2 hours ago
blandinej
@liilyrosedepp oh okay. no problem :p i must be very annoying to ask you Helena-related services :L well enjoy ur holidays sweety xx
2 hours ago
liilyrosedepp
@blandinej No its not annoying, I would do it for you if we were going back xxx
2 hours ago
xdaenerys
@liilyrosedepp did you meet Helena Bonham Carter? I'm her fan too. lol
1 hour ago
liilyrosedepp
@xdaenerys I saw her there yes x
1 hour ago
xdaenerys
@liilyrosedepp wow!! Hmm and what do you think of her? :)
1 hour ago
liilyrosedepp
@xdaenerys She's nice, funny too x
1 hour ago
xdaenerys
@liilyrosedepp I'm glad to hear that! Thanks for answering :) you're nice!! :)
1 hour ago
wiishflower
@liilyrosedepp I'm so much waiting to watch Dark Shadows. I keep checking for its updates and I hope the trailer comes out soon. lol x
1 hour ago
liilyrosedepp
@wiishflower Well filming hasnt finished yet so no trailers just yet x
1 hour ago
moonlight2312
@liilyrosedepp Hello Lily! What was beautiful in the set of Dark Shadows? I'm so curious! <3
1 hour ago
liilyrosedepp
@moonlight2312 It was all great x
1 hour ago
33three
@liilyrosedepp I know Tim Burton want this film in secret, but take the a photo than no compromise the film, just of set. I'm curious.
43 minutes ago
And why do I think we'll never see that photo - even if she is really Depp's daughter...
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I agree that trailers don't tell you alot, that's why I included word from fans that I respect, at least I think I did. If the trailers look bad and I come here Saturday after the first showings and fans are upset about how bad the movie is, I won't be going. I will see the movie but I see no reason to spend 2 hours and $35.00 ( imax ) to see a movie that by all accounts is bad. Again, I hope it isn't.
These days it only takes a couple of months to see the video, I can wait that long.
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This is an interesting tweet if she really is an imposter:
PinewoodStudios
@liilyrosedepp Are you with us at the moment?
5 hours ago
And she hasn't replied...
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Ooh, it's the hyper-intense, crazy Julia bedhead look from hoDS!!
That is my favorite Julia hair! [gorgeous]
And since they are setting this story near the time when the original ended, it just seems fitting. In fact, it would be amazing if all of the characters resembled the originals. Chloe looks like a young Nancy Barrett in the photo we've seen of her - and Johnny's hair is a similar length to Frid's. I'm very interested in seeing these characters.
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I would not be at all surprised if LilyRose is an imposter. It's a creepy trend to take the names of "celebrities" or other real people as one's online moniker/alias.
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I would not be at all surprised if LilyRose is an imposter. It's a creepy trend to take the names of "celebrities" or other real people as one's online moniker/alias.
Well, I have given my personal opinion. Lily-Rose is 12, and Jack is only 9. Both Vanessa and Johnny have spoken out often about not putting their children in the public eye, and giving them as much privacy as they can until they're old enough to make their own decisions. They do not attend premieres or other public events with him (at least not on the red carpet; they were at Disneyland the day of the Pirates 4 premiere but not with him, and it was only discovered when paparazzi got their pix). Johnny has spoken out about what he thinks of paps that take their photos, and he will often walk separately or send his family around another way when they're out together to minimize exposure to them. Many Depp fan sites forbid pix of his kids on their sites because of his stand on this. The only exceptions are a handful of "sanctioned" photos that have been taken by a professional photographer friend. While it's true that they're getting older, I don't think they're yet at the age where they'd be permitted to have twitter accounts. And I doubt they would be announcing their whereabouts to the public. Just my opinion.
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Understood.
For me, I am a bit of a wild thing and like to be daring. For that reason, I will sometimes go see a movie I'm only curious about for the hell of it. I'm just wild and crazy that way. [ghost_tongue2]
I agree that trailers don't tell you alot, that's why I included word from fans that I respect
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Wonder why everyone is up so early today?
PinewoodStudios
Lots of People up early for shooting #DarkShadows at @PinewoodStudios. @JenCW wins, who was up at 3am
7 hours ago
uhftv UH Film+TV
@PinewoodStudios Hooray! That's dedication for you! @jencw is one of our students at Hertfordshire :)
6 hours ago
Not a real photo (sadly) - but still interesting:
moitra_sayan007
@ChloeGMoretz @RussTaylor622 @Whereispod @Bishop54 @ChloeMoretzFr see this Dark Shadows http://twitpic.com/5p21v9
21 minutes ago
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Wonder why everyone is up so early today?
A scene at sunrise?? Ooh, the possibilities [ghost_cool]
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The reports that Depp was going to drop down to 140 pounds for DS are making the rounds on Twitter today, with people being quite horrified by the idea. Who knows why the reports have resurfaced after all this time. But apparently none of the people tweeting have seen the photos of Depp with Alice Cooper because quite obviously they prove those reports were complete hogwash. [ghost_azn]
And over on IMDB I see that thanks to more of the sites featuring photos of the Collinwood set and Chloe Moretz' comments at the Harry Potter premiere in London, DS has climbed up to #486 on MOVIEmeter. That's the highest the film has been since the week of May 29th, when it was #397.
Ironically, even though Chloe Moretz' comments sent the film up, they didn't help her enough personally because, even though she climbed up from #105 to #73 on IMDB's STARmeter, she fell from her 2nd place ranking among the DS cast and is now 4th. Eva Green, also thanks to the Collinwood set reports along with the news that Camelot will be released on DVD on August 1st, has jumped up to 2nd among the DS cast because of having jumped on STARmeter from #213 to #39, which is the highest she's ever been since being cast in DS (her previous DS high was #59 during the week of April 10th, with her all-time high being #2 the weeks of November 26th and December 3rd of '06, back in the Casino Royale days). And Helena Bonham Carter remains at 3rd even though she's jumped up to #65 from #174, thanks mostly to HP publicity.
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Nancy - These days it's rare that I go see any movie at a theater. I think the last one was at least two years ago. It's my opinion that todays movies are over priced and are more about special effects than story. I'd rather go on a road trip. The movies I do watch I'd rather watch on DVD, cable or netflix. That saves me from having to deal with rude crowds. I have no need to pay to watch a movie and end up with someone behind me on their cell phone. No thanks.
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I can honestly say that I've never had a problem with anyone using their cell phone at a movie, at the theater, or at a concert. Maybe I've just been lucky...
This morning I must have missed the following tweet from Kieran Hammond, who describes himself in his profile as a "24 year old bearded rocker, music lover, festival goer, geek, oyster shucker." But I caught his tweet this time around:
Madkjb
On my way to Pinewood Studios for first day of filming on Tim Burtons/Johnny Depps new film Dark Shadows. The set looks pretty amazing =]
18 hours ago
Who knows how he's contributing to the film, but there sure seems to be a lot of people involved in music who are also somehow involved in the film.
And people are still in a tizzy and tweeting about Depp dropping down to 140 pounds. Hasn't anyone on Twitter seen Depp's recent photos? And if they have, why aren't they pointing these people to them? [ghost_rolleyes]
And while we're on the subject of things I don't understand, I don't understand this tweet from actor Jensen Freeman:
jensenfreeman
very excited to announce that I have a shoot schedule for 'Dark Shadows' from December! very excited about that folks xx
2 hours ago
December? [ghost_huh]
Also, looks like CapnZeus is back:
BlueTerrapin
Haha @CapnZeus has sent me a pic of him in costume on Dark Shadows, he looks like a 70s pornstar, I've threatened to post *awaits flowers*
2 hours ago
BlueTerrapin
@Daria67 @capnzeus he's sent me a full length pic....I'm just hoping to f**k Johnny Depp wasn't styled by the same team, I couldn't cope!
2 hours ago
CapnZeus
I think I should post a pic of me in " costume" on Dark Shadows today before @BlueTerrapin dose!!! What do you think?
2 hours ago
Hmmm, what good will posting a pic do IF when he posts it he makes it private? [ghost_azn]
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Kieran Hammond, who describes himself in his profile as a "24 year old bearded rocker, music lover, festival goer, geek, oyster shucker." But I caught his tweet this time around:
This is the same guy who was listed as playing Quentin Collins on Wiki! I'm pretty sure he's not playing Quentin. He probably just found out he got cast and decided to pull a prank on Wiki. He describes himself as "beared," which is the same description he used for werewolf Q.
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That's right - I completely spaced out his name.
This is getting very weird. And who the hell knows if that tweet can be believed or what...
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Personally, I can't go any great distance anywhere around me for the price of a movie ticket - gas is expensive where I live at almost four dollars a gallon. $10 would net me a little over two gallons. I can't even get to the beach for that and it's just 90 minutes away. You're lucky you live in a place where gas is cheaper, believe me.
I've been going to movies for forty plus years and I think twice in all that time I had to ask someone to not talk loud. The request was respected. Where the heck do you live, Borgosi?? You have cheap gas but rude theater crowds??? You're blessed with one and cursed with a bad situation.
As to my movie habits: I go maybe once or twice in a six month period depending on what's out there. Some films are best seen on the large screen, others a DVD screening at home suffices. I don't stress over what I will or will not see. If the movie sucks, oh well. I will either leave or stick it out depending on how much it sucks. It's just not that big a deal.
Nancy - These days it's rare that I go see any movie at a theater. I think the last one was at least two years ago. It's my opinion that todays movies are over priced and are more about special effects than story. I'd rather go on a road trip. The movies I do watch I'd rather watch on DVD, cable or netflix. That saves me from having to deal with rude crowds. I have no need to pay to watch a movie and end up with someone behind me on their cell phone. No thanks.
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There is a contingent of fans, mostly on Facebook, that are really stressing over whether or not this DS movie stinks or not. I don't get it. Why wig out over whether or not it will be bad? We all hope the movie satisfies us. On our death bed, will any of us really be thinking of our overall DS experience and how the movie impacted us? The film has the potential to be a great experience for us as well a as a disappointment. So what? It takes nothing away from what we already have experienced and enjoyed.
Nancy
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I've had it happened twice but it was loud whispering. It stopped once I (and others) said something. I lived in New York City for 16 years and didn't have problems in movie theaters or plays with cell phones, etc and this in a city many think is rude central!
Nancy
I can honestly say that I've never had a problem with anyone using their cell phone at a movie, at the theater, or at a concert. Maybe I've just been lucky...
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Here's a fun fact for you related to Depp supposedly dropping weight to play Barnabas: during the run of the original series, Jonathan Frid stuck to a 2000 calorie diet. When I was going through some boxes in his basement sorting papers out, I found the notes and some menus from that time period. I asked him about it and he didn't really remember much about it other than being concerned about looking like a fat vampire in front of the weight-enhancing cameras.
Nancy
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A tweet from someone with a connection that one doesn't generally associate with Coillinsport - a surfing school:
jossbaysurfing
Well what a say at Pinewood yesterday! Tim Burton is a pretty interesting guy and as you can imagine Johnny Depp Is super cool......
8 hours ago
Who knows if he's involved with something else at Pinewood or if he's somehow connected to DS? But all in good time, I suppose...
And here's a reply:
HoboRobot
@jossbaysurfing I can only imagine the excitement at Pinewood. Depp and Burton have a fan base, and us older Dark Shadows fans are thrilled
5 hours ago
Also, liilyrosedepp has retweeted old photos of the Collinwood exterior set that we all saw a while back - and while she's not saying it in as many words, the impression being given is that she's sharing photos that she took. Um, not quite! Though people are thanking her for sharing them. [ghost_huh]
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There is a contingent of fans, mostly on Facebook, that are really stressing over whether or not this DS movie stinks or not. I don't get it. Why wig out over whether or not it will be bad?
Well, it's a different medium but it's really no different than the people who, long before a frame of film or a photo had been seen, stressed out over and even criticized the '91 Series in the fanzines of that day. I don't understand it, either - but it's a phenomenon that exists. [idontknow]
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Interesting:
abbiemariedyer Abbie Marie Dyer
@lily_melodyDEPP If ur real then why arent pinewood studios (dark shadows set) official Twitter account following u but folow @liilyrosedepp
6 hours ago
I didn't even think to check before, but Pinewood is indeed following liilyrosedepp. However, that doesn't necessarily mean they follow her because she's the real thing - they could simply be following her to see what sorts of stunts she's pulling on Twitter...
And some advice:
Jamhot18 James Selby
@OfficialHelena tell John Bush that Visa was not created till 1976..it's all over set (in the shops)..1972 it was not there! DarkShadows.
2 hours ago
Well, what would DS be if it wasn't a bit anachronistic at times. [ghost_wink] (And for those who may not remember, John Bush is handling set decoration for the film.)
He also tweeted Seth Grahame-Smith.
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Missed these yesterday and the day before (because they don't mention DS) and it was a fluke that I stumbled across them today:
mattnation73
Sitting in a room filled with seventies styled extras in pinewood studios...and I get a blue jump suit...typical!
12 Jul
Bookahhookah
First day at Pinewood studios work experience. Pretty good. Saw bellatrix from Harry potter! Johnny depp was there but I didnt see him :(
11 Jul
(For those who may not know, Bellatrix is Helena Bonham Carter. [ghost_wink])
marzy08
@Bookahhookah no :( how come you are mixing with the celebs and working at pinewood?
12 Jul
Bookahhookah
@marzy08 got a work placement there :)
12 Jul
Bookahhookah
@marzy08 yeah in marketing. Only been on the phones so far. Not that interesting
54 minutes ago
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Dark Shadows News has posted two new photos of the Collinwood exterior set: Movie Update and New Set Photos (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/07/movie-set-photos-update.html)
The one of the house isn't much different than the last two we've seen recently - though the one of the wall/gate is certainly worth a look. [ghost_smiley]
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Nancy - I wouldn't call gas cheap here, it was $3.49 today, maybe less expessive. I guess it's all in how you want to spend your off time. I used to go to 3 or 4 movies a week. My taste has just changed over the years. IMHO the only reason to go to a theater to see a movie is IMAX 3-D and Dark Shadows. Today's movie just don't do much for me.
For the most part I'd rather send the money on gas and go someplace I've either never been or Rhode Island. I love Newport. I drive there twice a year and it's at least an 18 hour drive.
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MB - I can be a bit touchie when it comes to people around me in a theater ( movie or plays ). When my wife and I went to see "Return Of The King" a couple had me mad enough to scream and my wife didn't even notice them. While I'll be the first to say "that's on me" that doesn't change it.
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MB - I can be a bit touchie when it comes to people around me in a theater ( movie or plays ). When my wife and I went to see "Return Of The King" a couple had me mad enough to scream and my wife didn't even notice them. While I'll be the first to say "that's on me" that doesn't change it.
I am also touchy in the theater. I hate listening to people chomp and grind on their food and snacks, obnoxiously sip their sodas, and constantly tap-tap-tapping away texting their friends! I am hyper sensitive to this situation, and have been for a few years now. I took a film class in college and we did an entire unit on how background noise completely changes and can even ruin a film experience for someone. Ever since then, I can't help but notice things like this despite constantly trying to ignore them.
I usually find that the best time to go to the movies where I live is early on Sunday mornings. The younger (and mostly ruder) crowds are at home in bed, all the adults are either out shopping/at church/working around the house/or sleeping. I find that I am usually the one only, or one of few audience members in the entire theater room, and that's great!
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After reading some more on the IMDB message boards, I came up with an interesting thought. There was a discussion on Twilight fans think Shadows is ripping off their beloved series. Perhaps... just perhaps... this is why the film was set in the 1970s, as an attempt to show that Shadows predates any of the Twilight vampire mythos - if you can call it that. I wonder if, in John August's script, the film wasn't set in the modern day and was then changed after Twilight posed a problem. It's probably a far out idea, but something I decided to share.
And now for something completely different, any suggestions for a timeline of official press materials? The Dark Knight Rises now has a poster. I'm sure we will probably have a poster by the fall, and am hoping for a teaser trailer in October. A full trailer probably won't come out until December or later.
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Yes, Rhode Island (and Newport) are great places to visit but not places I would go to over and over again to see the same things. I like going to places I've never been.
I love Newport. I drive there twice a year and it's at least an 18 hour drive.
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I see that Chloe Moretz held another Q&A on Twitter that ended a short while ago. But once again she didn't answer any DS-related questions. [ghost_sad] (In fact, some of the questions she answered were asked and answered last time.)
Don't really know why Seth Grahame-Smith bothers to tweet that he's going to London and he'll be on the DS set because he never tweets anything about it once he gets there. Last time it was his producing partner David Katzenberg who tweeted about DS, but he doesn't seem to have traveled to London this time...
But as far as more interesting things on Twitter go:
Landscapeoflies
Wandered onto the set of 'Dark Shadows' by accident, such an amazing set, a harbor built on land, phenomenal!!
15 hours ago
And the only reason I was able to find this one was because it's one of DS' Top tweets today - searching for ALL tweets isn't working well today. But then, Twitter has been experiencing a lot of glitches/overloads lately. Maybe later today will be better...
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I wonder if, in John August's script, the film wasn't set in the modern day and was then changed after Twilight posed a problem. It's probably a far out idea, but something I decided to share.
It might not be all that far out. We speculated a couple years ago that one of the reasons John August's script was taking so long to complete might have been that they wanted to make it as unlike Twilight as possible - though not because anything about Twilight is bad (as seems to be to be the prevailing opinion on IMDb) - but to simply keep the comparisons of the Depp/DS film to Twilight at as much of a minimum as possible (though, truthfully, given how both deal with a few of the same themes, some comparisons are inevitable and unavoidable.) I wouldn't be at all surprised to eventually learn that the final shooting version of the Depp/DS script is very different from the original concept that was developed back in '07 and that the phenomenal success of Twilight has a lot to do with that.
And now for something completely different, any suggestions for a timeline of official press materials? The Dark Knight Rises now has a poster. I'm sure we will probably have a poster by the fall, and am hoping for a teaser trailer in October. A full trailer probably won't come out until December or later.
I only wish we knew when any of that stuff might be released. But all films are different, so trying to judge based on other films - even other films at the same studio - isn't necessarily a reliable way to judge. One day we'll get online and all sorts of things will finally be available. All we can hope is that that day will be much sooner than later. [ghost_wink]
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I have friends in Newport and I'll never tire of seeing them. But I also love going to new places and I do as much as I can. I hope to retire, buy an RV and see the country.
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Create_28
Cool, just found out Tim Burton is filming a new movie 'dark shadows' with Johnny Depp in the woods round the corner.. #timburton
3 hours ago
So where's the photo? [ghost_smiley]
On the other hand, there's this:
COBAININACOMA
I keep getting excited for the new Dark Shadows then realizing it's being directed by Tim Burton, who butchers every story he remakes.
10 hours ago
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Angelina Jolie stunt double Eunice Huthart forced to give up Liverpool restaurant to focus on stunt work (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/in-the-mix/2011/07/14/angelina-jolie-stunt-double-eunice-huthart-forced-to-give-up-liverpool-restaurant-to-focus-on-stunt-work-100252-29048581/)
And apparently she's currently doing that stunt work on DS. Wonder who's she's doubling? Given the descriptions of Angelique and Barnabas' relationship, perhaps Eva Green? Though we may actually find out in the next installment...
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This tweet would seem to indicate they'll be shooting at the Collinwood set tonight:
drewmunn
Got back from wedding rehearsal. Off to Bourne Woods soon where Johnny Depp is *NOT* filming Dark Shadows. ;-) wink wink
1 hour ago
Still wish we knew how Mr. Munn is involved with DS...
And I can't believe that some people on Twitter are still thanking liilyrosedepp for the Collinwood set photos she, uh, "borrowed" and posted as if they were her own...
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I wonder if we will have any scenes of ingenues running from houses. I can see it in the flashback, with some particularly lovely lady running away from Collinwood to Widows Hill. This is only wishful thinking at this point, but one scene I can envision taking place at night in the 1772 Collinwood. There aren't many others I can envision based on what we know... unless there is something with Angelique (which is most likely the case). Maybe they will crossfade the two versions of the house as they make the transition to the present. Speculating about the possible scenes we will see is fun - and a bit easier considering we know a lot more about the past than we do about the present.
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I see that Dark Shadows News has posted three more photos of preparations being made at the Collinwood set location: New Dark Shadows Movie Location Photos (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-dark-shadows-movie-location-photos.html). Though none of the photos are of the Collinwood set itself.
(And one can't help but wonder if one day liilyrosedepp will try to pass off one or more of them as her own? [ghost_rolleyes])
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(Soon the countdown will be under 300 days! [ghost_wink])
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I wonder if we will have any scenes of ingenues running from houses. I can see it in the flashback, with some particularly lovely lady running away from Collinwood to Widows Hill. This is only wishful thinking at this point, but one scene I can envision taking place at night in the 1772 Collinwood.
Ah yes - the classic Gothic tableaux of the woman running from the house and dressed in a flowing white dress or especially a flowing white nightie. And if she's also holding a lit candelabra, well, so much the better. [ghost_cheesy]
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You know it, MB! Just like that amazing poster/ad from the revival series.
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I hadn't been keeping up with the posts on JOHNNYDEPPZONE, but apparently I should have been because there have been quite a few interesting ones:
On this page (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=225) check out:
- the one posted Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:32 pm, which among other things confirms shooting into August.
- and the one posted Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:24 pm in which the poster shares that a runner on the Collinwood exterior set believes that "Even if you saw him, you wouldn't recognise" Depp as Barnabas. That must be some transformation - or at least some transformation on that particular night's shooting.
On this page (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=240) check out:
- the one posted Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:40 am, which gives some details of the preparations being made at the Collinwood exterior set for the night shoot on the 24th.
On this page (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=255) check out:
- the one posted Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:50 am that says that *supposedly* Depp shot on location at a residential house in Crowthorne.
On this page (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=285) check out:
- the one posted Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:58 am, which is a copy of a post from another message board about a guy who allowed his vintage car to be used in the film (in a scene that was still to shoot but has since been shot on the 12th). Unfortunately, the link to the original post on the other board doesn't work.
- and the one posted Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:38 am, which is a transcript of Alice Cooper's interview on Lee Mack's All Star Cast.
On this page (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=300) check out:
- the one posted Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:39 pm, which is the transcript of a July 1st article (that Google apparently didn't deem worthy enough to send out an alert for [ghost_angry]) about Depp, Pfeiffer and Bonham Carter shooting at the Collinwood exterior set.
- and the one posted Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:54 am, which is another report about shooting in Crowthorne (where the Transport Research Laboratory is located, so perhaps they were shotting there that day).
On this page (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=330) check out:
- the one posted Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:05 pm from someone who supposedly met Depp at Pinewood and saw him in full costume.
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Interesting. Someone asked if by "dashing traditional Vampire with a quirk" (or however the wording was), the person meant that Depp was costumed in a copy of one of the original Barnabas costumes, and they responded that the look for this Barnabas is "completely different." Which is what one would expect. It will be interesting though to see if they keep the ring and the cane...
G.
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I really wonder if I believe this poster... The info is so generic. And the fact that they don't want to give anything away... Really? I'm taking that report with a grain of salt. And how can he look totally different if A) his hair is the length of Frid's B) We have seen a cane... I guess it depends whether you are looking at 1772 Barnabas or 1972 Barnabas. But there's not really much you can do to change the costume of the character and still remain "traditional". If anything, I doubt the description "totally different" fits. There have to be some recognizable elements - even if it's just the fact that he wears a suit!
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The reason I said that post was made by someone who "supposedly" met Depp and saw him in costume is because it's so hard to know if their info is reliable or not. The reason they're not providing specifics makes perfect sense because of how secretive Burton always is - so they do have that on their side. But it's also a case that the fact that Burton is so secretive that makes it so much easier to make up stories because at this point there's no way to refute them. And one thing they don't have on their side which could make them more believable is a history with that board as they simply showed up out of the blue. Anyone can show up on a message board and they can claim anything. And when such people are unwilling to provide specifics, 9 times out of 10 it's because what they're saying is completely fabricated. They simply want attention, or to put something over on the regular posters, or both. So, who knows which set of circumstances are true in this case? Is Burton's secrecy behind the lack of specifics? Or is it because the story is all lies?
The remark that I find most fascinating, though, is in a totally different post. It's the one the runner at the Collinwood set made when he commented that even if Depp had been seen, he wouldn't have been recognizable. That begs all sorts of questions. And we know it's coming from a much more reliable source...
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Like you, I would take a lot of this stuff with a huge grain of salt (unless there are photos [ghost_wink] ). This Zone poster is brand new; I know some of the gals over there and if it had been someone I was familiar with, I'd put a lot more weight behind it than I do. But also remember that if it *were* legit, they would probably have had to sign confidentiality agreements and would not be able to provide specifics, anyway. So, just keep these tidbits and descriptions tucked away in the back of your mind, in case, but don't bank too much on 'em.
As for what the runner said, could it be that Johnny/Barnabas is not recognizable while in some kind of transformed vampiric state? The show didn't really have the resources to change Frid's appearance very much (with the exception of when he aged rapidly) but so much more is possible for a motion picture.
Anyway, going by the past few Burton films when we've sometimes been lucky enough to get thrown a bone of a brief look at character(s) before the filming is complete (which may be in a month or so, if they're on schedule), I'm still hoping we may get to see an actual image of someone from the cast (hopefully Johnny) soon! Drumming my fingers...
Cathy
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As for what the runner said, could it be that Johnny/Barnabas is not recognizable while in some kind of transformed vampiric state? The show didn't really have the resources to change Frid's appearance very much (with the exception of when he aged rapidly) but so much more is possible for a motion picture.
That's exactly what I was thinking. A while back I speculated that perhaps we should prepare ourselves for a very different vampire look than we're used to with DS. And the runner's remark *may* be the first evidence that that will possibly turn out to be true.
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Just because we've seen photos of Depp with a cane doesn't mean he'll have on as Barnabas. He may just have it because he's a fan of the original or to put us off track.
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Did I mention lately that my excited meter is on the verge of bursting! :) Thank you to all the cousins keeping us posted on then news. It's hard to put into words what this means to me. After 20 years of wanting DS to continue in some way, shape or form (besides a Giant snake with asthma of course) we are getting another shot with a lead actor and director who I personally feel is capable and terribly committed to trying to present the magic of DS to a new generation. My greatest hope is that the movie is a huge success and becomes a popular franchise.
I was so blessed to get into DS and build a great DS family. And now these are people I can't imagine not being a part of my life. So the main reasons I hope the movie is great and does well is because # 1 I want a resurgence in fandom and a franchise and #2 so other people can come into the DS family and see what the magic is all about!! :)
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As for what the runner said, could it be that Johnny/Barnabas is not recognizable while in some kind of transformed vampiric state?
Looks like we are all on the same page with that remark. I was thinking that, perhaps, he was referring to a newly released Barnabas or a Barnabas who has aged or rotted significantly. But, the altered vampiric state is also possible.
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It'll be interesting to see if they go with the Barnabas aging due to Dr. Hoffman's "experiments" angle. If they do, I would presume they might go with a different way for him to reverse the aging. It's one thing to attack an adult Carolyn - but it's quite another to attack a 14-year-old. Though, of course, they could do it. Though I'd wonder what sort of rating that might bring? If they're going for an R, it wouldn't matter. But I do wonder if they could do that and get a PG-13? [idontknow]
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It just hit me this morning: I wonder if the new photo on Helena Bonham Carter's Twitter page has any connection to the film's masquerade party?
Helena Bonham Carter @OfficialHelena (http://twitter.com/#!/OfficialHelena)
Perhaps yes... Perhaps no...
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MB, thanks for keeping us updated by posting the various tweets. It is much appreciated.
Nancy
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If that pic is not Helena in costume, it ought to be. Look at that blue jacket!
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the photograph of helena has absolutely nothing to do with the film...
it is an image from designer marc jacobs fall ad campaign. helena was chosen as his model.
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Thanks for the info, michael_c. [ghost_smiley]
(And speaking of Marc Jacobs - people make fun of some of the clothes worn during DS' 1970PT storyline, but compared to some of the things in Jacob's lines, those 1970PT clothes are positively subdued and staid! I swear some of his stuff in his ads looks like clown costumes - at least some of the men's clothes do...)
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# 1 I want a resurgence in fandom and a franchise and #2 so other people can come into the DS family and see what the magic is all about!! :)
Yes and yes!!! My only fear is that it'll be too different and updated since the original is so engrained on my brain... But I am very hopeful that it will have enough of the spirit of the original to maybe create its own new DS magic! Bring it on!
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I know I said you can't compare the timing of promotional campaigns, not even for films at the same studio, but that said I just saw a tweet from Warner Brothers that a few hours ago they released a teaser trailer for The Dark Knight Rises - and it started shooting only a about a week before DS - and both are still shooting. We should only be so lucky that very soon Warner Brothers might also release a teaser trailer for DS. But we probably shouldn't hold our breaths...
And another tweet from another actor who's doing something in DS:
abramwelsh Allan Williams
Suddenly got 2 days, or is it nights, on 'Dark Shadows' Thursday & Friday. Busy busy.
1 minute ago
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This is either complete foolishness or the weirdest bit of casting yet:
Johnny Depp gigs through 'Dark Shadows' with Megan Fox? (http://www.shadowlocked.com/201107182003/news/johnny-depp-gigs-through-dark-shadows-with-megan-fox.html)
[ghost_huh]
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Finally he's heard from on the subject of the film:
sethgs Seth Grahame-Smith
On my way to #WarnerBros to check out some #DarkShadows dailies.
1 minute ago
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Just in case I am not the only one out there who has never heard of Megan Fox (since she isn't identified in the article), here's her Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Fox
Maybe she shows up as one of Barn's victims? If I'm right that Depp/Burton are big fans of Leviathans and PT 1970, she may have a Marsha Mason moment and show up as the latest version of Audrey, the Leviathan Vampire Girl?
cheers, G.
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I just saw a tweet from Warner Brothers that a few hours ago they released a teaser trailer for The Dark Knight Rises - and it started shooting only a about a week before DS -
This is true. The new trailer plays before Harry Potter that was just released this weekend. Although, it doesn't really have a huge amount of footage from the new film, just a few brief flashes here and there. Mostly it relies on images from the previous two films and title sequenes "This is where it all ends" etc etc to build up excitement and momentum going into next summer. But really, with a movie franchise as big as Nolan's Batman, they don't need it.
And on the subject of Megan Fox, I DEARLY PRAY AND HOPE TO GOD that she is NOWHERE NEAR the new DS film. I cannot stand her and she is a TERRIBLE actress. I don't mean to hate, but I just can't help it. I seriously do wish and hope that this is one of those crazy rumors that someone started.
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at best fox would be something of a cameo. there simply isn't another major part available that hasn't already been cast...
as gothick suggests perhaps a vampire victim...ruby tate? maude browning? something of that sort.
[ghost_tongue]
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Josette.
Yes. It's a totally wild idea I am throwing out there, but think of the possibilities. If two different actresses played Josette and Barnabas's new love interest, a lot of the tension of the original would be brought back in a new way. Once again, we would see how completely twisted, depressed, obsessed (and insane) Barnabas can be. Having two different actresses play the part could help audiences better understand the problem of Barnabas Collins. His desire to recreate Josette in a completely different person (actress) would exemplify a big part of the Barnabas hangup.
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Possible Movie Spoilers.
I found a list of possible spoilers from the DS movie on another website. I attempted to cut-and-paste the info here, but was unable to do so. Is the cut-and-paste feature disabled on this site? Then, I tried to insert a hyper-link, and that wouldn't work either.
Can someone advise me of the best way to post that information here? Or at least link to it? It is too lengthy to re-type. And yes, of course - I planned to hide the spoilers using the spoiler feature.
Thank you.
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Probably the easiest way to paste info here is to copy whatever you'd like from another Web site, come here and position your cursor wherever you want to paste it, and then hit CTRL+V (hold the control key down on your keyboard and then hit the V key). Voila! [ghost_wink]
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The latest tweets:
RobNerantzoulis
Morning tweeters! Today I'm doing some filming on Dark Shadows the new Tim Burton film! Excited!!! Off to pinewood;):);)
9 hours ago
(He describes himself in his profile as "Actor, Model, Dancer".
moon_tan
So excited they are filming Dark Shadows. Like the Collinwood set outside @DarkShadowsNews @PinewoodStudios @TimBurtonNews @Bella_Heathcote
7 hours ago
BarnabasCoLLins
☂We ran into Patti Smith in London when she dropped by the set of #DarkShadows to visit with her good friend #JohnnyDepp http://is.gd/57frux
5 hours ago
("Eyeliner epic" - that's certainly a good way to describe the original show! [ghost_cheesy] (And I certainly understand her obsession with Adele’s ‘Rolling in the Deep.'))
emzrhodes
Looking forward to a change of film set: from early starts on #Streetdance2 to a night shoot tonight on Burtons's #DarkShadows
4 hours ago
(Have no idea if she's acting or working behind the scenes. And IMDb doesn't list her in any capacity with Streetdance2.)
ItsMaggiecal
Just got this text: "R U free to be a nurse in Tim Burton's Dark Shadows nightshoot?" Omfg!! I soooo wish I was in London now, not Norway...
2 hours ago
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Hmmm - I missed this tweet from the 17th:
msjamiefrufru Jamie Ryan
I know everyone is excited over the Dark Knight Rises trailer, but There is a Collinwood cut out in the lobby of the theatre #Barnabusftw
17 Jul
Could that really mean what it seems to mean?
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No more scenes, please. From the Forum Guidelines:
2. These forums also do not accept fan fiction and such works are subject to removal.
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Thank you, neiljohnson, for sharing the spoilers that you came across. [ghost_smiley] However, Midnite and I have decided that the best way for people who want to avoid spoilers to avoid them and to be less tempted to read them is to create a completely separate spoliers topic. So that's what we've done. And the spoilers that you've shared have been moved to that topc. And now people can read that topic at their own risk. [ghost_wink]
I do have to confess that I'm really tempted to read them. But at the same time I much prefer to have everything play out while I watch the film rather than knowing things beforehand...
Thanks again.
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MillyJabba Michele Baker
Work quiet, just missed out on work on Dark Shadows, hopefully I may get another chance!! Looks like there's going to be alot going on
23 minutes ago
Hmmm - wonder what she missed out on? There is a Michele Baker on IMDb who has worked on numerous films as a location manager.
Plus there's this exchange:
RichMingus
One day left till Comic-Con, guess I should start getting ready. Little bummed there's no @ChloeGMoretz or Dark Shadows preview. #SDCC
3 hours ago
(He as well as us. [ghost_sad])
punshr2099
@RichMingus U never know. Last year schedule changed daily.
1 hour ago
RichMingus
@punshr2099 I know she won't be there for sure (filming in London at the moment), but it would be nice for a Dark Shadows quick look. :)
1 hour ago
RichMingus
@punshr2099 She was just back in LA a couple of weeks ago, so no overnights for her.
1 hour ago
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I would just die if at the end of the credits it said "Dark Shadows is a Tim Burton Production!" ;)
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10 Youngsters Destined to be the Next Big Thing (http://flickeringmyth.blogspot.com/2011/07/10-youngsters-destined-to-be-next-big.html)
Chloe Moretz is on the list - and DS is mentioned.
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Thanks Moderators, for creating the Spoiler thread. I was very unsure how to appropriately post the information, knowing some might prefer to avoid spoilers. A specific thread for spoilers is a wise way to handle it. Thanks again.
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No more scenes, please. From the Forum Guidelines:
2. These forums also do not accept fan fiction and such works are subject to removal.
Sorry, Midnite. Never thought of tongue-in-cheek "scenes" as fan-fiction. Certainly nothing to which I would consider attributing my authorship. Just an easy way to make commentary, I guess - as it has been done before to many readers' delight. I won't do it again, but, I absolutely disagree that it is in any way, shape, or form fan fiction, literary, or of value. And I would consider mostly any qualified "fiction" to be of some literary value, and not just a way to go about making snarky commentary - though you can certainly have commentary within said works. But, like I said, I won't do it again.
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I would just die if at the end of the credits it said "Dark Shadows is a Tim Burton Production!" ;)
Agreed! That would be a cool little tongue-in-cheek moment for those of use who are familiar with the original series.
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More tweets:
xjodiexjonesx
Today went and visited the set of johnny depps new film dark shadows, there building some castle building x
1 hour ago
And who the hell knows what this is about (well, other than the obvious):
Beach_Hut_No49
@PinewoodStudios your #Gransfors axe order for #DarkShadows movie is on its way from @WealddownMuseum good luck with the filming!
2 hours ago
And apparently now there are dueling Thomas McDonells on Twitter. One account, which has been around for quite a while (@ThomasMcDonell, who has certainly seemed to be the real deal - at least DS News and some of the other stars of the DS film seem to think so) and one that just popped up today (@RealTMcDonell). Neither are verified - but @Thomas McDonell says he doesn't see any reason to have his account verified when anyone that matter knows he's the real one...
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Just an easy way to make commentary, I guess - as it has been done before to many readers' delight.
Not here. [ghost_wink]
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Well, the Hermes panel will have at least one attendee:
TheWomanInBlack Debi Moore
@bradmiska I'm hating TB so much I'm probably going to skip the panel & hit Dark Shadows instead. Couldn't care less what Ball has planned.
5 hours ago
New details about his role from Allan Williams:
abramwelsh
Playing a pensioner I walk on set with a walking stick, as per wardrobe; 2nd AD: "Do you need that?" me: "No, it's a prop". He didn't laugh.
2 hours ago
RepsolRuss
@abramwelsh no sense of humor then
2 hours ago
abramwelsh
@RepsolRuss We must make allowances They earn their money Sometimes they haven't got time to fart let alone laugh
1 hour ago
(And apparently he was surprised when DS News started following him. [ghost_grin])
And I don't know, but Pinewood sure treats her like she's the real deal:
PinewoodStudios
@liilyrosedepp Thanks for the mention
14 hours ago
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The second part of her profile:
Scousers in Hollywood: Liverpool stuntwoman Eunice Huthart on working on Tim Burton’s latest movie and being pals with Angelina Jolie (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/in-the-mix/2011/07/19/scousers-in-hollywood-liverpool-stuntwoman-eunice-huthart-on-working-on-tim-burton-s-latest-movie-and-being-pals-with-angelina-jolie-100252-29078223/)
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Latest tweets:
emzrhodes
Living a nocturnal existence after my #Darkshadows film stint. On route home @ 6am completely sober - fighting commuters is not so fun.
2 hours ago
DeppInMyPants
OMGOMG JOHNNY DEPP HAS BEEN FILMING TODAY FOR DARK SHADOWS. I'm thinking of coincidently going for a tour around the studios. :')
1 hour ago
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A previous and a new tweeter heard from:
jossbaysurfing
Off to Pinewood this afternoon for a night shoot for Dark Shadows.....
6 hours ago
tomduffy88 Tom Duffy
@ChloeGMoretz are you filming dark shadows in pinewood? I'm in tomorrow as an extra.
6 hours ago
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With regard to tomorrow's DS panel at Comic Con, this person on JOHNNYDEPPZONE (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&sid=f518dce95da2480653a17a235f003faf&start=360) describes a certain someone's methods so well, and yet they're probably barely even aware of him:
Some movie news is promised, but as early in the process as the film is, expect them to wait till the very end and tease you with very little.
And this is someone else's reaction to that comment:
[8311]
We can relate. [ghost_wink]
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Well, I bet we're all so excited today - less than 12 hours until the Hermes panel at Comic Con is done and the world learns the "surprises about the upcoming Tim Burton film starring Johnny Depp". I bet Twitter will be all atwitter with the news! ... uh-huh.
But getting back to the world of reality, here are some of the latest tweets - and apparently something big is actually up so far as today's filming goes:
jossbaysurfing
Just been on set with Johnny Depp and Christopher Lee!! Mental : )
11 hours ago
ChloeGMoretz
bigg day today :) can't say anything...but you'll all be excited once I can announce it :) xxxxxxxxx
6 hours ago
(Hopefully she's not simply referring to the fact that Christopher Lee is shooting today. But I suspect she is and is completely unaware that the previous tweet had already gone out)
multidyer
Dark Shadows action props department are giving us some freelance work! Back on board...hurray!!!
5 hours ago
jossbaysurfing
Suns out at Pinewood, Moving boats around this morning!! Shooting in the afternoon ........
4 hours ago
I wonder if the boat they bought will be making its appearance today?
chloempmakeup
About to start a crowd day! Busy busy!
3 hours ago
RobNerantzoulis
Is an angel bay canary man under the influence of Eva Green today. I'm set in the 70's if only u cud see me!!
2 hours ago
Phoenix_James
Safely back at @PinewoodStudios to shoot scenes for Dark Shadows. Tim Burton & Johnny Depp. 1 of most amazing film sets I've seen thus far.
11 minutes ago
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Went checking through Phoenix_James older tweets to see if I missed anything and came across these which may be related to DS:
Phoenix_James
It's a wrap on costume fitting. Heading back across town. Loving my outfit! I need to hit vintage shops and get some 70's heels in my life.
6 Jul
Phoenix_James
Its a wrap! Amazing day! However, a 2.30am rise for set this morning, 12hrs in heels, tight pants & an itchy wig has totally kicked my ass.
12 Jul
On the IMDb front, I see where the film climbed to #455 (from #486) on this week's MOVIEmeter (based mostly on Depp's new Disney deals). And I also see where there's been a shuffle in the top 4 of the cast. Eva Green fell down from being listed second to being listed fourth (because her ranking on STARmeter fell from #39 to #193), so Helena Bonham Carter moved up to second (and her ranking jumped from #65 to #20, thanks in great part to tons of Harry Potter publicity) and Chloe Moretz moved up to third (and her ranking jumped from #73 to #44, thanks mostly to Hugo Cabret publicity(the first trailer of which was released last week)). But when it comes to Chloe, apparently you can't keep someone who's "Destined to be the Next Big Thing" down for long. [ghost_wink]
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I see where Ridley Scott's Prometheus (DS' filming mate at Pinewood) released a photo and showed a teaser trailer at Comic Con (though Twentieth Century Fox had an entire panel devoted to it). We should only be so lucky that even a photo gets shown/released of the Depp/DS film at the Hermes panel tonight. Well, so long as it's not just a photo of the Collinwood exterior set. [ghost_wink]
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And this is someone else's reaction to that comment:
[8311]
We can relate. [ghost_wink]
[laughing4]
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Vampire Wire: Lorelei Bell, author of VAMPIRE ASCENDING, Guest Blogs About Dark Shadows.
What I hope the new movie Dark Shadows to be like . . .
and not. (http://vampirewire.blogspot.com/2011/07/lorelei-bell-author-of-vampire.html)
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An interesting documentary about a film Johnny Depp was supposed to star in, but which sadly fell apart. Don Quixote has been Terry Gilliam's for years. Johnny Depp was cast as a XXth century ad executive somehow transported back into the past as Sancho! It is kinda fun to see Depp actually working...
http://youtu.be/8YAxy41vN1Q (http://youtu.be/8YAxy41vN1Q)
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Several people have tweeted that they're at Hermes' DS panel. Let's see if any of them report anything to get excited about...
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spotliteonENT
Many of the original cast went to Pinewood and spent three days on the set of the movie Dark Shadows. #comiccon #darkshadows
16 seconds ago
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KazrenPirate KazrenPirate
Laura Parker & Kathryn Leigh Scott were on Dark Shadows set with Jonathan Frid
1 minute ago
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spotliteonENT spotliteonENT
Laura Parker & Kathryn Leigh Scott are speaking on the Dark Shadows panel at Comic Con. Talking about going on set with Jonathan Frid
18 seconds ago
It's amazing how many people don't know it's Lara Parker!
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alonelikmacauly alonelikmacauly
Audience of hardcore fans seem worried burton and depp are going to ruin dark shadows. Old stars had to calm them down.
34 seconds ago
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Well, I suppose that's about it. A bit more than I expected because I didn't expect LP and KLS to talk about being on the set. But was that in any way a surprise? No. We already knew for certain that LP and Frid were on set. And anyone who knows KLS could have easily figured out she'd be there too. [ghost_wink]
If you ask me, the actual surprises weren't at all related to what was told to the audience - the real surprises were for the stars and Pierson when they were confronted with the audience's fears about the film. But perhaps whatever the stars said to calm the audience will also calm that entire faction of fandom. I suppose we'll see...
And if any footage of the panel gets posted to YouTube, as was the case with some of last year's panel, I suppose it might be interesting to see/hear them talking about being on the set. Well. so long as the discussion is at least in part about the actual set and not all about them simply being together on the set - and I'm sure everyone here knows exactly what I mean by that. [ghost_wink]
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One more bit of news: a report on JOHNNYDEPPREADS says that while LP and KLS said they couldn't tell the audience what Depp looks like as Barnabas, they did say that he looks "beautiful."
I wonder just how long Barn's look for the film is going to remain under wraps? [ghost_rolleyes]
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indeed miss scott likes to keep her association with DS front and center. so there's no way she'd allow something as juicy as this film go by without attempting to participate in some way...
i'll bet pomegranate press already has a book in the works. [ghost_wink]
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I'm wondering that too, MB. I would have thought that at the very least, a pub photo of Depp in character as Barn would have been released by now.
I guess Burton is really just enjoying building up the suspense...
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A photo of Depp as Barnabas probably won't be released until later this year. October would be a nice time to start promotion since Halloween is during that month and DS is VERY supernatural. I wouldn't be surprised if a trailer premiered before something horrid like Paranormal Activity 3.
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Highlights of the panel:
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/45908/san-diego-comic-con-2011-dark-shadows-panel-highlights-original-cast-cameos-confirmed-tim
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Very nice photos. But, um:
When did DC adopt Pierson? Or are we to assume he's been DC's illegitimate son all along? [ghost_huh]
And I think they switched around which film (hoDS or NoDS) will be restored with "previously edited" footage. (But if anyone wants to comment on that, please do so in the "hoDS/NoDS DVD Release" topic. [ghost_smiley]
As for the rest, it's really nice to see that Depp continues to be extremely gracious. And, well, it's not really that surprising that David Selby will also cameo in the film. (What would be surprising is if someone like Alexandra Moltke or Kate Jackson did - but alas...)
Thanks for posting the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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I was hoping for a Selby cameo!
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And you have gotten it. [ghost_wink]
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Nice to hear about Selby's participation. I was wondering whether his schedule would permit him to do it, if they offered it to him.
MB, the way I read the report, "Dan Curtis's son" is somebody other than Jim Pierson. But I never knew Dan had a son. I had heard about a daughter or daughters. But then, I'm hardly an authority on the Curtis bio.
I am glad that Cobert's original theme will "figure" in the film. I'd rather have more Cobert cues interwoven with the usual Danny Elfman Mickey Mouse stuff. But they're not making this movie for this likes of yours truly.
Michael, I'm sure you're right about Pom Press already planning the Depp Shadows book. LOL! That is exactly why I take whatever KLS says about the movie with hefty helpings of salt. It's just the latest option in her very own cottage industry.
On with the motley!
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Once again, see what happens when you read something quickly before you've had your morning caffeine. [ghost_wink] [ghost_embarrassed]
But in my defense, Curtis' son was never mentioned as being a part of the panel - nor is he identified in any way in the photo (if that is indeed him sitting next to Pierson). And like you, I don't believe I've ever heard of him before. But then, I've never really paid attention to DC's personal life.
As for Pom Press, KLS sold that off years ago. But, of course, that doesn't mean that its new leadership can't do a book about the film. [ghost_wink] And after all, it is Pom Press that's publishing KLS' new novel, so she obviously still has an association with them.
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DC did only have daughters-- two survived him.
Is it me, or does the guy in the photo look like (DS fan) Michael Culhane?
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OK, so that just makes any mention of DC's son in that report all the more bizarre. But then, obviously the writer didn't exactly get all his facts correct, anyway, so... [ghost_rolleyes]
And I don't think I know Michael Culhane. [ghost_undecided]
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OK, I just realized who Michael Culhane is - and it does kinda look like him. Hmmm...
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i was not aware that ms. scott had sold pomegranate press...
when did she sell? at the fest every year she's still seated at a table filled with pom press books so it seems like she still has an interest in those books selling.
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obviously the writer didn't exactly get all his facts correct
her facts [ghost_wink]
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The writer got their facts wrong. Dan Curtis didn't have a son. The pictured person is indeed Michael Culhane.
And yes, indeed, it's looking like Night of Dark Shadows is on the path to restoration. Very very positive signs lately.
The writer also lumped in HODS with NODS, which may cause some confusion, thinking that HODS is going to be restored as well. It isn't-- the missing footage still isn't known to exist.
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Begin tirade.
I am hoping that Cobert's theme will do more than just "play a part". What kind of silliness is that? His theme should be THE theme. There is no reason it shouldn't be. The movie is set in the early '70s. There is no greater Horror composer than Cobert for that time period. Preceded by B. Hermann and J. Bernard and followed up by J. Goldsmith, Cobert defines this era of horror. For his music to only figure in or play a part is disrespectful to the beautiful art he created. Elfman needn't do a re-score of all the original music as he did for the remake of Psycho (It would be nice if he did); but, just as with that movie, the music is what makes Dark Shadows. It has always distinctly been Cobert - It was even going to be him in the WB series. To not have Cobert is bad enough, but to just have his main theme "figure in" is a terrible oversight. Even if Quentin and Josette are not present, I would at least expect to hear their themes used - even if it is just as party music during the masquerade where the original actors make cameos But, Josette's Music Box could easily be used for Victoria or the 1772 flashback. And if we got a sequel with Quentin, Shadows of the Night should be used there. And I'd like some Cobert stings as well. I don't ask for much, but I do ask that Elfman study Cobert and his original compositions and lift major parts of his work for integration into the film. Otherwise he's writing for something, but it won't be Dark Shadows.
End tirade. [ghost_cheesy]
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I thought there were two Pom Presses--the one owned by KLS, and the one that does all the high quality calendars, greeting cards, etc. If they are one and the same I would guess that she did sell it, but maybe with the proviso that they would continue to do her DS books, etc.
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Cousin Barnabas - If the possable spoilers are true, your right, this will be something but not Dark Shadows. It may even be a great movie, just not a DS movie.
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The writer got their facts wrong. ... The writer also lumped in HODS with NODS, which may cause some confusion, thinking that HODS is going to be restored as well.
The sad, though certainly not unexpected, thing is that links to the article are being tweeted left and right today and other Web sites are picking up and reporting the same misinformation. Of course, it's hardly the first or last time spreading misinformation about DS will happen. Though what's really sad is a whole lot of people are going to accept the misinformation as fact. Not only are they going to be confused when there's no missing footage restored to hoDS, they're going to be disappointed - and it will all be traceable to that writer who couldn't get her facts right...
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For me, it is gratifying that, after over 40 years, Dark Shadows is still a popular attraction. Debb/Burton will do everything they can to recapture the energy and spirit of the original series, but they must also appeal to a "Modern" audience. That means making adjustments that the most devoted fans may find painful. If the show fails at the Box Office, we will not see any sequels. We must keep Dark Shadows going far into the future. [ghost_wink]
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Borgosi, [spoiler]if you count the number of cameos and compare it to something stated in the spoilers, you will note a discrepancy.[/spoiler] Just something to consider. (Spoiler for MB and others, as it refers to a specific spoiler - though it's not really a spoiler. Just being safe.)
MHT, absolutely! I just disagree with those who would say that using more than 30 seconds of the original score would do anything to ward off modern audiences. The main themes (Dark Shadows, Josette's Music Box, and Shadows of the Night) are timeless compositions of popular television and should be incorporated as much as they are relevant. They needn't be reinvented, altered, changed, or minimized in the new film. Elfman should embrace Cobert's work and use as much of it as he can. There's no reason not to.
Otherwise, I suggest they promptly ditch him and give Cobert the job. No. This is not an important concern of mine at all. [ghost_wink]
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Oops - missed this tweet this morning:
Phoenix_James
Super time on set with Johnny Depp & Eva Green yesterday @PinewoodStudios. Tim Burton is Awesome and Johnny is... something else! #Thankful
13 hours ago
And he's the actual tweet that was reported on by JOHNNYDEPPREADS:
@OhJohnnyKazren
They were not allowed to say what Johnny looked like, but Lara Parker said, "Beautiful" several times and "sexy."
Jul 22
And as for Bob Cobert scoring the Depp/DS film, he's made it quite clear that he doesn't want the job. And one can't really expect one artist to simply reinterpret another's work. Danny Elfman probably doesn't mind utilizing Cobert's main theme in the film, but one can't really expect him to rework/reinterpret Cobert's other pieces rather than write his own and put his own stamp on the film.
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I can, MB. [ghost_wink]
The music is as much a part of Dark Shadows as the characters of Barnabas and Victoria. A Dark Shadows lacking the main themes is not really Dark Shadows. I don't expect him to reinterpret Cobert's music for his whole score, though he did it for Psycho. I don't need the incidentals. But, I do expect him to channel Cobert in every way he can when it comes to established musical themes. Unfortunately for Elfman, Dark Shadows isn't a new work. It's a remake - not of a book, but of another piece of "film" - and with a remake of such a work comes certain expectations: that all of the important elements of the original are held together so that it is recognizable as being based on the original. They can be re-arranged or reinterpreted, but they should still be present. The music is not something you can remove from Dark Shadows no matter how hard you try. Like I said, I'm not asking for much, just that he uses established character themes if those characters are involved. I'm more understanding if they aren't. But it is inexcusable to create a completely different score for a work that already has an established repertoire of music, just as there is an established repertoire of characters, just because you want to put your own stamp on something. If you have a burning desire to leave your mark, do it on something which hasn't been done before. Otherwise, respect the original source material by using the important elements. And, imo, there are few elements more important than Cobert's main themes.
Take a look at Star Wars. It is originally a film. If you were to remake it, there would be the expectation that you include the main theme, of course. But, the expectation is also inherent that you maintain "The Imperial March" and "The Force" themes. Those themes are as important to the feel of Star Wars as Darth Vader and Han Solo. Just as Cobert's other main themes are essential to Dark Shadows. Trust me, if someone were to write a new piece to take the place of the Imperial March simply because he wanted to leave a mark on the new version, I can guarantee you that there would be blood spilled. I feel that expecting any less of Elfman to maintain and utilize original themes is doing an injustice to the original source material, fans, and Cobert himself.
And, yes, I know Cobert has declined the job, but he did mention royalties. [ghost_wink] I'd hope for him that there are a great many royalties to be reaped.
Again, just my very strong opinion on the matter. But, I feel I have a right to have a strong opinion - as should other fans of the original and revival. There are three things which have held Dark Shadows together in all of its various forms and through all of its plot lines: The name Collins, the house called Collinwood, and Bob Cobert's music. Nothing else - not even the presence of the supernatural (just some strong allusions to it). [ghost_nowink]
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i was not aware that ms. scott had sold pomegranate press...
when did she sell?
From the article Lunch: Moguls, Mavens and a Vampire Primer (http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/lunch-moguls-mavens-and-a-vampire-primer_b8604), dated April 30, 2008:
"These days the absolutely ageless Kathryn, having sold her incredibly successful imprint Pomegranate Press which published countless tomes on Dark Shadows and other pop cultural touchstones, is concentrating her considerable talents on writing fiction. Her first novel, Murder in Primetime, was a hit and now she’s hard at work on her next thriller."
The article was first linked to here:
This article indicates in part that Katheryn Leigh Scott sent Johnny Depp her entire DS book collection to help him prepare for the role of Barnabas Collins.
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/lunch/lunch_moguls_mavens_and_a_vampire_primer_83683.asp
And the selling of Pom Press was first referenced on the forum here:
Interesting. The link also indicates that KLS has sold Pomegranate Press.
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filming began in May and continues into the fall.
Hmmm - previous reports have given a completion date of August 12th or "sometime in August" for shooting. But August is not in the fall. Fall doesn't arrive until September 23rd.
Shooting from about mid-May into just about mid-August was already a long shoot. Going into September and possibly beyond will be REALLY long! Wow...
Though doesn't The Lone Ranger begin shooting in October? Not that Depp hasn't gone from one film right into another with very little time in between. And if what Thomas McDonell has lead us to believe is true, Depp would actually complete his portion of the film before McDonell even begins his. And in some of McDonell's interviews, he did say that he wouldn't begin shooting until fall (though he also said near the end of summer, which some reports took to mean late-August/early-September - and he also said the film was already shooting in April when it wasn't)...
But whatever - shooting will end when it ends. [ghost_wink]
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another thing about the article "Parker has her third "Angelique" book coming out, and it's based on both original and new characters. It's called The Salem Branch and is about Angelique's first incarnation as a witch in Salem, Massachusetts." wasn't that the title and plot of her 2nd book?
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I also noticed that LdyAnne. I'd really love to see a video of this panel so we could hear it all for ourselves. Perhaps a third book was mentioned and then she name dropped the second book. Who knows? The author obviously mixed up some of her notes when writing the piece.
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thanks for the link mysterious...
interesting article. although calling KLS the show's "lead" actress is something of a stretch. [ghost_wink]
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Let's face it the article got more wrong than it got right. Is that something you really want to trust?
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(The person who wrote that particular article is a personal friend of KLS, has interviewed her several times, and KLS has mentioned her on more than one occasion through the years (and given her admiration for KLS, I suppose we can overlook her describing KLS as one of DS' lead actresses [ghost_wink]), so she was far more likely to get KLS' personal life correct than she was anything else. And it's also worth noting that KLS never corrected her on the subject of her having sold Pom Press. And as anyone who knows how KLS operates can attest, she's never one to let something written about her slide if it isn't true. So, it's pretty hard to imagine she would have in this case - particularly when the article itself invites corrections. Also, and perhaps more important, it's not the only article on KLS where it's been written that she'd sold Pom Press - it just happens to be the one that's linked to and commented on here on the forum...)
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KLS is a nice lady but something of a smooth operator...
over time she's engineered her association with the series and in particular josette dupres into slightly more than it actually was.
depending on the time period and storyline "leading lady" status was granted to alexandra moltke, joan bennett, grayson hall or lara parker. at it's best it was never KLS with the possible exception of the three months she played josette as an actual flash-and-blood character during the 1795 period. there it could be argued she was the "lead".
true she did receive an elevation in status when moltke left the program and maggie was brought in as collinwood governess, junior sophisticate and resident ingenue-in-distress. but otherwise it was strictly supporting.
but like i said she worked her time on the series into a very profitable business. [ghost_wink]
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I'd really love to see a video of this panel so we could hear it all for ourselves.
So far I haven't come across anything that's been posted of this year's panel. But perhaps something still will be. Or perhaps someone who knows how to search YouTube better than I do will come up with something I've missed...
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Perhaps a third book was mentioned and then she name dropped the second book. Who knows? The author obviously mixed up some of her notes when writing the piece.
Lara has been working on the third book for at least 2 fests.
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(The discussion of KLS' acting status (leading or supporting) has been split off into its own topic. Once it took on a life of its own, it in no way had anything to do with the Depp/DS film. But then, that's why the system provides us with a split function - so that if/when tangential discussions take on lives of their own, they can get their own topics. [ghost_wink])
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Aww, MB. Now I have to actually check on multiple topics. [ghost_shocked]
Somehow, I thought my save at the end of my last post would be enough to avoid this catastrophe. [ghost_tongue2]
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(Not soon enough. [ghost_nowink] Maybe if you'd tried it in your post previous to that one. [ghost_wink])
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Pssh. That would've been unfair to Michael. [ghost_wink]
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Re: Josette
Her importance has more to do with the fact that her character is ever-present in nearly every single storyline (in a variety of ways), which, going back to the movie, is why I find it odd that there has been no official mention of her. It's a distinct shake-up in terms of the interpretation of original DS-canon
Josette hasn't been mentioned by name with regard to the Depp/DS film, but she has been mentioned repeatedly by inference because Vicki's character is most often described as resembling Barnabas' lost love. Though, of course, only those of us already familiar with DS would attach a name to that lost love. [ghost_wink] But somehow something tells me that we can doubt that the script is going to rename her Hermione or Wilhelmina or some such. [ghost_grin]
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Pssh. That would've been unfair to Michael. [ghost_wink]
Face it. You strayed too far off topic. You were split. But it's all good as that's why there's a split function. End of discussion. [ghost_smiley]
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It appears filming will be done at Beckenhamtown Park the next few days although that is up in the air. http://www.beckenhamtown.us/forum/topics/johnny-depp-filming-beckenham
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Twitter has been abuzz? Hmmm - I checked not all that long ago and nothing new came up. Though that may be because they're not mentioning DS in their tweets...
I'll check with some other search criteria later tonight...
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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This photo is suppose have been taken at a golf course at Beckenham(?) http://instagr.am/p/IbtFE
I obtained this from http://johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=1467879 dated today, lower portion in the thread.
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That sign looks just like the one that was (is?) at the Collinwood exterior set. [ghost_wink]
This time this tweet came up that does indeed mention DS:
tomwarren
Johnny Depp filming Dark Shadows in Beckenham Place Park tonight/tomorrow
8 hours ago
Last time only tweets made during the past 4 hours came up and then Twitter displayed a notice that "Older Tweet results are unavailable." That's been happening a lot lately. But not this time. [ghost_smiley] And there are actually quite a few tweets if one searches using Depp's name - though all they say is that he's expected to shoot there. Some also say to post photos at the site jimbo linked to, so it'll be interesting to see if anyone manages to catch Depp or any of the other stars, or if it will be like the Collinwood exterior set where everyone was kept at bay by security guards and German Shepherds...
In other Twitter news there's this puzzling tweet (which was made in response to a July 6th tweet about the Collinwood exterior set):
heather_p32
@TimBurtonNews I live just nearby & annoyingly was pencilled in to work on "Dark Shadows" too.
2 hours ago
Why would working there be annoying. Many of us would practically kill at the chance! [ghost_grin]
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Barnabas learns to play golf, the true gentleman's sport... [ghost_cheesy] Wonder if they are just using the grounds or actually are going to have a country-club Roger. [ghost_rolleyes]
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That would be a hoot and a half, Cousin_Barnabas! [ghost_cheesy]
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They're back:
CapnZeus
Another day filming on Dark Shadows (@ Pinewood Studios) http://4sq.com/oKi5Kj
1 hour ago
(And. frustratingly, another something that only his friends on foursquare.com can see. [ghost_rolleyes])
Phoenix_James
Morning world! Who's awake, where are you & what are you doing? I'm on a bus to Euston to catch a coach for @PinewoodStudios for film shoot.
5 hours ago
Phoenix_James
Safely arrived back @PinewoodStudios for movie Dark Shadows. Been in hair & make-up getting my wig & sideburns put on. Now having breakfast.
1 hour ago
And he's back a Pinewood (even though I don't think we've seen anything from him before):
DavidLyddon
am at pinewood for some more dark shadows:)
2 hours ago
I love this one:
FreakWithRights Serena-Saurus.
@ChelseyMooreX Need Desperate help! How am I supposed to react if I see the cast of Dark Shadows?! Tim Burton, Helena.B.Carter, AND DEPP!
2 hours ago
And there's this exchange:
LadyMissEllen Ellen Crawshaw
@TobySpanton Ah, I've heard about that one! Hope it's good. Just finished Richard II (medieval, Shakespeare) and on Dark Shadows today. x
18 minutes ago
TobySpanton
@LadyMissEllen Great to be busy isn't it! Enjoy Dark Shadows, I'd like to do some of that just to see their sets, I've heard they're great.
1 minute ago
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More of the exchange:
LadyMissEllen
@TobySpanton I know! There's lots on, innit?! The sets are beyond amazing. I WANT TO LIVE HERE!
6 hours ago
moon_tan
@LadyMissEllen @TobySpanton I can't wait to see the new Dark Shadows movie in 2012, but please NO rock n roll soundtrack
2 hours ago
And this one is funny:
abramwelsh
I get booked for Dark Shadows @ Pinewood 32 miles from home. I don't get booked for Dark Shadows @ Beckenham 3 miles from home. fnar! fnar!
5 hours ago
And who knows if this is true or not:
KateNelson999 Kate Nelson
Security at Beckenham Place Park insist only extras will be filming there for Dark Shadows from tomorrow- no Johnny Depp ever...so they say
15 minutes ago
But hey - at this point I'd even take photos of only extras over no photos of anyone. [ghost_grin]
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The Beckenham site (http://www.beckenhamtown.us/forum/topics/johnny-depp-filming-beckenham) was updated 8 minutes ago. Apparently there are conflicting reports as some say only extras, while others say Depp will be shooting. However, as we learned with these types of situations with the whole Ashville debacle, just because someone says something about Depp presence (or future presence), that doesn't make it true...
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Another place requesting photos: Johnny Depp shooting for film Dark Shadows in Beckenham Place Park (http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/bromley/9159027.Johnny_Depp_filming_in_Beckenham_Place_Park/?ref=twtrec)
And I don't know where this person got this info, but...
AnotherTongue
IVAN KAYE is filming new Tim Burton film 'Dark Shadows' where he plays Johnny Depp's father.
39 minutes ago
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According to this tweet from yesterday afternoon:
clairehogg Claire Hogg
@Beckenham Sadly very little going on there at the moment! Though it looks like they're filming on the golf course in front of the mansion!
22 hours ago
Several photos of the mansion can be found here:
The Friends of Beckenham Place Park
Mansion Picture Gallery (http://www.beckenhamplaceparkfriends.org.uk/mansion.htm)
And if you scroll down on the about page (http://www.beckenhamplaceparkfriends.org.uk/about.htm) of The Friends of Beckenham Place Park's site, there's a good photo of the front of the mansion.
It would be quite interesting IF the mansion is playing the part of the Old House IF there's even an Old House in the film. But who knows...
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Phoenix_James
Its a wrap! Tiredness and sleep have been chasing me down have caught me and are kicking my ass right now as you read this. Send my bed.
1 hour ago
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As of 5 minutes ago reports of "jumpy" and "on edge" security and lots of lorries (trucks) arriving at Beckenham Place Park. Security is telling people nothing is being shot until tomorrow night, but people are wondering if that's true or just a put on to get them to leave...
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It would be quite interesting IF the mansion is playing the part of the Old House IF there's even an Old House in the film. But who knows...
That was my first thought. And my second thought was perhaps the Liverpool home, from which the family is leaving at the beginning of the story.
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Now the story security is telling is that shooting is taking place tonight but only inside the house. But to me that seems like more of a bigger fib than that they weren't going to shoot until tomorrow because why would they have to shoot inside the house at night? There are tarps specifically designed to drape over windows to block all the light to allow the shooting of night scenes during the day. (They were used at Lyndhurst for both DS movies and at Greystone for the '91 DS.) And somehow I think the production knows about them. But who knows? ... Though whether what's being said is true or not will come out eventually...
In other Twitter news:
RobNerantzoulis
I feel like I've done a whole days work already!! I have been working since 6am tho and I cud be working till 6pm!!
14 hours ago
RobNerantzoulis
It's been 13 hour working day! Dead.com
5 hours ago
RobNerantzoulis
Nearly home. Spent whole day on set 2day doin day 2 of a scene that's worth +-30secs! Amazing wat detail goes into a blockbusta,perfection!!
3 hours ago
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sethgs Seth Grahame-Smith
7,000 hours until #DarkShadows hits theaters!
8 minutes ago
I think I like counting down the days, hours, minutes, and seconds better. [wink2]
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A reply from Chris Mullen, who's working on the film as a production assistant:
Darkershadeofme
“@sethgs: 7,000 hours until #DarkShadows hits theaters!” < Is that all? I'd best start looking for my next job!! ;-)
9 minutes ago
And speaking of the film's crew, I keep forgetting to mention that I happened to check the list on IMDb the other day and was quite surprised to see that it's grown by leaps and bounds and is now quite lengthy. It's interesting that besides Eva Green, Bella Heathcote also has a dialect coach. But then I suppose that's not a surprise given that she's Australian...
Also, I'm not sure when it happened, but three more actors have been added to the cast:
Rest of cast
Lee Nicholas Harris ... Fisherman (uncredited)
Dale Mercer ... Slow Dancer (uncredited)
Benjay X Murphy ... Builder (uncredited)
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There is only one reason to read this article:
http://www.horror-movies.ca/2011/07/original-dark-shadows-cast-to-cameo-in-the-film/ (http://www.horror-movies.ca/2011/07/original-dark-shadows-cast-to-cameo-in-the-film/)
The word they use to describe the original show. No wonder Eva Green thinks Dark Shadows is a comedy... She reads stuff on the Internet! [ghost_cheesy]
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The word they use to describe the original show. No wonder Eva Green thinks Dark Shadows is a comedy...
Obviously someone doesn't know the difference between a sitcom and a soap. [ghost_rolleyes]
She reads stuff on the Internet! [ghost_cheesy]
Which always carries the potential for ridiculously wrong info.
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Hmmm - if true, some very interesting info regarding what may be shot today was posted an hour ago to the Beckenham site (http://www.beckenhamtown.us/forum/topics/johnny-depp-filming-beckenham) by someone named hodman-29.
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Opps - apparently I missed this exchange the other day when Twitter was acting up:
CapnZeus
After only finishing filming at 3am I think I might just have an afternoon nap #oldman
23 Jul
jostarlighto
@CapnZeus hey Rick Xx how was your day.... Do tell me all about working with Michelle Pfeiffer :))
23 Jul
CapnZeus
@jostarlight hi Jo. She wasn't on set, we were working with johnny depp, eva green and Chris Lee all good, but a very late one, they ......
24 Jul
CapnZeus
@jostarlight have built a massive set out side, very impressive
24 Jul
jostarlight
@CapnZeus WOW!!! amazing!! :) :)
24 Jul
I presume he's talking about the fishing village (Collinsport) set. And interesting to know that Christopher Lee apparently worked on it
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Even more interesting info posted an hour ago to the Beckenham site by someone named Claire McAleese, who claims Depp was indeed shooting last night. Another comment about how he's hardly recognizable - though for a different reason than we suspected. But, of course, we probably need to take some of these things with a grain of salt until they're confirmed...
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MissCaseyEverit Aleesha Everitt
just applied to Mad Dog casting...really wants to be work on Dark Shadows!!
2 hours ago
Hopefully it's not to late for her.
And this person is obviously a fan:
sammorgan19
@ThomasMcDonell Dark Shadows is going to be amazing b/c of you and Johnny!
1 hour ago
And who knew that the son who doesn't exist has been speaking up about the film:
BarnabasCoLLins
Dan Curtis’ son feels the #DARKSHADOWS fans are in good hands as #JohnnyDepp has promised “poetry” in the final product! http://is.gd/kIopZr
1 minute ago
But this is a perfect example of what I was saying the other day about how that misinformation would be taking on a life of its own. [ghost_sad]
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Finally a youtube video on the DS SDCC panel BUT just a quick interview of KLS and Hermes-unfortunately nothing on the actual panel-hopefully that will soon be coming. approx from 1:45 to 2:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDbe_Z5EoJY
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Very nice, jimbo. Thanks for sharing the link. [ghost_smiley]
As for the Beckenham site (http://www.beckenhamtown.us/forum/topics/johnny-depp-filming-beckenham), two photos have been posted of the park. The first doesn't really show much interesting unless you're into bike paths, but at least the second one shows the mansion in the distance with a giant crane. Check out the post from Jon Clarke that was made just under an hour ago.
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Actually, here's a much better photo of the back of the mansion:
http://twitpic.com/5w76w7/full
Apparently someone will be escaping through a window with tied sheets. [ghost_wink] Well, either that or the crew is trying to escape from the mansion. [ghost_grin]
And here's the tweet that shared the link:
daveno7
Setting up I believe..filming going on from dusk to 0200hrs... http://twitpic.com/5w76w7 #beckenhamplacepark
1 hour ago
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Two tweets with dusk shots of the mansion:
abbie_5TW Abbie Barrett
dark shadows set. http://twitpic.com/5wa6fv
1 hour ago
bashful1971
Dark shadows film set at beckenham place park. Johnny depp please come out http://yfrog.com/h7m1eslhj
7 minutes ago
Can it be that people are being allowed to get closer - or perhaps it's just that they're using zoom lenses?
Love the lighting in the second photo...
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I should have waited to post the other two because apparently people are tweeting all sorts of photos:
leonsanli Leon Şanlı
This is as close as I could get on set of "Dark Shadows" starring Johnny Depp!!! In Beckenham Place Park!! http://twitpic.com/5w9dp9
2 hours ago
GazzaFentyWest Gary RiRiMinaj West
on set at Tim Burtons new film ;) http://lockerz.com/s/123894904
1 hour ago
GazzaFentyWest
better picture. on set at Tim Burtons new film 'Dark Shadows' http://lockerz.com/s/123896055
1 hour ago
And there's also this:
JonnyJimJams Jon C. James
Has officially been put forward for a role in Tim Burtons Dark Shadows! WOOP WOOP!
1 hour ago
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In response to a tweet from Jerry Bruckheimer promoting his new TV show Take The Money and Run:
BRUCKHEIMERJB
Where would you hide $100K?
2 hours ago
altonchase
@BRUCKHEIMERJB in @PinewoodStudios around the #darkshadows set in a briefcase - its a prop! or on that, in the prop department!
23 minutes ago via
But I'd like to see him get close enough to the DS set to actually hide it there. Burton & Co. would have him tossed out the door before he got anywhere near hiding something on the set! [wink2]
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Now a photo at night:
markclune
@wossy #Jonny Depp #Tim Burton #Helena Bonem-Carter filming Dark Shadows film in Beckenham Place Park. ReTweet to all! http://yfrog.com/kgkumttj
18 minutes ago
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I just now got back to IMDb to check out the pages for the three actors who've been recently added to the cast list, and what did I find? Well, *perhaps* the first photo of a character on one of the sets. Here's a photo of Lee Nicholas Harris, dressed as what certainly looks like the fisherman he's playing - and with a building that says "Collins Canning" behind him:
Lee Nicholas Harris (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm464305920/nm3613279)
Can it really be our first photo? And IF it is, it's just buried in his photos where I just happened to look just on a whim of curiosity to see if I recognized him from anything he's done. [ghost_huh]
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Hmmm - even though this tweet doesn't say anything other than HBC's name -
brianstapleton1 Brian Stapleton
Interesting day First a car crashed into neighbours wall and then went to see #HelenaBonhamCarter filming new film Dark Shadows in the park
3 minutes ago
- why am I suddenly thinking that mansion could be playing Windcliff? Someone on the Beckenham site did say that inside they created a padded room. And IF that's true, well, what else is THE #1 location in the DS universe where people are ALWAYS escaping? [wink2]
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Definitely check out the first post on Page 2 of the Beckenham site (http://www.beckenhamtown.us/forum/topics/johnny-depp-filming-beckenham?id=2261418%3ATopic%3A37324&page=2#comments) (the post made by someone named James). He says that Depp is not shooting tonight but Helena Bonham Carter and Eva Green are - and people *may* be allowed to watch. And IF that IS true, perhaps we'll actually get our first photo of one or both women... And if the location really in Windcliff, I'm sensing a major plot point in the scene.
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As of 37 minutes ago on the Beckenham site (http://www.beckenhamtown.us/forum/topics/johnny-depp-filming-beckenham?id=2261418%3ATopic%3A37324&page=2#comments), a second post on nPage 2 reveals they were shooting HBC climbing down the sheets...
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That is a hoot! I have no idea what that building could be representing. It could be a stand-in for Collinwood, Angelique's house, or Windcliffe as you said. I have a feeling this is going to be a very fun movie.
And I just about died when I saw the Collins Canning building! What a dream come true! (Though it does seem to be in pretty bad shape. Yes, there is a hole in it!)
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Well, we're getting closer to a photo of a star because here's one of Tim Burton at the mansion earlier today:
Tim Burton on location (http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/281482_10150313268770135_756420134_9158443_5205194_n.jpg)
First an extra. Then the director. ...
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Another photo of Burton posted, this time to the Beckenham site 10 minutes ago.
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milesbrown24 Miles Brown
The scene shot this evening in #Beckenham Place Park for Dark Shadows can be seen here in HD, facebook.com/video/video.ph… @Beckenham
22 minutes ago
Presumably that's a stunt person doing the climbing down. Well, unless HBC was game and Burton allowed her to...
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Darn. Can't see the costume.
At least it's raining. [ghost_cheesy]
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The idea of Julia having to escape from the padded cell at Windcliff is a hoot!
And I know it upsets people, but this is sounding more and more like a Saturday Night Live skit that some very dedicated fans would put on who have been immersing themselves in the show for years...
G.
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This person seems to think it was HBC doing the climbing down:
brianstapleton1
@Beckenham No #JohnnyDepp but #HelenaBCarter filming a bedroom scene - well climbing out of one http://yfrog.com/kf5qepj
4 hours ago
He was there, so he may know. But then, who knows if he was close enough to really tell? (From the accompanying photo, one wouldn't think so.) And unfortunately the video doesn't show the person close enough and no one on set seems to identify the person by name...
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The idea of Julia having to escape from the padded cell at Windcliff is a hoot!
And I know it upsets people, but this is sounding more and more like a Saturday Night Live skit that some very dedicated fans would put on who have been immersing themselves in the show for years...
Actually, we know that Julia and Angelique have some reason to dislike each other that predates their involvement with Barnabas, And given that Eva Green was also shooting tonight, I have a suspicion that the escape is somehow related to that, with it either being a flashback to why they dislike one another or some new situation. But we shall see...
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SimonandLiz Hayhurst Consultancy
http://yfrog.com/kfc085j A couple more pics @Beckenham #TimBurton #JohnnyDepp shoot - great night!
2 hours ago
Actually four more photos (including that second one of Burton) because I must have missed the earlier tweet(s).
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It looks like there is rain falling in the last picture of the four MB just posted a link to, and the second one sort of shows a profile of the front of the house, which is very reminiscent of the Old House. Perhaps that's what this set is supposed to be? I was wondering if there was going to be an Old House at all in this movie since the press release from WB said that Barnabas comes home to find Collinwood in ruins and wants to fix it up. Perhaps Angelique has locked Julia in an upstairs bedroom in order to ambush Barnabas when he wakes up for the evening, and Julia has to climb out of the window in order to rescue him?
Either way, she sure did get a lot of sheets off that bed to reach all the way to the ground!
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Actually, I just discovered the arlier tweet:
SimonandLiz
yfrog.com/kjgul4j Just got back from #JohnnyDepp filming at #beckenham - Great to watch filming - saw Tim Burton & Eva Green - see pics
3 hours ago
If that is Eva Green with Burton, it's really too bad that she must be the woman who's mostly hidden from view...
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It looks like there is rain falling in the last picture of the four
They were using a rain machine during shooting. In the video some in the crew are huddled around tents while others are holding umbrellas. [ghost_wink]
she sure did get a lot of sheets off that bed to reach all the way to the ground!
She surely did! [ghost_grin]
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backtracking a bit i guess if this ivan kaye fellow has been cast as joshua(and not one of "present time" actors)we're not getting the traditional "everyone in the past looks just like someone from the present" routine. also there's been no indication that vicki(or anybody else for that matter)will be "travelling" back in time to the year 1772. it looks like it's just a straight forward flashback for the film's audience to see.
the "collins cannery" certainly looks dilapidated. unusable as a business in fact. if collinwood itself is in such disrepair i guess the family is supposed to be in financial dire straights? i wonder why that decision was made? if so how do they afford to pay domestic staff like a governess and a groundskeeper/handyman?
so many mysteries!
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those sheets don't look like they're saffron yellow...
if the candles aren't all blue that will be a major change from the original! [ghost_shocked]
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Darn. Can't see the costume.
You can in this photo: Julia Escapes (http://yfrog.com/z/h426ac4j). [ghost_smiley]
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also there's been no indication that vicki(or anybody else for that matter)will be "travelling" back in time to the year 1772. it looks like it's just a straight forward flashback for the film's audience to see.
I agree. As I said in the potential sequels topic, from the way Warner Brother's Press Release lays out the plot, there most probably won't be a sequel that deals with an origin story of how Barnabas came to be cursed as a vampire because this first film is going to deal with that. And it's probably unlikely to deal with much of anything else in 1772 but that. We'll probably see Barnabas' womanizing, his relationship with Angelique, his relationship with a Josette type character (if not Josette herself), his betrayal of Angelique (at least in her eyes) in favor of the Josette type character, and his cursing and burial. And it will all probably be dealt with fairly quickly so as to get to 1972 where the main story will take place. Victoria will probably never make a trip into the past because there won't be any need of it.
the "collins cannery" certainly looks dilapidated. unusable as a business in fact.
Though recall that some company tweeted that they provided the film with cannery equipment. But I suppose the film could simply be using it to dress the inside of the cannery for some scene or scenes that take place inside the cannery for some reason or other... Or maybe at some point the cannery is renovated...
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Thanks for all of the links, MB! Terrific.
It looks like Julia is wearing some kind of night outfit... with the robe and all. I kind of wonder is she isn't actually a patient in her own hospital who escapes to the safehaven of... Collinwood? [ghost_cheesy]
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Thanks for all of the links, MB! Terrific.
It was certainly fun finding them all. But as much as I complained that there hadn't been any photos/video of shooting, I'm glad that a night like last night doesn't happen every night because I got absolutely nothing else done except for finding posts, tweets and photos. There's no way I could do that every night - or even every few nights every week during shooting. [ghost_nowink]
It looks like Julia is wearing some kind of night outfit... with the robe and all. I kind of wonder is she isn't actually a patient in her own hospital who escapes to the safehaven of... Collinwood? [ghost_cheesy]
I had that same thought. Who know what the story between Julia and Angelique is going to turn out to be, but it would certainly seem to be complicated. Though, of course, that's a good thing. [ghost_wink]
And speaking of photos of last night's shooting, I see where SimonandLiz (Hayhurst Consultancy) shared a few photos with DS News that they didn't post on Twitter - two of which that show the "unidentified woman" ;) much better:
SimonandLiz
Went to a film shoot in Beckenham last night for Dark Shadows with Johnny Depp & Tim Burton-see our photos in... http://fb.me/1a9CdnTAP
37 minutes ago
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A rehersal scene from yesterday showing a 70s ambulance going to the house-not much but something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6P8RoIb_U
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Anything and everything is most appreciated, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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Another actor on Twitter who may be working on the film in some capacity:
paddy
christ I could really do with some interesting things on Twitter this afternoon. Anyone?
3 hours ago
MrMattJessup Matt Jessup
@paddy163 Here's something iteresting: I HAVE A THREE DAY WEEKEND!!!! And I WILL meet johnny Depp
paddy163
@MrMattJessup Why he is actually in your hood?
3 hours ago
MrMattJessup
@paddy163 Filming Dark Shadows 30 seconds down the road. INNIT! I'm putting your approachful expertise into practice.
2 hours ago
Or maybe he's just hoping to meet Depp.
And here's another potential extra heard from:
pippaselby Pippa Selby
Extra work on new Tim Burton/Johnny Depp film Dark Shadows? Well, why not..
2 hours ago
So, are half the people in and around London going to be in the film? [ghost_wink] It's starting to look that way? [ghost_cheesy]
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Check out the post under the photo of Burton on the Page 2 on the Beckenham site (http://www.beckenhamtown.us/forum/topics/johnny-depp-filming-beckenham?id=2261418%3ATopic%3A37324&page=2#comments) - there are links to two photos of them either preparing to shoot the climb or after shooting the climb. The woman (either HBC or a stunt woman) is standing below the window with a bunch of crew people. The second photo is pretty blurry, though. [ghost_sad]
Also, I see that in one of the other newer posts someone says that shooting is now moving to Farnham in Surrey. That's where Bourne Woods and the Collinwood exterior set is located, so perhaps they'll be doing more shooting there...
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The question is solved: DS News has posted a photo (again courtesy of SimonandLiz (Hayhurst Consultancy)) of the woman who climbed out the window - and, as we first suspected, it was not HBC.
Check out: More Photos From Dark Shadows Filming (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/07/more-photos-from-dark-shadows-filming.html)
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Any guess who that actress or stunt double is playing? Thanks MB for all your hard work.
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From this photo it looks like Bella's stunt double? http://joanarufino.tumblr.com/post/8140897791/another-dark-shadows-set-picture-and-now-im-not
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All I know is that the reports said that Helena Bonham Carter and Eva Green were working.
Good news for anyone not on Facebook - the guy who uploaded the video last night to his Facebook page has uploaded it to YouTube today: Tim Burton movie 'Dark Shadows' filming in Beckenham Place Park (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdHFLd6K0M)
And then there's this tweet from Krysia Whitty, the prop buyer for the film:
kr_shhh
Will be jobless in 7 weeks time, that means one thing, time to book a holiday!!!
9 hours ago
Seven weeks definitely means that, as first reported in SG, shooting will last into September...
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DavidLyddon
Day 2 of Great Expectations and then more Dark Shadows:) nice.
29 minutes ago
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SimonandLiz Hayhurst Consultancy
Read our latest blog on recent shoot #Beckenham. Dark Shadows film by Tim Burton with Johnny Depp - lots of great... http://fb.me/XU3SKb1j
3 hours ago
Features two previously unseen photos they kept for themselves. One of Burton. One of "dog actors." (Though if you click on them, you can also see much larger versions of all the photos.)
And I was just saying to Midnite yesterday after DS News posted its second set of photos from the shooting that the "stunt woman" looked remarkably like Bella Heathcote but I figured I had to be wrong because no one tweeting or posting on the Beckenham Web site mentioned her name - only Eva Green and Helena Bonham Carter (- and some even went so far as to say it was actually HBC climbing down the sheets). But then I said to Midnite that perhaps that was because Bella Heathcote isn't that well known and maybe no one in the crowd recognized her. But in the end I definitely convinced myself that I was just seeing a resemblance but it wasn't really her. But I should have stuck to my instincts - and jimbo takes the prize for mentioning her name first (CONGRATS, JIMBO!! [thumb]) because according to this blog, the "stunt woman" is indeed Bella Heathcote. So, apparently it was Victoria and not Julia who was escaping! And that makes a lot more sense. Though the big question is: Why was Victoria escaping? Or a possible bigger question: IS it Victoria? (Bella has red hair in the photos and we were lead to believe Victoria would have dark hair in the film.)
But well, well - our first photos of one of the stars shooting. [ghost_smiley]
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It has been decades since I won anything. jk Thanks. Just a lucky guess.
Nice photos MB. Thanks for the link. Now we need to find photos of Depp and company. Our work is never done.
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Just a lucky guess.
There are no lucky guesses in the universe. [ghost_smiley] So definitely take the time to bask in your glory! [ghost_grin]
Now we need to find photos of Depp
Who knows how long that will be?
and company.
Probably more likely. [ghost_wink]
Our work is never done.
So true. [ghost_cheesy]
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Considering that it's looking like Depp wasn't anywhere near the Beckenham shooting site, I love the remark in the article about the ketchup dispenser:
Johnny Depp in Beckenham? (http://www.london24.com/entertainment/cinema/johnny_depp_in_beckenham_1_976421#)
But then, that's just par for the course. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Thanks MB I will. I assume the prize is two front row seats to the movie's premiere? jk
Looks like JD can't always get what he wants re: article [ghost_wink]
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I assume the prize is two front row seats to the movie's premiere?
If only we had them to give. Well, so long as we still had some for ourselves. [ghost_grin]
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...But I should have stuck to my instincts - and jimbo takes the prize for mentioning her name first (CONGRATS, JIMBO!! [thumb]) because according to this blog, the "stunt woman" is indeed Bella Heathcote.
Sorry, I think I should say that the woman isn't confirmed as Bella Heathcote. When I was talking on email with the photographers about using the images for my site, they asked me if I could identify the actress – my response was to say that I couldn't be certain, but if it was a known member of the cast, I thought it might be Bella – which is where they got the info. I think it's quite likely it is her, but obviously something-I-think-from-glancing-at-a-photo isn't proper confirmation by any stretch.
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Certainly without proper confirmation there can always be some doubt. Though in this case that doubt would appear to be extremely small when the both of us came to the conclusion it was Bella Heathcote independently of each other, she looks so much like Bella as to be her identical twin - especially in the photo where she's in profile behind Tim Burton, and we're not alone in believing it to be Bella because I've since seen other postings on other sites where people have also strongly suspected she's Bella - postings that predate the posting of the Hayhurst Consultancy's blog and jimbo's post here. So, I think we can at least be 90% sure, if not more. [ghost_smiley]
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abramwelsh
3rd and last night on Dark Shadows tonight; praise be, I'm knackered.
1 hour ago
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I haven't scrutinized the photo with nearly the degree of intensity y'all have done, but I would really doubt that Bella Heathcote was allowed to do a stunt like that.
But maybe they did let her/ask her to do it--if they're really that dumb.
G.
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I don't think it's her in all the photos. In fact, I suspect it's not her at all in the photo that jimbo referred to. It's hard to tell, but I believe that is probably a stunt woman - and a really well harnessed one at that. But it is Bella in a few of the photos where the woman is near the bottom of the sheets. The larger versions of those photos clearly show her. And substituting her at least at that point would have been used for closer shots of her climbing down - as well as ones of her coming off of the sheets and onto the ground...
Though IF Bella was up to it, and Burton and the stunt people were willing, I can't imagine that much could have happened to her with all that harnessing...
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the red hair is unexpected but if it is heathcote in the pictures it must be victoria escaping...
since she's wearing "modern" clothing it can't be josette or any other eighteenth century character.
we were worried about blond...and relieved to hear brunette...but it never occurred to any of us vicki might be a redhead. [ghost_shocked]
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I am a bit confused, because the images of the person filming seem to show a red-head, but the rehearsal photo would seem to indicate that this individual has brown hair. Can someone clarify what I am looking at?
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Hmmm - previous reports have given a completion date of August 12th or "sometime in August" for shooting. But August is not in the fall. Fall doesn't arrive until September 23rd.
Not to mention the possibility of a new 'Night Stalker' for Depp.....If only we can get 'Night Stalker'...all this in addition to 'Dark Shadows'...life is good!! [ghost_grin]
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And another actor or extra heard from:
chris_edgerley
in Tim Burton's and Johnny Depp's latest film with WARNER BROS called 'DARK SHADOWS'. Filming for them Aug/Sept. Release date 11 May 2012.
1 hour ago
And, of course, another one who lives - yes, you guessed it - in London. [ghost_wink]
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This whole thing is really exciting and hard to believe that Dark Shadows will be alive again!
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An update:
chris_edgerley
in costume fitting for Tim Burton's and Johnny Depp's latest film 'DARK SHADOWS'!!!!!!
5 hours ago
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We haven't heard from this guy in a while:
DeanCleaverUK
I am on the set of johnny depp's new film again and their treating me to some nice cold beverages! #Awsome
1 hour ago
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Alice4123 Alice
Can't believe I had the privallege (probably spelt wrong) to go on the set of 'Dark Shadows' johnny depps new film.
4 hours ago
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davidselbycom David Selby Site
Photo of David Selby & Lara Parker during visit to set of new DARK SHADOWS movie added to News page http://ow.ly/5SL3H #darkshadows ^BR
7 hours ago
Nice photo. [ghost_smiley]
And the second of these is certainly intriguing:
Rillus Riley
This is quite exciting: http://ping.fm/67l9a - headed to Pinewood early Wednesday for costume fitting. My 2nd film with Depp...
15 hours ago
Rillus
Scene changed & costume fitting cancelled for #DarkShadows - at least that avoids the clash with my work summer party!
1 hour ago
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That's a lovely photo of David and Lara, MB. Many thanks for posting the link.
G.
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Construction begins on the first ‘Lone Ranger’ set in New Mexico (http://www.onlocationvacations.com/2011/08/01/construction-begins-on-the-first-lone-ranger-set-in-new-mexico/)
"Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter are still in the thick of filming their current movie, Dark Shadows, in the U.K., but crews are already building sets for their next film, The Lone Ranger, in New Mexico."
The end of the DS shoot is in sight even though it has more than a month to go before wrapping.
And this article in Variety references DS:
Cash spent on production in U.K. hit record high (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118040715)
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Wouldn't it be nice if Quentin and Angelique had a photo like that? Sharing the joys of life together, not afraid of growing older... Needless to say that could never happen. [ghost_nowink]
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jamesaadkin James Adkin
Day 1 finished with TIm Burton, Johnny Depp and co on #Dark Shadows - and finished in time to catch up on the sleep lost - result!
32 minutes ago
Hmmm - I wonder what he's doing? We heard from him back in this postand it didn't seem like he would be acting...
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So, are half the people in and around London going to be in the film? [ghost_wink] It's starting to look that way? [ghost_cheesy]
Apparently someone from the half who won't be in the film:
Floss2 Beryl Phelps
@jamesaadkin Oh! Lucky you. I would really like to work on Dark Shadows but it seems I'm not suitable
2 hours ago
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Finally!
KathrynLeighScott_ComicConPanel2011_Part2_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ZwGdPHoyA)
Though, sadly, nothing that we haven't already heard about...
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Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport Visits Pinewood (http://www.pinewoodgroup.com/2011/08/shadow-secretary-of-state-for-culture-media-and-sport-visits-pinewood/)
And saw the DS sets. And for all we know the accompanying photo was taken on one of them because we've been lead to believe that DS is using Pinewood's indoor water tank. (Though, of course, the photo doesn't show anything worth seeing...)
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I could swear this wasn't there all the other times I checked Twitter today. [ghost_undecided]
AnnaisLondon Anna is London
Not so long ago I was in the set of #DarkShadows @PinewoodStudios It was an AMAZING set, incredibly well done.It is going to be a success!
7 hours ago
But better to find it late than never - especially when she has such nice things to say.
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i almost shudder to think of the fervor and intensity of the questions about the new film that will leveled at scott, parker, selby and frid at this year's fest. it's almost too much to consider.
since those four actors were on set...however briefly...the curiosity about what's happening with the film will be stratospheric. "comic con" at least had a diverse group of attendees with varied interests...the fest is ALL DS fans. it's really going to be quite intense. [ghost_blink]
as an aside i've noticed in alot of the recent coverage that the film "stars johnny depp and helena bohnam carter". depp obviously but in some of the early reportage didn't carter herself say that she's playing a "small part" in the film? how did that evolve into a "starring" role? do you think that writers are basing that assessment on julia hoffan's prominence in the original series more than what's happening with the movie?
again the intensity of the curiosity at this year's fest could get kind of SCARY. especially given all the chatter and fear out there that burton and depp will "ruin" DS.
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It would appear that HBC's part is much more than she led us to believe. I don't know if she was being sarcastic with her earlier comment, but I have no doubt that HBC will be a major player in this film, with Eva Green probably having more screen time. However, I am certain that Michelle Pfeiffer will also have a large role. Not really sure how this is all going to work itself out... Maybe all billing will be revealed in the teaser trailer which will be coming... soon. Battleship already has its poster and trailer, and it's only a matter of time before we get something from Shadows. I am guessing no later than October, but probably sooner.
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Rillus
Not going according to plan this morning - headed to pinewood, but the trains are against me! #darkShadows
3 hours ago
Looks like he's still doing the film. But at any rate, he wasn't at the studio very long today:
Rillus
Just driving down "Goldfinger Avenue" on my way out of the studio. Which is the ejector seat?
59 minutes ago
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I'm only guessing here about how the media are publicizing/discussing the film, but I think that in general, folks like to capitalize on the partnership among Tim, Johnny and Helena. They've done a bunch of films together now, but Helena has not always had a starring role- for instance in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, her role as Charlie's mother was actually quite small, and even in Alice In Wonderland, I think she was billed as supporting actress. It was only Sweeney Todd and Corpse Bride where she was really a lead. But I think the media like to emphasize her in Burton/Depp films, anyway, just because she's perceived as part of the package :)
All to say that while I wouldn't be surprised if Julia's role is bigger than Helena made it sound (if so, perhaps she was being sarcastic but I'd kinda take it as modesty), I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out more of a supporting role. But I guess we just have to see!
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Exactly, madscntst!
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Hmmm...
pr_ttyheartache Loren Harper
My photoshoot just got cancelled... again *sigh*. We were going to the Dark Shadows set as well *sighx2*
17 minutes ago
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DarkShadowsNews
New photograph of Jonathan Frid at @PinewoodStudios to film Tim Burton's #DarkShadows posted: http://tinyurl.com/3mlcblr
4 hours ago
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Wow, very cool! Thanks, MB!
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Nice to see.
I wish Nancy Barrett and Alex Moltke were doing cameos, too.
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Definitely! But alas...
And this guy's tweets get more interesting by the day:
Rillus
When you get a lot of actors together, there's bound to be drama.
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Rillus
Been on set now down at Angel Bay - epic set! I also know a lot about fish canning now... More than I ever wanted... #darkShadows
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Who knows what he's doing on the film? But I'm looking forward to finding out. And I had to laugh at this one:
Rillus
Missed my train and I blame Tim Burton. It's about time he took responsibility for stuff going wrong in my life.
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for some reason i find it highly entertaining that the fish cannery...of all obscure things...appears to be factoring somewhat largely in this film. burton is not a realist. how a fish cannery will be depicted and why is getting curiouser and curiouser.
doesn't the "spoiler thread" say that [spoiler]a major character will die in the film? how about death at the hands of fish canning equipment.[/spoiler]
i forget did the 1991 version even mention the cannery? i don't recall it factoring into the story at all.
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I really wish that the image of Frid had a higher resolution. I want to analyze that sign with his name on it. Clearly it is the original Dark Shadows logo. I just can't tell if it is on a new design or something we have seen before. And if the text underneath refers to the original series. If not, it may be a prototype or a working logo they are using for the movie. One can only hope. [ghost_wink]
As for the fish cannery... I, for one, am really excited about seeing this. It was a huge part of the first part of the series, one of my favorite eras, and yet we only got to see a little bit of it. It would appear that Tim is trying to strike a balance between the first year and the subsequent supernatural years, and that is something I am looking forward to with great relish. From what we have seen, I, personally, think that Burton is taking a different approach with this film. The large focus on such real-life elements, the sailor costumes, the sets we have seen of the cannery, etc. seem to bring this thing down to a level we are not familiar seeing with Burton. I really am excited to see how it all comes together with the supernatural elements.
Still think Chris Lee should play Bill Malloy. [ghost_wink]
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A reminder from the "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers" topic:
Note from the admins:
... and we kindly ask that any sorts of references to anything that gets posted to this topic be completely limited to this topic alone so that people who choose to avoid spoilers can remain completely spoiler free.
Thanks! [ghost_smiley]
Thankfully Midnite was able to add the spoiler tag to the spoiler that inadvertently slipped into this topic, so I didn't see it - and hopefully anyone else who is trying to avoid spoilers missed it as well. But please let that be the one and only spoiler reference in this topic. As previously requested, please limit any and all references to spoilers to the spoilers topic.
Thanks again. [ghost_smiley]
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Twelve more photos of the Collinwood exterior set have just recently been posted on chloegmoretz.com - though unlike the others, these come with a bit of a spoiler to them, so if you don't want to know, don't check them out. The link to the photos is in the spoiler because the title of the article gives the spoiler away. Not smart. But, hey, people do it. [ghost_huh]
[spoiler]Location filming for Dark Shadows comes to a fiery end (http://www.chloegmoretz.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1239:dark-shadows-wraps-at-bourne-wood)[/spoiler]
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Thanks for sharing those pics, MB.
Hmmmm. [spoiler]Wasn't expecting that, but it's been done before. Always felt it was a good ending... just wasn't expecting an ending in this film. But, we don't know where this takes place in the whole scheme of things. [/spoiler]
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CoveredInHair David Garlick
How's this for weird - got a txt today asking if I want a role in the new Burton/Depp film Dark Shadows? Filming Thursday? Mind boggle
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It's wild how someone justs asks these people to be in the film. Where's the struggle, the auditions? But then, I guess it just comes easy to some - especially if all they might be doing is being an extra. [ghost_wink]
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But, we don't know where this takes place in the whole scheme of things.
No we don't - which is why I said it's a bit of a spoiler because we have no idea what the time frame is. And any discussion of that and the incident itself would be complete and pure speculation - and complete and pure speculation is more than welcome in this topic. [ghost_wink]
And with that being said,[spoiler]the fire obviously takes place when the house isn't run down. So that either means that the fire takes place at some point in the past or that the house will be fixed up at some point in the present...[/spoiler]
Either way, it should prove interesting...
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Definitely! And great observations!
[spoiler]I am really thinking that this was something which happened in the past. It would make a great end to the 1772 segment, however long that will be. But, of course, something like this happening in the present is also a viable option. Maybe Barnabas offers to restores Collinwood instead of the Old House! Good old Cousin Barnabas, always wanting to fix things up! [ghost_cheesy] [/spoiler]
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paulmartinsmith
Took the girls up to the Dark Shadows set in the Bourne Woods http://twitpic.com/61uyhz
56 minutes ago
And again, you may not want to check it out - though without having checked out chloegmoretz.com, you may not even pick up anything...
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TVMCCA Terry McCarty
@DrewAtHitFix ......by Dan Curtis' 1970 feature HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS. If Tim mimics the bloody Gothic camp of that film, I'll be happy.
6 hours ago
Many others won't.
(And I don't know how anyone could describe hoDS in any way as "camp." [ghost_huh])
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there is the unfortunate tendency to confuse anything that is highly dated as being "campy".
the reality of this situation is that for most the general public the entire DS experience is a classic piece of high camp.
i no longer think it's worth getting defensive or upset about. i've just come to accept it.
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Normally these are so far behind what we already know that I don't bother to post links to them. Not to mention they're not always particularly accurate. And most of what's in this one we do indeed already know. But there are also a few bits on Ivan Kaye's career and some background on the mansion used in Beckenham Place Park. (Plus there's the Julia graphic at the top.):
Exciting Dark Shadows Updates (http://www.vampires.com/exciting-dark-shadows-updates/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+vampires%2FRzCa+%28Vampires%29&utm_content=Twitter)
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ferntomlinson Fern Tomlinson
Just seen the #DarkShadows film set in Bourne Woods where #JohnnyDepp was filming last week - sooooo cool!
14 minutes ago
It's interesting that, if they really have finished shooting there, they haven't begun to take the set down yet...
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Was just over at JOHNNYDEPPZONE after not looking in for over a week, and apparently I missed this tweet:
podwinkle David Beevers
Had a great visit to Pinewood today. Saw the set of the new Johny Depp film- a whole town with harbour and 6 or so full size fishing boats
1 Aug
That sounds pretty much like what we saw in the background of the photo of Lee Nicholas Harris (which no one there seems to have come across yet - though it is pretty well hidden).
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Late as per usual at checking my e-mail and just came across a link to this:
Pfeiffer on the Move... (http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/8/4/pfeiffer-on-the-move.html)
So, unless she wears a wig in the film (which is certainly possible), it looks like LIz may indeed be blonde...
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i'm not super familiar with burton's work but doesn't he favor wigs in a big way?
i'm recalling the promo pix for "alice" and all the actresses were wearing very fantastical wigs.
and didn't we hear awhile back of a theatrical wigmaker being hired?
still i suppose liz could be blond(it seems like vicki's a redhead after all). even so i imagine she'll be rather elaborately coiffed.
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i'm not super familiar with burton's work but doesn't he favor wigs in a big way?
Hmm, I think it depends on the movie. Alice and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory were heavy on the fantasy, so I think there were a lot of wigs and exaggerated looks. But I think that for a lot of films, they use their own hair. That's not to say a wig coudn't be used, though- I think that Winona Ryder and Christina Ricci used wigs for Edward Scissorhands and Sleepy Hollow, respectively. I'm thinking that for the 1700's stuff, the men might be wearing wigs.
Personally, I wouldn't mind Pfeiffer being a blonde Liz, especially having a blonde daughter, but I do hope that her hairstyle will be somewhat conservative and elite-looking.
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Finally got around to hunting up the latest batch of DS film tweets:
TheMattEvers Matt Evers
Good night KIDZ..early early start tomorrow. So excited to work with TIm Burton!
18 hours ago
TheMattEvers
Oh how I've missed catering... Sleepy people on set of Dark Shadows today. granted it's half 7 and ready to go. Have a good 1 today!
9 hours ago
TheMattEvers
So honored to work alongside Tim Burton. Eva Green is stunning!
3 hours ago
TheMattEvers
Off to @trainfresh... My 6am on set call is not helping my tiredness today. MOOOO TIV VVVAATTTIOOON!
1 hour ago
A bit of reasearch quickly turned up that this guy is a famous (to some) English figure skater. But I guess he's into acting now. That, or there will be figure skating in the film. [ghost_grin]
And:
DandyAshSparrow Ash Tucker
Still holding out for work on #DarkShadows . Third Time Lucky....
8 hours ago
And also this:
4DMax_Ltd Duncan M B Lees
#4DMax are off Up North again to scan elite athletes. Followed by a week of #3D scanning for TV and film, including Mr Deep and Ms Moretz
3 hours ago
This explains a lot. I wondering why this firm was working on the film when it was no longer going to be shot in 3D. But DUH! Of course they would be doing 3D scans of some of the actors for special effects. And what's really interesting about that tweet is that we expect such special effects for Johnny Depp/Barnabas, but not necessarily for Chloe Moretz/Carolyn. Now I'm really intrigued about what's going on with Carolyn in the film!
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I think it needs to be pointed out that "Dark Passages" is NOT Kathryn Leigh Scott's first work of fiction, "Murder In Prime Time" was. I think it came out in 2006. I seen this mistake made by more than one writer. I feel like people should do their research if they want to be believed. I don't know if they don't care or if they're lazy, but why should we believe anything they write if even one fact is wrong?
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Yeah, well, as I said when I prefaced the link, one of the reasons I'd never bothered to post a link to that Web site before was because their info isn't always particularly accurate. Though what they did write about Ivan Kaye's career and the background of the Beckenham Place mansion was correct - I made sure of that before I posted the link - and as I also said, that info was the reason I shared the link in this topic.
And as for misinformation, no one here more than I has probably lamented the fact that so much that gets written about DS or its related subjects is not accurate. And I think you've hit the nail on the head exactly as to the reason for that - it's laziness, pure and simple. Though that being said, I don't know if we can go so far as to say that just because some entity gets one fact wrong, that calls everything into question. I seriously doubt there are any newspapers. magazines, TV news/entertainment outlets, Web sites, or even individuals who haven't gotten something wrong on more than one occasion. But that doesn't mean that everything they say is questionable. It's all a matter of degree, reliability, and a track record built up over time.
Now with regard to that Web site, their track record is spotty at best. Which is why it's not likely that many more links to them will ever be posted on the forum again. [ghost_wink] And something that's actually quite ironic is that that Web site's accuracy should be called out over something they wrote about KLS when her PomPress DS books contain a variety of inaccuracies...
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i'm not sure if this has already been posted elsewhere but there is the typically "misinformed" article and interview with KLS in today's LA Times(which of course KLS could correct if she wanted to).
in it she states that her cameo in the new depp/burton project is the film's "ah ha" moment. i'm sorry but i find it very hard to believe that the film's most pivotal or important or climactic moments revolve around her or any of the other original star's cameos. it's called a "cameo" for a reason.
sounds like her usual maneuvering to keep herself at the center of this thing at all times(don't forget she's got a new book to promote).
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The article is also online: 'Dark Shadows' is still in her blood; Kathryn Leigh Scott, who starred in the ABC vampire soap opera, has filmed an appearance in Tim Burton's film version starring Johnny Depp. (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-classic-hollywood-20110808,0,7557503.story)
(The title in the print edition, p. 3 of the Calendar section, is "Gothic bloodline.")
Maggie fell in love with Barnabas??!?? Frid carried hangers during the closing credits??!
And why wasn't Selby's photo included with the other DS Denizens?
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She's referring of course to Frid's blooper during 1897, when he accidentally walked across the set that was on cam for the closing credits carrying one of his costumes on a hanger.
It sounds as if she either didn't finish her thought about it, or the reporter garbled what she said.
That's amazing that the original series actors got three days work out of this. I would love to know what the fees were. It's good to hear that they were all treated so well.
G.
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She's referring of course to Frid's blooper during 1897, when he accidentally walked across the set that was on cam for the closing credits carrying one of his costumes on a hanger.
If I'm not mistaken, I don't believe there were any hangers involved - which is what I think Midnite was trying to say. Plus KLS seems like she might be implying that Frid had changed into his street clothes and was carrying his costume - but he's still dressed in his costume and he's carrying what looks like his street clothes over his arm (not his shoulder) and a pair of shoes.
Though be that as it may, all that has nothing to do with the Depp/DS film, so probably the less discussed about it here in this topic, the better. [ghost_smiley] (Though anyone who might want to look up the incident is certainly free to start a topic about it. And actually, I'm pretty sure it's featured in DS Bloopers, so it should be pretty easy to find there...)
As for what she really might have been saying about her cameo, who knows? [ghost_undecided] But presumably we'll see it for ourselves (if it is such an "ah ha" moment, it's not likely to end up on the cutting room floor, which is quite often a real danger with these cameos) and then we can really judge how "ah ha" it is or "ah ha" it isn't. [ghost_wink]
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I think it needs to be pointed out that "Dark Passages" is NOT Kathryn Leigh Scott's first work of fiction, "Murder In Prime Time" was. I think it came out in 2006. I seen this mistake made by more than one writer.
That's not really the writer's fault - the press release and publicity materials for Dark Passages all promote it as Kathryn's first novel. For whatever reason, that's how she's decided to present the book, so it's not really a failure to check facts.
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Now, that's very interesting. Thanks for the info, Stuart. [ghost_smiley]
And now that that's been cleared up, please let this be the last mention of Dark Passages in this topic because, well, way off topic for this topic. [ghost_wink] And there is a Dark Passages topic over on the "Calendar Events / Announcements '11 II" board...
And getting back on topic for this topic, when I had my browser translate this page: La dupla Depp/Burton esta de vuelta con Dark Shadows. (http://www.popcorn.cl/2011/08/08/la-dupla-deppburton-esta-de-vuelta-con-dark-shadows/), it seems as if at the end the author is hoping that Depp won't be dancing in DS. Well, considering we know there is at least one club scene, I'm not so sure that there won't be any Depp dancing. [ghost_wink] But time will tell...
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Oh, I think the writer is just complaining about the "Fudderwhacken" (sp??) dance that The Mad Hatter does at the end of Alice In Wonderland. I haven't heard of a single adult who likes that stupid dance [ghost_wink] (Maybe some kids do). Personally, I thought it was a really bizarre addition to the film, and it was not even Johnny so they actually went to the trouble of getting a stunt dancer (plus a lot of CGI) to do that! But maybe the writer isn't against dancing per se.
Johnny hates to dance anyway, but he often gets roped into doing it. It'll be fun to see if old Barn has some moves! Too bad it's a little early for disco dancing [ghost_cheesy]
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At least the reporter didn't have her saying that JF was walking across the set once in his underwear... I could swear that that was a widely circulated version of that blooper at one time...
It sounds to me as if KLS was having a bit of a "Norma Desmond" moment in that interview... but who knows. I do hope the cameos don't wind up on the cutting room floor, but it could easily happen.
All the stuff about the Cannery and the harbor is quite fascinating! I always wondered whether there was a lingering odor of canned sardines at Collinwood. One would imagine they would have been a staple of the meals there.
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I do hope the cameos don't wind up on the cutting room floor, but it could easily happen.
The good thing today is that such things often show up as DVD/Blu-ray extras - or even in Director's Cut releases. For example, Christopher Plummer did a cameo for The Wolfman that didn't make it into the theatrical release of that film, but it is in the Director's Cut.
All the stuff about the Cannery and the harbor is quite fascinating! I always wondered whether there was a lingering odor of canned sardines at Collinwood. One would imagine they would have been a staple of the meals there.
Not to mention that when the wind was right, could the entire town of Collinsport and everyone at Collinwood smell the fumes that were most probably given off by the cannery itself? [ghost_wink] If so, I can't say that Collinsport would be a place where I would want to visit, much less live...
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remember what that busybody old lady mrs.mitchell told victoria on her train ride up to collinsport...
"i've been living in this part of the country ALL my life and i've only been in collinsport once. JUST ONCE. that was MORE than enough for me!". [ghost_tongue]
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I have to say that in my opinion there is a big difference between journalism and a book of "memories". I expect a book of memories to be just that and I would expect everyone writing a book of memories to tell each story differently. That doesn't mean they can't make mistakes, only that the standard they are held to is different.
I expect a journalist to try much harder to get the facts right. I would think that someone that loves what they are writing to make fewer mistakes than someone that was given a topic and told to turn in 300 words on it. Most of us could have done a better job than many of the writers that we have seen links to. If it's a link to a movie site and the writers care nothing about DS and/or vampires it's understandable that they wouldn't put alot into it, if it's a site that claims to be all about horror, the gothic, vampires, or DS I expect them to check and double check their facts. I don't care if it is a press release.
And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
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Well, there is also a difference between bloggers and journalists. And mostly anything that isn't in the news section of a newspaper or on a news site is not written by a journalist - just a person rehashing information he/she heard or read elsewhere, most of which is unverified by him/herself. (OT, but as an example: I'd imagine the LA Times article is written by a person with a background in entertainment journalism, and I see no problems with anything she wrote, as anything which has been deemed questionable is out of the mouth of her source, KLS.)
So let's just keep that in mind going forward with our discussions on articles related to the DS movie. Sources and fact-checking are essential to getting good information. And, unfortunately, there are fewer sites that do these things than don't. Not every blog has bad information and not every news source has good information, but, in general, news sources verify facts and provide sources, whereas blogs don't.
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When it comes to errors, I have less problem with the PomPress books that came out before all of DS was available in syndication or on VHS because obviously it wasn't easy to check facts - and in some cases the things written were clearly indicated as memories. However, I do have big problems with the errors in the PomPress books that were not presented as memories but were presented as facts after all the eps were easily available. There's no excuse for those errors. And there are plenty of them. And they are often repeated in articles that use those books as sources with the not unexpected assumption that everything in them should indeed be accurate. But again, we're getting way off topic for this topic, so I will not list any of them here in this topic. Though several of them have already been pointed out in numerous topics posted to the forum through the years.
Getting back on topic, I just came across this tweet:
BarbaraGothDepp Barbara Valentina
I'm just tired of waiting 4 a picture of Johnny as a vampire in "Dark Shadows"!!why r they taking so long!??#GettingCrazy
4 hours ago
Many of us share your pain, Barbara! [ghost_wink]
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abramwelsh
Just accepted 2 more night shoots on Dark Shadows; of what am I thinking.
2 hours ago
I'm thinking he'll make more money and potentially have more exposure in the film. [ghost_smiley]
And this person obviously has high expectations:
C_C_Roault Celina
Jonny Depp outacts every male star around, but when he works with Tim Burton he especially shines! I can't wait for Dark Shadows! =D
42 minutes ago
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Another DS film related conversation (this time with Chris Mullen, who was working as a production assistant but...):
@Darkershadeofme Chris Mullen
@domster1983 on the new tim burton film at pinewood studios.. was running but just been promoted to prod sec.. where you based?
4 hours ago
domster1983 Sarah Lucas
@Darkershadeofme yay! Well done you! I was supposed to be doing some dailies on that, dark shadows? I'd like to see your big face soon.
4 hours ago
Darkershadeofme@
@domster1983 omg why didnt you do the dailies?! would've been semi dream team back together!
4 hours ago
crashedlampost Emma C
@Darkershadeofme so jealous that you're running at pinewood! How did you get into it?
4 hours ago
Darkershadeofme
@crashedlampost a co-ordinator i worked with lent me her copy of the knowledge & i literally emailed every PCO and PM with my CV...
4 hours ago
Darkershadeofme
@crashedlampost ... & maybe only 1% will offer you something but I was offered Captain America from it and they brought me over to DS after!
4 hours ago
domster1983
@Darkershadeofme I got work til November and so didn't ring up. Silly Lucas!
2 hours ago
And then there's:
gkfilms gkfilms
MSN Entertainment declares Hugo and Dark Shadows star @ChloeGMoretz is the next Jodie Foster. Check it out! http://on-msn.com/oKSzJ5
11 minutes ago
Given the way her career trajectory has been going, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. [ghost_wink]
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This one is a bit of an irony:
YourPollyanna Jane Staiano
Unable to work on Tim Burton's Dark Shadows, as I have to go to a funeral :-( Spose that's life (and death ) for you!
1 hour ago
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Why we need Barnabas Collins again. (http://www.fangirlmag.com/articles/why-we-need-barnabas-collins-again/)
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We all know that TPTB Tim Burton, Johnny Depp, Warner Bros. etc. are very protective of information leaking out to the media IE, having all personnel sign confidentiality agreements. But on the other hand why is it that they have allowed pictures of Collinwood to Chloe's unofficial website, and the videos posted on Youtube one of which is a filmed scene of a character trying to escape? Is it that they are throwing us a bone so to speak or is it they are powerless to remove the photos and videos? Just curios to this paradox.
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They probably don't mind all that much when it comes to the photos simply showing the Collinwood exterior set - certainly not the majority of them. The latest batch do seem to reveal a plot point - but with us having no idea how it fits into anything, they're still able to safeguard that bit of info.
As for the videos and photos of the Beckenham Place Park shoot, I'd guess they might be more upset by those. But when they're shooting in public like that, presumably there's really nothing they can do about it, especially once they become viral, which the videos and photos did within hours of their original postings. Not that that was a surprise because everyone has been rabid for anything like that. So, the fact that the videos and photos spread so quickly was completely expected - probably even by Burton & Co. [ghost_wink] And once stuff like that spreads so quickly, it's pretty useless even to try to do anything about it because so many people have already been exposed to it...
What they do have complete control over is what's happening in the studio and the official photos. And when it comes to all that, we've gotten absolutely zip. [ghost_sad] But one day...
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Warwick dog lands lead role in Hollywood (http://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/2011/08/11/story-Warwick-dog-lands-lead-role-in-Hollywood-14407.html#.TkP_yJ_oFgs.twitter)
But how it relates to the DS film is more interesting from our POV. [ghost_wink]
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afmfilms Ali F. Mostafa
Pinewood Studios! What an amazing place! Walked around set of Ridleys Aliens & Burtons Dark Shadows! Incredible! http://yfrog.com/gzcuvrsj
2 hours ago
Sadly, the photo is just the outside of the studio. [ghost_sad] Though at least this one is a photo of the outside of the 007 Stage, which is being used by DS:
afmfilms
The legendary James Bond sound stage at Pinewood! http://yfrog.com/gydsmotj
2 hours ago
Probably about the closest we've gotten so far to whichever set is housed in there. But, again, one day...
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ChloeGMoretz
Helloo!! :) off to set, stunt practice, stills, pffff da usual how's your guys days going?!
3 hours ago
Who knows how many months it will be before we get to see those stills? [ghost_rolleyes]
And oh no - the production must be cursed! [ghost_grin]
multidyer Schultz & Wiremu
Yet another member of the Dark Shadows costume department has broken a leg! 2 out of a 20ish team is just tooo weird!
3 hours ago
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4DMax_Ltd Duncan M B Lees
Great day #3D scanning with our #Perceptron and #Mephisto systems. Coffins, A list talent and prosthetics at @PinewoodStudios. Tiptop times.
29 minutes ago
Hmmm - who knows why they're scanning coffins - and in the plural? Well, unless Barnabas isn't the only vampire in the film? But we'll find out in time...
And not that this is directly related to the DS film, but the new issue of Entertainment Weekly, which is the Fall Movie Preview issue, has a First Look photo of Depp from The Rum Diary (as well as another photo with the film's write-up in the October section). Who knows how long it will be before we might get a First Look DS photo? Hopefully it will be before next year's Summer Movie Preview issue! [ghost_rolleyes]
There are also two photos of Chloe Moretz - one accompanying the listing of Best Coast's music video as #6 on the issue's Must List - and another accompanying Hugo's write-up in the November section.
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Thanks MB for offering the reasons why TB may have had not much of a standing to prevent some of the videos and pics from being released to the media.
OT it seems The Lone Ranger JD project is in serious peril. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/johnny-depps-lone-ranger-shut-222777
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Good. So now they can film the sequel to Shadows in October. [ghost_tongue2] [ghost_cheesy]
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Finally got to check today's tweets:
There's this exchange:
FreakWithRights Serena-Saurus.
@lisbonx Tim Burton and Johnny Depp are my two favourite people. :)
5 hours ago
lisbonx Holly
@FreakWithRights i agree and Helena Bonham Carter too :') they do beautiful films♥
5 hours ago
FreakWithRights
@lisbonx Oh yes, the amazing trio. I'm looking forward to Dark Shadows. I went to the film set x)
5 hours ago
And this (which I suspect most of us can completely relate to):
Lauren_Lfc08 Laur3n -Lfcx
11th may cant come any quick Dark shadows is got cant wait to see Johnny Depp as a Vampire the babe <3 :D
4 hours ago
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OT it seems The Lone Ranger JD project is in serious peril.
Wow - that's fascinating news. Thanks for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
So now they can film the sequel to Shadows in October. [ghost_tongue2] [ghost_cheesy]
If only! [ghost_wink] But look how long it took them to get the first script ready.
On the other hand, if Lone Ranger really is dead without any chance of it being revived, that's one less potential franchise in Depp's future, which could leave more room for a DS sequel and the franchise WB is supposedly hoping for...
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Well I definitely hope that, if this film is good, the public will respond and we will see a series. A Dark Shadows trilogy would be perfect. Anything beyond 3 generally gets old, but three 2-hour movies could probably do justice to a variety of our beloved characters and plots. After the first, they could really take it in a whole new direction, but it would be great to see some familiar characters be introduced again. But we still have to wait for this one, and I am dying for a trailer to materialize! When, Burton? When? [ghost_cheesy]
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It seems like the countdown has begun for Chloe Moretz. She tweeted this to a few friends earlier today:
ChloeGMoretz
@lulucoopss @HoneyKinny @evebe yes soon? im only here for 3 more weeks! :'( lets do this soon
10 hours ago
And that makes sense considering we've been lead to believe that the end of shooting will focus on Thomas McDonell's stuff.
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And once again I learn something because I had never heard of the word blag (but maybe it's used in England more than here in the US):
jemmabolt Jemma Bolt
So,appears Ive blagged myself in2the new Tim Burton film 'Dark Shadows'- really hope Jonny Depp doesn't try it on&give it the big I am #much
1 hour ago
Apparently she is an actress.
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I'm posting links to these articles only because the person writing them indicates that Burton has used his font work in his films and there has been a bit of discussion about what sort of font the DS film will use (though in and of themselves they are interesting if you're into that sort of thing):
The Dark Shadows Font Project (http://www.fontcraft.com/fontcraft/the-dark-shadows-font-project/#axzz1V6swxXlA) (February 13, 2009)
The Dark Shadows Font Project Revisited (http://www.fontcraft.com/fontcraft/the-dark-shadows-font-project-revisited/#axzz1V6swxXlA) (August 4, 2011)
The Dark Shadows Project: A Look at Old English Fonts (http://www.fontcraft.com/fontcraft/the-dark-shadows-project-looking-at-old-english-fonts/#axzz1V6swxXlA) (August 15, 2011)
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it seems The Lone Ranger JD project is in serious peril.
Apparently those early reports were partly wrong. Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118041281) is reporting that while it's true that Disney and Jerry Bruckheimer have been arguing over the budget, Disney hasn't completely pulled the plug. Everyone is trying to figure out how they can cut the budget from $250 million down to $200 million. And if you ask me, $200 million for a non-sci-fi movie is mind-boggling in and of itself, never mind $250 million.
Oh, well - it looks like the potential for a Lone Ranger franchise to compete with a potential DS franchise could still be on...
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KatieeKattx salazar slytherin
i love tim burton, that man is a creative genius.
1 hour ago
f*ckyeahSING ass!
@KatieeKattx my dad's working with him atm :DD
1 hour ago
KatieeKattx
@f*ckyeahSING SERIOUSLY?! oh my lord - I am so jelly! what I'd give to meet that man, he created my childhood.
1 hour ago
f*ckyeahSING
@KatieeKattx He is an inspiration. Hopefully I'll get to meet him. He's working on the film 'Dark Shadows'
1 hour ago
KatieeKattx
@f*ckyeahSING oh my god D; if you meet him, I may need to eat a jar of nutella out of jealousy :L and true dat, he's such a legend.
1 hour ago
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Oh, well - it looks like the potential for a Lone Ranger franchise to compete with a potential DS franchise could still be on...
I really don't know if they can sell it. I'd be very surprised if they were able to pull off more than one Lone Ranger movie in today's market. I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but it's a hard sell. It all goes back to the first, just as with Shadows.
So,appears Ive blagged myself in2the new Tim Burton film 'Dark Shadows'- really hope Jonny Depp doesn't try it on&give it the big I am #much
Oh, I think I understood "blag" from the context... It was the rest I didn't get! [ghost_cheesy] What'd she say?
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I respectfully retract my previous comment: http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/08/14/why-was-the-lone-ranger-going-to-cost-so-much-werewolves-obviously
So... This is a joke, right? [ghost_blink]
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I think a Native American werewolf movie sounds kinda cool ... except I don't think the Lone Ranger should be involved. Oh dear. [ghost_undecided]
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My thought exactly, Mary. This seems to stray too far from the basic concept of The Lone Ranger to even have the same name. Why not call it "The Adventures of Tonto" or just "Tonto"? I am sure fans would be a lot more accepting. I don't understand why Depp was given the supporting role anyway. There is no way that he won't outshine the Ranger, making this a Tonto-centered film anyway... Just name it as such. It would actually be a creative way of going at the Lone Ranger story - without it actually having to be called the Lone Ranger.
Bringing this back to Shadows, though, I just hope that we don't have a similar surprise when we see more of the film revealed. I doubt we will since A) we are used to werewolves already, [ghost_wink] B) we have been given a basic plot outline which seems to stay true to the idea of the original, and C) Johnny Depp is indeed SUPPOSED TO BE the star of this movie. [ghost_cheesy] But, if true, this Lone Ranger movie is just one example of how horribly far a studio can take a franchise. We should be thankful that Shadows seems to be staying true to its characters and stories. At least we have no official reason to doubt that we won't recognize this film when it is done, whereas Ranger fans would most certainly seem to have cause. [ghost_wacko]
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Interesting. That article is the first I've even seen that says werewolves/skinwalkers are involved in the story. And that is a valid Native American legend, so it wouldn't really be all that shocking. I can definitely see how someone could think to tie that in with the Lone Ranger's silver bullets.
One thing that probably shouldn't be lost sight of, though, is that the article is basing its claims on an '09 draft of the script, before the current writer came on board, and who knows what he kept and what he dropped? For example, John August's original script for DS could leak and it could be very different from what we'll ultimately see in the finished film.
That being said, though, IF the werewolves/skinwalkers ARE still a part of the final Lone Ranger script, that really would go a long way in explaining what sort of special effects could have ballooned the budget to an astronomical $250 million!
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I don't want to dwell on Lone Ranger too much because I know it's off topic, but just a couple of things- while the project may not be dead for good, they cancelled a casting call last weekend (after it had only just been announced!) and are reportedly now taking down sets. Even if they can reach a compromise with the budget, it likely won't start on time in Oct. About the werewolves, nobody really knows the full story, but what seems to be shaking out is that 1) the story leak is from an old script that was scrapped a couple of years ago, and 2) most discussion, which I am not sure is based on anything but conjecture, seems to be that there might've been an element of werewolves in more of a sense of Native American spirit guides and such. But it seems there has been an awful lot of press from people who really don't know the true story. The whole thing and how it has been handled has been extremely peculiar, however. This project wasn't one of my favorites so I'm not that broken up about it per se, but the fact that the rug was pulled out like this so close to filming is quite jarring and disturbing. Thank goodness (knock wood) DS production is going about smoothly!
Edit- MB posted while I was writing, and he said some of the same things I just did, but I will post this anyway to confirm what I've heard. Just an addendum, though, werewolves or no werewolves, I think everyone is a little confused about why the budget would be $250M. Does anyone recall if the budget for DS has been discussed? I can't imagine it being near that amount.
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darrenpstone Darren Stone
massive film set in the bourne woods #farnham after the dark shadows set has been dismantled apparently this one is for #snow white
2 hours ago
I wonder if they've even started to dismantle the Collinwood exterior set yet?
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But it seems there has been an awful lot of press from people who really don't know the true story. The whole thing and how it has been handled has been extremely peculiar, however.
Indeed. But then, sadly, not knowing the facts has never stopped anyone from speculating with little to even no real information - or even to blow a small bit of actual info out of proportion - especially when it comes to articles written for the Internet. We've seen that ourselves with the DS film. [ghost_rolleyes]
Just an addendum, though, werewolves or no werewolves, I think everyone is a little confused about why the budget would be $250M.
I would guess it all depends on how prominently the werewolves/skinwalkers would factor in? If they're a really big part of the script that would require a lot of special effects... But if that's the case, what in the world was everyone involved thinking to have let things get so out of hand as to require a budget of $250 million?!
Does anyone recall if the budget for DS has been discussed?
Not to my knowledge - and I've found that very interesting. But it's likely to come out eventually. Once films are released, the amount they take in at the box office is almost invariably offset by what it cost to make them. That's why a movie that brings in $150 million can be considered a disappointment if it cost $175 million to make - or a movie that brings in even $50 million can be considered a big hit if it only cost $20 million to make.
I can't imagine it being near that amount.
I wouldn't think so. But it's hard to judge when we know so little. I found it quite surprising when we learned the other day that they were doing 3D imaging of Chloe Moretz, so the special effects in the film are obviously going to be more widespread than just involving sequences with Barnabas and with Angelique.
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Depp's Obsession A spoof, Dark Shadows (http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7284104/1/)
Too funny. And it's written by one of the forum's members who mostly lurks here.
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The only problem with that is... Well... looked how Jack's Christmas idea turned out. [ghost_cheesy] But maybe that firing of August managed to save it at the end. [ghost_wink]
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NICKRMDONALD NICHOLAS R M DONALD
Should find out today if I am going to be involved in a Big Budget Hollwood film :-p
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NICKRMDONALD
Bummer my hair let me down for being in Dark Shadows!! Either that or it was my stunning good looks!!! hahaha. Nah it was prob the hair! :-p
1 hour ago
Celine_Huys04 Celine Liette Huys
Auditions for 'Dark Shadows' by Tim Burton....ship me off please lol. (^_^)
1 hour ago
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But maybe that firing of August managed to save it at the end. [ghost_wink]
I think that bit about John August's firing was meant just to be a joke - or maybe the writer has simply misunderstood August's status with the film. And that's understandable given there have been conflicting reports. One being that August is now simply credited with Seth Grahame-Smith as coming up with the story, but with Grahame-Smith credited with writing the script. And another, stated in Grahame-Smith's own interviews, that he was brought in simply to tweak the Barnabas dialogue in August's script. Each gives August a very different status on the film. But in either instance, August is still a part of the film. And supposedly only time will tell which is the real story...
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Yeah. It is confusing. I assumed that August wrote the story with his initial script, but THAT Grahame-Smith wrote the current script based off of August's story.
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Speaking of John August he tweeted about an hour or so ago that he updated his site to include scripts he had written and Dark Shadows is one of them. Previously his site did not include DS as one of his projects.
http://johnaugust.com/about
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shall we assume that art wallace will still be receiving some sort of creative credit?
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He certainly should be since he created many of the characters who'll be featured in the film.
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Karl_Harris Karl Harris
Okay so I am seriously slacking on the tweets. Monday I filmed a short, Two Sisters, Yesterday I had a costume fitting for Dark Shadows! :-D
1 hour ago
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Tim Burton: Depp makes my job easy (http://www.film-news.co.uk/show-news.asp?H=Tim-Burton:-Depp-makes-my-job-easy&nItemID=6603)
I tried looking for the original interview, but it doesn't appear to be on the scifinow.co.uk Web site yet.
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I see where IMDb has added four more actors/characters to the credited cast list:
Jeff Mash ... Construction Worker 2
Daniel Harland ... Man (rumored)
Thomas Grube ... Construction Worker 1
Michael Anthony Brown ... Windcilff Doctor
That last one leaves little doubt that Windcliff figures in somehow, and would seem to add more credence to the possibility that Vicki was indeed escaping from Windcliff during the Beckenham Place Park shooting.
And it's interesting that Daniel Harland is listed as "rumored." I'm guessing few if any of us have even heard of him or seen any type of reports about him possibly being in the film, so where are the supposed rumors coming from? [ghost_huh] But then, Jackie Earle Haley has once again mysteriously disappeared from the cast list. Though as I've said before, obviously ours is not to fathom what goes on on IMDb...
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DJLoopsFruit The Dizziest Queen!!
@TimBurton_news all i wanna know is how is Dark Shadows coming along
4 hours ago
Sadly for Tim Burton News (and us), Burton isn't being very forthcoming. [ghost_sad] But if anyone would like to see a blast from the past, they've just posted a link to this from 1990: Johnny Depp & Tim Burton Interview Arsenio Hall 1990 FULL INTERVIEW (http://skeedy.com/news/people/tim-burton/johnny-depp-tim-burton-interview-arsenio-hall-1990-full-interview/2305277/)
Wow, they look young! [ghost_wink]
nicholas_dale Nick Dale
I just caught a glimpse of the 007 stage at Pinewood on my way to a costume fitting for Dark Shadows, a vampire flick with Johnny Depp...
1 hour ago
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Don't know if I missed this guy earlier or if he's just been added, but here's someone else from IMDb:
Duncan Casey ... Policeman (uncredited)
And I happened to notice his listing when I went back to IMDb to see if any of the new people have DS film photos. They don't. And what's really interesting is that Lee Nicholas Harris' photo as the fisherman on a boat in front of the cannery has been removed. And I just went to check and it has also been removed from the DS News blog, where it was posted just last week. Apparently someone posted that photo on IMDb without permission from TPTB. So, to say TPTB want to keep a tight rein of photos is obviously an understatement! Not that we hadn't figured that out already. [ghost_wink]
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Apparently the werewolves are gone - but it's still looking iffy for Lone Ranger:
'Lone Ranger': Director, Producer Offer to Trim Fees as Budget Battle Rages (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lone-ranger-director-producer-offer-224409)
Thankfully the DS film never seemed to have gone through battles like this. But then Jerry Bruckheimer is all about flash, often with very little if any substance, so thank heavens he has nothing to do with the DS film! Say what you will about Burton, but a Bruckheimer DS would probably feature Barnabas trying to save, not only the Collinses, but the world from cyborgs from a parallel Collinsport while Collinwood and half of Collinsport explodes around him. YUCK! [ghost_tongue]
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For what it's worth, Terry Rossio, the original Lone Ranger screenwriter, denies on his blog that there were *ever* werewolves, there would've been little if any CGI, and while there was some Native American spirituality involved, the net is making up all kinds of stories that have no truth to them. According to the Johnny Depp Zone, Rossio does not allow links to his blog (I did not know this, but I will abide by his wishes by not providing a link here), but it is easy enough to Google Rossio's site and find the relevant threads on his message board. So this new Hollywood Reporter article is a little perplexing, because it seems to contradict much of what Rossio has said. There still seems to be nobody who will stand on record to give any facts about this; even this new article is only giving unnamed sources.
Well, I know this has nothing to do with DS, but just all to say, thank goodness DS didn't suffer these types of issues. Filming is nearly finished, and (knock wood) it's all gone smoothly, and all the lovely tweets that MB and others have posted make it seem like everyone is having a great time being involved. Whew!! At this point I am anxious for it to wrap so that all we'll have to worry about is the post-production. I'm still hoping for a bone to be thrown at the fest [ghost_smiley]
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since dr.hoffman is already ensconced at collinwood when the story begins i wonder how windcliff will factor into things?
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I assumed that Elizabeth would actually hire her after we get to witness some family shenanigans. But, she could already be in the house, at which point she would simply be using Windcliff as a place to refer her newly found patients. [ghost_cheesy]
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So many questions, so few answers - exactly the way Burton wants it. [ghost_wink] And really, it is probably more fun not to know too many plot details. But on the other hand, when it comes to simple character photos, I don't see what the big deal is - especially when it comes to that photo of Lee Nicholas Harris' fisherman, which was simply a picture of an extra that barely showed anything (well, unless we were all missing something).
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abramwelsh Allan Williams
The next 2 nights are working on 'Dark Shadows' nights so I cease to exist 'til Saturday; the money's good but is it worth 48 hrs of my life
4 hours ago
Our answer would be, "Hell, yes!" [ghost_wink]
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For what it's worth, Terry Rossio, the original Lone Ranger screenwriter, denies on his blog that there were *ever* werewolves, there would've been little if any CGI, and while there was some Native American spirituality involved, the net is making up all kinds of stories that have no truth to them.
Stories with no truth to them circulating on the Internet? Unheard of! ... Yeah, right! That should only be the case. But as we know only too well, we need look no further than all the reports that said Depp would be in latest Batman movie (playing a character that isn't even a part of the film, with much of the info coming from Michael Caine no less even after others like Depp, director Christopher Nolan, and WB vehemently denied there was any truth to it) or how that Entertainment Weekly remark that said the DS film would be backburnered in favor of shooting the 4th Pirates first was blown all out of proportion and taken to mean by so many that the DS film was dead for perfect examples of stories with no truth to them taking on lives of their own on the Internet. [ghost_rolleyes]
That being said, though, it's interesting how reports are backing away from using the word "werewolves" but they're still saying things like "computer-generated scenes involving supernatural sequences" will be eliminated. So in other words, Terry Rossio could be being perfectly truthful when he denies werewolves were ever a part of the script if in his mind there were always going to be skinwalkers, which aren't werewolves per se, though many associate them with werewolves, which is no doubt why saying there were werewolves in the film probably spread like wildfire. Werewolves resonate with a lot more people than skinwalkers might. [ghost_wink] And as for Rossio's remark about little CGI, perhaps they were going to go with the traditional look of wolf pelts over the bodies of the skinwalkers along with some types of makeup effects. Though I suppose we'll never know the real story considering that that whole part of the plot has been dropped...
But anyway, according to the following article from the LA Times, things seem to be looking better for Lone Ranger - and it even has a paragraph that includes a quote from Depp and a mention of how he's currently shooting DS, so I don't feel all that bad about including a link to it. [ghost_wink] Lone Ranger may get back in the saddle soon (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/08/lone-ranger-may-get-back-in-the-saddle-soon.html)
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Don't know how she knows this. But if DS shooting in the park helped to beautify it, that's nice:
BellaLesque Belinda Street
@Beckenham glad to see what the money from filming dark shadows has gone towards http://yfrog.com/kglwhzbj
9 minutes ago
And who knows what this is about?
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Drama on set!! Haha
31 minutes ago
BradleyMatthews Brad Matthews
@Josh_TurnerGolf what you filming mate?
30 minutes ago
Josh_TurnerGolf
@BradleyMatthews a film called dark shadows massive blockbuster!!!!!
29 minutes ago
And apparently it just keeps getting worse from his POV. First from yesterday:
abramwelsh Allan Williams
Working 'til 4am sours ones judgement; it's good to look back to.
18 Aug
abramwelsh
Work with JD no chance, he's usually a figure in the distance. This is SA work we're talking about.
18 Aug
abramwelsh
Funky dancing clothes moi haw haw haw you have to know me to know how funny that is. How long is til it stops.
18 Aug
And then last night:
abramwelsh
Last night's Dark Shadows rained off; now I've got 4 days 'stead of 2. Oh those golden moments!
3 hours ago
And once again we share her pain:
BarbaraGothDepp Barbara Valentina
Come on,stop publishing false pictures of Johnny as a vampire in Dark Shadows!!!I wanna a real picture of him! #upset #impatient!
9 hours ago
[ghost_wink]
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Oops - I almost missed this one:
kr_shhh krysia whitty
@ThomasMcDonell when do you arrive at pinewood? Will see you on set boy-o!
16 hours ago
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's answered her. But based on what we know, we can pretty much figure out for ourselves that it should be about two weeks from now...
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I love this:
moon_tan
@abramwelsh It rained for real on the set of Dark Shadows and they can't film? Isn't real rain and thunder better than fake rain?
1 hour ago
[ghost_grin] But seriously, it's not better when so much electrical equipment is used to shoot movies and it could easily attract the lightning. [ghost_wink] [ghost_shocked]
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Reminds me of that comment Dennis Patrick was rumored to have once made about HoDS being his first film to use fake rain. [ghost_cheesy]
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Oops - missed this the other day:
nicholas_dale
I told my dentist's receptionist I couldn't make an appointment because I was filming. No reaction. To her I was just another movie star...
18 Aug
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NYC-based writer & arts reporter, Will McKinley, tweets about the Depp/DS film discussion during the Fest's reunion panel:
willmckinley Will McKinley
David Selby likens his cameo in Tim Burton's #DarkShadows to "Where's Waldo?"
30 minutes ago
Hopefully he's was just joking and his cameo is a bit better than that. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the cameo's are comparable to something like Camilla Ashland's appearance as Mrs. Pettibone at the hoDS costumes party. But a "Where's Waldo?" type cameo would be a whole other story...
willmckinley
Kathryn Leigh Scott says Warner Bros is hoping Tim Burton's #DarkShadows will be "the new Harry Potter" i.e. a franchise.
30 minutes ago
willmckinley
Kathryn Leigh Scott mentions a #DarkShadows sequel being planned by Warner Bros, if the Tim Burton film succeeds.
27 minutes ago
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willmckinley Will McKinley
Next event at #DarkShadows Festival is a panel on the Tim Burton reboot starring Johnny Depp. Beware! Spoilers ahead!
3 minutes ago
We should only be so lucky that something we don't already know about gets mentioned during the panel. But they're already running about an hour and 10 minutes late, so the Depp Shadows panel probably won't start until about 7:40 pm ET or later...
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Well, Midnite just texted me that she didn't really learn anything new at the Depp Shadows panel (which started earlier than I'd thought it would because, to make up time, they started even though the autograph signing session wasn't over).
Here are the online tweets:
willmckinley Will McKinley
#DarkShadows Festival showing a montage of photos of 1960s actors on the set of 2012 film. Four of them have cameos.
17 minutes ago
willmckinley
Producer Jim Pierson says Danny Elfman will be scoring #DarkShadows film, using original TV theme by Robert Cobert.
15 minutes ago
willmckinley
Producer Jim Pierson: "This is a whole new #DarkShadows that honors the original."
12 minutes ago
willmckinley
Producer Jim Pierson says Helena Bonham Carter has been watching episodes of original #DarkShadows on the set of the film.
12 minutes ago
willmckinley
Producer Jim Pierson reminds fans there 4 were versions of #DarkShadows: 1960s soap, 1970s feature films, 1990 NBC, 2004 unsold WB pilot.
9 minutes ago
willmckinley
It sounds to me like Jim Pierson is preparing #DarkShadows fans for the Tim Burton feature being different from the TV show
6 minutes ago
willmckinley
@SciFiHorrorFem that's it. Sadly, no #darkshadows spoilers. Thanks for RTs
5 minutes ago
No spoilers? What a shock! And sadly for them, apparently neither SciFiHorrorFem or Will McKinley realize how the Fests actually work or they wouldn't have really gotten their hopes up in the first place. [ghost_wink] And of course the film will be different. We already know that it will be. And thank heavens it will be because it would be no fun to have a retread of any of the versions that have come before...
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As for the new movie being "different" from the original. If I wanted to see something different I wouldn't go see "Dark Shadows". I want a Dark Shadows movie to be Dark Shadows. I'm ok with a few susprises but if I really wanted something different I go see Twilight. There's alot of other movies I could go see if I wanted to see something different from Dark Shadows. Dark Shadows to me is more than a title, it's a story that I love and that's the story I want. I'm ok with some changes but it should still be the story that I love. If not, why spend the money of the rights?
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craig did briefly discuss the new film...and showed a few slides of jonathan and david in the wardrobe trailer having their hair and makeup done.
true he could not and did not reveal much but he did speak two words that have been on my mind since this film was announced: MRS. JOHNSON.
apparently the unnamed actress playing her was in hair and makeup at the same times as selby and frid and while she's no doubt a very small part in the film i'm so pleased that she will be a presence.
more deets to come.
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I wonder why Mrs. Johnson isn't listed on IMDb? But then, as I've wondered many times, who knows what the hell goes on over there? Speaking of which, I noticed today that Jackie Earle Haley's name is back on the cast listing. Though, of course, who knows for how long considering that it has already disappeared and reappeared twice now. [ghost_rolleyes]
But anyway, thanks so much for the tidbit that Mrs. J. will indeed be in the film. [ghost_smiley]
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Don't get the wrong idea from my last post. I'm ok with twist and susprises in the new movie. It's just that when I go see a movie called "Titanic" I expect a big boat, an iceberg and I expect one to hit the other with the boat sinking. A twist where they fake the iceberg and everyone lives in hiding would be a movie that I wouldn't like. If I went to see a movie called "Frankenstein" that's about a guy that builds a race car from parts of old cars taken from a junk yard and goes on to become a champion race car driver I would not be happy.
There are some things this movie should have to be the story of Barnabas Collins. If it doesn't have them I see no point in calling it that. I just hope we have some idea if we're getting a real DS story or not before we pay to go see it.
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considering the movie is about barnabas collins, elizabeth stoddard, victoria winters, julia hoffman, angelique bouchard, roger collins, david collins, carolyn stoddard, willie loomis AND a housekeeper named mrs.johnson, that it takes place on the collinwood estate in the town of collinsport ,maine, that barnabas is the offspring of joshua and naomi collins who leave england for america in the 1700's and establish themselves in collinsport, that bob cobert is involved in the musical score and that four of the show's original stars did cameos...
well, that SORT OF SOUNDS LIKE A DARK SHADOWS MOVIE to me. call me crazy.
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Thanks to MB and Michael for the reporting on the Depp Shadows panel. I'm not surprised that there were so few revelations. Am pleased to learn that Mrs J will at least appear. Hopefully Jonny Lee Miller gets a line about "boiled New England dinners."
It's so unfair to the fans who were still getting autographs that they had to miss this. But that's par for the course for the DS Festival...
G.
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For me it all comes down to story. If you changed all the names, the people, the town, the title, even the music, we would all be able to pick out the story. If someone changed everything but the story and remade the DS we would all scream "that's Dark Shadows" in a very loud voice. I want to be able to say that, based on the story, with this new movie.
Based on the title the "Dawn Of The Dead" remake is a remake but the story has nothing to do with the original except a mall and zombies.
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An exchange that starts off with the first tweet, so I'm including it here again:
@willmckinley
It sounds to me like Jim Pierson is preparing #DarkShadows fans for the Tim Burton feature being different from the TV show
5 hours ago
Greg_Bashjian Greg Bashjian
@willmckinley Any additional details on this for those of us not lucky enough to be there would be appreciated. & thanks for the info tday
1 hour ago
willmckinley
@Greg_Bashjian what would you like to know?
59 minutes ago
Greg_Bashjian
@willmckinley I was just wondering what Jim was saying about the new movie that made you think he was preparing older fans for change.
57 minutes ago
willmckinley
@Greg_Bashjian I was reading subtext. He made a point of saying that Curtis did DS 4 times, each one different. So get ready for different
39 minutes ago
willmckinley
@Greg_Bashjian But nobody said anything specific about plot, tone, or approach. The new movie had almost no presence at this event. Odd.
38 minutes ago
Not as odd as Mr McKinley might think given the fact that Tim Burton has clamped down so hard on info about the film that it was practically impossible for Pierson to have said much more, to have shown much more, or for the film to have had much more of a presence at the Fest than it did. And it probably wouldn't hurt to keep in mind that while each one of those 4 previous versions were different, each was also unmistakably recognizable as DS. So, even if Mr. McKinley's perceptions of Pierson's supposed subtext are correct, and Pierson was trying to imply that the Depp/DS film will be different from what has come before, that doesn't necessarily mean for one minute that the Depp/DS film will be any less recognizable as DS as those 4 previous versions were. [ghost_wink]
willmckinley
@Greg_Bashjian I think it was a missed opportunity. Hand out a t-shirt or something, ya know? Get 2000 fans on board, spreading wordofmouth.
36 minutes ago
Greg_Bashjian
@willmckinley To me someone really missed out on a great opportunity to get us even more excited n spread the word more than we already are
34 minutes ago
Greg_Bashjian
@willmckinley Exactly right! The core fanbase thats still rabid 45 years later would have been a great marketing opportunity for them.
33 minutes ago
Sadly, given Burton's crackdown, it would have been impossible to hand out practically anything except a t-shirt with plain text that might have said something like:
Johnny Depp
Tim Burton's
Dark Shadows
I mean, if we're not even supposed to see a photo of an extra, Burton's not about to release a photo for a t-shirt or probably even the font the titles might be in. And plain text on a plain t-shirt, well, not exactly all that great a marketing tool. [ghost_nowink]
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oops,
above when i refered to "craig" i of course meant jim pierson.
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We knew that. No worries. [ghost_smiley]
And I just came across this article Frankenweenie Footage Screened (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=31836)
Of course footage from Frankenweenie gets screened at this weekend's Disney D23 Expo. But at this weekend's Fest could we even get so much as a glimpse of even one photo of one of the main stars of the Depp/DS film? Nooooooo. But I'm not bitter. Nope. Not at all. [ghost_nowink]
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LakeLung Lake Lung
Talking to my agent. Going to meet Johnny Depp next Tuesday on the set of Dark Shadows. So excited.
1 hour ago
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I was actually kind of hoping (against hope) that they would, at least, be able to show a teaser poster... And apparently Frankenweenie already has its logo... Let's get the ball rolling WB Marketing... and Tim... and everyone else! [ghost_wink]
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The DS film *may* already have both, too. It just could be that they don't want us to see them until they're ready for us to see them. And who knows when that will be? [idontknow] But I was just saying to someone yesterday that there's less than 9 months until the film opens, so we know the day when we finally will see something new is less than 9 months away! [ghost_cheesy]
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[ghost_cheesy] That is so true, MB! So true!
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There are some new actors and characters listed on IMDB, namely:
Jeff Mash as Construction Worker 2
Daniel Harland as Barnabas Collin's (sic) Carrier Person (rumored)
Chris Edgerley as AngelBay Boy (uncredited)
and
Benjay X Murphy as Builder (uncredited) (Have we talked about him before?)
So, we now (presumably) know that there is some sort of construction going on in the film. (Could they be fixing up Collinwood or is this ship-bulding?) Barnabas Collins has a Carrier Person. (I am thinking this is in the past.) We might be able to infer that there is a previously unknown location in Collinsport (or around the area) called Angel Bay. And finally that there is more building going on, though this could definitely be for the ships.
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Oops! MB already posted about the construction workers, but the others appear to be new. In the case of Daniel Harland, he now is something other than a "man". Rather, he is a "carrier" man. [ghost_cheesy]
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Angel Bay was mentioned a few weeks ago in this tweet:
Rillus
Been on set now down at Angel Bay - epic set! I also know a lot about fish canning now... More than I ever wanted... #darkShadows
Back then I tried to use Google to figure out if Angel Bay was an actual location in England where they might have built a set that we weren't aware of, but I couldn't really find anything conclusive. In the end, given what he said, I just figured Rillus was referring to the outdoor Collinsport/Collins Cannery set. But who knows...
In the case of Daniel Harland, he now is something other than a "man". Rather, he is a "carrier" man. [ghost_cheesy]
That added detail is interesting. And he's still oddly listed as "rumored."
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I wondered why Angel Bay sounded familiar... but I was looking in the wrong place! Thanks for that, MB. It really does make me wonder if this is a new name for a fictional location or something else. Widows Hill, Angel Bay... Devil's Cliff? All have nice rings to them. [ghost_cheesy]
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When these sorts of comments are one time things I don't even bother sharing them. But this one is being retweeted by many people this morning:
elmo_colleen colleen b.
#JohnnyDepp can suck my blood anyday #DarkShadows #2012
7 hours ago
Then this person added her own bit:
KVictoriaSmith K.Victoria Smith
RT @elmo_colleen: #JohnnyDepp can suck my blood anyday #DarkShadows #2012 Oh yes. Line forms to the right.
1 hour ago
And now that's what everyone is retweeting. [ghost_wink]
And then there's this:
NICKRMDONALD
Bet you a fiver I get a text today asking if I'm available for Dark Shadows, I'll then say yes, then the casting dir will say can't use him!
6 hours ago
His tweets regarding working on the film are becoming increasingly odd. [ghost_huh]
And this:
GuitarWedding Wedding Guitarist
Played at Pinewood Studios today. Interesting venue, great staff and got to see the set for Johnny Depp's new film Dark Shadows.
5 hours ago
And another guitarist:
BuckinghamDavid David Buckingham
Gig at Pinewood Studios. Very impressive set for Johnny Depp's Dark Shadows and I got to sit in Dopey's milk float on the set for Snow White
5 hours ago
And someone else begins work on the film:
gintarebeinor Gintare
back to #PinewoodStudios this time for #DarkShadows #WINNING
2 hours ago
Who knows what she's doing, though, because her profile gives no clue...
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Some comments from Chloe Moretz regarding working with Depp (and his look in the DS film): Smells like teen spirit ... (http://londonersdiary.standard.co.uk/2011/08/smells-like-teen-spirit-.html)
Interesting...
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Will McKinley is an old friend of mine (he was known as Billy McKinley back then). Will was running the video programming at the fests back in the early and mid-1980s when he was a teenager. He also worked for Jonathan Frid for a number of years and that included attending the fests and helping to stage performances. I think what bewildered Will is that, as a professional live event producer, not a single established protocol in discussing upcoming events was followed. This is a very big deal this movie so more was expected for this if nothing else. Obviously, all our expectations were let down.
Nancy
No spoilers? What a shock! And sadly for them, apparently neither SciFiHorrorFem or Will McKinley realize how the Fests actually work or they wouldn't have really gotten their hopes up in the first place. [ghost_wink] And of course the film will be different. We already know that it will be. And thank heavens it will be because it would be no fun to have a retread of any of the versions that have come before...
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Well, it would be pretty idiotic to spend millions of dollars making exactly the same thing all over again. If a story is being revisited and another version presented, it stands to reason it is going to be different than the original. Fortunately, there are plenty of open-minded folks out there willing to see other versions of a story.
Nancy
As for the new movie being "different" from the original. If I wanted to see something different I wouldn't go see "Dark Shadows". I want a Dark Shadows movie to be Dark Shadows. I'm ok with a few susprises but if I really wanted something different I go see Twilight. There's alot of other movies I could go see if I wanted to see something different from Dark Shadows. Dark Shadows to me is more than a title, it's a story that I love and that's the story I want. I'm ok with some changes but it should still be the story that I love. If not, why spend the money of the rights?
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You radical thinker, you. [ghost_tongue2]
Nancy
well, that SORT OF SOUNDS LIKE A DARK SHADOWS MOVIE to me. call me crazy.
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The highly-anticipated "Depp Shadows" panel, during which Jim, um, Pierson informed us that, uh, Pinewood Studios has, uh, hair and make-up people, who use, um, make-up and, uh, hairspray and, ummmmmmmm...chemicals...
As others here aleready stated there was no "discussion" on the new DS movie. Once again it was JP simply talking at the podium and showing a few slide presentation of actors in makeup. JP did say that the release date is solid.
yeah the "discussion" of the depp/burton film was a complete bust. i learn more checking this board daily than anything i got from someone personally involved in the production.
the "commentary" on the slide presentation as claude mentioned was a fascinating talk on makeup and hairspray. for what it's worth it didn't look like selby and frid were in "period" makeup or hairstyles. i assume they're part of the 1972 sequence and not something from the 1700's.
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yeah the "discussion" of the depp/burton film was a complete bust. ...
the "commentary" on the slide presentation as claude mentioned was a fascinating talk on makeup and hairspray.
That really is sad. It's almost unbelievable that that's all the presentation amounted to. And I can see why Nancy's friend Will McKinley would have expected so much more. But then at the same, it's totally believable given how such things generally pan out at the Fests. I suppose it might be a case that Mr. Mckinley hasn't attended a Fest in some time, so he's forgotten what they're actually like.
i learn more checking this board daily
We try our best to keep up with everything. Though I don't know how much longer we'll be able to because once the machine to promote the film really gears up, there's going to be so much stuff out there, especially with the Internet, that I don't know if it'll even be feasible to keep up with all of it. Like I said a while back, it was so much easier with the '91 Series because there really was no Internet to speak of and there were a limited amount of magazines and TV shows that covered the show. But nowadays the amount of information overload is staggering (particularly with regard to films). Not that we'll think it's an overload because something tells me we'll lap up every bit that we're fed and we'll still be wanting more. But there won't be enough hours in the day to keep up with everything. We'll simply have to settle for keeping up with what we can handle. [ghost_wink]
for what it's worth it didn't look like selby and frid were in "period" makeup or hairstyles. i assume they're part of the 1972 sequence and not something from the 1700's.
I could easily be wrong, but simply judging by what was being tweeted during the time the four original stars were at Pinewood, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they all make an appearance at the masquerade that was being shot at that time. And Selby's "Where's Waldo?" comment might actually add credence to that because obviously there are going to be a lot of extras involved in the shooting of the masquerade. But I guess we'll see...
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and once the film goes into post-production in the studio there will probably be several months when we don't see or hear anything.
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DanTakeMeOut Dan Take Me Out
Just on my way back from pinewood for a fitting for the new Tim Burton film. Shooting should be alright still!
1 hour ago
JustCallMeFurry Paul Furr
@DanTakeMeOut Bastard!
1 hour ago
DanTakeMeOut
@JustCallMeFurry Big fan then!? Hopefully shooting next week, Dark Shadows it's called. I'll say hello to Tim, Johnny and Helen for ya! Lol
1 hour ago
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Can someone explicate for me exactly what David Selby meant when spoke of a "Where's Waldo?" moment? Did he mean that they would just be standing in a crowd as the camera pans? That's pretty funny if that is what he meant because KLS spoke of it as the big "Ah-Ha!" moment of the movie. Although of course it is possible that each of the veterans was given her/his own little bit to do...
I'm afraid the significance of "Where's Waldo?" is lost on me. Was it a Dr Seuss title for small children?
It almost sounds as if Pierson had planned a segment that would potentially allow a Tim Burton rep to come out and talk about the movie in a more candid manner. And that Burton's organization either wasn't interested, or Burton actively communicated that he'd slap a lawsuit on Pierson if he breathed a word about anything other than the most trivial details. I would think the latter is the most likely scenario given that Pierson must be privy to quite a bit about the movie and the shoot, including having read the screenplay, etc.
The hemming and hawing makes it sound as if Pierson was extremely nervous and trying to be really careful not to say too much.
G.
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"Where's Waldo" basically means that you will have a tough time finding him in the picture, as the "Where's Waldo" series featured books which doubled as games where children (and adults) had to spot Waldo in very busy images.
This could be an exaggeration on Selby's part. Maybe he was just joshing. But, I do believe that they are all in the Masquerade scene, (even though I do think that Frid deserves a larger part than any of the others, simply because of his age and his role in Dark Shadows history). So, we will see.
Some comments from Chloe Moretz regarding working with Depp (and his look in the DS film):
And I wonder just how outlandish Depp's Barnabas outfit is to garner a reaction like that from Chloe. He dresses in rather eccentric fashion normally, and I wasn't expecting a big difference for a character who is a part of everyday society. I can't imagine we are talking makeup here. Hmmm...
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Who knows what she's doing, though, because her profile gives no clue...
Well, that mystery seems to be solved:
gintarebeinor
love my dress for #DarkShadows
7 minutes ago
I would say she's likely to be acting in the film. [ghost_wink]
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Continuation from yesterday's tweets (back in reply #886)
JustCallMeFurry Paul Furr
@DanTakeMeOut Just a bit, yeah I know the film... You gonna be a featured extra or just background fluff??
21 hours ago
DanTakeMeOut Dan Take Me Out
@JustCallMeFurry Nah just fluff probably, but they like to call you a background artist to make you feel special. Haha!
21 hours ago
JustCallMeFurry Paul Furr
@DanTakeMeOut So you gonna change your twitter name to DanBackgroundArtist? It's surely about time to drop the Take Me Out bit!!
21 hours ago
And even though this guy isn't listed for DS on IMDb, a little bit of research revealed that he works on films as a concept artist:
dermotpower dermot power
last few days on Dark Shadows...saved the best designs to last
6 hours ago
Karl_Harris Karl Harris
I got the filming dates on the set of #DarkShadows for next week. I'll be the guy that looks scarily like a tall, broader #SweeneyTodd haha.
2 hours ago
And I find it fascinating that they're still hiring people - even technical people:
mockrat mockrat
New job alert! Texture artist openings : - Junior / MID / Senior. For a chance to work on Prometheus, World War Z, Dark Shadows, Clash of…
1 hour ago
But then, post production is supposed to last into next year, so I guess it does make sense...
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Pinewood sees film revenues surge (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jZMHBXuq1Ehkli9P3gXcgMlJJNbA?docId=N0556341314168062282A) (thanks in part to DS).
And over on IMDb I see they've added another uncredited actor/character:
Nathanjohn Carter ... 70's Townsfolk (uncredited)
Presumably that's the 1970s and not the 1770s - but who knows? [ghost_wink]
And Jackie Earle Haley is still on the cast list. It might be a miracle! [ghost_grin]
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Hmmm - can this actually be true -
BarbaraGothDepp Barbara Valentina
I just want to scream!the poster of Dark Shadows was released!!!!Depp as a vampire!!so hot!!Johnny u can drink my blood! #Happy!
7 hours ago
- or is she seeing yet another fan-made poster?
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Well, there isn't a poster on IMDb in the section for one, and there's no discussion of anyone coming across one elsewhere. And there's nothing about a poster on JOHNNYDEPPZONE, or GK Films' Web site, or the Warner Brothers Web site - and neither of those last two has tweeted about a poster, which is something I have seen them do with their other films. So, either she is seeing a fan-made poster that's so good that she can't tell it's fan made (and that would be interesting because, as I shared on the 19th, she was lamenting about all the fake stuff of Depp as a vampire) or there really is a poster - but it's extremely well hidden.
If only she'd included a link in her post. But my guess right now is that there isn't a poster. If there was, why wouldn't GK Films and Warner Brothers be calling attention to it? Well, unless it leaked...
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Hmmm - she can't actually think what's on this site, which was just created today, is the poster, can she?
Dark Shadows Movie Release Date (http://www.filmreleasedate.com/2011/08/dark-shadows-movie-release-date.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FilmReleaseDateMovieReleaseDate+%28Film+Release+Date+|+Movie+Release+date%29)
I mean, Depp has facial hair in that photo, and he has no facial hair in the film. Well, at least we know he doesn't have his own facial hair... However, when you click on the image and bring up the larger version, the larger image is identified as "Dark-Shadows-Poster.jpg" - so maybe that really did fool her...
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Oddly enough, I had a dream about the poster last night. And said poster did include Depp with facial hair. And I was kind of bummed. [ghost_wub]
I will see if I can dig anything up.
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OK - this just got more interesting:
BarbaraGothDepp Barbara Valentina
#ControversyOfTheDay "the Dark Shadows" poster!!!!I saw it and I don't think is a montage!
36 minutes ago
But what I don't understand is, if she's seen it, why doesn't she tweet where she's seen it? Though what she's seen doesn't sound like the "poster" I suspected earlier that she might have seen...
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Yeah. I just saw that too. Unless she is seeing it in person, there isn't a reason to not provide a link. And even then, she could take a picture for us. [ghost_wink] No major movie sites have this thing listed, so A) it could be hot off the presses or B) it is just another imPOSTER. [ghost_cheesy]
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IF I'm translating this correctly:
Gifs_Skins Á flor da pele
"Hannah Murray está aparentemente confirmada para o novo filme de Tim Burton, chamado "Dark Shadows" que tem estréia prevista para 2012!!"
1 hour ago
It says "Hannah Murray is apparently confirmed for the new Tim Burton film, called "Dark Shadows" which is scheduled for release in 2012!!"
Though who knows who Hannah Murray is or why someone is tweeting about her in Portuguese?
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OK - here's another one:
GrasyRicci Z. Ricci
elenco de Dark Shadows: Johnny Depp, Helena Carter, Chloe Moretz, Eva Green... e agora Hannah Murray!
2 hours ago
That one says: cast of Dark Shadows: Johnny Depp, Helena Carter, Chloe Moretz, Eva Green... and now Hannah Murray!
Hmmm...
Well, a check of IMBd reveals that she is an English actress, so I suppose it's possible... Though who knows what the Portuguese connection is?
But time will tell if the reports are real or not...
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I did a bit more research and Hannah Murray's casting is confirmed on a few sites, but this page on her talent agency's Web site would seem to be the best confirmation:
Hannah Murray (http://www.troikatalent.com/clients/printpdf/michael-duff/hannah-murray/)
Interestingly, she's already appeared with Eva Green in 2010's Womb.
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I believe she is the first extra to get this much social media coverage. Fascinating...
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That's probably because people actually know who she is. I've probably even seen her work because I watched Miss Marple: Why Didn't They Ask Evans? on PBS' Masterpiece Mystery, though obviously her name didn't stick in my mind. [ghost_smiley]
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I love this exchange:
Lori_BethDC Lori_Beth DC
Happy Birthday Tim Burton. I predict the next year will be amazing. I'm holding my breath until May 2012 with high hopes.
2 hours ago
cellimachine Chris Ellison
@Lori_BethDC Why? What happens then?
1 hour ago
Lori_BethDC
@cellimachine Burton's making a movie version of Dark Shadows! w/ JDepp as Barnabas. It bodes moist panties & heart palpatations for sure.
6 minutes ago
[stfl]
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Apparently the poster mystery has been solved:
BarbaraGothDepp Barbara Valentina
Estoy molesta!!!el afiche De Dark Shadows q vi es falso y ya salio el trailer de The Rum Diary y no puedo verlo xk no teng compu!!!!nooo!!!
1 hour ago
And even though the sites I normally use to translate say it's written in Spanish, they won't fully translate it. But what they can decipher seems to indicate that the poster she saw is a fake (well, duh) and the image was taken from The Rum Diary's trailer.
Though, given that all her previous tweets on the subject were written in English, I have no idea why she couldn't explain all that in English. [ghost_undecided] But I'm sure there's some reason... And what seems even odder - at least to me - is she's *still* not saying where she saw the fake poster. But considering it IS a fake, I suppose that really doesn't matter anymore...
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HEJovel H.E. Jovel
I've a feeling we are gonna discover that Qaddaffi is actually hiding disguised as a Johnny Depp's stand-in on the set of Dark Shadows.
9 hours ago
That would be interesting. Though something tells me he wouldn't pass all that well for Depp. [ghost_wink]
DonaldEGBentley Donald E G Bentley
Has work today at #pinewood studios on #darkshadows
5 hours ago
His profile says he's an actor.
And then there's this exchange:
TrevorDMoretz trevor duke moretz
freezing and rainy in london, not going to complain bc its close to autumn :)
1 hour ago
stiofandafyyd steveD
@TrevorDMoretz Yeah, autumn solstice is gettting close. Are you guys wrapping up Dark Shadows soon? Hope the rest of your day goes smoothly!
1 hour ago
TrevorDMoretz
@stiofandafyyd we are getting mighty close
7 minutes ago
I would say so when Chloe has something like a week left of shooting.
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Some people here will probably get a kick out of the remark about Robert Pattinson's new film (and might even say to themselves, "If only!" - and you know who you are [ghost_wink]), but I'm actually including the following link because of what's said about Michelle Pfeiffer:
The Film Experience - Blog - I'm Linking As Fast As I Can (http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/8/26/im-linking-as-fast-as-i-can.html)
So I guess she is still shooting even though she was photographed in LA a few weeks back.
The funny thing is that we've heard very little about some of the actors working on the film. The most we've heard has been about Chloe Moretz and Depp. A bit less when it comes to Helena Bonham Carter and Eva Green. Even less when it comes to Bella Heathcote and Michelle Pfeiffer. Less still with regard to Johnny Lee Miller and Gulliver McGrath. And word about Jackie Earle Haley has been nonexistent.
Only thanks to Twitter, I think we actually know more about many of the bit players'/extras' experiences than we do the major stars. [ghost_sad]
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Chloe's remark about Depp's appearance as Barnabas got me wondering about prosthetics. And not just for when he's in "bite cha!" mode a la Buffyverse.
The latest comment about Depp's stand-in passing for Qaddafi makes me wonder even more. Could this by the John Yeagar version of Barnabas coming up? The action figure people will have fun with that.
All pure speculation, needless to say...
G.
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Chloe's remark about Depp's appearance as Barnabas got me wondering about prosthetics. And not just for when he's in "bite cha!" mode a la Buffyverse.
When I read her remark the first thing I thought to myself is that it's hard to know what to actually take from a 14-year-old's remark like that. In my experience, 14-year-olds often think a lot of things are weird that I don't see as all that weird.
The latest comment about Depp's stand-in passing for Qaddafi makes me wonder even more.
You've switched that around. The person tweeting was saying that we might find out that Qaddafi has disguised himself as Depp so he can pass for his stand-in - not that Depp's stand-in looks like Qaddafi. Though if he did, that would certainly be interesting. [ghost_cheesy]
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I could be alone in thinking this, but given his erratic behavior, thank heavens he wasn't cast:
Res2K Del Ali
@charliesheen Charlie would be the perfect Willie Loomis in the Dark Shadows movie coming out in 2012 with Johnny Depp as Barnabas Collins!
3 hours ago
And how did he sneak this photo (even though it's probably only a very small portion of the mausoleum and/or Joshua's coffin):
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Another bit of magic made for #darkshadows! Wana keep it tho lol http://yfrog.com/18rohmj
2 hours ago
If they get wind of it, it'll probably disappear soon, so I suppose we should enjoy it while we can...
And this is interesting:
multidyer Schultz & Wiremu
Dark Shadows will be sending all our dyes and equipment back before 16th September! so filming must nearly be over.....
26 minutes ago
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The photo of Joshua's tomb is interesting. I wonder if this was taken on scene or while the prop was in storage somewhere.
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That's beautiful workmanship on Joshua's cenotaph.
Thanks for the link!
G.
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I was just checking out some of his earlier photos and I wonder if some might also be examples of work he's done for DS. For example, one of them is of a wolf's head. And, well, we know how a wolf's head has figured into other versions of DS. [ghost_wink]
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We should be so lucky:
AyawanLee pathricia lee ayawan
Dark Shadows don't have pics yet .. Might have before the year will end ...
19 hours ago
Aand another extra heard from:
PimlicoRoad1 Keith Anderson
Gonna see Seth Lakeman Tomorrow and after show party. Then on set next week as an extra in the the new Johnny Depp movie" Dark Shadows" xx K
3 hours ago
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There is a "facts" list on the IMDB message boards which include this little tidbit. I have no idea where this information has come from.
"Burton fired John August off the project when he found out John August was not a Dark Shadows fan and did now grow up watching the show as he and Depp had."
And this one:
"They're using filming methods that Dan Curtis was known for using as to try to give it the feel of the original show without making it a parody."
Most of the other "facts" on this list are taken from various articles which we have all read. But, I have yet to see a source for these tidbits. Other "facts" have, at least, some foundation in truth, but they are still questionable.
Look at these:
"Tim and Depp are obligating all non-Dark Shadows fans in the cast and crew to watch the DVDs. Helena (who did not grow up with the show) has been watching the DVDs between takes with Michelle Phifer."
We know that Helena is watching the old episodes. We also heard that Michelle was. But where is this information about the other cast members being forced to watch DS coming from?
"They've actually built a full scale Collinwood based on notes left by Dan Curtis. It's not Computer generated. They built the entire Collinwood mansion."
Only the first floor of the exterior of Collinwood was built, so he must be referring to the interior?
Anybody else read anything in relation to those first few bits of info anywhere?
Just found it to be interesting and decided to share it over here to see what people think. No one at IMDB has brought any of it into question. So, I was wondering if anybody here could verify any of this information.
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Wow. If what they wrote is true, it sounds as if Tim Burton has become a crazed beret-wearing, riding-crop wielding, pencil-moustached, perpetually irate mad director along the lines of Z. Z. von Schnerk in the legendary Avengers episode, "Epic."
It sounds more to me like cheap taradiddle that may have a partial basis in fact (e. g. the fact that Helena is watching the DVDs may be something she decided to do on her own account, and her stories about them may have made other cast members want to watch too; this then gets twisted into Tim and Johnny demanding that EVERYONE watch the DVDs of the old show). It's obviously being posted on IMDB to discredit the director and the project, or at the very least to make both look ridiculous. I wouldn't waste any time pursuing it further.
Just my two drachmae...
G.
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Tim Burton has become a crazed beret-wearing, riding-crop wielding, pencil-moustached, perpetually irate mad director along the lines of Z. Z. von Schner
[lol2]
G, yes, I totally think it is blown out of proportion, especially the part you mentioned about Tim forcing the cast to watch the old show. But I really do wonder where some of this information is being derived from, especially the part about Burton following the direction of Curtis and Curtis drawing up plans for Collinwood. It would be fascinating if it were based in some truth...
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I totally think it is blown out of proportion, especially the part you mentioned about Tim forcing the cast to watch the old show.
But if they are watching the old show, they might include some of the classic moments. Fly's, stage hands, Barnabas Cousins and the mike booms. Maybe that will be in the gag real. :)
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This certainly makes for an interesting Collinwood:
George_________ George Caltsoudas
Dark Shadows: My Own Collinwood http://caltsoudas.blogspot.com/2011/08/my-own-collinwood.html?spref=tw
28 Aug
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This Italian Johnny Depp site shares an Italian magazine article about Thomas McDonell:
DEPPendents DEPPendents Italia
Dark Shadows.CIOé.Magazine http://johnnydepp.forumcommunity.net/?t=47501241
1 hour ago
(Click on "SPOILER (clicca per visualizzare)")
If you read Italian, it might be interesting. [ghost_wink]
And in this Alice Cooper mentions doing DS: Alice Cooper Returns with a New "Nightmare" (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/entertainment/music/alice-cooper-returns-with-a-new-nightmare-08292011)
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Hmmm - I wonder if this will turn out to be anything interesting:
THISISMAXONLINE MAX
By the way all you @ChloeGMoretz fans the lil cheeky cutie will be back on my show next Sunday on Choice, we have a surprise sshhh x
27 Aug
And if it does, hopefully someone will put it up online.
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George Caltsoudas' design is going to be taken by someone else, placed on a poster and sold on Ebay as Stuart's design was. Caltsouda has an interesting design of Collinwood. I look forward to seeing his completed design.
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Seth Grahame-Smith was born in 1976. While that doesn't keep him from being a fan it does suggest he didn't watch it growing up. At least not in it's original run.
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Good point, Borgosi.
Well, according to this post, we now know what David does in the show:David Selby Filmed Cameo For New DS Film!
In the video, he says, "I don't say anything. Oh, I say 'Delighted to be here.' But it's sort of like the old children's book 'Where's Waldo?'"
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Brumley451 shane-brumley ward
I really hope that they make Roger Collins in the dark shadows movie have homosexual leanings. Lou Edmonds would be proud. #darkshadows
13 hours ago
I believe she is the first extra to get this much social media coverage. Fascinating...
Those two tweets the other day were nothing because today there are dozens of tweets about Hannah Murray joining the DS film's cast. And as you say, fascinating. But as I said, it's all probably because people (especially people in Europe) know who she is.
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There is a "facts" list on the IMDB message boards which include this little tidbit. I have no idea where this information has come from.
"Burton fired John August off the project when he found out John August was not a Dark Shadows fan and did now grow up watching the show as he and Depp had."
"Tim and Depp are obligating all non-Dark Shadows fans in the cast and crew to watch the DVDs. Helena (who did not grow up with the show) has been watching the DVDs between takes with Michelle Phifer."
"They've actually built a full scale Collinwood based on notes left by Dan Curtis. It's not Computer generated. They built the entire Collinwood mansion."
Anybody else read anything in relation to those first few bits of info anywhere?
Much of what we know from other sources would tend to dispute a lot of that. For instance:
We know for a fact that while he was working on his version of the script, John August had multiple meetings with both Burton and Depp over a period of like a year. In all that time it never once came up that August hadn't watched DS? Possible, but not very plausible. Plus, the notion that August was fired at all is in question in and of itself. As I've said, Seth Grahame-Smith has said all he did was tweak Barnabas' dialogue. But even if it's true that at some point after that interview Grahame-Smith wrote a whole new version of the script, August is still given story credit (along with Grahame-Smith) in the official WB Press Release. That doesn't seem like someone who's been fired.
I believe it was KLS who first mentioned that Helena Bonham Carter is watching the DVDs. However, it's certainly implied that she decided to watch them all on her own. And then Michelle Pfeiffer watched some with her. And now supposedly they're both hooked on the show. I don't recall any reports that any other members of the cast are watching the DVDs. And frankly, Burton would be a very strange director if he obligated the cast to watch them as most directors want their casts to bring their own interpretations to their roles - not give carbon-copied performances of what came before. Not to mention, I've yet to ever read an interview in which an actor working on a remake/reimagining has said they want to copy a previous performance. I can certainly see Burton mentioning that the cast might want to check out the DVDs to see things like tone/style of the show - but to obligate them? Hmmm...
As for them building an entire full scale Collinwood interior set, I don't know. We've been led to believe that the biggest indoor set for the film is the Gothic entrance hall of Collinwood, which is built on Pinewood's 007 Stage, the studio's biggest stage. As I've posted before, the dimensions of that stage are 374 ft. long, 158 ft. wide, and 41 ft. high. The entrance hall has been described as huge, but it would have to be humongous to take up most of that space! I've pretty much pictured something like the set for the '91 Series' entrance hall but on a somewhat grander scale. And that set did have rooms/corridors off of it, a grand staircase, and a second story landing. The film's version could easily have more rooms off of it, and even some second story rooms. But a full scale of the entire house? I don't know. And given how many stages the film is using at Pinewood, it would seem more logical that some of the other stages house other Collinwood rooms...
No one at IMDB has brought any of it into question.
I doubt they would because most posters over there don't seem to have been following the early development of the film all that closely - or even some of the current developments. I've read all sorts of comments over there that would not have been made if they were following closely.
It's probably best to approach much of what's on IMDb with a grain of salt - and I'm not just referring to what gets posted on the message board. For example, DC is credited with creating the DS characters - but we all know that Art Wallace did - and Wallace's estate has a court decision to back that up. But obviously whoever added that tidbit about DC isn't aware of that...
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In the video, he says, "I don't say anything. Oh, I say 'Delighted to be here.' But it's sort of like the old children's book 'Where's Waldo?'"
And that, along with ProfStokes' report -
A fan asked about the new movie. KLS mentioned how she, Selby, Parker, and Frid had flown to London to film a cameo. "Do you remember a children's book called Where's Waldo??" Selby asked. "That's what our cameo is going to be like." Lara chimed in, "I know people will tell me, 'I watched that movie 75 times and I didn't see you at all.'" Hearing that was disappointing. I had thought that the actors' cameos would at least be speaking roles. It sounds as if they're going to be part of a group scene as just faces in a crowd. What a waste! Why would Burton & Co. bring them all the way to London just to make them part of the scenery
- would seem to add even more confirmation to the idea that we've had that their cameos will be akin to something like Camilla Ashland's appearance as Mrs. Pettibone at the costume party in hoDS.
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GPocock1 George Pocock
Off to Pinewood for the first time in 8 years! Can't wait to see how different it is
5 hours ago
GPocock1
Wow. The set for Dark Shadows is in-f**king-credible. Breath taking.
4 hours ago
TrevorDMoretz trevor duke moretz
I can't wait for #darkshadowsmovie to come out next year, #burtonfans are gonna FLIP when u see it, I can't contain
2 hours ago
This exchange tells us pretty much what we already knew:
Kimmiejamms Kimberlee
@ChloeGMoretz Hi Chloe :) How was your day? Hope it's wonderful! Are you still doing Dark Shadows? Have a great time! ♥ xoxo
1 hour ago
Kimmiejamms Kimberlee
@RussTaylor622 Hi :) Hope you're having a nice day! x
1 hour ago
RussTaylor622 Russ Taylor
@Kimmiejamms Pretty good Kimmie ! Thank You ! They will be wrapping up Dark Shadows by the weekend Chloe's going back home Tuesday ! :)
1 hour ago
And even more Hannah Murray tweets. You'd think she's a huge star given all the attention her casting is getting on Twitter. [ghost_wink] Though it seems like she is quite popular in Europe...
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August is still given story credit (along with Grahame-Smith) in the official WB Press Release. That doesn't seem like someone who's been fired.
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I can certainly see Burton mentioning that the cast might want to check out the DVDs to see things like tone/style of the show - but to obligate them? Hmmm...
As for them building an entire full scale Collinwood interior set, I don't know. We've been led to believe that the biggest indoor set for the film is the Gothic entrance hall of Collinwood, which is built on Pinewood's 007 Stage, the studio's biggest stage.
Thanks so much for the in-depth reply, MB. [ghost_grin]
I am really interested in learning more about the script writing process. Hopefully it will be revealed in the coming months. I find it interesting that two authors worked on it - at completely different times. While it's not unusual, it has me wondering about the reason in the case of DS. As you said, the early reports indicate that Grahame-Smith just reworked Barnabas's dialogue. However, in more recent reports, it seems to me as if Grahame-Smith has been getting most of the credit. (Maybe it's just how I've interpreted it.) It will be interesting to find out if the whole thing was re-worked or just the part we have confirmed about the Barnabas dialogue.
As for the DVDs, someone mentioned over on IMDB that Burton had the original Ed Wood films available for cast and crew to watch while they were filming ED WOOD. Perhaps this case is similar. It would be bizarre to require it, though, as you said. But, if some of the cast wanted to channel the likes of say... Grayson Hall and Joan Bennett, there would be zero complaints from me. [ghost_cheesy]
Very good observations on the interior, MB. What had me most interested about the set comment was the fact that this poster mentioned that Dan Curtis had renderings of what he'd like to see Collinwood look like and that Burton used them. That popped out just like the statement the same poster made about Burton channeling Curtis's directing. And I have seen no documentation for either of those "facts".
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Turkey's release date:
AyawanLee pathricia lee ayawan
Dark Shadows Place & Date (Will be Released) Netherlands May 10 , Spain & USA May 11 Germany May 17 & Turkey May 18 ...
16 minutes ago
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PimlicoRoad1 Keith Anderson
Still not shaving, gettin ready to be a 17th century fisherman, in the latest Johnny Depp movie" Dark Shadows" been an interesting week.
7 hours ago
Apparently he'll be working in the Thomas McDonell period sequences. And in his tweet from the 27th he said he would begin working on the film "next week," which is now this week, so I wonder if Thomas McDonell will also begin work at some point this week? There hasn't been a peep out of him on Twitter about the film. But then, there hasn't been a peep out of any of the main stars with the exception of Chloe Moretz - and even she hasn't exactly said much...
RussTaylor622 Russ Taylor
@ChloeGMoretz Hi Chloe ! I hope you're doing well ! Have a great day and enjoy your last days on set of #DarkShadows !
2 hours ago
And gee, does this mean Depp has been replaced?
AnotherTongue Another Tongue
IVAN KAYE is currently filming 'Dark Shadows' with Brad Pitt, wonder if he'll need a train to get there again... http://bit.ly/nciLVe
2 hours ago
Either that or up to this point they've really been keeping wraps on who's actually starring in the film along with Depp. [b003]
::) Some people, you really have to wonder how their minds work to mix up Depp and Pitt. And we won't even ask how Ivan Kaye comes into the picture for them...
And finally for now, it's looking like another big day for tweets about Hannah Murray's casting. One has to wonder if there were ever this many tweets for each of the main stars of the film when they were cast?!
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PinewoodStudios Pinewood Studios
600 cakes in an hour! Great work @kr_shhh
3 hours ago
kr_shhh krysia whitty
@PinewoodStudios I know!!! Big credit to darkshadows set dec girls for organising!
2 hours ago
600 cakes?! I wonder if that is actually for DS?
And then there's this:
jackie1alex Jackie Alexander
A very productive day at Pinewood studios. Saw the talented Mr Tim Burton on Dark Shadows set, sadly Mr Depp with him @MandyRosaGraves
35 minutes ago
Hmmm - who knows why that would be "sadly"?
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600 cakes?! I wonder if that is actually for DS?
Nope - there was a charity bake sale:
kr_shhh krysia whitty
Today there was a cake stall at @PinewoodStudios every cake was sold ( we made 700!) http://yfrog.com/nz8adj
2 hours ago
kr_shhh
All for charity, yey! @PinewoodStudios http://yfrog.com/h6t4dedj
2 hours ago
And a correction that makes her previous tweet rather confusing:
jackie1alex Jackie Alexander
@jackie1alex @mandyrosagraves Err...Mr Depp was NOT with him x
44 minutes ago
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jackie1alex Jackie Alexander
@MandyRosaGraves missed out the word 'not' in original tweet #dumbsister
46 minutes ago
Ah - she meant to say it was sad that Depp was not with Burton. That makes much more sense.
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No one at IMDB has brought any of it into question.
I doubt they would because most posters over there don't seem to have been following the early development of the film all that closely - or even some of the current developments. I've read all sorts of comments over there that would not have been made if they were following closely..
I guess I'm not the only one who's come to that conclusion:
J_J_Moore J.J. Moore
I swear I am going to have to stop reading the #IMDB message boards. Such uninformed posters, esp. in regards to #DarkShadows.
17 minutes ago
Though in their defense, not everyone has the time or the resources to keep up closely. Though with that being said, people should only approach IMDb for what it actually is and not as anything approaching a definitive site on movies/TV. There's way too much questionable info there across the board for it to ever be that...
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At first when I saw dozens upon dozens of tweets about this, I thought people were fixating on some old post/news (trust me, they do that - there were tons of tweets the other day about a February article about Eva Green being cast), but no - the following article from the Hollywood Reporter is new and dated today:
Jonny Lee Miller, Chloe Moretz and Helena Bonham Carter Join Johnny Depp in 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jonny-lee-miller-chloe-moretz-230236)
Saying the report is late would be an understatement - especially given that all four of them may actually be done shooting already or close to it if we can believe that shooting of the 1752 stuff starts at some point this week as per PimlicoRoad1/Keith Anderson's tweet. And what's even weirder is that the HR article has spurred reports like this one:
'Dexter' Psycho Heads to Barnabas' Castle for 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/26148)
Have the people at Bloody Disgusting not been paying attention, too?! But at least Shock Till You Drop is on top of things:
STYDNews ShockTillYouDropNews
Wow, THR, you're months old with that Dark Shadows casting news.
19 minutes ago
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I can't believe that people are STILL tweeting about the Hollywood Reporter article - there have been several tweets every hour without fail. And not only are numerous Web sites reporting about the article, some of the European news syndicates have picked it up like it's new news. It's just so bizarre. I mean, it's great that the news is spreading like wildfire. But it's just so bizarre that so many seem to have absolutely no clue that it's months-old news.
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gintarebeinor Gintare
4am on my way to #PinewoodStudios #DarkShadows if I dont tweet in two hours then I fall asleep
4 hours ago
moon_tan .
@gintarebeinor Oh don't fall asleep honey. Important to finish scenes. Is Dark Shadows getting near finished? Still filming at Collinwood?
48 minutes ago
And, yes, they're STILL tweeting about it. [ghost_rolleyes]
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I guess she fell asleep because there haven't been any more tweets from her. [ghost_wink]
And STILL yes on the other front.
One of my favorite comments from one site is this:
"Follow Hollywood News on Twitter for up-to-date news information."
Yup, news that's more than 4 months old is very up-to-date. [ghost_rolleyes]
Though at least there are some people on Twitter whose memories aren't completely shot to hell, like:
tonycoog Tony Cogan
Is it just me or does anyone else feel that this film news is late by about 6 months hollywoodnews.com/2011/09/01/joh… #darkshadowsmovie
5 hours ago
But on a completely different front, there's this:
ChloeGMoretz
sprained ankle, hurts so. so. so. much.
6 hours ago
EthanJDurkin Ethan Durkin
@ChloeGMoretz :O I hope you get better soon! Have you had to postpone filming Dark Shadows?
6 hours ago
I wonder if she did it on set? Seems quite possible given the timing of her tweet...
And an update from Chris Mullen:
Darkershadeofme Chris Mullen
@Charlie628 that's a good balance.. i'm prod sec on the new tim burton film dark shadows which is awesome.. got about a month left!
6 hours ago
As well as this intriguing update:
dermotpower dermot power
ok...probably not my last day on Dark Shadows- illustrating the denouement; on set yesterday; looks wonderful
7 hours ago
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Pinewood has revamped their Web site and the very first image that comes up on the home page is a shot of the 007 Stage. It's actually beyond humongous.
Check out: Create Iconic Productions | Pinewood - Film studio facilities & services (http://www.pinewoodgroup.com/)
It's also interesting that they're removed the old Barnabas/Julia photo from the announcement article for Depp/DS and replaced it with nothing. And it looks quite strange when one checks out the News section on the site and sees a photo for every article listed except the one for DS because all there is is a blank gray rectangle. [ghost_rolleyes] But apparently that's all Burton & Co. will allow - at least for now...
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Hmmm - wonder what this is all about with regards to Chloe Moretz:
zeusofwar13 Fabooster!
I really hate when people get into other people's business :l http://ology.com/celebs-and-gossip/chloe-moretz-tweets-shes-hurt
9 hours ago
stiofandafyyd steveD
@zeusofwar13 Maybe that's why she deleted her last tweet :-/
9 hours ago
WLechnerMUC Wolfgang Lechner
@stiofandafyyd Which one? I thought the one about her ankle was her last. And thanks for the FF - it's highly appreciated... :)
9 hours ago
zeusofwar13
@stiofandafyyd what other tweet?
9 hours ago
stiofandafyyd
@zeusofwar13 @WLechnerMUC She said something about having such a great night. Then it was gone all of a sudden.
9 hours ago
zeusofwar13
@stiofandafyyd @wlechnermuc why would she delete that though?
9 hours ago
stiofandafyyd
@zeusofwar13 @wlechnermuc Have no idea, Leo :-/ Definitely surprised me.
9 hours ago
WLechnerMUC
@stiofandafyyd @zeusofwar13 I don't think she noticed that dumb website's post. Must be something else, like it was something secret...
9 hours ago
stiofandafyyd
@WLechnerMUC @zeusofwar13 Maybe a little wrap-up party for Dark Shadows? Still strange though. It was just a regular, innocent tweet.
9 hours ago
zeusofwar13
@WLechnerMUC @stiofandafyyd idk but I hope she's gonna be ok
9 hours ago
Though the bigger mystery is why that Web site thinks she's already shooting The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea? [ghost_rolleyes]
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amazingly i still see the occasional "announcement" about the depp/burton film from DS fans on facebook and the surprised replies they start. [ghost_huh]
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It is amazing - and amazing that people are still tweeting about THR article.
But on a different front of amazing:
Robbiehayes Robbie Hayes
#Dark Shadows set is amazing, also saw Depp in full costume, very exciting and cant wait for the release..
19 minutes ago
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Forgot to check Matthew Morris while checking tweets the last few days and I missed some things:
1mattmorris matthew morris
Filming at Pinewood studios friday.Looking forward to it!
31 Aug
1mattmorris
On my way to pinewood studios to film with johnny depp!
1 Sep
1mattmorris
Pinewaood studios is busy busy this morning!
2 Sep
1mattmorris
Waiting for hair and make up. Nice early time call!
2 Sep
And getting back to more current tweets:
TimLeCouch Tim the Couch
People-ings! Don't worry if I am Totes missing in action, this coming week. I am too busy filming "Dark Shadows" with Johnny Depp :)
1 hour ago
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PhilipBloom Philip Bloom
3 days at Pinewood Studios with RED Europe and REDucation starting tomorrow to lean all about RED acquistion and post. #stillLearning #fb
2 hours ago
Rustmonster Russell Honeywell
@PhilipBloom If you her a break try and have a look at the sets for Snow White, Dark Shadows and if you're really sneaky, Prometheus!
56 minutes ago
Philip Bloom works in the industry as a cinematographer and filmmaker, and it's always interesting to see what people like that have to say about the DS sets.
From what I've seen on Twitter since posting the tweet from Robbie Hayes yesterday, it seems like he may have taken part in a special tour of Pinewood yesterday that included access to two sets, DS being one of them. Who knows how Burton and Co. allowed that. [ghost_wink] And they even got to see Depp in costume. [ghost_shocked] So, they probably now have representatives from the film living with them and following their every move to keep them from saying anything! [ghost_grin]
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Oops - more Matthew Morris:
Jesm30 jesm30
@1mattmorris have you filmed outside on the back lot at pinewood? I've seen the huge set from the park- it looks amazing! Have a gd day!
8 hours ago
matthew morris
@Jesm30 yes I have. Working on DS. Thanks. Take care
8 hours ago
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And speaking of photos, here's a collage as only Perez Hilton would caption it. [ghost_rolleyes]
Apparently Perez Hilton updated his collage in light of THR article: Even MORE Actors Join Cast Of Tim Burton's Dark Shadows! (http://perezhilton.com/2011-09-01-tim-burton-movie-adaptation-dark-shadows-gets-more-castmembers)
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4DMax_Ltd Duncan M B Lees
@PinewoodStudios again today waiting for round two of 3D scanning with Mr Depp; a long weekend of processing for Snow White behind us.
9 hours ago
Interesting. Wonder why they need to do even more scanning?
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Another week on #darkshadows begins ... We hope!!
8 hours ago
Wonder what he's building now?
multidyer Schultz & Wiremu
Seems filming of Dark Shadows will go on for a few more weeks than expected! So longer getting our equipment back! Oh well....had to happen!
25 minutes ago
Very interesting. But we sort of had a hint of that from Chris Mullen last week.
ChloeGMoretz Chloë Grace Moretz
3 days left in London!! so sad :( crazy to think that in one week i'll have been in London, Los Angeles, and Toronto :O jeez.
17 minutes ago
Apparently she's not leaving on Tuesday as a friend of hers tweeted last week. But then, perhaps spraining her ankle extended things...
And good heavens - people are still tweeting about THR article!!
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Oops - I missed this follow-up the other day:
gintarebeinor Gintare
@moon_tan now action is happening in Angel Bay I think they still filming all this month cause I have to come back for more filming on 23rd
3 Sep
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It looks like IMDb has added two more to the cast:
Andrew Crayford ... Townsperson (uncredited)
Duncan Meadows ... Mob (uncredited)
Hmmm - could that be part of a mob with firebrands? [ghost_cheesy]
Also, it looks like the film has climbed from its most recent low of #659 up to #503 on MOVIEmeter. Interestingly, the jump is being attributed to recent Frankenweenie publicity. (Not because of Hannah Murray's casting?! [ghost_shocked] [ghost_grin] But then, she isn't even on the IMDb cast list yet. [ghost_nowink]) However, even though it's old news, it'll be interesting to see if all the attention THR article has gotten will push the film up further...
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sixtyclicks Alex Kyrou
First day of work as VFX Editor at MPC. A lot to take in, but excited to be working on the new Tim Burton "Dark Shadows".
2 hours ago
1mattmorris matthew morris
Hoping to get back on for the re shoots of dark shadows!
34 minutes ago
Hmmm - I wonder what and why they're reshooting?
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Someone just shared these videos on IMDB. I don't recall seeing them in this thread, so I figured I'd share. (Though the second one looks familiar... [ghost_huh])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydYAVPUOLQ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydYAVPUOLQ0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9afxuuybWM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9afxuuybWM)
Not much new, but it did get me thinking...
Since apparently there is
[spoiler]a fire at Collinwood at some undisclosed time, we have to assume a great deal is lost. So, if the fire takes place between 1772 and 1972, what does this mean for the portrait of Barnabas Collins and every other important prop from the 18th century? And if it takes place in the "present", what does this mean for our beloved Collinwood and all of its props, assuming there are to be sequels? Naturally, all important elements like portraits, music boxes, and grandfather clocks could be saved somehow, but it just makes you wonder...[/spoiler]
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Someone just shared these videos on IMDB. I don't recall seeing them in this thread, so I figured I'd share.
Both definitely look new to me (though I've only peeked at the beginnings - I'll check them out closer later today), so thanks so much for sharing the links. [ghost_smiley]
And the[spoiler]fire[/spoiler]is certainly going to be an interesting development in the film's plot no matter when it takes place. I'm really intrigued...
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michaelidato Michael Idato
Jonny Lee Miller joins Johnny Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer in the big screen version of Dark Shadows. #excited bit.ly/n6Enva
1 hour ago
KylieSpeer Kylie Speer
@michaelidato Oh I LOVE him #jonnyleemiller #sickboy
1 hour ago
michaelidato
@KylieSpeer Met him a few times, once London and once LA, and found him lovely. V. excited he's in Dark Shadows. #favetvshowofalltime
1 hour ago
I know I've said this before, but I've really enjoyed Jonny Lee Miller in everything I've ever seen him in, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what he'll bring to Roger.
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The reference to DS in this article: Method Studios Launches Three Australian VFX Facilities (http://www.btlnews.com/crafts/post-production/method-studios-launches-three-australian-vfx-facilities/) would seem to indicate another facility working on the visual effects for the Depp/DS film because the MPC mentioned in Alex Kyrou's tweet of yesterday stands for Moving Picture Company, and they don't seem to be related to Method Studios.
Also, MPC's Web site looks like it might be a place to keep an eye on because they have a page for DS, though there's not much to it at the moment: DARK SHADOWS (http://www.moving-picture.com/index.php?Itemid=916&option=com_content&view=article&id=1402&contentview=single§ion=2)
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as she previously tweeted Chloe is leaving this week.
Last 2 days in London!! :O so sad...
9 hours ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry
Re: MPC nice! Very good detective work MB
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Variety reports that WB has signed DS writer Seth Grahame-Smith for future projects and praised his "fantastic work on Dark Shadows"
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118042281
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It's never a bad thing when the studio thinks your work is "fantastic." [ghost_wink] And it certainly bodes well for the film that his script work on it prompted WB to make it a priority to expand their relationship with him.
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J_J_Moore J.J. Moore
The always "iffy" IMDB now lists #BellaHeathcote as playing Victoria Winters AND Josette duPres in #DarkShadows. Hope it's true. We'll see.
1 hour ago
Not much of a surprise there considering that when she was cast her role was described as resembling Barnabas' lost love. [ghost_wink] Though, of course, he's right to say that what's on IMDb can be considered "iffy"...
And speaking of Bella Heathcote, she's changed her photo on Twitter again - though who knows what it's from...
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Can't imagine a DS movie without Josette but it is reassuring.
Thomas McDonnel giving a heads up of sorts to his fans that he may cut off his hair-assuming it's for the DS role
ThomasMcDonell
How mad would you guys be if I got off my hair...???
32 minutes ago
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Thomas McDonnel giving a heads up of sorts to his fans that he may cut off his hair-assuming it's for the DS role
ThomasMcDonell
How mad would you guys be if I got off my hair...???
32 minutes ago
Given the time period his sequences in the film take place, it would seem odd for him to cut his hair for DS. But then, Chloe Moretz cut her hair and then put in hair extensions for DS, so go figure...
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Perhaps he was thinking of a new project he will be working on in the future? Maybe he will be in a tweeting mood. Re: DS IMDb page in the trivia section it says Anne Hathaway and Jennifer Lawrence auditioned for the role of Angelique. With that site it is hard to know if this is true.
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Oops - seems I missed this one yesterday:
multidyer Schultz & Wiremu
Next job....distressing some clothes for re-shoots!!! Will tell all on another tweet when and if we can! Very secret!
5 Sep
"Very secret!"?? What is it exactly about the film that ISN'T very secret??!! [ghost_wink]
Also, someone on IMDb is reporting that Chloe Moretz mentioned in her interview this past Sunday that Michelle Pfeiffer completed shooting her scenes at the end of last week.
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I gave up hoping/looking for a video like this from the Comic-Con panel with Lara Parker, KLS and Jim Pierson, but apparently someone finally uploaded one on August 20th, and I stumbled across it tonight. Better late than never. [ghost_wink] And the nice thing is that it answers and clarifies a lot of things about the Depp/DS film:
Dark Shadows The Classic Series and the New Tim Burton Film @ SDCC 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VTjibdOUdM)
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A great watch that puts things into perspective. Thanks for sharing, MB!
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ChloeGMoretz Chloë Grace Moretz
Last day of set on #DarkShadows :'( am really really really. gonna miss everyone from this movie it's been such an amazing experience :(
8 hours ago
unhappyparanoia Wangbaoliang
@ChloeGMoretz don't be so sad ,enjoy the last day on #DarkShadows,it'll be a good memory to you :)
8 hours ago
Miss_Autonomy laura lockwood
@ChloeGMoretz so excited for #DarkShadows ! With that cast and creative crew and director it HAS to be amazing! Can't wait to see it
8 hours ago
gabriel0923 Gabriel
@ChloeGMoretz I can't wait to see #DarkShadows! With such a great cast & director, I'm sure it will be spectacular! #talentoverload
6 hours ago
snakebite90 Niklas Wallh
@ChloeGMoretz sad that the filming of #DarkShadows has come to an end . But happy that we're getting closer to the release of the movie :D
5 hours ago
Definitely! [ghost_smiley]
dermotpower dermot power
finished Dark Shadows with a couple of dark gothic images....bit of thumb twiddling then prep for StoryTelling festival talk end of month
5 hours ago
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Casually bumped into tim burton! And caught a cheeky glimpse inside his trailer! It looks the nuts! #darkshadows
2 hours ago
TrevorDMoretz trevor duke moretz
bout to shoot @ChloeGMoretz last shot of the #darkshadows sadness
1 hour ago
girlalex8719 Alex
I can't believe Dark Shadows is almost done filming (rumor) and we still haven't seen cast photos?! I want/need to see Depp in costume.
3 minutes ago
And who knows how much longer it's going to be if Burton and Co. have their way...
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Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Another day another dollar! Tomorrow however is looking like the end of #darkshadows!
27 minutes ago
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i don't know who jennifer lawrence is but i find the information about anne hathaway to be a bit suspect...
it seems that hathaway is more of an "above the title" leading lady at this point than the type of actress who has to "audition" for supporting roles.
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Jennifer Lawrence is a great young actress who was Oscar-nominated last year for Winter's Bone. She is also starring in The Hunger Games, which I'm not really familiar with but it's apparently a big hit book series with teens. Anyway, at only 21 she seems way too young to play Angelique (maybe she could've played Carolyn if they'd wanted an actress who was closer to the original character's age). But I think we can all agree that anything on IMDb should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
Hoping not to get too far off topic, here, but Johnny was at the GQ Men of the Year awards last night to present a Writer of the Year award to Keith Richards (for his autobiography, Life). It could be me totally projecting my imagination on these photos, but I can envision a bit of a dark and mysterious Barnabas coming through in a few of the pix
http://www.popsugar.com/Johnny-Depp-Pictures-2011-GQ-Men-Year-Awards-18994108
Also, a few folks on my Depp forum noted that something seems wrong with his thumbnail, and he seemed to have some of his fingernails painted at the Alice Cooper show he recently performed at. So could Barnabas perhaps have long/creepy vamp fingernails?
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Oops, I should've added this video, where he's talking about being locked up in the basement, which I totally took as a little Barnabas nod
Johnny is seen at about the 1:20 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXWhWU7XtKc
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Chloe had some things to say about the film-the linked video contains a statement she made about her character that may or may not be considered a spoiler but since it's out there....
http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/9/7/chloe-moretzs-dark-shadows-cheekbones-tom-hardy-aversion.html
ps to save some time you can click on the Interview Excert to hear about what she says about DS
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Re: DS IMDb page in the trivia section it says Anne Hathaway and Jennifer Lawrence auditioned for the role of Angelique. With that site it is hard to know if this is true.
In an earlier interview with Eva Green, she made it seem as if Burton had wooed her for the role from the getgo, so I am not sure how much faith I have in that tidbit.
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Oops - missed this from yeaterday:
abramwelsh Allan Williams
Here we are at Pinewood and its not raining, I guess we're going to be here 'til morning.
7 Sep
Apparently he's still shooting.
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Potentially the last day on #darkshadows today!! Its been emotional!
9 hours ago
And even on her last day in London she's still working on something. I think this girl is giving Depp a run for who's actually the biggest workaholic! [ghost_wink]
dionneofficial Dionne Bromfield
Video Shoot in London wit My crazy Friend @Chloegmoretz & the Lovely @BrattOnline .x
8 hours ago
ChloeGMoretz Chloë Grace Moretz
on my way to @dionneofficial's #OuchThatHurt video shoot! Xxxxx excited #LastDayInLondon
5 hours ago
And it was looking like she'd left London by now or soon would:
ChloeGMoretz
3 hours left in London :( nooo
3 hours ago
but:
ChloeGMoretz
#flightdelayed looks like london doesn't wana say byyyeee, looks like ill be flying out around 9pm now D': wwaahhh
16 minutes ago
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Once again KLS is talking about the Depp/DS film. Most of it is the same stuff we've heard before - but this bit seems new:
BD: What are your hopes for the film?
KTS: I hope Dark Shadows leaves Harry Potter in the dust and becomes the new long-reigning box office champ! I also hope we get to play cameo roles in all the sequels!
I don't know whether or not it can be quite that successful - but we should only be so lucky. [ghost_wink]
A link to the entire interview can be found in this topic on Calendar Events / Announcements '11 II:EXCLUSIVE [Interview] Original 'Dark Shadows' Star Kathryn Leigh Scott!![/url]
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Interesting no one here has a reaction to Chloe's comments describing the DS movie "as a mixture of Beetlejuice and Sweeney meets Sleepy Hollow It definitely has a bit of scariness, but it has the fun-ness of Beetlejuice and the craziness of Sleepy Hollow."
Well eveyone who has read the script has said it is a very funny movie-hope it is not that funny.
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After the Comic Con panel, I was expecting that. Not too upset, since Sweeney and Sleepy play a part. It is not going to be the very serious interpretation we had in 1991, and I have come to terms with that. And Beetlejuice was a lot of black humor, so I'd hope for the same thing here. Plus, this new take may just make KLS's statements come true. I am ready for almost anything as long as it maintains integrity.
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Cousin Barnabas I was also hoping for a serious interpretation as we had in the 91 series. The 91 series did have some light moments but I don't think that series could ever be compared with Beetlejuice imo. I don't think KLS would say anything negative about the movie for several reasons so I'm not sure she is an impartial person in this context. Let's hope that the movie is much more scary than what Chloe stated it is.
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I can't say that Chloe's remark struck me all that much, so that's probably why I never commented on it. I probably won't have a problem with the Depp/DS film if it turns out to be a combination of those three other films because 1) it's probably all a matter of degree when it comes to each film's style, and 2) two of the three (Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd) aren't played for laughs. That being said, though, the only one of those films that I've seen is Sleepy Hollow and I only know the other two through reputation. But I wouldn't mind in the slightest if the Depp/DS film turns out to be anything like Sleepy Hollow. And actually, when people connected to the film describe it, the Burton title that comes up far more often than the other two is Sleepy Hollow.
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Hoping not to get too far off topic, here, but Johnny was at the GQ Men of the Year awards last night to present a Writer of the Year award to Keith Richards (for his autobiography, Life). It could be me totally projecting my imagination on these photos, but I can envision a bit of a dark and mysterious Barnabas coming through in a few of the pix
Actually, at this point any and all photos of Depp are appreciated because they're the closest we're getting to having any sort of idea as to what Depp looks like. And speaking of which, unless he wears a wig in the film (and I don't mean a powdered wig in the 1772 scenes [ghost_wink]), I'm guessing he doesn't sport Frid's trademark spikey Barnabas bangs because his own hair is too long for them. In fact, if his own hair is any indication, the look of Barn's hair may indeed turn out to be very similar to the Depp/Barn portrait that was displayed at the '07 Fest.
Also, a few folks on my Depp forum noted that something seems wrong with his thumbnail, and he seemed to have some of his fingernails painted at the Alice Cooper show he recently performed at. So could Barnabas perhaps have long/creepy vamp fingernails?
Interesting Possibility...
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Chloe had some things to say about the film-the linked video contains a statement she made about her character that may or may not be considered a spoiler
Well, one thing she said that's certainly not a spoiler is that Carolyn has a secret because the WB Press Release from back in May told us that all the members of the Collins family are "each harboring their own dark secrets." That was one of the things about the press release that I found most intriguing.
What I was most happy to hear from the interview was that it confirmed that she did indeed say that Michelle Pfeiffer had completed shooting last week. Not that I really doubted what was posted on IMDb because the poster had attributed the info to Moretz and this interview. But it's still nice to get the actual confirmation in Chloe Moretz' own words. [ghost_wink]
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In an earlier interview with Eva Green, she made it seem as if Burton had wooed her for the role from the getgo
One thing we do know is Eva Green was suggested for Angelique by Graham King after he saw her work in his production of Camelot. I don't recall reading that anyone else was ever considered for the part. But, considering all the secrecy surrounding the film, that certainly doesn't mean that no one else ever was. Though to read that Anne Hathaway supposedly auditioned was interesting because prior to casting her name was most associated with Victoria, not Angelique.
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Actually, at this point any and all photos of Depp are appreciated because they're the closest we're getting to having any sort of idea as to what Depp looks like.
In that case, for your consideration, here is a YouTube of Johnny (and Tom Stoppard) doing the GQ award presentation to Keith Richards. Johnny comes in at about the 2 min. mark if you want to skip ahead. (ETA- I have no idea what the clip's title, "Improper Johnny Depp", is supposed to mean [ghost_rolleyes]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc9j3IdrO_o
What's of interest to me here is the voice and his body language. Being a bit of a Depp fan [ghost_grin], I've heard him do a fair bit of public speaking, and he definitely seems to me to have a bit of a different vibe going on than usual (example, how he stretches out the phrase "on his own terms.") He's keeping his voice quite low and gritty. Could it be a hint of Barnabas? Or was he just hanging out too long with Keith backstage? [ghost_wink] I could be way off, but it does seem like he carries bits and pieces of his characters with him when he's working on something, so who knows?
As for the hair style, I've been wondering that for months (years??). I am hoping for Johnny *not* to do the Frid bangs, because I feel that would be too literal; somehow I'd like for that to stay a Frid trademark. I am almost assuming that he'll have a wig for the 1700's and will probably be disappointed if he doesn't. As for present day, who knows?
I'm fine with Chloe's remarks because both Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd *do* have some humor, but still retain a very dark atmosphere. Beetlejuice is perhaps a tad more comedic than I'd like from DS, but even that one has moments that are very dark. It's a funny feeling hearing that she (and Michelle) are done, but it's kind of exhilarating in a way!! I wonder how much longer Johnny will be there, and I wonder when McDonell will start...
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Well, not only do we know that Chloe Moretz has left Londo, we know where she went and why:
ChloeGMoretz Chloë Grace Moretz
So excited for #TorontoFilmFestival for the #Hick premiere tomorrow night!! xxxxxx ahhh dreams coming true <3
6 hours ago
ChloeGMoretz
Byee byeee London, hey toronto ;) cya at 12am!!!! #jetlag
4 hours ago
ChloeGMoretz
ByeBye London cya in a few hours Toronto!! :) not excited for the flying bit :( hopefully it'll be all good! #AirCanadaaa
3 hours ago
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Oops - and again I'm late in finding one of Matthew Morris' tweets (though I could swear when I checked late last night/early today, it wasn't there):
1mattmorris
@ChloeGMoretz saw you last week in full costume looking great. I was working in a scene on the harbour. Good luck!
7 Sep
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ETA- I have no idea what the clip's title, "Improper Johnny Depp", is supposed to mean [ghost_rolleyes]
That is a very odd title. [ghost_huh] But -
What's of interest to me here is the voice and his body language. Being a bit of a Depp fan [ghost_grin], I've heard him do a fair bit of public speaking, and he definitely seems to me to have a bit of a different vibe going on than usual (example, how he stretches out the phrase "on his own terms.") He's keeping his voice quite low and gritty. Could it be a hint of Barnabas? Or was he just hanging out too long with Keith backstage? [ghost_wink] I could be way off, but it does seem like he carries bits and pieces of his characters with him when he's working on something, so who knows?
- I'm with you that the way he introduced Richards was certainly different from what one generally sees from Depp.
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His intonations are an odd mix between those of Bela Lugosi and some kind of modern Beatnik.
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Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Last day on dark shadows today!!! Its been emotional!!
24 minutes ago
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Jimbo, I decided awhile back that I was not going to second-guess what the movie will be like even when comments from those who have read the script come into play. What is actually shot can change considerably in tone/mood/structure when the director and the editor get together in post-production.
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Interesting no one here has a reaction to Chloe's comments describing the DS movie "as a mixture of Beetlejuice and Sweeney meets Sleepy Hollow It definitely has a bit of scariness, but it has the fun-ness of Beetlejuice and the craziness of Sleepy Hollow."
Well eveyone who has read the script has said it is a very funny movie-hope it is not that funny.
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What is actually shot can change considerably in tone/mood/structure when the director and the editor get together in post-production.
That's an excellent point.
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Apparently I also missed thess two the other day:
Dan Frye
Thank you,Dark Shadows for a great 5 months...thanks to James,Kristyan and especially Joel for everything..,(and the great crew)..not thanking all of u..(.its not the f**king Oscars!.)..ill leave that to Joel
11 Sept
(Dan Frye worked in the Makeup Department of the film)
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wildflowerturf James Hewetson-Brown
@filmscapes delivering 570m² wildflower turf today for the latest epic film - Dark Shadows, a supernatural drama starring Jonny Depp - WOW!!
7 Sep
I'm beginning to wonder if everything DS-related doesn't always come up every time one searches Twitter because the second one was tweeted shortly before dermot power's tweet about finishing up his time on DS with a couple of dark gothic images, and I did see/post that one. And there's that one from Matthew Morris, also from the 7th, that suddenly showed up yesterday...
But anyway, I wonder what they were delivering turf for that time?
LLCarrington Lynette Carrington
#FF @AliLevineDesign One of those uber cool costume designers kickin' it in Hollyweird! #DarkShadows
2 hours ago
I wonder if she actually designed anything for DS? She's simply listed as a "costumer" on IMDb - and as we know, Colleen Atwood is on record as the film's costume designer.
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Nancy that is very interesting and informative that post production can change some things that were filmed. Let's hope for the best.
Speaking of Beetlejuice here is its theatrical trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hovKm9oFiM
MB I also find conducting searches on Twitter to be a very frustrating. Its search engine results are so inconsistent it really is pathetic. On one search I found about 100 DS tweets for an hours time frame and then most of them disappeared when I refreshed the page only to show 5 for that same one hour period. In fact one of my tweets made the DS results list only to be completely removed to date.
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I just saw that Alice Cooper is on The Tonight Show tonight. He probably won't talk about the Depp/DS film. In fact, he may not talk about anything because it says he "performs," not that he's interviewed. But if Jay Leno does talk with him, the film might come up. After all, Cooper did talk about it briefly on an English talk show he did back in August.
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Hmmm -
kr_shhh krysia whitty
Is unemployed!!! Farewell #DarkShadows
2 hours ago
- interesting considering the film has at least two more weeks to shoot. But I suppose they probably don't need to buy more props at this point.
Also, I'm excerpting this from the latest KLS interview added to the Dark Passages topic on the "Calendar Events / Announcements '11 II" board -
EJ: If your book(s) were being made into a movie, who would you cast for the leading roles? Why?
Kathryn: Carey Mulligan is the first to come to mind to play Meg Harrison. Young Bella Heathcote, who plays Josette DuPres in the new Warner Bros film of Dark Shadows, would also be a good choice.
because I find it interesting that KLS should refer to Bella Heathcote as playing Josette rather than Victoria. But then, maybe that's not such a surprise after all. [ghost_wink]
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so now it seems as though it's "official" that josette will be part of the film and played by bella heathcote? for a long time she was just barnabas' "lost love". considering all of the secrecy surrounding the project i wonder why this was announced at this late date when most of the other major casting was made public months ago?
and you just KNEW that KLS is going to move heaven and earth to more closely associate herself with this film...mentioning the part that SHE played(josette) and completely leaving out the part she didn't play(victoria) on the original series even though it looks as though the piece will largely be set in 1972 and vicki heathcote's major role.
i'm sure it quietly burns la scott that maggie is not in the film.
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Not having seen the film yet, I'm guessing the photo is from Sweeney Todd?
pudimdaluna Luna Lovegood
Photo: › I demand this in Dark Shadows. http://tumblr.com/xgv4lo06rk
3 hours ago
If so, I'm guessing she wants Barnabas and Julia to marry? Well, while I wouldn't count on that, it would certainly be an interesting development...
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I just checked my DVR and Alice Cooper only performed. Oh well. But it's not like we weren't told that was what he would do...
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and you just KNEW that KLS is going to move heaven and earth to more closely associate herself with this film...mentioning the part that SHE played(josette) and completely leaving out the part she didn't play(victoria) on the original series even though it looks as though the piece will largely be set in 1972 and vicki heathcote's major role.
I would consider (the idea of) Josette and (the character of) Victoria to be equally important in the original Dark Shadows universe, standing with the likes of Barnabas Collins himself. In my opinion, since 1991, Victoria has ceased to be a character who can hold her own when pitted against the idea of the character of Josette. Her purpose has been to be, in Barnabas's eyes, Josette. She doesn't really have any story of her own. She is simply part of the story of Barnabas Collins. In the original series, especially in the early episodes, Victoria could hold her own. She needed no one to make her important. She was the main character. Since that point, however, she has become secondary to Barnabas Collins, and now, sadly, I feel the only reason she is included is as an homage to tradition, not because she, as a standalone character, is essential to the plot. But, who knows? Maybe the new version of Dark Shadows will change that and catapult Victoria back to her original position as the leading character. But, if the evolution of the story has any bearing on the new film, we could have probably called her Maggie, Roxanne, or even Rachel and her purpose would still be to carry on the legacy of Josette, making her secondary to Barnabas Collins, as her role is now to help fill out the Barnabas character.
I do not personally take issue with that. It's a clean way of tying together all of the angles from the first part of the series. And it worked beautifully in 1991. But, it seems that without Josette, and Barnabas, the character of Victoria is really inconsequential anymore. We will have to wait and see if this has changed with the new movie, but it wouldn't seem as if it has considering KLS's latest remarks.
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interesting point...
but really the same could be said of ALL of the other characters on the original series after barnabas became the focal point. they all functioned as his supporting cast and none of them...even very prominent charcaters like julia and angelique...had storylines of their own. whatever they were doing barnabas factored into in a major way. arguable the only other character that came onto the series after barnabas took over that could function as a standalone character with their own storyline was quentin and he's not in the film.
my point was that KLS simply neglected to mention...and in effect is negating...the character that she herself did not play. since most of the publicity surrounding the project refers to heathcote as having been cast as victoria winters is a rather deliberate and glaring omission.
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since most of the publicity surrounding the project refers to heathcote as having been cast as victoria winters is a rather deliberate and glaring omission.
Exactly.
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Gruffnstuff Gareth Thomas
Oooh Tim Burton and Johnny Depp in Richmond Park atm!
22 hours ago
Burtonie Burtonie
@Gruffnstuff Сould you please tell any details about Burton & Depp in Richmond Park yesterday? Thanks in advance.
1 hour ago
Gruffstuff
@Burtonie Afraid that's all I know. Filming Dark Shadows.
1 hour ago
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my point was that KLS simply neglected to mention...and in effect is negating...the character that she herself did not play. since most of the publicity surrounding the project refers to heathcote as having been cast as victoria winters is a rather deliberate and glaring omission.
Oh, I get that. I just don't see it as being relevant to the question she was asked. Clearly Heathcote is playing a character KLS played, and since KLS's main character is based on herself, it would make sense to say that someone playing a character you once played could play you. Confusing, much? [ghost_cheesy]
And there wouldn't be a need to bring up Victoria, as Victoria has nothing to do with KLS's book, so I don't see the omission as being all that grave. Vicki and Maggie merged identities. It no longer matters what you call one or the other. They are the same character anymore, existing to fill the role of Josette. I don't think KLS is purposefully trying to banish the fact that Victoria Winters was the first governess at Collinwood or pretend that she ever played Victoria. It just would be unnecessary information to share with the interviewer. She's just trying to sell as many copies of her book as she can. And you can't fault her for that.
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Personally, I don't think KLS's off-hand statement (which as has been said, is geared to put her in a good light) is a reliable or official confirmation that Bella Heathcote plays a character called Josette in this film. Since we do know that the majority of the film takes place in the 1970's, clearly her main credited role is Victoria.
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TobelliotBW Elliot Hobbs' Nwaobi
@ChloeGMoretz Hey when are they bringing out a Dark Shadows trailer?
3 hours ago
If only she knew and could answer at this point - but I doubt she does or that she could answer even if she did...
TheSwishnFlick The Weasley Jumper
If some footage or stills isn't released for Dark Shadows by Xmas I will actually go insane!
2 hours ago
It's nice to know we're not the only ones. [ghost_grin]
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Personally, I don't think KLS's off-hand statement (which as has been said, is geared to put her in a good light) is a reliable or official confirmation that Bella Heathcote plays a character called Josette in this film.
Lara Parker has said she plays Josette too. But, clearly Vicki Winters is the main character she plays.
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SouthDevonAONB Nicky Bailey
Rumour has it that Jonny Depp is in the #AONB, flming for Tim Burton's new film Dark Shadows, down near to Start Point - the temptation to go and have a look is almost overwhelming here at the office!
5 hours ago
Start Point, Devon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_Point,_Devon)
And as a side note, I see that Twitter has removed the search option from their home page. Apparently they now want people to join before they'll allow them to search because joining or logging in are the only options currently offered on the home page. But I have all the major Twitter accounts related to the Depp/DS film bookmarked in my browser, so I can still access all of them without being a member - plus the option to search all of Twitter is still available once you're already checking out the tweets in an existing account. So, they haven't stopped me. [ghost_wink]
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More news about location shooting:
SeaNshore Salcombe Sea N Shore
I just heard a rumour that Johnny Depp is in Salcombe today filming. Shame about the weather cloudy with spells of rain no high wind yet
10 Sep
Piglet33 Sarah Stratton
"@SeaNshore: I just heard a rumour that Johnny Depp is in Salcombe today filming. Shame about the weather" @salcombebabes let's drive!
10 Sep
SeaNshore Salcombe Sea N Shore
@Piglet33 @salcombebabes big film set at start point not sure what the film will be
10 Sep
Qsoneko Q猫
月曜はそこでDS撮影なのかー…す、すぴ？あの監督？？ QT ChillingtonBnB: Filming Dark Shadows near Chillington House from Monday, Spielberg & Depp in Chillington
11 Sep
Chillington House is located in South Devon, and all this would seem to corroborate Nicky Bailey's tweet from earlier today.
I wonder what sort of set they built? But maybe someone will eventually tweet a photo...
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Why does the tweet say Spielberg & Depp? Does he mean Burton & Depp? Or is Spielberg just visiting to check out the scene?
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Who knows? It could be a mistake and they meant Burton. Or I suppose Spielberg could be shooting his own movie in the area.
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I keep forgetting to post that I was at Barnes & Noble a couple days ago and discovered that two stars of the film are in two separate issues of Total Film. Eva Green has a short Q&A in the September issue - however, it's all about her latest film, Perfect Sense, with Ewan McGregor. But Thomas McDonell has an article in the Summer issue in which he does talk about DS - though it's nothing that we don't already know. All of which is pretty much why I keep forgetting to mention them. But I figure there might be some people who would like to check them out regardless. [ghost_wink]
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More news about the Devon lacation shooting:
jdeppitalia Italian Fans of Depp
Dark Shadows filming location news p.ost.im/p/eFg43A
5 hours ago
I'm thinking that perhaps this first tweet is a joke because he tweeted last Friday was already his real last day and he's also been tweeting for the past few days about how sick he is:
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
pretty sure today will be our last day on #darkshadows ans im ill in bed :( #badtimes #manflu
1 hour ago
1mattmorris matthew morris
@Josh_TurnerGolf what u doing on dark shadows?
1 hour ago
But it would be interesting it he explained what it was he was doing on the film. We have our ideas thanks to his photos. But it would be nice to read it in words. [ghost_wink]
And this is interesting regarding the sets:
Robbiehayes Robbie Hayes
"@Josh_TurnerGolf: pretty sure today will be our last day on #darkshadows - shooting nearly finished I think, most of the sets down now..
1 hour ago
Especially considering we know that shooting will continue at least through the 23rd...
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Johnny Depp and Tim Burton Team Up For 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.splashnewsonline.com/2011-09-13/johnny-depp-and-tim-burton-team-up-for-dark-shadows/spl309476_007-wm900-jpg/)
Finally!!
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Some are also available here without the watrermark: Johnny Depp Makes Debut on “Dark Shadows” Set (http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/johnny-depp/photo/johnny-depp-246)
And a different photo here: Johnny Depp In 'Dark Shadows' Set Pics (PHOTOS) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/13/johnny-depp-in-dark-shadows-photos_n_960592.html?ref=tw)
And that photo leaves little doubt he's with Bella Heathcote (presumably as Victoria).
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Interesting pictures! Are you sure its Bella Heathcote, though? The label (viewable when I move my mouse over) on the pictures says they're of Johnny Depp and Chloe Moretz. I wonder if this scene will be played as humurous.
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Fascinating. My initial impression was "homage to Michael Jackson"? There's a touch of Scissorhands, too...
I thought Chloe had gone home... I would guess it is Bella... I wouldn't know either actress if I fell over here, of course...
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The label (viewable when I move my mouse over) on the pictures says they're of Johnny Depp and Chloe Moretz.
They have it wrong - especially considering that Chloe Moretz has already wrapped her shooting and is back in the US, not in Devon. [ghost_wink] And all one need do is look at the photo on the Huffington Press site to see that it's Bella Heathcote.
Also, and probably needless to point out, but Twitter is going absolutely insane with posting links to the photos on the three sites.
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You just really have to be kidding me-Barnabas Collins as the Joker or Michael Jackson? Or is this one big publicity joke?
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Not at ALL what I expected. [shkdb]
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OK, that makes sense; Chloe wouldn't be there anyway. I just can't clearly recognize these actresses yet either. I think Barnabas probably only looks like this because he's trying to walk outside in the sunlight.
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I'm with you Midnite. I of course agree with the writer of this article.
http://io9.com/5839949/photos-johnny-depp-channeling-michael-jackson-in-dark-shadows
Is this how Depp pays his tribute to Mr. Frid and to the Curtis' estate and to the DS legacy? I am really hoping this is a stunt. I can't see TPTB would allow these photos to be released.
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If it's not a "joke" I'm hoping he will look very different on film. If not, I've seen all I need to see of this film.
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After getting over the shock, I'm gonna guess this is the point in the movie where his character is in treatment for the vampirism, hence the MJ-inspired sun shielding attire.
edit: Opps, someone already suggested this! Well I'm seconding it, anyways. [ghost_wink]
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I was thinking that he went to the costume party as a "vampire". That's what it looks like, a cheap kids vampire costume.
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No matter how much we try to rationalize his Barnabas Collins look, it will bring embarrassment to DS fandom especially when it will be the first photos in the printed edition in the days to come. imo
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I'm with you there Jimbo. Truth is I didn't expect it to be as good as I wanted it to be but I never, ever dreamed it would be this bad.
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To begin, let me just say that the costume is fantastic, very true to the original.
You will note that he appears to have long fingernails, perhaps a result of his treatment? There is no way that Barnabas Collins can be accepted by anyone looking like this. They'd all know he is a vampire. It's like Edward Scissorhands. We all knew he was different. Perhaps the lighting and after-effects will alter his appearance. As others have said, he must be walking out in the sunlight for the first time, otherwise he wouldn't need those shades and gloves. Reports have indicated that he had white make-up back in July. I am not entirely sure what the final product will be. I just can't imagine anyone accepting him as human or even relatively normal with that makeup job. Everything else about him (sans fingernails) is perfect, though.
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I created this motivational poster to express how I feel. Just my opinion of course.
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Clarification, in case anyone needed it: By costume, I mean the CLOTHING of course. Make-up not included, naturally. [ghost_cheesy]
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Okay, I've been hopeful so far. But now, I'm going to start having nightmares about Barnabas doing the moonwalk.
There just has to be some crucial information we're lacking about this scene, some context we don't understand, that would make it make sense. Otherwise, I'm very afraid. Perhaps Chloe's remark about "Beetlejuice meets Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd" was more apt than we expected, and the emphasis is on the Beetlejuice part. Yikes!
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It's unfortunate that the first glimpse of Johnny as Barnabas isn't a proper studio portrait, but that's the risk any production runs by trying to keep something under wraps - you can issue an advance picture and control the image, or try and hold off, hoping that no one sneaks a peek. These are fleeting pap shots, and I don't think anyone with perspective - especially those on the production - would suggest that they are an ideal representation or show the character or visuals at their best.
People will make snap judgements, but these shots are no more defining visuals for this production than a studio kid's candids of Frid walking along West 53rd Street were. They're an intriguing early glimpse. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Stuart - You're right about these not being the first photos the studio would want us to see but Frid looked alot better in the photos of him walking down 57th st.
Now the studio can take control of this and put out a press release with a proper photo or they can let this spread across the internet. They can take control or they can let us think whatever we like based on these photos. The choice is theirs as are the results of that choice.
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VictoriaWinters1991 nicely done. KMR oh no Barnabas Collins doing the moonwalk. That was good. We are not receiving good press on this development and that is unfortunate and TPTB should not have let this happen. Where was security or did they intentionally allow these photos to be published? I believe the writer of this article agrees with Stuart's assessment that these photos should not be the first glimpse of BC. borgosi let's see if that happens-hope you are right.
http://www.slashfilm.com/king-pop-dark-shadows-johnny-depp/
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Jimbo - I believe that once people form an opinion it's gets harder and harder to change it. The longer they wait to take control of this the harder it will be to change minds, that's my opinion anyway.
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Bella looks beautiful as Victoria Winters, however.
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This freakish looking Barnabas is going viral and 90% is negative. I don't know how much can change in post production but why this freekish look in the first place? Can't imagine WB being too pleased with the release of these photos. The movie had so many positive things going for it and now this. Borgosi may be right about first impressions and how it stays in people's minds. However, this could just be a small bump in the road or we will actually be seeing our beloved Barnabas doing the moonwalk.
Cousin Barnabas I always liked Bella for Victoria even though I know many who don't.
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Thanks, Jimbo. :)
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i'm not sure why everyone is so surprised...this is tim burton after all.
actually it doesn't bother me. sans hat and sunglasses i'm sure it's a more 'normal' look. i see the frid haircut peeking out. as others have suggested i'll bet it's some sort of early attempt at barnabas during the daylight.
heathcote looks pretty but sort of bland. i was sort of hoping for more drama for vic.
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Cousin Barnabas I always liked Bella for Victoria even though I know many who don't.
That is interesting. Why?
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I don't see a problem. I think the makeup is for a lighting effect. The costume looks ok. The hair looks weird but so was Frid's. I expected them to go non-realistic with that.
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Dlisted.com has two that I haven't seen elsewhere: spl313759_001.jpg (http://www.dlisted.com/node/43398/images/spl313759_001.jpg) and spl313759_009.jpg (http://www.dlisted.com/node/43398/images/spl313759_009.jpg)
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Now we have a Willy Wonka comparison to the photos.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/213309/20110913/johnny-depp-vampire-barnabas-collins-dark-shadows-tim-burton-original-series-1960.htm?cid=2
I think some damage control is in order.
Cousin Barnabas the complaints varied-the hair the face my gosh idk she is a good selection
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This scene looks like they are walking along the shoreline as Barnabas is able to face the sun for the first time. Everything seems very sunny. I'd bet the actual scene looks nothing like this. I think it will be quite dreary and dismal along the lines of Sleepy Hollow and Sweeny Todd. The makeup will not freak people out so much then.
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I did not have the extreme negative reaction to these picture that I am reading across the Internet. This is probably because I was so happy to see the cape, ring, and cane. But, now that there is so much negative press about the makeup, I can only hope that Burton gets the hint and, if he wasn't already planning on it, tone it down in post-production. Barnabas should look like everyone else, just dead. I couldn't imagine Barnabas ever being allowed to look like he does in these photos in the final film. But, if that is the current intent, as mostly everyone seems to believe, it is time to take action for the sake of the film, the fans, and the franchise.
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I willadmit that those shots of Johnny De pp look somewhat strange, to say the least.But,lets give it a chance.These are the first pictures to come out.The make up is different,but if any of you ever read how Boris Karloff was made up as the monster, he looked blue I believe. It had to be that way because of the Black and White film. Perhaps that's the way De pp was made up.and it will look different on the screen.
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I think we are having our collective legs pulled. I took it as a joke on the media. It's such an odd shot to put out as the first released photo from the set.
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Also, even if this photo isn't a joke - a tease - I know that on the set makeup looks very different on film. That is certainly the case if CGI special effects are going to be incorporated. The actor is made up and it looks damn odd to everyone until the actor is filmed and the special effects then added. For these reasons, I would not judge the entire movie or what is being done with Barnabas solely on this photo.
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That's true, Nancy - The old technicolor makeup was bright orange. It didn't read that way in the final cut.
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I've had some experience working as an extra on "Law and Order" and some soaps in New York seeing actors made up to depict the fact they had been beaten and/or murdered. To the bare eye that make up looked way overdone. When I saw the episodes on television, the effect was completely different. I think people are overreacting to this particular photo. However, if the movie gets a negative buzz over this out of context photo, the producers are to blame as most people do not know anything production, special effects and make up for film or television. All they see is this "naked" image from a camera.
nancy
That's true, Nancy - The old technicolor makeup was bright orange. It didn't read that way in the final cut.
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Hi Nancy, after I got over the shock, I had the same line of thought you did about the outlandish white makeup and lipstick, etc.--that in postproduction there may be CGI done over Depp's face, for this scene or possibly throughout the movie (in which case, postproduction is going to take a REALLY long time).
G.
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And if postproduction CGI is going to be involved in Depp's final look, and Burton and the designers are still tinkering with that--that would explain why we have yet to see any pub photos or teasers from this production.
Just a thought.
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I hope everyone is right about post-production. That makeup looks like inch-thick plaster of paris. Heaven help us if this is any indication of what the rest of the movie will be like. I wasn't very hopeful to start with, and now I'm really pessimistic.
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in which case, postproduction is going to take a REALLY long time
Post production will take a really long time because we've been led to believe it will go well into next year. [ghost_smiley]
As for the photos, my reaction to them wasn't anywhere as negative as some have been. Maybe that's because my first thought was that we have absolutely no idea how the scene places within the film - it could be some bizarre dream for all we know. But even if it is a real situation, we still know nothing about it. I mean, even beyond the makeup, Barnabas is wearing a hat, sunglasses and gloves - who's to say that in the film the cover for him not being able to go out in daylight isn't that he has some sort of rare skin disease - and if so, this scene could be some intermediate stage in a Dr. Hoffman's attempted cure in which he goes out in the sun for the first time but still needs to protect himself? Sure, the makeup makes him look bizarre - but within the film everyone would understand that and be quite happy for him.
As for my second thought, it was very similar to what others have said. Even though the makeup is exaggerated (to say the least), that in no way means that's the way it reads on camera. Not even getting into what may be done digitally with CGI, there could be any number of real time camera tricks going on depending on what filters cinematographer Bruno Delbonnel is using. Trust me, I'm one of those people who watches every last second of the extras on DVDs/Blu-rays, and it's often amazing and even shocking to see what the makeup requirements are in some films (particularly horror and sci-fi films) for the desired look to come across correctly on camera. And truthfully, though certainly not quite as exaggerated, one need look no further than the '91 Series and some of the "real" photos of Ben Cross when he was in vamp makeup to see how different he looked in real life as opposed to how the makeup appeared on camera. If any of those photos had leaked as the first images of Barn from that series, I hesitate to think what people might have been saying...
And one last point: Chloe Moretz has said that Depp looks "weird," yet when asked about Depp's look for the film at Comic-Con, all Lara Parker would say was that he looks "incredibly handsome." And a way to possibly reconcile that obvious disparity is that Chloe was talking about how Depp really looks, meaning with the makeup, but Lara was talking about what he looks like on camera. If not, Lara certainly made herself look completely foolish if she was describing what we're seeing in these photos as looking "incredibly handsome."
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Exactly. I do wish those unnerved by the photos would stop and think about the fact they have no idea where these images fit in the context of the film or if the makup job will actually look like that on film. I could see it being a part of a scene where Julia takes Barnabas outside providing him with as much protection from the sun (just to be sure) as possible such as a hat, gloves, sunglasses, etc.
Nancy
As for the photos, my reaction to them wasn't anywhere as negative as some have been. Maybe that's because my first thought was that we have absolutely no idea how the scene places within the film - it could be some bizarre dream for all we know. But even if it is a real situation, we still know nothing about it. I mean, even beyond the makeup, Barnabas is wearing a hat, sunglasses and gloves - who's to say that in the film the cover for him not being able to go out in daylight isn't that he has some sort of rare skin disease - and if so, this scene could be some intermediate stage in a Dr. Hoffman's attempted cure in which he goes out in the sun for the first time but still needs to protect himself? Sure, the makeup makes him look bizarre - but within the film everyone would understand that and be quite happy for him.
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Gotta point out the photos were taken in broad daylight. Methinks it likely we're seeing a photo taken from a time when they are filming "day for night" i.e. a filter or digital processing will turn the daylight into nighttime. Film lighting is expensive and scheduling is tight. Once the processing takes place, methinks we can assume Depp will look different.
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This was retweeted by Seth Grahame-Smith:
Breznican Anthony Breznican
by sethgs
I've seen Johnny Depp as Barnabas Collins in Dark Shadows, and those paparazzi shots don't look much like what we'll see onscreen.
12 hours ago
I love the fact that Dark Shadows News on Twitter has added the hat to its Barnabas thumbnail! [ghost_grin] [thumb]
Plus:
Thomas McDonell: Young Hollywood 2011 Portfolio (http://www.teenvogue.com/industry/young-hollywood-2011/portfolio#slide=3)
And two more photos:
Bella Heathcote goes for a stroll. (http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/i363206/dark-shadows-gallery-bella-heathcote.html)
Tim Burton and Johnny Depp consult between takes. (http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/i363210/dark-shadows-gallery-tim-burton-and-johnny-depp.html)
(Gotta say I'm lovin' the cape.)
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Somebody mentioned Depp wearing a Barnabas ring, but I don't see it here. The fabric on the coat seems odd to me. I'm more curious than ever to see an actual publicity photo of Depp as Barnabas Collins.
I wonder what Michael of Brooklyn will think of Vicki's Laura Ashley couture which is an odd choice with the jacket and boots. But we are supposed to be looking at 1972...
Interesting how little Thomas mentions werewolves since I have heard no reference to them otherwise in this film... presumably he was just thinking about what he has read about the original series (or maybe he also has seen some episodes?).
G.
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People have been emailing me links to the pics and ridiculing Depp's "Michael Jackson fixation." I'm keeping an open mind and will wait until we see actual publicity photos. I'm happy to see the cane and the Inverness cape.
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It could be a joke. It could be that the makeup will look different on film, Karloff was gray/green not blue as Frankenstein. That was a black and white film as far as I know this will be in color. That's just a guess.
If they are going to use CGI to do his face his face should be either green or blue and it wouldn't have the shading, there would be no need for it. It could, would most likely have little balls stuck to it so they could line things up for his expressions. I don't believe they are using CGI for his face.
I captured the photo and changed the color, I made it black and white, I did everything I could to it and he never looked very good.
I'm hoping that there's a costume party at the house and he goes as a "vampire". But he's in the wrong place for that.
These photos could give the movie very bad buzz, I hope they take control of this and release a real Barnabas photo. And maybe somewhat explain these photos.
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BTW, according to Yahoo Movies, Anthony Breznican, of the retweet by Seth Grahame-Smith, is a film writer for both Entertainment Weekly and USA Today, and he's seen footage of the Depp/DS film (lucky him), hence his tweet to say what we see in the paparazzi shots doesn't look much like what we'll see onscreen.
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Another one. This one has two photos I don't recall seeing elsewhere of Depp going to his mark:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2037239/Dark-Shadows-Johnny-Depp-strolls-leading-lady-Bella-Heathcote-vamps-up.html
It looks as if CGI might have been involved in how Depp appeared in Willy Wonka. I have no idea what array of technical gizmos were deployed in Alice. Haven't seen either film.
G.
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Thanks for the link, Gothick. [ghost_smiley]
Changing reels, A Chloe Moretz interview:
TIFF Dialogue: Chloe Moretz on the Controversial 'Hick' and Upcoming 'Hugo,' 'Dark Shadows' and 'Kick-Ass 2' (http://networkedblogs.com/n5BKc)
"the fun of Sleepy Hollow with the scariness of Sleepy Hollow. I’d definitely say it’s a lot like Sleepy Hollow"
Sounds good to me. I love Sleepy Hollow. And if DS combines the horror and humor like Sleepy Hollow does, that the best news I've heard. [ghost_wink]
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A picture is worth a thousand words and we've seen several pictures so one guy saying he will look different from the pictures doesn't mean much.
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Another photo I haven't seen elsewhere: Dark Shadows: Set Photos (http://www.celebuzz.com/photos/johnny-depp-on-set-of-tim-burtons-dark-shadows/johnny-depp-on-set-of-tim-burtons-dark-shadows-16/)
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A picture is worth a thousand words and we've seen several pictures so one guy saying he will look different from the pictures doesn't mean much.
I disagree. We've seen paparazzi photos, not official photos - and we have not seen processed footage from the film. And for the various reasons stated in this topic of how film footage can be manipulated, particularly with the use of filters, film footage not only can but quite often does look vastly different from photos of the exact same scene. When it comes to photos versus film, seeing the former does not necessarily reflect at all what one will see when it comes to the latter.
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I am confused. Breznican has already seen how Depp will appear on screen even though the movie is not in post production and/or the special effects haven't been done for this scene?
In any event let's hope there isn't more negative buzz on this film.
The Hollywood Reporter as examined some of the tweets at the issue at hand. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fans-compare-johnny-depp-dark-235618
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These days post production doesn't necessarily mean post shooting, meaning work doesn't wait to begin until after shooting has completely wrapped. These days, with the advent of digital equipment, some scenes can often be edited together merely days after they're shot and then sent for post processing. Half or even more of the film could already be edited together for all we know. But, of course, some scenes will need much more tweaking in post production than others will. Some are probably so complicated that they will probably takes months of post production to complete. And that's why post production will probably last as long as we've been led to believe it will. But that being said, there could be many scenes that are already as complete as they need to be - or prety close to it - and that's probably the type of footage Breznican has seen...
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I don't think Breznican stated that he has seen this particular outdoor scene in post production. I hope this scene is heavily edited to make BC appear to be unlike The Joker etc...
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Well, no, that's not likely - they just shot it yesterday. [ghost_wink] I'm sure he was speaking about any number of other scenes featuring Depp/Barn.
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i don't know. the more i see it, the more i like it...
atwood has an interesting sense of color. i'm liking the emerald green cape, cobalt blue hat and plum ascot. at this point i'm just pleased to see barnabas in a proper suit what with all the talk of "hippies". i was half expecting tie-dye and bell bottoms.
gothick, as for vic, the granny dress and boots make sense given the 1972 time frame. while heathcote is not technically a "blond" i will say that i had hoped for a more raven haired approach.[ghost_wink] given that a theatrical wigmaker was hired they could have given her dramatic tresses. it's sort of ordinary.
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Heathcote really reminds me more of Scott than Moltke or Going, especially in these pictures. It's like House of Dark Shadows all over again, except with glasses and a hat! [ghost_cheesy]
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Somebody mentioned Depp wearing a Barnabas ring, but I don't see it here. T
Look closely at this photo, G: http://www.splashnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/spl309476_007-wm900.jpg It's on the right hand, pointer finger, over the glove. [ghost_smiley]
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I also took this photo as a joke, like Nancy. I don't think that it's going to look this way at all during the final cut of the film. During the film making process so many crazy things are done to enhance the final look of the film on the screen that we would all be very surprised to see the in-progress looks of the sets, actors, wardrobe, etc etc.
Also, if you think about the amount of people who will actually see this photo online--those hardcore devoted DS, Depp, Burton fans etc in comparison to the overall amount of people that this film will be marketed towards, the number seems pretty small. Ultimately when the trailer for this movie is finally released it will reach thousands more than these few photos ever will.
Nonetheless, as plenty of others have said it is still so early to judge this film. In the end the product will be what it will be, and I'm sure plenty of us will love it overwhelmingly and plenty others will hate it with a passion. Such is the matter of opinion.
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Just for fun, here's one of the pap shots I've graded similarly to the picture work done on Sweeney Todd post filming. Probably won't convince any of the sceptics, but it does give an idea of how much something can be altered from a raw image...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lf1iYB7zUJ8/TnICg5oAYyI/AAAAAAAAA4k/mXvzxCrKkLg/s1600/depp-barnabas-graded.jpg)
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"people are not impressed..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hULIZaL4buU
I'm still not convinced that much will change in post production. Thanks Stuart. Perhaps things will be different on the screen. At least many are hoping that is the case.
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A bit off topic but it deals with issues presented in this topic regarding Dark Shadows searches on Twitter. I didn't know one needed to have a "reputation" and a consistent posting record to have his/her tweets reflected in a DS search. We could be missing some important tweets from those involved in the production based on the latter. And one can also try the fixed in the second set of solutions. In any event Twitter's search engine has been extremely inconsistent.
https://support.twitter.com/groups/32-something-s-not-working/topics/118-search-problems/articles/66018-i-m-missing-from-search
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Thanks Michael for the fashion notes. The hat really isn't working for me. Too 1940s and too much out of sync with the rest of what he's wearing. I don't know if they're playing on the whole cousin from England bit and giving him a post-Carnaby Street, proto glamrock look, or what.
I would have preferred a darker color on Vicki's jacket and boots with the Ashley dress... but then, I'm no fashionista.
G.
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Honestly, it doesn't surprise me in the least that people have jumped to make fun of Depp in the paparazzi photos and the reasoning has little to do with what's depicted in the photos themselves. An unfortunate fact that probably shouldn't go without saying is that Depp is one of those lightning rod actors that some people enjoy nothing better than making fun of. Even when Depp looks normal in a role, these people still manage to focus on something to pick on because they even jumped all over him for the way he looked in The Tourist. When I first began to see that I didn't understand it at all until I realized that making fun of Depp is a cottage industry online and in print. It comes with every one of his roles. So, even if we took the makeup out of the equation, people would still find something else to make fun of, be it the hat, the hair, the cape, or any combination thereof. But that makeup is nothing less than a gift bestowed from the heavens to them, so, armed with that sort of ammunition, it's hardly surprising that they're jumping all over themselves to poke as much fun at the paparazzi photos as they possibly can. [ghost_wink]
As for whether or not Barnabas will look different on film than Depp looks in the paparazzi photos, that truth will only be revealed when actual footage is released to the public. And heavens knows when that's going to happen. But I see little reason to doubt what Anthony Breznican has said, so I might be in the minority but I'm not going to spend my time between now and whenever some sort of footage finally does come out worrying that it's not true. [ghost_smiley]
And as for ClevverMovies, well, as I've said before, they seem to regurgitate whatever is getting attention on the Internet, so it's no surprise they're focusing on the negative online reactions. It also doesn't surprise me that they fail to point out that all those comments are being made without having any idea of the context of what was being shot that day. [ghost_rolleyes]
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issues presented in this topic regarding Dark Shadows searches on Twitter
Very interesting, jimbo. Thanks so much for sharing that from Twitter's Help Center. [ghost_smiley]
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I wasn’t really shocked or surprised to see this make up job. Disappointed, I suppose. But then where JD and TB are concerned, it’s par for the course.
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Thanks so much for sharing your altered image, Stuart. And I love that you've added the "hat" thumbnail as your avatar. [ghost_grin]
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MB I can't disagree with what you said in post 1075. Time will certainly tell. There are so many people like myself who have reservations with this movie. I'm afraid what TB may do, concerned with the reaction to all who read the script and thought it was very funny, how JD is going to interpret Barny and now these photos. It is also not fair how the media is taking these photos and putting a negative spin on them without any real context as you said. However, I can't blame peoples' negative reactions because these photos are nothing of what we expected and let's say they are disappointing/possibly misleading in its current status. I certainly hope I am proven wrong with my reactions to these photos. If WB would only release some official photos...............
Re:Twitter I did not know that its search engine had an "all" drop down selection feature-I was wondering why there were so few DS postings each day.
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Re:Twitter I did not know that its search engine had an "all" drop down selection feature-I was wondering why there were so few DS postings each day.
I've been using the "All" on the drop down menu (as well as the "All Tweets" link which pops up occasionally in place of the drop down menu - who knows why? - but that's a different discussion [ghost_wink]) all along and still all the DS tweets on any given day don't necessarily show up. But from now on I'll try what the Twitter Help Center suggests and we'll see what happens...
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Oops - I also meant to say that -
If WB would only release some official photos...............
- unfortunately for those of us dying to see official photos, WB and/or Burton & Co. will be releasing them on their timetable, not because we're dying to see something. [ghost_sad] And, of course, there are two ways to look at the fact that nothing official has come out so far to quell all the Internet fuss. The pessimist would say nothing has come out because the way Depp looks in the paparazzi photos is exactly the way he's going to look in the film. [ghost_wink] But the optimist would say that nothing has come out because WB and/or Burton & Co. aren't worried at all about what's currently being said because they know that on film Depp won't look like the paparazzi photos and they're so confident that people will be eating their words once something official does come out that they're going to be to sticking to the original timetable worked out by the marketing department regardless of what's being said. [ghost_smiley] In fact, they may even be having a good laugh over much of what's being said.
As to where's the truth? Well, it may be somewhere in the middle. And only time will tell...
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After getting over my initial shock at his appearance, my heart is still beating a little erratically. [ghost_shocked] As I'm calming down, I'm now thinking that this is possibly a pr stunt to ramp up speculation and interest in the forthcoming movie. This look is definitely not one that I could fall in love with which is how I felt about the original Barnabas. Plus, Victoria is dressed all wrong. She needs to be wearing a trench coat with collar turned up. Perhaps JD and BH are just trying out various scenes in costume and makeup to get the feel for the characters in certain situations. Perhaps BC's outlandish look is being used as a motivator of sorts (why I can't imagine) to help the actors get into their characters better. I'm still feeling a little sick about this whole look for him. Since I've hit bottom, I suppose I have no where to go but up.
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For what it is worth, a lot of people over on the "Monster Kids" classic horror film fans forum are saying the same thing about these photos--that WB should expedite the release of official pub photos to allay the "viral" reaction on the Internet to the notion that Depp's performance and appearance as Barnabas Collins will be "a tribute to Michael Jackson." (You gotta admit, that would certainly be a unique spin on the character!)
In general however, that group of film buffs isn't optimistic about the whole DS project. The fact that Burton's films still perform so well at the box office doesn't keep them from regarding him as creatively tapped out and washed up.
G.
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I purposely avoided posting for a couple of days until things settled down a little [ghost_wink] (Plus, I was just returning from a trip so I've been busy anyway). Well, I'm not in love with what I've seen so far, except for the costuming which I personally think is pretty cool. But I actually think that most of the comments I've seen around the web have been along the lines of my own thinking, which is that these are unofficial photos taken out of context, and we have no idea how this will translate to the film itself, so let's wait and see before worrying too much. Like some here, I am heartened by the tweet from Breznican, and also from a poster on my Depp forum who claims to have seen a small photo and says the makeup wasn't nearly as "intense" in that photo (I can't guarantee the veracity of the latter person but have no real reason to doubt him). Either way, I am reminding myself that this is a *vampire* who's walking out in the *sun*, so it's not quite a normal environment for the guy. I am thinking that either this is one point in Barnabas' treatment that makes him look this way, and/or he will look much different on film with the proper lighting. But I'm afraid that this is a very late stage of the filming, so they are not just trying out looks at this point.
At any rate, this is just my own guess but I wouldn't expect them to rush out official photos just based on the reactions of the last few days. I don't think Tim or Johnny care much about the media's first impressions and will probably just continue to do their own thing (don't get me wrong, I still would love to see official photos and hope they do surface soon!) The first glimpses of both Sweeney Todd and Alice's Mad Hatter brought fairly negative reactions, too, and in both cases, especially Alice, it took awhile before they released any official photos. And Johnny very famously stood up for his Captain Jack look when the suits had all gotten nervous, so he is definitely one to stand by what he feels is right for the role.
I think that in general, Johnny is a well loved actor, but MB is absolutely correct that there is a small but very vocal minority that loves to make fun of everything he does, especially when he works with Tim. The oddball looks are the easy targets, but even in conventional roles there will be people who complain that he looks too bland or that this character looks or sounds too much like that character (never mind that it's his *face* and his *voice*! You never hear these complaints about people like Tom Cruise or George Clooney who pretty much look and sound the same in every role-- somehow for Johnny some people always expect more). I've learned to just disregard these kinds of remarks but I can see how they would be disturbing if you're not used to seeing them.
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I forgot to mention, for what it's worth, that the World Premiere of The Rum Diary has been announced to take place on Oct. 13 at the LA County Museum of Art. Johnny is expected to attend, and there will probably be press conferences and interviews going on at this time. Though of course the emphasis will be on The Rum Diary, since DS filming will be done (I think), he may be more inclined to talk a little more about it, and I wonder if since he's a producer of both films, he may talk about both films in that context at all, too. Just a thought, so stay tuned for about a month from now!
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Actually, there was intense uproar and leaping-to-conclusions when a tiny clip of shooting from Interview With The Vampire showed Tom Cruise as this hideous creature who resembled a zombie. But...context is everything.
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I didn't think there would be a poll on this issue. I may have worded the questions differently.
http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf/2011/09/poll_should_dark_shadows_fans.html
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A completed poll for what it is worth: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=46445
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I saw an article about the Johnny Depp photos linked from my msn.com newspage this morning. I guess I'm really not surprised at all. It looks like the character will be in keeping with his performances as Willy Wonka and the Mad Hatter - in movies I was curious about because I love the books, but decided I really wasn't interested in seeing the more I read and saw about them. I liked Johnny Depp in "The Ninth Gate," and he seemed fine in "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow," although I didn't care much for the movie. Other than having an interesting visual sense, there hasn't been much else that has interested me in Tim Burton. He didn't seem like the right choice for "Dark Shadows" material, Mr. Depp didn't seem right to me as Barnabas Collins, and the writer of this movie seems entirely miscast to deal with the scope, characterizations, or tone of "Dark Shadows". I understand that this will be a new interpretation that may appeal to a new audience, but I'll personally hold a distance from the movie and not allow it to affect my admiration for the original show.
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Johnny Depp In 'Dark Shadows' Pics: Creepy, Weird, Or Both? (http://popmongoose.blogspot.com/2011/09/johnny-depp-in-dark-shadows-pics-creepy.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)
Finally a blogger who's sensible enough to say: "let us not judge Dark Shadows on a mere set picture snapped by paparazzi - Depp, who next appears in The Rum Diary, said that his new take on Barnabas Collins wouldn't diverge greatly from the orginal."
And on Twitter it's nice to see tweets that have nothing to do with the paparazzi photos:
PlinkLondon Plink London
Nxt week we're off to @PinewoodStudios to interview sculptor Bruce Gordon! He's worked on Batman Begins, Troy and Dark Shadows! Tweet ur qs!
15 hours ago
Ff_JMills Jack Mills
Drilled on the set of #JohnnyDepp new film #DarkShadows this week! And got a free mug! Result! Lol yfrog.com/klmajdzj
7 hours ago
His profile says he's a full-time firefighter, so I presume that means there was a fire drill and not that he used the power tool. [ghost_wink]
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I put one of the photos through a few filters and it seems they can adjust the makup to whatever hue they prefer. I think the movie will be filtered to death ala Sweeny and I hope it is. That's what I want to see. It looks like they are actually going for a very Frid look. The dark makeup on the sides appears to be an attempt to give him that shallow Frid-ness we know so well. The main thing causing the Jackson comparisons is the skin plus hat, glasses and hair. Fortunately, Barnabas isn't likely to parade around the entire movie wearing shades, a hat and a long green coat. Barnabas will probably go through several transformations and looks. This is a big budget movie and he doesn't have to stick to a uniform the way he did on tv. I'm getting more and more intrigued. I like Tim Burton's visual sensibility very much and I'm glad they seem to be doing some very audacious things while staying tradional. I can barely watch DS '91 now it's so visualy conservative and boring to look at.
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When I first heard about this movie I was very excited about it. Then I became worried and so many cast members talking about how funny the script is, not this.
Now I'm over it. I don't care. I may see it, I may not. I have the original show and have no plans to get rid of it. This is just more proof that Hollywood is completely out of ideas. Johnny Depp and Tim Burton's egos and bigger than their Iqs if they think they can make a better Dark Shadows than Dan Curtis. If they don't think that why would they re-make? Planet Of The Apes, Alice, and Wonka were all very bad so why should I expect any different with this. When I look at IMDB I see that I haven't really liked anything they've done in years.
There's a better chance this will be bad then good. Maybe it will be good, maybe not. I just don't care anymore.
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[ghost_rolleyes]
I seriously doubt that Barnabas will show up at Collinwood and introduce himself to Liz looking like Michael Jackson. Let's see the film before we judge.
We say we want to see a another DS, yet many complained about the NBC version, the WB pilot, and now this.
Do we want a new DS or don't we?
Maybe if Burton cast 86 year old Frid & Joan Bennett's skeleton as Barnabas & Liz it would make people happy?
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I almost fell out of my chair when I read that last bit, David! [ghost_smiley]
KTeeartist K-Tee
Just been asked to work on Tim Burtons new film Dark Shadows!! Jobs are like buses!!
3 hours ago
Her profile lists her as an up and coming artist in the London area who paints about real life and who also works on big budget movies, so I wonder what she'll be doing?
DG_Creatives DickGeorgeCreatives
#ff is @Clothesonfilm-great articles! Waiting for a prop or 2 of ours to be mentioned on there! #watchthisspace for #darkshadows!
1 hour ago
Clothesonfilm Clothes on Film
@DG_Creatives Thanks! If you have any costume info for Dark Shadows, do send it my way...
59 minutes ago
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Apparently the defensive articles are popping up to combat all the negative ones. Here's one that dozens of people on Twitter have tweeted a link to:
Johnny Depp Was Born to Play 'Dark Shadows' Vamp (VIDEO) (http://thestir.cafemom.com/entertainment/125943/johnny_depp_was_born_to)
It's also interesting that more people seem to be tweeting their support for the film. [ghost_smiley]
And while we're on the subject of the paparazzi pics, it would seem that with each passing hour it's much less likely that WB and/or Burton & Co. are going to make any sort of statement or release any sort of official photo/film clip. I mean, it's already been almost three days since the pics surfaced and there hasn't been a peep. And I'd suspect that if there isn't anything by the beginning of next week, it's not likely that anything will be released. And if it does turn out that way, I can't say that will surprise me all that much because responses are rarely issued in these sorts of situations. And as I laid out in one of my previous posts, depending on what category you fall closest to, you'll probably take from that what you will. [ghost_wink]
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Maybe if Burton cast 86 year old Frid & Joan Bennett's skeleton as Barnabas & Liz it would make people happy?
Not gonna lie, I would pay to see that (probably not for the right reasons, though), maybe without the remains of the fabulous Joan Bennett, however. [ghost_wink]
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Being only an amateur filmmaker, I most certainly can't say I'm an expert in all of the ways that the film image can be manipulated in post-production. However, the stark contrast between Bella's and Johnny's skin tones in the photos is so striking that I cannot imagine what they would do to make him look anything less than unnatural.
Two possibilities that I can think of for the look of Barnabas here are:
1) He's using a sunblock (I think this has already been mentioned by someone else). At first I thought "Yeah, right"--but the more I thought about it, and considered the gloves and hat along with the makeup, it does seem reasonable.
2) He's dressed up for a costume party. He could be making fun of his resemblance to his "ancestor". This would fit right in with the "funny" quality that so many people have ascribed to the screenplay. (Although, Vicki doesn't seem to be too much into costume parties, then...)
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Ooh--another idea! Still with the costume party theme, but what we're seeing is in the 18th century, and it's Josette and Barnabas dressing as their future selves! [ghost_cheesy]
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I've heard that sun-screen with a ton of zinq in it is exceptionally effective. I had a second thought regarding how he looks with all the white make up on. It leaves his face with absolutely no character, no story-to-tell as it were. If you compare the look to JF, you can see right away that his (JF) BC had a face that was interesting, it made me want to hear and see what his story was. JD's BC has a face that just looks freakish and doesn't even qualify as monstrous. See how Victoria walks close to him as if she has some sort of a relationship going on with him? It's just not believeable. I'd just keep gulping and subconsciously holding back and trying to keep from gasping at the mere sight of him. Unless of course, somehow he won me over. [ghost_rolleyes]
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It could be the Beauty and the Beast scene.
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It could be the Beauty and the Beast scene.
Now there's an idea! [cheesyb] How cool! LOL!
I'm going to go with the sunblock angle. I think that's what the hat, gloves, and sunglasses indicate. [ghost_smiley]
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i'm still not really sure what all the fuss is about. this is tim burton and johnny depp. and he is playing a vampire after all.
we've always known that this was going to be far out. this isn't 1991. this isn't ben cross. they're not going for generic soap opera sexiness.
i'm not really sure what "franchise" we're supposed to be protecting either. an old soap opera? some comic books? a few audiodramas?
DS is important to "us". we take it seriously. we care about it. but to the general public, if it's remembered at all, the word "campy" is what seems to get thrown around the most so this is par for the course. they remember the chromekey, bats on strings and blatant teleprompter readings. or they remember wigs, miniskirts and muttonchop sideburns.
for them it's lighthearted fun. they're not emotionally invested in barnabas and josette. so it seems like that's what the filmmakers are going for. lighthearted fun with a bit of scariness and drama. we're not getting our soap opera back. i think it's going to be fun and i'm looking forward to it.
and again, i'm sure this makes sense within the context of the film. as has been suggested barnabas is probably protecting himself from the sun. indoors or at night he doesn't wear sunglasses, gloves and a hat so i'm sure he looks much less strange for most of the film.
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There are still negative tweets on Twitter - but more and more positive tweets are also showing up, particularly because of Chloe Moretz' recent remark that the film will be a lot like Sleepy Hollow.
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Of course it could be a costume party after all, and he's going as Michael Jackson. [ghost_tongue]
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Just keep in mind that Depp said his Barnabas portrayal would be a tribute to J Frid, one of his childhood idols, and that KL Scott has said she was pleased by what she saw when she was on set.
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I forgot to mention that last night I finally got around to watching my DVD of Let Me In. I was really quite impressed with Chloe Moretz (having only previously seen her when she was still quite young in The Amityville Horror, (500) Days of Summer and the TV show Dirty Sexy Money), and now I'm really looking forward to her take on Carolyn. And when I watched the extras I discovered that the film has another connection to DS because Andrew Clement, who did the makeup for the film, also handled the special makeup effects for the '04 DS pilot.
I also keep forgetting to mention that last week I finally watched my Blu-ray of Casino Royale. I was really quite impressed with Eva Green, too. And we should only be so lucky that she has as much chemistry with Depp as she did with Daniel Craig. And there's another DS connection in this movie, too - Ivana Milicevic, who played Angelique in the '04 DS pilot. Sadly though, the once and future Angeliques only shared one scene together, and they were so far in the background in the scene that posting a capture would be a waste of the forum's Web space because you wouldn't really be able to see them. [ghost_sad]
It's funny how there are seemingly many connections between the Depp/DS film and the '04 DS pilot because, as was previously mentioned on the forum, Jessica Chastain and Chloe Moretz, the once and future Carolyns, will both be appearing in the upcoming film Texas Killing Fields.
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Gotta mention just how much I adored Let Me In. 'Tis easily on my list of "Top Ten Vampire Movies" and much of the credit goes to both underage leads. Looking back on it now, Kodi Smitt McPhee's Owen made me thinks of the kind of childhood Barnabas is likely to have had--lonely, with an essentially absent father and a mother numbing herself with wine and religion. And Chloe Grace Moretz as Abby made a vampire of incredible pathos. Honestly, compared to her Barnabas might as well have been Lestat!
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And Chloe Grace Moretz as Abby made a vampire of incredible pathos. Honestly, compared to her Barnabas might as well have been Lestat!
This is very true.
It will be very interesting to see how much pathos Depp brings to Barn...
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WowUnicorns Ella watkins
Johnny depp was in my town today. I didn't see him. He is filming dark shadows near where I live. :)
5 hours ago
Unfortunately her profile doesn't say where she lives.
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You didn't hear me say that I'm not going to see the movie despite the new BC look. I'll attend the movie wearing my 'rose colored glasses' which will permit some sort of filtering I'm sure. [ghost_tongue2]
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This Web site has a few paparazzi photos that we haven't seen along with some that we have seen but which show more (I've tranlated the page through Google Tranlate, so hopefully that's the version of the page the link will bring you to [ghost_wink]): Gallery (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnytim.com%2Ftemat%2Fnew%2Fnew.html&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=windows-1251)
You need to scroll well down the page, and there are three postings in all. But while you're scrolling, you'll also pass by paparazzi photos (not on set) of Helena Bonham Carter that were taken on September 14, as well as a candid shot of Joel Harlow, the film's makeup department head, supposedly taken on set at some undetermined time. And here's Joel Harlow's page (hopefully) translated: Joel Harlow (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=CP1251&langpair=auto|en&rurl=translate.google.com&tbb=1&u=http://johnnytim.com/temat/komanda/joel/bio.html&usg=ALkJrhggVNTIBcaPccUYx38rSCmMyjPe3A).
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According to IMDb, Naomi Collins has been cast, and she's being played by Susanna Cappellaro. Interestingly, though, she's listed on IMDb as being "uncredited," so apparently she won't figure in the plot all that much.
IMDb has also added: Ashley Bernard ... Canning Company Employee
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SfxLeon Leon Harris
#darkshadows sfx crew wrap party, its gonna be messy!
5 hours ago
Harris is a special effects trainee on the film. And it's interesting that they're already having their wrap party when we know there's at least a week of shooting left to go.
And while I was looking Harris up on IMDb, I noticed that I might have missed this earlier or it was recently added:
Matthew David McCarthy ... 18th Century Gentleman (uncredited)
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The following text is from the translated Joel Harlow site and it made me laugh... as it sounds far more ominous in the plural.
"Dark Shadows", which are due for release May 11, 2012.
As for the news about Naomi Collins, that doesn't surprise me, as I expect that part of the 18th century won't take up more than 5 minutes of the actual film.
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I think to have 90% of the movie outside of possible flashbacks to take place in present day 1972 is a huge mistake. I always believed time travel was an attractive and necessary element to the DS universe. I understand that this will only be a 2 hour movie and is geared to a new younger audience. I don't think the new audience will care for example if Carolyn loves the Carpenters and Alice Cooper. I think Tim Burton and the writer wants to make this movie so vastly different than the o/s that it has lost sight of what DS truly represents. If the producers want to make Barnabas look like a freak in the daylight scene that is done at its own peril. The bottom line is that TB and TPTB don't really care a hoot of what DS fans think no matter their proclamations of how big DS fans they are. Actually the bottom line is they expect us to trust JD and TB and their protectiveness of the DS fandom and its legacy. I have lost a bit of faith but obviously they are not concerned with people like me.
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the filmmakers are entitled to create an "atmosphere" for their story and for whatever reason burton and his team have chosen 1972 as their canvas. perhaps it means something plotwise or perhaps it's just a stylistic decision. we won't know until we see it.
so in terms of carolyn liking the carpenters it's part of that atmosphere so it's important. burton could have set it in 1967 and had carolyn liking the monkeys and that could have been part of that atmosphere but he didn't. or he could have set it in the present in dispensed with the aesthetic camp completely. again we won't know until we see it.
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We have to be careful not to confuse speculation with fact. We have very few facts about this movie and far more speculation.
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As for the news about Naomi Collins, that doesn't surprise me, as I expect that part of the 18th century won't take up more than 5 minutes of the actual film.
Not sure about only 5 minutes, but it will most probably only last so long as necessary to setup Barnabas' backstory with his arrival in America as played by Thomas McDonell, with focus then shifting to Depp taking over as Barn and his relationships with Josette and Angelique, his betrayal of Ang (at least in her mind), and his cursing and burial.
My first thought when I saw that Naomi would be uncredited was that perhaps the reason is that she dies much earlier than in any other version of DS. Perhaps she is unable to outrun "the mysterious curse" that plagues their family in England? Some sort of tragedy seems to be alluded to in the WB Press Release's description of 1752 because it says something to the effect that even being an ocean away isn't enough to escape the curse. But we shall see...
That being said:
We have to be careful not to confuse speculation with fact. We have very few facts about this movie and far more speculation.
Definitely.
And:
the filmmakers are entitled to create an "atmosphere" for their story and for whatever reason burton and his team have chosen 1972 as their canvas. perhaps it means something plotwise or perhaps it's just a stylistic decision. we won't know until we see it.
Exactly.
And I have to commend the film's Carolyn because to like both The Carpenters and Alice Cooper shows that she has a wide range of taste. They couldn't be more different! [ghost_wink]
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Wow - I just noticed that the Depp/DS film shot up from #610 to #205 this week on IMDb's MOVIEmeter, due chiefly to the paparazzi pics (with help from the Chloe Moretz' interview). But you know what they say: there's no such thing as bad publicity. And it might actually go to prove what several sites and tweets said last week, which was that thanks to those photos a lot of people who had never even heard that they're making a DS film are now well aware of it, WB and Burton & Co. couldn't have bought that much publicity if they'd tried, and if indeed it does turn out that Anthony Breznican is quite right that Depp doesn't look much like those paparazzi pics in the actual film, all the negative talk the pics generated isn't going to matter one whit - and Burton and Depp might just be laughing over the whole thing.
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bella heathcote...or at least someone impersonating her...has a page on facebook that put up one of the paparazzi photos of her and depp in costume with the comment "are you getting excited?".
since heathcote likely signed the same confidentiality agreement as everyone else this makes me think an impostor is running the page. that and the pictures posted there are just pix of bella at publicity events that anyone has access to.
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I honestly don't know what to think about that page on Facebook. The Twiiter account that several sources have claimed is her real Twitter account (@Bella_Heathcote), normally tweets whenever the page is updated with a new photo or photos and provides links, and it has also done so in this case:
Bella_Heathcote Bella Heathcote
Johnny Depp as vampire Barnabas Collins on the 'Dark Shadows' set - pictures http://fb.me/Cz9UIk7W
3 minutes ago
But there's another account on Twitter (@BLHeathcote) that claims to be "The Official Twitter of Bella Heathcote". However, neither account has been verified by Twitter - and there are all sorts of other unverified Twitter accounts for all sorts of other celebrities that claim to be their official accounts but actually aren't - particularly in the cases where there are multiple accounts claiming to be the official one. [ghost_huh] Obviously they all can't be. [ghost_wink] So an unverified claim of being official is pretty much meaningless.
For what it's worth, @BLHeatcote has only one tweet:
BLHeathcote Bella Heathcote
This is *still* the *only* official Bella Heathcote twitter.
8 Jun
Whereas @Bella_Heathcote currently has 29. It's not like she's very active regardless of which one might really be her...
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I recall about a month or so ago it was determined that it wasn't Bella's official FB page. I don't remember the specifics I think someone who knows her well posted that it wasn't her. That post may have been removed. I don't know. I don't know about her Twitter page. Either way I hope they make a great movie. Re: "Let Me In" I thought both kids performances were real good especially Chloe's. The movie underperformed in the US but did better internationally and in total grossed about 25 million plus 7 million in dvd sales. I think it was one of those films where they just didn't know how to market it and to which audience.
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Given that they seem to be closely connected, it would be an odd case indeed if the Facebook page is a fake but the Twitter account is real. [ghost_huh] But then sometimes very odd things happen on the Internet...
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Not sure about only 5 minutes, but it will most probably only last so long as necessary to setup Barnabas' backstory with his arrival in America as played by Thomas McDonell, with focus then shifting to Depp taking over as Barn and his relationships with Josette and Angelique, his betrayal of Ang (at least in her mind), and his cursing and burial.
Here is my logic as to why I believe it will be relatively short: If we have a movie that is 120 minutes and we know the majority of it takes place in the "present" (I love how we can still legitimately use that reference since it is so close to the actual "present" in the original series [ghost_cheesy]), we are looking at probably 100 minutes of the modern Barnabas story, as that is where the majority of the characters are located in the script. We have 3 to 5 possible (known) characters that can play out the drama in 1772, though I believe it will be closer to 3. And, since that time period is presumably more important than 1752 plot-wise, it will have more screen time. I would actually be willing to give 1772 up to 15 minutes of the whole film, since I believe it is vital to setting up the present story, but can probably be told rather efficiently - especially if the WB plot synopsis is any indication. Since we have no word on a young Josette or a young Anqelique, I envision 1752 to play out relatively quickly, probably focusing on the Collinses moving from England, settling in New England, building the mansion and finding out, somehow, that the curse is still with them. 1752 is obviously important to the story, but it can probably be told in about 5 minutes. I speculate that this will be a point in time when there is some tragic event which helps to shape the Barnabas character and make him into the man we see in 1772. And since Barnabas is the master of Collinwood in 1772, I am assuming that Joshua must be dead or dying at that point. And if it is true that Naomi is uncredited, we can assume her role will be very small. Again, all speculation, but I just thought I'd share some of my logic.
I do find it an odd departure that the curse of Collinwood is inherent. Yes, the Collinses have always been seemingly ''cursed'', but Angelique was always seen as the de facto face of that curse, or at least the main proponent of it from the Barnabas side of things. After all, the reason Barnabas lost everyone he loved was because of Angelique. I wonder if this newly-inserted "official" curse will have any bearing on the curse which Angelique executes. The curse of Barnabas Collins was probably the most tragic part of the original and 1991 series, as its results were far more devastating than just the transformation of Barnabas Collins. The curse reached across the centuries and affected nearly everything Barnabas did and all of his relationships. A new "official" curse on the family would seem to take away from the power of Anqelique's curse, imo. But, we already saw that curse brilliantly (and powerfully) executed in the final episodes of 1991, so I guess it's time to look forward to a new take on that aspect of the story. I guess it's really just going to put Angelique's curse in perspective when pitted against the curse of the whole family.
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Everything you've written seems quite plausible, Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley]
Changing reels, I'm not sure how this person has embarrassed herself:
FashionPopo999 CocoGee
As if i haven't embarassed myself enough,i have to work on the set of #DarkShadows tomoro and face Mrs Burton. hoping to meet Johnny Depp :)
45 minutes ago
But I'm presuming she might have been a little less than kind regarding some of Helena Bonham Carter's fashion choices. Poking fun at her clothes seems to be a running thing on Twitter and the Internet in general.
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If I'd bothered to check her recent tweets before posting, I would have found this sooner. [ghost_wink] [ghost_embarrassed]
FashionPopo999 CocoGee
Im walkin around the studios & I c a lady wit quirky style of clothin.I passed a negative comment only 2 realise that it was HelenaBCarter
2 hours ago
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Everything you've written seems quite plausible, Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley]
Again, just how I am rationalizing what we have to work with - which is always fun!
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I kind of like the idea of the family being cursed, not just Barnabas. It would help establish the new DS as being about the Collins Family, and there would then hopefully be enough backstory to have other plots branch off, in totally new ways compared to the original DS.
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Johnny Depp is Barnabas Collins in upcoming Dark Shadows Masterpiece! (http://tonnerdoll.com/blog/dark-shadows/johnny-depp-barnabas-collins-upcoming-dark-shadows-masterpiece)
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1mattmorris matthew morris
missing filming on dark shadows,as im away on hols!!!!
1 hour ago
Since he talked about hoping to get into the reshoots, I wonder if it's the reshoots he's missing or new stuff?
And another person who, after seeing the paparazzi pics, is dying for the Depp/DS film to be released:
First pictures from Tim Burton's Dark Shadows released (http://www.musicrooms.net/movies/40725-first-pictures-from-tim-burton-s-dark-shadows-released.html)
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Tim snubbing North Devon article: http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/Ilfracombe-fails-Burton-screen-test/story-13381955-detail/story.html
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It seems a bit much to call it snubbing, as the article does, when a production prefers one location to another. [ghost_huh] Though I suppose they might see it that way.
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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I didn't see a "snub" either - the locales sound like they are very different. But, of course, it's more dramatic to make it sound like something more negative happened when it didn't. [ghost_tongue]
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OH MY GOD!! Finally something official!!
Johnny Depp's true 'Dark Shadows' vampire revealed! -- EXCLUSIVE FIRST LOOK (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/09/22/johnny-depps-true-dark-shadows-vampire/)
I LOVE IT!
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Ooohhh, I like the photo very much. And the room!
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I love everything about the photo - though I have to confess that the first thing I noticed was that, just as Anthony Breznican had said, Depp doesn't much resembled those paparazzi photos. And that he does indeed resemble Frid's Barnabas. But once I checked out other things I was even more thrilled. I love the way all the characters are presented. And my god, that room! I absolutely cannot wait to see the rest of Collinwood based on that. And apparently it would seem as if there's a bit of a mystery in the photo - well, unless the woman seated in the background is Mrs. Johnson...
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Wow! Just ... wow.
It all looks very DS, but I also detect a touch of the Addams Family, particularly in Mrs. J. and the "creepy ... ooky" vibe... which is to be expected in a Burton/Depp production.
Helena's makeup and demeanour are hysterical!
G.
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MB honey, did you scroll down and read the blurb for each character below the photo? There's a LOT of new information presented... it's from an interview with Seth something-or-other, the screenwriter...
The blurb has mostly minor character details, but there are a couple of spoilery bits...
G.
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Oh wow, I'm THRILLED!!
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did you scroll down and read the blurb for each character below the photo?
No, I haven't read the article yet. I can't seem to get past the photo! [ghost_grin] But I'd better go do that now. [ghost_wink]
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AAAAA, I love it!!!
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[ghost_smiley]
It's FANTASTIC, and very similar to a 1967 cast photo. I assume the naysayers are happy now?
I think the film will be huge, and will finally put DS on a level playing field with Star Trek--no more second fiddle for us!
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As you may recall, I didn't put much stock in those paparazzi photos given how little we know about the context or reason for the extreme makeup. That said, Depp looks like a Baby Barnabas almost but he certainly does look more like the original Barnabas in style than we've had. For a moment, I thought Grayson Hall was in the shot . . . utterly wild. And that room . . . like you, I cannot wait to see the rest of the interiors for this movie.
I love everything about the photo - though I have to confess that the first thing I noticed was that, just as Anthony Breznican had said, Depp doesn't much resembled those paparazzi photos. And that he does indeed resemble Frid's Barnabas. But once I checked out other things I was even more thrilled. I love the way all the characters are presented. And my god, that room! I absolutely cannot wait to see the rest of Collinwood based on that.
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In reading the text from EW, I'm surprised and a little disappointed that (I'll put this in spoilers just in case folks don't want to know details [spoiler]Barnabas is unearthed by construction workers and not Willie Loomis, and that Willie has been their groundskeeper for years. I guess I was expecting this one aspect to hold from the original series. [/spoiler] But I guess I can deal with this. The rest of the cast looks fantastic- lol at Helena channeling Grayson, and the smug look on Jonny Lee's face!! And poor old Mrs. Johnson in the background! (I was wondering who the old lady was until I read the descriptions [ghost_wink]
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[spoiler]Perhaps they dispensed with the search for jewels angle because once they decided that the Collinses wouldn't be as rich as they once were, it would seem odd that no member of the family (and so far as the present goes, Roger) wouldn't have tried to find them long ago and probably succeeded.
What fascinates me, though, is just where IS Barnabas buried that construction would unearth him? It would appear that he's not in a mausoleum, so where the hell did Angelique bury him?![/spoiler]
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I still don't like it. It looks too much like the Addams Family. And I didn't see Grayson Hall in this. She looks more like a toned down Red Queen in that wig.
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Oh I sincerely doubt the photo will change the same minds who disliked the film before shooting had started. Closed is closed. [ghost_rolleyes]
[ghost_smiley]
It's FANTASTIC, and very similar to a 1967 cast photo. I assume the naysayers are happy now?
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I can't honestly say I see the Addams Family. Like David, when I first saw the photo, one of my first thoughts was how much it resembles the 1967 cast photo from the original series:
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/mouse.jpg)
And considering the article says that that's what Burton was going for, I guess that's not a surprise. [ghost_smiley]
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I'm entitled to not like the film based on what I've read and seen thus far. But if that makes me closed-minded, whatever. I'll still see the movie but I'm not going to get my hopes up for it.
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I am for one very excited at the look and feel of this. I can deal with the story changes and IMHO did not want to see a rehash of the same old plot lines.
[cheerleader] I likey!!!! [cheerleader]
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I don't know how a cousin here can say another cousin is closed minded-very condescending and assuming imo
I had to click on the photo to get a better look. I do see an Addam's family element but I am also a bit relieved.
There is a comment at Bella's character's description that immediately remineded me of what was written at the Spoiler thread here by the person who started it.
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Oh no, Victoria - what I said wasn't directed towards you or anyone in particular here. I was talking about people who disliked the movie before they saw or heard anything about it at all. [ghost_wink] Sure, opinions are going to develop based on what information we get and photos we see once filming has started. The "I hate it already" thinking I saw mostly on FB message boards.
I'm entitled to not like the film based on what I've read and seen thus far. But if that makes me closed-minded, whatever. I'll still see the movie but I'm not going to get my hopes up for it.
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That's what I thought of as well.
when I first saw the photo, one of my first thoughts was how much it resembles the 1967 cast photo from the original series
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There is a comment at Bella's character's description that immediately remineded me of what was written at the Spoiler thread
I still haven't read those spoilers and don't intend to. [ghost_smiley] But if there's something in them that's also somehow repeated in what EW has written, then that would certainly seem to indicate that at least some of what's written in the spoilers may not be as farfetched as some originally thought, in which case I'm even more happy that I haven't read them. [ghost_wink]
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[spoiler]Had a thought - perhaps the original cast will show up as some of those dead people David sees. That would be awesome.[/spoiler]
The photo looks GREAT! Wish there was a bigger resolution, I immediately made it my desktop.
I can't wait to see this!
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That's what I thought of as well.
The similarities between the photos are striking - especially the placement of Liz, Roger and Barnabas. Jonny Lee Miller is practically channeling Louis Edmonds. And it would be fascinating to know if he'd ever seen any of the versions of the 1967 cast photo before posing.
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HBC's wig is an awful color. But Jonny Lee Miller looks great. JD looks like he's twelve and playing dress-up. Michelle Pfeiffer looks good, but where are her pearls? I'm having a hard time dealing with the new Willie Loomis.
Oh, well, I supposed I'll get used to it all eventually....
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I love your comment about Johnny Depp, and I have to agree. I have not gotten a look for him in my head yet - what I think he should look like. He does look like Baby Barnabas here.
I'm curious to see how Julia's hair color plays on the screen - less harsh, I hope. The new Willie Loomis looks like a sheepherder from the hills of Albania.
JD looks like he's twelve and playing dress-up.
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Um, well, I didn't say that about another cousin here . . . please re-read my post. [ghost_embarrassed]
I don't know how a cousin here can say another cousin is closed minded-very condescending and assuming imo
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I immediately made it my desktop.
I have as well. It replaces a desktop I'd made up of photos of the two versions of the exterior Collinwood set and non-DS photos of the cast. (But then, there aren't any individual photos of the cast yet. [ghost_wink])
(http://www.dsboards.com/Depp_DS.jpg)
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I can't wait until the individual cast photos start being released!
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JD looks like he's twelve and playing dress-up.
That was exactly my thought - "Johnny Depp dressed as an 11 year-old dressed as Jonathan Frid playing Barnabas Collins."
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Nancy I don't think I misunderstood you at all and it did seem to be directed at another cousin but if I misunderstood your intentions I offer my apologies.
The writer of this article may have a point. http://screenrant.com/dark-shadows-cast-image-johnny-depp-sandy-132957/
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Regarding Nancy's comments:
Baby Barnabas and the hills of Albania--now there's the makings of a story line! [ghost_cheesy] [ghost_cheesy] [ghost_cheesy]
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The writer of this article may have a point.
Well, he's not saying anything that we, other DS sites, blog writers, and several tweets on Twitter didn't try to stress throughout all of last week's melee. [ghost_smiley]
And speaking of Twitter, I see that in the last three hours 881 tweets have been made about "Dark Shadows" (as opposed to "#DarkShadows," which as I've mentioned before, so few people use even though they should - and I haven't even checked those yet). Most are about the official photo. And many people who were critical last week are now retracking their fears and expressing their love for the photo.
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I think the basis for the melee was highly justified. I am happy that TPTB has reacted to the justified negative buzz in a timely manner. They do hear us!
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I am much relieved by this photo, and especially the accompanying character descriptions. While there are some aspects I'm not particularly enthusiastic about (the interior architecture seems just a tad too much--almost a caricature of Gothic Revival), the staging of the photo is very, very, very much like those cast photos I used to see in the TV Guide fall preview issue, which were always interesting to look at but all too often had a very tenuous connection to the actual tone of the series.
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I think the basis for the melee was highly justified.
Well, I'm less confidant of that because, as several places tried to stress, those paparazzi photos were not only presented completely out of context, they were presented in several quarters as being exactly what Depp would look like throughout the entire film even though those sites had absolutely no basis in fact for making that claim. But then, it didn't surprise me in the least that such sites jumped to conclusions and ignored context because that's pretty much their stock and trade. [ghost_sad] [ghost_rolleyes]
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I don't think JD's ears really stick out like that. Looks like they did something to his ears to make them more like Frid's.
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That is true especially for most of us who are not in the industry. Now see most of these bloggers quickly backtracking.
I guess there isn't a Sarah Collins.
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A few random thoughts about the new photo:
They gave Nancy Barrett's Carolyn '69-'70 hair to Angelique this time around. Interesting choice.
Fans who have never been physically to Seaview may not appreciate how the set design is playing upon elements of both the original Seaview and the Sy Tomashoff Collinwood designs.
It looks from this photo as if Michelle Pfeiffer's Liz is going to have more bite than I had envisioned. Definitely an improvement in every way upon poor, mis-cast, non-directed Blair Brown.
I definitely see intimations of the Addams Family, particularly in the Pugsley and Wednesday affect on David and Carolyn, and "Grandmama" Mrs. J slumping in the background.
I think Helena and Jonny Lee Miller may have had a competition as to who could sneer the most coldly and keenly. Helena's stance and look is very reminiscent of the publicity shot for Grayson's disastrous Edith Efron January 1971 TV Guide interview. Only with about 200 more layers of face powder added.
It's hard to know how to react to Barnabas at this point. I feel as if I need a better look but I would be lying if I didn't admit intense relief upon this first, officially posed glimpse.
G.
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Now see most of these bloggers quickly backtracking.
It's definitely heartening to see that many of the biggest detractors are now backtracking, if not actually eating their words. [ghost_smiley]
I guess there isn't a Sarah Collins.
Didn't we theorize somewhere along the way as to why there probably wouldn't be a need for Sarah to humanize Barnabas in the film? When I get a chance I'm going to have to see if I can locate that...
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Yes there was but I was hoping to see Sarah's and David's interaction. Being nostalgic I guess.
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Who's the freakish hermit to Barnabas' left? Do not tell me that is supposed to be Willie.
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Fans who have never been physically to Seaview may not appreciate how the set design is playing upon elements of both the original Seaview and the Sy Tomashoff Collinwood designs.
I saw a very striking resemblance to the layout of the drawing room of Lyndhurst in this photo. Picture a statue in the spot where the chandelier hangs.
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Janet darling, Brace yourself: it's Willie.
In this redaction, the characters of Willie and Matthew Morgan appear to have been combined.
Don't you just LOVE remakes??
cheers, Steve
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Who's the freakish hermit to Barnabas' left? Do not tell me that is supposed to be Willie.
Yes, that's Willie. Looks like they're going for a blend of the characteristics from Karlen's and Fyfe's portrayals (the menace of the former, the misfit nature of the latter).
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In this redaction, the characters of Willie and Matthew Morgan appear to have been combined.
Exactly what I was thinking and just posted before I realized you'd already said the same thing. So, I've edited my post into agreeing with you. [ghost_wink] And after all, GMTA. [ghost_grin]
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Looks like they found this guy under a rock. But as John would say, "It is what it is."
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I think the basis for the melee was highly justified. I am happy that TPTB has reacted to the justified negative buzz in a timely manner. They do hear us!
Gotta point out--nothing has changed. The movie looks the way it did last week and last month. Articles for magazines are usually planned weeks and weeks in advance. Usually. Either way, most of the movie was in the can and absolutely nothing any fan did has changed one comma of the script, one twitch of a performance, one frame of any editing, or one note of the soundtrack. The "melee" was much ado about nothing. Some photos were snapped on set, given zero context, and then a lot of fans clearly overreacted in a huge way. Now an official cast photo has been released and we can see all the melee fighters were wrong from the get-go.
BTW, combining Willie and Matthew Morgan goes back to both HODS and the 91 series. Why is anyone surprised by this?
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Looks like they found this guy under a rock.
I think that's exactly what they're going for - as well as a Willie whose personality may be unlike any Willie we've seen before thanks to the infusion of Matthew Morgan.
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Janet darling, Brace yourself: it's Willie.
In this redaction, the characters of Willie and Matthew Morgan appear to have been combined.
Don't you just LOVE remakes??
I DO NOT! Biggest example of one of the most horrible remakes of ALL TIME is Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Another example of where Hollywood should have left well enough alone.
Well, gotta give this DS remake a chance. I find it unfortunate in this and almost all fan fic that Willie comes across as an oaf, a thing, a boob. John Karlen's Willie is nothing short of a tormented, crooked, and handsome bastard. Nuff said.
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Well, Janet--you could think of it as a tribute to John Karlen's unique genius as an actor that no other version of Willie has captured the mixture of avarice, pathos, tragedy and sexiness that he brought to the character. In my recent re-viewing of hoDS, I was in awe of how many layers Karlen's physicality added to the scripting of Willie in the film--definitely on a par with what Frid and Hall were doing with their characters. At times Karlen's Willie has a pathos that is nothing short of transcendent.
Just for the record, I didn't see the Jim Fyfe version of Willie as being a combination of Willie and Matthew Morgan. More like original series Willie crossed with one of Faulkner's divine idiots.
I do think the online fandom "melee" over the pap shots may have influenced the timing of the release of this first photo. But as in all things, Your Mileage May Vary.
G.
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Well, as a matter of fact, I couldn't get into the 1991 show, because I do not like remakes. I was surprised to see how far they went with it though.
One fest I saw the latest remake, and I loved it. The train pulling into the station,,, I thought it was nicely done. The camera work reminded me very much of James Wong Howe. It was very nicely done. IMHO anyway.
I guess everybody is on the bandwagon about the new flick and critiquing it to no end. Christ, I haven't been to a movie since Armegeddon and that scarted the crap out of me.
Still and always tuned to TCM.
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[dancing_skeletons]
That is all. [ghost_cheesy]
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I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE this photo and the accompanying character descriptions. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I think the new DS movie could turn out to be Burton's masterpiece.
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I can see a little of Seaview in the outside of the house but none of it in the inside. I was last there Memorial Day week.
"Barnabas" looks better here than in the unoffical photos but IMHO the group looks like a caricature of the original cast photo they tried to copy.
As for them movie. We'll see. I may or may not see it at a theater, won't know until I see a trailer. I will see it at some point, good or bad.
I'm not excited about this anymore. I'll always have the original and it will always be the best "Dark Shadows". If this turns out to be a classic that's cool, if it turns out to be a box office bomb that's ok to.
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Trying to catch up on several pages of discussion so I apologize if I'm repeating anything.
First, blastr.com gives some more background info on this photo-- as several people have suggested, the similarity to the cast photos from the original series is totally intentional. Also, the photo was apparently taken the day before filming started.
http://blastr.com/2011/09/1st-official-dark-shadows.php
While it's possible that the timing is in reaction to the response from last week's paparazzi photos, I tend to doubt that's the case. As someone mentioned, magazines usually prepare features like this weeks in advance. Even if Johnny's production company or WB tried to pressure Entertainment Weekly into publishing official photos more quickly, Entertainment Weekly has not always catered to Johnny or Tim in the past, and I just don't think they would bend to the film industry like this- they have a magazine to publish and I just can't see them catering to every film's needs or wants. I believe that I and others mentioned that for Tim's movies, the first official photos tend to leak out toward the end of filming, or slightly after filming ends, so this is right within that general time frame. I do suppose it's possible that the photo release could've been moved up a little bit, but not much. (Edited to add- another point I just thought of is that in the past, when the official photo(s) did surface from one of Burton's films (or even other films, for that matter), they are often not in conjunction with a magazine feature but just distributed directly to comingsoon.net or a similar site. So they could've done that if they had wanted to).
About Johnny's ears, I agree, having studied the man's face quite extensively over the years [ghost_wink] that his ears don't usually stick out that much. I do recall Johnny discussing his Ichabod Crane character for Sleepy Hollow-- initially, he wanted to look like the character described in the original story, with ears that stuck out, a long nose, and long, gangly fingers. He was pushing for prosthetics but Tim nixed the idea at the time. I kind of see this look as a kinder, gentler version of that, such that Barnabas would still be handsome but maybe a little gangly.
I do hope that a high resolution version of this photo will surface soon. Knowing the Depp community, they will be combing all sources feverishly to find one.
In general, I am beyond thrilled at the look of this, and I can't wait to see more!
Cathy
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The room reminds me more of Lyndhurst than Seaview.
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I am soooooooooooooooo excited now!
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[ashamed3] Why must they do that to the Willie character??!
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Another thought (I've been thinking about this photo all day!) Maybe I will change my mind with the high res photo, or with other photos as they surface, but it occurred to me that Johnny's look reminds me of Roddy MacDowall (sp?). Johnny befriended Roddy before the latter's death, so it wouldn't be TOO far out to wonder if there might be some connection; plus, Roddy was very popular in the 70's and did a lot of horror. Okay, it's probably just my imagination [ghost_wink]
Michelle Pfeiffer is also tickling my brain- I realize that she looks just like Kate Vernon who played Ellen Tigh on Battlestar Galactica. I love her expression and feel that she's going to give a very meaty performance as Liz. I hope so!
The only things I'm not crazy about are Bella Heathcote's white tights and peter pan collar, which IMHO make her look a little *too* young, and Helena's hair, which I agree is just a tad too bright. I do love the hairstyle, though, and I love how her expression seems to channel Grayson while still looking very much like Helena's own persona, if that makes any sense.
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[ashamed3] Why must they do that to the Willie character??!
Do you mean his appearance, or the character description (or both?) At first, my reaction was to hope that they won't turn him into too much of a buffoon. But at least in terms of his appearance, as I thought about it, I realized that first of all, that's what Jackie Earle Haley looks like, anyway, so of course the character is going to look a little off-kilter. The hairstyle is pretty much what a lot of men were wearing in the 70's- parted on the side and a bit long, with the long sideburns. He looks a little like a seedier version of Tony Orlando [ghost_grin] I still hope he won't be a buffoon, but I'm okay with my first impression of his look.
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it occurred to me that Johnny's look reminds me of Roddy MacDowall (sp?). Johnny befriended Roddy before the latter's death, so it wouldn't be TOO far out to wonder if there might be some connection; plus, Roddy was very popular in the 70's and did a lot of horror. Okay, it's probably just my imagination [ghost_wink]
The only things I'm not crazy about are Bella Heathcote's white tights and peter pan collar, which IMHO make her look a little *too* young, and Helena's hair, which I agree is just a tad too bright.
You have no compunction about the "thing" that is Willie???
I do not see any resemblance to Roddy McDowall what so ever, no not at all to his portrayal as the little shit nephew in Speilburg's Night Gallery episode.
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Do you mean his appearance, or the character description (or both?)
Oh, I wasn't even bold enough to read the character descriptions at first, but now I would say both. It's like they took the revival version of Willie & aged him.
Everyone ELSE looks good. Besides Johnny Depp looking like a kid dressed up for Halloween.
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A zoomed in Barnabas: http://perezhilton.com/2011-09-22-johnny-depp-cast-dark-shadows-first-look-cast-promo
Is the writer of the EW article the same guy who first tweeted that he had seen JD as BC in pics and that the pazz pics were misleading?
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This is just my opinion but I believe that if it's closed minded to dislike or put down a movie someone has never seen, it should also be closed minded to like or promote a movie someone has never seen. Both are examples of acting on something based on little or no information. Both are jumping to conclusions. Both are wrong. In my opinion.
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Wow! My first thought on the photo was shock at the three blond girls in the background. I'm still not completely sure which one is Bella Heathcote, if she is actually in the photograph, apparently she looks extremely similar to Carolyn (perhaps an intentional plot point?) To me, they also look the same age (i.e. both 14), when you'd think that wouldn't be the case. Maybe one of them is the ghost of Sara? Anyway, it's clear who Angelique is, and I think Eva Green looks great. I expected Johnny Lee Miller to look younger, and I'm unsure if that's just what he looks like now or if he was aged to play Roger? I think I prefer the 2004 Willie out of all the ones we've seen since the original series. Barnabas looks great. A lot to take in, but I don't dislike it.
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Golly. It definitely looks as if BarnaDepp sports Fu Manchu fingernails from Miss Thing's closeup of this photograph. Whoa.
Does anyone know if the mag is actually going to publish this photo? And if so, which issue? I don't have time to trawl through the site and the tweets etc. to try and figure it all out.
It's really extraordinary that they BEGAN the shoot by re-creating or re-staging that iconic 1967 cast photo. Almost seems like an act of Invocation. A seance, perhaps?
Now please let Warners announce a firm release date for the hoDS/NoDS/WB pilot box set...
G.
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I just have to add that BarnaDepp makes me think of one of Edward Gorey's drawings... a point of favor in my book...
I am quite curious as to whether Julia will appear only briefly in the movie, given Miss BC's original statement that it was going to be quite a minor role.. I think she was just having a little joke...
G.
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When I first looked at this photo, I hated everything about it except for Michelle Pfeiffer. After taking a little while to study, I do like the similarity in layout and form to the 67 photo, as everyone else has started. However, here are some observations of mine:
First, from the LOOK of the characters of Angelique, Victoria, and Carolyn, it seems as if they have all been jumbled up. Eva Green as Angelique looks like she should be playing Carolyn at age 35 (she looks SO much like Nancy Barrett!), while Bella Heathcote as Victoria looks like she is Carolyn as a teenager, and Chloe Moretz looks more like a Sarah than anything else.
HBC as Julia looks completely over the top to me. And while Grayson played Julia outlandishly, she somehow still managed to pull it off and ground the character. Someone else put it very well--HBC looks like a refurbished and slightly toned down version of the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. Here's hoping, as someone else also stated, that the bright hair color comes off much more muted on screen.
Lastly, while I love the interior of the (I'm guessing) drawing room because it looks like a cave and I could completely imagine bats living in there (sooo Gothic), it's not very inviting. Somehow, despite the sheer coldness that would at times come across in the old Collinwood sets from the original series, the house still seemed warm and inviting to me.
The most intriguing characters in the photo for me are Elizabeth and Angelique. The facial expressions both women are putting forth are as different as they are similar, and I wouldn't be surprised if when the film is released we see extreme correlations between the motivations behind the actions of both of these women.
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i saw this by chance at work today and dragged everyone into my office to look at the picture. i couldn't contain my excitement.
love it!
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I am most definitely happy about the photo and was thrilled to see they made an attempt to replicate the famous '67 cast photo! I also enjoyed the character descriptions.
I LOVE that they kept Barnabas' trademark pointy bangs! I'm relieved they didn't try to shy away from Frid's classic look. I don't like the long fingernails in the zoom shot though. That's a bit too "Ze do Caixao" or "Count Orlok" for Barnabas. Depp does look very young in the pic, but you can see from the makeup they're trying to give him Jonathan Frid's more angular appearance. I'd be curious to see him in other poses as well to really get a look at him in Barn mode.
Julia's hair is very vibrant, but she definitely has the attitude down. I do feel she looks a little too much like an exaggerated Julia parody, but I don't hate the look. I mean, I knew RIGHT away who she was when I saw the pic. There's no mistaking her for another character!
Roger - Wow!!! Brilliant!!! Roger Collins is re-born! I hope he's as good in the film as he appears to be in this photo!
Willie - They clearly combined the characters of Willie and Matthew Morgan. We'll see about him.
Carolyn - She looks too young, but I have a theory about that. I'm sure someone else has mentioned the possibility, but I wonder if they made her younger so that she could replace Amy Jennings. This way, they can lead into the 'Turn of the Screw'/Quentin story with David and Carolyn, perhaps as a cliffhanger at the end of the movie. I mean, it's a DS movie. It should end on a cliffhanger, and Quentin should appear somehow. Just a thought.
Liz - She looks appropriately regal and has the look of a woman who harbors a dark secret of her own. I wonder if they'll mention the whole business with Paul Stoddard. It'll take me awhile to get used to the change in hair color. Liz should have dark hair.
Mrs. Johnson - Interesting take. Not big on her character description - "polishing silverware with bologna" - but we'll see. The writer says he doesn't think she has any lines in the film.
David - He looks good! I can see him removing a bleeder valve from a car. :)
Victoria - I think she looks too young as well, and again, the hair color is throwing me a bit. Victoria and Liz should have dark hair IMO. Also, I see they went the '91 series route by making Vicki the Josette look-a-like. I guess it's less complicated than bringing in Maggie Evans, but it makes me a little sad to see Maggie isn't the Josette doppelganger.
Angelique - She has the powerful 70s witch look going on! I can dig it. Love the blonde hair. According to the descriptions, it seems she's the one who locks Barnabas away in his tomb.
I really like the look of Collinwood from what I've seen. The drawing room looks marvelously creepy!
Random thought - I wish they'd get Barbara Steele to make a cameo in the film.
It's really extraordinary that they BEGAN the shoot by re-creating or re-staging that iconic 1967 cast photo. Almost seems like an act of Invocation. A seance, perhaps?
Indeed! I thought the same thing. There's a ritualistic quality to it.
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a few more thoughts now that i've had time to digest this...
it's more blonds than i necessarily would have wanted. as has been mentioned vicki and liz could have been more classically brunette but i'll get used to it. at the very least liz needs an updo. the hairdos are not spot on 1972. personally i like julia's flaming red coif. it's definitely channeling grayson's HODS look. it certainly sets her apart from the sea of blonds.
angelique in PANTS is a major departure. she looks very "professional" but then again we've already heard she's "big in collinsport". a lady executrix, perhaps? vicki's frock is a bit schoolgirlish but she is of course the prim and proper governess as always. david looks very "omenish". roger looks very much the pompous a**. i like liz's dress but again the loose blond curls are too 2011 LA. at 48 depp makes a pretty old "eleven year old". is willie still to function as barnabas' servant? i haven't been able to decipher that from the information given. he looks to be more "comic relief" a'la 1991 than the original premise of the character. i'm just pleased that mrs.johnson is on the canvas even if she's very minor. she's an elemental part of the collinwood atmosphere.
i like it!
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I'm pretty sure this is for the current edition of Entertainment Weekly, which means it should be out on newsstands today or tomorrow. (I usually get my sub copy on Fridays).
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(I don't always get my issue on Friday, so I hope someone does - particularly because, if there is an article in the print issue, it's often the case that the print issue features more than what's on the Web site.)
A few unrelated comments:
I can certainly understand why some people would think Victoria seems dressed rather young because it's not likely too many women in their early-20s would dress that way today. However, it was more common in the '70s. In fact, when I was a freshman in high school during '70-'71, my French teacher dressed exactly like that most of the time. She was a year out of college, which would make her about the same age as Bella Heathcote, if not Victoria herself - and she was even married. And she continued to dress the same way throughout all four of the years I was in high school. So, to me, Victoria's manner of dress isn't all that odd for '72.
Regarding the Addams Family look to the cast photo, as I've said, I don't really see it, so I'm curious: do the people who do see an Addams Family vibe also see the same vibe in the original '67 cast photos? And if not, why not, considering the Depp/DS film's cast photo so closely resembles the '67 cast photos?
As for Willie, I could be wrong, but with what little info we have so far, I'm suspecting that his character in the film is Willie in name only and will turn out to be different from the versions we've seen before. Perhaps they really should have named him Matthew Morgan. But who knows, maybe there will turn out to be facets of Willie in there somewhere. Only time will tell. And as for whether or not Willie will turn out to be Barnabas' servant, we really have no information on that beyond what many horror/entertainment sites speculated when Jackie Earle Haley was cast - and thanks to EW we know now that every bit of that speculation was dead wrong because Willie won't be the one releasing Barnabas into the world of 1972.
Given that the placement of the characters in the photo indicates in many instances some sort of relationship that they share with an adjacent character, I'm wondering if there's any significance to Angelique being placed so close to Carolyn?
And finally, and also regarding Carolyn, I had a theory as to why they've made her younger. However, what we've learned in the EW article seems to make my theory less likely. But I will say this: it had a lot to do with the fact that in the film Liz hasn't left Collinwood for 10 rather than the 18 years of the original series...
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I was just over at EW's Web site trying to see if I could see whether or not DS might be in the print issue. I couldn't even find the link to cover. But perhaps it's not up yet. However, what I did notice is that the cast photo article is currently the #1 read article on the site. [thumb]
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I should have waited a few more minutes before posting because the cover is up now and on it it says:
"JOHNNY DEPP
First look at Dark Shadows"
So, something will definitely be in the print issue.
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another potential change...
has it mentioned anywhere vicki being an orphan or coming to collinwood from new york city? in the past that's been an important part of the character. or in this variation is she from collinsport?
we never got to the bottom of the old "waitress" mystery so here is vicki a waitress from collinsport(again, combining elements of maggie)who's simply hired by the collins family?
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I'm having trouble posting today so I hope this post doesn't show up twice!
As others have pointed out, I know from my own experience that publicity campaigns are planned months in advance as are most weekly and monthly publications. The timing make sense given the fact the film is set to be released in the spring. Don't be surprised if you see a trailer as early as Thanksgiving. It's quite possible.
Nancy
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My EW just arrived. Interestingly, the copy of the article is almost totally different from the Web site. And at the end people are directed to the Web site to read about the characters other than Barnabas. But those hoping for a photo with more resolution will be happy, even if the print version is much darker than what's on the Web site. And the people who complained that Helena Bonham Carter's hair was too bright will see that it isn't in the print version (so who knows which version has the correct Gamma settings?), and she really does look like that photo of Grayson from the February '71 TV Guide article. And people wanting to get a better look at Depp's fingernails will be thrilled because they're much clearer and indeed pointy. Also, to me Depp looks far more solemn and a lot less young in the print version.
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I know from my own experience that publicity campaigns are planned months in advance as are most weekly and monthly publications.
Which really does beg the question that if Burton & Co. knew the EW article was coming up this week, were they actually having a good laugh over all the hubbub over the paparazzi photos last week, just like several Web sites have suggested? [ghost_wink]
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I'm very happy now with BC's look.
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I sure had a good laugh when I first saw the photo. It struck me as funny what I perceived the Michael Jackson get-up. I attributed it to being a joke or a moment where special makeup had been applied for a future effect. The publicity certainly would not have done them any harm. The "WTF" effect sparked curiousity. The production company would not have been motivated to have acted any faster as they knew when official photos were due to be released. The timing of the EW article makes sense given the fact the film will be released in the spring.
I would not be surprised to see a trailer by Thanksgiving at the movie theaters.
Nancy
Which really does beg the question that if Burton & Co. knew the EW article was coming up this week, were they actually having a good laugh over all the hubbub over the paparazzi photos last week, just like several Web sites have suggested? [ghost_wink]
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I thought of Edward Gorey too, which made me more excited than I already was. I think if I were doing DS, it would look like this (though Ang -- and will she be Cassandra in the present day? -- would be in a sleeveless green-mini or a crimson trapeze dress instead of a 70s power suit, but then again, the power suit sorta rocks all on its own ...)
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The publicity certainly would not have done them any harm. The "WTF" effect sparked curiousity.
Definitely - just looked at how far up the film jumped on IMDb's MOVIEmeter because of the hubbub. And as I said the other day, several horror/entertainment Web sites and tweets on Twitter offered the opinion last week that thanks to all the attention, both pro and con, that those pics generated, a lot of people who had never even heard that they're making a DS film became well aware of it, which was probably more publicity than WB and Burton & Co. could have bought if they'd tried. And now that it has indeed turned out that Depp's actual look as Barnabas doesn't look like those paparazzi pics, all the negative talk the pics generated isn't going to matter one iota- especially when so many of the horror/entertainment Web sites that led the negative charge have backtracked and graciously admitted they were wrong to jump the gun.
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I admire that, especially since I had given them more credit for knowing more about how production works than they obviously do. In the end, the frenzy didn't hurt anyone - in fact, it helped with publicity.
Nancy
And now that it has indeed turned out that Depp's actual look as Barnabas doesn't look like those paparazzi pics, all the negative talk the pics generated isn't going to matter one iota- especially when so many of the horror/entertainment Web sites that led the negative charge have backtracked and graciously admitted they were wrong to jump the gun.
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Finally getting around to catch up on Twitter today. Here's one from Chloe Moretz' brother that's almost a day old:
TrevorDMoretz trevor duke moretz
What did everyone think of the sneak peek at #darkshadowsthemovie? Been waiting for u guys to c that pic, was freaking out when they took it
21 hours ago
I checked Twitter at least a couple times yesterday after that had been tweeted, but it never came up in the search. But then, we know how that happens...
As to the response to the photo, it's been overwhelmingly positive with far, far too many great tweets to ever post here. I did come across one odd one, though - someone who wondered why Hannah Murray isn't in the photo. Obviously that person didn't read the EW article or they would have known that the photo was taken long before she was even cast. And, well, there's also the fact that she's only playing a small part. Though that being said, that didn't stop Hope North from getting a great deal of exposure when it came to the '91 Series. Her photo of Ben Cross' Barn attacking her character Gloria was plastered in practically every article about the '91 Series back in '90. So, maybe the tweeter's question isn't quite as far out as it might seem. [ghost_nowink]
Also I thought that maybe there might be a tweet about DS wrapping shooting, but I didn't see anything. So, perhaps that means they will indeed still be shooting next week...
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I admire that, especially since I had given them more credit for knowing more about how production works than they obviously do.
One would definitely think that - especially a place like the MTV site - but their criticism was unexpectedly brutal last week. But thankfully they're one of the more prominent Web sites that have definitely come around and admitted they were wrong:
Johnny Depp Looks Perfect In 'Dark Shadows' Official Photo (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/09/22/johnny-depp-dark-shadows-photo/)
In the end, the frenzy didn't hurt anyone - in fact, it helped with publicity.
Exactly.
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I'm convinced the whole scene with Victoria walking with Barnabas on the beach was a huge publicity stunt to get people talking. What a relief that BC is much more presentable and I can now breathe a sigh of relief. Looking at Liz, I have to say that her look, hairstyle and dress, are definitely spot on for the early 70's. I too don't see the Addams Family in the portrait. My mom used to collect Edward Gorey and Chas Addams from the New Yorker and I see no resemblance there either. I love Roger's look. I'm glad they got the '70's' look great for Roger. I'm reserving judgement on HBC's look. She certainly has the haughty stare down pat. Everyone is a buzz over here about these latest developments and pictures. [ghost_smiley]
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Good to see DS in Yahoo's top ten Trending topics right now.
TRENDING NOW1.Ashley Judd
2.Chelsea Clinton
3.Taylor Lautner
4.Amanda Knox
5.Android tablets
6.Whitney Cummings
7.Dark Shadows
8.Morgan Freeman
9.Fort Bragg
10.Inhalers
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i doubt last weeks pix were a publicity stunt.
i'll bet either depp was made up the way he was because for that particular scene/period in the movie barnabas is unable to appear during the day/in the sun without being heavily covered up(as has been suggested early in dr.hoffman's treatments)or, as others have suggested, the film is being shot/lit/diffused in a way that will make it much less severe onscreen.
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If Willie doesn't free Barnabas from his coffin it would be a very different scene or scenes of him as he discovers the changes that taken place over the years. Does he just wander the streets of Collinsport as he discovers things like cars and lights? In my minds eyes I can't see that as anything other than very comical. I hope it isn't.
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I'm wondering if even if construction crews uncover where Barnabas is, if Willie isn't the one that releases him?
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I'm wondering if even...
If this is a spoiler from released information, please tag it.
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The first part of arashi's post is a detail from the character descriptions in the published article that provided our first look at the official cast photo in this topic, so it's not a spoiler. The second part is her speculation.
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After viewing this photo and reading the article, I think we can all take away a great deal about these characters from the descriptions, and just by their appearances and expressions in the picture. So which actors and characterizations are you most interested in seeing?
For me personally, Michelle Pfeiffer's Elizabeth Collins Stoddard is probably the character I am most excited about. As many of you know, I love Liz and thought Joan Bennett was exceptional in the role. Michelle Pfeiffer seems to have it down pat, and the character description really makes her sound very true to the original. It will be so refreshing to finally get to see Liz have an extensive amount of screentime again - and I am assuming she will by her placement in the photo and by what is written in the article. I am just hoping that she doesn't become a victim of anyone's spells. [ghost_wink] And I hope that she survives the movie. (Assuming we get sequels,) Where would the Collins family be without Elizabeth Collins Stoddard?
Because of their uncanny resemblances to Frid and Hall, I am also excited to see Depp's Barnabas and HBC's Dr. Hoffman. And Jonny Lee Miller's Roger Collins looks like he could revive all of the greatness of Louis Edmonds, especially the early Roger Collins character! Needless to say, my excitement for this film skyrocketed after seeing this picture. So, what are everyone else's hopes and expectations for these characters?
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The first part of arashi's post is a detail from the character descriptions in the published article that provided our first look at the official cast photo in this topic, so it's not a spoiler. The second part is her speculation.
I know I'm not the only one who chose not to read those descriptions in the article, but just looked at the photo. And it seemed as if people were putting that information in tags on previous pages. Anyway, it was a spoiler for me. I don't mean to sound confrontational, but it was.
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I find it strange, and hard to understand, why they would choose to try and look like original cast members when they don't want to follow the original story closer.
For the record, I never asked for a new Barnabas story. I was happy with it as it was.
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I know I'm not the only one who chose not to read those descriptions in the article, but just looked at the photo. And it seemed as if people were putting that information in tags on previous pages. Anyway, it was a spoiler for me. I don't mean to sound confrontational, but it was.
Point taken. I'm aware that there are a few instances when spoiler tags were used since the article came out, done at the poster's discretion, but that hasn't always been the case-- there's an earlier post about Barnabas' release that wasn't treated as a spoiler. MB and I feel it's better to be safe than sorry, so we don't discourage using spoiler tags, but as for hiding all officially released info about the movie, I don't feel we can possibly know for sure what photos are being seen or not being seen by individuals, or what articles, blogs, status updates and tweets that contain official info about the movie are being read by visitors here and which of these are being skipped.
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I find it strange, and hard to understand, why they would choose to try and look like original cast members when they don't want to follow the original story closer.
Because they disagree with you about it? A snarky answer I know, but then wasn't your comment at least as much? If the movie sounds like it just isn't your cup of tea, yeah fine. "Different strokes" and all that. But it sure sounds like you're expressing bafflement how anyone could have an opinion other than your own on the subject.
(And mind--you're nothing at all like certain folks on FB who're insisting no "true fan" of the show would even consider watching this movie or any other version etc. etc. etc. and who harp about all sorts of things about the movie they don't even know, because no one does! Don't want to tar you with their brush, or seem as if I were.)
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I can kinda understand making some changes to the story. I don't think anyone wants to walk in knowing everything that's going to happen. I think we all want it to feel fresh. Some of my favorite remakes are very different from the originals. "The Maltese Falcon" with Bogart was the third time around for that story but who even remembers who played in the first two? Others remakes that are favorites of mine are "The Thing" and "The Fly". I don't think it's better but "The Magnificent Seven" is at least as good as the original and it's very different from "The Seven Samurai".
This could end up be as good as any of those remakes. I'd be susprised by that but it could happen.
I just don't understand why they would want to copy the look of the original cast as much as they have. HBC and JD look like they're wearing Jonathan Frid and Grayson Hall costumes. That just seems a bit odd. I just think Barnabas should look like Johnny Depp, not Johnny Depp as Jonathan Frid playing Barnabas.
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This is just my opinion but I believe that if it's closed minded to dislike or put down a movie someone has never seen, it should also be closed minded to like or promote a movie someone has never seen. Both are examples of acting on something based on little or no information. Both are jumping to conclusions. Both are wrong. In my opinion.
no one here is "promoting" this movie. we're excited about it. you're not. you've made that abundantly clear. we get it.
again, you're relentless negativity about this project have totally brought down the tone of the board. in fact your distrust of it is beginning to border on obsessive paranoia.
i'm always polite and nonconfrontational at this board but i dread coming to this topic because i know it will littered with your complaints. so now your going to complain that depp and carter look "too much" like the original actors? i thought your fears were that this wasn't going to follow the original closely enough. you're impossible to satisfy.
besides i thought you "no longer cared" or were interested in this project. so why are you still complaining about it daily?
i'm curious. are you going to spend the next eight months until this is released nitpicking it to death or are you going to move on to healthier pursuits? some of us are looking forward to it.
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Michael C - I did say that I didn't care but that's a hard thing to do. After all I've been a fan of DS for most of my life.
I'm excited at times about the movie and at other times I worry about it. I'm a movie fan and I've been one long enough to know that about 99.9% of remakes are extremely bad. I've seen the remakes that Tim Burton has made and none of them, in my opinion are very good. I've read the only book that the screen writer has written on his own and I didn't care for it. The only reason I read it was the fact that he wrote the screenplay for this movie. His writing style is what I don't like and I'm hoping we get none of it in the movie.
I'm hoping this is going to be a great movie, I just think the odds are against it. I think the odds are against any and every remake.
I don't trust or distrust anyone working on this film, I don't know them.
Obsessive? Maybe, it's Dark Shadows, I'm a bit obsessive about everything Dark Shadows. I'd say anyone that comes here daily to read tweets from people they don't know about a movie based on a show that has been off the air as long as DS has is a bit obsessive.
Paranoia? I don't think so. I'm 100% sure they are making the movie they want to make. It has nothing to do with what I want, like or dislike and I'm ok with that. That's there right. Just as it's my right to like to movie or not like their movie. I hope that in the end I'll love it.
I'm not posting what I post to cause you to dread coming here. Like everyone that comes here I'm posting my feelings about what I read and see with regards to this movie. I can't change those feelings, they are what they are.
If you'd like me to leave, say so. If enough join you I will.
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I doubt anyone would like you to leave, borgosi. [ghost_smiley]
And as for tweets, here are two from Bella Heathcote. Or perhaps not from her. Who knows? [ghost_wink]
Bella_Heathcote Bella Heathcote
Rising stars http://fb.me/Ak7O76Bs
3 hours ago
She's #3. And:
Bella_Heathcote
Happy Sunday .. Still in London
1 hour ago
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The results of this poll are interesting considering the majority of the time it was being conducted was before the official cast photo surfaced on EW.com:
Readers weigh in on Tim Burton's 'Dark Shadows' adaptation and pre-game party spots (http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf/2011/09/readers_weigh_in_on_dark_shado.html)
But then it was conducted by a newspaper...
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I forgot where I saw it, but there was a report last week which stated that all the same named remakes, one after the other, were turning off movie goers, more of whom are staying home.
I sure hope that doesn't affect Depp Shadows!
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All DS fans have their favorites and not-so-faves. The original series, the books, the comic books (both lines), the 91 Revival, the Off Broadway play, the audio dramas, the WB Pilot, the first two movies, etc. Methinks there's plenty of room for criticism as well as praise with all of the above. We can certainly debate stuff like that. Should debate it. As long as folks show each other respect (none of this "you're not a true fan!" nonsense) and post politely, not harping on stuff and maybe forgiving each other for creating the wrong impression every now and then--we should all continue enjoying Dark Shadows, yes?
After all, we each of us already know what happens when you start a witch hunt! Look at poor Phyllis Wick! [ghost_sad]
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Very, very true.
I wonder if we will see a trailer on the SCREAM AWARDS? I think I'm gonna record it just in case.
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This is a very interesting addition to the cast list on IMDb:
Alexia Osborne ... Young Victoria Winters
Let the speculation begin! [ghost_wink]
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stunning development!
we know that "young barnabas" is part of the 18th century sequence but how does a young victoria factor in??? a flashback to the 1950's?
i was just wondering what this victoria's background was since i don't think we've heard the "orphan" word in any of the published character descriptions. is she from collinsport? is the hammond foundling home to make an appearance?
wow. [ghost_shocked]
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[ghost_shocked]
What in the world is a "real" DS fan, as opposed to a fake fan?
If you like any incarnation of DS, you are a DS fan.
End of story.
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I just don't understand why they would want to copy the look of the original cast as much as they have. HBC and JD look like they're wearing Jonathan Frid and Grayson Hall costumes.
Not every character is a direct copy of the original -- there has been much discussion on the blonde-ness of the new cast. In the case of Barnabas, Frid's look was truly iconic, from the Inverness cape to the wolf's head cane to the Barna-Bangs. Because this movie is inspired by the original series (in the vein of the ADDAMS FAMILY movies), and not a 2.0 type of reworking (which I consider the 2004 pilot to be), I think it makes sense to retain the classic Barnabas look. As for Julia, I feel that Grayson Hall made such an impact as, and contributed so much to the development of, Julia Hoffman that Grayson's look is forever entwined with Julia. I know that when I think of Julia Hoffman, I think of the red hair, the imperious manner, and overall style.
My excitement has not diminished since first seeing the photo. Knowing that Burton and Depp are both longtime DS fans makes me very optimistic. In the print edition of Entertainment Weekly, Burton said that when casting this movie, he asked himself the same question about each actor: "Is this person DARK SHADOWS?" That's the sort of question only a true fan could ask, because only a true fan is tuned into the show's unique vibe and would know to ask that question. So, I'll be counting down the days along with the banner on the forum.
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That are those who don't believe that anyone other than JF should play Barnabas, I'm sure say the samething about other characters. I think that Depp looking like JF will just add to that anti-Depp as Barnabas fire. I'm feel sure everyone here has seen the Depp as Barnabas art work that has been sold on t-shirts. I love that look. I'm all for the cape and cane. Barnabas should have those just as Dracula should have his cape. In the same way that Lee made Dracula his, I'd like to see Depp try to make Barnabas his. I feel that way about every character in every film. I really don't want the story of Barnabas to change but I think Burton and Co. should make this their movie in the same way that Hammer made Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy, and The Wolfman theirs.
It isn't a make or break thing with me. As long as the story works and is told well it doesn't matter what they look like.
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FYI Photo of the front cover of EW http://www.ew.com/ew/inside/issue/0,,ewTax:1174,00.html Haven't received my copy in the mail yet.
Young Victoria Winters-very interesting
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What's wild is that the article on EW.com has only fallen to #3 after more than three days. Apparently a huge amount of people are interested in seeing what Depp and the rest of the cast actually look like and/or to read their characters' descriptions. And that can't be a bad thing. [ghost_wink] And it probably doesn't hurt either that dozens and dozens of people are still tweeting on Twitter about the photo/article and providing links to it.
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Most of us read newspaper articles daily written by people we don't know anything about other than they are reporters. Many take into consideration what critics will write about a movie and we don't know the critics or their particular tastes or biases yet accept their verdict as probably being valid. This human habit is hardly restricted to DS fans.
I'd say anyone that comes here daily to read tweets from people they don't know about a movie based on a show that has been off the air as long as DS has is a bit obsessive.
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Personally, I think that would be a nice, funny touch to the movie and perfectly within credibility as someone born two hundred years ago would be quite started to see electric lights and cars all over the place. I would have liked to have seen Barnabas' reaction to such things on the original series.
Does he just wander the streets of Collinsport as he discovers things like cars and lights? In my minds eyes I can't see that as anything other than very comical. I hope it isn't.
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I'm glad to see some very recognizable inspiration from the original series. I am very curious to see how the photo of JD as Barnabas plays on the big screen. Right now, judging from this one photo, he looks too much like baby Barnabas or, as another poster said, JD looks like a 12 year old playing dress up as Barnabas. I'm fairly confident that will not be the look they are going for on the big screen. [ghost_wink]
I am most definitely happy about the photo and was thrilled to see they made an attempt to replicate the famous '67 cast photo!
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I don't know if you've seen the print version of the cast photo, but as I said, to me Depp looks older in it than he does in the online version. I suppose the higher resolution provides some sort of detail that's missing online.
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That's good to know. I'm not making any hard and fast opinions on it until I've the film.
I don't know if you've seen the print version of the cast photo, but as I said, to me Depp looks older in it than he does in the online version. I suppose the higher resolution provides some sort of detail that's missing online.
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It may just be me, but I think the corners of his mouth make him look older.
Also, I just came across this tweet:
Jvsmith88 Joelle Smith
Just got the new Empire Magazine. Dark Shadows looks kinda awesome. I hope Tim Burton is returning to form.
4 hours ago
Unless she meant to say Entertainment Weekly, it seems as if there could also be something in Empire. Unfortunately, though, I just checked the cover online and there's nothing on it to indicate DS might have something except for perhaps this: "RICHIE'S GAME OF SHADOWS AND 35 MORE MUST SEE MOVIES YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT NOW!" But that seems likely to be the winter preview and I don't see why DS would be a part of that. And a search of the site didn't bring up anything recent except for a rehash of the EW article with their photo. (Though on the plus side, Chloe Moretz' Hugo does have what looks to be a two page article.)
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there is something misleading about that photograph in terms of depp's appearance. he is 48 years old. no matter how he's lit and made up he can only look so "young" onscreen.
i think it's funny that in some of the polls one of the choices is that depp and burton will make this film "too weird". cause, um, the original series wasn't "weird" at all, right? [ghost_rolleyes]
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i think it's funny that in some of the polls one of the choices is that depp and burton will make this film "too weird". cause, um, the original series wasn't "weird" at all, right? [ghost_rolleyes]
Exactly! [ghost_wink]
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And since Depp and Burton are DS fans, we can also believe that the uniqueness of the series gave them inspiration to think outside the box (or coffin).
Nancy
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I realize that, considering the film is still shooting, it's early to get into this, but I really hope the Depp/DS film isn't test screened to death. And the reason I bring it up now is because I was just reading an article about recent test screenings of Chloe Moretz' Hugo that warned that the comments and impressions being shared wouldn't necessarily reflect on the final version of the film because that final version could be very different from what audiences are seeing in the test screenings because, based on their reactions, the edit of the film could easily change. And this is a film directed by Martin Scorsese - not some fledgling or mid-level director without clout. And also, in last week's issue of Entertainment Weekly, Brad Pitt talked about how his favorite scene in Legends of the Fall was taken out because audience response during test screenings ranked it the #1 most hated scene. But very interestingly, it was also ranked the #2 most liked scene, and Pitt tried to explain to the studio that the whole point of the scene was to evoke emotion - which it obviously did with opinion so split over it. But apparently that didn't matter to the studio. And that prompted the EW writer to remark that "God forbid you get an actual reaction from people."
**sigh**
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i think it's funny that in some of the polls one of the choices is that depp and burton will make this film "too weird". cause, um, the original series wasn't "weird" at all, right? [ghost_rolleyes]
Well, there's weird and then there's weird, y'know? I think probably most people are worried about DS getting weird in the cartoony, whimsical vein that Burton often goes for. The DS we know and love is more weird in the sense of "eerie". (Of course there are the multitudes who only think of DS as being the bloopers, which were absolutely nowhere near as ubiquitous as some would have us believe. Or they think of "overacting" and "low budget" production values, whereas DS was a very typical soap in regard to those factors. The only reason we saw stuff such as the flimsiness of sets and props was because DS had much more action and stuntwork going on compared to other soaps.)
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well aside from all that i think from about 1968 on the series certainly qualifies as "weird" plotwise as well. just try explaining the later part of the adam storyline or leviathans to the uninitiated and you'll get alot of blank stares. but that's a separate conversation really.
but i know what you mean in terms of this film and i hope it's not excessively "cartoonish" as well. the new cast photo strikes me as having the proper gothic atmosphere but who knows.
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I wonder if the cast photo was a tribute to the original photo and if they won't look quite the same in the finished film. Just a thought.
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Read somewhere this photo (which I must say seems very much a tribute to an original cast photo) was taken early on in production. So while one shouldn't expect every character to look like this for every scene, the basic design can probably be said to be there.
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Seth or Tim (can't recall which) says in the article--which I guess many of you aren't reading because you are trying to avoid spoilers--that the photo was shot the day before formal shooting began. It was Tim's shot at seeing whether they could establish "the Dark Shadows mood," and it was also done then because so many of the central cast happened to be on set that day (kind of like the classic 1968 staircase photo when you think about it, though obviously the inspiration for this one is the 1967 cast photo--which ironically was more or less "lost" until a few years ago).
I hate the whole Hollywood fetishization of test screenings, etc. I see it as yet another area where everything in our culture gets dragged down literally to the lowest common denominator. I hope Depp and Burton are able to fight for the right to have their vision be what they wish it to be. If not, there's always the DVD (or the Blu Ray if you must).
In other news, the girly-girly weirdness of Vicki's clothing keeps freaking me out every time I look at the photo... Are they trying for some weird reference to the whole KLS Junior Miss thing of 1970?
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In other news, the girly-girly weirdness of Vicki's clothing keeps freaking me out every time I look at the photo... Are they trying for some weird reference to the whole KLS Junior Miss thing of 1970?
Bella Heathcote's clothes provided by Junior Sophisticates.
Now I would pay extra admission if that were in the end credits, which I do hope scroll over the Collinwood foyer. [ghost_cheesy]
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I hate test screenings as well. I hope Depp and Burton have control of the final cut. Good or bad I hope we get the film they want us to get.
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Here is that Empire Magazine article mentioned previously here with new pics first reported by MB from Twitter: http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32089
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Very nice. And I know where I'll be on Thursday night - at Barnes & Noble tracking down the new issue (especially to see what the promised "more" is). [ghost_wink] Speaking of which, apparently they hadn't put up the new cover yesterday because the actual cover has right on it "Depp's Vampire Soap!"
So it looks like now it has begun - as if keeping track online wasn't enough, now we need to keep a lookout to see if all sorts of entertainment/horror magazines might be doing articles on the film. And can entertainment TV shows be far behind...
Thanks so much for the link, jimbo! [ghost_wink]
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Very cool! The blood spattered claws are a very Nosferatu touch. Michelle Pfeiffer is really going to put her own mark on the role of Liz, I can tell. I hope she and Miller get at least a couple of juicy scenes together. Wouldn't it be cool if they re-staged the legendary "Because I choose to do so!" scene!
I'm wondering if Burton isn't going to make this his personal tribute not just to DS, but to the whole aesthetic of classic horror that DS looked back upon. Cobwebbed staircases, secret passageways, crashing thunder, shadows upon shadows. I saw (and taped some of) Burton commenting on classic horror films on AMC many years ago--he's a huge fan of the genre.
From what I read of the text, there will be more of the Seth interview in the mag. There may or may not be more photos. Unfortunately mags from the UK often don't show up here until 3 to 4 weeks after they are released in the UK. I don't know why since there are many daily flights between London and major cities of the US.
I didn't notice anything particularly spoilery in what was said in the text on the website, but Your Mileage May Vary. Interesting that Burton decide the year "had to be" 1972. I'd like to read more of his thoughts about that...
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Unfortunately mags from the UK often don't show up here until 3 to 4 weeks after they are released in the UK.
That's true - though some stores often get them before others. And sadly, Borders is no longer an option.
One thing that I found fascinating was that Barnes & Noble first got a copy of the Euro-Harper's Bazaar magazine with Eva Green's cover story that measured 9 inches long and 6.5 inches wide. I bought that one not knowing that there is another version. But then the next month the full sized issue was available in the store. It was weird - at least to those of us who don't pay attention to the Euro version - or even to Harper's Bazaar at all.
What might happen with the Empire article, though, is that full scans of it may appear on some of the Depp Web sites. Many already have full scans of the EW article...
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Ooh. Does anybody out there have a link handy to one of the Depp sites that has posted full scans of the EW article?
Thanks,
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Go to this topic (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52486) on the JOHNNYDEPPZONE forum and scroll down to the third post. [ghost_smiley]
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Hmmm - this tweet would seem to indicate there are more photos in the actual issue:
empiremagazine Empire Magazine
Good news! We've got exclusive new pictures from Burton's Dark Shadows right here: http://t.co/Fr0m3qu7 Even more in the mag, out Thursday!
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I guess we'll see...
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Interesting to see the scans! Thanks!
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Must point out that twice before Burton sought to recreate a particular type of film's "look" and "flavor." In Ed Wood he clearly aimed at capturing the sensibility behind those charming, terrible films. Then in Sleepy Hollow he stated how it deliberately echoed the old Hammer Horror films. Must say, in both cases he succeeded! On the other hand he never said anything at all about trying to recreate anything in either Planet of the Apes or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Now he's been talking for months about the specific aesthetic of DS. Might naturally presume he'll end up pretty successful. Certainly looks that way so far!
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I enjoyed Sleepy Hollow, but personally, even with Christopher Lee's cameo appearance, there was nothing remotely Hammeresque about the movie, as far as my vision of the classic Hammer look goes. Maybe it did at times feel and look a little like Captain Kronos, which is on a very different wavelength from the classic Hammer oeuvre and is late in the day (1972).
Your Mileage May Vary, as always--and thanks for the reminder.
I could make other critical remarks about Ed Wood but it's even further off topic than the above so I will desist.
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Now that I've had the chance to get a better look at the new photos on empireonline.com, I have to say I'm loving the set Michelle Pfeiffer, Tim Burton and Jonny Lee Miller are sitting in even more than the other set, which we're presuming is the drawing room. It appears to be Collinwood's dining room and another room with a vaulted ceiling. I'm loving the wainscoting (and the wainscoting in the hall). The mural looks like it *might* depict Collinwood sitting atop the cliff - but at any rate it's definitely the cliff. And that door frame - whoa! (And what looks to be a face in the medallion is enough to give you nightmares, which is no doubt the look they were going for.)
I'm practically salivating now to see more of the sets. [62b2]
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Hmmmm...gotta say a lot of the costuming, the visual representation of women, the use of shadows, the use of sky, the rhythms, the friggin' windmill (right out of Brides of Dracula) all echoed Hammer to me, a lot. To be sure, it was the colonies not England and with a much grander budget, but the first time I saw Sleepy Hollow my mind went to Hammer.
Its a tricky thing, capturing something as nebulous as a "feel." Personally, I find the pics of the new movie more faithful in some ways to the series than was HODS. Mind you, I'm only referring to the pictures. Haven't seen the whole movie yet (no one has--lots of post production and editing yet to do). But it does, hopefully, give a nice foretaste. Prepares my palate, as it were.
For example--colors. Like the original series I see lots of bright colors off-setting the browns, blacks and grays. In fact a fair number of background colors seem muted or desaturated to some degree. One gets the impression of a place faded, and full of shadows. Of course on TV bright colors were often used to make things visually interesting. Elaborate sets and landscapes weren't really possible, and wouldn't work on tiny screens anyway. Star Trek did something similar, with those red, blue and yellow uniforms. For the movies they went with something different, all muted grays and browns at first and then those lovely black-and-burgundy uniforms with gold insignia and color-coded trim. Burton seems to have gone after something similar.
Be interesting to see this flick when it is released on DVD, and to watch it with the color turned all the way down to zero!
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First thing I want to say is I really, really hope to like this movie.
Having said that, I really can't see anyone being drawn to this Barnabas. Unless he puts them under a spell and that could be what happens. Do any of you think this Barnabas is "hot"? Maybe this is his vampire on attack look and he looks more normal the rest of the time. I just can see a beautiful young girl seeing this guy and think "I dig that guy!" but I'm not a girl.
And from what I can see of the "bloody claws" photo he really doesn't look like Frid, imho.
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I just keep coming back to Lara Parker's remark that Depp looks "incredibly handsome" as Barnabas. Though, of course, we don't know in what context she saw him as Barnabas to make that remark, just as we don't know the context of any of the behind the scenes photos we're seeing of Depp/Barn. And I also keep reminding myself that it's not likely that anyone would have described Ben Cross as handsome when he was in his vampire makeup behind the scenes while shooting the '91 Series.
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Since Johnny Depp doesn't look like Jonathan Frid, it really doesn't mean much to say "he doesn't look like Frid." Of course he doesn't. So what?
Honestly, I loved Frid's performance as Barnabas, but never EVER have understood why anyone would call him "hot." What I could comprehend, quite easily, would be someone falling in love with this man. Different thing altogether.
Johnny Depp on the other hand makes plenty of ladies swoon. I've seen it. Even when he's dressed in filthy, vaguely androgynous rags and with terrible teeth.
Mind you, I like the ladies so my opinion is of someone "outside looking in."
But until we see Johnny Depp as Barnabas--not a photo but some snippet of his actual performance--even tentatively rendering a judgment on that performances cannot make much sense.
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with each new photograph i get more excited.
love pfieffer's hair more here than in the earlier group shot. it looks more elaborate and 70's. the mood we're getting from these glimpses is somber, somber, SOMBER. not the bright cartoony world of some of burton's other works. it looks like that's what colleen atwood is going for in terms of the costuming too. DARK. not the visual dissonance of the original series' bright mod clothes juxtaposed against the heavy gothic interiors. just dark. but rich too. i keep recalling depp's GREEN inverness cape. a lush forest green. it look like hits of burgundy and plum are out there too. the early 1970's were something of a grim time if one recalls so all this makes sense visually.
it looks like depp in in 18th century costume for his picture. and the garment looks grimy and worn. shortly after his release, perhaps? the blood of his first victim on his hands?
it's all too much to take in.
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I think that when I first hear the words "Widows Hill" or "Collinwood" uttered in the movie theater, I will die. It will be so surreal. And, yes, the picture of Barnabas is clearly right after his release, or else, during the 18th century after he fell through the creaky floorboards of Collinwood. [ghost_tongue2]
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In light of this tweet:
ChazJohnsonUK
had to turn down a job on the new Tim Burton film (Dark Shadows) with Johhny Depp & Michelle Pfeiffer yesterday. XF is way more cool anyway.
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and this one:
ChazJohnsonUK Chaz Johnson
had to turn down a job (again) on the new Tim Burton film with Johhny Depp & Michelle Pfeiffer yesterday! #xfactor is way more cool anyway!
23 Jul
These new ones are interesting:
ChazJohnsonUK Chaz Johnson
Cannot wait to get back to @pinewoodstudios next week; but first time for weekend fun (and lots of gin) #debauchery
23 Sep
ChazJohnsonUK
Morning world. En route to @pinewoodstudios for some fun (and work...). #darkshadows
26 Sep
ChazJohnsonUK
Working with Tim Burton is defo a highlight of my film career. He is a genius. Johnny Depp & Eva Green also a complete joy to work with too
26 Sep
ChazJohnsonUK
Lots of green screen action today @pinewoodstudios. Still amazes me how VFX & SFX can create such awesome stuff (you cant see) #darkshadows
20 hours ago
ChazJohnsonUK
Back to set. Absolutely shattered! Crew catering and English breakfast first stop. Luckily, not many cast in today so should be a breeze...
10 hours ago
ChazJohnsonUK
@_SophCo_ totally feel you! It should be illegal to work at this time. My eyes being held open with matchsticks today. Miss you!! Xx
10 hours ago
But regardless of what changed his mind, at least we definitely know that they're still shooting.
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jamesaadkin James Adkin
Wrapped on the 'splinter unit' for #DarkShadows at #Pinewood Studios, once again, superb set up and facilities. And we have a heat wave....
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Trust me, Frid was 'hot' as Barnabas. He was handsome in a much different way than say a Roger Davis or a David Selby. It was his air of vulnerability (his character portrayal) in addition to his mood swings ranging from 'pity poor me' to 'rage'. In addition, it was his incredible voice and mannerisms. It'll be interesting to see if Depp can pull it off and I'm betting he can do it. However, maybe the storyline will not be one of a sympathetic vampire but will focus on another character.
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Miss Winthrop, I entirely agree. Even though I didn't see the show until it was syndicated in the 1980s and my days as an impressionable teen were far behind me, I was totally bowled over, especially by that voice!
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a couple more thoughts...
i'm just basing this on the pictures we've seen but it seems like depp, carter and miller are in effect "doing" frid, hall and edmonds respectively. they're not just playing the characters of barnabas, julia and roger in the abstract but very particular actors interpretations of them. on the other hand heathcote and pfieffer aren't "doing" moltke and bennett. they're just playing characters named vicki and elizabeth. does that make sense?
i could be completely off about this but the pictures left that impression.
also after i heard about the additional casting of a "young victoria" i started to think maybe things are getting a bit top-heavy in terms of cast and subplot. there's only so much that can be squeezed into a two hour film that will largely focus on the barnabs character...or is this a robert altmanesque ensemble piece?
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ChazJohnsonUK Chaz Johnson
Johnny Depp just picture wrapped with us. What a legend and so fun to work with! On another note - bed is calling and my feet are killing!
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Burtonie Burtonie
@ChazJohnsonUK So the filming of DS has finished today?!
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ChazJohnsonUK
@Burtonie No idea I'm afraid. Best to check with his PR / management people...
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Who knows why the times in that exchange are off? [ghost_huh] But that's the way it comes up.
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ChazJohnsonUK Chaz Johnson
En route back to set. Double expresso time for me! Shooting scenes with the lovely Eva Green today. #ineedmoresleep
9 hours ago
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More tweets:
irishrich82 Richard Murphy
Here we go, another crazy busy day. And a little good news to help get me on my way :-)
6 hours ago
carolkent carol kent
@irishrich82 good news ? what good news? did you have fun at the wedding ? xxx
4 hours ago
irishrich82
@carolkent been choosen to be one of 4 male dancers for the new Tim Burton film if the scene gets confirmed :-) x
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carolkent
@irishrich82 congratulations whoop whoop :) what is the film? X
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irishrich82
@carolkent Dark Shadows with Jonny Depp :-) I'm waiting on confirmation still so no congratulating yet but fingers crossed xx
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carolkent
@irishrich82 cool. That's the one where he is a vampire sexy x
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Wonder if this is for the present or the past? But since he hasn't been confirmed yet, apparently shooting will be continuing beyond today.
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This certainly sounds very promising:
bobby_coello Bobby Coello
Big article in #empire this week about #darkshadows @PinewoodStudios
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Hopefully someone will share scans of it sooner rather than later...
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Apparently there are some interesting things in the Empire article, according to posters on IMDB. If you love the pre-Barnabas storyline, chances are, I think you're going to enjoy what you read in the article. I don't consider these spoilers, but I am putting them in the box anyway.[spoiler]There's a rival cannery.[/spoiler] And, as I suggested a long time ago Christopher Lee plays a character who sounds very similar to[spoiler]Bill Malloy.[/spoiler] I will have to go find the magazine and read the article for myself... at some point. [ghost_cheesy]
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Wow. haven't any of the Depp fan sites posted scans of that article yet? What is taking them so long??
I do wonder whether the fact that it is almost Oct. now and they are STILL shooting will result in a re-scheduling of the release date. Given that MB confirmed my speculations on the length of post-production for the movie... based on something or other he had read.
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I was hoping to find scans of the full article but no dice yet. There's a magazine store nearby. I'll have to stop in this weekend to see if I can find it.
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Gothick, I really hope that the filming going over time won't affect the release date. I think that Burton's films do sometimes go slightly over time, and there is a lot of time left before the release date. As some of you may remember, Tim seemed in a panic about getting Alice In Wonderland done on time, but that film had 3D and a LOT of CGI which must've required a lot of hands-on post production. I think I read on the IMDB boards that this Empire article claims that there is very little CGI in DS, which makes me think it may be more like Sweeney Todd. Sweeney Todd filmed through May or June but yet was still able to come out before Christmas. On the other hand, who really knows if the two films are comparable. At any rate, I'll try not to worry about this yet [ghost_wink]
I'm trying to keep track of all the tweets, but has there been any word on Thomas MacDonnell? I wonder if he will be starting now.
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I very much like these new photos, especially the one of Pfeiffer. Her pursed lips and eyes say it all.
As far as Depp as Barnabas, I think he's going to work out wonderfully. The cast photo was a bit underwhelming because he did look so child-like, as others have said, but this newly released photo with the bloodied hands shows the promise of how scary he could be in the character. The thing about Frid's Barnabas that always got me was that he seemed worldly and was intriguing. He drew you with his charm and you did fall in love with him, as someone else said, because of his vulnerability and inherent "good nature" as it were. I never looked at Barnabas as someone I would push through a crowd to jump on top off, but more as someone I would like to spend time with in conversation. As long as Depp captures this aspect of the character, anyone with a bit of romanticism will instantly be attracted.
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Here are the scans - finally.
Empire Magazine Nov issue Scans ~ Dark Shadows article (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52523)
Thanks to JOHNNYDEPPZONE! [ghost_smiley]
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Brandon baby, the idea of Barnabas Collins in a mosh pit ... whoa. I am trying really, really hard not to laugh out loud now given that I am in the office and this laugh could be a regular war whoop. Thanks for that. This week has been shredding.
I was thinking about this project last night and this vision of Tim & Johnny having DS night every week for years... I was considering the bits and pieces that have been shared and I think that in some ways, these two know more about the minutiae of MANY of the episodes than anyone else who has ever worked on a film or remake of the series. Remember the time the writers had completely written themselves into a corner late in the original series, and somebody was sent outside to bring in a couple of the diehard fans to explain where they were in the story and what had been going on over the past few months? That's Depp & Burton... or so it would seem ... given these hints we've been given about stuff we're going to see in this.
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Believe me, as someone who handled Frid's fan mail for many years and accompanied him on most of his pro gigs for over a decade, there are plenty of women who would chew through steel to jump on top of him. The intensity of that drive, from women who have what seems to be challenging careers and a great home life, told me a long time ago there is something quite mysterious about how the Fridster comes across on camera, and in person. Call it charisma, I guess. I think my mother described the appeal well after meeting him at my 40th birthday party - "He's not what you call traditionally handsome but he has an interesting face, eyes and overall attractiveness to him." I'm not quoting her verbatim but that was the gist of her comment. She didn't get DS at all but did attend a few of Frid's one man shows and thought he had a tremendous presence and his voice was exceptional. Many of these components combine to create an appeal that is evidenced by the character and actor's popularity among DS fans.
This is a off-topic a bit but I have to relay a funny story (though it was not funny to me at the time). Back around 2001 when JF was doing some charity shows I was producing, we had to sneak around our hotel to get to my car in order to avoid several very persistent fans. Someone wound up seeing us in the parking lot and they all came running. We got in the car and I sped away. I was really ticked (and tired) at having to sneak around like that just to be able to go home and I practically shouted at him "What the hell is it about you that turns people into lunatics?!" Frid's response - "Damned if I know. I've never understood it." It's not that he didn't appreciate it: he didn't ever understand what it was about him that caused fans to react that way.
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Warning Warning Warning: Definite SPOILERS in that Empire mag article. My jaw dropped when I read one particular detail. There is also more info given about the Collinwood sets and there will definitely be some touches of Burton's trademark dollhouse grotesquerie at this Collinwood.
Seth the screenwriter describes the movie as a supernatural gothic soap-opera action-comedy. Humor is mentioned a couple of times. I still maintain that there WAS intentional humor woven into the original series--what else do you call Nicholas Blair leering at Julia and telling her, with a poker face, that she's been reading too many Gothic novels? But I'm sure the humor of this version will have the air of that trademark Tim Burton crazed whimsy about it. Brace yourselves.
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If done with a steady hand, I can see the description in my head working on screen. Yes, there were natural humorous moments in the series - when Willie wasn't quite dead Barnabas worried he would recover and write a memoir of his life at Collinwood, Julia's zings at Carolyn and even Barnabas - many humorous things that were character driven and natural.
If Burton continues to focus on the soul of DS, it will come all come out okay, his trademarks notwithstanding.
Seth the screenwriter describes the movie as a supernatural gothic soap-opera action-comedy.
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My jaw dropped when I read one particular detail.
Really? I can't say anything I read in the article was shocking. And I don't mean that in a sense that it's not shocking Burton would do it - but simply that I didn't think anything was shocking or apart from what could be in a DS film and it still be a DS film.
If done with a steady hand, I can see the description in my head working on screen.
Definitely.
Yes, there were natural humorous moments in the series - when Willie wasn't quite dead Barnabas worried he would recover and write a memoir of his life at Collinwood, Julia's zings at Carolyn and even Barnabas - many humorous things that were character driven and natural.
Exactly. And I love where the article quotes Richard Zanuck as saying that the film is "mostly interaction between characters and that's where the humour and the story comes from." That almost exactly what the film's editor/executive producer Chris Lebenzon said back in February at the ACE Eddie Awards when he said "It’s a relationship movie. It’s a lot of interaction of characters, from past and present." And a story that's character driven, with humor that comes out of character and character interaction, as has always been the case with DS, can't ever be a bad thing - particularly when it combines all the other touches the article describes as being a part of the film - and you have something that sounds very much like DS to me.
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Another addition to IMDb:
Ian Floodgate ... Collins Canning Worker (uncredited)
And because of what we learn in the Empire article, I'm wondering if Ashley Bernard's "Canning Company Employee"[spoiler]works for Angelique's rival cannery and not the Collinses as we first suspected?[/spoiler]
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how un-CANNY!
[spoiler]i was just saying to myself this morning: i'll bet angelique owns that other, rival cannery. and lo and behold. we've been given clues. she's already well established in collinsport when the story begins. she's out to destroy liz. certainly her power-pantsuit in the cast photograph screams "lady executrix". there's just not going to be enough time in a two hour movie to have a cannery subplot that doesn't involve barnabas and the rest of the leads.[/spoiler]
i knew it.
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I had someone ask me the other day if I thought that because the shoot is going on for so long and there seems to be several different subplots, if Burton isn't actually filming enough for two films, and the release might be like what director Richard Lester did back in the mid-'70s when he broke up his version of The Three Musketeers into The Three Musketeers: The Queen's Diamonds and The Four Musketeers: Milady's Revenge. I said I didn't know about that, though it would certainly be an interesting turn - but what I could see is that Burton might be planning to put together around a 2 hour release print of the film but then put out a longer Director's Cut on DVD/Blu-ray. I suppose we'll see...
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I guess I was the only one in the group who was really shocked when I read
[spoiler]that Angelique was running the rival Cannery! So in some ways Ange's character is being combined with Burke Devlin? Now I am very curious to learn just what are the grounds for Julia's hatred of Angelique well before Barn comes on the scene. Intrigue! [/spoiler]
I agree with comments from Nancy and MB--DS, the real DS, always was about characters interacting, clashing, conspiring, hating, loving... This is definitely sounding better and better.
All this, AND we get the restored NoDS! Yay!
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This is definitely sounding better and better.
Yes. And I'm really liking that they're giving their own twists to some of the story elements from the pre-Barn era because that stuff generally gets ignored in the DS remakes/reimaginings. It validates that those 9-10 months contained legitimate DS plots.
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Could be, MB. Also, it could be because Burton has a few ideas he wants to kick around in post-production for the editing room and needs that additional footage. As we know, the real making of a film happens in that editing room.
I had someone ask me the other day if I thought that because the shoot is going on for so long and there seems to be several different subplots, if Burton isn't actually filming enough for two films,
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As curious as I am about what this film will ultimately be on the screen, the second most compelling aspect for me is how the impact of the film will affect the current DS fandom. We saw an influx of fans and media attention when DS was in syndication on what is now SyFY for all that time. [clap2] The DS Revival series brought more attention to the franchise and an influx of fans. The ripple effects are still being felt as those who watched the Revival as young kids are now adults and board members here and active fans. [bigok]
Even if every single one of us thinks the final product completely sucks, the release of the film will still provide media coverage that will touch upon the original series and spark interest in exploring it. Hard core Depp fans who have never heard of Dark Shadows will definitely be amongst the first to explore this un-dead realm. [hello]
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I don't know if I will or not as I have not seen any performance footage of Depp as Barnabas. That's the only thing anyone can possibly base whether or not they are drawn to the character or not.
Having said that, I really can't see anyone being drawn to this Barnabas.
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Apparently there are some interesting things in the Empire article, according to posters on IMDB.
I was disappointed to learn that there aren't any pictures in the print issue other than what was shared initially online. Empire's tweet seemed to imply otherwise. And it might not have been very smart of them to share all the photos online because it lessens the chance that people are going to buy the actual issue, particularly now that people online have scanned/uploaded the article.
And speaking of scans, I came across a tweet from another Depp Web site that says they have scans. However, to access them one has to become a member, which I'm now in the process of doing (the confirmation e-mail is taking forever to arrive). It will be interesting to see if the scans are the same as the ones up on JOHNNYDEPPZONE (several other Depp sites have "borrowed" them) or if they've done their own scans, and if so, if they're better than what's up on JDZ...
I think I read on the IMDB boards that this Empire article claims that there is very little CGI in DS
You did. But what's interesting is that the article doesn't actually even say that. It simply says that Burton prefers to build sets rather than handle such things via CGI. But there's no mention of CGI as it pertains to things other than sets. So, CGI could be being used in the film in all sorts of other ways - particularly when we know they have been shooting green screen footage as recently as this week. [ghost_wink]
At any rate, I'll try not to worry about this yet [ghost_wink]
So far I'm not worried about a change of release date either. [ghost_nowink]
I'm trying to keep track of all the tweets, but has there been any word on Thomas MacDonnell? I wonder if he will be starting now.
As far as I've been able to tell there haven't been any tweets from him about DS or any about him actually working on the film. But that may not mean anything...
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It will be interesting to see if the scans are the same as the ones up on JOHNNYDEPPZONE (several other Depp sites have "borrowed" them) or if they've done their own scans, and if so, if they're better than what's up on JDZ...
Nope - they're linking to one of the sites that "borrowed" the scans from JDZ.
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The beginning of the Empire mag article, which is hard to read due to the poverty of the scan and the weird color chosen for the typeface, describes Burton directing Depp in a scene in which clearly there is going to be major use of CGI. And the blue bands that extend around the top of the Collinwood facade outdoor set show that in any of these scenes, lots of CGI will be involved to finish off the mansion--beyond whatever action is involved.
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As for CGI alot or a little depends on what you put it up against, next to Lord Of The Rings I feel sure there's very little CGI, next to 50/50 using it to finish Collinwood would be alot. The question for is if I can tell it's CGI when I'm watching it. I hope by the time I'm 15mins in I don't even notice.
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Well, I guess I had better clarify that I never meant to imply that there wouldn't be a need for CGI in the film. I'm just thinking there'll be less, relatively speaking. Alice In Wonderland was filmed nearly *all* in front of green screen (other than the beginning and end), which is very atypical for Burton. So that must've required an extreme amount of post production. If DS is more like Sweeney Todd, there will be CGI where needed, but they will try to achieve many effects using real tricks (such as for spurting blood all over the place, which they loved to do in both Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd [ghost_wink] ). 'Course, I didn't realize that the Empire article didn't actually say what the IMDb posts said it said (thanks MB for pointing that out), so I could be wrong in my comparisons. But I'm hoping that whatever CGI tinkering they'll need to do will be easy enough for them to fit into their time frame-- also, just a guess but they could well already be working on the effects for the scenes they've already filmed.
I haven't had a chance to read the Empire article yet but look forward to reading it later. I'm really excited about what I've heard so far!
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They could also be editing parts of the film as we speak.
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The Empire article was so, so, so reasurring! They could have easily gone the send-up route, like The Brady Bunch Movie, but it looks like they're treating DS seriously. The way it's described in the article, it's sounding sort of like a mash-up of DS and Dynasty! That, I think, would provide room for lots of humor, while still not being a "comedy".
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They could also be editing parts of the film as we speak.
I would actually be surprised if they were not. I think it's quite normal, at least for major productions, to have the editor working as soon as possible (that is, as soon as there is footage to work with).
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Thanks, MB, for posting the link to the empire article. It was very enjoyable, and was worth the read for the few small bits of VERY interesting new tidbits about the film. As more and more things are put out there I'm definitely becoming excited to see the finished product, whatever it may turn out to be.
I really want to see how Depp plays Barnabas trying to seduce and actually feeding on a victim. Each incarnation that Barnabas has appeared in has been markedly different, including HODS (as compared to the original series).
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since i'm apparently reading the tea leaves today...
i have another prediction. i won't "spoiler' it because it's pure speculation but i'm wondering if we're going to get some sort of "cassandra" type situation with roger. her seducing and bewitching him so she get get on the inside at collinwood.
it's just a thought but johnny lee miller doesn't seem like the kind of actor that would have signed onto this project just to be part of the set dressing. his role has to have some "juice" to it, so to speak.
we'll see...
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I had the same thought, Michael C.
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insomnibat Brian Peterson
@JoshLBarnett Loved Batman Under the Red Hood. Have you seen the still photos from Tim Burton's Dark Shadows?
25 minutes ago
insomnibat
@JoshLBarnett Dark Shadows #Redarkulously Awesome moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/09/27/dar…
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JoshLBarnett Josh Barnett
@insomnibat Barnabus!
17 minutes ago
insomnibat
@JoshLBarnett My friend worked on the FX/Makeup for the cast of Dark Shadows. It's going to be all kinds of vampire bad assery.
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Also, just for the fun of it I just checked Pinewood Studios Web site and it's sad that even though official photos have been released, DS is still the only film that has no photo over there. [hall_sad] Though even at that, at least they have something about the film. I don't believe there's anything on Warner Brothers' Web Site.
And I just realized that the HalloweenNight theme doesn't have a countdown to the release. That will have to be remedied immediately! [hall2_wink]
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ThatFilmGuyTCP Thomas Patrick
Has managed to wangle tickets to the Tim Burtons' Dark Shadows wrap party. Could be interesting. :)
27 minutes ago
I guess that means that it's coming up soon.
And there are:
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Check out: Hollywood star Johnny Depp filming in Bucks (http://www.buckinghamshireadvertiser.co.uk/south-buckinghamshire-news/local-buckinghamshire-advertiser-news/2011/09/30/hollywood-star-johnny-depp-filming-in-bucks-82398-29517186/)
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This makes it seem as if it's tonight:
Thedancinmouse Charlotte spencer
Getting ready for dark shadows wrap party gonna be on that dance floor with Tim burton and johnny depp!! Woo hoo!!
3 hours ago
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Apparently it is:
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
At the #darkshadows wrap party ravin it ip with tim burton helna bonham carter and eva green! Hopiing johnny depp turns up! #mangled
1 hour ago
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melissasuzanneh Melissa Hogenboom
Saw Eva Green at #DarkShadows wrap do. Slightly infatuated now. Hi Eva. Hi
1 hour ago
nikki_ahmed Nicola
Well I didn't want to go home but they made me! Had an amazing time @ the dark shadows Wrap party. Mini burgers champagne were a highlight!!
1 hour ago
Well, it's looking like the shooting phase of production is now over. Now on to post production...
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If the tweets about the wrap party hadn't told us shooting had finished, this article would have:
Pinewood celebrates 75 years filming the best of British and Hollywood (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/oct/02/pinewood-studios-75-years-lord-grade-films)
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Kurt_Hicks kurt hicks
Yeah I'm at a party with tim burton eva green and more !
18 hours ago
Kurt_Hicks
This party is on fire me and @mikewallis148 alll over tge calomari
18 hours ago
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
What. Night! The wrap party has delivered! Free booze means legless on to the next one!
12 hours ago
Josh_TurnerGolf
#darkshadows wrap party was quality and to make it even better thers not much of a hangover either!!!!
5 hours ago
Josh_TurnerGolf
My best mate @Kurt_Hicks with helena bonham carter last night! http://yfrog.com/18zgdmj
5 hours ago
Kurt_Hicks
I had so much free food last nighty it was crazy @NickHales6 @mikewallis148 @Josh_TurnerGolf
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Josh_TurnerGolf
@Kurt_Hicks @NickHales6 @mikewallis148 lol had so much free tequila last night its all I can taste now haha
4 hours ago
And he also tweeted this in response to melissasuzanneh's tweet about Eva Green:
Josh_TurnerGolf
@melissasuzanneh was ther too last night she is stunning! Have a good night?
1 hour ago
melissasuzanneh Melissa Hogenboom
@Josh_TurnerGolf yep fun fun.
17 minutes ago
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That's a great snap of Helena with that bloke at the party. She's such a gamine little thing.
Onwards and upwards!
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Remarks from KLS taken from the interview linked to in this post:
'The Bunny Years' author Kathryn Leigh Scott interview
"On this (Burton's) production, everything is so lavish. I suspect that what they spend in three days of filming would be what it cost us to make the entire (1970) movie."
I suspect KLS actually underestimates the cost of filming the Depp/DS film because her suspicions would mean that it only cost about $34 million.
It's going to be very interesting when we finally do find out what the budget actually is...
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I suspect that ONE DAY's expenses on the movie set were equivalent to MORE than what it cost to make all five years of the original series...
But I'm no actuary!
Remember KLS's story about the false fingernail fangs? I suspect that Terrayne/Beth got the same treatment for her own one day in fangs...
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My best mate @Kurt_Hicks with helena bonham carter last night! http://yfrog.com/18zgdmj
Wow, I hope Kurt is in the movie! They need a Chris/Joe/Jeff or otherwise attractive young male character like him in the film.
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empiremagazine Empire Magazine
Tim Burton is currently standing outside Empire Towers, looking slightly lost. If you've misplaced a Tim Burton, come and claim him.
9 hours ago
I hope he looked lost as in he wasn't quite sure where he was and not lost in the sense that he didn't know what to do with himself because one would think that even though shooting has wrapped, Burton would have an awful lot of work ahead of him on the film.
And as much as I enjoyed this song (and I really enjoyed it), I doubt Burton will be putting it in the film (even if he was to somehow come across it):
andrewsongs andrewsongs
They finished filming #DarkShadows this weekend. Now #TimBurton can finally check out my song about Barnabas Collins: http://youtu.be/3jXQ652Q7LM
4 hours ago
(But it might actually be one of the best songs based on DS. And the clips in the video work so well with it.)
And finally, it seems a bit odd after weeks have already passed they came out, but for some reason today dozens and dozens of people are suddenly tweeting links to the character bios that first appeared on Entertainment Weekly's Web site and are now all over the place.
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Does anyone here know if there's a cliff near any of the filming locations? I'm just wondering if it will be CGI.
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Wow, I hope Kurt is in the movie! They need a Chris/Joe/Jeff or otherwise attractive young male character like him in the film.
Have you checked out the other photo that Josh Turner recently tweeted (the link in in the upper right hand corner of the page). It looks like Turner could give the '04 pilot's Jason Shaw (Joe) a run for his money if they were ever to decide to use Turner as a model in an ad campaign for the Depp/DS film that would be similar to the one I posted back in '04 for the WB DS:
WB DS Ad Campaign?
[hall2_grin]
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Does anyone here know if there's a cliff near any of the filming locations? I'm just wondering if it will be CGI.
Unless I'm mistaken, the Devon location had cliffs.
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Have you checked out the other photo that Josh Turner recently tweeted (the link in in the upper right hand corner of the page). It looks like Turner could give the '04 pilot's Jason Shaw (Joe) a run for his money if they were ever to decide to use Turner as a model in an ad campaign for the Depp/DS film that would be similar to the one I posted back in '04 for the WB DS:
No, I hadn't noticed that picture, he is stunning, and so is his set design/sculpting! And that poster...I could stare at it all day. Too bad we didn't get to see more of that sweet 04 Joe Haskell.
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Yes, $34 million seems rather conservative. My lowest guess would be more like $50 million.
I suspect KLS actually underestimates the cost of filming the Depp/DS film because her suspicions would mean that it only cost about $34 million.
It's going to be very interesting when we finally do find out what the budget actually is...
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'Dark Shadows' Score Will Be 'Wilder' Than 'Edward Scissorhands,' Says Danny Elfman (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/10/04/dark-shadows-danny-elfman/)
Having never seen Edward Scissorhands, I honestly have no idea what to take away from that reference.
(And I also have no idea how people could answer the question 'Will Elfman's "Dark Shadows" score be another classic like "Beetlejuice," "Nightmare" or "Scissorhands?"' when they haven't heard it yet - and especially when he admits he doesn't even know for sure what it's going to be like...)
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multidyer Schultz & Wiremu
Dark Shadows officially finished all our equipment & materials returned and wrap party wrapped!
8 hours ago
Fi_zo Francisco Ignacio
@RealAliceCooper Hey, it's truth the rumor about you in the next Tim Burton movie? #AskAliceCooperSG
9 hours ago
RealAliceCooper Alice Cooper
@Fi_zo I do have a small cameo part in Dark Shadows. It's only a small part though, you could easily miss me if you're blind AND deaf.
8 hours ago
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Hmmm - wonder how we missed this ClevverTV video from back in April:
Thomas McDonell Talks Upcoming 'Dark Shadows' Role (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C04FHbEAPg)
Not that he said much - but the completist in me likes to have as much as possible for us to see/read. [hall2_wink] And we may have missed it altogether if it wasn't for the following tweet which claims to link to the film's trailer - but, of course, it doesn't:
moviesserver Movie Server
http://trailer-release.com/dark-shadows-2012/ #darkshadows2012 #darkshadows2012trailer #darkshadows #darkshadowstrailer #darkshadowsremake
9 hours ago
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ROFL at Alice Cooper's tweet [hall2_grin] I look forward to that.
The Edward Scissorhands soundtrack is one of the first movie soundtracks I ever purchased, and still one of my favorites to this day. Saying DS will be "wilder" doesn't say much to me, since ES is anything but wild, IMHO (more of a sweet fairy tale, though there are a few darker sequences). For me, Elfman is hit-or-miss. While many folks loathe Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, I actually love it, and love the soundtrack, but I wasn't that keen on the soundtracks to Corpse Bride or Alice In Wonderland. I'm crossing my fingers that the DS soundtrack will be a winner, and that it will incorporate enough of Cobert's compositions to make all us old fans happy.
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I'm crossing my fingers that the DS soundtrack will be a winner, and that it will incorporate enough of Cobert's compositions to make all us old fans happy.
I'm definitely assuming the original DS theme will be incorporated in some way--pretty hard to imagine them leaving it out! On the other hand, I can also imagine a DS film still working without it. For instance, NODS didn't use it. (Of course, NODS was a different kind of project, taking place in effectively an alternate DS universe.)
What would be very disappointing for me, however, would be to leave out "Cue #2", which first was used over the opening credit sequence of The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and was later added to the DS music library and was used in pretty much everything else Cobert and Curtis did together, since it was Curtis' favorite cue (mine too!).
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Is "Cue #2" the music those of us who had the 1969 DS LP think of as "A Darkness at Collinwood." I often think of that as "Barnabas' theme" because it so often played over scenes at the Old House when Barnabas and Julia were talking things over.
There was an article somewhere back in June, I think, where Burton or somebody claimed that the Elfman score would include at least Robert Cobert's classic title theme.
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Is "Cue #2" the music those of us who had the 1969 DS LP think of as "A Darkness at Collinwood." I often think of that as "Barnabas' theme" because it so often played over scenes at the Old House when Barnabas and Julia were talking things over.
Yes, that's it. To me, it is the "most Dark Shadows" of Cobert's music, and my absolute favorite piece in all of the library.
I remember that I used to listen to the album a lot the first couple years. We lived in a house that had very large picture windows on two sides of the living room, and one late summer afternoon I was alone in the house when a thunderstorm was approaching. I was listening to the DS album with the door and smaller windows open, watching the world get grayer and darker, the air cooling and the wind building, and Cobert's fabulous music playing rather loudly on the stereo. My idea of heaven!
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What a marvelous story, KMR. I just love moments like that.
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since depp alone earns tens of millions of dollars per film i'm sure 35 million is an enormous underestimation of the movie's total costs. the salaries of the main cast alone probably total more than that.
at the end of the day i'll bet were talking millions in triple digits in terms of the overall production costs.
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Yes, I would be shocked if the budget weren't in the nine figure range, for a project of this stature, with the names involved.
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I find it interesting that Burton wanted Elfman to keep the orchestra small. This seems to give credence to the notion that Burton is really apt on re-creating the original Dark Shadows feel.
I hope that the music isn't "wild". But, rather, done in a similar vein to Cobert's music - bombastic, eerie, and recognizable. Of course, this may be "wild" to modern audiences, so you never know.
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I hope that the music isn't "wild". But, rather, done in a similar vein to Cobert's music - bombastic, eerie, and recognizable. Of course, this may be "wild" to modern audiences, so you never know.
Following in Cobert's footsteps may indeed be considered as "wild" to modern audiences because just look how often Cobert's music for the original show is described as "overwrought," "overbearing," and "overly melodramatic" by people writing articles today about the original DS. [hall2_rolleyes] I certainly wouldn't want to lose even one overwrought, overbearing, and overly melodramatic note of it when it comes to the original DS because I love it all. But it's definitely going to interesting to see if Elfman dials it down, at least a bit, for the film.
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Some Depp forums are reporting that entertainment writer Mark Salisbury (Empire Magazine, Total Film, Premiere Magazine, etc.) may be doing a book on the making of the Depp/DS film. That would be great news IF true. And apparently he has done books on the making of Sleepy Hollow, Alice in Wonderland, POTC: On Stranger Tides and Sweeney Todd. But judge for yourself as here's a link to the page in question on Salisbury's blog: reel world matters (http://marksalisbury.blogspot.com/2011/09/dark-shadows-cast.html)
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Eva Green's dream role with Tim Burton in Dark Shadows (http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2011/10/eva-greens-dream-role-with-tim.html)
(Apparently the person who wrote this hasn't read the character bios on Entertainment Weekly's Web site or he wouldn't be going with the Willie is a shady house guest who raids the mausoleum to search for the family jewels angle - or that Julia comes to Collinwood to destroy Barnabas. [hall2_rolleyes])
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Hermes Press' latest Media Release (http://www.comiclist.com/index.php/news/hermes-press-to-reveal-dark-shadows-news-at-nycc-2011#more15029) claims they'll have the "latest news and announcements" and "some surprises" regarding the Depp/DS film at New York Comic Con on the 15th. I suppose we'll see. Their presentation at San Diego Comic Con wasn't all that bad...
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Eva Green's dream role with Tim Burton in Dark Shadows
I was glad to see that Eva added "and dark" to the description of the script, not leaving it at "very funny". "Very funny" and "very funny and dark" can mean two very different things!!
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I agree with you, cousin. I don't agree with those who think the Cobert score for the series was "overwrought" given the nature of soaps themselves. It was no more overwrought or overbearing than the medium itself. For heaven's sake, the whole series was over the top in terms of intensity and overwroughtness. The nature of soaps.
I find it interesting that Burton wanted Elfman to keep the orchestra small. This seems to give credence to the notion that Burton is really apt on re-creating the original Dark Shadows feel.
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We'', classic DS' music was pretty wild by daytime TV standards at the time so it makes sense. I just hope it's close in tone to the classic score and they HAVE to use Cobert's main title theme. I'll be crushed if they don't. I also hope they use the "Collinwood" theme with an opening narration by Victoria Winters.
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And that "yearning" theme that I always associate with Barnabas.
From the little I remember of daytime soaps of that era, you were lucky if they played a chord or two on an electric organ, just before the commercial breaks.
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I was just over at IMDb and I noticed that, quite interestingly, the actress playing Naomi is no longer listed as "uncredited" - she's been bumped up to the credited section.
And I also noticed this new addition in the uncredited section:
James Cooper ... Dock Worker (uncredited)
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This is just a guess. Based on "Planet Of The Apes" the re-make I expect the movie to start with the original theme music, then I expect music that would make us all think "Cobert" then end titles with a "remix" of the original theme.
I just want the story to scream "DARK SHADOWS".
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It was no more overwrought or overbearing than the medium itself. For heaven's sake, the whole series was over the top in terms of intensity and overwroughtness. The nature of soaps.
To be honest, I had never heard anyone criticize Cobert's score. If I had, I probably would have them boiled.
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It seems odd to me that people would think Cobert's music was "wild". It sounds very much like the music in Hammer films. It's very much in keeping with the style of the genre at the time.
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It seems odd to me that people would think Cobert's music was "wild". It sounds very much like the music in Hammer films. It's very much in keeping with the style of the genre at the time.
Really? I think Cobert's later atonal and percussion stuff for Dark Shadows is wild as anything... All those mad bongo drums and wailing theramins are pretty unconventional even by today's standards.
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A couple more DS comments from Eva Green taken from the article tweeted about in this post:
Eva Green & Ewan McGregor in "Perfect Sense"
'Your next film is Tim Burton's Dark Shadows with Johnny Depp.
We've just finished filming it. Oh, it was wonderful. I mean not "blah blah blah bull****, but they were really the kindest group of people I've ever worked with.
What do you and Johnny have in common?
Johnny loves insects too. He also loves skulls - it's a good luck thing. Sometimes people see that as something a bit morbid but I've always liked skulls and insects. When I go to New York I always go to this amazing shop called The Evolution Store in SoHo, where they have weird stuff and beautiful insects. For Tim Burton's birthday I gave him a rainbow beetle. He loved it!'
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Really? I think Cobert's later atonal and percussion stuff for Dark Shadows is wild as anything... All those mad bongo drums and wailing theramins are pretty unconventional even by today's standards.
Good point, Stuart. I can see that being called "wild". It is. But, the music in House of Dark Shadows, the bombastic trumpets, the low oboes... That is pretty much standard horror movie fare. It's far tamer than the music of The Haunting or Horror of Dracula. But, yes, once you get the "Head Music" in the Cobert catalog, then you are dealing with some pretty strange stuff. But, when I think of Dark Shadows music, I mainly think of the cues and themes in use before 1970.
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it seems as though there's been almost a complete cessation of new information about the film since principle photography ended last week. no new tweets, photos, leaked plot points, etc.
in fact i'll bet that now that the film has gone into the studio for post-production we will see and hear virtually nothing for the next several months until the trailers are released and the promotional work starts.
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Christopher Lee will be playing Bill Malloy according to imdb. Hope this isn't old news.
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MALLOY!
good grief.
the casting of such an obscure, early character...long dead and forgotten by the time that bejeweled hand reached out of the coffin...is definitely a wink-and-a-nod acknowledgment to the fans. a bit of an "inside" joke if you will.
i like it. [hall2_tongue]
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in fact i'll bet that now that the film has gone into the studio for post-production we will see and hear virtually nothing for the next several months
It would be nice to think that something along the lines of those promised "surprises" will actually come out of the Hermes Panel at NYCC, possibly even a clip from the film - but I won't be holding my breath.
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Christopher Lee will be playing Bill Malloy according to imdb. Hope this isn't old news.
After the Empire article there was speculation that he would be playing Bill Malloy. But the listing on IMDb is the first somewhat official place that's come out and identified his role as such. Thanks for the heads up. [hall2_smiley]
And speaking of IMDb, I've just noticed that the main cast is no longer being listed according to their MOVIEmeter rankings. I don't know how true it is, but I did read on IMDb that once a film finishes shooting and billing has been set, the IMDb cast listings reflect the official billing. IF that is true, then it seems as billing will be somewhat different from what we'd expected and might possibly be something like this:
Johnny Depp Eva Green Michelle Pfeiffer
Dark Shadows
Jonny Lee Miller Chloë Grace Moretz Gulliver McGrath
with
Helena Bonham Carter Jackie Earle Haley
and
Bella Heathcote
Thomas McDonell seems to have been demoted down to the costarring section. But then, presumably he will only have a small part...
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i haven't checked the IMDb listing in awhile...
strange that the mrs.johnson casting is not listed since the actress/character was in the "official" cast photograph in EW. i gather it's a very small part but then i'm sure so is "dock worker" or "slow dancer" or any of the other bit parts listed.
also not a peep about that rumored megan fox appearance either. was that just a complete fabrication?
frid, selby, scott and parker's characters are not identified in any way. this sort of gives futher credence to the idea that they will just be members of a crowd scene.
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strange that the mrs.johnson casting is not listed since the actress/character was in the "official" cast photograph in EW. i gather it's a very small part but then i'm sure so is "dock worker" or "slow dancer" or any of the other bit parts listed.
It IS strange that she's not listed. Apparently no one has thought to add her.
also not a peep about that rumored megan fox appearance either. was that just a complete fabrication?
I'm thinking that's exactly what it was. Even the person who reported it wasn't sure it had much validity.
frid, selby, scott and parker's characters are not identified in any way. this sort of gives futher credence to the idea that they will just be members of a crowd scene.
It's certainly interesting that Selby and Alice Cooper describe their cameos in basically the same way, as in blink and you'll miss them. And according to what was being tweeted at the time, they were on set very close to same time, which also happened to be about the same time the masquerade was being shot.
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I have a strange feeling we may be seeing a poster sooner than later.
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[female_skull]
this thread title should maybe be changed to post-production!
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Until the final edit is complete, production is still production, post or otherwise. [hall2_wink] And given the way the test screening process works, who knows when the final edit might actually be completed. That's basically why when I started this topic I said it woild carry us through shooting, post-production, and the run-up to release. [hall2_smiley]
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Like most others, I get nervous whenever I see the film described as funny, campy, or humorous. However, I have a question about fandom.
Let's assume for a moment that the film acutally is largely campy and comedic. Let's also assume the film is a huge hit. That would likely mean thousand of new DS fans will join our community (meaning DS fandom in general). However, in this senario, the new fans will actually love -- even celebrate -- the comedic and campy elements of Dark Shadows, while most old-timers (like myself) appreciate the show's serious horror tone. What will that mean to DS fandom? Would we split into two camps? What would happen on this board, for example, if we were suddenly invaded by dozens of young fans who laugh at DS and revel in the film's campiness?
Realizing this is all hypothetical, it is a real possibility. I'm just curious how traditional DS fandom would respond to a situation such as this one.
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interesting question...
however there is a vast difference between a film being a huge, even colossal "hit"(which depp/burton collaborations tend to be)and fandom.
most single installment films, as opposed to series or trilogies, do not inspire highly devotional fanbases and message boards and yearly conventions no matter how "successful" they are. it's a different level of passion and commitment. and as of now this is just a single installment film. we've heard nothing to imply sequels other than fan speculation.
and even if one enjoys this film tremendously it will take an entirely different level of commitment to sit down and follow a 1200+ episode serialized program. there might not be as much crossover as we think.
so even if the board does receive a flood of new members in the film's immediate aftermath the sort of daily touchstone many of us use it as might not happen.
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Actually, the possibility of a franchise has been mentioned at least four times in some official way or another. One of the producers (I believe it was Richard Zanuck) mentioned it a few years back. A spokesperson for Depp's production company also mentioned it around the same time. Earlier this year Variety mentioned that Warner Brothers is hoping for a franchise. And Jim Pierson mentioned the same a few months back. But, of course, hopes completely hinge on how well this current film does and how willing everyone concerned is in doing more, so your point regarding single installment films is still very much a valid one.
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whether or not this ends up being a single-installment film or a series i guess isn't really what i was trying to say...
just that fandom, as opposed to a hit film or film series, are sort of different animals entirely.
there are lots of very successful films and film series that do not inspire fandoms. most in fact. so no matter how well this does it might not translate into it's own fandom. "we" will absorb it into the DS universe but it might not get it's own self-contained following.
does that make sense? [hall2_undecided]
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It definitely makes sense. [hall2_smiley] And it's certainly going to be interesting to see what happens, both in terms of a possible franchise and how the current and any potential future film(s) affect fandom...
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Given that the placement of the characters in the photo indicates in many instances some sort of relationship that they share with an adjacent character, I'm wondering if there's any significance to Angelique being placed so close to Carolyn?
This new interview would seem to indicate that there just might be some significance:
Chloe Moretz Talks Texas Killing Fields, Dark Shadows, & on being a vampire (http://www.horror.com/php/article-3698-1.html)
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This version features audio of one of her comments about DS:
Chloe Moretz Steps Into The Shadows For Director Tim Burton (http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/2011/10/10/chloe-moretz-steps-into-the-shadows-for-director-tim-burton/)
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Like most others, I get nervous whenever I see the film described as funny, campy, or humorous. However, I have a question about fandom.
Let's assume for a moment that the film acutally is largely campy and comedic. Let's also assume the film is a huge hit. That would likely mean thousand of new DS fans will join our community (meaning DS fandom in general). However, in this senario, the new fans will actually love -- even celebrate -- the comedic and campy elements of Dark Shadows, while most old-timers (like myself) appreciate the show's serious horror tone. What will that mean to DS fandom? Would we split into two camps? What would happen on this board, for example, if we were suddenly invaded by dozens of young fans who laugh at DS and revel in the film's campiness?
Realizing this is all hypothetical, it is a real possibility. I'm just curious how traditional DS fandom would respond to a situation such as this one.
A terrible and bloody "era war" would surely break out in the fandom. I shudder to think of the consequences ;)!
I sincerely hope the movie isn't "funny." I get a bit antsy when I read comments about the film being part comedy. Yes, the original DS had funny moments (Carl and Pansy anyone?) but that type of humor was in context and fit the tone of the show. I doubt they'll set out to make the new movie a comedy. I suspect the humor we'll see will come from some of the strange situations and will probably consist of some brief "gallows humor" moments. At least I hope that's what they mean when they say it's "funny."
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digressing a bit to the film's production costs today 'perez hilton' listed hollywood's ten figure earners...
guess who topped the list? although exact numbers were not given out let's assume depp takes home 15-20 million per movie. that alone would eat up over half the film's total budget if the 35 million dollar figure were accurate. i'll bet pfieffer is closing in on 10 mil or so as well.
so the total production costs here have got to be pretty stratospheric.
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OMG! I am so sorry guys I have been away so long! I felt drawn to the cover of ET while I was up at my grandmothers. I didn't even know it had the first look at DS! So I bought and got it home and I was quite surprised! I am OVER THE TOP thrilled. I think they have nailed the weird vibe that DS had. It comes across in the new cast photo! I love how they based it on the old cast photo! I take back what I said about Helena! She and Johnny look more like the original actors than any of them. Helena is even wearing the same type of nail polish Grayson wore! KUDOS to her for her research! And Eva Green has got a a great Lara Parker type stare going on! I just think everyone looks AMAZING! I for one am no longer worried! I think they have gotten the tone down perfect!!! YAY! SO EXCITED! And I absolutely am in love with Michelle P. She looks goregous in that black outfit with the Eagle belt. I am so glad that the show is set in the 70's! I love the 90's show, but I think DS works better in the 70's! I CANNOT WAIT! SO SO HAPPY! I HAVE NO DOUBT this movie is going to be amazing!!! [bonny_hand]
I have been really sick for the last month guys! I have missed you all but I am back now!
Shows are still drawing inspiration from DS. [spoiler]Supernatural has the OLD ONES on it this season and they are referred to as LEVIATHANS! SO COOL!!!![/spoiler]
I have missed you guys!
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Nelson, I have been around the fandom for over 20 years many fans already embrace the show the way you are wording it below. I take it that you have not been to a festival and seen any of the hilarious skits that celebrate the campiness of the show and its other elements. Many fans are devoted to blooper-watching and still search for un-discovered bloopers! The fandom you worry about existing was born a long time ago though I don't think these fans think they are laughing at the show but rather with the show. They enjoy campiness and love DS. There are many DS fans who take the show more seriously and don't get the fascination with bloopers, (I'm in that camp, pardon the pun) however, fans in both "camps" have co-existed quite well for all the time I've been around. I have had fans at festivals and in other venues tell me they see DS as a comedy. In fact, some mainstream publications over the years have called DS "a comedy."
The two huge influxes into fandom since the original series aired - the 1990 Revival series and the SyFy syndication of the original saw all types of new fans with varying sensibilities about DS. We all adjusted then and we will adjust again with the influx of new fans from the new DS movie. I don't see any new fans who think DS is a hoot will disrupt anything.
Nancy
However, in this senario, the new fans will actually love -- even celebrate -- the comedic and campy elements of Dark Shadows, while most old-timers (like myself) appreciate the show's serious horror tone. What will that mean to DS fandom? Would we split into two camps?
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Three possible sources of new info:
Depp has a cover story in the new issue of Vanity Fair, which I believe comes out today.
Michelle Pfeiffer has an interview (also a cover IF you happen to catch the right issue because there are multiple covers) in the new ELLE - not sure if that's out already or not.
And Depp is apparently going to appear with Larry King on CNN on the 16th.
Though, of course, all or none could potentially have info about DS as Depp is mostly promoting The Rum Diary and I'm not sure what Pfeiffer's interview is about...
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I will fling items at the TV screen if that is the case!! [hall_angry]
Though, of course, all or none could potentially have info about DS as Depp is mostly promoting The Rum Diary and I'm not sure what Pfeiffer's interview is about...
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I didn't receive this week's issue of Entertainment Weekly until today (I was having my roof reshingled and apparently the old Post Office motto: "Neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow, nor gloom of night shall keep the postman from his appointed rounds" doesn't hold true any more because my mail wasn't delivered for three days while that was being done - though I suppose reshingling isn't actually mentioned in the motto [hall2_wink]), and as no one else has posted it, here's a letter written in response to the DS artilcle:
Fangs for the Memories
When I was a kid, it was a must that I would makie it home in time from school to watch Dark Shadows. Anytime I was being punished, my mom wouldn't ground me; she would just take away my favorite show. I cannot wait to see Tim Burton's version, and Johnny Depp makes a perfect Barnabas Collins.
SHARON HOULE
Waterville, Maine
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Nancy, you've made many good points about blooper/skit fans and serious fans- thanks for your thoughtful post. While waiting for the film, a number of folks from the Depp forums who were previously unfamiliar with DS have started watching via Netflix or Youtube, and many have expressed newfound respect for the show. So regardless of how the film comes out, I think there are a lot of folks out there who have open minds and are interested in exploring the original series for what it was.
As far as Vanity Fair- I saw some scans a few days ago and just found it yesterday at Barnes & Noble (I'm in the DC area, so it may not have hit smaller cities yet). There is really no talk about DS, I'm afraid- it is just mentioned as a current project, and the long hours Johnny was spending on the set (and going out drinking and gambling with the VF interviewer on a work night, much to the chagrin of some fans).
Hopefully there will be some DS mentions in the Larry King interview, ditto the upcoming Rum Diary premiere and several college screenings for that film, and ditto any other Rum Diary press or interviews that come up (we haven't heard yet about a Rolling Stone interview, but since The Rum Diary's author, Hunter S. Thompson, was a major fixture in the Rolling Stone community for many years, it stands to reason that they will do one). However, since The Rum Diary was an especially personal project for Johnny, and since Hunter was such a close personal friend, there may be more emphasis on it and less on other projects than usual (though I hope he will indeed touch upon DS, since of course DS was a personal project for him too!) We'll see what the next couple of weeks bring!
And thanks MB for the tip on the Pfeiffer interview!
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Larry King Tweeted "Excited to announce my next special: an interview with Johnny Depp! Airs Sunday, 10/16 at 8pmET/5pmPT. " on CNN
http://twitter.com/kingsthings/status/123778597243727872/photo/1
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2011/larryking/ (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2011/larryking/)
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Thanks for providing us with the time, LdyAnne. [hall2_smiley]
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A bunch of twitter posts point out that Johnny's been doing a bunch of interviews today, so again, while The Rum Diary may be the main focus, cross your fingers for some DS content as well!
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Let's derfinitely hope so. [hall2_smiley]
Speaking of Twitter, I've only been checking it out about once a day since shooting wrapped, so I just discovered this:
bobwood32 Robert Wood
Been working pinewood on DARKSHADOWS film next week start again 007 yeah yeah.
19 hours ago
Which lead me to this:
bobwood32
Ohhhhh yes. http://yfrog.com/o098tozj
15 hours ago
I wonder if that's the official logo or if it was just for the wrap party ticket? Like many things, time will tell...
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That is the same image used throughout production. It appeared on Frid's name "plaque" when he was on set. It would not surprise me if this is, indeed, the official logo.
After all of the excitement about THE AVENGERS trailer, I wonder if DS will have trouble toppling that at the Box Office. I doubt there will be any worry from the other May 12 releases, but it could have some trouble following that film. Then again, Superhero films, over all, have not been doing all that well, but there are some pretty hefty properties in this one... Let's just hope it doesn't affect DS's numbers. Then again, I think DS has a more diverse audience... We will see.
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That is the same image used throughout production. It appeared on Frid's name "plaque" when he was on set. It would not surprise me if this is, indeed, the official logo.
That's right. I forgot all about that. But I do remember you saying you wish there had been a higher resolutions shot of the logo so you could inspect it better. Well, you've gotten your wish. [hall2_wink]
After all of the excitement about THE AVENGERS trailer, I wonder if DS will have trouble toppling that at the Box Office. I doubt there will be any worry from the other May 12 releases, but it could have some trouble following that film. Then again, Superhero films, over all, have not been doing all that well, but there are some pretty hefty properties in this one... Let's just hope it doesn't affect DS's numbers. Then again, I think DS has a more diverse audience... We will see.
There's probably some crossover audience so far as the two films go, but for the most part I suspect the Depp/DS film might have more appeal to a different audience than The Avengers. Though if the economy doesn't improve some by next May, neither film may be making much money because it seems like every week lately the bar becomes lower and lower for what sort of box office take makes for a successful opening and a successful film overall. Though that could also be due to the types of films that are currently opening. It'll be very interesting to see how big the holiday films open once we get to the Thanksgiving/Christmas season...
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Thank you, Madscntst! Over the years, DS has come up in conversation with friends or acquaintances and many of them, unfamiliar with the show, got their hands on episodes of the original series. Some were quite amazed by it, and rather excited as it was basically "live television" WYSISYG. A few others thought it wasn't very good, but most liked it even though they didn't necessarily become devotees. I am excited by the prospect of new fans coming into the fandom and stirring up the dust a bit. [hall_smiley] It's all good.
A case in point for me was my own initial dismissal of the Revival series. I watched the first few episodes and had some issues with the directing. As a result, I stopped watching it and just said I didn't like the Revival. It was through meeting new fans coming into the fandom (and reading posts of Revival fans here) because they loved the Revival that I decided to take a second look. Well, I developed a different opinion than the first and realized I had not given the Revival a chance to play itself out beyond a handful of episodes.
Nancy
Nancy, you've made many good points about blooper/skit fans and serious fans- thanks for your thoughtful post. While waiting for the film, a number of folks from the Depp forums who were previously unfamiliar with DS have started watching via Netflix or Youtube, and many have expressed newfound respect for the show. So regardless of how the film comes out, I think there are a lot of folks out there who have open minds and are interested in exploring the original series for what it was.
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Just a very short note from someone who became a fan in June-July 1968... I LOVE all the campy, crazy, and bloopery moments on DS. I don't jump in my seat every time the series is referred to as a "campy" Gothic soap opera (or whatever). Part of that is because the word "campy" is used so loosely in the US that unless I have first-hand familiarity with the material, I have no idea what, if anything, the writer means by it. The Susan Sontag essay about Camp from the mid 1960s is an excellent summing-up of the ORIGINAL meaning of Camp during the period when DS was in production, and she attributes some magical, positive value to the concept of Camp.
I for one will be delighted if the new film makes some witty allusions to some of the moments in the series where they were going for a camp and/or humorous tone. Contrary to what the stars recall ("we always did it with TOTAL seriousness!!!") it's obvious if you watch carefully that they WERE sometimes having fun, deliberately, with the material. Just think of the scene where Carl first meets Barnabas in 1897. LOVE that kind of thing. Or Julia's response when Barnabas informs her he's had a "talk" with Megan.
I'm actually wondering if the tone will at times be more reminiscent of a Saturday Night Live skit on DS... if so, then I will be disappointed. As others have said, I am holding back judgements or expectations until the movie actually comes out, however.
G.
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[candle_in_skull_2]
Larry King makes another one night return to CNN on October 16, when he interviews Johnny Depp.
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More comments from Chloe Moretz:
Chloe Moretz Is Perfectly Comfortable with Her Dark Side (http://www.nbcmiami.com/blogs/popcornbiz/At-14-Chloe-Moretz-Is-at-Ease-Among-Killing-Fields-and-Dark-Shadows-131545063.html)
I'm particularly intrigued by her remark that in the beginning we're going to be questioning what Carolyn is up to. Though we may have actually had some clues already as to what she's up to...
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According to this article on examiner.com, DS *will* be one of the topics covered on the Larry King interview this Sunday:
http://www.examiner.com/culture-events-in-national/larry-king-talks-to-johnny-depp-about-new-hunter-s-thompson-film (http://www.examiner.com/culture-events-in-national/larry-king-talks-to-johnny-depp-about-new-hunter-s-thompson-film)
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Excellent news. [hall2_wink] Thanks for posting the link to the article. [hall2_smiley]
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I personally beleive they made Carolyn younger is if the series becomes a franchise then then they can use storylines as she grows up. Also do we know if the cast also signed contracts for anymore future movies??? I know the cast of THE AVENGERS signed a conract to be in five movies!
Great to be back you guys! Missed you all!
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I missed you too, Taeylor! I haven't heard anything about the cast signing contracts, but that's an interesting question. If not, maybe if this film is successful they can try to get a commitment before proceeding on any future films. I know that Zanuck has said something about a franchise, but I haven't actually heard that from Depp or Burton, but we'll see! Re. the 5 movie Avengers contract, I hadn't heard that but that is quite a commitment! Especially considering that most of them probably signed contracts for their own stand-alone films. Yikes.
For what it's worth, tonight is the Rum Diary premiere at the LA County Museum of Art. I'm not sure if there will be any red carpet interview snippets of Johnny, but we'll see!
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I personally believe they made Carolyn younger is if the series becomes a franchise then then they can use storylines as she grows up.
i also think that one of the reasons they decided to make carolyn a much younger character is to differentiate her more from vicki. given the perimeters of a two hour movie there's not really enough material to support two characters as close in age as vicki and carolyn were in the television series'. so by creating this age gap they can be more delineated characters. probably for this same reason maggie evans is not on the canvas at all.
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It's good to have you back, Taeylor. [hall2_smiley] And it would be very interesting to know if the stars had signed contracts for multiple films. Like madscntst, I've never seen anything about that. But then, with the way the lid has been kept so tightly on so much surrounding the film, I'm not surprised. I'm just grateful that we've been able to learn as much as we have so far.
And speaking of Depp appearances, ever since shooting wrapped I've been DVRing several of the entertainment shows just in case anything about DS pops up. Nothing on that front so far, but apparently Depp will be appearing on tonight's installment of Entertainment Tonight. Well, unless more news about Ashton and Demi or the Michael Jackson trial bumps him because, with that show, a segment of Depp promoting a movie couldn't possibly hope to compete with that sort of gossip. [hall2_rolleyes] Though chances are if Depp is on, they'll be focusing more on The Rum Diary than anything else...
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^^^Getting a teensy bit off topic (wrt the film, anyway), but a few clips from the latest Depp interviews have been popping up on the net, and some keen eyes have noticed that Johnny has a new tattoo on the back of his right arm, that looks like an I Ching symbol, which sleuths have now concluded that he obtained last Friday along with Damien Echols (of the West Memphis Three). I'm pretty sure the tattoo doesn't have to do with DS directly, but that didn't stop me from making the connection, anyway! "The hexagram of change!"
Thanks for the tip about Entertainment Tonight, MB- I usually watch Jeopardy at that time if I am home from work, but I'll make sure to tune in tonight [baticon]
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Here is a tiny snippet from an MTV interview with Johnny, speaking about his choice of look for DS. Hopefully it will allay some folks' fears:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1672481/johnny-depp-dark-shadows.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1672481/johnny-depp-dark-shadows.jhtml)
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That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Well I just finished watching ET and I see that Depp was not on. Who knows? But Nancy O'Dell definitely interviewed him yesterday because there's a photo on ET's Facebook page of the two of them posing together. Apparently the interview will show up at some later time.
Interestingly enough, though, Depp was on Extra tonight where he was asked about The Rum Diary, the possibility of more Pirates, and The Lone Ranger - basically everything but DS. [hall2_rolleyes] But he will also be on again Friday night, so we'll see...
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Here is a tiny snippet from an MTV interview with Johnny, speaking about his choice of look for DS. Hopefully it will allay some folks' fears:
Very interesting. Thanks so much for the link. [hall2_smiley]
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I had not considered this before but, hmm, could be.
Welcome back!
I personally beleive they made Carolyn younger is if the series becomes a franchise then then they can use storylines as she grows up. Also do we know if the cast also signed contracts for anymore future movies???
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Does anyone care to speculate on a sequel to the film? It might be fun.
It seems Burton and Depp have simplified the details of the Barnabas story in order to fit it into a two-hor movie. And from what I've read here on the board, most of us seem okay with that. However, assuming a sequel will include Quentin -- that story will be much more difficult to simplify. In my opinion, the Quentin/werewolf storyline was a much more complicated and layered tale than the original Barnabas/vampire story.
As we all know, the Quentin story really begain with Quentin's ghost and Chris Jennings. Then we went back-in-time to reveal that Quentin had also been a werewolf. Quentin wasn't even a major character in his own storyline until months into the plot. Although it was a wonderful time for the show (perhaps the best, in my opinon), it certainly wasn't a very linear story arc. I think it would be almost impossible to make a movie out of that, unless the plot is changed significantly. I believe, somehow, Quentin (the real Quentin, not his ghost) is going to have to show-up at the beginning of the movie (sequel) and go from there. Also -- will it be possible to tell Quentin's tale without going back-in-time? They seem to have eliminated that from the first film through flashbacks. Any ideas on how Depp and Burton would interpret the Quentin plot for a sequel?
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I would hate to see them do away with the Haunting of Collinwood. That, by far, is my favorite present-day storyline. I'd hope that they'd stick with the haunting, and then, somehow, during the film, Quentin would become human, through supernatural forces, and the family would all have to deal with that. It may be too much to tie in the werewolf story, but it's not impossible.
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Chloe Grace Moretz Talks TEXAS KILLING FIELDS, DARK SHADOWS, EMILY THE STRANGE and More (http://collider.com/chloe-grace-moretz-texas-killing-fields-dark-shadows-interview/120498/)
It's interesting how shooting the film seems to have very much been a collaborative effort with the actors suggesting things that might not have even been in the script. Which also could mean that even if someone were to get ahold of the script, some things in the film could be different.
And in this one Chloe has more of a generalized remark rather than a specific one about DS:
Chloë Moretz on Texas Killing Fields, Hugo and Why Audrey Hepburn is Her Idol
We catch up with the young actress for a chat about her latest film -- and what draws her to her roles. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/texas_killing_fields/news/1923723/chlo_moretz_on_texas_killing_fields_hugo_and_why_audrey_hepburn_is_her_idol/)
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I am certainly hoping for a sequel(s). On the other hand it took what 3-4 years for one script to be written. Then you would have to deal with Johnny's insane schedule. I don't know if JD will even do a sequel without TB so you may also have to work around TB's packed schedule. If the actors signed on for sequels that would answer this question.
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If they do make a sequel, and if it does happen to involve Quentin, I don't think the complexity of the Quentin story in the original series would pose any problem. They wouldn't need to rehash the whole original plot, only the very basic elements of the original Quentin (what kind of character he was, the fact he was a werewolf) and hopefully haunting of Collinwood and Quentin's descendants. There are an infinite number of possible ways they could make an new story completely true to the spirit of the original, for a self-contained two-hour movie. (Although, my hopes are for this movie to inspire a new TV series--hopefully on something like HBO or AMC, where I find the quality (writing, directing, acting, etc.) to be of much higher quality than on the broadcast networks.)
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the haunting of collinwood and 1897 although connected are two totally different storylines with different casts of characters. still one doesn't really make sense without the other.
and 1897 was so colossal and unwieldy i'm not sure it could ever be worked into a two hour timeframe.
but if a sequel does end up being produced and it features quentin i think we can count depp out. he doesn't strike me as the kind of actor who'd sign up to play second banana to another male lead.
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Jonathan Frid released an update video where he briefly talks about the new movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKWM8u6d48&feature=youtu.be
Minus a sequel a new TV series does intrigue me. But let's hope for a sequel and if not a new TV series with a new cast-DS will never die.
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[candle_in_skull_2]
Christopher Lee plays Bill Malloy, according to imdb.
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The Hermes panel at NYCC is supposed to be starting in about 10 minutes. I wonder if there will be tweets from it like there were from the San Diego panel...
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Apparently several tweeters will be in attendance:
News_on_Shuffle News On Shuffle
In line for the Dark Shadows panel! #NYCC #LetsDoThis
43 minutes ago
DifficultDiva D. Robinson
In line for the Dark Shadows panel. Missed the Buffy/Angel and Justice League.
35 minutes ago
peterlangcrime Peter Michael Lang
Channeling my inner Willie Loomis while waiting in line for Dark Shadows panel at #NYCC
31 minutes ago
DailymotionUSA Dailymotion USA
At #nycc and the #DarkShadows panel incl. news on the Tim Burton/ Johnny Depp film is about to begin. http://dai.ly/pNmhEu
1 minute ago
So, IF there are any "surprises," chances are someone will tweet about them...
Also:
VIP_MovieSnob VIP Movie Snob
Johnny Depp to Play a Vampire: Johnny Depp hits the big screen as a vampire in 2012. Not to worry – he won’t be ... http://bit.ly/pQ5X5H
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So far not a peep out of anyone using the #darkshadows or #nycc hashtags - or even just mentioning DS...
(Though Buffy fans are falling all over themselves with excitement at having met James Marsters and Eliza Dushku.)
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Well, there wasn't a word about anything regarding the panel - not even to sum up if it was great of if it stunk. So, it should be interesting to see what any online reports might say...
The one interesting tweet regarding the film was this:
girlalex8719 Alex
Whenever I read about Johnny Depp speaking about #DarkShadows, it makes me shiver in anticipation. You can hear how into it he is.
45 minutes ago
And I do have to agree...
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Well, any theories that the "surprises" revealed at the NYCC panel were so exciting that people passed out from the excitement and that's why there weren't any tweets about the content of the panel would appear to be wrong. [hall2_wink] I've checked the four accounts of the people who said they were attending the panel (just to make sure they didn't tweet something that didn't mention DS specifically, like Depp or whatever), and while none of them has said a thing about it, they have been tweeting about many other things since the Hermes panel ended. So, apparently they weren't all that surprised by what they might have seen/heard...
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Welcome back!
THanks so much Nancy! It's good to be back. I hope everyone else is glad to see me! :) Love yall!
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This is the sole remark I've come across on Twitter concerning today's Hermes panel at NYCC - and quite obviously it's not a particularly flattering one:
romistep Romi Stepovich
#darkshadows panel at #nycc reminded me of scenes from galaxy quest.
4 hours ago
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It's good to be back. I hope everyone else is glad to see me! :) Love yall!
I'm glad you're back. I'm glad I'm back. I have had ongoing PC problems. Just got the baby back from Best Buy Geek Squad. It's been awhile. I was using my netbook (tiny, little awful thing that it is) and anxious for updates, etc.
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I'd like to add my opinion on a sequel if I may. I'm fascinated by the idea of Bill Malloy character being in the movie. Perhaps a connection, love or otherwise with Dr Hoffman and/or Elizabeth. The resolution of the Victoria parentage question if not in the new movie and Laura, The Phoenix, returning for David. I like the whole idea of the Amy and Chris Jennings family connection to the Collinses being explored along with the wherewolf storyline. A request: please give us some scary pumpkin icons.
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Video of the panel someone posted over at IMDB.
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=6b909911.mp4 (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=6b909911.mp4)
Not much new. KLS said she would be "shocked" if there wasn't a trailer by sometime in November. She is also writing a new book, which focuses on the new film and its connections to the original. The restored NoDS will be released 6 months after the film is released in theaters, probably with the release of the new film on DVD.
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Video of the panel someone posted over at IMDB.
Thanks for the link. [hall2_smiley] I'm downloading a copy of the video now...
Not much new.
No surprises? You mean they promised something but didn't quite deliver? But that never happens! ... Um, yeah. [hall2_rolleyes]
KLS said she would be "shocked" if there wasn't a trailer by sometime in November.
It would be nice to think so. [hall2_wink]
She is also writing a new book, which focuses on the new film and its connections to the original.
That's certainly anything but a surprise. And it would be very interesting if both she and Mark Salisbury do books.
The restored NoDS will be released 6 months after the film is released in theaters, probably with the release of the new film on DVD.
That pretty much confirms the speculation that the release of NoDS would coincide with the release of the Depp/DS film on DVD/Blu-ray.
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No problem!
And here are the links to the rest of the videos, since this poster has her album set to private.
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=3c1f85b4.mp4 (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=3c1f85b4.mp4)
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=e04d4448.mp4 (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=e04d4448.mp4)
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=9724f045.mp4 (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=9724f045.mp4)
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=f3d9f8a7.mp4 (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/?action=view¤t=f3d9f8a7.mp4)
And you basically summed up all of my thoughts. The highlight of the footage was when the actresses brought up Eva Green talking about Angelique "as if it was HER role!" [hall2_cheesy]
I hope that someone will watch the Larry King interview and tell us all about his remarks on Dark Shadows, maybe even tape it and upload it to the net.
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I edited the URLs so that people can now access the videos. [hall2_wink]
And thanks for the links to all of those as well. [hall2_smiley]
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Thanks, MB! I forgot to check to make sure they worked. [BOO]
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A few comments now that I've watched the videos:
Me thinks KLS needs to look at the '67 cast photo again because Joel Crothers isn't standing behind her. Sadly, he doesn't even appear in any of the versions. [hall2_sad]
On the other hand, it's very nice to hear that the book KLS is writing will include several candid, behind the scenes pictures that were taken by the original actors while they were in London on the set.
And Angelique in the film IS Eva Green's role. [hall2_wink] And to that sort of fact it was good to hear KLS acknowledge that Josette in the film is Bella Heathcote's role and with the understanding that she will bring her own interpretation to it and that KLS has let go. Now, if only the fans who've clung religiously to the original show can only be able to realize that they need to open themselves up to seeing something new. Being open to something new is in no way an affront to the original show and the original cast.
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i'm still confused as to why NODS is being restored and released before HODS.
especially if it's somehow tied into the release of the film as NODS has absolutely nothing to do with barnabas or anything else happening in the film. NODS has it's charms but with the exception of a character named "quentin" and a house called "collinwood" it could almost be any early 1970's gothic horror film.
it in no way ties into series cannon which it seems like the film is trying to do. anyone who sees the film and then gets a movie populated by characters named "claire" and "tracy"(read:no barnabas)is going to be very confused.
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and you just KNEW that KLS would do a book tied into the film's production.
she'll definitely have something new to hawk at next year's festival. i'm certainly looking forward to it.
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Unless things have changed, both hoDS and NoDS are coming out on DVD/Blu-ray at the same time. There was even talk by Warner Brothers of them being released in the same packaging, meaning you'd have to by both - they wouldn't be sold separately. But that was back when it was still iffy whether NoDS would be restored, so who knows if it's still the case?
As for all three films coming out at the same time, I suppose it makes sense to Warner Brothers to market all the releases at the same time.
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thanks...
i didn't realize HODS was part of the package.
i own NODS on vhs but have only seen HODS once on t.v. a long time ago. whenever they show it at the festival it's always too late so i look forward to getting it.
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I think NoDS just gets most of the attention, as it is the one that is getting the most work. I'm anxious for both, but especially NoDS. I really want to see the difference.
And, I found it interesting that KLS stated that the new film was completely different from the first two. Naturally it is different from NoDS, but you'd think that it would have a lot in common with HoDS. I mean it's not going to be a remake like the 1991 show, but it will have common threads.
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I expect there will be very little in common with HODS, which developed almost no characters other than Barnabas (indeed, it relied primarily on cardboard cutouts from the tv series and a load of cameos), told almost nothing about his past, and then catapaulted the story into a gorey death fest with almost no one alive at the end. The new film promises to bring many developed characters, context, details, and a very different plot to set it far apart from HODS I think. As for NODS, at least it does have the character of Angelique to connect it to the new film.
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Ha! Well, if you look at HoDS like that, then I would hope that it has little in common with the new Depp film. My approach to HoDS has always been slightly more forgiving, I guess. But, I mean, we can assume that there are a lot of plot parallels: Barnabas is released from his coffin (as per the summary), he is being "treated" by Dr. Hoffman (as per the interview with HBC), and he finds the someone who looks very much like his Josette (as per the comments from SGS). I always viewed HoDS as a simple summary of the 1967-Barnabas storyline, and a decent one at that. It has all the (bare-bones) essential plot elements of the Barnabas story of Dark Shadows. I imagine the new film will be more of a 1966-1967 Dark Shadows summary, with more of a focus on the family - and I hope that it does justice to the characters of Elizabeth and Roger, the two most important characters who were tossed under the bus when the vampire came into town, as is evidenced in HoDS.
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I'm hoping the Depp/DS film has very little in common with hoDS beyond what you've laid out. Hopefully those are the only similarities. And even from what little we have learned, they would seem to be. As tragic bat said, the Depp/DS film promises to bring many developed characters, context, and details - all which are things hoDS (at least the final edit of it) most definitely did not do. [hall2_angry]
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TrevorDMoretz trevor duke moretz
I wonder inf #darkshadows will be at #screamawards next year? Chloe has some cool material in it that is def worthy
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stiofandafyyd steveD
@TrevorDMoretz That would be rad! If there's any justice at all , #DarkShadows and Chloë should be there again :)
20 hours ago
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The JOHNNYDEPPZONE Web site has a full transcript of the Larry King interview on page 5 of this topic: Johnny on Larry King, Oct 16 on CNN (Show discussion starts on p.4) (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52578&start=60)
(Scroll down to the 8th post: Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:15 am)
However, here's what was about DS:
KING: You just did "Dark Shadows," right?
DEPP: Just finished.
KING: Finished. That was a soap opera about a vampire.
DEPP: Yes.
KING: What attracted you to that?
DEPP: Well, I had watched it as a kid, you know. Religiously. I remember sprinting home from school to see it. Didn't want to miss, like, a minute of it. Ironically, you know, Tim had gone through the same experience. You know running home from school. And then back when we were doing Sweeney, we were doing "Sweeney Todd" a couple of years ago, it -- one day we're just sitting there talking, and I said, you know, we should do a vampire movie sometime.
Let's do a vampire movie. It was before all the "Twilights" and all that, you know, stuff. And yes, that's a good idea. I went, oh, "Dark Shadows," man. And so we got on the "Dark Shadows" tangent. And then one thing led to another.
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Thanks for posting that, MB. It's an interesting tidbit, but it would have been great to hear more questions about it. Oh well, I mean it was only like an hour long... How could there possibly have been time for more questions about Dark Shadows? [hall2_rolleyes]
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The scope of the interview was controlled by King, and apparently he's not a big DS fan because he quickly changed the subject. [hall2_rolleyes]
I didn't actually read the entire transcript (I just scanned it for DS), but I did read comments in the topic from people complaining that there wasn't even much discussion about The Rum Diary - and one would think that was the main thing Depp would have wanted to have been promoting.
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strange that the mrs.johnson casting is not listed since the actress/character was in the "official" cast photograph in EW.
Someone must have heard you because I just noticed that she's listed now. And more uncredited actors/roles have also been added:
Shonn Gregory ... Worker (uncredited)
David Lyddon ... Workman (uncredited)
Some may recall Lyddon's name from this tweet:
DavidLyddon
Day 2 of Great Expectations and then more Dark Shadows:) nice.
29 minutes ago
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transcript of the Larry King interview
They also showed a short clip of JF, when he first arrived at Collinwood. It is when he walks by the portrait, and you see the comparison.
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lots of "workers" and "workmen" in the film but i guess the spoilers hinted as to why.
as pleased as i am to hear how well "developed" and "fleshed out" the large cast of characters will be here i'm still wondering how developed given the perimeters of a two hour film that will focus largely on barnabas.
definitely not the cameo type of appearances we got in HODS but still. [hall_undecided]
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They also showed a short clip of JF, when he first arrived at Collinwood. It is when he walks by the portrait, and you see the comparison.
Before the bit from the original series they showed the picture we've already seen with all of the cast from the movie.
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Of course it remains to be seen how much focus will be shared among the characters, but at least it sounds like they all have story-lines and backgrounds (and perhaps ones very different from the original show, so not exactly a summary), unlike in HODS.
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More comments from Chloe Moretz:
A hit girl indeed, Chloe Grace Moretz has big roles ahead (http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/8272909-421/a-hit-girl-indeed-chloe-grace-moretz-has-big-roles-ahead.html)
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I am totally digging Chloe. I think she is a cool gal. And I think it's awesome that Burton told her to bring him ideas. He seems like a real actors director.
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Sizing up the movie: http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/dark-shadows-movie-what-we-know/
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In case anyone missed the Depp interview by Larry King and wanted to watch it, CNN always repeats the Sunday CNN Presents the following Saturday. So, this Saturday, Oct. 22, it will be on again at 8 p.m. (Eastern), repeating at 11 p.m. and 2 a.m.,
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Yet more comments from Chloe Moretz:
EXCLUSIVE! Robert Pattinson vs. Johnny Depp: Who's the Hotter Vampire? (http://www.eonline.com/news/marc_malkin/robert_pattinson_vs_johnny_depp_whos/270236?cmpid=sn-000000-twitterfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_topstories&dlvrit=48939)
‘Dark Shadows’ Is Vintage Johnny Depp & Tim Burton, Says Chloe Moretz (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/10/19/dark-shadows-johnny-depp-tim-burton-chloe-moretz/)
Very glad to read that she thinks Depp's Barnabas is "tortured and deep" because that's exactly what Barn should be.
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I personally love this girl more and more! I can't wait...thanks MB!
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i had never even heard of moretz before this film started production...
but she certainly is getting ALOT of ink. i mean carolyn is a supporting character, not one of the "leads", yet she's getting much more publicity than anyone besides depp. is her agent just a total spinmiester?
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I've started checking in on this thread, the new posts, since this seems to be where the action is (on ABC) in the forum. Some people seem just to post here, and not elsewhere. I can't generate any thoughts though, except that I would think that if there's so much discussion ahead of time, everyone can't help but be disappointed. We're talking about something that's only a couple of hours long. After a couple years of speculation, can anything be good enough after all that scrutiny?
I'll try to see what's going on here, since I feel sort of left out. I don't expect to have contributions though. This is a sort of token post I guess, to register my presence...
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i had never even heard of moretz before this film started production...
but she certainly is getting ALOT of ink. i mean carolyn is a supporting character, not one of the "leads", yet she's getting much more publicity than anyone besides depp. is her agent just a total spinmiester?
LOL, she probably does have a great agent. [hall2_grin] But Chloe Moretz has actually been getting a lot of buzz since before DS began. She was a breakout star of sorts in the film, Kick Ass, and everyone considered her the highlight of that movie. Then she was the female lead in Let Me In, which was the American version of the Swedish film, Let The Right One In, where she played... (drum roll)... a vampire. I'm not familiar with anything else she's been in, but to have had two high profile roles like that at such a young age is pretty impressive, and these roles aren't the typical teen idol garbage that child/teen actors often get. I think that she will be an asset to DS in that she will bring a good younger audience.
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As madscntst said, Chloe Moretz has already had two high profile roles that have gotten her a lot of attention, so much so that she's become one of the most sought after young actresses in the industry. She currently has two films in release, she has three films in post-production (including Martin Scorsese's Hugo, which is expected to be huge this coming November), she's currently shooting a film, she has two more in pre-production, and about three or four more that are in various stages of development. She's not currently ranked at #52 (which incidentally does put her second only to Depp so far as the DS cast is concerned) on IMDb simply because of a good agent. And she's been getting a lot of press lately because she's either doing it to promote her current films or accepting an award for her past film Let Me In. The girl is pretty much on fire at the moment. And as madscntst also said, her profile will in all probability be an asset to DS. And her talent isn't likely to hurt the film either. [hall2_wink]
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This article isn't actually about DS, but it does address Depp's ability to inhabit characters and to never play himself, which is a talent that should prove very interesting when it comes to how Depp will interpret Barnabas:
HOLLYWOOD CHAMELEON: The Many Faces Of Johnny Depp (http://www.businessinsider.com/johnny-depp-the-rum-diary-lone-ranger-2011-10)
And BTW, I keep forgetting to mention that Depp's Entertainment Tonight interview finally aired Wednesday night without any advanced notice. And there wasn't any mention of DS.
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sometimes i sort of think i've got this thing figured out...
then we get some new piece of information, photograph or i'm reminded of something.
i had sort of forgotten about the pictures we saw a few months ago of bella as vicki escaping from some very ominous looking structure. but what is it???
windliff? angelique's place? the old house? there's no precedent in previous tellings of vicki engaged in this type of escape. i can't place it in my perceived overview of the film's plot.
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I personally have wondered what the big house that Victoria (sorry I can't stand Vicki, as the original Barnabas said it's such a beautiful name why reduce it to that) and then later he started calling her that which for me what totally out of his character. I don't recall 1991 Barnabas ever calling her Vicki, I could be wrong though. Back to point...I too have wondered what this place is. Is the Old House even in the new movie. I used to be a SPOILER addict but I reformed in 2004. I want to read them badly but I think spoilers (for me) ruin the experience. However, I mind a synopsis!
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I don't think it was the Old House. (I don't even think we will have one in the film. If we do, it probably won't be very prominent.) It must have either been Windcliff (we know it's in the movie as per the cast credits) or a double for Collinwood.
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I don't think this has been posted. DS is set for IMAX! Here is the link:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/warner-bros-sets-three-more-2012-movies-in-imax-wrath-jack-gravity/
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IMDB shows an extensive list of characters. I hadn't been there for awhile and was pleasently surprised to see a cannery employee listed. Also listed are pages of technical staff, etc. listed. I'm looking forward to getting some hint about the music score. Hopefully we'll get some of Robert Cobert's music included in that score. Things I would like to see: Josette's music box, a traveling 'afghan', an Inverness Cape for Roger, the cannery office, the breakfast room, a stained glass window for David's bedroom, a rose-covered cottage on the estate, and a garden with statuary, wrought iron furniture. [hall_wink]
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Did I read this correctly? Pee-Wee Herman wants to remake Dark Shadows after Depp's movie?
http://collider.com/pee-wee-sean-bean-james-wan-scream-awards-interviews/121887/
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Sizing up the movie
I finally got the chance to read all of this. Very interesting. Thanks for the link, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
It really should be fascinating to see where Bella Heatchcote's career is by the time the film opens. It does seem like she has only a small part in In Time, but I haven't seen the film or even read any reviews yet, so I don't really know. But supposedly she has a big profile in Cogan's Trade (there were already those completely unsubstantiated tabloid rumors that she had an affair with Brad Pitt while shooting) so she may get a lot of press for it. If so, she'll be much more well known than she currently is.
Love the summation that DS is The Royal Tenenbaums plus Bram Stoker's Dracula plus bell bottoms. [hall2_wink]
I also love the official stills we've seen so far. They have me champing at the bit to see more! [62b2]
And if Twitter is any indication, teens and twentysomethings are already ordering/streaming DS from both Netflix and a Web site called GetGlue.
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DS is set for IMAX!
That was mentioned a couple of years ago when WB was still saying DS would be shot in 3D. I wondered if it fell by the wayside along with the idea of 3D (which I wasn't at all upset to see fall by the wayside). But apparently it hasn't. And that's good news as I would love to see the film in IMAX.
Thanks for the link, Taeylor. [hall2_smiley]
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Did I read this correctly? Pee-Wee Herman wants to remake Dark Shadows after Depp's movie?
For some reason it took forever to get the video to play. But it strikes me as if he was just joking - particularly when his remarks about DS are in reply to the interviewer saying he would have loved to have seen him be in Burton's DS. But even if Pee Wee would like to do his own version, there's one big obstacle in the way: Depp holds the rights to DS. So, neither Pee Wee nor anyone else would be able to do a DS film as long as that's the case. And who knows when Depp's rights expire? If there really is hope of doing a DS franchise, the rights can't expire anytime soon.
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Did I read this correctly? Pee-Wee Herman wants to remake Dark Shadows after Depp's movie?
For some reason it took forever to get the video to play. But it strikes me as if he was just joking - particularly when his remarks about DS are in reply to the interviewer saying he would have loved to have seen him be in Burton's DS. But even if Pee Wee would like to do his own version, there's one big obstacle in the way: Depp holds the rights to DS. So, neither Pee Wee nor anyone else would be able to do a DS film as long as that's the case. And who knows when Depp's rights expire? If there really is hope of doing a DS franchise, the rights can't expire anytime soon.
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I agree- I'm sure he was just joking. Remember that Pee-Wee and Tim *do* go way back, and Paul Reubens (the real Pee-Wee) was also in Blow with Johnny, so they're all friends. I would actually love to see them all work together again sometime!
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Thank goodness. No doubt that DS is very hot these days. I see they added JP as a consultant at the DS imdb but that may have been there for a while and it was a given in any event.
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Over at IMDB, there is discussion in regards to a remark Elfman made at a panel about not including the original score (for now). I find it odd, especially after being repeatedly told countless times that it would be in it.
Here is a snippet of the original post:
A fan asked Danny if the original score would be in Tim's version. Danny's answer was no for the simple fact he believes Elfman (I think he meant Burton) wants to make his imagining of Dark Shadows his own. Elfman said that for Batman and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Burton was pretty adamant about making the music original.
I find it odd that not everyone is on the same page about this. You'd think Burton would have discussed this with him. This film looks so much like the original (J. Depp, HBC) that I find it pretty hard to believe that Tim isn't paying tremendous homage to the original. And we all know the music is one of the biggest parts of the original show. I do hope that Elfman gets on the same page as Pierson and KLS...
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Maybe Pee Wee could play Harry Johnson (Hairy Johnson? lol, makes me think of Dank Shadows) in the DS sequel.
G.
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More video of KLS talking about the book she's writing about the film:
HermesPress Hermes Press
Video: This is the first highlight from our Dark Shadows panel at NYCC, with Kathryn Leigh Scott and (via Skype) Lara Parker! http://tumblr.com/Z26utxB1eSez
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Sounds good. I wonder whether Ben Martin tagged along as well?
It's kind of ironic that Barnabas first came to the Great House as a "cousin from England," and now KLS is writing a book about the new film whose first chapter, "Journey back to Collinwood," describes a trip TO England.
If only they had all gone to Cadogan Square and had a photo op there. If I had been there, I would definitely have suggested it!
G.
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Yes indeed. He's been a consultant from the start.
Nancy
I see they added JP as a consultant at the DS imdb but that may have been there for a while and it was a given in any event.
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Jim Pierson's listing as a consultant on IMDb is fairly recent - but so far as us knowing he filled that position, we've known since this message was posted on the MPI's Web site back in '08:
this is from the article "Johnny Depp to Portray the Angst-Ridden Vampire Barnabas Collins?" at http://mpimedia.com/wp/?p=19 --
Producer Jim Pierson of Dan Curtis Productions and MPI Media Group will serve as a consultant on the project.
Though the message has long disappeared since then...
As for Bob Cobert's music being used or being adapted for the film, I could be forgetting a remark, but I only recall Pierson and places like ShadowGram saying that the main theme would appear in some form, not that any other Cobert compositions would be used. So in that sense it would seem that it hasn't been the intention to use Cobert's score but simply to adapt one piece of his music.
And as for the mansion at Beckenham Place Park, circumstantial evidence points more to its possible use as Windcliff. We know there's a Windcliff doctor in the cast of characters, so Windcliff figures into the story in some way. We've seen a video of an ambulance rehearsing its drive up to the building. And we've been told that a padded room set was constructed inside the building. Not that ambulances and padded rooms can't appear in some other location - but a place like Windcliff would appear to be more likely.
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I just saw a promo on CBS that Depp will be on Letterman this week, so I checked my DVR's schedule and he's supposedly on Friday. Not that he's ever mentioned DS on any of his previous appearances. And this one will mainly be to promote The Rum Diary. But you never know...
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Regarding Letterman, according to the official NBC site, Johnny will be on this Thursday, not Friday:
http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/show_info/this_weeks_guests.php (http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/show_info/this_weeks_guests.php)
Johnny is also scheduled to appear at Columbia University tonight for a Rum Diary screening and Q&A. He's done a couple of these so far at college campuses, and as far as I know there's been no DS content (I would've posted if I'd heard something), so tonight would probably be the same but you never know. He may have a couple more of these coming up, and I'm still hoping for a Rolling Stone interview, though I haven't heard of one yet.
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Thursday makes a lot more sense (which is why I said supposedly on Friday) because people tend to appear before their films open. [hall2_wink] (But then I wondered if perhaps Depp wasn't able to appear until Friday for some reason.) So, thanks for posting the correction. [hall2_smiley]
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As for Bob Cobert's music being used or being adapted for the film, I could be forgetting a remark, but I only recall Pierson and places like ShadowGram saying that the main theme would appear in some form, not that any other Cobert compositions would be used. So in that sense it would seem that it hasn't been the intention to use Cobert's score but simply to adapt one piece of his music.
That is a way of looking at it, but when I read it, it made it sound like it was all going to be new. Mind you, I have no problem with new atmospheric music, but I view the main theme (and a couple others) as essential. So, let's hope that he just forgot to include the part about the main theme being used. (Still, you'd think he would have mentioned it, as Pierson, Scott, and ShadowGram all have.) And let's hope he changes his mind about using some of that other wonderful score. [hall_grin]
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This story got cut off (do to cell phone memory limitations) in the other videos:
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yes i'm trying not to get too caught up in the "it's nots" but it would be disappointing if the main theme(and a few other key musical cues)were not used. [hall_sad]
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Weird: just read Alice Cooper shows up in the DARK SHADOWS movie solely to do a cover of "Addams Family Groove."
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Wonder where they read that?
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This article comes right out and says the main theme may not be used in the film:
Danny Elfman on Whether the ‘Dark Shadows' TV Theme Will Be in Tim Burton's Movie (http://www.fearnet.com/news/b24317_danny_elfman_on_whether_lsquodark.html)
But apparently the decision is up to Burton. And the article does conclude with: "Having said that," Elfman laughed, "who knows? You may just hear a theramin!"
So, it seems like only time will tell...
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This is most disturbing. I just hope that everyone in the original DS realm is right, and they have heard the decision right from the mouth of Burton. I was hoping for more than just the 30 second theme at the beginning, but it seems, now, as if we may have to pray just for that 30 seconds! I certainly hope Burton decides to maintain the original DS theme - and actually incorporate other compositions from the library... But, as you said, only time will tell.
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If it's like other big budget feature remakes of old TV shows, you're liikely to hear a riff on the classic theme over the closing credits.
I've already given my opinion of Elfman's work in other posts, so I won't comment further.
The post about Alice Cooper doing some Addams Family thing is a hoot. I definitely get an Addams Family vibe from that big pub photo of the cast...
Folks, it's Tim Burton, so until you get to see the movie--all bets are off!
G.
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Have things changed since ShadowGram reported that the original music will be incorporated into the movie? If TB is truly a fan of DS how can he not use the iconic theme?
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Just for the fun of it, I went back to see what ShadowGram has said on the subject and what sort of phrasing they've used.
First it was announced as "will most certainly":
From November 6th's Update 227:SG PREMIERE-ANNOUNCES:
DS composer "Bob Cobert's original theme will most certainly be integrated into the musical score of the new movie, though the retired composer will not be directly involved."
But then it was downgraded somewhat to "will likely":
From February 28th's Update 234:Robert Cobert's original theme will likely be integrated into the production also."
Then it was downgraded further by saying it "may" be used:
From May 14th's Update 239:((SG previously announced Robert Cobert's original DS Theme or other musical elements may be incorporated into the movie score))
(And that one also mentioned that other musical elements could possibly be incorporated - probably not a smart move in retrospect given Elfman's most recent comments.)
But then it was once again said that it "will" be used:
From July 23rd's Update 243:SG previously reported Danny Elfman is scoring the movie and Robert Cobert's classic "Dark Shadows Theme" would possibly be incorporated. SG now updates that Bob's memorable Theme will be part of the soundtrack.
And the status hasn't been mentioned since. However, it would certainly seem that things have indeed changed since then. And, of course, it's also possible that SG's source shouldn't necessarily have been as certain as they were when they passed along the info...
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I believe (and hope) that Elfman hasn't even begun to discuss this with Burton. He's probably been working on his own music, as Burton wants, and they haven't gotten around to discussing the overall musical picture - which would probably include, at least, the main theme. I can't imagine a director making a character look so much like the original, including an obscure character, including 4 members of the original cast, and recreating an original photograph, and then ditching one of the most important elements of the show. From what we have seen so far, it looks like Burton is trying to make his own vision of Dark Shadows, while maintaining strong connections to the original vision (on a surface level).
Of course, a lot of this could go back to Depp. Depp could have decided how he wanted Barnabas to look, etc. If Depp doesn't provide input on the music, it may very well just be up to Burton's discretion. But, let's hope that Burton decides to keep this consistent flow of original homages throughout.
Plus, if it has become common knowledge (spread by, at least, three very influential people in the Dark Shadows community) that the theme would be used, you would have to assume that this generated from someone with a big say in the matter. Like I said, it doesn't look as if Elfman has discussed this very much with Burton. And, perhaps, that is why we have these conflicting reports. Just speculation on my part, and hopeful speculation at that.
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I would suspect that the people who've mentioned that the theme will be used have gotten that info through Jim Pierson.
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Probably. But where did Jim Pierson get this info from? [skull_winks]
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That's the 64 million dollar question! Hopefully not from the same sources as the other info he's teased in Fest flyers or promised to share at Fests but which has never panned out...
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MB thanks for the ShadowGram research. I didn't realize its position had changed several times.
Alice Cooper reveals his role in the DS movie. Spoiler alert I guess-nothing too shocking imo http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/10/25/alice-cooper-haunts-universal-studios-and-dark-shadows/
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Interesting. Thanks for that link, Jimbo.
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Very interesting - thanks so much for the link to the article, jimbo. [hall2_smiley] It confirms some of the things we've suspected (Cooper's cameo takes place during the masquerade ball) as well as adding details (Barnabas hires him (no doubt because he's become close with Carolyn)). The article would also seem to give another clue that there may not be an Old House in the film because we've been lead to believe the ball supposedly takes place at Collinwood and the article says Cooper is hired to play at Barnabas' home.
Also, now I'm really wondering where brittonlowe/Chris L read Cooper performs "Addams Family Groove" in the film when this article says he performs “No More Mr. Nice Guy”. [hall2_undecided]
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perhaps instead of fixing up the old house as on the original series here barnabas fixes up collinwood and throws the costume party to fete it's restoration. it would be nice to see the place fixed up from the woeful condition of some of the pictures we've seen.
the cooper cameo is however a bit "campier" than i'm comfortable with. it's too literal. not subtle and sort of credence to some of the "funny" assessments we've gotten from those involved.
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Late checking Twitter today:
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A very interesting article about Graham King, whose GK Films is one of the production companies involved with the Depp/DS film:
It's good to be King: Scorsese, Depp & Jolie highlight GK Films slate (http://www.filmjournal.com/filmjournal/content_display/news-and-features/features/movies/e3i5a1aae932afbe5fbd4f4e6bf0a81e6da)
Just based on his track record alone DS could be an international smash. [hall2_wink]
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Well, what do you know - the first thing Depp talked about on Letterman was that he made DS over the summer and it's "something like" a vampire movie. And that's all he said about it (but then, that's all Letterman asked about it). But that's a start. [hall2_wink]
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I was hoping for a little more too, but hey, it was mentioned and hopefully will be in people's minds for next year. And Lone Ranger and Dr. Seuss weren't mentioned at all!
Overall, the interview had me in stitches. Johnny usually does pretty well on Letterman because I think their senses of humor jive somewhat. And hey, (reference to Dave's Top Ten List) if I can order Pirates of the Caribbean from Netflix and have Johnny deliver the DVD to me personally, I'll be glad to remain a loyal customer [hall2_grin]
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And Lone Ranger and Dr. Seuss weren't mentioned at all!
True - and they've been overshadowing DS in a lot of interviews lately, so it was about time DS got mentioned and not either of those. [hall2_wink]
Overall, the interview had me in stitches. Johnny usually does pretty well on Letterman because I think their senses of humor jive somewhat.
Yes, it was quite funny. Loved the Hairy Black Tongue story! [hall2_grin]
And hey, (reference to Dave's Top Ten List) if I can order Pirates of the Caribbean from Netflix and have Johnny deliver the DVD to me personally, I'll be glad to remain a loyal customer [hall2_grin]
If they did that, I bet they'd gain a hell of lot more than the 800,000 subscribers that left! [hall2_wink]
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And hey, (reference to Dave's Top Ten List) if I can order Pirates of the Caribbean from Netflix and have Johnny deliver the DVD to me personally, I'll be glad to remain a loyal customer [hall2_grin]
Me too! What an excellent idea!
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A few things:
The new issue of Entertainment Weekly has an article written by Anthony Breznican about Seth Grahame-Smith and his producing team partner David Katzenberg. We'll all recall that Breznican famously tweeted that in the actual film Depp's Barnabas doesn't look like the paparazzi photos, then premiered that cast photo on EW's Web site, and also wrote the companion article for the print issue. So, it's probably no surprise that the fact that Grahame-Smith co-wrote the screenplay for DS is mentioned in the Grahame-Smith/Katzenberg piece. Though unfortunately, that's the only reference to DS. But then, the article is really about what they have coming up, not what they've done in the past. (Though the fact that Grahame-Smith is referred to as having co-written the screenplay is also another indication that the people who've said John August was fired and his contributions to the film have been thrown out have no idea what they're talking about.)
It's really interesting how many people are still just learning about the DS film. Quite a few people on Twitter are tweeting about how Depp mentioned on last night's Letterman that he did DS over the summer as if it's breaking news. Though I suppose it is breaking news to anyone who hasn't heard about it. And it's never a bad thing for more people to become aware of the film. Which just goes to show how valuable appearances on these talk shows can really be when it comes to getting the word out about films.
And speaking of Twitter, literally hundreds of people have been tweeting over the past two days about Alice Cooper's remarks about doing DS. Actually, even more so today than yesterday because a lot of other sites have picked up his remarks and are sharing them. And ever since first reading his remarks I've been thinking about how his appearance in the film could actually be used to an interesting advantage. I can certainly see where one might fear that his participation could come off as campy and funny. And who knows, it may turn out that way. But I can see a way that it could be anything but - and that could be if Cooper's performance of "No More Mr. Nice Guy" is intercut with, well, Barnabas acting out violently against some character or characters, as in attacking them for whatever reason. Several Web sites are questioning why Cooper is performing that particular song and not one of his that's more horror themed. Well, perhaps if the plan really is to do some sort of intercuting sequence between his performance and some other action in the film, the title of the song itself could be the answer. But I suppose we'll see...
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Johnny Depp and Ricky Gervais' Square Off (http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/239292/20111028/johnny-depp-ricky-gervais-warwick-davis-dark.htm)
I've seen the parts of this clip about the Golden Globes, but I had no idea that there's references to the DS film too. Here's the whole video: Johnny Depp gives Ricky Gervais a piece of his mind (Life's Too Short) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Qx5fDTPdE1A). Love it! [hall2_grin]
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Nice to see that Depp had time to amuse himself with this sort of thing while he was in London.
I don't know the show, but the punchline of this skit almost made me laugh out loud.
Cathy, does Depp smoke in real life? I turn to you as the ultimate authority.
G.
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Yes, Johnny had a history of being a terrible chain smoker back in the day. When his kids were young, he started talking about trying to quit for their sake. Then around the time of Public Enemies, he claimed to have quit altogether. And true, we didn't see any photos of him smoking at that time, even in paparazzi shots. But more recently, he started again, and I suspect that filming The Tourist may have been a temptation to start again (his character is smoking electronic cigarettes through most of the film, but at the end he switches to real ones), though I don't know if that's what actually did it or not. Coincidentally, he just played a concert in Austin last weekend, and a friend of mine got to go. One of the questions I asked (as I noticed photos of him with a cigarette) if he smoked much during the 1.5 hr+ show, and she said no, just one. No offense to any smokers here, but I am a cancer researcher, so naturally, I'm biased toward hoping he's trying to go light on the cigs [hall2_grin]
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Thanks, Cathy. I am very disappointed to see 20something hipsters here in Cambridge MA so fervently embracing nicotine addiction... given that my beloved Grayson Hall died a cruel, nasty death as a result of lung cancer, my prayer for any and all smokers who wish to stop is that they can get off the damn coffin nails... sigh..
And I hate to say it, but whenever someone as cool as Johnny Depp smokes on TV, that gives the nasty habit a little bit more cachet and glamour.
Just my two drachmae.
G.
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And let's not forget that there may be smoking in the Depp/DS film. Well, at least smoking of a different kind:
kr_shhh
Today for work I had to find herbal green tobacco that we can pretend is marijuana on film! Movie magic.
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Though, of course, just because we'll supposedly see what appears to be marijuana, that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone smokes it on screen...
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Gothick, that is so true what you say about the "glamour" factor in smoking. But for better or worse, for a Johnny fan like me, it's part of the package. And I'm always torn- I hate seeing him smoke, and was sad to learn that he had started up again, but darn it all, it does make him look sexy! [hall2_embarrassed]
Thanks for the reminder about the "funny" tobacco, MB. Hmm, I may be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure if they show characters imbibing in that, it might give the film an R rating. So I guess it would have to depend on the rating they're shooting for. Personally, I don't mind an R rating at all, but I must admit that a PG-13 would probably result in a better box office.
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I'm torn between wanting an R and a PG-13, too. I'd love for the film to have the sort of mayhem that an R allows, but like you say, PG-13 allows for bigger box office numbers. It's definitely going to be interesting to see how the rating plays out...
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Actually, the MPAA makes a distinction in its rating system in terms of drugs.
PG-13: "Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating."
R: "An R-rated motion picture may include adult themes, adult activity, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse or other elements."
So PG-13 films can have drug use, just not drug abuse.
Not that that isn't subjective at all...
Personally, I am hoping for a PG-13 rating. It will allow for a wider audience, and maybe an alternative to those teen vampire films for young movie-goers.
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Okay, thanks for the clarification, Cousin. I thought that the combination of drug use and it being an illegal substance (assuming it's not for medicinal purposes) might make it R. I guess I'm too strict, LOL.
Funny, I was just watching a History channel show about vampires (I've seen it before so it's probably been repeated a zillion times, but it was fun to have on on a snowy (???) fall afternoon. It mentioned DS as being instrumental in making the vampire more sympathetic to the audience. Anyway, it got me thinking about the current Twilight fad, and as Johnny said recently, "Nobody looks like a vampire, man!" So in a way you're right, Cousin, that a PG-13 rating might make teens see it and realize there's more to vampires than sparkly young hunks. I do lean slightly toward a grittier R rating, though. I'm bad [hall2_grin]
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Hahaha, madscntst! First you're too strict and then you're bad! What is this world coming to? [8_1_209]
To be fair, I believe older MPAA policies had a much harsher approach to drug use, although there are plenty of examples of drugs in PG-13 films throughout the film industry's history.
I was kind of hoping that we would be able to show the tweenagers that there are still real vampires out there - and Depp is the perfect candidate for that job. ha! And if we want a DS saga, we'd probably be better off having a PG-13 rating. But we will have to see.
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I can easily see a PG-13 theatrical release and an unrated Director's Cut DVD/Blu-ray release. That could cover both options if Burton would prefer to aim for more than a PG-13 but Warner Brothers would prefer a PG-13.
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I am all for an R-rated DS movie. The Twilight movies were/are rated PG-13. If DS wants to be considered a serious horror movie then it has to be R rated imo. Now if Barnabas doesn't kill anyone and it's just a funny oriented movie then it wil be rated PG-13.
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Hope this isn't redundant but I didn't see this specific Collinwood chandelier description before from an 10-27-11 article from blastr.com "Collinwood's interior sets are decorated with marine-themed details including magical mer-people sculptures and a lavish chandelier bedecked with crystal squid tentacles."
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Glamour November http://t.co/FJeD3h8J
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DS is mentioned - but only to say that she's appearing alongside Depp. But still, as we learned with Letterman, any mention of DS is good.
And speaking of magazine appearances, I keep forgetting to mention that I saw on one of the entertainment shows last week that Depp has a cover story in the latest issue of GQ. I have no idea if DS is mentioned.
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what the heck color is heathcote's hair, anyways?
in this picture it looks dark brown(with bangs)which would have been perfect for victoria. yet in several of the DS film shots it looks almost blond(to play up a resemblance to pfieffer, perhaps?). then there was that night shoot where it looked bright red. [hall_huh]
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It does seem odd that we've seen her hair both red and blonde for the film. And I've seen people theorize that the red hair is for Josette - but that would seem unlikely given that what she's wearing in those photos seems modern - not to mention they didn't have motorized ambulances (which we saw in a video of rehearsals) in the 18th century. [hall2_wink] But like everything else, I suppose all will be explained in time...
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i've seen several picture of eva green with dark hair...
and of course traditionally both elizabeth and vicki are brunette. yet here burton has chosen, with the exception of julia, to give all of the female characters a similar shade of blond. i wonder why? [hall_huh]
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I just came across some scans of the Empire Magazine article that are much better than the original set I posted a link to. Go to this page (http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50789&start=570) on JOHNNYDEPPZONE and scroll down to the 7th post: Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:15 am.
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I haven't hear anyone mention this before but does anyone know why Alice Cooper is in the new Dark Shadows movie playing himself?? [bat7628]
I don't know how to insert a link here but I saw it on IMDB.Com
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[spoiler]He will be performing at a party given by Barnabas, at Carolyn's request. [/spoiler]
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I am all for an R-rated DS movie. The Twilight movies were/are rated PG-13. If DS wants to be considered a serious horror movie then it has to be R rated imo. Now if Barnabas doesn't kill anyone and it's just a funny oriented movie then it wil be rated PG-13.
Does a horror film have to be R rated in order to be taken seriously? Robert Wise's The Haunting (1963) & the James Whale Frankenstein films from the 1930s would never get an R rating--yet they're brilliant, respected classics.
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David, I definitely agree that it's possible to have a great horror film that is not rated R. They could still imply more than they show, and often that ends up being scarier. That said, between a long-running joke between Johnny and Tim that Tim loves covering Johnny with lots of blood (mentioned in interviews and Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd DVD extras) and the photo that we saw of Johnny/Barnabas' bloody hand, I have a slight suspicion that Tim's thinking is that as long as he's going to make a vampire movie, he may as well go all out. The only reason I wouldn't bet much on that goes back to the bankability factor that we've been discussing. It will be an interesting decision.
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I'm hoping that Tim goes all out. Every time I think it will be an R-rated movie I see comments such as this from Chloe “It’s like Beetle juice - at time it’s kind of freaky and you’re scared but at the same time that you are laughing and you’re like, why am I laughing at this weird moment?" Laughing at a scary moment? Either way it will be an interesting decision. http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/movies/movie-news/Chloe+Moretz-101044.html
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Laughing at a scary moment?
Can you say An American Werewolf In London? That's a perfect example of a film that beautifully balances scary and humor, often in the same scene.
And again, thanks so much for the link. [hall2_smiley]
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I'm almost ashamed to admit that I never saw the entire movie. That movie has always been on my must view list.
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An excellent example! That is a very scary movie but funny in spots as well. I still laugh at times when I watch the film.
Can you say An American Werewolf In London? That's a perfect example of a film that beautifully balances scary and humor, often in the same scene.
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Ok now I have to get the DVD lol
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apart from everything else(like being too overt and campy)one of the main reasons the cooper cameo concerns me is that it has the potential to "take one out of the story" so to speak. to interupt the organic flow of things and announce in a very arresting way that "this is a movie, none of this is real". continuity is compromised for the sake of a laugh.
remember the 'spoiler' thread a while back and the tidbits of plot it alleged? it all sounded pretty deadly serious. none of it sounded "funny". i really wonder what the tone here is?
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Tim had stated before filming that he was having some difficulty in determining what the vibe was going to be. I believe he found the vibe only after filming began. Now what that vibe/tone is any one's guess. Every person in the production who stated that they read the script it all found it to be very funny. The spoilers are another matter. Some of them have proven to be true so you will have to speculate if the others are too.
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Depp's Rum Diary bombs big time. It brought in $5 million against a $45 million budget. Ouch!
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But remember, one shouldn't necessarily judge simply based on the opening numbers - especially when it comes to Depp. Remember what happened with The Tourist:
Box Office Shocker
[hall2_wink]
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Oh do, Jimbo! It is a good flick. [hall2_wink]
Ok now I have to get the DVD lol
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I will Nancy. Thanks. I think I am the last one in this fandom who hasn't seen it yet.
I saw the Rum Diary yesterday. It is defintely not a commercially attractive movie geared for a big box office at least not in the US. No one in the audience seemed to like it. I guess they were expecting a Bourne like movie. It was good to see Johnny showing off his great acting skills.
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The reviews for The Rum Diary have been interesting because it seems that the critics either like it or dislike it with no mixed reviews. (I loved that while Ignatiy Vishnevetsky wrapped up the reviews on this past weekend's edition of Ebert Presents at the Movies, he pointed out that fellow critic Christy Lemire gave TRD a thumbs down "because she doesn't know what she's talking about." [hall2_grin]) And so far as its opening box office goes, most predictions that I saw beforehand were only expecting the film to bring in about 7 million. So, TRD was never expected to open large. It fell short of predictions by a couple million, but then I've been noticing that over the past several months a lot of predictions haven't been being met because these prognosticators seem to be failing to take into consideration that, due to the current economy, many people aren't going to as many movies as they once did.
And sort of following in the same vein and getting back on topic, the big showing for Marvel's The Avengers in ComingSoon.net's most anticipated movie of 2012 poll has me strongly suspecting that the Depp/DS film has little chance to be the top movie its opening weekend because action movies that are highly anticipated like Marvel's The Avengers quite often repeat at the top their second week (well, unless they turn out to be awful). Not that I actually thought DS had much chance of being the top opener. But there was a slight chance IF the demographic that Marvel's The Avengers will appeal to might not be as excited by that film and might be willing to give DS a look in large numbers. But now I'm thinking that short of a miracle that's probably not likely to happen. And actually, I'll be happy with whatever it makes its opening weekend so long as the Depp/DS film eventually makes enough of a profit so that if they really do want to make a sequel, they will. Record breaking or even big box office is always nice - but it's certainly not a necessity for a movie to be a hit.
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MB--are DS and Avengers both scheduled for the same weekend? If that is the case, then the studio may indeed wind up rescheduling DS for sometime in the autumn, as I had originally predicted.
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Re: The Rum Diary could possibly make a profit after the international receipts and DVD sales are in.
Gothick The Avengers opens on May 4th so it will start clashing with DS in its second week. I don't think they will move the DS projected date. I am opening WB will have a trailer or at least a teaser when the new Twilight opens this month since they are both WB releases.
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You aren't, believe me. I know lots of fans who haven't seen it and will not see it. Plenty of DS fans are not horror movie fans.
I think I am the last one in this fandom who hasn't seen it yet.
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I'm not into the American Werewolf in London films (weren't there two or three of them?) and have never seen them. On the other hand, I have seen The Howling, which I thought was an evocative and well-done take on lycanthropy, and the Howling II, which is sheer kitschy FUN--the movie stars Christopher Lee (at one point seen wearing Eighties New Wave vizor sunglasses) and the breasts of Sybil Danning. The "werewolf three-way" with Sybil as Stirba, Queen of the Werewolves, her Wolfy High Priest, and a very hot female wolfina played by gorgeous Marsha Hunt, has to be seen to be believed.
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One thing that really helps me to be confident this will be good is the fact that according to several sources and KLS. Michelle and Helena and probably other stars would watch episodes in the makeup room during the morning. And KLS said they were totally addicted. I mean I was totally against Helena playing Julia just because I was tired of her in everything. However, if she was the one who wanted to pay homage to Grayson well she got it right. And I mean right down to the same nail polish my beloved Grayson always wore. And she is made up just like Grayson.
I also want to point out that my cousin who I got hooked on the 1991 show said she was very relived they didn't try to modernize it. I think that was a great great decision. As much as I love DS 1991. I am pretty sure in 1991 they could totally have found out B was lying. And I am CERTAIN in 2012 they would definitely be able to confirm the cousin from England cover story is total bull....
In closing,we know that we have "the star" and "the director" were adamant fans. And now we have the actors and actresses who did this movie "hooked" on watching episodes while doing the movie. And thirdly, the picture is a great relief. So I am happy so far. I am staying away from spoilers though.....
We will see....we will see....
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As much as I love DS 1991. I am pretty sure in 1991 they could totally have found out B was lying. And I am CERTAIN in 2012 they would definitely be able to confirm the cousin from England cover story is total bull....
In the ep of the '91 Series that is currently being featured, Sheriff Patterson actually admits that Barnabas has been at the top of his suspect list, that he'd run every check on him that he could think of in both the US and England and even had Interpol look into him, but it all came up with nothing, and in England they'd never even heard of him. However, when asked what that told him, Sheriff Patterson is adamant that nothing IS nothing.
And when you think about it, regardless of the version of DS, the Collins family has really little reason to doubt Barnabas' story. After all, he's the spitting image of the man in the portrait who's supposed to be his ancestor, and he even owns the man's cane and ring. And he's also an expert on the 18th century Collinses, as might be expected of someone who's supposed to be connected to the present day family through that generation. Elizabeth herself even remarks in more than one version that she thought she was an authority on the family history but Barnabas' knowledge of it is extraordinary. What's there really to doubt? And with overwhelming evidence like all that of his connection to them, where's the reason to investigate him? [hall2_wink]
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To be fair, I think the reason why Barnabas' story of being the descendant of the original Barnabas Collins worked was because Barnabas' disappearance in 1795 was explained by Joshua et. al. with the story that he had returned to England - information Barnabas could have easily learned from Willie prior to him revealing himself to the rest of the family. Even today, it's not easy to uncover the fate of people from 1795, so I don't think think it would be implausible that the cover story would work in 2011. I do, however, think that in this day and age of ubiquitous digital cameras and instant news updates, that it would be virtually impossible for a vampire to hide his identity for any appreciable length of time, which is why I think it's critical for the movie to be set when it is.
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Like MB said, there is no reason for anyone in the family to check up on his story. He has the ring, the cane, and he looks just like his "ancestor". He's got manners and a lot of money. That doesn't hurt him much. Plus, being a Collins in Collinsport generally puts one above the law, as we have seen time and time again. [hall2_wink] Oh, the Law certainly has its suspicions and throws its weight around, but it generally avoids pressing charges against much of anyone with the Collins name... unless they happen to be accused of witchcraft.
I like how we're all sitting around discussing the logistics of how a VAMPIRE could pull off the art of deception in the 21st century... Because the premise of a vampire even existing in the 21st century (or any other for that matter) isn't fantastical in and of itself...[hall2_wink] [hall2_grin]
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I happen to be watching a show right now called Revenge, where a young woman arrives in the Hamptons with a new identity to take revenge on the townspeople who wronged her and her father when she was a child. The way she accomplishes this (or tries to) in the present day is through years of preparation, creating a back story for herself. She also has a computer savvy ally who is hacking some databases. I was thinking that Barnabas could possibly do the same thing- maybe not come to Collinwood immediately, but hide out for awhile while getting a backstory in order- probably not years, because the body count of victims would probably get too high [hall2_grin] but they might be able to get away with something like this.
That said, I'm kind of glad the story is set when it is. It was a simpler time, and regardless of how hard or easy it would be to check on someone, people were just a bit less cynical back then.
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yes i agree that the 1970's was the last time a story like barnabas' could possibly pass muster.
true one could have hired a private detective to check it out(as burke did on the original series)but the average person would not have had the access or ability to investigate it themselves.
and, yes, it was a more naive time and people were less cynical. and barnabas' certainly had the 411 on the collins family so that helped to establish his credibility.
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It's interesting to note that on the 1990s series Forever Knight (which had some elements reminiscent of DS), there was a vampire who had a whole business that involved creating new backgrounds for vampires as they moved on and around from "lifetime" to "lifetime." Since it was the 1990s, he had also started "fixing" various databases so that background checks would turn up the "correct" info for the person's "current" identity/persona.
A specialist familiar with techniques used by hackers could easily enough see through this kind of thing today, but if you have someone who plausibly acts like the person they are supposed to be, you're unlikely to push further.
Before Barnabas, it was interesting to see the responses of the family, and Laura herself, to the increasing pile-up of evidence that Laura Collins had died in a fire in Phoenix. That was a really eerie, intriguing aspect of the original 1966/67 Laura storyline.
G.
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Re: The Rum Diary could possibly make a profit after the international receipts and DVD sales are in.
I would think that it would. And speaking of the film, I was just reading an article about it that said the vast majority of the audience who is going to see The Rum Diary is over 50 (something like only 2% are 18 and under), and I was completely unaware until the article pointed it out that Depp's last foray into Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, only grossed $10.7 million in total in theaters here in the US. At least TRD seems to be on target to beating that. But it would certainly seem that Thompson isn't exactly a big box office draw here in the US, so it's going to be interesting to see what the international box office figures turn out to be once they start coming in. Though the thing that saved Fear and Loathing was that it was a success on DVD...
This article has it's own theory as to why TRD may not strike a cord with a large US audience: Should Johnny Depp Be a Leading Man? (http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980691669). And if her theory is correct, then Depp as Barnabas should have more appeal - which leads us to getting back on topic --
There's another ongoing discussion about DS and the film on the message board for ABC's The View, which I still think is an odd place for there to be a DS discussion considering it's not like anyone from the show or the film has been on The View (yet). But, hey, no matter where the show and the film gets attention, it's a good thing. [hall2_smiley]
The View / Message Boards / Dark Shadows (http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/dark-shadows)
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re: The Rum Diary I think the word of mouth is going to kill the movie at least in the US. However, I don't see it doing as well as The Tourist did internationally. I am surprised that TRD was seen mostly by people over 50. That is actually very interesting. I did not see the trailer for the movie so I don't know how it was marketed. Thanks for the article. I have no doubt Barnabas will have more appeal.
Dark Shadows and The View. That is great. You never do know where DS will pop up. Now with the movie I am hoping it will pop up everywhere.
Another Alice Cooper interview. http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/alice-cooper-horror-1103-2011/
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Thanks for the article, MB. It's an interesting theory (that Johnny isn't successful in a traditional leading man role), and it's true that I've seen reviews for The Rum Diary that sound disappointed that there aren't "more pirates" (which is weird, because reviews for Pirates 4 complained about Johnny being a pirate again... you can't win!) But I'm not sure I completely agree, because Public Enemies was pretty successful (nearly $100 million) and as has been mentioned recently, even The Tourist did better than the entertainment news seemed to suggest. I think that The Rum Diary is a bit of a hard sell because Hunter S. Thompson is a bit of a hard sell. I'm not surprised that it appeals mostly to people who are 50+, and I would add that it probably appeals more to people who were more affected by Watergate and the protests of the 60's. Johnny tried hard to promote this film among college students by going to screenings at several colleges, so I think that the hope was that at least younger literature majors and such would be interested in the film, but I don't know how well that strategy has worked so far [hall2_sad] I, myself, enjoyed the film but it wasn't one of my favorite Depp films- it's a good story but just doesn't really bowl me over. But even though I'm in the right age group, I'm not particularly a fan of Thompson.
Anyway, "leading man" role or "quirky" role, it is simply not true that a Johnny Depp film guarantees box office success. Even a recent film like Sweeney Todd barely broke $50M. I hope (and expect) DS to do a bit better than Sweeney if only because I think the musical aspect turned off a lot of folks who would normally like a horror film like that, whereas DS doesn't have that drawback. But I don't really expect DS to be a huge blockbuster.
See Johnny's box office tallies on this box office mojo page:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=johnnydepp.htm (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=johnnydepp.htm)
ETA- thanks for the Cooper article, jimbo.
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Speaking of Cooper, here's yet more from him:
Alice Cooper Talks Johnny Depp, 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.fearnet.com/news/b24430_alice_cooper_talks_johnny_depp_dark.html)
Though for some reason the video doesn't seem to be working, so here's a link to the original site: Alice Cooper - 'Johnny Depp Is The Man Of A Thousand Faces' video (http://www.nme.com/nme-video/alice-cooper---johnny-depp-is-the-man-of-a-thousand-faces/1250312087001)
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His description of the plot is so inaccurate, but the examples of the plot's "problems" are spot-on! That amazes me!
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It's an interesting theory (that Johnny isn't successful in a traditional leading man role), and it's true that I've seen reviews for The Rum Diary that sound disappointed that there aren't "more pirates" (which is weird, because reviews for Pirates 4 complained about Johnny being a pirate again... you can't win!)
Yeah, no kidding - you just can't please some people - and particularly when those people are critics - which is one reason why I avoid reviews of films I want to see until after I've seen them. That way I can either agree or disagree based on having seen the film for myself.
But I'm not sure I completely agree, because Public Enemies was pretty successful (nearly $100 million) and as has been mentioned recently, even The Tourist did better than the entertainment news seemed to suggest.
Exactly. And what's interesting about The Tourist is that many people still have the idea that the film was a flop because, of course, the fact that it really did make money wasn't reported as widely as the supposed fact that it bombed. Many entertainment writers, Web sites and TV shows love to jump on stories like such and such a film bombed - but when that subsequently turns out not to be true, they somehow don't have the time (when it comes to the writers and TV shows) or the room (when it comes to Web sites) to report on that.
I hope (and expect) DS to do a bit better than Sweeney if only because I think the musical aspect turned off a lot of folks who would normally like a horror film like that, whereas DS doesn't have that drawback. But I don't really expect DS to be a huge blockbuster.
It would be nice for DS to be huge, but my thinking also jibes with yours. And I don't think any of us should be disappointed if DS turns out to be a hit film and not necessarily a $300+ million blockbuster.
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I had forgotten about that conversation with Patterson in 1991!
As for the movie being blockbuster....that would be fabulous! That being said, as long as it's a big enough hit to make back the money they shelled out to make it and a sizeable return, then I would be satisfied with that. I just hope it makes enough to warrant sequels! Again though, a blockbuster would be FABULOUS! :) Hopefully it will make get a great return and add more to the collective cult following then hopefully that too would warrant sequels as well! ;)
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So we basically have half a year until this movie is out... and no poster. [hall2_undecided]
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So we basically have half a year until this movie is out... and no poster. [hall2_undecided]
which sucks. [hall2_cry]
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No poster yet but I'm not too surprised. It still seems early, though May is creeping up on us! Just a hunch, but I am kind of thinking that we'll either get a teaser or a poster before the holidays. I would love to see a teaser trailer with Hugo (which is produced by Johnny's Infinitum Nihil, as is DS), but it may be too soon, and DS may not be "child-friendly" enough to show with Hugo. But I hope we'll have something by the holidays.
I was just browsing in the Johnny Depp Zone and there was a quote from Johnny and the Rum Diary director Bruce Robinson about their feelings about the Rum Diary box office. I didn't copy it and the Zone didn't give the source (though it may have come from last night's UK premiere), but basically they said what we've been saying- that The Rum Diary was never meant to be a blockbuster. Johnny called the perception that he is always expected to be in blockbusters "baggage" and I agree with him in a sense. (That said, as we've been saying, I don't think Tim and Johnny will be thinking of DS in the same "small film" sense that The Rum Diary is, and I'm sure they'll be hoping for at least some box office success with DS).
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I'm thinking that we may see a trailer around Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving and Christmas are usually good for the box office and that would be the time to promote DS. I've gone to the movies and saw trailers for movies that were eight months or more away from opening.
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I'm not too surprised by the lack of a poster or trailer yet, either. Though it would definitely be nice to see something surface during the holidays. [hall2_smiley]
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basically they said what we've been saying- that The Rum Diary was never meant to be a blockbuster. Johnny called the perception that he is always expected to be in blockbusters "baggage" and I agree with him in a sense.
What gets me is all these writers and Web sites that are characterizing the film as a flop because it only made $5 million last weekend - but that completely ignores the fact that, as I'd mentioned previously, industry predictions were that it would make about $7 million, so it wasn't that far off the estimates. These people comparing it to The Tourist and saying that it made $16.7 million its opening weekend and that shows what a flop The Rum Diary is are really being way off base because TRD was never expected to pull in that sort of box office. But then, it's probably so much more fun for them to ignore the real estimates and proclaim TRD a flop than it is for them to actually deal with facts. [hall2_rolleyes] Though this is hardly the first situation where these writers and sites have chosen to ignore the facts - and it surely won't be the last...
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People have perceptions of what type of film they are willing to take the risk, along with the high-cost, of going to see. Myself included. I like Russell Crowe but haven't gone to see any of his latest movies because frankly, the topics are of no interest to me.
My son-in-law didn't want to see Julia and Julie because he perceived it as a 'chick flick'. I've seen it twice. The same son-in-law has already said he won't see the Dark Shadows movie because he's not into horror. [hall2_sad]
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According to mojo's website tonight, "In its second weekend, The Rum Diary fell 42 percent to $2.99 million for a weak $10.4 million total. It is now a lock to become star Johnny Depp's lowest-grossing release in over 2,000 theaters since 1999's The Astronaut's Wife." That said there are many variables one needs to consider why TRD was such a domestic undertaking.
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I've been really remiss at checking Twitter for the past week, so it will probably take me a while to catch up to see if there's been anything interesting. But I did just come across this:
Josh_TurnerGolf Joshua Turner
Got my #darkshadows film crew hoody! http://yfrog.com/oeuajurj
31 Oct
Presumably that's a shot of the back. And who knew the crew had hoodies? But can you just imagine what one of them might go for if someone decided to sell it on eBay?!
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Oh I would love to have that jacket! There is a chance some may appear on Ebay. People do need some extra money and there are many crew jackets on Ebay. I would think most will wait untill the movie gets released.
DS at IMAX's website. http://www.imax.com/movies/m/dark-shadows-an-imax-3d-experience/
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I see that the nominations for The People's Choice Awards have come out. Not surprisingly, Depp is nominated for Favorite Movie Actor, Favorite Animated Movie Voice, and Favorite Ensemble Movie Cast. But what is a bit surprising and certainly interesting is that Chloe Moretz is nominated for Favorite Movie Star Under 25 - and she's the only one in the category who isn't from the Harry Potter films. Though given her high profile on Web sites like IMDb, I suppose it really shouldn't be that surprising that enough people voted for her to place in the category...
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I hope it's okay to add this here. I had pointed out that my cousin was glad that they aren't modernizing DS. Are you glad that it's set in the 70's or do you wish that it would have been updated and set in our time?? I am personally glad that it is set in the 70's! I think the fact that the show was a child of this era only lends to the weirdness. I know I would be older than I am now. However, I always said if I could choose I probably would have been a teen around the time DS was airing!
Also someone was pointing out how long the date away is for DS. I know about anyone else but 2011 has flown by for me. The movie will be here before we know it....
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Sounds like pure gossip to me but fyi purposes http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/64895/Johnny-Depp-And-Christian-Bale-Go-To-War-Over-Conflicting-Movie-Releases
Taeylor Collins I prefer that the story takes place in the present day. That is just how I feel. Let's hope it works out great.
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Hey Jimbo! I asked for opinions and that is yours! I totally respect it! :) We will hope for the best......;)
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Sounds like pure gossip to me
Seems like a completely fabricated feud. [hall2_rolleyes] If they really do hate each other, it's the first I'm hearing of it. But what would I know because I don't pay attention to the tabloids or watch those sorts of TV shows. So, unless it was mentioned in/by some reputable source, I suppose I wouldn't know. But considering there's little doubt that Warner Brothers wants both films to do as well as they possibly can, it's only logical that they're going to put a lot of money behind promoting both.
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I think Entertainmentwise is among the group of tabloid sources that Contact Music, New Kerala and others belong to. Once one of them reports some gossip, the same gossip usually makes the rounds of all of them, and then sometimes a few months later they recycle them again just for good measure. None of these are worth worrying about [hall2_grin] In this case, I think they have confused Christian and Johnny with their Public Enemies characters, Melvin Purvis and John Dillinger [hall2_tongue] Totally silly, especially with all the parallel reports in the news right now about how little Johnny cares that The Rum Diary isn't doing great at the box office. From what I could see, Christian and Johnny had only positive things to say about each other during Public Enemies; Johnny almost never says anything bad about anyone anyway. I do seem to recall some of the other actors or crew members remarking that since Christian is more of a method actor that he would sometimes be "in character" and didn't really interact that much with the rest of the cast, whereas Johnny would chat and joke more between takes, but even that isn't really a diss of Christian so much as it's just an observation that they have different approaches.
To be honest, I would expect The Dark Knight Rises to make at least 2-3 times more than Dark Shadows. It is in an established franchise that has done amazingly well and shows no sign of slowing down at the box office. It's really not fair to make a direct comparison between the two, anyway.
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Well, if anything, we should be flattered that they chose to pit Shadows against TDKR. That is probably one of the best things you could do when making up a story about Shadows. There's no better movie to compete against. [hall2_grin]
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Well, if anything, we should be flattered that they chose to pit Shadows against TDKR. That is probably one of the best things you could do when making up a story about Shadows. There's no better movie to compete against. [hall2_grin]
Well said! (Heck, even I can't wait to see TDKR! [hall2_grin] )
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I remember the 2nd X-Files movie had a similar problem going up against one of those Batman movies in '08. It still did pretty respectable I think, but it was totally squashed by the hype of that caped-crusader!
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X-Files 2 was so bad. What a shame.
Is MTV aware of the WB's press release? http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1674178/johnny-depp-dark-shadows-tim-burton.jhtml
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Is MTV aware of the WB's press release?
I could have sworn that they've referenced at least parts of it in at least one of their previous articles - but I'm too lazy to go back through all our links to them to check. [hall2_wink] Though maybe today's piece is by a different writer? Or perhaps he's simply ignoring the WB Press Release for the sake of speculating. Though truthfully, even though the WB Press Release would seem to answer some of his questions (a chief one being whether or not Victoria travels back in time - it would seem she doesn't), it still leaves the door open to quite a bit a speculation.
But at any rate, thanks for sharing the link, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
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The film open exactly 6 months from today!!
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I am pretty sure the past articles were written by a different author. One would think they would share information on a particular already published subject. On the other hand this writer now will be writing about DS every Friday. I could live with that.
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2011/11/11/newsroom-obsessions-dark-shadows/
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This seems like pretty good exposure. Any thoughts?
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MTV seems to have a large readership so we can only hope for more.
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It's pretty cool that the MTV machine is promoting Depp Shadows as "one of the tentpole releases of 2012." (an intriguing turn of phrase--various images come to mind around the metaphor of "tentpole releases," particularly since yesterday we were honoring the iconic deliciousness that lurked in Lieut. Nathan Forbes tight trousers--lol!)
I did spot some errors in the columnist's synopsis of certain plot events from DS. The most egregious were the notion that Julia was seeking a cure for Barnabas "so he could be with" Vicki--Doctor might have had a thing or two to say about that. And the presumption that Vicki returned from her sojourn in 1795 with "full knowledge" of Barn's secret, which of course was his fear, when in fact, she ended up not really knowing about it at all, and then having amnesia about it after subsequent developments in 1968.
But hey, a press item about DS without mistakes would be like an episode of the series without bloopers--ALMOST unheard of.
G.
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I agree that is great that MTV is really intersted in promoting Dark Shadows. MTV of course reaches a wide audience; I personally only watch the channel during the time they actually show videos which is late at night and early in the morning. I am not a Jersey Shore fan or any of the other crazy shows they have.
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Did we discuss this article... Because it bears discussing. Not because of its silly headline or hook, but because of the funny spoiler.
http://www.eonline.com/news/marc_malkin/robert_pattinson_vs_johnny_depp_whos/270236?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories (http://www.eonline.com/news/marc_malkin/robert_pattinson_vs_johnny_depp_whos/270236?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories)
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I posted a link to it back on October 20th:
Yet more comments from Chloe Moretz:
EXCLUSIVE! Robert Pattinson vs. Johnny Depp: Who's the Hotter Vampire? (http://www.eonline.com/news/marc_malkin/robert_pattinson_vs_johnny_depp_whos/270236?cmpid=sn-000000-twitterfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_topstories&dlvrit=48939)
But so far as any discussion of it went, there have simply been two comments from me - one from the same post:
Very glad to read that she thinks Depp's Barnabas is "tortured and deep" because that's exactly what Barn should be.
And:
Very interesting - thanks so much for the link to the article, jimbo. [hall2_smiley] It confirms some of the things we've suspected (Cooper's cameo takes place during the masquerade ball) as well as adding details (Barnabas hires him (no doubt because he's become close with Carolyn)).
[hall2_wink]
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Thanks, MB. I thought I remembered looking at it, but I must have missed the part about
[spoiler]Barnabas getting dating advice[/spoiler] [hall2_grin]
I see that as a typical example of one type of humor we will see in this film. It goes along with the whole "man out of time" scenario everyone was so fond of discussing a few months back. I do hope that isn't the only type of humor we have though. I want plenty of biting dialogue between Liz and Roger as well as between Liz and a certain other character whose life goal is to destroy the family. [hall2_wink]
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I want plenty of biting dialogue between Liz and Roger as well as between Liz and a certain other character whose life goal is to destroy the family. [hall2_wink]
I strongly suspect we're going to get both - and I can't wait to see it. [hall2_wink]
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I'm so excited! [hall2_grin]
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So Depp Shadows has gotten me more interested in modern film than I would otherwise be. As such, I have been watching some trailers to see what Depp Shadows may look like. I just got done watching the two trailers for the Snow White (2012) films. Since they are both adaptations of another work, I decided they would be a good gauge with which to measure possible outcomes for Shadows. The two of them are like night and day. Snow White and the Huntsman is dark and serious. And Mirror, Mirror is... I don't know what it is to be honest. Anyway, it is everything I hope Shadows WON'T be. It appears to be a very bad comedy. I hope that when we get a trailer for Shadows it looks more like Huntsman does, because I feel if it looks anything like Mirror, Mirror, nobody is going to be very happy.
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I just got done watching the two trailers for the Snow White (2012) films. ... The two of them are like night and day.
Yes, I've seen the trailers for both and you're right - they couldn't be more different. Though in their case that's probably a very good thing as both are likely to find an audience and those audiences may not cross over with each other very much.
And not that I'm jealous. No, not at all. But Entertainment Tonight has been running behind the scenes set visits/interviews for Snow White and the Huntsman. No, that shouldn't phase any of us in the least. Not at all. I mean, just because that film is shooting at Pinewood and granted ET access to all sorts of things and we didn't get a single thing when it came to DS while it was shooting there. Nope, no jealousy at all. Not one single bit.
But seriously, once we learned of the confidentiality agreement, which we honestly suspected was in place long before we actually heard it for sure, we knew we weren't going to get coverage from the entertainment shows while shooting was going on. With Burton & Co., I suppose we should actually feel lucky that we've at least gotten two official articles so far and seen three official stills. And obviously more isn't going to come our way until Burton & Co. decides it's the right time, whenever that may be...
Snow White and the Huntsman is dark and serious. And Mirror, Mirror is... I don't know what it is to be honest. Anyway, it is everything I hope Shadows WON'T be. It appears to be a very bad comedy. I hope that when we get a trailer for Shadows it looks more like Huntsman does, because I feel if it looks anything like Mirror, Mirror, nobody is going to be very happy.
I suspect DS won't be like either of them. We pretty much know that it won't be as serious as Snow White and the Huntsman, and I doubt it will be as comedic as Mirror, Mirror seems to be.
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I just saw part of the series on Entertainment Tonight this evening. Really would have loved to have seen something like this for DS. Well, maybe it happened, and they just can't show it yet. [hall2_grin]
Yeah, I hope Depp Shadows won't be like Mirror, Mirror. I know it probably won't be like Huntsman either, but I hope it's more like the feel of that movie than anything remotely close to Mirror, Mirror. When I saw this trailer, the whole "funny" and "comedy" comments came rushing back to me, and I said, "Oh no..." [hall2_shocked]
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As MTV promised another DS friday article. Re: Depp's costumes.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1674659/johnny-depp-dark-shadows-costumes.jhtml
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Interesting that it's Barnabas' courtship of Victoria that forces him to go out in daylight. That certainly explains the paparazzi photos. Though I can't wait to see what the explanation for that look is in the film. "Yes, Victoria, I sunburn very easily. I turn so red so quickly that it's almost as if I burst into flames!" [lghy]
Thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
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atwood's remarks certainly validate alot of speculation about depp's strange attire in those paparazzi pics...
that's he was heavily covered up to protect himself from exposure to sunlight. probably at some early point in dr.hoffman's treatments. and that he would not look so strange for the bulk of the movie.
how he's explaining his ghostly white appearance is still a mystery but some sort of illness would be the likely cover story.
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I'm envisioning a scene where Julia says: "Barnabas! Barnabas, if you insist on going outside during the day with Vicki, I have something you MUST use beforehand. You MUST, Barnabas!"
Close-up shows a bottle labeled Sun-block SPF 175.
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Julia simply MUST use the word must in the film! And use it frequently. [hall2_wink]
What will be interesting will be to see if Julia smokes in the film. 1972 was still a period when barely anyone was paying attention to the Surgeon General's anti-smoking warnings, and Julia often smoked on the original show - especially during her first year on the show, so depicting her smoking in the film could in a way be a tribute to daytime Julia. But the MPAA does not look kindly on smoking in films as depicting anyone smoking is most often an automatic R rating because the MPAA's reasoning is that they don't want kids exposed to smoking on film.
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remember julia brazenly lighting up off a candelabra in the old house? breathtaking!
another MUST for the new film, a series hallmark we've thus far heard nothing about, is a SCEANCE...
i'm not sure who the gang would be contacting(it would appear there's no sarah)but for the sake of tradition and the proper DS atmosphere it's a MUST. [hall2_wink]
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MB, that is fascinating about cigarette smoking meaning an instant R rating. I notice so many 20 somethings, particularly bright hip ones, around Cambridge puffing away like nobody's business. I assume that the cigarette companies targeted kids in middle school and high school, but of course this crowd also watches a lot of mid 20th century films and television shows and the old association of cigarettes and coolness seems to be back with us. It's sooo sad.
Even though Grayson claimed to have given up smoking in 1970, we all remember Julia with her cigarettes in hoDS.
It was touching reading an interview with Don Briscoe from a group of fans visiting him in the 1990s and he said that Dan Curtis had him smoke during a scene in a 1968 episode and it bothered him because of the bad example he was setting on a show popular with kids. Don had such a huge heart.
I only watched the X Files intermittently but I remember noting that whenever a character lit up a cigarette it usually meant that within 5 minutes, the person would encounter a grisly death.
michael, I definitely agree that a seance (preferably pronounced a la Joan Bennett: "SAY-awnce") is a MUST for the Burton film. I can think of a couple of possibilities from what has already been revealed about the plot...
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It seems there will be a train scene after all. I was always hoping for the familiar Ms. Winters scene on a train. All we have is this actress in a train scene as a passenger.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4166944/
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Interesting. There might be that Victoria arrives on a train scene yet. Thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
And I find it fascinating that more actors/characters continue to be added on IMDb. Besides Alexa Seabourne as the uncredited 1972 Train Passenger, I just noticed:
Frank Hellebrand ... Henchman
Who knows what sort of henchman - and a henchman for whom? Angelique, perhaps?
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MB, that is fascinating about cigarette smoking meaning an instant R rating.
I forget what the name of the film was (because it wasn't anything that interested me), but the producers had a big fight with the MPAA earlier this year over their film getting an R because it included smoking. But in the end the R rating remained. So, if Burton & Co. want a PG-13, I suppose Julia won't be seen smoking...
I notice so many 20 somethings, particularly bright hip ones, around Cambridge puffing away like nobody's business. I assume that the cigarette companies targeted kids in middle school and high school, but of course this crowd also watches a lot of mid 20th century films and television shows and the old association of cigarettes and coolness seems to be back with us. It's sooo sad.
Something about smoking is definitely getting kids in middle school interested again because the other day I saw two kids get off the bus from the local middle school and both of them couldn't wait to light up as they came walking down my street. I swear neither of them could have been older than 13. And it is quite sad. It's one things for adults to make the decision to smoke - but 13-year-olds should not be smoking. But we digress...
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I don't think that smoking is an automatic R, though it might contribute to the rating. (Didn't someone here tell me recently that even marijuana use isn't automatically an R?) Earlier this year, Rango was rated PG, and even though it was animated, there was a huge uproar from parents' groups about the amount of smoking depicted in the film (they didn't like the language, either). Maybe a live-action film would be different... I'm trying to think of other movies I've seen recently, but I believe that The Tourist was rated PG-13, and while Johnny's character was smoking electronic cigarettes through most of the movie, he did switch to real ones toward the end.
Okay, I tried Googling this and all I could find is this 2007 article from msnbc- I don't know if it's up to date
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18601051/ns/today-entertainment/t/mpaa-makes-smoking-bigger-factor-ratings/#.Tsj8l3Frfst (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18601051/ns/today-entertainment/t/mpaa-makes-smoking-bigger-factor-ratings/#.Tsj8l3Frfst)
Oh, and Wikipedia says that Disney won't allow smoking in its new films. And it mentions the Rango issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system)
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interesting bit about the girl on the train...
given the plot outline we received it would seem that the film was going to open with barnabas' backstory and the stuff about his family leaving england, not vicki's arrival in collinsport in the present day(and i speak of 1972 as the "present day").
still, that opening voiceover(..."my journey is beginning"...)would be dreamy.
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New DS movie tie-in book. http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-dark-shadows-movie-tie-in-book.html
I agree Michael C-that would be great.
Madscntst thanks for the links. I am still hoping for an R-rating on many levels.
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Even if there's a scene of Victoria arriving in Collinsport on a train, that doesn't necessarily mean that the film won't open with Barnabas' backstory. All the events prior to 1972 could play out in chronological order, but rather than Barnabas' release being the first thing seen in 1972, it could be Victoria's arrival. Or her arrival could be seen directly after his release. Or both events could be intercut. Or the film could actually open with Victoria's arrival and Barn's backstory could be used as flashbacks. Who knows how the film will be edited? And even the chronology of how things might play out in the script wouldn't necessarily be an indication of how the finished film will play because scenes are often jumbled around in the editing process. The WB Press Release might be a reflection of the order of how things play out in the script, but Burton could and possibly will decide to change the chronology. After all, one need look no further than the chronology of certain scenes in hoDS, NoDS, the '91 Series, and the '04 WB pilot as examples of how some scenes play out in a different order (and sometimes in quite a different order) from the way they appear in those scripts. It might prove very interesting when we see the film and then we (hopefully) see the script (in KLS' book).
As for the smoking issue, I wish I could remember the name of the film that had so much trouble with the MPAA earlier this year. There were all sorts of articles on the Internet about the battle. But I'm drawing a complete blank...
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New DS movie tie-in book.
Interesting if that's going to be the cover because it's pretty much perfect. And while I would have probably preferred a book exclusively about the film, it makes perfect sense to tie it in with the original series and to provide a complete DS history - especially when one considers that the film will hopefully expose DS to many new people.
Unfortunately, there's no specific mention of the film's script being included. It does say "production materials" will be included - and that could encompass the script - but with the book only being 200 pages, that would seem unlikely. After all, hoDS' script takes up 135 pages of the DS Movie Book - and NoDS takes up 123 pages. But I suppose we'll see...
I am still hoping for an R-rating on many levels.
I have to admit that I'm still on the fence because PG-13 and R both have their advantages...
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hmmm...
the slightly vague language used to describe the book..."overview of the show's history"..."rare photographs"..."unique archival elements"...and "behind the scenes anecdotes" from scott, parker, frid and selby sounds suspiciously like another KLS/Pompress rehash than anything truly new or a genuine account of the new film.
how many more "rare photographs" can scott pull out of the shoebox. that well is dry.
i smell a rat. [hall2_rolleyes]
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These days they sell the complete movie scripts separately in book form. I think Inception is one. I can't remember the others right now. I was hoping for a book just on the filming on the new movie.
I think the cover is pretty good. Hope they don't leave out the 1991 series.
I do believe the movie will be in chronological order with flashbacks dispersed throughout the movie. 1752, 1772 and it goes directly into 1972 with Victoria's train scene.
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KLS and the others were only at Pinewood for a day or two at most. Unless Burton's people decide to be super generous (which I doubt), I do not think she would have enough material from that brief encounter to fill a book length memoir. That accounts for the inclusion of other material in the book. There's been mention of "previously unpublished photographs" in the Hermes Press reprints of the Gold Key comic books, so it does seem as if KLS truly has even more photos sitting around at home we haven't seen, although the quality of anything being excavated now may be somewhat dubious if all the best shots were weeded for her numerous previous books about the show. (I still laugh when I recall somebody telling me around 2004 that KLS had informed the individual that she "wasn't doing anymore Dark Shadows books" out of PomPress.)
I am sure there will be a number of media tie-in pubs for this project. Given the screenwriter's rep I am sure there will be a script book, and there will probably be a third book that is set photos, etc. for the Depp fan market.
On the topic of how the 2012 movie will be edited, I would be very surprised if the story is told in "chronological order" starting with 1752. I expect the movie to begin with Victoria's arrival at Collinsport, perhaps counterpointed with scenes of [spoiler]Barnabas' coffin being excavated, as described in the Empire mag article.[/spoiler] But Burton may change his mind about a lot of things as he goes through his usual intensive, prolonged and elaborate postproduction work on the film. We may end up with only brief snippets and clips from the 18th century sequences. At least in this era of extras-laden DVD releases, we can expect at least some deleted scenes when the movie hits the home video market.
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KLS was only onset for two days when she filmed her cameo and obviously she's not involved in any of the film's editing or postproduction work. so even though it seems as if she's read the script i'll bet her insights are minimal.
NONE of the film's key participants are mentioned as being interviewed or involved with the book at all. just "anecdotes" from the OS actors on their cameos. anecdotes on a two day cameo shoot.
again, this is likely just another variation on KLS/Pompress books we've all seen. and you can bet your bottom dollar she'll be seated at a table with STACKS of them at next year's fest.
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since KLS herself was not personally involved in the 1991 series it is something of the forgotten stepchild in the Pompress DS world.
so it's inclusion in this new book will likely be minimal at best.
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how many more "rare photographs" can scott pull out of the shoebox. that well is dry.
I don't necessarily take "rare photographs" to mean new ones. They could also be ones that have only ever been previously published in one or two other articles or one other book. So, in that sense, KLS could possibly have dozens of photo where calling them "rare" could be gotten away with. [hall2_rolleyes] But that being said, I'm constantly surprised by how many actual new photos do seem to continue to surface. For example, there are 7 photos in the 2010 DS Fest Calendar that I'd never seen before. Granted, some are very similar to photos I have seen - but it's just that they're different shots from the same session as the ones that I've seen. And as Gothick points out, eventually it's going to get to the point where the quality of any new photos is going to be dubious at best because quite obviously there was a reason why they were rejected in the first place. [hall2_wink]
KLS was only onset for two days when she filmed her cameo and obviously she's not involved in any of the film's editing or postproduction work. so even though it seems as if she's read the script i'll bet her insights are minimal.
NONE of the film's key participants are mentioned as being interviewed or involved with the book at all. just "anecdotes" from the OS actors on their cameos. anecdotes on a two day cameo shoot.
I was going to say something extremely similar in reply to your earlier comment about this. And when it comes to KLS and Lara Parker, both have already made several comments at this year's Comic Cons about their time on the set of the film, so it would seem that anyone who attended those events or has simply watched those videos will already know much of what they may write about in the book. In fact, in one of the video's from the NYC Comic Con, KLS specifically says that what she's about to tell the audience is something she just finished writing about for the book. Though at least when it comes to Selby and Frid, they haven't said much about their time on set, so what they write could potentially be fresh. Though even with them, a couple days on set does not a wealth of material make. And all that now has me questioning just how much of the book will actually be devoted to the new film and how much will be devoted to rehashing what we've already heard, read and seen numerous times? [hall2_undecided]
The only potentially good thing about the rehashing is that it will inform any new people who are just coming to DS through the film. Though how many of them will actually buy the book is anyone's guess...
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I still laugh when I recall somebody telling me around 2004 that KLS had informed the individual that she "wasn't doing anymore Dark Shadows books" out of PomPress.
KLS first said that around 1997, but lo and behold the DS Movies Book came out in 1998. And it's really no secret where she got the initial idea from once one realizes that not all that long after the Webmaster of her Pompress site began e-mailing the Webmaster of the now defunct DS Movies Website, the DS Movies Book was suddenly announced. Though I'm not about to fault KLS for going back on her word in the case of that book because it's one of my favorite PomPress books.
I am sure there will be a number of media tie-in pubs for this project. Given the screenwriter's rep I am sure there will be a script book, and there will probably be a third book that is set photos, etc. for the Depp fan market.
Well, potentially there's going to be a book on the film by Mark Salisbury that will be targeted at the Depp fan market. Though we still have yet to hear more details on it or if it will even be published at all...
Given that at this point the PomPress book seems likely to be a disappointment regarding the new film, hopefully Salisbury's book will be published.
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I hate to interrupt the discussion, but I just noticed something which made me stop to think. The order of the cast listing has not changed in the main section, but it has changed in the "Overview" area which lists the top three stars. Now, Michelle Pfeiffer comes before Eva Green. Is there some sort of technical reason behind this or is this an indication that the billing has changed? Any thoughts?
As an aside, I have always thought Michelle Pfeiffer should be before Green - not only because of her career, but also because of her role. I mean she IS playing Elizabeth Collins Stoddard. [hall2_grin]
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I don't know if we should necessarily read too much into that as everywhere else on IMDb as well as everywhere on IMDbPro billing is still listed as Depp, Green, Pfeiffer, ...
But with IMDb who knows? [hall2_undecided]
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Thanks, MB. I didn't think it meant much, but it would be interesting if the billing did eventually change, perhaps as a result of post-production work. And maybe that is why we haven't gotten a poster yet... Again, I just love to speculate about these things. [hall2_wink]
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It's unlikely anything in post-production would have an effect on Michelle Pfeiffer's billing. Billing and order of billing is contractual regardless of how an actor's work in a film is eventually used. Well, unless an actor is completely edited out, in which case their name may disappear from the credits. Though there are cases where even if an actor has been completely edited out of a film or TV show, their name still appears in the credits because it's contractually obligated to appear. (Such a case occurs in the '91 Series where Wayne Tippit's name appears as part of the guest cast's listing for Ep #4 even though his Dr. Fisher is nowhere to be seen in the ep. (The only thing that seems to even exist of his part in that ep is a photo published in the DS Resurrected book.))
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Hmmm... Very interesting. Thanks for the info, and that neat tidbit on the '91 series. I always assumed that screentime could change the order of the billing. But, if it is all contractual and that has nothing to do with anything, my theory is wrong. Are contracts so specific as to guarantee second, third, and fourth billing? What if they only guaranteed that Pfeiffer and Green would be above the title? That could change things, right? So, do you know how specific the contracts usually get? I don't know anything about it, so any insight would be appreciated. Since this movie, I am now fascinated with a lot of aspects of the film industry that I never really cared about before! Thanks a lot, Johnny Depp. [hall2_tongue]
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if i recall in the 1991 series only ben cross, who got "top billing", and jean simmons, who got the classic "and..as" billing, received special mention. the rest of the cast was alphabetized.
on the original series only joan, alexandra and later jonathan got any special billing but how the rest of the cast got billed is anyone's guess. it seemed to be almost based on some sort of seniority after the first year. actors who had been with the show longest got "top" billing if joan wasn't in a given episode. it occasionally made for strange credits. for instance there were some 1968 episodes where joel crothers got "top" billing because he had been with the show longer than say, jonathan or lara parker, but they were obviously the episodes' "leads" in terms of plot. it had to have been political or contractual.
there also seemed to be a bit of male chauvinism going on with the original series in terms of the credits. again, if joan was not in an episode "top" billing almost always went to the next senior male member of the cast. this was notable during the laura collins storyline when diana millay was clearly the episodes "star" but got second or third billing after the men in the cast.
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Cousin B, I can't give you details--I am sure someone who follows the current industry will be able to do that for you--but billing is HUGE in contracts. You are talking about a class of people who really obsess over this sort of thing, and it is a big part of what they pay their "people"--agents and so on--to guarantee for them.
The number of scenes or lines in the final print has nothing to do with an actor's billing. Zsa Zsa Gabor was billed as a star of the Orson Welles classic Touch of Evil. She had one scene and, if recall, all of two lines. And the lines went something like: "Miss Fifi? I do not know her." For reals, babe.
Hollywood is a strange place. And that was the 1950s. Nowadays--you have creatures like the Kardashians who are famous solely because they're famous. Don't ask me to figure that one out.
G.
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Also, note that the order in which the IMDB lists performers ordinarily has zilch to do with billing (in some cases, it seems to go alphabetically), which is a real nuisance when you're scrolling through a long cast list of an unseen production trying to determine who the principal players were. The IMDB is pretty much a world unto itself. With all its faults, however, it is a very useful resource, so long as you bear in mind the guideline that every fact needs to be checked--same goes with the "Wikipedia."
cheers, Gothick
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Wow, Gothick! I had absolutely no idea all of this went into the placement of two words on a poster. I guess I am in the WRONG business. [hall2_grin] Thank you for the insight. I may have to change careers now. [hall2_cool]
And michael c, your analysis of the original series and its billing is similar to what I concluded. The longer an actor was on continually, the higher billing he or she received. There were exceptions down the line, with Jonathan Frid, Grayson Hall, and David Selby all getting higher billings much more quickly than others, but over all, continuous time spent on the show meant a higher place in the credits with very few exceptions.
Joan Bennett, Jonathan Frid, and Alexandra Moltke all got special billing in the original. (Note how later Victorias never received the same billing as Moltke.) And I hope that the roles they made famous will be treated with the same respect in terms of final billing for this film. We know Depp's status as Barnabas, but it will be interesting to see how Pfeiffer and Heathcote will be billed in terms of special wording.
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Getting back to the cover of the DS film tie-in book -
Me thinks KLS needs to look at the '67 cast photo again because Joel Crothers isn't standing behind her. Sadly, he doesn't even appear in any of the versions. [hall2_sad]
- I wonder if now KLS realizes that it's Anthony George and not Joel Crothers who's standing behind her? But just because that 1967 cast photo is supposedly part of the cover (and I say "supposedly" because often the final covers are quite different from what Amazon first puts up), that doesn't mean KLS has even seen it. After all, and as per usual, Jim Pierson is also listed as editor, so he could have been the one to approve that cover and KLS may not have even seen it yet.
I suppose the only way we'll really know is if she keeps repeating that Crothers is behind her in the photo the same way that she keeps repeating the Frid and the hangers anecdote. [hall2_rolleyes]
And on a completely separate but certainly interesting note, the posting on the DS News Page about the book seems to have been taken down...
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I also noticed that the link to the DS News page was taken down. I was told it was down very early in the morning. Can't imagine why if Amazon has it.
Hopefully JP and KLS will correct the Joel Crothers' issue.
Another Chloe interview where she says the DS movie is very funny. I just wish it was described as a horror movie with some comedic elements-splitting hairs I guess but I would feel more comfortable.
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/11/21/chloe-moretz-hugo-dark-shadows-interview/
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Jimbo. I don't know if she means it's funny here. I think she means it's "odd". Look at the sentence: "It's really interesting, it's a very funny movie. I can't really say anything about it, but it's Tim Burton's fine line. He straddles that camp and drama, perfectly." It doesn't make a lot of sense to have "comedy funny" as a descriptor here, but it does make sense when you replace the word "funny" with "weird" or "odd". That's just how I read it anyway.
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Cousin Barnabas I hope you are right. As we know everyone who has read the script has said it is very funny. I hope we see some promo stuff coming soon.
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I came away with same interpretation of funny as you did, Cousin_Barnabas. The fact that Moretz follows using funny by saying that it's Burton's "fine line" and that he "straddles that camp and drama, perfectly" make me also think she means funny as in odd or weird rather than funny as in generating laughs. And this isn't the first time that I've gotten the impression that someone describing the film as funny was actually saying it's odd or weird. Though I'm too lazy to go back through my previous posts to see who it was and what they'd said. But the posts are there. [hall2_wink]
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Eva speaks about her acting in the movie.
http://www.film-news.co.uk/show-news.asp?H=Eva-Green-is-Burton-fan&nItemID=8290
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Very interesting that she says that Michelle Pfeiffer and not Bella Heathcote is her rival in the film. That certainly bodes well for Liz being an integral part of the action. And it also bodes well for what Cousin _Barnabas and I and others have been hoping:
I want plenty of biting dialogue ... between Liz and a certain other character whose life goal is to destroy the family. [hall2_wink]
Thanks so much for posting the links to both Eva Green's and Chole Moretz' articles, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
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indeed very interesting about elizabeth and angelique being rivals in the new film. they're obviously not romantic rivals but don't forget in this variation on the tale ang was once a servant at collinwood and revenge is a dish best served cold. pfeiffer didn't sign on to be part of the set dressing.
digressing back to the train business. in this story julia, willie and angelique are not being given lengthy introductions as they were in the OS. in the name of expediency(given the two hour time frame) the characters are already ensconced at collinwood or well established in collinsport when the film begins. they could have done that with vicki as well. but remember the plot synopsis we've been given described her as david's "new" nanny. so perhaps they thought time allowed, and tradition has bound them to, the classic vicki-arrives-in-collinsport-by-train introduction.
i'm all for it.
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MB passes along that Chloe Moretz will be on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon tonight. That's NBC at 12:35, 11:35 Central.
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Thanks so much for posting that, Midnite. [hall2_smiley] And for the sake of others as to why I didn't post it myself, it was because I was in Internet Connection Hell, meaning my provider was working on their service and I didn't have any connection. [hall2_sad] But these things have to happen from time to time...
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Chloe Grace Moretz on Jimmy Fallon:
Part One: http://www.hulu.com/watch/303430/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-chloe-grace-moretz-part-1#s-p2-sr-i1 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/303430/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-chloe-grace-moretz-part-1#s-p2-sr-i1)
Part Two: http://www.hulu.com/watch/303428/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-chloe-grace-moretz-part-2 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/303428/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-chloe-grace-moretz-part-2)
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Being a big fan of Elizabeth, I read with happiness that she will be a rival to Angelique. I'm assured that she will have some quality screen time and not just exist as part of the background like she was in the later DS episodes [hall2_smiley]. At times, I do feel sick whenever I read Chloe M's interviews about how funny or weird or whatever she is using at the time to describe DS. I realize she is only 13 or 14 and thinks and speaks differently about life than say an adult does.
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Thanks Zahir for posting those hulu links. I played the clips, and it was interesting to see Chloe in action as up till now I had only seen photographs. She is very poised, and very young. She revealed that she trained for seven months to do "Let me in," and that she studied at the Performing Arts High School in NYC (she must have been admitted there when she was only 10, which seems extraordinary, but she made no comment about this).
She doesn't discuss the DS project at all in the available clips. They do talk about Hugo which of course opens today.
I see her huge popularity as very symptomatic of our culture's seeming obsession with very young teenagers (or barely pubescent girls)--I have read a number of articles about this over the past five years. It is a phenomenon I find very strange, although it is adumbrated obviously in Nabokov's Lolita and in Donovan's Mellow Yellow ("I'm just mad about fourteen/fourteen's mad about me").
G.
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I see her huge popularity as very symptomatic of our culture's seeming obsession with very young teenagers (or barely pubescent girls)
Perhaps. Though it certainly doesn't hurt that she's terribly talented. [hall2_wink]
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Here is a new YouTube interview with Alice Cooper (at least it's dated today, and I hope it's not a repost but I haven't seen it before)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwGZJDDQHXI
Poor Alice- I have no doubt that he did watch the show back in the day, but he clearly has a poor memory of DS [hall2_grin] Actually, I think that there are probably a lot of folks out there of a certain age who are the same- who if you asked them about it, they'd remember running home from school, but if you actually asked for details they might be rather vague about what they remember. I think this is going to be a perfect audience for the film, because they'll be receptive and maybe it'll help bring back a new love for the show.
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Poor Alice, indeed. [hall2_wink] But like you've said, anyone who hasn't really seen DS since it was originally on is going to easily confuse what the storylines were like - and I suspect you're completely right in thinking that those sorts of past fans may be a portion of the potential audience that Burton & Co. and Warner Brothers are hoping to attract.
Thanks for providing the YouTube link. [hall2_smiley] I think the video was linked through some other link that had been posted to another Web site. But as I always say, it's so much better to have multiple links to something than to have missed something entirely. [hall2_wink]
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Oh, sounds like the video wasn't new then- sorry! [hall2_smiley] I hadn't seen it but I think I missed some stuff at a time when I was pretty busy. I think that a lot of folks around my age have very a fond remembrance of DS, even if they are not die-hards now.
By the way, I just got back from seeing Hugo-- wonderful film. Besides Johnny being a producer, and Chloe Moretz playing one of the lead characters, I didn't realize that Gulliver McGrath (David Collins) is in it. He has a really teensy part- I don't even think he has any lines, but he sure is cute as a button. I'm kind of hoping he'll still be cute-- but not TOO cute, in DS, if you know what I mean [hall2_grin]
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Thanks for the Hugo info. [hall2_smiley] Knowing Gulliver McGrath is in it, even if it's a small parts, makes me more interested to see it than I already was. And the interesting thing about McGrath being in that film is that more than half of the major actors in DS have worked at least once with either Depp, or Burton, or Graham King or some combination of them before becoming involved with DS:
Eva Green did King's Camelot.
Michelle Pfeiffer did Burton's Batman Returns.
Chloe Moretz did King and Depp's Hugo.
Gulliver McGrath did Hugo.
Helena Bonham Carter has done too many to list.
So, their work was in some way known to at least someone involved with the film before each was cast - and it may even have gone a long way into why they were brought in and eventually cast.
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Variety article on the upcoming vampire movies. The DS movie only cost 60 million?
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118046550?refCatId=14
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Wow, I'm shocked and pleasantly surprised all at the same time. Now I'm presuming that Depp, Pfeiffer, and even some of the other actors must have taken pay cuts to make the film. And apparently as wonderful as the sets look, they must be made of something resembling industrial strength plywood, [hall2_grin] But a smaller budget than we expected means a quicker profit than we expected - and that's most certainly not a bad thing. [hall2_wink]
One note unrelated to DS: how quickly the writer forgets 2002's film version of Anne Rice's Queen of the Damned. [hall2_rolleyes]
And thanks so much for link, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
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let's not forget that at the end of the day this film is still something of a gamble...
"we" of course will go see it as will diehard depp fans and perhaps fans of the vampire genre but the great masses might not be lining up the the multiplex to see a remake of an old soap opera.
depp and company might have worked for considerably less than they would have earned in something of the blockbuster category. certainly less than he makes for the 'pirates' franchise.
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it looks like we've got an "inside man(or woman)" on the editorial staff at Harper's Bazaar...
the december issue has a "hot list" of 12 "need-to-know, must see, hear and read moments" of the upcoming year.
among such fashionable entries as a louis vuitton exhibit in paris, an elsa schiaparelli/prada show at the metropolitan, damien hirst and keith harring gallery exhibits in london and new york and most spectacularly a cecil beaton photography exhibit to celebrate the "diamond jubilee" of queen elizabeth ll's coronation at the victoria and albert museum in london is the release of DARK SHADOWS(we're number 10). they even feature the cast photograph.
now that's some SWELL company we're keeping! [hall2_wink]
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I am also amazed at the apparantly low budget for the movie. The fishing village alone had to cost millions. I wonder if the 60 million includes all the special effects and marketing which could be substantial. I guess not having too many location shots saved a bundle. The Wolfman's 2010 budget for example was 150 million. However, as was pointed out here perhaps TB and JD not taking on a salary saved 50 million or so. WB must be thrilled with this budget.
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Now that Thanksgiving has gone and still no trailer, it makes me wonder at what kind of emotional pressures Burton may be under--from himself.
If I were as big a fan as I am and had the chance to do a remake of the some of this story, I can't imagine the kind of grief I could give myself trying to make every detail perfect. (It does not matter that the original was rife with the imperfections of shooting material after only 2 or 3 rehearsals--in my fan's mind, it is still the ULTIMATE.)
If they are still doing post production, which I think is almost certainly the case, I don't see how there can be a final budget tally yet. The 60 million must cover shooting costs. I don't know about other costs. It's interesting to think that Depp & Burton may have taken major salary cuts to get this out of the gate.
It just may be the glossiest, most high end fan production ever seen to this date.
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I don't really agree, btw, that interest in vampires goes in cycles. It's just that some vampire themed projects get more play than do others. To think about the past three decades, in the Eighties we had The Hunger, Near Dark, Fright Night and The Lost Boys; in the 1990s we had Interview with a Vampire, Bram Stoker's Dracula, the cult series Forever Knight (my personal fave of all of them) and the start of the BTVS craze; in the 2000s there were the projects already referenced plus any number of others.
Margo Adler, NPR reporter and author of the landmark history of US Paganism, Drawing Down the Moon, has a new book out already or imminently on the fascination with vampires. I heard quite a bit of buzz when I was out at the Pagan conference in San Jose last Feb., the Pantheacon. Interesting stuff.
I don't think there is any danger that people will fail to go see DS because they're done with vampires. There is a danger that the movie will stink and word of mouth will keep people away in droves. A friend told me that Alice raked in big bucks because it was rated G. I do not see how DS could possibly be rated G.
G!
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I'm also surprised at the $60 M figure. Very cool if they can keep close to that. The film budget does not typically include marketing- this is a question that often comes up on movie/award sites, and it seems that the consensus is pretty strong on that. But I think that it is supposed to cover post-production, at least for what is estimated. I think I've read articles where some film projects end up ballooning way beyond what was estimated, so of course it seems that it's possible for post-production to add much more, but I think they at least try to account for that.
I think that in general, the budgets for Tim's films are rather modest compared with someone like say Jerry Bruckheimer [hall2_grin] Those Pirates films really got out of control, and I'm sure that some folks here have read about the problems getting Johnny's Lone Ranger underway (and that is also a Disney/Bruckheimer film directed by Gore Verbinski, who is also a big spender). In these cases, they cited locations as getting very expensive, especially when there are so many locations-- some of the Lone Ranger budget was cut when they simply streamlined the filming schedule so as not to have to go back and forth so much and keep a lot of crew on hand waiting in one location (to which I'd say, duh, you'd think that'd be obvious!) All to say, even though DS had a few locations, so much of it was filmed in the studio that that might actually save money, even if they have to build a lot of elaborate sets.
I seemed to recall the Sweeney Todd budget being surprisingly low, and since I have a whole section of my music-related Depp website devoted to Sweeney, I referred to it and found this Playbill article that cites a $50 M figure:
http://www.playbill.com/news/article/108819-Filming-of-Tim-Burtons-Sweeney-Todd-Complete
That's pretty unbelievable! (And possibly a bit of a low-ball). But it makes the $60 M for DS sound a little more believable. I'm guessing that as a producer, Johnny was willing to take most of his pay on the back end (that is, any profits after release) and the same might be true of Tim.
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Sleepy Hollow had a budget of $65 M and that was 12 years ago. Interesting that the Sweeney Todd budget was only $50 M.
Speaking of gambles I think the Lone Ranger project is a serious gamble. I just don't see a film like that equalling its huge budget (200+ M). At 60 million DS is a great gamble imo. Again its box office will be helped with a PG-13 rating although I would like to see it rated R.
I agree that the vampire genre is here to stay and that many people still love a good vampire flick. TB has taken on this project knowing fully what the expectations were. I think his heart is in the right place but hopefully the film won't be too much over the top. I have a feeling that TB won't be involved in any sequels mainly because of his other commitments and balancing his schedule with JD's. I am sure there will be a trailer around Christmas time. Can't wait.
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now that's some SWELL company we're keeping! [hall2_wink]
Wow - it's amazing that the release of the Depp/DS film is on a list with all those other events! Thanks so much for sharing the news. [hall2_smiley]
(And the more I thought about it, the more it seemed like the Harper's Bazaar info belonged in this topic rather than on the other board, so that's why I moved/merged it here. [hall2_wink])
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let's not forget that at the end of the day this film is still something of a gamble...
"we" of course will go see it as will diehard depp fans and perhaps fans of the vampire genre but the great masses might not be lining up the the multiplex to see a remake of an old soap opera.
True. And the fact that The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1 made $138,122,261 in its first weekend does prove, as Variety said, "there's plenty of life in the undead." However, as I've said before, I would be thrilled if the Depp/DS film pulls in something like those numbers for its entire US run in theaters. There's no way DS is going to do those numbers in its first week because it's nowhere near as established in the minds of the potential audience as the Twilight films or even the Underworld films are, having already had multiple successful predecessors at the box office.
Something I did find interesting when I just noticed it on boxofficemojo.com is that BD P1's budget was $110 million. That's more along those lines of what I was expecting for DS. But as others have said, shooting mostly in studio definitely helps to cut down on a film's budget - plus it's probably likely that some of the personnel involved in the film took a much smaller upfront salary and are more than likely getting a share of the gross in return for that. Plus DS was completely shoot in England, unlike BD P1, which was shoot in several exotic locales, including Brazil. And to put things in even greater perspective comparitively, the first Twilight movie only cost $37 million to make, so DS' budget is well ahead of that.
Something I also noticed on boxofficemojo.com is that Hugo is only estimated to make $11,350,000 for the five day Thanksgiving weekend. True, it's only playing in about 1200 theaters, whereas its competition is playing in close to three times as many (or even more than three times as many when it comes to BD P1), and that figure is very close to Hugo's projected gross for the weekend, which was $10 to $12 million - but I really do think it shows that even a movie with as prestigious a pedigree as Hugo's and one as highly lauded by critics as Hugo has been is now having a much tougher time at the box office because of the higher cost of 3D tickets and the trending unwillingness of a good portion of the audience to spend extra for 3D. Again, thank heavens DS was not shot in 3D as was initially announced!
And finally, it was mentioned that DS will be in post-production well into next year, so it has months of post-production still ahead. Though that might not have much or even any effect on its budget because, as madscntst mentioned, films tend to anticipate what post-production is going to cost and that's factored into the overall production budget before production even begins. In most cases they rarely go over that estimate - or at least rarely go over it by much.
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mysterious...
i see why you moved/merged the 'bazaar' thread into the main topic but unless i'm missing something the content of the post is gone.
it's unclear what i was talking about. [hall2_huh]
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It's here - it's reply #1645 on page 110. People can either access it by viewing that page or by clicking on the link at the top of the quote in my posted reply here on page 111. [hall2_smiley]
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HBC indicating DS may be impossible to sell.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/12/01/helena-bonham-carter-dark-shadows/
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Hmmm - very interesting. And I have to say I loved hearing much of her description. And I definitely agree that if the film is anything at all like the original DS, as we're hoping it will be, it will be very hard for the studio to categorize because there are so many different types of elements to it.
One thing I definitely don't agree with, and something I doubt most of us would agree with, is her saying that the original DS was "actually a really bad, hilariously bad soap opera." [santa_rolleyes] But we're used to that by now. ::sigh::
And this is the first time I've heard that there's an element of a ghost story to it. I wonder if that means we'll see Josette as a ghost as we often did on the original DS?
Thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [santa_smiley]
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HBC's comments are giving me really mixed messages. I'm still not sold on the theory that the "funny" everybody's talking about is "funny weird". The context in which we hear the word "funny" by the DS personnel gives it more of the "funny ha-ha" meaning. But I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that the "funny" is of the nature of something like the humor in Hitchcock, or the humor in the 1991 DS series, or Piper Laurie's role as Margaret White in Carrie.
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For me the interpretation of the use of the word "funny" to describe the film depends on the context. At times I certainly think the person using the word means the film will be weird or strange. However, in other case they certainly mean funny as in generating laughs. And I certainly think generating laughs is the way HBC meant it in these latest remarks. But we know there are definitely supposed to be funny elements in the script. (How could something like Mrs. Johnson polishing silverware with bologna be for anything but laughs?) But as we've said before, the original show was not without its intentionally humorous moments - and there was certainly intentional humor in the '91 Series. So, humor in the film's script doesn't frighten me so long as the humor is along the same lines as has been done in DS before. Though it probably shouldn't also go without being said that there's always the possibility that what is in the script and what was shot won't all necessarily end up in the film in the same way as the script may have intended it to be. Editing can change the feeling and intent of almost any scene. No one will really know what sort of funny weird or funny ha-ha there will be in the film until we see the finished film...
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Interesting remarks, thanks jimbo. I think that HBC has a bit of a sarcastic, dry-witted manner of talking, so this may just be her way or her style of explaining things. I'm still not worried. I hope that a trailer, which I hope we will see soon, will give us a better taste of the tone.
I don't know many folks here watch American Horror Story, though I think there is a thread about it here somewhere. But if that is anything like the type of humor that we might expect to see with DS, then count me in! The show is very humorous, but very dark and scary, as well. I saw a recent description of Jessica Lange in a forum about that show, that admired how she could go from campy to cruel to heartbroken and vulnerable, sometimes in the same scene. If Depp or Green or some of the others can do that, I'll be a happy camper! [santa_cheesy]
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I agree what you guys are saying. Some of the early comments at this article support the movie.
http://www.deadline.com/2011/12/helena-bonham-carter-on-dark-shadows-its-going-to-be-impossible-to-sell/
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definitely mixed messages(as usual)coming from this cast member...
it's a "soap opera" but also very "subtle" and hopefully "funny". that's alot going on.
nothing about the OS could really be construed as deliberately "funny" subjectwise. it was all pretty deadly serious. yes we could all chime in on a few droll drawing room scenes with roger and liz or julia at her most sardonic and say that it's "funny" but in general the tone was not comedic and we know it.
what COULD arguably be described as being "funny" as we all know is the series' much heralded "camp" value: the flubbed lines. the blatant teleprompter readings. the over the top performances. the dated costuming. the naive and technically primitive special effects.
THAT'S what carter seems to be channelling in some of her remarks about "really bad soap operas". we'll see. i'm still very excited and intrigued by it all but i think some serious camp is coming our way.
incidentally all of these remarks make most of the spoilers we read awhile back...which were quite serious sounding...seem increasingly unlikely. that's seeming like a fraud.
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http://www.deadline.com/2011/12/helena-bonham-carter-on-dark-shadows-its-going-to-be-impossible-to-sell/
More than HBC's thoughts, I enjoyed the comment from "Chris":
"Johnny Depp as a vampire. Hmm. I wonder how they’re going to sell this one."
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My response to her exactly... [santa_cheesy]
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I could be wrong, but I think when HBC said the Depp/DS film will be impossible to sell, she was referring to the studios' desire to categorize their films with one of five single words: action, comedy, drama, horror, romance. Apparently from what we've learned so far, the film has elements of all five, but it doesn't fall easily into any one of the categories - and that fact is going to confound the suits because they like films to be that single word simple to categorize and sell.
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I got a similar vibe from that part of her answer as well, but I think it could extend further into target audience, as well. Who is the studio targeting, and therefore selling this picture to? Maybe that is why we haven't even seen a poster yet... They have no idea what to do with the movie, because they have no idea which demographic it will settle best with - other than just Burton, vampire, DS, and Depp fans! [santa_shocked]
To me, it sounds a lot like a fantasy set in a very real world - realistic fantasy. It does remind me of Scissorhands in this regard.
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I don't think this DS movie is much of a gamble. Depp has dabbled in many genres and his fans have gone to see enough of those films to make him a box office star. There isn't any reason to believe those same fans won't come see him in the DS movie simply because he is in it. I don't think anyone will avoid the movie because it is a re-imagining of an old soap opera or care about that at all if they go see the film. The success of the film, stemming from it being a compelling story would ultimately benefit the fandom because some of those delighted with it and unfamiliar with the origins will do a little research and find the original and revival series, and so on. That's what I am hoping for.
Nancy [santa_tongue]
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I don't know many folks here watch American Horror Story, though I think there is a thread about it here somewhere. But if that is anything like the type of humor that we might expect to see with DS, then count me in!
It's funny that you should bring up the type of humor in American Horror Story because I was just reading a dissection of the latest ep, and the reviewer began with:
Did anyone find this the funniest episode of "American Horror Story" yet? Not exactly laughing at the show, but just the most "black comedy" episode so far?
And as we know, Eva Green has described the humor in the DS film as "black comedy," so you may be on to something. [santa_wink] And like you, if the humor in DS is anything like that in AHS, I'll be all for it as well.
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This article features a remark by Chloe Moretz that doesn't seem to have been included in the other reports.
Check out: Chloë Moretz: Dark Shadows is weirdly funny (http://www.film-news.co.uk/show-news.asp?H=Chloandeuml;-Moretz:-Dark-Shadows-is-weirdly-funny&nItemID=8501)
Her actual remark (as opposed to the title of the article) ties up the whole Is-It Weird-Or-Is-It-Funny? thing with a neat little bow and would seem to answer the question. Well, at least so far as Chloe Moretz interpretation of the question goes.
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And staying with the subject of Chloe Moretz, apparently she's done another cover article for a magazine:
Chloe Moretz Covers 'ASOS' January 2012 (http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/2011/12/01/chloe-moretz-covers-asos-january-2012/)
Though it doesn't seem like she says anything about DS that we haven't already heard (well, unless the reference in the linked article isn't all that she says) - but getting DS out to the demographic that magazine likely appeals to certainly can't hurt because teenage girls are supposedly the demo that spends the most money on going to the movies. [santa_wink]
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The admins have realized that the discussion of the Helena Bonham Carter spoiler interview has really gone beyond what we want to see in this topic because we don't want to see the discussion of spoilers, so all discussion of the interview has been moved to the Depp/DS film's spoiler topic. And we apologize if anyone who may have come across the discussion here in this topic possibly learned about things they would have preferred not to know. [santa_sad]
Also, moving the posts will require the addition of two posts to this topic and they will be dated later than they were originally made. But the move of the discussion of HBC's video to the spoiler topic doesn't allow for us to be able to insert posts into the database with their original dates. So, we also apologize for that - but the original dates the info was posted will be acknowledged in the new posts. [santa_smiley]
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(Originally posted as part of this post:)
An overreaction. http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1213893p1.html
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(Originally posted as part of this post:)
Nancy I agree with what you said. The only gamble I see is the present day being set in 1972. I just think that is an unnecessary gamble IMO
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I was wondering if you all had seen this and what you think about it.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1213893p1.html
Seeing this after the spoiler leak makes me wonder if HBC and TB are having troubles. It's like she's out to make the movie fail.
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There was discussion of this interview over on the main thread about the movie. I don't think their marriage is in trouble; I think Helena is just in love with the sound of her own voice.
Great shot of her scarily working the Michael Jackson hair.
These interviews with HBC remind me of when Grayson and Sam were touring around doing interviews to promote NoDS, and some unfortunate journalist tried to ask Sam to talk about the story of the movie, and Grayson barked: "DON'T give away the ending!"
Clearly, HBC is even in more need of a minder...
G.
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Maybe so. I just don't understand why she would put the original show down before the movie even has a chance.
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I was wondering if you all had seen this and what you think about it.
As you may have seen, jimbo posted the link back on the 2nd. And I agree with jimbo that IGN was overreacting to what HBC said. As we've mentioned here, she makes some valid points in the video interview because the film will be hard to categorize for the various reasons we've mentioned. Though that doesn't mean it will fail. I'm pretty sure the film will find the audience it's intended for...
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Maybe so. I just don't understand why she would put the original show down before the movie even has a chance.
Well, like I said in an earlier post about her remarks, we should be used to people putting down the original show. How often have we seen the original DS described as hilariously bad or words to that effect? Even Burton and Depp pretty much categorized the show that way back when they were publicizing Alice in Wonderland in early 2010 on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross. (Who can forget the whole "flies" discussion on that show? [santa_rolleyes]) But like I also said, some of the things HBC said about the DS film are very interesting and I loved hearing much of her description. It certainly intrigued me.
One thing that is unconscionable about the IGN piece is that they put words in HBC's mouth because nowhere in MTV's video does she say, "I might as well call out the original for being a piece of junk!" [santa_angry] And people who only read their piece are not going to realize that because they quote those words as if she actually said them. But then, how often have we said that some of these sites have no scruples whatsoever?
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When I read her comments yesterday I was upset by them. I've since calmed down. She will now have to work even harder to sell me on her interpretation of Dr Hoffman. From the beginning I didn't think she was right for the JH part. I really haven't seen her in anything that I liked since 'Room With A View'. [santa_evil] She's highly overrated IMO.
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I do believe in Borgosi's comments. I think there is some tension between TB and HBC. I don't see any other logical explanation for her remarks. Pure speculation of course. In hindsight she was wrong for the part and project IMO.
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i'm sorry but speculating about the state of her marriage and personal life because you don't like her remarks about a movie is really crossing a line.
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As I said it it's speculative. However your remark is truly offensive to me.
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I, in no way, wanted to offend anybody. I hope I'm wrong in thinking there could be trouble between HBC and TB. I hope for the best for them and their marrage.
I don't believe that HBC is stupid. I believe that she is smart enough to know what kind of impact she could make on the movie.
I haven't watched the video of the interview, I thought she said those things. Thank you for correcting me.
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Actually, any type of speculation about the state of HBC's relationship with TB violates forum guideline #7:
7. These boards are not forums for the spreading of gossip or innuendo, or the defaming of the DS actors' private lives.
I realize that no one was intentionally meaning to defame them or to stir up gossip about them, but any and all ongoing speculation regarding their private relationship and how it may or may not impact the DS film should be ceased at once. - particularly when there is nothing to back it up but pure speculation.
And as for HBC trying to sabotage the film, I believe that was anything but her intent. As I said, the things she said with regard to the film sounded quite intriguing. And she, as we all are, is entitled to her opinions about the original DS. We may certainly not agree with them, but, as I also said, HBC is hardly the first to say something like what she said. She's not even the first among the DS film's personnel as Depp, Burton and Colleen Atwood have all said similar things. And I highly doubt any of those three intended their remarks to sabotage the film, either.
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For the record I disagree with the Board's position in this matter. This is a discussion board. As cousins here we are free to debate as to the reasons as to why HBC made the comments she made and is open to discussion and speculation. Obviously no one knows why she made those comments. I was offering my opinion as to why she may have made said comments. I think the board has overreacted here. No one here is saying for a fact that the parties had a personal disagreement. She seemed to be in an agitated frame of mind when she made the comments at hand. That is an opinion I made. Her behavior is open to discussion and speculation. However, in the spirit of the board's guidelines I will refrain from further speculation regarding the two parties. On the other hand I expect the Board to protect cousins from offensive statements made by other cousins.
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Noting and commenting on public behavior is one thing, but speculating about what goes on in private is quite another.
I ask that members not make their discussions personal, but as for the expectation that no one get offended, quite honestly, we do our best but I can't and won't ever guarantee that I will see everything written about you before you do.
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Honestly, guideline #7 is in place to protect all members - those who might take offense to any gossiping/speculating about the DS personnel's private lives - and those who might take exception to someone being offended by it. And by everyone refraining from anything resembling such gossiping/speculating, everyone is protected. And none of the guidelines are meant to stifle discussion. But because of what can and does happen in unmoderated venues across the Internet, our guidelines were carefully developed, incorporating situations the admins have witnessed firsthand elsewhere on the Internet, situations addressed by the guidelines of other moderated forums and e-mail lists, and the TOS statements of sites like Yahoo and the old AOL and Prodigy services, all in an effort to prevent such situations - situations that can and do often get out of hand easily in unmoderated situations...
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For the record, I for one am still excited and intrigued to see what HBC does with the role. I've only seen a few of Helena's films. She was wonderful in a film of the Henry James novel, Wings of a Dove, and in a Merchant-Ivory film of the E. M. Forster novel Howard's End. I think she is very good in material with a classical melodramatic edge to it, and to my mind, that makes her admirably suited for this particular project.
But again, time will tell. I won't have an opinion until I have seen the film. Just saying that her participation has become one of the exciting aspects to me (I admit that I was less than enthused initially--and I foresaw her casting in this role long before anyone else I know).
G.
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For me, the irony is that many of the fans who were faulting the movie before they saw it now are annoyed that HBC is dissing a show she's probably not seen in its entirety.
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So if we get a Christmas (teaser) trailer, I assume we would have to have a poster shortly before... Or am I, once again, totally wrong in figuring out the studio's marketing strategy for this film? [santa_shocked]
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I too have seen HBC in Howard's End, which happens to be one of my all time favorite movies. IMO her performance wasn't all that compelling as that of ET and AH. I don't know and don't care what her relationship with her spouse is although I think she doesn't sound very supportive of his love for Dark Shadows..just saying. No diss, just offering an opinion.
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For the record, I for one am still excited and intrigued to see what HBC does with the role.
Same here. I've liked some of her work and won't have an opinion on how she does with the role of Julia until I've seen it.
I don't know why I am surprised by some of the intense reaction to HBC's comments on DS, but I am. I've been around some of the yahoogroups and FB DS pages and plenty of fans took great exception to her feelings about the original show. As MB pointed out, she's hardly the first to say what she did about the series; even people who worked on the show criticized it. Jonathan Frid trashed House of Dark Shadows while it was in the movie theaters (still did a booming business in spite of his public comments). There will always be people who don't like the show for whatever reason. That can be said for any series.
The movie will not be what the series was, obviously so HBC's comments aren't relevant to the movie anyway. People will go see this movie because of Johnny Depp. His movies usually do very well. The genre is hot right now. An actor's negative comments about a show that inspired the movie isn't going to be one iota of difference to anyone as to whether or not to go see the movie.
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KLS is saying on her own FB page that the conversations she and Lara Parker had with HBC on the set of the movie did not reflect anything like what was said in this posted interview.
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Just as people were putting down the new movie before it had a chance and criticizing the casting of HBC before seeing what she even did with the role.
Maybe so. I just don't understand why she would put the original show down before the movie even has a chance.
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KLS is saying on her own FB page that the conversations she and Lara Parker had with HBC on the set of the movie did not reflect anything like what was said in this posted interview.
Now this interests me. I was really wondering if either she or Lara would comment on this. And, now I really want to know where the happy medium lies.
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Well, they were there for perhaps two days.
I realize KLS read the shooting script, but as has been stated several times, the completed film could look very different from that beginning point.
And KLS *always* seems to put the most positive spin possible on any situation... *biting tongue on sarcastic comment*
cheers, G.
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But... What I want to know is how the comments she made to KLS and Lara jar with those ones she made in the interview. She could have just talked about Tim's love for it, I suppose. I'm not entirely sure, but I got the impression she was watching the OS series because she liked it, not for laughs.
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Well, they were there for perhaps two days.
]I just have to speak up!
Lara Parker (Angelique) and I (Josette duPres), who both play cameos in the new Dark Shadows film, are surprised by Helene Bonham-Carter's comments because they do not at all reflect our wonderful conversation with her on the set. She was delightful! She was eager to hear about Grayson Hall, who played Dr. Julia Hoffman, and we were only to happy to tell her about our old friend. Helena and Michelle Pfeiffer were both into watching the original 1,225 episodes and we all laughed about the famous "bloopers" which were indeed "hilariously bad," to use Helene's words. . . however, we take pride in the original series, "bloopers" and all. Our budget for a single episode of the series wouldn't pay for a tea break on the set of the new film! Yet our series has become an enduring classic for over 45 years! The new movie should be an easy sell to the legions of fans who ran home from school to watch the original and the multitudes of young new fans drawn to us each year. If you want to know more, preorder DARK SHADOWS: Return to Collinwood due out with the launch of Dark Shadows.
There, I feel better . . .
Kathryn Leigh Scott
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I didn't take one bit offense to what Helena said. People sometimes say things without thinking about it completely! I know I do sometimes. Geez....I don't think she was trying to be rude at all or hateful. DS was campy and it was cheaply made. We love it. I don't think trying to put the movie down. Like it has been said she and Michelle watched it and got addicted to it. Maybe she was having a bad day.....
I am just excited that Dark Shadows is getting a great new infusion of blood. So an actress said something a little off color. First everyone had a fit over the makeup on the beach and then we all got the EW picture. This isn't attacking anyone on this board but mostly people on FB; I think sometimes this fandom can be so touchy and childish about so many things sometimes.
And I am for one looking forward to her role as Dr. Hoffman. And I am also happy to have rule 7 to protect us all!
And who knows? Maybe Helena meant the production values were "junk" not the acting or storylines. And maybe she just used an unfortunate choice of words. I have done that in that past as well.
I have said my peace amen!
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Midnite, thank you for tracking that down and posting it. [santa_smiley]
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Another DS 2012 star speaks -
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/12/07/michelle-pfeiffer-dark-shadows-sequels/
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needless to say la scott ends this touching tribute to the OS with a pitch for her new book. she's nothing if not consistent. [santa_rolleyes]
she's certainly turning lemons into lemonade as only she can...one of the new film's lead actresses(not to mention wife of it's director who's been intimately involved with it's production since day one)says some unflattering things about it. so to "set the record straight" so to speak order a book from someone who was onset for two days and will likely appear onscreen for less than five seconds.
her motives and enthusiasm for the series are never entirely altruistic. but i'll give her full credit. she's really maximized her association with DS to it's fullest extent. [santa_wink]
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Dark Shadows a hard sell? IMHO if Dan Curtis had to sell the TV to the network based on what it became, a soap with vampires, werewolves, ghost, and PT time they would have laughed at him. Of couse it's a hard sell, it's was the only show of it's kind. That's why it's still watched today.
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thanks nancy. interesting remarks. [spoiler]some of the "spoilers" we've gotten thus far are promising some casualties. it would already appear that doctor hoffman bites the dust in the new film. so pfieffer's hope for sequels would imply that elizabeth makes it out alive.[/spoiler]
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needless to say la scott ends this touching tribute to the OS with a pitch for her new book. she's nothing if not consistent. [santa_rolleyes]
That was my favorite part of the post. [santa_grin]
her motives and enthusiasm for the series are never entirely altruistic. but i'll give her full credit. she's really maximized her association with DS to it's fullest extent. [santa_wink]
There are people in the business who should take lessons. [santa_thumb]
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That baffles me as well, Borgosi. The new DS movie will be marketed to the horror/goth movie audience, which is substantial. The legion of Depp/Burton fans will go see it. They have made odd movies that wound up doing fairly well. I would not have any idea on how to market a film like "Ed Wood" but it did find its audience. The movie can't be easily catergorized but odd does sell, especially the Depp/Burton brand of odd.
nancy
Dark Shadows a hard sell? IMHO if Dan Curtis had to sell the TV to the network based on what it became, a soap with vampires, werewolves, ghost, and PT time they would have laughed at him. Of couse it's a hard sell, it's was the only show of it's kind. That's why it's still watched today.
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I am upset by the spoiler!! UGH!!!! Is that a confirmed spoiler about Dr. H??? [santa_angry]
I also want to say that if I was a bit harsh in my post please I want to apologize. I am just really looking forward to the infusion DS is receiving. I recently purchased the comic book and loved it. Although, I hope we get different artist. No offense but didn't care for the artist drawings. I guess the art in the Charmed comics looks so much like Holly, Alyssa and Rose that I am spoiled. I did think some of the artist renderings were good but not the majority. I however, do like the storyline. Sorry for getting a bit off topic...
I hope you guys know I love you all and again if I sounded brash or harsh I didn't not mean to be. I was just aggravated at some of the posts on Facebook. Thankfully there is now an unsubscribe so I can be friends with people and not have to listen to all the negativity! And btw....I am not talking about anyone on this board.
Much love to you all and I am glad to be back!
Now on topic of the movie. It was great to hear Michelle talk about the movie and the fact that she hopes there are sequels. I have championed her from day one. I think she is going to be a great Elizabeth Collins Stoddard! :)
Also great one about La KLS. She plugs like no body's business...
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well that didn't take long...
over on facebook a group of...you guessed it..."real fans" have started a HBC hate group.
how embarrassing and sad.
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Wow. I keep hoping that DS fans won't behave like complete mental cases in public... and I keep getting disappointed. This pace certain "real fans" forming an HBC "hate group" over on F-book. Shouldn't something like that be illegal?
It makes me wonder whether some of the people in that group dress up like Elizabeth Collins Stoddard to go to work every day and board the bus announcing to all and sundry "I am the Mistress of Collinwood" (if you've seen the movie Trekkers, you'll know what I am talking about).
Football widows kvetch about football sometimes. I'm sure HBC has had years of Johnny and Tim holing up in the living room to run DS marathons from time to time.
It means absolutely nothing about the film, the quality of her performance, her commitment to the project (it actually sounded to me as if she loved working on it), or the price of scones in London today.
And I feel like an idiot for needing to write this. Sheesh.
G.
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unsurprisingly this group of "real fans" is largely populated by people operating under the pseudonyms of DS characters.
marie wallace and kathy cody have wisely made the decision to stop accepting "friend requests" from people using false identities.
unfortunately like most fandoms there is a highly disturbed underbelly to DS. it very rarely rears it's head at this fine board but it's out here and ms. carter's comments have triggered an outcry.
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The Michelle Pfeiffer interview was very refreshing. It was very nice hearing her describe the experience - and I do hope this means that Liz makes it out alive and well. [santa_smiley]
As for the HBC hate group... I would suggest to these individuals that they find one of the multitudes of worthy causes out there and dedicate their time and energies to that. [santa_wink]
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I think that anything that has a "fandom" following has extreme fans that get out of control like these "real" fans have. I think we should expect this kind of reaction from them. I see no reason to take it personal. They may even cause some people that have never seen the OS to watch it just to see what all the talk is about.
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There is a FB page I was invited to join called Dark Shadows 2012 and the members of the group are fans of all ages who think many other fans have overreacted to HBC and other things since the movie was announced. The members enjoy being able to talk about the movie without the atmosphere of hysteria that pervades some other pages, much like the one you describe below.
Nancy
over on facebook a group of...you guessed it..."real fans" have started a HBC hate group.
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Yet another of your posts I heartily agree with, Cousin Barnabas. It's one thing to kick back and discuss topics related to the show we all love, including the new movie, but quite another to organize a negative group for the purpose of negative discussion all because an actress involved with the new DS movie didn't care much for the original series. It does boggle the mind. Why not use the negative energy for something else indeed.
The Michelle Pfeiffer interview was very refreshing. It was very nice hearing her describe the experience - and I do hope this means that Liz makes it out alive and well. [santa_smiley]
As for the HBC hate group... I would suggest to these individuals that they find one of the multitudes of worthy causes out there and dedicate their time and energies to that. [santa_wink]
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Thanks for the info about the fb page, Nancy- I might check that out. I belong to one of the larger ones but rarely check it out anymore because there is so much whining.
I don't mind people criticizing HBC or other aspects of the film. Many opinions are very interesting to hear even if I don't always agree. But there is a difference between criticism and hate, and some folks seem to be getting so bent out of shape without realizing that the original series isn't going anywhere, and it will never be negated by the film, no matter what.
As for HBC, maybe because I've seen some of her other interviews, it didn't bother me that much. I'm kind of used to the sarcastic spin she tends to put on everything. I actually did think she made a mistake in saying some of the things she did on camera, and not too surprised that folks would criticize that, but I am surprised that people reacted as strongly as they did. Glad Michelle has weighed in to show a more cheerful perspective, and that KLS is out there making a pitch for the film and for her book [santa_wink]
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Exactly, Cathy. I thought that tone and temper had a lot to do with what Helena said, and one always has to take into account the classic British tradition of "taking the piss" (making sarcastic fun even of one's nearest and dearest), of which she is clearly a mistress.
If you listen to both interviews, she is really saying that the new movie is extraordinary, even by Tim Burton's standards. She said it is very subtle. I remember in an interview before the filming started she commented on how unusual it was going to be because the focus was overwhelmingly going to be on interactions between actors, as opposed to big box FX sequences.
In her own mind she may have been saying that DS was a "so bad it's good" cult classic. As MB and others have commented, we're used to hearing this from others, including the stars of the original series.
I remember at a Brooklyn festival a few years ago, there was a moment where Selby and Karlen sat while a clip sequence played of their scenes together on the series (mostly Desmond and Quentin from 1840). I remember Selby saying something like "that dialogue! Sam Hall, you have a lot to answer for!" But then subsequently he stated: "I'm really amazed at how good this is." It was his first time seeing the show, apparently, in many years.
G.
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What still continues to baffle me is how some fans believe HBC has said negative things about the film when so far as I can tell, she hasn't said a one. In fact, she's said things like she loved working on the film, she loved her role as Julia, and she's really hoping the finished film turns out well. OK - she made one offhanded remark that the original series is "hilariously bad" - but she's also said other complimentary things about the original (though granted. many of them have been relayed through KLS). So why focus on that one remark to the exclusion of everything else HBC has said. I've touched on this before when other derogatory remarks have cropped up, but fans should really take what's said by Burton, Depp, HBC, et al. as a whole because that's what really gives the true picture of their feelings. Given the reasoning the FB hate group is employing against HBC, there should also be FB hate groups against both Burton and Depp for offhanded remarks that they've made against the original series. But we're not seeing them. So why single out HBC when these same fans would seem to have forgiven/forgotten what Burton and Depp have said? The logic escapes me. [santa_undecided]
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For me, the irony is that many of the fans who were faulting the movie before they saw it now are annoyed that HBC is dissing a show she's probably not seen in its entirety.
That would seem to be amazingly ironic as well as quite sad. [santa_sad]
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Another DS 2012 star speaks -
A very nice interview. Thanks so much for sharing the link, Nancy. [santa_smiley]
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There was one or two of those back when the movie was first announced. I don't know if they are still around or not but they were in existence for a time.
It baffles me too that KLS took umbrage over HBC' remarks, and claims Lara Parker did as well. Both of them have at festivals talked about the bad elements of DS, even talking about actors on the show they claimed were bad actors. Jonathan Frid has said same thing HBC said. What is the big deal?
Nancy
Given the reasoning the FB hate group is employing against HBC, there should also be FB hate groups against both Burton and Depp for offhanded remarks that they've made against the original series. But we're not seeing them. So why single out HBC when these same fans would seem to have forgiven/forgotten what Burton and Depp have said? The logic escapes me. [santa_undecided]
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There was one or two of those back when the movie was first announced. I don't know if they are still around or not but they were in existence for a time.
I stand corrected then. Though to me, having hate groups for Burton and Depp back then makes even less sense than if they had them now - and having one for HBC now. [santa_undecided]
It baffles me too that KLS took umbrage over HBC' remarks, and claims Lara Parker did as well. Both of them have at festivals talked about the bad elements of DS, even talking about actors on the show they claimed were bad actors. Jonathan Frid has said same thing HBC said. What is the big deal?
Exactly. So by that standard I suppose that means that either practically everyone involved with DS should have a FB hate group against them or not one of them should. The latter certainly makes the most sense to me...
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Also, Frid and Edmonds both said at fests and in the press they think there is something wrong with fans who are obsessed with bloopers. I don't see hate groups against them for "insulting fans." I think fans who fall into the category of being fascinated with bloopers take such criticism seriously and don't have ill feelings towards the DS actors who say such things. It all comes down to if you are looking for a reason to be offended because only can logic be dismissed since it never had a role to play to start with. [santa_thumb]
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I tried to modify my previous post to add something but evidently I didn't do it in time -
One example comes to mind similar to this whole HBC business -
Back in 1987 or so, Jonathan Frid was interviewed while on a national tour of "Arsenic and Old Lace." During the interview, while talking about DS, he told the reviewer those fans who were into the occult should be "spanked and sent off to find something better to do." I was flabbergasted when the sh&t hit the fan on that one. But it really did. OMG, I can't even begin to tell you . . .
The full quote was in reference to a question about people into the occult as in practicing it (which most DS fans do not seem to be). Frid's reply was clearly referencing people into the occult, not people who watched DS. But many fans read otherwise. It's as if they by-passed his specific reference to the occult and its practice. I remember reading the interview over and over and trying to figure out how anyone thought he was knocking fans who watched DS. Are fans oversensitive about what they love because it gets knocked elsewhere? I don't know. I suppose if you are a fan who has to treat your love of a TV show as a dirty little secret, maybe that creates a sense of over-defensiveness - I don't know. I remember Frid was surprised that his remark was taken to mean what it did because the context of comment was included in the printed interview. [santa_shocked]
Go figure.
This business with HBC conjures up such memories and curiousities as to why some things will offend a fan and something else will not. [santa_undecided]
Nancy
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I suppose if you are a fan who has to treat your love of a TV show as a dirty little secret, maybe that creates a sense of over-defensiveness - I don't know.
This is a really interesting observation, Nancy. I guess these fans are deciding to take a cue from the DS playbook. They are putting themselves in the role of Barnabas Collins. And the show, to them, fills the part of Angelique. Talk about overdoing it! [santa_grin]
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Kathleen Cody has two FB pages and is upset that HBC called the OS DS "junk."
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Kathleen Cody has two FB pages and is upset that HBC called the OS DS "junk."
And here we go. I swear that IGN.com is at least half responsible for everything that's going on because HBC never said that in the video interview. As I said in a previous post, IGN.com put those words in her mouth by presenting them as a quote in their article. [santa_angry] And anyone who hasn't watched the video and who has simply read IGN.com's article would never know that.
Hopefully someone who belongs to her FB page will point that out to Kathleen Cody...
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indeed the squawk over at FB is hitting a fever pitch...
it's this type of fanaticism that gives DS...and fandom in general...the worst possible reputation.
i've decided to stay out of the fray completely. since i use FB under my actual identity not the guise of some fictitious character i don't want to set myself up for the least bit of aggravation.
an actress made some off-the-cuff remarks about an old television show. it's not that big a deal. i'm surprised cody has thrown herself into the muck with such vigor. it's not like she really has anything at stake here.
i think the whole thing will blow over in a few days. think of the fit that was pitched when depp was photographed heavily made up. [santa_rolleyes]
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The misquote has been pointed out to Ms Cody a few times but she is still using it
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Well, frankly I don't know what to think about someone who prefers to accept, not even a misquote, but a made up quote as real even after they've been told it isn't. [santa_undecided] Though as has been pointed out, there doesn't seem to be any logic whatsoever in what's going on with the HBC situation. And the whole thing has become beyond sad. The only thing one can hope is that, as you said, Nancy, it will have run its course in a few days...
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I pointed out the misquote but Kathy believes HBC said it anyway despite the fact that when you read the article, it is clearly the author jumping to that conclusion based on what HBC DID say. But whatever. :)
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I will say it again. There is some cooks in fandom......that's all.
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It's mind-numbing and this kind of attitude is how many really serious, world-shaking conflicts start. Fortunately, none of this is ultimately that important.
Well, frankly I don't know what to think about someone who prefers to accept, not even a misquote, but a made up quote as real even after they've been told it isn't. [santa_undecided]
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I'm sad about Ms. Cody not believing what has been pointed out to her. It sounds like she is hurt by what she believes is true, and maybe it's just hard to get beyond that. But it's true that so often, gossip and lies keep getting perpetuated and exaggerated on the internet. It's off-topic but some of you may have seen another huge lie going on in the gossip sites right now regarding Johnny and a recent musical participation, and just about every single detail is incorrect! Very aggravating, but all one can do is try to offer the truth and hope it eventually gets out there (if anyone is interested in what I'm referring to, PM me).
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From The Interesting But Hardly Surprising Department:
Apparently Fandango posted a survey asking their users what films they're most anticipating in 2012. They received thousands of responses (according to Deadline.com) and the sorted results by gender are as follows:
Men: 1. The Hobbit; 2. The Avengers; 3. The Dark Knight Rises; 4. The Bourne Legacy; 5. Men in Black III.
Women: 1. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, Part 2; 2. The Hunger Games; 3. The Hobbit; 4. Dark Shadows; 5. The Avengers.
Great to see DS on the list - though it's hardly surprising that it shows up on the women's list but not the men's. As I've said many times, the DS film is going to be something that will appeal primarily to women, and it's going to be harder to attract men to the film who aren't already Depp and/or DS fans. And once the trailers come out (whenever the hell that should be), it's going to be extremely interesting to see how Warner Brothers might try to market the film to men...
To read more about the survey, check out:
Survey Says "The Hobbit," "The Avengers" Are 2 Of 2012's Most Anticipated Movies; What Are Yours? (http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/survey-says-the-hobbit-the-avengers-are-2-of-2012s-most-anticipated-movies-what-are-yours-survey)
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Hopefully, men will still be very interested in seeing DS, too! It's just that the men's Top Five are all high profile action-ey blockbusters that are understandably highly anticipated. Heck, I want to see the men's #1 and #3 too! And even the others if they get good reviews- I loved the other Bournes. (Whereas I have zero interest in the women's #1, so there! [santa_cheesy] )
Cathy
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'Dark Shadows': Johnny Depp, Vampires, Spooky First Looks In 2011
We relive the best moments of the year as production on Tim Burton's 2012 adaptation finally kicked off. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1675703/dark-shadows-johnny-depp-tim-burton.jhtml)
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It would be such a nice Christmas gift if we were to get a trailer soon! Aww.....:) I cannot wait till May 12!
PS...I think Michelle is just as classy as Joan and Jean. :) Again I was rooting for her when people on FB were saying she was too young. When in fact she was very close to Joan's age when she started. And I am so proud of myself for staying away from spoilers. I want to know nothing although I possibly do not something (accidentally) that upsets me. I hope it ends up no being true. Of course with DS anything can change...
Merry Christmas you guys! LOVE Y'ALL! :)
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as predicted all of the chatter over HBC's remarks seems to have died down considerably. at least on FB.
the FB page hasn't added any new members in days and posting there has virtually stopped. there is only so long one can spin out on something of this nature. cody hasn't had much further to say either.
hopefully this chapter is coming to it's conclusion.
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Hey guys...I obtained the new SOAP OPERA DIGEST because of OLTL special. I used to watch it years ago but I am sentimental about soaps and iconic shows that have been on for years and I usually collect stuff and tape the final episodes. I did this with AMC although I never watched any eps. All that aside in the WHERE ARE THEY NOW? section it features David Selby and talks about him appearing the the movie. ENJOY
I had to make it very small to fit here. I suggest downloading it! :)
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Sorry guys...I try to modify. I hope it's big enough. If not maybe MB can fix it. If you need the original please let me know! :) I tried. He talks about the movie a lot. :)
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Great find, Taeylor!
I stumbled across this article (from Manila) which suggests that Dark Shadows is a "potential franchise-starter". Not much more than that, but it is good to see this still being mentioned.
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/344559/dark-knight-rises-the-hobbit-lead-warners-2012-lineup (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/344559/dark-knight-rises-the-hobbit-lead-warners-2012-lineup)
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It's also nice to see that they think DS is a surefire bet. [santa_wink]
Thanks for posting the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [santa_smiley]
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There should be absolutely no excuse for the slip up in this article:
Best Bets (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57340641-10391698/best-bets-the-iron-lady-survivor-finale-and-a-crime-thriller-from-norway/)
Especially when the news outlet is CBSNEWS. But that being said, the idea of a[spoiler]Sherlock Holmes/Dark Shadows[/spoiler]crossover is definitely one that I would find quite appealing. [santa_wink]
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It's nice to see that the author of this article about the Fandango survey also has DS on her list of the most anticipated movies of 2012:
Popcorn & Prejudice: A Movie Blog - Most anticipated movies of 2012 (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/popcornprejudiceamovieblog/2016975347_most_anticipated_movies_of_201.html?prmid=head_main)
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I think someone mentioned sequels and aging. I don't think it would be that difficult. Makeup, lighting etc. can do wonders. Also Michelle and Depp are doing fine in their aging at this point. I can see Michelle even more regal in her late 50's!! And I think this may be one of the reasons they made Carolyn younger to possibly deal with different points of growth in her life. Bella Heatcote will age but she is so young they could defiantly show different points in her life as well as a growing young woman. David will age as well but again, different parts on ones life can be fascinating. And mainly, it would be fine for anyone to age besides Johnny and the way he looks as Barnabas I can see him being able to pull that off for at least 10 years?? JF did so in almost 5 years and pretty much looked the same when the show ended. Maybe a bit more worn under the eyes because of the heavy work load. And we all know if the stars would have not been on flat video tape and had movie lighting they would have all appeared younger. As for Star Trek; it didn't have the advantage of having a mix of an old and young cast. And then their is quietly getting an eye lift as an option too as we know made a certain red head look ten years younger....it's public knowledge so I hope that was okay! [8_2_59]
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I see where The Amazing Spider-Man now has a teaser poster and The Dark Knight Rises has yet another poster. But we're not jealous. No - not at all! After all, who wants to see anything like posters and/or trailers? What fun would that be?! It would ruin all the speculating over how DS might be marketed. Not to mention it might answer some of the storyline questions we still have. It's so much more fun to remain almost completely in the dark - exactly where Burton & Company want us. [santa_wink]
But seriously, I said this months ago, but it's even truer now: every day that goes by actually does bring us closer to seeing posters and trailers. We just have to make sure we don't die of anticipation before then because who knows how much longer a wait we have?! [santa_grin]
And speaking of TASM's teaser poster, I love the first comment to this article about it:
'The Amazing Spider-Man' poster revealed (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/12/the-amazing-spider-man-poster-revealed.html)
We share your pain, Dan.
Oh, wait - what am I saying?! No we don't! For a minute there I forgot that it's so much more fun to remain almost completely in the dark. [santa_cheesy]
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it's public knowledge so I hope that was okay!
What makes it okay is that it's discussed in her published biography. [santa_smiley]
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I'm very surprised there is not a trailer or poster at this point. I really thought there would be by now.
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A trailer, I can (sort of) understand. What has me stunned is the fact that there is no poster. You'd think there would be one in time for the Christmas releases... There is still hope! [8_2_74]
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"Josette, Josette, you have come back to me!"
New image of Josette was posted over at IMDB!
http://www.bscine.com/2011/12/updates-from-the-set-mike-valentine-bsc/ (http://www.bscine.com/2011/12/updates-from-the-set-mike-valentine-bsc/)
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Ooooo - excellent. At least we're getting something. [santa_thumb] And I'll take each and every production photo anyone wants to share.
Thanks so much for the link, Cousin_Barnabas! [santa_smiley]
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Whoa, excellent find, thanks so much Cousin_Barnabas! [8_2_59] So...underwater, eh? [8_2_74]
I'm also a little surprised we haven't gotten at least a teaser poster or a teaser trailer by now. (That is, for a trailer, something that is maybe 30 seconds rather than 2 minutes, and for a poster something like the first poster we got of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory where we only saw Willy Wonka's smile beneath the hat that is covering most of his face). I remember thinking that it would make sense for a teaser to come out with one of the films coming out just before Christmas, but now that we're at that time of year, we're running out of films that would seem to be a good fit for a DS trailer. I'm still holding out a tiny hope, though. Maybe this photo is a sign that something more will surface soon :crosses fingers:
Cathy
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So the part of the Little Mermaid is now being played by Josette duPres? Seriously, it's good to see something and maybe this will up the spooky factor
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so i guess we can assume that josette "takes the big dip" so to speak...
i suppose it really wouldn't be DS without this element.
i don't suppose they'd subject heathcote to this underwater filming. so one can assume it's her stunt double? maybe?
interesting description of the specter. i wonder if it's accurate or just the writer's interpretation.
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Michelle Pfeiffer was a fan of the original show...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaByd9iCdQE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaByd9iCdQE)
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DS places on the following list of the Top 5 2012 movies most worthy of set-stalking and high anticipation:
Best Set-Stalking Of 2011 (http://sarahevekelly.com/dark-knight-rises-more-best-set-stalking-of-2011/)
"Our excitement for “Dark Shadows” is at an all-time high, and it’ll get even higher when we finally see a trailer."
Gee, ya think? [santa_wink]
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Michelle Pfeiffer was a fan of the original show...
Thanks so much for posting the link to this video, Cousin_Barnabas. [santa_smiley] That's one show that I have not been recording regularly just in case something DS-related pops up, so I completely missed it. Michelle Pfeiffer has been promoting New Year's Eve on all sorts of entertainment shows in the past week or so, but Live with Kelly seems to be the only one on which she was asked about DS. And wouldn't you know that's the one I missed. But thanks to you, now we can all see it. [santa_thumb]
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They just released the trailer for Expendables 2 and that movie is coming out next August! I hope we get a DS trailer in the next day or so. A belated thanks to Cousin_ Barnabas for the new DS production photo. A wonderful find.
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My theory about the trailer, such as it is: I do not know whether the studios still have the habit of releasing mega blockbusters on the actual date of Xmas Day, but if they do, and the WB has one of those in the wings, the trailer may be showcased at that premiere.
I could of course be wrong... Burton is clearly treating this project with kid gloves... as would I, if I had been given a blank check to create my very own version of my all time favorite show!
G.
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You could be right Gothick. Just wondering if the studios have to ship the trailers to each theatre or is everything digital because I think word would have gotten out if it is the former (assuming the trailer hits on or about Christmas which is only 11 days away). Also wondering if the TPTB are having creative differences as to how the movie is going to be marketed. I am hoping we hear something regarding the trailer any minute.
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It would be a bit ironic if we got a trailer when it was time for post # 1966 or 1972 to come around...
[8_2_77]
1772 or 1795 would also be acceptable. [santa_wink]
So, I won't fret until we pass all of those thresholds. It's my new coping strategy. [8_2_81]
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Apparently release dates have changed for some films. It appears as if Battleship has moved back a week - probably good if it's hoping to draw from the Avengers audience.
Shadows is now competing with The Dictator (A Sasha Baron Cohen film, like Borat) which is probably not the audience Shadows is aiming for. [santa_wink] But, What to Expect When You're Expecting is also a release that weekend. This one is going to appeal to women.
The male audience will be split between Avengers and Dictator, methinks. The Dictator could draw large numbers. Adult women may give a boost to What to Expect. And this is why the rating for Shadows is key. If it's PG-13, familes, who are not going to the Avengers, will probably end up in Shadows. The fact that it's Mother's Day weekend could help Shadows if there are a lot of moms who want to revisit their favorite old show.
Any thoughts on this?
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The way I see things The Avengers (May 4th) is going to have legs no matter what DS is rated. I think Battleship (May 18) is going to be huge especially in the male category. Then you have MIB3 May 25th which I am guessing will be big but perhaps not as big as predicted. Now specifically for the week of DS' release (May 11th) I don't think The Dictator is going to be a huge hit but will most likely be male driven. I expect DS to dominate over The Dictator and What to Expect with the adult woman audience. I think the adult male audience will be better than expected for the DS movie no matter what DS is rated. But you do raise a good question asking where the people who saw The Avengers the week before will be flocking to which movie the next week. I just think DS will dominate the box office that weekend no matter its rating. No matter how you look at the big picture, the competition is stiff. http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/release.php
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The Battleship and What to Expect When You're Expecting trailers have just been released. Hopefully DS is next.
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I'm still of the mind that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Marvel's The Avengers repeats at #1 for the weekend DS opens, which would mean the highest DS could place would be at #2.
As for What To Expect When You're Expecting, it's going to be really interesting to see how that does. In general comedies that are strongly female driven have not been doing well - Bridesmaids being an exception. And Cameron Diaz' movies have not been drawing like they once did. It may all come down to the sweet vs. raunch factor in the movie. I know nothing about the movie's plot. However, if it's more raunchy than sweet, the movie could potentially do well. But if it's more or all on the sweet side, it's anyone guess how it will do because a lot of those types of films have been practically DOA lately...
Also, a lot is going to depend on how DS is marketed, and in this case, how it's marketed to women. The interesting thing so far is that on the most anticipated lists that we've seen WTEWYE has been nowhere to be seen...
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The Battleship and What to Expect When You're Expecting trailers have just been released. Hopefully DS is next.
We should only be so lucky. But just as has worked out with posters, just because trailers have come out for several of the films that will be released around the same time that DS will be, it doesn't necessarily follow that the trailer for DS is any closer to being released. [santa_cry]
IF Warner Brothers wanted to tie a DS trailer to one of their holiday releases, there are only two possibilities: Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows and Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. However, ELaIC is only opening in limited release on Christmas Day so that it can qualify for Oscars (though given that it was just completely ignored by the Golden Globes, who knows what its chances for any nominations are?) - and its subject matter of a boy searching NYC for the lock that matches a mysterious key left behind by his father, who died in the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 may not be any sort of fit for the same audience that DS would appeal to. So, that leaves SH: AGoS - and that opens today. So unless a trailer for DS has been released with it and we just have yet to hear, I would say there hasn't been a trailer released with it.
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Not exactly what we are looking for right now but here is another poll from MTV. I am still waiting for its Friday DS article. http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/12/16/breaking-dawn-most-anticipated-movie-of-2012/
MB I think DS has a real good chance of beating The Avengers movie in its first week of release. I don't think you can rule out how hot the vampire genre is. And if we could get Twilight fans to show up.... As you said how the movie is marketed will be key.
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Any poll where TDKR as DS are tied is a good poll. [santa_grin] Thanks for the link, jimbo.
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Well, DS is not longer tied - but it is close to TDKR:
"The Hunger Games" 52.32%
"The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2" 36.93%
"The Dark Knight Rises" 2.57%
"The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" 2.26%
"Dark Shadows" 2.25%
"Snow White and the Huntsman" 1.97%
"The Avengers" 0.98%
"The Amazing Spider-Man" 0.51%
"Skyfall" 0.17%
"Prometheus" 0.05%
I have a distinct feeling that the majority of people voting in this poll are young women because The Hunger Games and The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2 are films that already have or whose book already has a huge young female following - whereas the male appeal films are getting a poor showing.
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What makes it okay is that it's discussed in her published biography. [santa_smiley]
I figured as much Midnite; however, I always try to be aware and careful about the rules and regulations. I think it's a privilege to have somewhere to discuss DS drama free with great moderators and DS fans. :)
Thank you very much though! :)
Loved the underwater Picture. Thanks a lot guys!
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Wow - I just checked the poll, and not only did DS climb up a full percent, it's practically a full percent higher than TDKR:
"The Hunger Games" 51.05%
"The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2" 37.1%
"Dark Shadows" 3.26%
"Snow White and the Huntsman" 2.53%
"The Dark Knight Rises" 2.28%
"The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" 2.11%
"The Avengers" 1.02%
"The Amazing Spider-Man" 0.45%
"Skyfall" 0.15%
"Prometheus" 0.05%
It's also very odd that The Avengers is so low considering that on Fandango's survey it appeared on both the men's and the women's lists. But then, as I said, this would seem to be a poll with mostly young women voting, and I guess they're not into that film as much as older women would seem to be...
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I just checked the poll, and DS has moved up another percent:
"The Hunger Games" 46.27%
"The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2" 40.8%
"Dark Shadows" 4.28%
"Snow White and the Huntsman" 2.9%
"The Dark Knight Rises" 1.9%
"The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" 1.79%
"The Avengers" 0.99%
"Skyfall" 0.63%
"The Amazing Spider-Man" 0.39%
"Prometheus" 0.05%
DS, TTS:BD-P2, SWaTH and Skyfall (though that one doesn't even have a full percent) are the only ones that have gone up since last I checked. And it'll be interesting to see if voting in the poll lasts long enough for TTS:BD-P2 to possibly overtake THG...
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Well, I see that not only has DS gone up almost another full percent, even though SWaTH also went up, DS has extended its lead over that film by more that 2%:
"The Hunger Games" 44.97%
"The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2" 41.32%
"Dark Shadows" 5.12%
"Snow White and the Huntsman" 3%
"The Dark Knight Rises" 1.83%
"The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" 1.71%
"The Avengers" 1.05%
"Skyfall" 0.58%
"The Amazing Spider-Man" 0.36%
"Prometheus" 0.05%
And THG continues to fall, while TTS:BD-P2 continues to climb...
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Well, it's happened: TTS:BD-P2 has overtaken THG:
"The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2" 43.06%
"The Hunger Games" 42.54%
"Dark Shadows" 6.3%
"Snow White and the Huntsman" 3.11%
"The Dark Knight Rises" 1.63%
"The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" 1.55%
"The Avengers" 0.93%
"Skyfall" 0.51%
"The Amazing Spider-Man" 0.32%
"Prometheus" 0.04%
But the more interesting thing from our POV is obviously that DS has jumped up more than another full percent and now has a percentage that's more than twice that of SWaTH. Though as has been proven tonight already, anything can happen in that poll, so who knows how long any of the current standings will last?
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What truly amazes me is the fact that a film that has zero publicity can garner so many votes... How do people know about this thing? [santa_cheesy]
Thanks for keeping us updated, MB!
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Well, MTV's Web site has done numerous articles on DS, so that may be how MTV's regular visitors know. And, of course, there's the link to the poll that was posted here by jimbo. And perhaps the link has also been posted on other DS sites. [santa_smiley]
One thing I keep forgetting to mention is that apparently one can vote numerous times in MTV's polls, so once again the results aren't as valid as I would like them to be. But even at that, it's still nice to see DS currently leading the films in the NTHGOTTSBDP2* category. [santa_thumb]
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(* Not-The-Hunger-Games-Or-The-Twilight-Saga:-Breaking-Dawn-Part-2)
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So the DS Fandom is polluting the waters, eh? [santa_evil]
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What on earth is the hunger games? Surprising to see it getting more play than the Avengers and the Dark Knight's erector-set.
I am amazed at how much buzz there is around Depp Shadows as well. For it to be so much in the air, given how heavily hyped other projects on sched for next year are... that's pretty remarkable.
G.
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Hmmm - I just looked in on the poll and seemingly my thoughts about it not being all that valid have come into play big time because apparently someone used some of that poll voting software that I mentioned in connection to the results in the previous poll because THG shot back up to 47% - and that would have been pretty much impossible to have happened by people simply voting the normal way because it would have taken thousands of votes in only a little more than an hour's time.
Interestingly, when I tried to refresh the results after my first viewing, the entire poll disappeared. Who knows if MTV has taken it down because of poll stuffing, or if the poll simply crashed because of the stuffing. But either way, I did notice that DS had fallen down to 5.33% (and TTS:BD-p2 had fallen down to 40%) because so many THG votes were cast. Apparently these people who use that sort of voting software will never learn that all they really manage to do is ruin things for the rest of us. [santa_angry]
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I see that there's now a message that the poll is closed. But there's no results. So, who knows what happened? But I strongly suspect that it might have crashed.
Well, even though its percentage had fallen due to what was going on with THG's voting, at least DS was still at #3. And considering that it would certainly seem like something underhanded was going on with the voting for THG, that may be even more significant than it seems because, with a percentage of 5.33%, obviously no one was using voting software for DS, so its votes were all real votes.
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Hmmm - even though the following article was posted on the 15th, I didn't receive a Google Alert for it until today. But better late than never, I suppose. Check out what Michelle Pfeiffer has to say about DS down in the 4th quarter of the article:
Efron, Pfeiffer reunite to ring in 2012 early (http://www.detnews.com/article/20111215/ENT02/112150325/Efron-Pfeiffer-reunite-ring-2012-early?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s)
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What I think is odd about all of this is the distinct split we have in the "feel" of the interviews. Take for example Eva Green and HBC, neither of whom were fans of the original. Their interviews all have a certain "feel" to them. They use words like "funny" and "hard to explain", etc. And then we hear from people like Johnny Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer, who were fans, and the interviews cast a different light on the project. They emote a lot of excitement about the project and the original show. I don't know if the difference is due to nationality or how they viewed the project, but, for me, it's extremely comforting to hear from people like Michelle Pfeiffer. Her sense of nostalgia for the original probably clouds her perception of this project a bit, but it is comforting nonetheless.
I would have loved to have seen the on-set dynamic. There has to be a middle ground in the descriptions, and I think that is going to pan itself out in the final film. Perhaps this is another reason that we haven't received a trailer yet - because Tim and Warners can't agree on the feel needed for the marketing of the film. All in all, the whole thing sounds very complex, and that has me intrigued.
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interesting observation cb...
moretz's interviews have a different "feel" as well. something of a reverence for burton's work from the 1980's like "beetlejuice" which she probably grew up on.
for what it's worth hbc is likely the only castmember(other than depp, of course)who's been privy to any of the postproduction work or is having any familiarity for the way the final film is being edited and what it's tone will be.
as for the film's marketing it's hard to guess. a current project that comes to mind is the new charlize theron film "young adult". it's being marketed as a light comedy starring the pretty actress but most reviews i've read describe it in much darker terms with theron playing a highly unlikable, selfish character. but i guess that's harder to sell to a mass audience.
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I think the whole HBC think was blown out of proportion. She didn't say it was "junk" in the video I saw. And even if she did I think she was probably referring to it as junk in the sense of production values. I don't think she was talking about the actors performances, although they could be at times over the top. The whole thing was totally blown out of proportion on Facebook. Of course there are many people that hated this movie before it even started. I am so glad I am open to new interpretations of DS. I am glad I am not close minded so I can enjoy Dark Shadows as long as I live. I am child of the 1991 version and most people here know how much I ADORED that show. However, I started watching the original and loved it for it's own merit. I haven't seen the pilot but I think I would love it from what people have told me and from the things I have read. I adore Barabara Steele, Grayson, and Joanna Going but I am in no means going to compare them to Helena or Bella Heathcorte.
I think the reason for no trailer is Tim/Depp are probably really having a hard time. This is both a SPECIAL project and life long dream for Johnny. I am sure they are wanting nothing more than to get it right. It seems like Alice was pushed back a bit because of editing. I cannot remember for sure.
There have been so many different comments it's hard to judge what exactly the movie will be like. I am sure there are humorous parts. The concept of being pulled into a totally different time (for Barnabas) could be funny. TVs, mini skirts and 70's language, hippies and cars will probably FREAK Cousin Barnabas out.
That being said. I have enjoyed what I have heard from Eva, Chloe, Helena, Michelle and Johnny. And the picture sealed the deal for me. Once I saw it it sort of helped ease any fears I had.
I may walk out the theater and eat my words but for some reason I doubt I will.
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I don't think that Alice was pushed back, but it was filmed wayyyy before the release date and had I think about 15 months of post-production. But that film was unusual because there was a ton of CGI, and most of it was filmed with green screen. Most of Tim's films don't take that long in post-production because he prefers to use real effects and real sets when possible.
I'm surprised that no teaser or poster has been released yet, but maybe they just didn't want to compete with the year-end holiday films and Oscar-bait films. After the holidays there is usually a lull in new releases, and maybe DS could get more pre-release attention that way. (I know, I'm probably grasping at straws here, but it's just a thought [santa_wink] )
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It could also be that they want to include a particular sequence in the first trailer so that the trailer will really grab an audience but it's taking a long time to get that sequence's special effects just the way they want them. Sometimes it takes months and months to get certain things just right. And perhaps they don't want to release a trailer without that sequence.
As for releasing a poster - even a teaser poster - I don't know what the holdup could be there. But wanting to wait until DS can get more pre-release attention makes as much sense as anything else. [santa_wink]
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And I also keep reminding myself that it's not likely that anyone would have described Ben Cross as handsome when he was in his vampire makeup behind the scenes while shooting the '91 Series.
Speaking of Cross' vampire makeup, I'd completely forgotten how pale he looks on camera during the 1790 storyline:
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/Pale.jpg)
And if it looks that pale on camera, can you just imagine how pale it looked in person? Sort of puts those Depp paparazzi photos into a bit of perspective. Though I still suspect that Depp's Barn is wearing some sort of sunscreen in that beach scene...
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In light of the discussion about "when are we going to see a trailer for a movie that's slated to come out in a little more than 20 weeks," I found it interesting that the first trailer for The Hobbit, which isn't opening until a year from now, has been released.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0k3kHtyoqc&feature=g-logo&context=G2881673FOAAAAAAACAA
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Yes, I saw where The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey trailer has been released. In fact, Access Hollywood promoted that they are going to show it on tonight's installment. But we're not jealous. Nope. Not at all...
Changing reels, it's interesting that it seems to have taken so long for word about the underwater production photo to get out to other sites. It wasn't until yesterday that I saw mention of it posted on some other DS sites. And then today I received the first Google alert for a non-DS site: horror site shockya.com (http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/12/21/very-cool-behind-the-scenes-photo-from-tim-burtons-dark-shadows/). But now that it's finally gotten out to that type of site, it'll probably spread like wildfire because we know how they jump on one another's postings...
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A topic on the Kingdom Hearts insider forum about the DS film:
Dark Shadows (http://forums.khinsider.com/film-television/165169-dark-shadows.html)
And apparently someone in the topic is trying to imply that the cast photo is ripping off American Horror Story's opening credits. Huh? The cast photo was taken like 5 months before AHS came on FX and even almost as long before it was being shot. Quite obviously that person doesn't realize that. But then nothing prevents people from engaging in uninformed rambling on the Internet, now does it...
And following up on something from yesterday, as expected, several Web sites have now picked up on the underwater photo...
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Hmmm - just came across a Google Alert for this video in which Eva Green talks about playing Angelique:
Eva Green talks Dark Shadows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6wDk61x0Zk)
I wonder when this interview was conducted? Perfect Sense came out in Europe on October 7th - and it doesn't come out in the US until February 10th - yet the posting is dated December 17th. I suspect it must be from the press she did in September - but it's interesting that it didn't surface until now...
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I watched American Horror Story every week, but I don't recall anything about the title sequence that looks remotely like the DS cast photo [santa_rolleyes] [santa_grin] About the show itself, I guess Michelle Pfeiffer's hairstyle is a little like Connie Britton's, and Chloe Moretz might be vaguely reminiscent of Taissa Farmiga's, but...I'm grasping at straws!
MB, I think you're probably right that the Eva Green snippet was probably from the earlier press and only just got uploaded to YouTube. I wish it was a little longer, but it was nice to see, thanks!
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While catching up on/posting links to articles about The Vampire Diaries, I just came across this:
What Vampire Movies Are Coming Soon to a Theater Near You? (http://www.wetpaint.com/the-vampire-diaries/articles/what-vampire-movies-are-coming-soon-to-a-theater-near-you)
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"To celebrate, the DS Festival & Official Fan Club will present a special DARK SHADOWS MOVIE PREMIERE PARTY on Thursday, May 10, at the Vista Theatre in Hollywood. The event will include a midnight screening of the new movie and other surprises, along with in-person appearances by original DS series actors. New DS memorabilia will be offered and autographs from the stars will be available.
OMG! [faint2]
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loril54 thanks for posting this! Fantastic news.
General question to anyone: Don't they also have an east coast movie screening premiere with the actors from the movie? If so when do they normally have it (from the date of the movie's official opening) and is it generally open to the public? Is the Fest going to do anything with the movie's premiere on the East coast as well although I understand obviously that the o/s actors can't be in two places at the same time. I hope the Fest does something on the east coast regarding the movie's premiere.
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I suspect that the way this is being handled is that the Vista Theatre premiere is a fan event, while an East Coast premiere or even an additional West Coast premiere event will be the actual premiere and will probably take place at least a few days before the Vista event. It may even take place a week or more before it.
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I am hoping that they will do what they did with the 1991 NBC premiere event held in New York. I believe it was about a week before the official air date.
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Though the premiere event for the '91 Series wasn't like a typical premiere event, mainly because it was for a TV show and not a film. If they do have the typical film premiere on the East Coast, or even if it's held as a separate West Coast event apart from the Vista event, it would be very difficult for any of us to get tickets. For one, tickets are routinely distributed to and/or bought up by industry types, leaving very few for the public. And for two, film premieres often support charities - and if that were to happen with the DS premiere, heavens knows what the price of any available tickets might be?
What's being done with the Vista showing is pretty much a glorified midnight showing. There are likely to be midnight showings of DS all over the country because that's basically what's done with tentpole films these days. (And that's why the forum's countdown is counting down to 12am ET on May 11th.) The only thing that will make the Vista showing different is that it will be a fan event with extras thrown in.
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That is all true. I just wish I could attend the premiere event in NY. I might have to scalp jk or check Ebay. Then I would have to deal with the charity expense. In any event all this talk is getting me real excited about the movie.
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Will 'Dark Shadows Festival' web-site have info on hotel rooms and tickets and fan events? They need to get started soon so people can make arrangements. Would that not make the most wonderful Christmas gift ever to be able to attend the premier? [8_2_81]
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WB issued a press release regarding its 2012 releases (although I have yet to locate the direct link). However, WB has listed the DS movie as a "Thriller" which is better than some of the other descriptions we have heard about imo. see http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=85470
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WB has listed the DS movie as a "Thriller" which is better than some of the other descriptions we have heard about imo.
Definitely! At least it's not listed as a "comedy" (which I've already been pretty much convinced it isn't) or even as a "black comedy." "Thriller" is basically how we want to see the film described.
Thanks for the info, jimbo. [santa_smiley]
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It seems WB distributed today a press kit with photos not a press release to the media today. The collider website has the apparent portion of the DS release which includes the known synopsis.
http://collider.com/jack-giant-killer-images-argo-images-gangster-squad/134219/
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a press kit with photos
Though seemingly not with any new photos. [santa_sad] Or at least if there was anything new, collider.com chose not to post it. Though one would think or at least hope that if there was something new, they would have posted it...
But new photos will be forthcoming eventually. When? Who knows?! [santa_rolleyes] But eventually...
Which actually reminds me:
It would be a bit ironic if we got a trailer when it was time for post # 1966 or 1972 to come around...
[8_2_77]
1772 or 1795 would also be acceptable. [santa_wink]
Both 1772 and 1795 have passed without anything. 1966 or 1972 will take a bit longer to come up. But if we're getting close to them and there's still nothing, we may have to stop posting altogether in this topic to reach that goal. But let's hope it doesn't come to that. [santa_wink]
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [santa_smiley]
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I believe that WB generated the photos published at Collider. I read some other articles today that indicated that WB has issued new photos today-for example WB released a new still for The Dark Knight and for some other movies. If this is true WB used a still from EW magazine. Hopefully some lucky person here gets hold of the press kit. More importantly we do need some new photos and a trailer!
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But if we're getting close to them and there's still nothing, we may have to stop posting altogether in this topic to reach that goal. But let's hope it doesn't come to that. [santa_wink]
That would indeed make me sad... both the idea that we would stop posting and the idea that we wouldn't have a trailer by that time. [santa_cry] So, let's continue to post no matter the number and hope for the best!
My thinking is that we have to have a trailer within the month, maybe with the Underworld movie? [stocking]
And thanks, jimbo. It is great to read the "thriller" description attached to the film. Must be taking a concrete identity in post-production.
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My thinking is that we have to have a trailer within the month
From your mouth (typing fingers [santa_wink]) to...
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Several days ago I saw the latest Mission Impossible movie before a sold out crowd in NY. I just think WB blew a golden opportunity to showcase the DS movie. With all that talent involved in the project you would think they at the very minimum would have come up with a 30 second teaser. It is very perplexing but I guess they know what they are doing.
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I thought the DS movie was all filmed in the U.K. Another location listed at the Imdb website reflects the movie was also filmed at an all girls school in Whithy, Ontario (Trafalgar Castle School). Interesting that they didn't film a school scene in the U.K.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/locations
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That's very interesting. It looks like an intriguing location:
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/NewThisFall.jpg)
And apparently the place is haunted: The Toronto & Ontario Ghosts and Hauntings Research Society (http://www.torontoghosts.org/index.php?/20080817284/South-Eastern-Ontario/Whitby-Trafalgar-Castle-School.html)
Considering the location is a girl's school, I wonder if it might be "playing" a sort of foundling home or school where Victoria comes from? Not that we have any idea if she even comes from a foundling home. But who knows...
Thanks for the info, jimbo. [santa_smiley]
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Clearly that is playing the restaurant where waitress Victoria Winters works... [angel4]
Thanks for the cool pic, MB.
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Thanks too MB for the photo. I would say your guess about it being Victoria's home
is a good one.
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Clearly that is playing the restaurant where waitress Victoria Winters works... [angel4]
Wow - what a step up for The Collinsport Inn - it's as grand as Collinwood! [santa_cheesy]
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The Collinsport Inn. I love it. Thanks Cousin_Barnabas and MB. Actually when I first looked at the image on my phone I thought it looked like Seaview Terrace but in either event it definitely fits into this movie. I am surprised we didn't hear about actors filming there. They kept this filming under the radar.
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Wow - what a step up for The Collinsport Inn - it's as grand as Collinwood! [santa_cheesy]
Oh, not even the Inn. That is just the Coffee Shop. The Inn is on the other side. [santa_tongue]
Seriously, though, I wonder what happened to that whole waitress angle. We haven't heard anything about it, and it really seems, from what has developed, that they will be going with the foundling home origin story. Making her a waitress too would seem to convolute the story, but anything is possible!
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And then there is the Young Victoria Winters angle.
Variety discusses the 2012 tentpole movies. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118047931
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Yes, and that would seem to further validate the idea that they will tie her present situation back to her past - hopefully with a foundling home!
And thanks for that article, jimbo. Looks like everybody is expecting a great deal from Shadows, which is funny since it is the only big May release that doesn't have any sort of official publicity yet...
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that's what i was thinking...
given the perimeters of the character she's rather isolated from the overall storyline. it would appear that there is no need for her to film her scenes or interact with the rest of the cast.
so perhaps it just worked out better for her sequence to be filmed in canada.
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It seems like we all solved the latest mystery. I like that Variety seems to also think that DS is a potential new movie franchise. It would be nice to get a promo photo from the movie-anything!
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Christopher Lee speaks very briefly about the DS movie approximatly at the 9:12 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0r1d7uE4-E
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Hmmm - so apparently Bill Malloy will play some significant part in the plot. Very interesting. And as others have said before, it's fascinating that the film is reaching back into the pre-Barn period of the original show for so many of its plot points. I've always maintained that the pre-Barn plots are just as valid and just as much DS as anything that came afterward - and apparently Burton & Co. agree.
Thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [santa_smiley]
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I agree MB. I usually get a bit upset when Barnabas gets all the glory. The early material played a big role in shaping the show and also Laura never gets respect. She is the one who keep the show from being cancelled so I like to give her props. I would just love it if she were to be mentioned in the movie or in be in potential franchises!
BTW...I have a question. Since there could be possible sequels; would they have saved the sets? I am thinking they probably would have them stored somewhere until they see how good the movie does? What do you think? Or would they just build again?
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Absolutely, MB. The Pre-Barn episodes are my favorite. The characters were well developed and there was just a great deal of atmosphere that was missing from some later parts of the series. I see this movie as crystalizing (and making new) the 1966-1967 storylines. It's so refreshing to see this material finally getting some respect.
And it's no surprise that Malloy is important, as he was the catalyst for the first major suspense plot on the show.
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I guess WB is using the EW photo as the official DS promo photo (at the very least it is an official WB photo). click on DS photo No. 13.
http://www.imdb.com/photo_galleries/2011/Warner_Preview
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They're starting to talk about it. The "fourth hour" of the Today Show is repeated in the early morning of the next day. I just happened to put it on and they had a man on (I have no idea who he is) talking about movies for 2012 and Dark Shadows was one of the ones mentioned. He mentioned that it had been a soap and vampires. One of the women started to say "Barnaby" and he corrected it to Barnabas Collins and mentioned things like the microphones coming into view and that it was a crazy show. He went on to mention that Johnny and Tim used to run home to watch it. One of them said that Burton was perfect to do it. He also mentioned Michelle. They showed the same picture (the one from the post before this) and separate pictures of Johnny, Tim and Michelle.
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Those separate pictures weren't from production were they? (Or were they the "behind the scenes" ones published previously?)
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I happened to catch the Today Show segment yesterday morning (it was the last day of a holiday visit with my elderly parents; they live in one of those "gated communities" in Fla.). The photos they ran of Depp, Burton and Pfeiffer were just candids in the case of the 2 men (no DS content to the photos, just random snaps) and a generic, standard head shot for Pfeiffer. As Josette reported, DS was the only movie profiled in the segment that had no preview or trailer footage available to run doing the blurb about the title. (The other films were along the usual lines you would expect: new Spiderman, Avengers, that "Hunger Games" thing which turns out to be from a series of Young Adult books, the Dark Knight etc.) Kathie Lee Gifford, who was so heavily painted she resembled a Collinsport doxie of the late 18th century (her makeup job made Sukie Forbes look like a lady of subtlety and restraint), and apparently likes to pretend she is younger than she is, claimed she had no idea what DS was and didn't understand why it was being hyped so heavily. She was the one who referred to Barnabas as "Barnaby."
It is really surprising to me just how much buzz is being generated around this project. Either Burton has a hard-working, well-funded, extremely well-connected publicist (which seems very likely), or people in the "industry" or really intrigued as what this is going to look like.
I have always heard that a lot of people in the "industry" are DS fans--the buzz around Depp Shadows seems to bear this out.
G.
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I'll never forget when Joanna Going was promoting the '91 Series on Regis and Kathie Lee and they continually referred to Barnabas as "Barnaby." [santa_angry] But I took it as apparent proof that the rumors were true that neither of them actually completely read their notes before doing interviews. And to her credit, Joanna Going winced a few times, but she never corrected them. Perhaps she figured the clip that was shown, which clearly identified Barnabas as "Barnabas," was correction enough. [santa_wink] But apparently Kathie Lee didn't even bother to pay attention to that clip, either, or else she wouldn't still be thinking Barnabas is really Barnaby. [santa_rolleyes]
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Misterioso darling,
I'm not sure that thinking, in general, is an activity that Kathie Lee spends much time upon, period.
Her voice bears a startling resemblance to that of a magpie. Really rather remarkable.
Joanna Going always impressed me with her poise and sense of occasion. A worthy successor to the quietly aristocratic, always superbly dignified Alex Moltke Isles.
G.
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Thanks for the info, G! I knew that we would probably end up with some generic shots, but it was worth hoping otherwise...
And, yes, I too find it strange how much press this movie is getting with zero official publicity. It is beyond strange.
Finally, I completely agree about Joanna. I always loved her and thought she was the perfect new Victoria Winters/Josette. Let's see how Heathcote fairs.
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heathcote certainly has that doe-eyed and virginal quality moltke brought to the role. and her getup in the cast photograph is about as "ingenue-ish" as you can get.
my only regret is that she does not have the raven hair as her predecessors. still she looks like she'll make a nice addition to the list of victorias.
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I hope so. I am sure the trailer will give us a taste of her interpretation of, in Burke's words, "little Miss Muffet"... Miss Winters."
I am really curious to see what color her hair is on screen. It's even hard to tell from the official press picture...
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I just thought of this song...
"Many years ago, in 1793,
An evil woman named Angelique said with glee,
'I cast a spell on Barnabas!'
And what was even worse,
She turned him into a vampire,
That was his curse.
Barnabas, we must confess. We dig your pearly fangs and your blood-stained vest. Biting people's necks is your coolest desire. Barnabas, you're our favorite vampire! Vampire!"
Any bets that will make it into the Tim Burton movie?
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I thought it was "mustang vest"--a style of vest popular in the late Sixties--more Quentin's line than Barnabas', actually.
G.
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Hmmm... I don't know. And I don't see the official lyrics posted anywhere either. I remember thinking it was Mustang at some point, and then I changed my opinion to blood-stained later on. (I guess it felt more appropriate!) So, you may be right. I don't have access to the song, so I can't even give it another listen. But if someone else does...
That way when the official 2012 soundtrack is released, all the groovie ghouls will have the correct lyrics on record. [santa_wink]
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Just checked around Twitter for the first time in a long time and came across this:
Darkershadeofme Chris Mullen
#HighlightOf2011 Meeting and working with Tim Burton and legendary Hollywood producer Richard D. Zanuck!
31 Dec
As you may recall from his past tweets, Mullen worked on the DS film as a production secretary.
And it's nice to see that this writer at MSNBC would pick DS over The Avengers:
Movies to look forward to in 2012 (http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/30/9777669-movies-to-look-forward-to-in-2012?chromedomain=todayentertainment)
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Yes, that is exciting! Let's hope other people feel the same way. I am not sure if Shadows will beat Avengers in its first week. But, I am pretty sure that it will be first the following week. Again, all of this depends on the reception of both films. But I think Avengers will be positively received, which could put a dent in Shadows' numbers. But, we can always hope otherwise! [8_2_73]
As an aside, I see IMDB now has an image in the "official poster" slot. Yes. You guessed it. It's the cast picture. Considering that it looks terrible on the page, I am fairly certain that someone is trying to force Warner Bros into releasing a poster... [santa_tongue]
BUT! It is also featured on the IMDB homepage, advertising the Warner films of 2012! Fantastic!
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Did the MTV weekly DS column/feature dry up? I figured it might have done simply for lack of material...
G.
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I have not seen anything, G... [santa_sad]
But more news from the IMDB front... Dark Shadows has just been upgraded from a Top 5,000 title to a Top 500 title - despite the fact that there is no new publicity. Interesting...
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There may not be any new publicity from official sources (namely, the poster and trailer we've all been waiting for!) But I think that now that the holidays are over, and people are looking ahead to what's coming in 2012, DS is coming to mind. It doesn't hurt that it's on lists like the MSNBC one and this one from Zimbio:
The Ten Can't Miss Films of 2012 (http://www.zimbio.com/Christopher+Nolan/articles/YIcftvcd74D/Ten+Can+t+Miss+Films+2012)
So folks are probably reading lists like these and going to IMDb to check it out [8_2_59]
Cathy
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It IS interesting, Cathy, given that the ONLY promotional material that has been released were three magazine photographs four months ago.
The fact that the title is showing up on all these lists is almost enough to make one wonder about payola... but, we know the "Industry" doesn't operate that way any longer ... don't we? *wink*
G.
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I'm anxious to hear news of the 'rating' the movie will receive...will the music box be in the movie..what will the music by Elfman be like...so many questions, so few answers thus far. [santa_azn]
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I haven't logged into IMDbPro in ages, so I went to see why DS jumped to Top 500 - and the reason is that last week the film was ranked #603 and this week it jumped up to #375. And what prompted that you ask? Well, it's mostly being attributed to reports about and including Christopher Lee's video in which he mentioned doing DS (apparently a lot of people were still unaware of his participation), and to a lesser degree it's being attributed to the various Web site articles last week about Warner Brothers' release slate.
I know it definitely can't be attributed to the pieces the entertainment shows Extra and Access Hollywood did on the upcoming movies for 2012 because DS wasn't included on either - which is interesting because both shows are produced by Warner Brothers TV. However, all the films that were included in both pieces already have trailers out and bits and pieces of those trailers were showcased by both shows. But as we all know only too well, DS has no trailer as of yet, so I'm presuming that's what kept it off of both shows. Though a somewhat similar instance of DS not being included can definitely be attributed to DS not having a trailer - and that's a recent poll that was conducted by Entertainment Weekly of the Most Anticipated Films Of 2012. It was specifically stated in the poll that only films that have released trailers were included (because the thinking was that that was the only real way voters in the poll could legitimately judge what films to anticipate - and I can certainly see some logic in that thinking). So, of course, because DS wasn't included, it's nowhere to be seen in the results that were published in EW's latest issue. [santa_cry] And another thing that makes me pretty sure that at least in Access Hollywood's case it was a lack of a trailer that kept DS out of their piece is the fact that EW's Jeff Jensen was the person who was interviewed about the 2012 releases.
But getting back to IMDb, 2011 was a very good year for DS as far as its rankings there go. It may have spent January fluctuating between #1470 and #1113, but the week of February 6th, thanks to the first casting news, it climbed to #586 - and it rarely fell much lower. It was even as high as #182 the week of April 3rd when news of Chloe Moretz' casting came out. And its second highest ranking, which was #205, was the week of September 18th when she first began talking about the film after wrapping her part. And if all that isn't proof that she's going to be one of the major draws of the film, nothing is. [santa_wink]
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Well said MB. There is no doubt that many entities have excluded DS from its most anticipated movies of 2012 type lists because there is no trailer. In addition it follows that DS is not even being considered as a prospective franchise for example as seen here http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3338&p=.htm I do hope WB is going to heavily promote this movie.
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As much as we do jest that there isn't a trailer (or even a teaser poster yet), it is frustrating. But at the same time I don't doubt for a second that Warner Brothers has a marketing plan in place for DS or that they plan to promote the film heavily. Of course we would have preferred to have seen at least a teaser trailer by now. And we have no idea what the delay (at least to our minds) is. But IF there is a delay in Warner Brothers' timetable and it's not something that has been part of the plan all along, the reason behind it could be quite simple. As I said before, it could easily be that some special effect or effects that they may want to include in a trailer haven't been perfected yet, and they don't want to put out a trailer without it or them being included to hopefully wow an audience. And if that is the case, those sorts of delays are often commonplace. (Just watch any number of films' DVD/Blu-ray extras for evidence of that. [santa_wink]) And one thing that probably shouldn't be overlooked in all this is that the first impression of something is quite often the one that lingers regardless of what comes afterward. So, I'd much rather have to wait for all involved to get a trailer assembled that gets everything right rather than have them rush something out simply because so many other films already have their trailers out...
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Well the good news is that we are just a tweet away from hearing about a development. TPTB have really clamped down since production ended (outside of HBC). I think even the writer at MTV is also surprised at the dearth of information when he promised a weekly DS movie article which cousin Gothick and raised earlier. In a weird way I hope we don't get everything at once. This way we will have more time discussing each development but at this point I will take anything and everything. I guess typically a teaser comes first.
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Your theory about putting together a special effect is a good one, MB. Alternatively, like I think I theorized here before, they just may have wanted to get the distraction of the holidays out of the way. Yeah, so now we're a few days into the new year, so what's keeping them? ;) But IF my theory has any credibility, maybe we'll be seeing something imminently.
As an aside, I'm also a longtime diehard fan of a rock musician, for whom there have been rumors this past fall about a new album and tour this spring. The management eventually had to confirm the tour because some European concerts have already gone on sale, but it seems like they were deliberately refraining from giving any news yet about the album and US tour before the holidays. Now that they're over, of course, everyone is on pins and needles waiting to hear something any minute! So it's funny to see the parallels and I'm just continuing to hope that with the new year, there will be new news!
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All great insight, cousins! And terrific analysis on both counts, MB.
And Shadows is certainly popping up in a lot of places...
http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/great-expectations-predicting-the-ten-best-of-2012s-studio-fare-will-they-deliver# (http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/great-expectations-predicting-the-ten-best-of-2012s-studio-fare-will-they-deliver#)
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Yes I agree good job cousins. It is good to see the DS movie receiving good publicity especially when there really hasn't been any.
The writer here says that a successful DS movie could lead to more soap projects as it is the year of the soaps: http://www.welovesoaps.net/2012/01/yearofthesoap2.html
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Well, add The Insider to the list of shows doing a piece on the upcoming films of 2012 and not mentioning DS. Though in this case it's probably just as well that DS wasn't featured because half the time they have no idea what they're talking about. For example, according to their piece tonight, What To Expect When You're Expecting is opening May 20th - and while the announcer was saying that, the graphic on the screen said it was opening June 1st. And you'll notice that neither of those dates is May 11th. And I mean, the 20th is on a Sunday. Movies never open on a Sunday unless the Sunday happens to be Christmas. And so far as I know, we won't be celebrating Christmas again on May 20th. And if their seeming inability to get things right isn't bad enough, the show can be so tabloid that I often feel like I need to take a shower after even just fast forwarding through it. The only reason I even record it is just on the off chance that something related to DS might pop up...
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[pointing-up]
So true!
Odd thing about that is I read somewhere else that it would be released May 13, Mother's Day... It's like no one knows the date!
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30 actors to watch in 2012. JD is number 18. http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/actors-to-watch-in-2012/
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I wonder if they're holding things back just to build antici........pation. I'm surprised we haven't even seen a teaser poster yet.
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I was just reading over at the IMDB boards, which I try not to do too often [santa_tongue], and one poster said that we wouldn't see a trailer until March. He did not say where he got his information from. It just seems silly that it would take that long. If they want to build this film to be the blockbuster (and franchise) it could be, we ought to be seeing a lot of promotional material this whole year... At this rate, we'll probably see Barnabas action figures before we see a trailer. (At least I hope we see Barnabas action figures! [santa_wink]) But, I am still hoping for a poster this month. Maybe a trailer (even a teaser) before Valentine's day. There's a number of horror-themed works coming out... Maybe with one of those.
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I don't know if you guys and gals care or not but http://www.comingsoon.net/movies.php lists an offical website for the movie http://www.darkshadowsthemovie.com/ Just go to the release date and click on Dark Shadows. When I went there all I got was a "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" message. I don't know if it's my computer or if the page isn't up yet. If it isn't it should be soon. I'd love to know if you all can get it to work.
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Thanks, borgosi! That is really interesting... I was wondering if we would be getting a .warnerbros address or a complete website, and, if that is accurate, it looks like we're getting a complete website. And that most likely means... a viral campaign. So... Let the game begin, Warners.
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I get the same error. And I doubt that will be the URL for the "official" Web site because all of Warner Brothers' films seem to have a specific type of URL. For example, Harry Potter's is harrypotter.warnerbros.com and Batman's is thedarkknight.warnerbros.com. So the official site for DS should be http://darkshadows.warnerbros.com - and that site isn't available either.
Now, someone also connected to the film could be planning http://www.darkshadowsthemovie.com/ - but if they are, apparently the site isn't up and running.
Thanks for sharing the info, though. [santa_smiley] It may yet pan out...
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I know I'll be keeping at eye on it.
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MB,
This is the address for the official website of The Dark Knight:
http://www.thedarkknightrises.com/
There is no .warnerbros. This is because there will most likely be a viral campaign tied to its marketing, and it needs easy access, which could be the same for Dark Shadows.
HarryPotter.com redirects to the subdivision of the Warners site, which could also be what happens with Shadows. But, for the sake of marketing, DarkShadowstheMovie.com could very well be the official address. [santa_smiley]
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www.darkshadowsthemovie.com has been owned by Warner Bros since 2007: http://www.whois.net/whois/darkshadowsthemovie.com
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MB,
This is the address for the official website of The Dark Knight:
http://www.thedarkknightrises.com/
There is no .warnerbros. This is because there will most likely be a viral campaign tied to its marketing, and it needs easy access, which could be the same for Dark Shadows.
That's for the latest installment - it used to be the one I mentioned - but then, I don't keep up and I see that now the one I mentioned is only for the DVD/Blu-ray of the previous installment. Oops...
for the sake of marketing, DarkShadowstheMovie.com could very well be the official address. [santa_smiley]
True. Though as I said, neither of them are up and running - or even associated with any sort of Web space/provider - otherwise the error that comes up wouldn't be coming up. So, only time will tell. And like borgosi, it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep checking both addresses to see if anything shows up at one or the other - or even both (we should only be so lucky [santa_cheesy]). [santa_wink] And one should also keep an eye on the Twitter accounts of GK Films and/or Warner Brothers because whenever an official Web site for their films comes online, they generally tweet its URL as soon as the site is up and running. I have yet to see anything from either with regard to DS...
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I'm guessing it's real and it's about to go "live", so to speak, but it's just not ready quite yet. Besides Stuart's confirmation, Coming Soon is usually very reliable. I remember this happening with several of Johnny's previous movies, and what folks do is just keep checking it (over and over!) in hopes that something will appear on it, if only just a splash page. And it does, eventually, but let's just hope that in this case it's sooner rather than later!!
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let's just hope that in this case it's sooner rather than later!!
We've pretty much been hoping that with everything regarding the film. [santa_wink] Sadly, it hasn't gotten us much so far. [santa_sad] But like you say, it will "eventually." Though we could die of anticipation before then! [santa_grin]
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What would suck would be to die May 10th [santa_sad].
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Ain't that the truth! [santa_cheesy]
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I hope that website is up and running. I can't wait! Time Warner is very optimistic about its 2012 slate. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/time-warner-will-consider-leaving-nyc-278778
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Thanks for the link, jimbo. [santa_smiley] Let's definitely hope their optimism certainly pays off. [santa_wink]
Though as far as a Depp/DS Web site goes, given the error that's coming up, about the only thing it can be is in development. And one would certainly hope that it is given that DS opens in just over 4 months.
That being said, though, it could become up and running at any point...
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This is mere speculation here... But maybe they want the wesbite up before they distribute any promotional materials. This could be a potential hold-up, in addition to all of the other ideas discussed here. It all depends on the marketing of the movie. If it's going to rely heavily on viral techniques, the website would be essential. If it is more of a traditional campaign, a poster and trailer wouldn't require the website to be functioning. We shall see.
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Please give us something! Gulliver McGrath is one of the 15 break out stars to look for in 2012.
http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/breakout-stars-2012/
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I have some good news and bad news...
Good news! MTV Is running a new story on Shadows. It begs for a trailer... http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1676873/dark-shadows-trailer.jhtml
(http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1676873/dark-shadows-trailer.jhtml)
Bad news... The latest update in the world of tabloid "journalism" is going to give Shadows some press. What kind, I cannot say. It's not something to discuss on the boards, but I just wanted to let everyone know that there is a new article which briefly references Dark Shadows in a piece focusing on Depp's personal life. I can only imagine that it will be picked up and thrown about the Internet in the next few days, so new searches for Shadows will probably bring up a lot of garbage and little substance. Sad really...
Unless Warners decides to release that trailer! Then the garbage articles will hopefully subside. [santa_wink]
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Thanks for the article Cousin_Barnabas. So DS Friday nights are back-how cool. I did read about the rumor about JD and it is garbage. We do need some DS news in the worse way.
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The same rumor about Johnny's personal life were going around a month or two ago, but this time it seems to have gained traction because it's in 3/4 of the news alerts I've been getting the last couple of days. Ironically, most of the other 1/4 have them together on New Year's Eve (though the pix only show Johnny and his mom) or buying a new house together in England (also probably balderdash!). I don't even pay attention to this stuff. I often feel that they just spin a roulette wheel- oh, we haven't started a rumor about Depp in awhile, what can we make up about him? Don't worry, next week it'll be Brangelina or Clooney. Oy.
Anyway, I'm so happy to see MTV putting the heat on them- maybe it'll push them to get moving on a DS bone to throw us!
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Chloe's brother tweeted this two minutes ago.
TrevorDMoretztrevor duke moretz
Anyone else wanting to see #darkshadows trailer??
45 seconds ago FavoriteRetweetReply
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Perhaps this upcoming issue of Entertainment Weekly (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/01/11/this-weeks-cover-dark-knight-rises-forecast-2012/) will have some information about the new DS movie.
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Not that I don't think she deserved to win, but I can't believe that Chloe Moretz beat out four members of the cast of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows to the People's Choice award for Favorite Movie Star Under 25. Then again, given her popularity on IMDb, maybe I can...
What was I saying the other day about how she should be a major draw when it comes to the Depp/DS film? [snow_wink]
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A photo for those who may have missed the show:
2012 People's Choice Awards - Favorite Movie Star Under 25 - Chloe Moretz (http://www.zap2it.com/news/pictures/zap-2012-peoples-choice-awards-nominees-and-winners-pics,0,3071101.photogallery?index=12)
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I just received a Google Alert that a book entitled Dark Shadows the Art of the Film is being published by Titan and released on May 8th. Presumably the book is about the DS film, though as of yet Amazon has very little info about it:
Dark Shadows the Art of the Film (http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Art-Film/dp/1781162557/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326345308&sr=1-9)
Though Amazon.uk at least has a price:
Dark Shadows the Art of the Film (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1781162557/wwwdarkshacouk/)
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Did a bit more research and came up with this on the DS News blog:
Dark Shadows: The Art of the Film Advance Information (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/01/art-of-film-advance-information.html)
Sounds quite interesting. Certainly a lot more interesting than a certain other book set to come out. [snow_wink]
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Speaking of which, that book has had its cover stripped of the 2012 cast photo... [snow_lipsrsealed]
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Kathryn-Leigh-Scott/dp/0938817663/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326347491&sr=1-11
I wonder what happened with that...
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Interesting. I haven't been paying attention to that book (but then, with the forum's upgrade, I haven't been paying attention to too much other than the upgrade for the past couple weeks). But like I said several weeks back, quite often the cover that's first featured on Amazon ends up not even being the final cover. And the reason the film's cast photo seems to be gone could be as simple as PomPress not even having the rights to it. If so, it wouldn't be the first time a certain someone involved with the book jumped the gun without having everything ironed out...
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That is what I was thinking. A huge part of the sell for that book would be the image of Depp, HBC, Pfeiffer, and Moretz on the cover though. I mean, these are the people the new audiences will know. So, I wonder if rights will be granted. If not, it really makes one wonder what the content inside will look like.
Right now it promises:
Dark Shadows: Return to Collinwood presents a look back at four decades
of the successful spooky soap opera that made sympathetic vampire Barnabas Collins a pop culture phenomenon and prompted the big-budget, big-screen Warner Bros. revival starring longtime fan Johnny Depp, directed by Tim Burton, that premieres May 11, 2012. The large format book includes color photographs and behind-the-scenes anecdotes from Kathryn Leigh Scott and three other original cast members who filmed cameo roles with Johnny Depp, Helene Bonham-Carter and Michelle Pfeiffer in the new Gothic epic. With the ongoing fascination for all things vampiric, this book about the making of the new film and the history of the original series will be an enticing volume for new and old fans alike.
This book also features hundreds of exclusive photographs of Dark Shadows then and now, along with behind-the-scenes information, production materials and unique archival elements that provide context for the Depp/Burton Warner Bros. film.
So, with the official movie book being released, I wonder if this unofficial one will be granted rights to publish everything it promises.
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It just now hit me that there is a BIG problem with the cast photo... Look out the windows. It's daylight! What is Barnabas doing in Collinwood in the middle of the day?
Of course, he could have been "cured", but it seems odd to me that they wouldn't catch something like that, assuming that the cast is supposed to be in character and that Barnabas's character is a vampire. Maybe they just wanted to show off the foggy backdrops or the glorious Collinwood set in "daylight", but it's an odd decision if intentional.
(And this is how you know that it's been too long since they've given us anything new. We have time to analyze the publicity to a point that we find flaws in it. [snow_bigglass])
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Interview with TB. "panicking" stage and more.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1677141/tim-burton-dark-shadows-frankenweenie.jhtml
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I hope KLS's copy-editor learns the correct spelling of Helena's name before the book actually goes to press.
Interesting point, Cousin, about the lighting chosen for that photo. The 1967 original had very much a nighttime feel to it, didn't it? And I'm sure that this photo was taken on an indoor stage-set, not in some real mansion.
G.
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Burton is always panicking - that's who he is. But this time around I really love what he's saying about DS - particularly about how DS "has a weird sense of heightened melodrama," "it was a very hermetically sealed world" that's "mainly the internal family melodrama, " and how "it had a weird seriousness, but it was funny in a way that wasn't really funny." If those are the things he's going for with the film, then I think he's going to get it right.
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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It just now hit me that there is a BIG problem with the cast photo... Look out the windows. It's daylight! What is Barnabas doing in Collinwood in the middle of the day?
Actually, shouldn't it be obvious that the cast photo was taken at an instant when lightning was flashing? After all, lightning is always flashing outside at Collinwood. [snow_wink] (Though the weird thing is that it's rarely accompanied by rain! [snow_laugh])
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Perhaps this upcoming issue of Entertainment Weekly will have some information about the new DS movie.
If similar issues in the past are any indication, it would seem quite likely that DS will be featured. Although, it's anyone's guess if we'll learn anything new or get anything new in the photo department. Publicity material on the film certainly appears to be locked up better than a medieval chastity belt!
And EW might want to rethink including The Amazing Spider-Man as one of "the most anticipated movies in years." The results of MTV's recent poll wouldn't indicate so. [snow_wink] (Though it's unseemly to gloat.)
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DarkShadowsNews tweeted that DS is featured in the new EW and there is a new photo of Depp and Michelle P. Since this was a recent interview it doesn't seem we are close to seeing a trailer(?)
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Let's hope it's a photo of Barnabas and Elizabeth and not the actors as themselves. [snow_wink]
As for the trailer, considering some of the things Burton says in the MTV interview, my theory concerning the delay might be right. But who knows? [idontknow] But even if it is, I still think a trailer could show up at any time...
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It's a shot of them in character.
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It's a shot of them in character.
Excellent! Thanks, Stuart. [snow_smiley]
(Now watch - instead of arriving on Friday or even Saturday, my issue won't arrive until Tuesday because of the holiday. For some strange reason, that seems to happen so often when there's a Monday holiday - and especially when I'm really looking forward to an issue. [snow_rolleyes])
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It's come to my attention that the EW photo of Barnabas and Elizabeth has been posted in at least two places online. I hesitate to post the links or even to mention where because of copyright issues and the fact that the EW issue has not even hit newsstands yet. However, the two places I refer to are places that are frequently referred to here on the forum, so if you were to look around those places, you're quite likely to find the photo on your own.
Sorry to be so cryptic - but we do respect copyright issues here on the forum. [snow_wink]
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I've seen it and it does make me hopeful. I like it better than what has been shown so far. I also like what TB said about the movie in the MTV story. I feel better than I have in a long time about the movie.
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I've seen the photo. It's the best one yet, and finally gives us a good look at Depp in the role of Barnabas.
Those who have yet to see it--I do not think you will be disappointed.
Although the angle and set-up are very different, it's reminiscent in atmosphere of the photo of Barnabas standing behind Liz from 1967 (the version of that still that is not doctored with extra fangs, etc.).
G.
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In reference to earlier posts regarding 'Mustang or Mustang Vest'...I think the correct wording goes something like this..'Mustang Bangs'. Makes sense as the bangs do remind of a mane on a running horse.
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I've seen the photo. It's the best one yet, and finally gives us a good look at Depp in the role of Barnabas.
Those who have yet to see it--I do not think you will be disappointed.
Is it just me, or does it look like they spent half the budget on the costumes? And that would certainly not be a bad thing because the outfits Depp and Pfieffer are wearing look amazing. [thumb]
I wish EW had put the photo on their Web site like last time. But perhaps they learned from that last time that nothing stays exclusive once it's put online because the photo spread all over the Internet within a matter of hours.
And I just wonder how the person who's posted it got ahold of it so quickly because the EW issue shouldn't even be delivered to subscribers and stores until tomorrow...
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According to the iamrogue website: "but the actual scan here is courtesy of Johnny Depp Italia, a fansite for, you guessed it, Italian fans of Richard Greico".
There have been many comments comparing JD's appearance as Twilight like in many places.
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On Facebook several people are saying some hateful things, but not any of my friends; however, my thoughts are this.
MICHELLE looks amazing!! :) That outfit and she both look regal, retro yet updated. I love Michelle. She is a naturally beautiful actress who on top of that and most importantly is a AMAZING actress and fan of Dark Shadows. I can't wait to see her interpretation of Elizabeth Collins Stoddard!
As for Barnabas, no one knows how he is going to look with a camera filter, lights etc. I think Johnny looks great and is just as painted as Jonathan circa 1970. If you don't think so I ask you to watch Barnabas after he was turned in vampire by The Leviathans. He was highlighted and contoured like mad in those episodes. So since this is in the 1972 it makes the movie evocative of his look in those days
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There have been many comments comparing JD's appearance as Twilight like in many places.
Yeah, well, some people hear/read "vampire" and all they can think of is Twilight - regardless of whether they've seen the films or not. And usually they haven't. [snow_rolleyes]
Honestly, I don't think Barn looks Twilight-like at all. And I actually like the Twilight films (well, most things about them), so I know enough about them to know what I'm talking about. Yes, he's pale. But Twilight hardly invented the pale vampire.
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On Facebook several people are saying some hateful things
Sadly, that's just par for the course over there. And if I was to hazard an opinion, I'd say half if not more of the motivation for saying such things is just to stir up trouble. The wise thing to do would probably be just to ignore most of what's said.
MICHELLE looks amazing!! :) That outfit and she both look regal, retro yet updated. I love Michelle. She is a naturally beautiful actress who on top of that and most importantly is a AMAZING actress and fan of Dark Shadows. I can't wait to see her interpretation of Elizabeth Collins Stoddard!
Nor can I. And regal is definiteluy the word to describe her look in the photo.
I think Johnny looks great and is just as painted as Jonathan circa 1970. If you don't think so I ask you to watch Barnabas after he was turned in vampire by The Leviathans. He was highlighted and contoured like mad in those episodes. So since this is in the 1972 it makes the movie evocative of his look in those days
Exactly! And thankfully Depp's Barn doesn't have the Pepe Le Pu white streak in his hair! [snow_wink] [snow_rolleyes]
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I have never seen any of the Twilight movies but can only report what some people are saying at the websites and at FB. Who knows what the finished product will look like as Taeylor Collins said. It just makes me want to see the trailer so badly.
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I have never seen any of the Twilight movies but can only report what some people are saying at the websites and at FB.
Oh, I know that. [snow_smiley] I wasn't directing anything I said at you - I was directing it at the people making the comments.
Who knows what the finished product will look like as Taeylor Collins said.
I suspect that on film Depp's Barn will look very similar to the way he looks in the latest EW photo and the first EW photo. And I don't honestly see anything wrong with that.
It just makes me want to see the trailer so badly.
And one day - probably when we least expect it - we will see it. Though, as I said, we could die of anticipation before then. [snow_wink]
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Now, this I feel a bit less hesitant to post. GK Films just retweeted this a few minutes ago, and well, that sort of makes it official that it's OK to share:
slashfilmnews /Film Newsfeed by gkfilms
New ‘Dark Shadows’ Image and Details from Tim Burton http://bit.ly/wf2sJW
2 hours ago
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stunning. fierce.
depp clearly appears to be in eighteenth century costume. pfieffer less so but her ensemble appears dramatic. so i wonder if this image is not somehow tied into the rumored "costume party" sequence.
i'm not sure what "hateful" things anyone could intelligently come up with to say about this picture other than, yes, depp is pale. but we've known that's how he was going to appear for months so i can't see what's left to add to the subject.
granted most people are obviously not as plugged into this project as "we" are but over on FB i'm amazed at how many people are reacting to this picture and word of the film as if it's breaking news. fans of the show in fact. weird. [snow_huh]
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michael c, I guess that tells WB publicity something... [snowball]
Anyway, yes, it is an amazing picture. I can't stop looking at it. It is gorgeous. Depp and Pfeiffer are beautiful. I just can't help but wonder what the heck Depp is doing/thinking/saying here. They both have such odd facial expressions. It seems as if Pfeiffer is asking herself why Barnabas ever let Alice Cooper perform at the party. [snow_cheesy]
G, I never thought of that. But you are right, it is VERY similar to the original Barna/Liz shot.
As for the interview... I don't think anything could have given me more confidence in Burton. Sounds like this project is shaping up to be the best incarnation of Dark Shadows since the original show.
And MB, that lightning in the cast pic is SOMETHING else! [firedevil]
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depp clearly appears to be in eighteenth century costume. pfieffer less so but her ensemble appears dramatic. so i wonder if this image is not somehow tied into the rumored "costume party" sequence.
After I showed the photo to a friend earlier tonight, we both said that Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer look like they're in period clothes - but then I said that that probably couldn't be because as far as we know Michelle Pfeiffer only plays Liz. I didn't even think of the costume party. [6184] You might have hit on something. [wink2]
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It just now hit me that there is a BIG problem with the cast photo... Look out the windows. It's daylight! What is Barnabas doing in Collinwood in the middle of the day?
good point...
however although the cast definitely appears to be "in character" that doesn't necessarily mean the image needs to be taken literally as being a "scene" per se. it doesn't need to be put into the context of the film. it can just be a stand alone image.
in other words one cannot tell at what point in the story the picture might have been taken.
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I just stumbled on the picture tonight while checking a certain site's airing schedule, and immediately rushed here. My Mom and I were talking about the movie this morning and I was lamenting the lack of teaser photos.
I think it looks amazing, Johnny looks fantastic. I am so stoked about this movie! I hope to attend one of the premiere parties. It's always so much more fun attending a screening with an audience of die-hard fans. The vibe is completely different than viewing a movie with a general audience.
Hopefully a trailer is released soon!
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good point...
however although the cast definitely appears to be "in character" that doesn't necessarily mean the image needs to be taken literally as being a "scene" per se... in other words one cannot tell at what point in the story the picture might have been taken.
I agree completely. It just struck me since it's a vampire film. And, as G pointed out, the original photo had a "nighttime feeling" to it. I found the change of "time" to be of note. Now, had the new photo been released before yesterday, I would never have noticed, as I would've been gawking at it instead of the cast pic. [snow_bigglass]
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If it turns out to be true, this could boost Shadows' numbers:
http://whatculture.com/film/the-dark-knight-rises-trailer-3-watch-it-in-may-with-dark-shadows.php (http://whatculture.com/film/the-dark-knight-rises-trailer-3-watch-it-in-may-with-dark-shadows.php)
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I just can't wait to buy tickets. http://www.imax.com/movies/m/dark-shadows-an-imax-3d-experience/
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My Entertainment Weekly just arrived. [whew] I don't have to wait until Tuesday. ;) And in print the picture of Barn and Liz looks even better than it did in the scan. But the really interesting thing is that what was circulated on the Internet yesterday can't possibly be the same as what's printed in the issue because there are four significant differences:
1) The photo carries over the fold.
2) Depp and Pfeiffer's names are not printed in the same place.
3) At the right top corner of the photo there's a blue circle in which it says "Johnny Depp Goes Goth".
4) The print version shows more at the bottom, a bit more at the top, and slightly less on the left (A jewel actually dangles into Liz' cleavage. [b003])
I wonder if there are different versions of EW for different countries? Or perhaps if the person who scanned the photo got their hands on a copy of an initial layout that was later changed?
But regardless of all that, as expected, the print section for DS doesn't really reveal anything we don't already know. Though Seth Grahame-Smith is quoted as saying, "Like soap operas do, we take all the classic dysfunctions and problems and blow them into the stratosphere." I can't wait! [thumbleft]
Oh, and once again Anthony Breznican wrote the section on DS, so it would seem that he's been assigned all the coverage of DS for EW.
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I just can't wait to buy tickets.
I'm definitely planning to see DS in IMAX at least once. Maybe more. [snow_wink]
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Chloe calls DS movie revolutionary http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2012/01/13/chloe-moretz-dark-shadows-2/
I can't wait for my EW article. Thanks MB for the review of it.
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Interesting interview - thanks so much for posting the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
Although, considering how The Amazing Spider-Man barely did anything in the qualifying round of MTV's poll and DS did really well in comparison to the films that weren't The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2 and The Hunger Games, I don't know how much of an "upset victory" it was for DS to have defeated TAS-M in the first round of head-to-head voting. What was "stunning," though, was DS' margin of victory. But I honestly think that TAS-M fans just gave up in the end, while DS fans continued to vote. And if TAS-M fans had continued to vote, I doubt the margin would have been nearly as stunning...
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what's also notable about this picture is that there seems to be something diabolical happening in the exchange between barnabas and liz...
i was looking at it with a coworker. i said it looked like barnabas was threatening liz. he said it looked like they were conspiring. neither of which has any precedent in previous tellings of the story. more than perhaps anybody barnabas traditionally has a neutral , even deferential, relationship with liz. they're never in cohorts and liz herself is usually sort of out of it in terms of the supernatural activities happening in her own house.
it's seeming clear that pfieffer signed on to be a new, more participatory liz.
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I suspect as much too. I also suspect that perhaps Liz knows that her adversary, Angelique, is a witch, or at least has powers beyond the typical person. It's just a feeling I get from some of the things that have been said when describing their relationship. Though I could be wrong. After all, feelings aren't facts. [snow_wink]
As for Barn and Liz, something is definitely going on between them in that photo. I love the way Pfeiffer is sort of looking at Depp through the corner of her eye. Though whether or not it's simply a moment staged purely for the camera (like the 1967 photo Gothick referred to) or depicting an actual moment from the film is anyone's guess at this point...
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I don't have my hard copy of EW yet [snow_sad] but on advice from another board I checked out the EW iPad app. With the app, if you have a paid subscription to EW, you can access the issues free! (You can also pay if you're not a subscriber, but I think it was kind of a lot, like $4.99) So of course I had to do it! I saw that the photo was taken by Peter Mountain, Johnny's longtime friend who is the set photographer for most of Johnny's films these days (he also played the "fop" in Sweeney Todd- featured in the song A Little Priest). He always takes the best set photos! I'm guessing this is an actual scene (or at least a recreation). I am absolutely blown away by this photo and can't wait to see more! (Nice to have a better reaction than I did for those first photos with Bella Heathcote that were leaked, when my reaction was... hmm [snow_laugh] ) I'm really surprised that some folks don't like this one, but to each their own.
Weren't Barnabas and Liz sorta in cahoots for awhile during the Leviathan storyline? It's been so long since I watched it, though.
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By the way, this is kind of a longshot, but--
Johnny and Michelle have both been announced as presenters for tomorrow's Golden Globes Awards. Angelina Jolie will also present, and my first thought was that Johnny and Angelina might present together, to give host Ricky Gervais a hard time (anyone who watched the ceremony last year knows what I'm talking about- Ricky skewered their movie The Tourist). But a poster on I think the Johnny Depp Zone brought up the possibility that Johnny and Michelle might present together. It's an interesting thought, though I'm still betting on the first possibility. But you never know! Either way, they'll both be there, for anyone interested in watching.
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my first thought was that Johnny and Angelina might present together, to give host Ricky Gervais a hard time (anyone who watched the ceremony last year knows what I'm talking about- Ricky skewered their movie The Tourist).
Speaking of that, Ricky Gervais was on The Ellen Degeneres Show on Thursday (I didn't get to watch it until last night) and they showed the hilarious leaked clip from HBO's Life's Too Short (that's also on YouTube - and linked to in this topic) of Depp visiting Gervais in his office, going on about how successful DS is likely to be - more successful than any film Gervais has ever made, and basically trashing him for what went on during last year's Golden Globes.
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Obsessing over the new photo, as I've obsessed over the other photos from the new movie. To me, it looks as if Barnabas is confronting Liz and I'm wondering if this scene references the scene in the series in which Liz announces that she does not want to attend Barnabas's costume party. Perhaps Barnabas is trying to convince her that she should wear the costume he picked out for her and come to the party in spite of her reservations?
As for the previous comments about the lyrics of the Vampire State Building's song, I used to think they were singing, "Mustang vest" but now I think that they're singing "blood-stained vest."
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interesting remarks about grey gardens and the "hermetically sealed" atmosphere of collinwood.
what's notable about the OS is how much of what the show became was simply based on accident and happenstance.
when the series began it was not a "hermetically sealed" world. with the exception of liz who never left the place much of the action was focused in town...the diner, the inn, the cannery...and other offsite locations.
however once the barnabas character became established suddenly the old house became a semi-permanent set. in a cramped studio with probably only room for three or four sets per episode that meant other less important locations got dropped. when crypts and basement laboratories become the main locations suddenly there is less need for diners and canneries.
also when you've suddenly got a main character who can only exist at night the tone of the series changes completely. it becomes a "night show" and sets and locations that represent a daylit world...again in town businesses and so forth...become unnecessary.
and of course the "five characters per episode" budgetary restrictions meant that the cast usually consisted of core members of collins family or other collinwood residents like julia. all of this was happenstance yet in ended up creating an atmosphere of claustrophobia and of a "hermetically sealed" world.
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Those are all well taken points. What's fascinating to me about the tweets during the movie production is references to sequences shot at the Cannery, and even, if I am not mistaken, in the Collinsport harbor. We never saw anything like that even in the early months of 1966.
Of course, whether those sequences will make it into the finished film... who knows?
G.
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the noise over on FB has piped up again this time courtesy of...of all people...ann magnusan.
apparently she's not pleased with the recent picture of depp in costume as barnabas, again the pale thing, and lots of people chimed in. of course there are even those who speculated that frid must be outraged. and again most of the replies are treating this as new information.
i guess magnusan must consider herself an expert on vampires via her brief appearance in 'the hunger'.
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Interesting. Or should I say, curious?
Have these people never seen the numerous vampire films where the vamp is always pale? Have they never read the numerous vamp novels/short stories in which the vamp is always described as "pale"?
And as for Frid, have they never seen the DS eps in which it would be an understatement to describe Barn's look/Frid's makeup as "pale"? For one, and as Taeylor mentioned, they should just check out the Leviathan eps after Barn is turned into a vampire again. To say the least, Barn's vamp look is pale and entirely to the extreme!
And I wonder what Ann Magnusan's views are on vamps with Pepe Le Pu white streaks in their hair? The look for Depp's Barn is nowhere near that extreme, and yet some people tend to completely forget about how Frid's Barn had that look for months in 1970. [snow_rolleyes]
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There's a new? grainy pic of Johnny as Barnabas showing up on tumblr. Not sure if it's new-new, but I haven't seen it and am not sure where it originates from.
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Hmmm... Okay... Not really a big fan of that picture. I wonder where it's from and why it was taken. [snow_huh]
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Unfortunately, or fortunately if you're a Depp fan, literally hundreds of photos seem to come up when one searches tumblr for him. Any chance of sharing the URL to that photo? [snow_smiley]
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(link removed by admin.)
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Thanks, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
As for the photo, it looks like a scan from a magazine - particularly because it has Peter Mountain's credit. But the question is: what magazine? There are so many possibilities (especially with a lot of entertainment magazines doing issues now on the upcoming films of 2012) - and I haven't been to a bookstore lately to check anything out...
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What lovely big claws you sport. Baby Barnadepp!
G.
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Uhhh...did anyone else get a 'BAD WEBSITE BLOCKED!!! [snow_wow] ' message, after a second, with that photobucket link? Either my computer is overly paranoid or I have to watch out for photobucket links now too.. [nerv]
But, just incase. Here's a link from a tumblr source for that pic: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxuxi7W1aN1qfc55k.jpg
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I didn't receive any warning like that. But I have in the past with photobucket. So, just on the off chance that something might be up, I've removed the link in Cousin_Barnabas' post.
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[snowball] Fantastic! Now I am spreading viruses... and have to scan my computer. The things I do for this movie. [snow_ghost]
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Oh, it ain't you! It's just the whole darn internet that's dangerous, Cousin_Barnabas! [sad5]
I'd just thought I'd mention what had happened, just incase. But my scans have turned up clean & I hope yours do too! [snow_smiley]
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i think the problem here can be traced back to one name...frank langella.
before langella the history of cinematic vampires was filled with white-faced ghouls. suddenly the count is an open-shirted, blow-dried, disco-era lothario. i still remember when i was a kid my mother and her friends swooning over langella. he changed the game completely.
fast-forward and now we've got the tween 'twilight' twinks. i believe they sort of sparkle, is that correct?
anyways what depp seems to be channelling is the vampire in the classical sense. what's ironic is that much of this discord is coming from people who fancy themselves DS and horror "purists". one would think that they'd be pleased with this return to vampire tradition but people like to complain and here this is what they've chosen to take umbrage with. [snow_rolleyes]
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Funny you should mention the Langella Dracula flick, I was just capping that last night for my horror movie theme tumblr. Parts of it are extremely goofy for this day and age, but man, does it have awesome atmosphere.
Sorry about not providing a link to the pic before, I thought I had!
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Depp in the costume ball still looks really ... Byronic. Which could be a tacit nod to where it all began, with Dr Polidori's fantasy scenario about Lord "Ruthven" (aka Byron) and swooning over the prospect of having the life sucked out of him by this dark haired vampire beauty (male).
It's not clear to me from the material that has been released whether Barnabas gets encoffined in the 1770s, or in the more usual 1790s. The look in that still doesn't really work for the 1770s but could just work for 1795 or thereabouts. At least that is how I see it.
Of course 18th century men could be notorious dandies complete with face powder, "black patches" (beauty marks), etc. If Depp does a flashback sequence, his Barnabas in situ might wind up looking like Countess Natalie du Pres as portrayed by our beloved Grayson. lol
cheers, G.
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Oh, it ain't you! It's just the whole darn internet that's dangerous, Cousin_Barnabas! [sad5]
I'd just thought I'd mention what had happened, just incase. But my scans have turned up clean & I hope yours do too! [snow_smiley]
Oh, I know! hahaha It's so terrible...
But, yes, my scans came up clean, and I am glad yours did too! [blob1]
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And as for Frid, have they never seen the DS eps in which it would be an understatement to describe Barn's look/Frid's makeup as "pale"? For one, and as Taeylor mentioned, they should just check out the Leviathan eps after Barn is turned into a vampire again. To say the least, Barn's vamp look is pale and entirely to the extreme!
Granted, I haven't really seen any Barnabas-era DS eps since the original run, and back then our TV reception probably wasn't all that great, so my main recollection of Barnabas' appearance is from HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS, in which Barnabas doesn't appear pale at all. But I have a hard time suspending disbelief when characters aren't fazed by a vampire's deathly/ghostly white complexion, buying them as normal human beings. That being said, I'll certainly reserve judgment on Tim Burton's DS until I've seen it. The latest quotes from him were very reassuring, making it sound like they were aiming for essentially the same vibe as in the original series.
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Maybe not, I went to school with two unrelated kids who were white as a sheet of paper, one was blonde and one had black hair. It's not too uncommon that people would really remark on it.
Maybe they were secretly vampires? :D
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I have seen the picture of Depp and Pfeiffer. Miss Winthrop approves of Barnabas's look. [snow_wow] The picture I've seen is basically from the shoulders and up. Haven't seen a full-length pic yet as some of you are alluding to. Noticed Liz's jewelry. Looks like a gothic-type cross to me. I think that might be a no-no if it's a silver cross.
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Personally, I love the pale makeup. As has been mentioned, in the original series Barnabas' makeup was often very pronounced when he was in his vampiric state. Lugosi was also known for his Dracula pallor. The glorious artifice of the gothic aesthetic allows for this type of exaggerated look. Down with naturalism!!
All that said, Depp looks very young in that makeup.
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All that said, Depp looks very young in that makeup.
Which actually fits in quite well with the original Barnabas backstory.
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Looks like one studio is at least marketing its vampire film...
http://www.reelz.com/movie-news/12883/new-poster-and-stills-for-abraham-lincoln-vampire-hunter/ (http://www.reelz.com/movie-news/12883/new-poster-and-stills-for-abraham-lincoln-vampire-hunter/)
Honestly if I were a producer, at this point, and there were no posters or trailers, I would be very unnerved. Unless Warners pulls something major in the next few months, how do they expect this movie to perform well?
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I agree. I guess their strategy is an all out blitz in the months to come unless the studio plans on pushing the movie's release back.
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If we do not have a trailer by the time The Woman in Black is released (Feb 3), I will begin thinking that is a serious possibility. [snow_sad]
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Well, it must be true that Depp and Venessa Paradis have split because it's the cover story of the upcoming issue of People - and People never reports things that aren't 100% true. ... Yeah, right. [snow_rolleyes]
But for what it's worth, both Access Hollywood and Extra partnered with People on fairly lengthy segments tonight. But could either show mention DS? Well, of course not. Why ruin a great tabloid story (that still seems to have nothing but some circumstantial evidence to back it up) with something that is actually 100% factual, like DS being Depp's next film...
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Believe me, I would WELCOME a little bit of attention for DS rather than all this attention to his personal life, which really should be his own business [snow_cheesy] (I still don't really believe these reports, because they are full of holes and inaccuracies, which I won't get into here, but it's hard not to wonder a little bit when things have reached this level! But whatever the case may be, I wish them both and their kids the best). But despite all this, or maybe because of it, now would really be a good time to get that trailer out there!! And we could use a few more stills, too, while we're at it!
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OMG! Michelle stole the Barnabas ring! And she even put it on the right finger!
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3311317760/nm0000201 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3311317760/nm0000201)
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3462312704/nm0000201 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3462312704/nm0000201)
In all seriousness though, coincidence, fashion statement, or the first part of the film's promotion? [snow_wink]
I just stumbled upon these images and thought it would be fun to share, since we don't have anything else to look at. [snow_happy]
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OMG! Michelle stole the Barnabas ring! And she even put it on the right finger!
It does look like a Barnabas ring. [snow_wink]
And speaking of IMDB, I see where last week DS climbed from #375 up to #227 based on several more articles about the upcoming movies of 2012, an article about DS being part of MTV's Movie Brawl poll, and, ironically, an article about Depp and Vanessa Paradis ringing in the New Year with their kids.
And speaking of those articles about the upcoming movies, apparently we missed some that mention DS:
50 Movies We Can't Wait to See in 2012 (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/2012-movies-preview/)
10 películas geek de 2012 que no hay que perderse (http://alt1040.com/2012/01/10-peliculas-geek-de-2012-que-no-hay-que-perderse)
(Not in English - but you should be able to translate it with your browser.)
A Look Ahead at the Films of 2012 (http://www.destroythebrain.com/2012/01/03/a-look-ahead-at-the-films-of-2012/)
25 Films We Want To See in 2012 (http://www.buzzfocus.com/2012/01/04/most-anticipated-films-2012/)
And this list actually picks Frankenweenie over DS: Top 100 Most Anticipated Films of 2012: #52. Tim Burton's Frankenweenie (http://www.ioncinema.com/news/id/6947/top-100-most-anticipated-films-of-2012-52-tim-burtons-frankenweenie)
[snow_mad]
And finally, and quite interestingly, this week DS fell a bit - down to #267 - despite the fact of all the online articles showcasing the new photo of Barn and Liz...
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Lots of lists!
And speaking of IMDB, on the message board, someone linked to this larger image of the new Barnabas still. It's VERY Burton. Not liking it too much. And, more frighteningly that the pose and the expression, which I am not too wild about, look at the background. What is the "poster" to the far left and what is on top of the mantle?
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/390/ajhu1shciaa22usjpglarge.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/390/ajhu1shciaa22usjpglarge.jpg)
I would feel better if I knew the context of this... You have one great still with Barn and Liz and then you have this one. Then again, we could tell the context with the previous one. Here, we have no idea where he is. My best guess would be Angelique's place. At least, I am hoping it isn't Collinwood, unless it's one of the kids' bedrooms. There's just too much "stuff" strung about that neither looks old nor creepy. [snow_strange]
But, it's just another clue to the mystery... A trailer would help a lot. [snow_cry]
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Interesting photo. Thanks, Cousin, for the link. The Fu Manchu fingernails don't work for me. Neither does the Dresden dolls lipstick. Ah well.
DS was referenced as well in a short article about a proposed Dracula series for NBC, possibly in the Fall of 2012. The journalist managed to spell Barnabas correctly and mentioned the Burton-Depp confection. Otherwise, there was really no point to posting the link here.
Best, Gothick
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Thanks Cousin_Barnabas. Glad to see more bloggers looking for the trailer too. http://collider.com/dark-shadows-movie-image-2/139131/
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Interesting photo. I've noticed in other photos, the length of the finger-nails. I also believe the fingers themselves are extended considerably. How strange.
If someone who looked like this were to show-up at your door, claiming to be a long-lost cousin, would you welcome him into your home? Embrace him as family? I'm afraid they may be going a bit too over-board with the "freaky" look. After all, we have to be able to suspend our disbelief. That will be a lot to ask, in this case.
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Those finger-nails would have gotten my attention real fast. Warner Bros. Pictures tweeted the pics very recently: https://twitter.com/#!/wbpictures/status/160140791967256577
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Bleh. I have never liked the fingernails and like them even less in their closeup. But Michelle looks great!
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I didn't realize you could enlarge the photo to this size. Can anyone identify that poster on the wall in the background?
http://twitpic.com/89a8dh/full
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It's a Led Zeppelin poster
http://www.classicposters.com/Led_Zeppelin/poster/Bill_Graham/199
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Thanks Cousin. I thought it was a LZ poster but I couldn't confirm it. Thanks so much.
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My pleasure ♥
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So Carolyn's room?
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Must be unless Roger is into that sort of thing. Or David.
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I'm guessing it's Carolyn's room as the character likes Alice Cooper; David is probably too young for that band but who knows. Good point VictoriaWinters1991. It could be Roger's room since this is a Tim Burton movie. jk
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every time a new picture appears the crazies over on FB come out of the woodwork.
i don't understand this whole obsession with the notion of whether or not one is a "real" fan. it gets thrown around like some sort of insult. as if someone would sit around and watch 1200 episodes of an old television show if they didn't like it.
anyone who isn't beside themselves about depp's fingernails is hysterically told that they're not a "real fan". whatevs. [snow_huh]
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Haha, michael c. I don't even know where the DS network is on FB, but it sounds like a whole slew of winners! [snow_wow]
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I was hoping EW would have more but of course not. http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/01/20/dark-shadows-new-shot-of-johnny-depp/
There are so many FB DS pages and no one really knows who they are speaking to.
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I was a Black Sabbath, Led Zep, and Alice Cooper fan when I was 10 years old so I'd say David is old enough.
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Borgosi you have a good memory. I don't remember who I liked at age 10 in terms of music acts. At about 13 I got into Neil Young.
MTV offered up an apology. http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2012/01/20/dark-shadows-johnny-depp/
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Warner Brothers now has the DS movie listed on their website under the "Upcoming Titles" heading. No photos or information yet -- the listing links to their press release for 2012, which I'm guessing they're using as a placeholder. Hopefully, this means that the promotional campaign will start soon.
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Well, what do you know - I just watched last night's installment of Entertainment Tonight, and as part of yet another segment on Depp/Paradis, they actually brought up DS:
Here's a Shockwave Flash file showcasing the reference:
[spoiler]http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Entertainment_Tonight_2012_01_20.swf
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I'm not happy with the quality - but it's the only type of video the system will currently play directly. However, here's a Flash Video version that you can play (if you have a plug-in for it (like the VLC Multimedia Plug-in) installed in your browser) or download (if you don't) which has better quality:
Entertainment Tonight 01/20/2012 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Entertainment_Tonight_2012_01_20.flv)
Not that It really matters right now as we've all seen the cast photo (though not quite as closeup on Depp) - but hopefully when more segments begin to air as DS gets closer to release, it will be a way to share better quality versions of those segments. [snow_smiley]
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Jimbo - I remember because my best friends older brother gave me three tapes and they were Sabbath, Zep, and Cooper until then I listened to the radio and Saturday Morning bands, you know, the Monkeys, The Archies, the Groovie Goovies. When I got those tapes I started to take music serious. It changed my life. Until then the most important entertainment in my life was "horror" movies.
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Thanks for that, MB. That's amazing quality on that photo. This version of BarnaDepp looks more Frid-like than the other glimpses we have seen, but it was the day before shooting began, so presumably Depp was still working on making the role his own.
G.
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Thanks for that clip, MB!
It's nice to see it being mentioned. I am sure when footage gets released, these shows will be all over it... At least I hope. [snow_wink]
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It would be a bit ironic if we got a trailer when it was time for post # 1966 or 1972 to come around...
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Sadly, no such irony - I just realized that reply #1973 has already been posted and still no trailer or poster. And when you think about it, time is marching on because -
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'Tis indeed disheartening. Oh well... the next DS milestone will be 1991... But that means it would have to come out in the next few days... [snow_wink]
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Thanks MB for the ET installment upload. That is amazing.
Borgosi thanks for sharing your memories. It would be funny if it is Roger's room.
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Two interesting developments:
The first is that thanks chiefly to what's being attributed to the latest photo of Depp as Barnabas (yes, the one of him presumably in Carolyn's bedroom - the one of him with the fingernails - the one that was ripped apart on that Facebook group), DS had hit a new high of #158 on IMDb's MOVIEmeter. [thumb] And speaking of that photo, yes, not everyone is loving it, but as far as I've noticed on several Web sites, the majority of responses have been favorable. True, several people have simply said that it doesn't matter to them what Depp looks like because he's a brilliant actor and they'll go see in anything he does. But more people have actually referenced the fact that Depp seems to be going for the "classic" vampire look, and they approve. So, it's nice to see that there are more people on the Internet than one might expect (particularly if one goes by that Facebook group) whose memories actually go back further than the last ten years or so...
And the second thing is that there's been a slight change with regard to the DS film's Web site. The URL is still not http://darkshadows.warnerbros.com - but nor is it http://www.darkshadowsthemovie.com. The two have joined together to become http://darkshadowsthemovie.warnerbros.com. I just happened to discover this when I went back to the posts in which we were discussing the URL and I clicked on both previous URLs to see if any developments have been made. darkshadows.warnerbros.com still brought up an error (as it would now that we know the actual URL) and darkshadowsthemovie.com now forwards you to darkshadowsthemovie.warnerbros.com. Unfortunately, nothing is there yet but what looks to be a blank page (through the code is actually<html><head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"></head><body></body></html>the bare minimum these days to display a blank page) - but at least it's no longer bringing up the error that meant that nothing was going on with the site. Now someone has indeed uploaded the code to display a blank page. And that hopefully means that a day that will possibly be sooner rather than later the Web site will actually have something worth checking out.
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Clicking on the last two links I get this: "This error (HTTP 400 Bad Request) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the web server, but the webpage could not be found because of a problem with the address." Hope the site is up and running very soon.
Glad to see DS rising at IMDb.
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Clicking on the last two links I get this: "This error (HTTP 400 Bad Request) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the web server, but the webpage could not be found because of a problem with the address."
How weird - it's still coming up perfectly fine in Windows with Firefox, Google Chrome, and other Mozilla-based browsers - and with all of the Linux browsers that I have installed. [hdscrt] Or not so weird considering we're talking about IE. The insanity that is IE never fails to astound me! [Blow_Up_IE]
Hopefully this doesn't mean that IE will have problems with the film's Web site. Though I would tend to doubt that once it goes live with actual content...
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Hey guys! I just wanted to stop in an say how much I am loving the new picture. As I have commented before Johnny's makeup doesn't come even close to being as harsh as Frid's was in the Leviathan eps. Plus they were using flat video tape so it really was harsh. However, with lights, film, filters on the makeup etc. it could all look different.
And yes there are so many people on FB in some of the groups that are so hateful. It is so nice to be here in a great controlled environment where everyone respects everyone else. I am so excited and so glad there is a this great board!
Can't wait guys!
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Regarding MB's DS film links, Safari and Firefox for Mac both work, too, even though the page is blank. I think the fact that they even have a working blank page up now is a good sign! Continuing to cross fingers...
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another thing to bear in mind that no matter how heavily frid was or wasn't made up during 1897(or any other storyline for that matter)is that depp is not playing jonathan frid he is playing barnabas collins. there is a difference. and depp is entitled to put his own spin on the character.
frid never wore a mullet and acid washed jeans either yet that was ben cross' take on barnabas' look and everyone doesn't complain about that. [snow_huh]
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One of the most absurd complaints that I remember about Cross' casting as Barnabas was that Barnabas would sound too English because Cross was from England. And mind you, this was before anyone had even heard Cross speak one word as Barnabas, so no one really knew what sort of accent he would have in the role. But even if that was going to turn out to be the case, apparently the complainers had forgotten that Barnabas' backstory/lie was that he'd just come from England, so why shouldn't he have sounded as English as anyone else who'd actually lived there? But, of course - and you hit the nail on the head - the real reason behind the complaint was that Frid's Barnabas never had an English accent, so naturally, in the complainers' minds, Cross' Barnabas shouldn't either, no matter how much sense it could make for Barnabas to actually have one. And there seems to be a similar lack of logic with some of the complaints about this film...
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Well I think Johnny of course is giving a nod to the old show. And I personally think that is very cool!!
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Talk about bizarre. The site has a "bad rating" according to my antivirus... How is that even possible? That means Warners has a bad rating... which, after checking, it does. [snow_wow]
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Exactly. Another point that goes over the heads of the complainers is that the man who originated the role of Barnabas Collins, and is most identified with the role, doesn't believe he owns the role. He's been open to other interpretations of it, wishing the actors well, etc.
Nancy
another thing to bear in mind that no matter how heavily frid was or wasn't made up during 1897(or any other storyline for that matter)is that depp is not playing jonathan frid he is playing barnabas collins. there is a difference. and depp is entitled to put his own spin on the character.
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I think the fact that they even have a working blank page up now is a good sign! Continuing to cross fingers...
Yes, it's sort of sad and funny at the same time that we're so starved for any sort of developments that even a blank page at the Web site can get us excited. [snow_laugh] But it IS progress. [snow_wink]
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That is true unfortunately. On Twitter the movie's writer is asking for assistance on the last released picture. There are some interesting comments.
Seth Grahame-Smith@sethgs
I've been trying to come up with a caption for this picture of Barnabas. Any ideas? #DarkShadows http://pic.twitter.com/z5LXuTr4
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96% want to see this movie at this site. They do need to correct the movie's writer.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dark-shadows-2010/
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Great that it's getting 96%. Thanks for the link. [snow_smiley] And, yes, DC has most definitely not written the screenplay!
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Thanks.
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I just caught that on second look and edited my post (apparently while you were posting). [snow_wink]
At first I thought you were referring to what's been written about the film itself and that something there was off, but I didn't catch anything...
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If I'm not mistaken isn't this site often referred to by other various media when a new movie comes out? I guess this is a real good sign for DS being highly rated.
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OK - now apparently we're both editing our posts. [snow_cheesy] So just for the record, jimbo originally told me that they incorrectly identify DC as the writer. [snow_wink]
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If I'm not mistaken isn't this site often referred to by other various media when a new movie comes out? I guess this is a real good sign for DS being highly rated.
Yes, several sites do refer to Rotten Tomatoes - but they refer to the critics' consensus vs. the audience's opinion. Those numbers won't actually appear until after the film comes out.
Actually, this is the first time that I was even aware that before a film comes out they have a "want to see" percentage. But then I've never gone there to check on a film before it's come out. I usually check after I've seen something to see if I agree or disagree...
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the next DS milestone will be 1991... But that means it would have to come out in the next few days... [snow_wink]
Well, we can cross off both 1991 and 1995. [snow_wink]
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Actually IMDb has Dan Curtis listed as a writer for the movie (characters) and I guess Rotten Tomatoes just copied it. I'm still waiting for the NY Times to correct Dr. Julie's name. I mean haven't they had enough time to correct its mistake? Sorry about the quick editing on the other post-for once I was too fast.
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Yes, apparently someone over at IMDb is under the misconception that DC and not Art Wallace created most of the characters who will appear in the film. [snow_rolleyes] Though that should be cleared up with the film's actual credits.
As for the NY Times, who knows? It's been like that for over a year, hasn't it? Even before any of the actual casting news started to come out at the beginning of last February.
And don't worry about the editing. [snow_smiley] The only reason I brought it up and explained things was so that people wouldn't be confused...
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Well, we can cross off both 1991 and 1995. [snow_wink]
2004, 2012. [snow_cheesy] Because we will have SOMETHING by Saturday. I can feel it!
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Well I think Johnny of course is giving a nod to the old show. And I personally think that is very cool!!
true depp is definitely channeling frid in many ways...the spiky bangs, the inverness cape...but when people freak out that "frid never wore that much makeup!" it's too much to take.
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^ And not to mention that perhaps Frid would've liked to have a little more makeup if he were to have the luxury of spending several hours a day in a makeup chair, as they do for a big budget film! It was never going to be any great leap to realize that a major motion picture made in the 2010's is going to look different than a daytime show made in the 1960's.
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[pointing-up]
[lol3] It's so true it's funny!
Oh and by Saturday, I meant next Saturday. But we'll be past the posts by that point anyway, so if my feeling is wrong, it won't be that big of a disappointment. [snow_cheesy]
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I just got excited when I received a tweet on my phone from GK Films and started to read that it was about the release of a trailer - but the excitement lasted about two seconds - long enough for me to see the trailer is for Guy Pearce's upcoming film Lockout. [snow_sad] But one day it will be a tweet for DS. Who knows what day?! But one day...
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Was it here or another discussion group that someone speculated the trailer might be attached to the upcoming Daniel Radcliffe movie (The Woman In Black, I think??) I think that comes out Feb. 3, so I'm crossing my fingers. Also, has anyone heard anything about Super Bowl spots? I seem to recall hearing that WB wasn't going to do any this year, but I might've imagined that. I seem to remember one or two movie trailers debuting during the Super Bowl in the past.
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I didn't even think of the Super Bowl. And, yes, I think somebody did mention a DS trailer possibly coming out with The Woman in Black. Cousin_Barnabas, perhaps...
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Woman in Black is where I have my money. And, yes madscntst, you remember right. No Warner Bros. spots this Super Bowl. [snow_angry]
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Well, that leaves out the Super Bowl, then. [snow_sad]
And with The Woman in Black - wouldn't a trailer tied to a film be from the same studio as the film? But I don't think TWiB is a Warner Bothers film...
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Not necessarily, MB. Trailers get mixed frequently. Do you remember the stir caused by Warners when they attached TDKR preview to the MI film, a non-Warners release?
Woman in Black is from CBS and Hammer. CBS is just returning to the film industry, so their film repertoire is limited; and Hammer is also finding new life, so Warners could very well decide to stick DS with this release, as the content would appear very similar and the companies releasing the film don't really have a lot of their own projects to promote. [snow_smiley]
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And this is a pretty significant move on the part of Lionsgate:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/one-week-delay-what-expect-when-youre-expecting-34834 (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/one-week-delay-what-expect-when-youre-expecting-34834)
It means that they are expecting Shadows to be a big draw for their audience, and that they don't want to fight it in opening week.
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Thanks Cousin_Barnabas. I wonder why it took so long for Lionsgate to make the change. I think this helps both movies and WB is probably happy with this move. OK where is this trailer? I have no idea what WB's marketing strategy is for this movie.
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Do you remember the stir caused by Warners when they attached TDKR preview to the MI film, a non-Warners release?
Maybe I missed that. Or if I saw it, maybe I didn't really pay it all that much attention because I honestly have no memory of it. About the only thing I remember about one of TDKR trailers is how fans complained that they couldn't understand what the character Bain said in it so Warner Brothers tweaked it so they could hear it better. And at the time I remember musing that they should have been grateful that they even had a trailer. [snow_wink] But, of course, it's all relative - and I'm sure they weren't even paying attention to the fact that DS didn't (and still doesn't) have any.
On the film's front we can actually be happy that it didn't make a list in the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly - but we can perhaps be not so happy that it did place elsewhere.
As for the possibly not so happy, Depp/Barn's photo (simply his head from the recent Barn/Liz photo) is pinned to the fifth ring of this week's The Bullseye with the caption: "As Barnabas Collins in Dark Shadows, Johnny Depp with have the sharpest fingers since Edward Scissorhands and the worst haircut since Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." Though the whole point of The Bullseye is to poke fun at such things. And at least he did place on the bullseye (and not even on the last ring). And as anyone familiar with that feature of EW knows, there are generally at least four other things that don't even hit the bullseye. Some weeks they're not even on the same page!
But on the plus side, DS didn't make EW's list for Hollywood's BIggest Gambles for this year. For varying reasons, that article includes John Carter, Men In Black 3, The Amazing Spider-Man, The Great Gatsby, Battleship, Rock Of Ages, The Bourne Legacy, Mirror Mirror/Snow White & The Huntsman, and Prometheus.
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over on FB kathy cody is stirring up the pot with some highly dubious photos presented as "stills" from the movie. [snow_rolleyes]
one being a very 1990's looking shot of a long-haired depp supposedly "in character" that is clearly photoshopped. another a shot of a fanged alice cooper. someone posted a link to the movie the still actually comes from...an upcoming film called "suck"... but it hasn't stopped the rumor mill from speculating as to why copper is a vampire in DS. [snow_rolleyes]
needless to say there were even those who said that they preferred the long-haired "interview with a vampire" era depp to the take on barnabas we're actually getting.
and the incessant complaints about how pale depp is are growing too wearying for words. [snow_rolleyes]
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It's extremely sad to say, but combining this latest behavior with her apparent refusal a few months back to accept that words were put in Helena Bonham Carter's mouth that she clearly had never said, it would seem as if Ms. Cody hasn't matured beyond the age of 12. [snow_undecided]
I would honestly suspect that it isn't even the real Kathleen Cody but actually some troll pretending to be her if it wasn't for the fact that so many people feel completely confident that it really is her...
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i'd generally be inclined to think it was an imposter as well...
but it does appear to actually be cody. i'm not sure why i'm confident in that but i am. [snow_undecided]
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I wasn't able to find the photos in question, but I don't think I ever saved a link to her DS group- I only found her page as an actor/director, and other DS groups I know of don't seem to be the one. Well, most of Johnny's photo shoots (and even candids, events, etc.) are very well known to the Depp fan community, and such things could never be passed off there, but it's a shame if anyone can get away with that in the DS community :( I wonder why she is devoting time and effort into such negative pursuits? (Unless as you say, it could possibly be an imposter, in which case I wonder why an imposter would devote time for that in addition to posing as someone else? Uy.
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what i find astonishing is that our dusty old soap opera, and i mean that with great affection, is being turned into a very big budget, star studded affair and there are those who will nitpick and complain about it to death.
most old television shows get tossed into the dustbin. and daytime soaps NEVER make it to the big screen. no one is spending 65 million dollars to send the recently cancelled 'as the world turns' to the multiplex. we have a great opportunity here.
who knows. it might be horrible and 4 months from now i might be eating my words but it just might be great.
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It's always fascinating as to which Web sites/links Google decides to actually send out alerts for and which they seem to only list if one checks out the "See all stories on this topic:" link in their alerts. One that I just came across by clicking that link, and one that I really wish they had sent out an alert for is this blog entry from last Saturday:
THE TRUTH ABOUT BARNABAS COLLINS (http://revealthescience.blogspot.com/2012/01/truth-about-barnabas-collins.html)
because more people should really see it because it lays out the evidence for how Depp's Barn is harkening back to the vampire looks of yore.
(And one can only wonder what the people on that Facebook group would think of what the blogger has to say. Though the sad thing is a lot of them would possibly dismiss him as not a "true" or "real" horror" fan even though it's clear that the opposite is the case. [snow_undecided] (And one also has to wonder if anyone over there on that group realizes that Gary Oldman's Dracula also had long fingernails? [snow_wink]))
And while we're on the subject of other sites/links that can come up on those Google listings, oddly enough, a link to this article from Thursday also came up:
Hot young movie stars: Thomas McDonell (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/jan/26/thomas-mcdonell-prom?newsfeed=true)
even though it has nothing to do with the release of the latest Depp/Barn photo - though it's obviously connected to the DS film.
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what i find astonishing is that our dusty old soap opera, and i mean that with great affection, is being turned into a very big budget, star studded affair and there are those who will nitpick and complain about it to death.
Another fascinating thing is there seems to be that type of fan in every fandom when it comes to remaking/reimagining a TV show/film. Instead of waiting to actually see how the finished product turns out, they begin tearing the new version to shreds from day one of its announcement. The phenomenon is seemingly unavoidable...
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2004, 2012. [snow_cheesy]
Oh and by Saturday, I meant next Saturday. But we'll be past the posts by that point anyway
Yes, we're already well past those posts. But it would be nice to think that a DS trailer will be released to theaters this coming Friday, particularly because -
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- now means that there are less than 15 full weeks until the film opens. Though something I didn't realize the other day when I posted about GK Films' tweet is that Guy Pearce's Lockout opens on April 20th, so the trailer for that film only came out just a few days over 12 weeks before its opening...
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believe it or not ms.cody tried to give me a bit of flack when i called out her error about cooper.
it wasn't until she actually went to cooper's own website and saw the picture and film description there that she was satisfied.
that the people at this board know more about this film than an original series castmember who has first hand contact with jim pierson and is a guest the festival is very odd. she's really shooting blanks. [snow_huh]
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Maybe she's just jealous she didn't get invited to the filming. [snow_wink] [snow_cheesy]
IMO, Nancy Barrett, John Karlen, and a couple others are the only ones who deserved cameos in addition to Frid, Selby, Scott, and Parker. (And then there are those who have been out of the DS fandom for a while and those who have passed who deserved cameos as well,) But, there is always the next film... [snow_wink]
Yes, we're already well past those posts. But it would be nice to think that a DS trailer will be released to theaters this coming Friday,
I am hoping for something with Woman in Black, whether that be a poster or a trailer... even a teaser. It would be too good of an opportunity to miss.
The only other possibilities would seem to be the second week of February or March with the only Warners releases... And that March date is a little late for my tastes.
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She will kick (and has) kicked people off of her group for disagreeing with her or asking for something to back up claims she makes. So tread carefully . . .
believe it or not ms.cody tried to give me a bit of flack when i called out her error about cooper.
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Wow - quite possibly I overestimated when I said it seemed as if her development became arrested at 12. If that's her M.O., it would seem to have occurred at a much younger age. [snow_undecided]
But getting back to the film, I was just glancing over the cast list on IMDb for the first time in months and noticed someone new:
Matt Tyzack ... Townsperson (uncredited)
There also seems to have been tons of behind the scenes personnel added, including someone as a "weather consultant". I have to confess that's a position I've never seen before. And considering the odd weather Collinsport generally has, one can only imagine what his duties were! [snow_laugh]
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So, at least Warner Bros. has taken a web domain for the new DS movie and hopefully a trailer soon.
http://darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com/
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The following article includes Gulliver McGrath:
Josh Lawson: And other Aussies abroad (http://www.melbourneweeklyportphillip.com.au/news/local/news/general/josh-lawson-and-other-aussies-abroad/2437206.aspx)
Who knew McGrath had worked with Guy Pearce, who we were just talking about the other day. Small world.
And there's also:
Johnny Depp In Dark Shadows: Looking Good? (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2012/01/johnny_depp_in.php)
"Streisand-like nails." [stfl] (Though I wonder if she would appreciate that reference? [b003]) But maybe Michelle Pfeiffer really was jealous. [lghy]
And for what it's worth (and only because the situation has been mentioned previously in this topic):
Vanessa Paradis: Rumors of Johnny Depp Split Are "False" (http://www.eonline.com/news/vanessa_paradis_rumors_of_johnny_depp/289201)
Though regardless of whether the reports have been true or false, at least one good thing did come out of the coverage: it finally got DS mentioned on Entertainment Tonight when apparently nothing else could. [snow_rolleyes]
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After looking around YouTube for something completely non-DS-related, I decided to look around to see if there was anything movie related that no one had posted about, and sure enough I found these:
Movie Bytes: Dark Shadows 2012 Sneak Peak : Beyond The Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB3OeaEMml8)
Movie Bytes: Summer Movies 2012 : Beyond The Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjsKKKRHkxk)
(They seem to have the same opinion of how big The Avengers is likely to be as I do. Why couldn't it have been scheduled for release the week after DS instead of the week before? [snow_undecided])
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Oh, wow! Forget last week's #158 - DS has skyrocketed up to #65 on IMDb's MOVIEmeter. Once again the climb is being attributed to all the attention the latest Depp/Barn photo has been getting. Though articles of a different sort that they're also crediting are the Thomas McDonell peice I posted the link to the other day as well as this one (another that Google seems to have never sent out an alert for):
FYC Best Supporting Actress Michelle Pfeiffer (http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2012/1/25/fyc-best-supporting-actress-michelle-pfeiffer.html)
(And like them, even just judging by the few photos we've seen so far, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if DS ends up being nominated next year for Oscars in the categories of Best Costumes and Best Achievement in Art Direction.)
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Maybe WB knows exactly what it is doing with its marketing strategy.
Ms. Pfeiffer will have my vote. Maybe JD will win an Oscar?
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I know people who are very involved with her FB pages (and don't always agree with her but keep it to themselves) and this behavior we are seeing is indeed from Ms. Cody. Some folks will forsake common sense and fair play just to be involved with a DS actor's page. [snow_sick]
i'd generally be inclined to think it was an imposter as well...
but it does appear to actually be cody. i'm not sure why i'm confident in that but i am. [snow_undecided]
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A German pay TV broadcaster will eventually be showing the Dark Shadows movie and possibly in 3D(?).
http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php/2012013119276/sky-secures-warner-bros-movies.html
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(They seem to have the same opinion of how big The Avengers is likely to be as I do. Why couldn't it have been scheduled for release the week after DS instead of the week before? [snow_undecided])
That's right - promote it even more so it can be even bigger:
'The Avengers' assemble on Twitter for a live chat (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/01/the-avengers-assemble-on-twitter-for-a-live-chat.html)
And of course they're not forgoing promoting during Super Bowl XLVI. Of course not. Only Warner Brothers is apparently foolish enough to do that. [snow_rolleyes] Although, it could actually be that, as with the Comic Cons, Warner Brothers doesn't think they ever got enough bang for their buck when they've showcased their films in the past during the Super Bowl. [snow_undecided] Who knows? But why do I suspect The Avengers is going to get exactly what their studio is hoping for...
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Say so long to any chance DS ever had for in-theater promotion...
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86465 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86465)
In all honesty, I would love for DS to be pushed back to the fall... now more than ever.
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Just my opinion, but I think the Avengers and DS will appeal to very different audiences. I'm not going to bother analyzing since it's all been done before, but I think it would be a big surprise if anyone in Hollywood ever expected DS to be a "blockbuster" on the scale of Avengers/Spiderman etc. They are in radically different genres and occupy very different positions in current mass pop culture.
I think DS has a good chance of doing respectable business, but these big-ass comic book productions are a genre all to themselves, with tie-ins on so many levels, you can't crack a plate without stepping on some logo for one of the characters.
You have to admit that for something that has been practically invisible in terms of promotion, the buzz around DS among the hangers-on of the tinseltown world has been steady, constant, and pretty darn phenomenal.
cheers, G.
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Oh, I admit I am dazzled by the press DS is getting (without much of anything official to push it - that we know of), though I do go out of my way to look for it. [snow_wink] But, I was not expecting so much publicity from the Avengers side of things. Then again, I should have remembered it's a Disney movie... I still maintain Mother's Day will be the saving grace for Dark Shadows, especially with WTEWYE out of the way. I just don't want to see DS get lost in the "shadow" of the Avengers. It undoubtedly will, but, for one weekend, I'd like to see it get its dues. And I am not sure it will with all of this Avengers "stuff".
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I agree with you totally, Gothick. As for The Avengers, I have participated on a now-defunct movie box office site, and they were already discussing The Avengers YEARS ago- before it was even filmed. This movie has been hugely anticipated for a long, long time among comic book/action hero buffs. Of course, DS has been equally anticipated... by us. But I think that we are a much smaller focus group than they are. Again, I hope folks don't look at Johnny's box office returns for Pirates or Alice In Wonderland and expect DS to do the same. Johnny's films (and Burton's films) are not always huge mega-blockbusters. I just hope that it makes back its production budget, and that it's a great film [snow_smiley]
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Article concerning Depp's look in the movie and another mini-poll.
http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/01/10281950-depps-barnabas-collins-still-creepily-pale
Where is this darn trailer?
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http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/eva-green-talks-finding-love-at-the-end-of-world-in-perfect-sense-her-electric-role-in-dark-shadows
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I never really expected DS to have popcorn boxes and soda cups, so it doesn't disappoint me in the least that it probably won't - and it doesn't surprise me in the least that The Avengers will because that's the type of film that tends to have them. And I've never really expected tie-ins with McDonald's or Burger King or any other fast food restaurant chain, so it won't surprise me if that doesn't happen either. And even without knowing about The Avengers' theater deal I've been saying that chances are really very good that it will be the top film at the box office for at least two weeks in a row (meaning the highest DS might place its opening week is second) - and the theater deal and any other promotions it might have should only help to cement that. But DS doesn't have to place first to be a hit. The way first place at the box office is hyped all over the place one might think that, but plenty of films go on to be hits without ever coming in first, or even second - and more interestingly, plenty of films that do come in first their opening week go on to become box office disappointments (can you say last year's Green Lantern). The hype may be all about opening week, but the truth is the long haul. I mean, look at Depp's The Tourist - people wrote it off, but it went on to be a solid hit. (Though, of course, that memo hasn't gotten to everyone, particularly the person who wrote the article I linked to the other day and who was still laboring under the misconception that no one saw The Tourist. [snow_undecided] But then, it's so much more fun for those type of people to say such and such was a flop and to hold onto that idea regardless of the facts than it is for them to ever admit they were wrong. [snow_rolleyes])
DS will most likely never have the box office numbers that The Avengers is likely to amass - but as others have said, no one is really expecting it to. It would be nice to able to say that DS came in first its opening week. And maybe through some major miracle it will. But if it doesn't, it won't be the end of the world.
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Less than 100 days to go! [banana]
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Thanks for the recent links, jimbo and Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
another mini-poll.
Interesting that the results so far are pretty evenly divided with the majority of votes for reserving judgement, which is exactly what people should be doing. [snow_wink]
Where is this darn trailer?
It will come when it comes and, sadly, not any sooner. If asking, demanding or even begging for it could have brought it out, it would have come out a long time ago. [snow_wink] It's all an exercise in just how patient we can be. After all, patience is a virtue, right? And we can probably all do with a bit more...
But speaking of trailers, is the upcoming teaser trailer for The Avengers the first trailer for that film? I have to confess that I haven't been paying attention. But last night on Access Hollywood they showed a few seconds from it and said it was "the first look at the film." If that's true, then Avengers fans have been waiting just as long as we have for a trailer. Though, unlike us, they know when they're actually going to see one...
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It's true that we need to be a little more patient. I'm thinking that we won't see the trailer for several more weeks. (Now that I said this I'm hoping it comes out today jk)
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Heavens knows when we'll see it. Today would be nice - or even tomorrow. But I won't be holding my breath. [snow_cheesy] And anyone who has been holding their breath waiting is probably dead by now. [snow_laugh] Like I've said before, we could all die of anticipation. [snow_wink]
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And anyone who has been holding their breath waiting is probably dead by now.
But I told you - I am already dead!!
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That is funny Nancy.
IMAX now has added The Avengers to its website for its May 4th premiere. Patience I keep on telling myself.... http://www.imax.com/movies/m/marvels-the-avengers-an-imax-3d-experience/
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Another Eva Green interview:
Eva Green on Perfect Sense, Dark Shadows and Love in the Time of Calamity (http://www.movieline.com/2012/02/01/eva-green-on-perfect-sense-dark-shadows-and-love-in-the-time-of-calamity/)
And we should have seen this sort of foolishness coming:
Johnny Depp Getting Close To Costar Eva Green (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/johnny-depp-getting-close-costar-eva-green)
This despite the repeated insistence from Vanessa Paradis that she and Depp have not broken up. But then, what was I just saying earlier in this topic about the type of people who only want to believe what they want to believe regardless of what might actually be true? [snow_undecided]
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So... if this is not the most interesting and terribly anticlimactic thing you've ever seen...
www.darkshadowsthemovie.com (http://www.darkshadowsthemovie.com)
And darkshadows.warnerbros.com and darkshadowsthemovie.warnerbros.com both go to a "Server Not Found Page". Any ideas what any of this means - especially the first link's redirect?
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Are you using Internet Explorer? The reason I ask is because of what was happening before with IE and because with Firefox you don't get the "Server Not Found" Page. But with Firefox it's also no longer bringing up the blank page. Both URLs that used to bring up the blank page now redirect to the Warner Brothers Web site's home page.
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No, I'm using Firefox, and only the first link redirects to Warners. The second and third are "server not found"... So the first link which redirects to the Warners homepage is what had me concerned. Maybe it's just temporary while they work on the site. (Of course it could also mean they've abandoned the project, which is what had me distressed) But this is the first time it has happened to me, and I've been checking every day... So I am hoping it's just a temporary redirect until it redirects to a sub-section of the Warners site and not just the home page.
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I don't think they'd abandon the website! To me, this is a good sign, because it means they're tinkering. Tinkering is always good, in my book! Incidentally, there is another permutation, http://darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com/
(with "movie", without "the", with "warnerbros") that is also redirecting to WB.
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I had the exact same reaction as you, madscntst - and tinkering IS always a good thing. [snow_wink]
Quite honestly from a Web design perspective, it's never really a good idea for an URL to simply display a blank page, so more than likely that's why Warner Brothers now has the various permutations of the URL redirecting to their home page. At first they may have thought that few if any people would be checking out the site so soon, meaning without any actual content there. But I suspect quite a few of us have been - and they would be aware of that because all Web sites have a way of showing how many times they've been accessed and by how many unique visitors, so it would have made perfect sense for them to change the redirect to their home page to give people something to see/do rather than just giving them a blank page.
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Is Tim Burton so much of a control freak that he'd want to sign off even a simple front page for the movie website? I mean, honestly, black backdrop, standard title "Dark Shadows" in the DS font with a dark red halo around it, choose one of the four photos you've released (the cast photo would make most sense) and "The Journey Begins May 12, 2012" (or whatever the date is). And you're done, until Emperor Burton decides he's ready to release some real publicity materials.
I don't follow current industry crap at all so for all I know, this kind of endless dithering and delay is typical, but honestly... it leaves me baffled.
I also do not know why TBTP cannot simply announce a release date for the hoDS/NoDS DVDs. Again, how hard is this stuff?
cheers, Gothick
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As you said, people who want to believe something will. We've seen that here and elsewhere. I don't get it.
But then, what was I just saying earlier in this topic about the type of people who only want to believe what they want to believe regardless of what might actually be true? [snow_undecided]
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Incidentally, there is another permutation, http://darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com/
(with "movie", without "the", with "warnerbros") that is also redirecting to WB.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Quite honestly from a Web design perspective, it's never really a good idea for an URL to simply display a blank page, so more than likely that's why Warner Brothers now has the various permutations of the URL redirecting to their home page.
I feel that's a strong possibility, then again...
I mean, honestly, black backdrop, standard title "Dark Shadows" in the DS font with a dark red halo around it, choose one of the four photos you've released (the cast photo would make most sense) and "The Journey Begins May 12, 2012" (or whatever the date is).
is what I have ALWAYS seen on movie websites before their launch. So this WB redirect bothers me. Of course, they could be making it really cool and all, and that is why they aren't revealing anything yet. I don't know.
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I don't think the redirect is anything to worry about. Like madscntst, I doubt they've abandoned the Web site. Though that being said, the causes behind what would seem to us to be the lengthy delays with the Web site and the poster(s) and the trailer(s) are anyone's guess at this point...
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I was receiving the redirect until today. I guess they are still working on the site. Now I am getting this on IE:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
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Apache Server at darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com Port 80
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Same thing on Firefox... Hmmm... There is definitely something going on.
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That error probably means someone accidentally screwed up the execute permission on the Web site's root directory. (The root directory is what the / stands for.) And the most likely way that would have happened is if they were doing something. Of course, we have no idea what exactly they were doing. But they did something. And something is better than nothing. And they're likely to catch the problem once they go back to do something else...
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I think it's fantastic that they are giving us something new to speculate over. At least it has distracted us from the trailer issue... [snow_tongue]
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EW listed the DS movie No. 8 as the top 25 movies it can't wait to see this year.
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20566680,00.html
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Definitely nice to see DS on the list. And it's nice to see the films listed in their order of release because that makes all the films included equal in anticipation.
Changing reels: considering there doesn't seem to be a peep anywhere about a DS trailer, I suspect it's safe to presume that nothing came out with any of this week's new films. Oh, well. But as I suggested a while back, I suppose we just have to keep thinking that every week that goes by brings us one week closer to when the trailer will actually come out...
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I wasn't able to find the photos in question, but I don't think I ever saved a link to her DS group- I only found her page as an actor/director, and other DS groups I know of don't seem to be the one.
mdscntst, Cody has a few Fb pages, but the one with the photos that michael c mentioned is a closed group. The link to it is on one of her public pages, or search for Kathleen's Dark Shadows Friends to join.
I see she belatedly admitted her mistakes about the photoshopped and misattributed pictures. If only some of the fans posting in those same threads were also willing to open their minds a little, geezus. One wants no changes to the original show at all, one lumps any fan into that group who brings up any valid criticism about the new take...
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Didn't somebody report a rumor that Burton's not releasing a trailer until March?
G.
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mdscntst, Cody has a few Fb pages, but the one with the photos that michael c mentioned is a closed group. The link to it is on one of her public pages, or search for Kathleen's Dark Shadows Friends to join.
I see she belatedly admitted her mistakes about the photoshopped and misattributed pictures. If only some of the fans posting in those same threads were also willing to open their minds a little, geezus. One wants no changes to the original show at all, one lumps any fan into that group who brings up any valid criticism about the new take...
Thanks Midnite! I did eventually find the group and saw that it was closed. From the sound of it, I don't think it's a group I'd care to join, so I didn't ask for an invite and haven't seen the photos. But I'm happy to hear that she came clean about them. That's the important thing!
By the way, I saw somewhere in passing on one of the Depp forums that they saw a tweet about no DS trailer being ready. I wasn't familiar with the name the tweet was from, so I can't attest as to its validity, but it's disappointing to hear. I might see The Woman In Black this weekend and I was so hoping there might be a nice surprise of a trailer attached, but I guess not [snow_sad] By the way I was browsing through some old information I had, and noticed that the Sweeney Todd trailer wasn't released until October and the film came out in December, so that wasn't a very long lead time, either [snow_sad]
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Didn't somebody report a rumor that Burton's not releasing a trailer until March?
Cousin_Barnabas mentioned the other day that there are upcoming February and March releases from Warner Brothers that a DS trailer could be tied too - but that's all that comes to mind. If there is that rumor, no one posted about it here. [snow_smiley]
By the way, I saw somewhere in passing on one of the Depp forums that they saw a tweet about no DS trailer being ready. I wasn't familiar with the name the tweet was from, so I can't attest as to its validity, but it's disappointing to hear. I might see The Woman In Black this weekend and I was so hoping there might be a nice surprise of a trailer attached, but I guess not [snow_sad] By the way I was browsing through some old information I had, and noticed that the Sweeney Todd trailer wasn't released until October and the film came out in December, so that wasn't a very long lead time, either [snow_sad]
I tracked down the tweet on Twitter (thanks for the heads up [snow_smiley]):
JessicaDwyer Jessica Dwyer
Just got word from the studio, don't be expecting a #DarkShadows trailer on the Super Bowl. They don't have a trailer yet.
1 Feb
I am familiar with her name, but I think it's only because I've seen some of her DS tweets in the past. And I'm pretty sure I've never shared any of them, mostly because she was tweeting news that we already knew. Though in this case, if it is true that someone at Warner Brothers told her that there isn't a trailer yet, then that would definitely be news we haven't heard before. Though, of course, the part about the Super Bowl we already knew - but only because Warner Brothers isn't buying any Super Bowl time this year.
All that being said, though, IF DS follows the same pattern as Sweeney Todd, maybe it really will be March before we see a trailer...
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IMDB tweeted yesterday that they hadn't heard an official release date for the DS trailer, so maybe she picked it up from them. [snow_huh]
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She makes it sound as if she heard directly from Warner Brothers. But I haven't paid enough attention to her tweets to have an opinion as to whether she might exaggerate or whether she has actual connections within the entertainment industry...
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It seems Dwyer's Twitter posting may be going viral. It was referenced by this site. Probably didn't need to click on the translate button.
http://www.deppheaven.com/johnnydeppitalia/2012/02/03/il-trailer-di-dark-shadows-non-e-ancora-pronto/
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Which reminds me. There are so many posts about Dark Shadows from other countries. While I don't know how it will do in Britain, I think it's going to be a smash in the Americas and other parts of Europe.
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That could be true especially having JD as an international star. The question is going to be for them, "what is Dark Shadows?" that is WB's issue. Speaking of WB this may be a reason why they sat out the Superbowl.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/02/will-studios-waste-money-on-their-super-bowl-ads/
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In all probability that is the reason. As I said earlier, Warner Brothers probably doesn't think they'd get enough bang for their buck. Though at the same time airing the right sort of trailer during the Super Bowl might have been a way to help to attract a male audience. But I guess Warner Brothers didn't think that was even worth a try. Perhaps they even think that a sizable portion of the male audience already thinks like the people who developed the Audi ad that's going to run, so running a trailer for a vampire movie like DS during the Super Bowl would have been a waste in trying to attract them. Who knows? [snow_undecided]
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This is not fair. The website tweeted that this was the "Dark Shadows" trailer. Instead it is a movie called Dead Shadows. An unbelievable tease. http://www.horror-movies.ca/2012/01/awesome-new-trailer-for-creature-feature-dead-shadows/
It's not like WB is counting its pennies. A nice 30 second teaser trailer would have been real nice because there are many people who still don't know there is a new DS movie that was filmed.
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Maybe it was a Freudian slip because they wished it had been a DS trailer. If so, we can relate. [snow_wink]
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WB could be counting it's pennies.
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Could it be that since the movie is so anticipated TBTB don't feel any reason to put a trailer out there anytime soon?
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It's pretty nifty that IMDB already lists a critic review for this film... And to think we haven't even seen the trailer. [snow_wink]
Seriously though, how does this happen? The movie isn't even finished yet. And the "review" seems to be nothing more than a German sneak-peak. Wonders never cease.
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Just got back from watching The Woman in Black... Dark Shadows REALLY missed its opportunity to hit its target audience with this one. I am fairly sure Warners is kicking itself right now. The Woman in Black was a hit that touched on the gothic horror elements we are expecting in Shadows... So what other May 11 release not only had a trailer, but at least six giant promotional "portraits"/posters hanging in the theater? The Dictator. That film may be utter trash, but it is really being promoted - even if it was to the wrong audience. Wish Shadows could have got in with the right one, because I think Woman in Black was its last real chance to hit the genre-goers.
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Just got back from watching The Woman in Black... Dark Shadows REALLY missed its opportunity to hit its target audience with this one. I am fairly sure Warners is kicking itself right now. The Woman in Black was a hit that touched on the gothic horror elements we are expecting in Shadows... So what other May 11 release not only had a trailer, but at least six giant promotional "portraits"/posters hanging in the theater? The Dictator. That film may be utter trash, but it is really being promoted - even if it was to the wrong audience. Wish Shadows could have got in with the right one, because I think Woman in Black was its last real chance to hit the genre-goers.
I watched it tonight and I COMPLETELY agree! I was thinking the same thing during the trailers. This was a golden opportunity to hit the target audience. I was also bummed out as I looked at all the posters in the lobby. No DS anywhere.
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i work with alot of people who were DS fans as kids. when i've mentioned that it was being made into a movie they've reacted with complete shock...
so in other words if they were not in contact with a highly devoted DS fan(me), which most people are not, than they would know absolutely nothing about the movie.
they really do need to get some publicity going.
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Michael, I have had that same experience since it was announced the movie was going to be made. Most of my friends are old enough to have watched DS (and they did) but are not in any way connected to fandom or follow news about DS except for what I have told them.
Nancy
i work with alot of people who were DS fans as kids. when i've mentioned that it was being made into a movie they've reacted with complete shock...
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Dark Shadows REALLY missed its opportunity to hit its target audience with this one. I am fairly sure Warners is kicking itself right now.
Well, there's no denying that it would have been nice had a trailer been available to show before The Woman in Black, though I don't know how much Warner Brothers is upset that they didn't. True, TWiB did very well at the box office (hopefully DS can do as well), but though it's certainly not apparent to us what the plan is, I'm still sure that Warner Bothers has a marketing plan that will maximize DS' exposure to the people who will be most likely to see it in theaters. After all, they're not in the business to intentionally lose money. [snow_wink]
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True, MB. But If I were a Warners exec, I would have been mad about not having anything prepared before tWiB, because it was a hit and the film played out so much like Dark Shadows. I mean when there are six Borat displays in the lobby and the hallways and DS has nothing prepared for the release a movie that would draw a similar audience to Shadows, it's really kind of mind boggling. [snow_strange]
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While it's mind boggling to us, apparently it's not mind boggling to Warner Brothers. [snow_undecided] So I suppose we just have to trust that they know what they're doing - particularly if they're hoping to get a franchise out of DS, as several reports have indicated...
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Accodring to the director's twitter, the teaser for Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is officially being released on Friday. I can't believe we are getting a trailer for this, and already have a poster, and nothing for DS yet :(
But I am also excited to see it as well. :D
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Just for the fun of it I checked IMDb's MOVIEmeter to see where The Dictator places in relation to DS. And even though its poster and trailer have been out since the week of December 11th, it's ranked #642. But even though DS has no poster and no trailer - and even though it fell quite a bit this week from it peak last week - it's at #183. So, as jimbo mused last week, maybe Warner Brothers knows exactly what it is doing with its marketing strategy...
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Thanks for doing that, MB. Somehow, I don't know if the people who will flock to The Dictator on opening weekend even know how to use the Internet though... [snow_grin] Or if they do, they aren't likely to want to know anything about the film, as I think the trailer sums it all up.
Warners is smart, because hundreds of people are looking for a trailer, so I guess they keep the buzz going from people wanting to know exactly what this film will look like - just at our expense. [snow_wink]
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Warners is smart, because hundreds of people are looking for a trailer, so I guess they keep the buzz going from people wanting to know exactly what this film will look like - just at our expense. [snow_wink]
I just came across another posting by someone wondering about the trailer:
Dark shadows 2012 trailer? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120206153745AAkUE9a)
So yeah - it definitely seems like there's a lot of anticipation for it.
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Graham King on 'Hugo's' box-office woes: 'It's been painful' (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2012/02/graham-king-on-hugos-rough-ride-its-been-painful.html)
Why am I sharing that article in this topic? Well, it's not just because Graham King is one of the producers of the DS film - it's because the film is mentioned in the article. But not only that - it's because the author of the article seem to think DS "has the look of a big moneymaker." Let's only hope! [snow_wink]
But just to talk about Hugo for a bit, I still think the main reason its box office has been disappointing is because it's in 3D and people just aren't as willing to pay extra to see a 3D film as they were. And I know I've probably said it a dozen times already, but thank heavens the decision was ultimately made not to shoot DS in 3D!
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Two more Eva Green articles in which she talks about DS:
Eva Green on 'Perfect Sense,' Loves Scenes with Ewan McGregor & 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.blackbookmag.com/movies/eva-green-on-perfect-sense-loves-scenes-with-ewan-mcgregor-dark-shadows-1.44573)
EVA GREEN MAKES PERFECT SENSE (http://fashion.elle.com/culture/2012/02/03/eva-green-makes-perfect-sense/)
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The first Eva Green piece refers to Dark Shadows as a "black comedy." I have this bad feeling a storm is brewing over Collinwood.
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Comedy. It's worrisome. I just keep hoping Burton pulls from the same bag he used when he made ED WOOD. Like DS, Wood's films were not intentionally funny. Burton's biopic could well be described as a comedy, but it's as fine an homage to Ed Wood and his films as one could hope for. The appeal of Wood's films, their strange subtleties, are difficult to describe and virtually impossible to duplicate. Burton treated the material with reverence and produced a gem of a film. I hope he does the same here.
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I'm hoping the actors' inability to pinpoint the tone of the movie is because of their unfamiliarity with the tone of the show. We've heard that it's a comedy and we've heard that it's strange, but we've also heard that it's amazing. All these things could be said about the original show.
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I'm hoping the actors' inability to pinpoint the tone of the movie is because of their unfamiliarity with the tone of the show.
I like this idea. And tone is a good word for it. Intentional comedy is really risky, I hope they pull it off.
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we've been hearing the words "funny" and "black comedy" thrown around for many months. it' nothing new.
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Very true - Eva Green first referred to the film as a "black comedy" back in April before shooting even began. Interestingly, though, she seems to be the only person connected to the film who has described it that way. But be that as it it may, back in April I looked up the definition of a "black comedy" in the Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms:
"black comedy: a kind of drama in which disturbing or sinister subjects like death, disease, or warfare, are treated with bitter amusement, usually in a manner calculated to offend and shock."
And as I said back then, that definition would seem to jibe with the descriptions we've been getting of the film being dark, bloody and scary along with it being funny. But it doesn't necessarily fit in with fears that the film itself will be a comedy rather than a drama with comedic elements to it. So, at the present anyway, I'm not worried - particularly when the humor in a show like American Horror Story, which is anything but a comedy, has also been described as "black comedy." And if the humor in the DS film is dealt with in similar ways to the humor in that show, I'll have absolutely no problem with it.
What should really give us the tip off of what the DS film will be like will be the trailers, and presumably also the posters - and one day we will finally get them...
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It's nice to see that Time Warner CEO, Jeff Bewkes, forecasts another strong year for the company thanks in part to DS:
Time Warner Q4 Earnings Up Slightly, Thanks in Part to Harry Potter (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/idUS150576606520120208)
Apparently not only Warner Brothers but its parent company are high on the film.
And in this article:
Winter box office up 11 percent. Can it keep going? (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/us-boxoffice-idUSTRE8171LE20120208)
IMAX exec Greg Foster says that he believes DS will be one of the upcoming films to create "water cooler buzz":
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From Village Roadshow, an international distributor of the film:
http://www.villageroadshow.com.au/upload/document/VRL%20AnnualReport2011%20Editorial.pdf
Dark Shadows – directed by Tim Burton and starring Johnny Depp, this picture is currently slated for release in May 2012 and is anticipated to perform strongly with potential for sequels...
We will see.
And here's a finger...
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=54343&t=DARK_SHADOWS_Cast_Members_Eva_Green__Kathryn_Leigh_Scott_Discuss_The_Film
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Interesting. I wonder where that photo of the finger prosthetic came from - especially when it seems to trace back to amazonews.com?
Nothing particularly new in the following article - but it does feature a photo of Alec Newman as Barnabas that I don't believe I've ever seen before:
Before The Trailer: Dark Shadows 2012 (http://www.beforethetrailer.com/2012/02/dark-shadows-2012/)
And such an appropriate Web site to be featuring DS, considering there still isn't any trailer. [snow_wink]
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MB, that image may be screencapped from the clip on Newman's site.
On a different note, my antivirus said that it blocked a Trojan from that site! Eek! Better scan the computer...
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MB, that image may be screencapped from the clip on Newman's site.
That is exactly what it's from. [snow_smiley] So that definitely explains why I've never seen it as part of the official photos from the pilot.
On a different note, my antivirus said that it blocked a Trojan from that site! Eek! Better scan the computer...
That may have been a false positive because I just accessed the site with Windows and I didn't get any sort of warning. And I also checked problem Web site listings for beforethetrailer.com and, unlike photobucket, couldn't come up with anything.
And BTW, after posting earlier I noticed that if one clicks on the cast photo, probably the largest and best high resolution version of that photo comes up, suitable for downloading...
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Hmmm... It happened after I clicked the Jonathan Frid photo and tried to return to the previous page.
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Here's another take on the new DS movie, the original series and the whole shebang . . it's not overly flattering, just be warned.
http://www.vanityfear.com/journal/tag/jonathan-frid (http://www.vanityfear.com/journal/tag/jonathan-frid)
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[pointing-up]
To that article's author: We DO exist! [snow_grin]
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OUCH! that's brutal...
still i no longer think it's worth getting upset or defensive about this type of thing. just because we like this show doesn't mean everyone has to.
but this one's harsh. [snow_shocked]
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The writer is way off base when it comes to his theories about the daytime show. He would actually do well to watch it before he jumps to conclusions about it. But that being said, I actually agree with a lot of what he's written, particularly the stuff about hoDS. It's not a secret that I'm not a fan of the film, though I'm not the only one who has said things similar to what's written - just check out several of the hoDS topics here on the forum for evidence of that. And actually, the article seems to prove one of the things I've often said and that is that many fans of the daytime show can't help but fill in a whole lot of what's missing in hoDS because they know it from the daytime show so they're much more inclined to overlook faults in the film, but someone who's never seen the daytime show isn't going to be able to fill in and that makes them more objective than many DS fans, and so the faults are often quite glaring to them, as they are with the person writing the article. (Though, of course, the fault for a lot of the flaws with hoDS can be laid right at the feet of DC and his desire to emphasize the blood and gore by cutting so much of the scripted material that would have fleshed out the characters and filled in the gaps. But that's a whole other discussion and one not suited for this topic.)
And another thing I agree with is that the majority of the people who will go to see the new DS film probably won't have previous knowledge of the original - though thanks heavens for that because there's no way the film can become a hit if only DS fans go. Most of the people who'll see it will go because they're Depp fans or Burton fans or fans of the vampire/horror genre in general. Though the article overlooks the real possibility that seeing the film might make them check out the original. But then that possibility wouldn't fit in with his attitude because he doesn't seem to have any inclination to check out the original. In fact, he seems to think the original is somehow beneath him. And that's too bad because he doesn't know what he's missing...
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If there is no trailer with today's WB release, we can assume that, if the trailer is attached to a WB project, it won't come out until March 30. I searched Twitter for mentions of the trailer and I found nothing. (Though I did find someone with my DSF username! Small world!)
Then again, the studio could opt to move it to a non-Warners release. Hunger Games would be a great choice. It's sure to be a hit and it's from a smaller studio, so WB might opt to place DS with that film. It comes out a week before the Warners release, so it's a little better.
On the other hand, they could choose to release a trailer without tying it to an actual film, and that would make me happy.
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There is going to be a WB press release today?
Just another reference to the new movie with KLS upcoming book. http://books.usatoday.com/bookbuzz/post/2012-02-09/dark-shadows-returns-in-book-and-movie/623644/1
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By "WB release" I believe Cousin_Barnabas was referring to Warner Brothers releasing/distributing Journey 2: The Mysterious Island in theaters today. [snow_smiley] Unfortunately, though, I doubt a DS trailer has been released with it because it seems like we learn about every major film's trailer at least a day or two before it's shown in theaters. Sometimes it's only a small portion of the trailer that gets posted somewhere with the entire trailer to follow on Friday, while other times it's the entire trailer right from the start. But there hasn't been a peep anywhere about any DS trailer.
I'm honestly beginning to believe that madscntst's suspicions could be right and that DS might follow a similar marketing plan to Sweeny Todd, which would mean no trailer until March...
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Has anyone seen this new image, posted on the Collinsport Historical Society?
http://www.collinsporthistoricalsociety.com/
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Even though it seems to be popping up on various entertainment/horror Web sites, I hadn't seen it yet. Thanks so much for providing the link, Sara. [snow_smiley]
Given the timing of the event and how that poster indicates that DS opens in France on May 9th, at first I wondered if perhaps DS might not be having its French premiere as part of the exhibition, but it doesn't seem that way. Or at least nothing that I've been able to come across regarding the event says that. It seems as if it's simply another showcase for the Museum of Modern Art's Tim Burton exhibition that has been making the rounds for months now. However, the La Cinémathèque française Web site does say that the exhibition "provides an opportunity to see Burton's work from past to present and to reveal elements stemming from his latest films, Dark Shadows and Frankenweenie, which will be released in 2012" - so apparently something related to DS will be featured.
I do wonder, though, if that shot of Depp's Barn might be featured in the French poster for the film. I suppose only time will tell...
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I hope that is not the image they will use for the french poster or for any other poster. I does nothing for me and is not truly creative imo. Thanks for posting it cousin Sara Monster.
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I don't know if I'd like to see it used either, but apparently La Cinémathèque française believes in it or else they wouldn't have used it for one of their posters to promote Burton's exhibition. [snow_wink]
Of course we also have to keep in mind that what may seem creative and a good way to promote the Burton exhibition and/or the DS film in France wouldn't necessarily be the same here in the US or in other countries. Other countries have different creative sensibilities, so what might work successfully in France wouldn't necessarily work in Spain or the US or Japan. I mean, just look at some of the foreign posters developed for the two original DS films. The Japanese poster with the multiple aged Barnabas heads seems particularly bizarre...
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The French poster feels as if it is for a sequel to V is for Vendetta.
I agree however that this may be rockin' for French sensibilities.
As for the US poster--who knows?
G.
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The French poster feels as if it is for a sequel to V is for Vendetta.
If only Depp had kept his facial hair, it would have been perfect. [snow_wink]
(And I love V For Vendetta. In fact the 2-disc DVD is a treasured part of my DVD collection. It would be quite interesting to see them attempt a sequel.)
Here's an article masquerading as being about The Woman in Black, or so the title would imply, but it's actually more about why we love horror - and it also mentions the DS film:
THE WOMAN IN BLACK: WHY WE ALL LOVE A LITTLE HORROR (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/234602/Why-we-all-love-a-little-horror/)
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I didn't see this anywhere else, but wanted to let you know that DS will be spotlighted in the next issue of Famous Monsters of Filmland #261.
(http://www.hollowmoon.net/pics/ds.jpg)
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That's a great painting.
G.
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Now that's what I call Barnabas!
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The painting looks very much like Depp does in the cast photo.
Too bad it may not even end up being the cover...
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I'm digging that new FM cover!
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I wonder if we will have three Barnadepps in the movie, and I wonder if we haven't seen all three...
My speculation:
Family portrait: Barnabas is cured, or almost cured. (The makeup is less pronounced. Of course, this could also be the fact they hadn't finalized the makeup. But I'd imagine a human Barnabas would look more like that than the stills.)
French poster: Barnabas is being cured. (Because he can't possibly go out in that getup at night.)
Stills: Barnabas is a blood-thirsty vampire. (Pale, pale, pale)
Oh, and it's official...
PG-13 and hammy...
http://badassdigest.com/2012/02/11/seth-grahame-smith-talks-about-just-how-weird-dark-shadows-will-be/
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No scary scenes. No gore. Very funny. PG. The more I hear about the movie the less I like. And it seems another spoiler is true.
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Actually, that gave me more hope for it. Not a fan of hardcore gore and neither was Dan which is why it wasn't featured in the show. (Of course, our modern definition of hardcore gore and the 60s version are very different.) The fact that he mentions some ferocity to Barnabas' vampire scenes is hopeful. But this is all just my opinion anyway.
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I agree arashi - the more I read, the more I like what I'm reading. I love that the film will be "soap operatic" and "heightened and grand" because that's exactly what the original DS is. And I have no problem if "there's not gore" and "there are no hardcore scares" because those elements weren't a part of the original DS either. Frankly, the last thing I want to see is another DS movie that's a blood and gore fest like hoDS was.
That being said, Grahame-Smith also says that "there's some crazy Barnabas vampire shit in this movie that will surprise people in terms of its ferocity," so it's not like Barn is going to be defanged and as meek as a kitten. And just because the film will be PG-13, that in no way means it won't be violent or bloody. It just won't be the type of violent blood bath that an R rating would allow, and that's more than fine with me. Not that I don't like that type of vampire movie - I do - but it's not DS. And also, as we've said before, a PG-13 rating opens the film up to a much larger potential audience - and there can't ever be anything bad about that.
And the funny parts of the film don't worry me either - particularly when Grahame-Smith says it's due to an "absurdist element". I mean, the original DS is nothing if not absurd. And I know I'm not alone when I say I often find myself laughing because of some of its absurdities - (I mean, how can you not at least giggle inwardly if not outwardly at lines like "I said I killed her - I never said she was dead"? Sure, it makes perfect sense within the storyline. But, hello - absurd nonetheless. [snow_cheesy]) - but never do I laugh at the show. And in no way am I not loving every second of the absurdity. When it comes to funny, even the original cast has confessed that once a scene was completed they often broke out in hysterical laughter because everything they'd just done was so absurd. And the fact that everything is played so straight/serious and we take it so straight/serious only makes it all even more absurd. So if that's the type of funny/absurd there's going to be in the film, it's going to be no different from the original show.
Thanks so much for posting the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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I took no hardcore scares meant there will be a lack iof violence and suspense and no victim is killed.
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people get killed and there's blood on television every night. so a pg-13 rating certainly doesn't mean no one will be killed. [spoiler]in fact we've already heard otherwise if the earlier spoilers are to be believed.[/spoiler]
and we've already seen blood in the shot of barnabas raising a bloody hand.
"soap operatic" and "absurdist" sure sounds like the tone of the series to me. and "heightened and grand"? what's not to love? if i could beg a guess it sounds like the tone of the series in exactly what everyone is going for because ask most people about the OS and they will tell you how "funny"(or, yes, even "campy") it is.
"we" take it seriously. "we're" emotionally invested. but most people will find it highly amusing.
what i think we all know is that this isn't 1991 redux. it's not a bodice-ripper.
also if barnabas is pale for half the movie or a third of the movie or all or none of the movie who the heck cares. why is everyone so worked up about this point still. [snow_huh]
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With respect to my comment regarding killings I was referring to BC and the associated spoiler. But I am encouraged by the comments here. I just have to trust that TPTB knows what they are doing.
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MB, of course! I think it's one of the most enlightening articles we have come across in recent weeks, so I couldn't help but share!
As for what the article says about the movie, I think it's going to be grand, probably a real love letter to the original. I can't wait to see the trailer now.
michael c, I don't care if he's pale or not. I do prefer his look in the cast photo over his look in the second still. I was just pointing out that, in all probability, we are going to see different Barnadepps throughout.
I also read that Elfmann will be starting to record the music in six days. So we have a score now. Let's just hope that it's writhing with familiar, heightened, soap-operatic tunes of yore. [snow_wink]
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Cousin_Barnabas you have good sources of information. Thanks also for sharing.
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sorry cb it's more all of the FB and other internet chatter depp's pale appearance has generated...and the relentless negativity surrounding it...that prompted my comment than your remark.
i'm just stunned at how much chatter it's still getting and how upset many people are about it.
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Michael, it's particularly stunning when you look at some of the 1967 Barnabas pub photos and see a pallor to rival that of Eddie Munster in the ones that feature Vinnie Loscalzo's full vampire makeup.
I guess some people just don't have all that much to think about in their lives...
G.
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I just share what I get my hands on, jimbo! [snow_smiley]
michael c, I totally understand. Some of the comments I have read on the Internet are way out of line. I don't like Depp's pose in the second still, and I think that his facial expression makes his makeup look more pronounced than it otherwise would be. But I think he looks terrific in the first photo. But people were even complaining about that one... I don't know what they are doing being so negative over something so small.
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A reminder: Since some readers are avoiding the Forum's spoiler thread altogether, further discussion of spoilers that were spelled out in that "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers" topic should be posted there. The spoiler topic is stickied to the same board as this topic-- currently the Current Talk '12 I board. Thanks!
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Make what you want of it, but someone on imdb claims to have seen the trailer after taking a movie survey:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/nest/194768736?p=1
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Oh brother. I just read the original post, and then the dozens of additional questions/comments. I'm leaning toward believing this person. How disappointing. If he/she is telling the truth, we (fans of the original) are all in for a huge insult.
How can these guys go on-and-on about being childhood fans of the original, and then make a film like this? None of it makes sense. I can understand adding a little humor to the storyline, but that is the most-used description we have heard from all of the stars -- funny, funny, funny. Have any of them used descriptors like "scarey?" "suspensful?" "romantic?" "terrifying?"
I have tried to be positive throughout this entire process, but if I hear the word "funny" one more time, I think I am going to scream. I need a pep-talk.
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That's pretty much what I expect. A comedy that fans of the original will not really like but will defend because it will get people to watch the OS. I will go see the movie but I expect to not like it at all. Truth is I haven't liked anything Tim Burton or Johnny Depp have done in years, why should this be any different?
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Thanks Sara Monster for the find. I'm with you neiljohnson and borgosi with your concerns. I think TPTB have their priorities way off. The movie should be scary, suspensful, romantic and terrifying with a bit of dark comedy mixed in. Not the other way around. I think this may be one of the reasons as to why we haven't seen the trailer-it is perhaps testing poorly by the focus groups.
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whatever the movie turns out to be i certainly won't find myself to be "insulted".
none of this is personal.
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and i think we can put more currency in what grahame-smith had to say than what someone who saw a 30 second trailer's account of it is.
what he had to say sounds more like what alot of people are hoping for.
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over on kathy cody's FB page someone just posted a GREAT picture of depp and green that we haven't seen before. it's from a blog on tumblr.
very confrontational looking.
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Thanks for that info, michael c!
I made a direct link for the pic:
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/files/newpic.png
edit: Is it just me or does that look like one of Barn's old robes??
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/pics2/196.jpg
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indeed it looks like depp is sporting barn's signature "smoking" jacket for elegant at home wear.
green looks like she's wearing a blazer. then again she is a powerful "lady executive" in this variation on the tale. [snow_wink]
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I know it's very literal of me but I am an old fan and I keep thinking, "Why does Angelique have Carolyn's hair?" lol.
Of course, Chloe Moretz is too young in this redaction to have Carolyn's hair.
I am thinking of doing a separate thread here on Humor in Dark Shadows. I am fascinated by how a lot of fans on the Net react to it. I laugh all the time when I watch the show. Does that make me "not a real fan"?
G.
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Thanks for the pic, Sara Monster! My anticipation grows ...
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First things first - the trailer. Many films don't have one trailer, they have two or more depending on what aspects of the film they want to market to which potential audience. One perfect example of this from last year was the theater and TV trailers for I Am Number Four. If one went to an action movie or one watched a TV show like Hawaii Five-0 or CSI: Miami, the trailer seen was more often the one that emphasized the action in the film. But if one went to see a drama or especially a romantic film or one watched a TV show like The Vampire Diaries, the trailer shown was more often the one that emphasized the romantic angle in the film. So, if the DS trailer described on IMDb does really exist (and it would seem to) and if the original poster's impression of it turns out to be true, the trailer he/she saw will emphasize the comedic aspects of the film. No problem because that by no means means that's all there is to the film - and that doesn't necessarily mean it's the only trailer that will be created/shown to promote the film. That trailer could simply be the way Warner Brothers wants to market the film to one segment of the film's potential audience.
Now I'll go check out the new photo because I'm dying of suspense...
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PS. Many many heartfelt thanks to Sara Monster for sharing the photo with us!!! You're a gem!
Bestly,
G.
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from the few pix we've seen i'd say the hairdos are the one false note in terms of the film's costuming.
none of them say "1972" to me. in fact green's hair looks very much "2012".
except HBC's helmet head they could all really pass for contemporary hairstyles.
p.s. the picture is now up at collinwood.net as well.
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Love the photo! Thanks so much to michael c for alerting us to it and to Sara Monster for sharing it. [snow_smiley]
Is it just me or does that look like one of Barn's old robes??
It's definitely not just you - the robe in the new photo looks like it could be very similar. And if it is, I suspect it's intentional.
indeed it looks like depp is sporting barn's signature "smoking" jacket for elegant at home wear.
"Elegant at home wear" - a perfect way to put it. [snow_wink]
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the picture is now up at collinwood.net as well.
And if one clicks on that one, one gets rewarded with a much larger version. [snow_happy]
And, michael c, apparently you're more on top of things than even GK Films is because it wasn't until a couple minutes ago that they retweeted about the DS News Blog's posting. [snow_wink]
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whatever the movie turns out to be i certainly won't find myself to be "insulted".
none of this is personal.
Amen. Not going to read the trailer description myself as I don't want my impression colored by some one else.
I am thinking of doing a separate thread here on Humor in Dark Shadows. I am fascinated by how a lot of fans on the Net react to it. I laugh all the time when I watch the show. Does that make me "not a real fan"?
I think that would be an interesting topic to discuss. Everyone's taste in humor is definitely different and for some reason a touchy subject, no matter what the object of discussion and especially amongst differences of opinion. I also laugh a lot when watching the show and that's part of the reason I love it so much, it's so much fun to watch!
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I agree humor can be a touchy subject -- actually in any discussion of soap operas. I am a fan (more than a fan, really) of soap operas in general, and I've noticed many discussions of humor on soaps since the 1980s. True fans can have huge disagreements about the use of humor - whether is is appropriate, whether is belongs on soaps, how much is too much, etc. But I think the real problem lies in the semantics -- the difference between "humor" and "comedy." I enjoy humor on soaps and can take the remainder of the show seriously, inclusive of the humor. But, I don't think soap opera (including Dark Shadows) is an appropriate place for comedy.
Back to the movie -- I feel the same way here. Humor, I can tolerate or even enjoy. But, I don't see how an otherwise serious film about a vampire can include comedy. Again, there is a difference between humor and comedy. I may be beating a dead horse, but why are the actors focusing so much on the word "funny"? Most of them (who've been interviewed) have used the word "funny" to the exclusion of any other adjective. There has to be a reason for that.
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I've been interpreting "funny" to mean "dark" or "black" humor/comedy. Sleepy Hollow evinces this; so, too a more extreme extent, does Death Becomes Her, which balances the funny with the horrific (with a lovely/exaggerated moral message as well).
As far as humor and the soap goes: perhaps unintentional once upon a time (surely Frid has spoken time and again how DS was never intended to be camp; other actors have also said that they always played it deadly straight), soaps are melodramatic by nature, and melodrama can be read by today's standards as "funny." Perhaps this is the other explanation.
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How can these guys go on-and-on about being childhood fans of the original, and then make a film like this? None of it makes sense. I can understand adding a little humor to the storyline, but that is the most-used description we have heard from all of the stars -- funny, funny, funny. Have any of them used descriptors like "scarey?" "suspensful?" "romantic?" "terrifying?"
Back in April I posted this reply after Eva Green first described the film as a "black comedy":
Well, IF it is a black comedy, it's a scary and bloody black comedy that's also a relationship story with touches of the poetic. [snow_wink]
It was based on many of the descriptions we'd gotten of the film up to that point. And one thing that we shouldn't forget is that by definition a "black comedy" is a type of drama, not a comedy per se.
I also laugh a lot when watching the show and that's part of the reason I love it so much, it's so much fun to watch!
Yes. I find it hard to imagine that someone couldn't laugh at some of the mocking and insulting and jibing inherent in the dialogue as well as the outright absurdity in some of the situations. But that in no way means that one can't also take what's happening seriously.
Not going to read the trailer description myself as I don't want my impression colored by some one else.
The person who posted doesn't really even describe the trailer. From what I read it's mostly impression and flashes. (Though I do have to say that I love the line he/she says Barnabas utters when he's first released.) And as you say, everyone's taste in humor is different, and humor can also be subjective, so what one person sees as humorous may not even strike someone else as funny.
Something to possibly keep in mind, though, is that we may never see that trailer. In the posts that I read from him/her, he/she didn't say if he/she was asked questions about the trailer after viewing it, but one would presume that considering that he/she saw the trailer while taking part in a marketing survey, questions like what you thought about the trailer and would it make you want to see the film would be asked. I mean, why else include it? And if the trailer doesn't get a good response, it may never even be used in the marketing campaign for the film.
And there's also something else to possibly keep in mind, and that's that the trailer that person saw may not be the only DS trailer that's part of the marketing survey. It may actually show two or more different DS trailers at random to see which gets the best response. For a time back in the '90s Entertainment Weekly used to send a friend and I e-mail requests to take marketing surveys. (Ah, for the good ole days when EW used to mail some subscribers VHS tapes of trailers and screener copies of new TV shows.) And I remember from that experience that we didn't always see the same versions of trailers. I know I definitely saw trailers as parts of those surveys that I never saw again. But then, I wasn't in every theater at every showing of every film, so it's hard to know which trailers never saw the light of day apart from the surveys and which I simply never happened to be in the right place at the right time to see again...
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If you haven't read the topic on IMDb in a few hours: 1) the original poster says that he/gave the trailer negative feedback, so that means that he/she was asked about his/her reaction to it, and 2) he/she has provided new details regarding some of the scenes included. What's interesting, though, is that the person has gone from being very negative toward the trailer when he/she first started posting and saying he/she gave the trailer negative feedback to saying "it looks like it will be a fun movie." Other posters are asking him/her to reconcile those two seemingly opposing opinions...
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Everything was believable to me except for one detail he gave in the topic about the Depp/Green photo, where... (Alleged Trailer Spoiler Ahead:)
[spoiler]
Depp says he doesn't know what he ever saw in Green. To which she replies by ripping off her shirt, revealing her corset, prompting Depp to say, "Oh now I remember."
[/spoiler]
That is not Burton humor. That is not Shadows humor. And it causes me great concern. Although the other jokes I've heard sound very funny, this one seems really out of place, and that makes me want to not believe the poster, although my gut tells me to. But who knows... Maybe they will cut that little bit. Granted, it wouldn't be as bad if Barnabas didn't have that line of dialogue... But that really lowers the level of humor to something I don't want to hear in Dark Shadows. Just my opinion, though. Like I said, the other jokes sound classy and fun.
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Everything was believable to me except for one detail he gave in the topic about the Depp/Green photo, where... (Alleged Trailer Spoiler Ahead:)
I didn't see that because I didn't bother to check out any of the other topics. So, I just went to check that topic on the IMDb board and guess what - more than half of the replies in the trailer topic are now gone. When last I checked, it was up to page 7 - now there are only 3. Hmmm...
That is not Burton humor. That is not Shadows humor.
It does seem more like Pirates of the Caribbean humor. And now that so many of the posts in the trailer topic are gone, I don't know what to think...
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There is a reason as to why we haven't seen a trailer yet. Any trailer for that matter. If WB had a good representative trailer it would have been released by now and its delayed release is not due to any marketing strategy. I fear that WB believes it has a problem on its hands. It kind of reminds me of the 2004 fiasco where there was a creative difference between the production companies and the WB's studio regarding the 2004 DS pilot. I don't want to see this again where the various parties are all pointing fingers at each other. This is all speculation on my part of course. I will be the happiest person on the earth to be proven wrong. I want this movie to succeed in the worst way. I am trying to think positive but the evidence mounts to the contrary. It goes back to the people's initial reaction after reading the script that it was a very funny one. That is not the typical first reaction one would have reading a vampire gothic horror script. I just got a bad feeling about all of this. My feelings could dramatically change when I see the trailer. I'm hoping that this movie makes us DS fans proud. The sooner WB gets this trailer out the better for all of us.
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I don't honestly think Warner Brothers believes they have a problem on their hands. If they did, I doubt that just the other day Jeff Bewkes, the Time Warner CEO, would have included DS as one of the films he expects to do well for Warner Brothers. I mean, surely, as the CEO of the parent company, he would be kept apprised of how the film is progressing - especially if there were problems with it. Not to mention that both Time Warner and Warner Brothers would be opening themselves up to all sorts of bad if they allowed their CEO to include a film that's having problems. If that was the case, they could have easily left DS out of their press release rather than single it out as one of three films they're high on and expecting to allow the studio to continue its strong earnings.
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I am eager to embrace the movie. I still have my concerns. I look forward in seeing the trailer. Let's hope for the best.
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I didn't see that because I didn't bother to check out any of the other topics. So, I just went to check that topic on the IMDb board and guess what - more than half of the replies in the trailer topic are now gone. When last I checked, it was up to page 7 - now there are only 3. Hmmm...
That's odd, MB. I can still see all of the replies. [snow_huh]
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You're seeing 7 or more pages of replies? I just checked and all I'm getting is 4? [hdscrt]
But changing reels entirely, I see where Jessica Dwyer she of the tweet that more than implied that she'd heard directly from the studio that there wouldn't be a DS trailer during the Super Bowl because there was no trailer yet, has posted this on shocktilyoudrop.com:
"Studio stated a trailer would be out in March. They are still working on the score and editing."
Check out the first reply to: A Photo of Eva Green, Johnny Depp in Dark Shadows (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165585-a-photo-of-eva-green-johnny-depp-in-dark-shadows)
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I have 76 replies and 8 pages for the "I just saw the trailer" thread. [snow_huh]
And, yes, that bit from Jessica Dwyer aligns perfectly with what we have come to expect in regards to the trailer and what I heard in regards to the the Eflman score. So, it sounds very accurate to me.
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Sounds to me as if we don't have a trailer simply because this is how Tim Burton works. And presumably whatever studio signs him on has to agree to a contract that gives him ironclad control over matters that are usually handled by committees of suits.
Kind of amazing that he can get away with stuff such as this in the current day and age. Last of the mavericks?
G.
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so if i'm understanding this correctly the film is just being scored now?
it's being released in 3 months. isn't that cutting it close? [snow_huh]
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Wasn't Tim also working down to the last minute on Alice in Wonderland as well? I seem to recall that getting scored mere months before the release as well.
But I took it to mean that the score is already written, it's just being recorded now.
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That is correct. The score is going to be recorded in a few days.
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I have 76 replies and 8 pages for the "I just saw the trailer" thread. [snow_huh]
There are nine pages of comments on IMDB; the person who saw it is giving a lot of detail. I believe he's on the level.
Everyone's been calling this a comedy from script to post-production. I think it's time to make peace with that. Burton and Depp wanted to play in the world of Dark Shadows, but have no slavish loyalty to it. To hardcore fans it will likely play as an over the top spoof.
Totally agree that WB is scratching their heads on how to market the film; I called that out a few weeks ago: http://badassdigest.com/2012/01/20/is-barnabas-collins-stalling-in-this-new-dark-shadows-pic/
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It's also worth noting that WB is dropping this one week after The Avengers. Not a very confident move. They're hoping for second place, and that's likely been the case for some time.
None of this is meant to reflect on whether the FILM is any good, but it does indicate what the studio thinks the financial prospects of the property are.
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Thanks Phil for the article.
General comment. Not a shocker but I'm still not buying into the argument that the reason the trailer has not been released is based on the fact that the score has not been completely finished. The legendary composer can't score a 30 second trailer? I am still hoping for a serious oriented gothic horror movie. I am relying on Depp's previous comments pertaining to his respect for the classic vampires.
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Actually, while many of the people directly associated with the film have used the word "funny," none have used the word "comedy" - at least not on its own. Eva Green has described the film as a "black comedy" - but as its definition illustrates, that's very different from a comedy. [snow_wink] But as with all things with this film, time will tell...
As far as what Warner Brothers seems to think the film's financial prospects are, that would seem to have been made clear in the first article I linked to in reply #2094. However, short of a major miracle, I do agree that DS is likely to come in second at best its opening weekend. I've been saying that for months already. Though I've also said that coming in second isn't the end of the world and it's the long haul that really counts. [snow_smiley]
And as for the IMDb topic, I'm now getting the 9 pages. Who knows. [snow_huh]
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General comment. Not a shocker but I'm still not buying into the argument that the reason the trailer has not been released is based on the fact that the score has not been completely finished. The legendary composer can't score a 30 second trailer?
Possibly the majority of trailers use scores from other films. The "X-Men: First Class" score keeps turning up in trailers, as does the score for "The Fountain." For years the score from "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story" was used in movie trailers (like the one for Forrest Gump!)
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Some film scores can be rented and plugged into trailers for other films. Happens all the time.
I hope the DS music will be good. From what I've experienced seeeing his other movies, Danny Elfman supplies a few themes that someone else then orchestrates, and a third person actually conducts the orchestra.
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So far there is no reference to Bob Cobert at the IMDb website for the DS movie. If any of his scores are utilized in the new movie I assume his name will be listed. Hopefully Mr. Elfman will use the iconic opening theme. WB has a strange way of creating positive buzz for the movie. The longer there is no trailer for the movie the longer speculation about how good the movie actually is going to increase.
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I'm still not buying into the argument that the reason the trailer has not been released is based on the fact that the score has not been completely finished.
The score has no bearing on the trailer... unless there was a particular theme they wanted to include in the trailer and it needs to be recorded... [snow_wink] But, in all likelihood, as Phil pointed out, the trailer will use another score or some bit of popular music.
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CB I think we are in agreement??? I am surprised that a teaser poster hasn't come out. I wonder what is holding that back.
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We agree. One possibility to consider is that Warners wants the most bang for its buck, and instead of building anticipation early on, it will come out with a full-on offensive in the weeks leading up to The Avengers in attempt to conjure up the audience it wants and sway them away from a second-week Avengers viewing.
Avengers and Shadows should draw two completely different audiences, but there are some crossovers in the target. If Warners can seal the deal with the crossovers, it will make more money opening week.
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Interesting development...
Despite whatever that particular trailer may have led on, Zanuck and Burton have gone on record stating that Shadows is a horror film, and that if there are comedic elements, they are a result of the transition of Barnabas Collins to his new surroundings in 1972.
This should put everyone's minds at ease... as I think the person who got this information for us is reliable.
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Hi CB. Are you referring to new comments or previous ones. Thanks.
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Comments made within the past two weeks. [snow_smiley] And which should be published soon. [snow_wink]
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That is very encouraging. Look forward is seeing the remarks. Thanks Cousin_Barnabas.
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Thank goodness. We "traditionalists" need some good news. Can't wait!
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So far there is no reference to Bob Cobert at the IMDb website for the DS movie.
There's no mention of Art Wallace - and his name MUST appear in the credits, so I wouldn't worry... yet.
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I went out tonight because I thought the new issue of FANGORIA (#311), which features an article/interview with Seth Grahame-Smith on the DS film and AL:VH, would be in at the local Barnes & Noble - but it wasn't. However, for the fun of it I just went to their Web site to see if it came out today, and sure enough it did. Here's a link that features the cover, which features in its bottom left corner the photo of Depp's Barn with his bloody hand:
FANGORIA ISSUE #311 ON STANDS NOW. (http://www.fangoria.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6422:first-look-fangoria-311-cover-and-contents&catid=60:announcements-contests&Itemid=168)
(Scroll down for the larger version of the cover.)
Looks like I'll be making my way back there again when I get a chance...
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Ooooo! Cool, MB! Thanks for sharing . I will have to check out BN tomorrow. Maybe it will be in by then. :-)
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Fango has been doing a TON of DS coverage recently -- did anybody see their interview with Chris Pennock in the last issue?
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I did see that. And the best thing about it, at least from my POV, is that it included a NoDS photo that I'd never seen before from the scene in which Strak convinces Gabriel that Angelique's "evil must be driven from the land before it destroys" them all. I always love coming across a photo I've never seen. [snow_smiley]
And speaking of Fangoria, I just saw where someone on the IMDb DS board is saying that someone they know who writes for Fangoria has interviewed both Tim Burton and Richard Zanuck and learned through both conversations that DS is definitely a horror film, thus confirming what Cousin_Barnabas had already told us a few days ago. (Not that it needed confirming because I'm sure we all trusted that Cousin_Barnabas' info was accurate. [snow_wink]) But considering that the DS article in Fangoria #311 is an interview with Seth Grahame-Smith, I suppose that may mean that the Burton/Zanuck info won't be a part of it but will probably turn up in some future article in an upcoming issue.
Here's the link to the topic on IMDb: 'Definitely a Horror Film' says one of my sources (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/thread/194881618)
It's too bad, though, that the poster didn't provide a link to writer's original post...
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Oops - not thinking, I originally posted the IMDbPro link because that's what I was using when I saw the topic. [6184] Sorry about that. But I've changed the link to the regular IMDb.
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Bella's dialect coach tweeted today that Bella Heathcote is providing additional audio in post production. http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/movie-news-round-up.html
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Just had the chance to check around the Twitter accounts I kept track of when the film was shooting. Didn't really find anything of interest in any of them, but interestingly, even though her account still exists, Eva Green seems to have deleted all her tweets. I wonder what that's about?
However, what I did come across while seaching for hashtag #DarkShadows is this:
kohli_calhoun Kohli Calhoun
Wowsa! Great session at the unbelievably lovely @AIRStudios coaching the oh so fab @Bella_Heathcote for #timburton #darkshadows #ilovemyjob
8 hours ago
Hmmm - as you may remember, Kohli Calhoun is listed on IMDb as the film's dialect coach for Bella Heathcote, so I'm presuming that tweet means she was at AIRStudios looping dialogue for the film. So, at least we know one thing that's going on during post production. [snow_cheesy]
And that current tweet lead me to these past tweets from earlier this month:
kohli_calhoun
Heading across the pond to do some work for Tim Burton's latest! #LondonCalling #DarkShadows
13 Feb
kohli_calhoun
Today my world's collided as I read @parentsmagazine which had a blurb on #darkshadows. Can I get a what, what @bella_heathcote?!
3 Feb
I don't even remember the last time I saw a Parents Magazine. Though if my memory serves me correctly, back in the '70s they weren't too fond of DS because I seem to recall that they deemed both hoDS and NoDS "objectionable".
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Apparently we were both on the same wavelength at the same time, jimbo, with both of us finding out about Bella Heathcote's session today - albeit through different routes. [snow_wink]
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It is a good thing MB. I wonder why Bella is providing additional dialogue when it could have been done when she was filming? Does it mean they are changing a line or two; or perhaps are they adding a voiceover for the movie. I guess it could be for many reasons. They are cutting it real close from the movie's release.
I didn't know Eva deleted all her tweets. That is odd to erase all the evidence. jk
That Parents Magazine DS article must a real old one.
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Interesting. Dialogue has to be looped in post-production all the time, and I'm sure Bella isn't the only one who's been involved in this.
I am offline for a few days starting tomorrow, on a trip to San Francisco and San Jose--have fun in my absence!
G.
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Gothick is right about looping. There can be all sorts of reasons that dialogue needs to be rerecorded. It might be that there were problems with the sound in some particular shots being used (sometimes entire scenes might need to be rerecorded--I imagine that might end up being more common on shoots away from a soundstage). Occasionally they may need to come up with a few words or lines for a character offscreen or whose mouth does not appear in frame, to make the story comprehensible should things get changed around in editing. You'd be surprised how much work goes into sound production on a film. Footsteps, dishes clanking, door closings, etc. are usually sounds that are added during postproduction.
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I'm guessing since no one has said anything that no one has gotten their hands on a copy of Fangoria #311. And I did a check of a few Depp Web sites and didn't see anything on them either.
And speaking of magazines, I wonder if this might be what Kohli Calhoun was referring to being in Parents?
Nancy O"Dell Chats with A-List Dads: Johnny Depp (http://www.parents.com/parenting/celebrity-parents/moms-dads/famous-fathers/?page=2)
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That is a good bet. Nice work. Good to see JD has his kids on the DS set for four months.
Hopefully someone will locate a copy of Fangoria 311. I probablly won't be able to look for it until Saturday.
Thanks KMR for the explanation on looping. And to Gothick too of course.
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I'm guessing since no one has said anything that no one has gotten their hands on a copy of Fangoria #311. And I did a check of a few Depp Web sites and didn't see anything on them either.
Not on news stands around me yet... [snow_angry]
Have a nice time, G!
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speaking of miss heathcote have we not heard a peep from her in many months?
funny the different routes the actors are taking with this project. chloe moretz and eva green haven't shut up for one minute. pfieffer and hbc have been quite vocal. obviously depp has had much to say.
of the principle cast heathcote, jonny lee miller and jackie earl haley have been nearly mute. i wonder why?
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This is an article that rehashes the IMDb's poster who claims to have seen the trailer. The link to the direct discussion thread was previously posted in this topic so I am not sure if there should be possible spoiler warning alert. http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=54833
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Hi all, I've been doing my best to find PG-13 rated "horror" films that I like. So far I've found two, "The Others" and "Poltergeist". I wish I could find more.
One of the things that I always liked about the OS was that it never talked down to us. The writers always treated us as adults. I hope this movie does as well.
I don't want a gorefest but an R rating doesn't mean it has to be gory.
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I just read the Fangoria interview with Grahame-Smith. I do feel significantly better about the film, having read the article. Although there is lots of talk about the movie being "funny," Grahame-Smith says the film has classic horror elements, and that he wouldn't describe it as campy (thank goodnes). He also mentions that the humor comes from character -- primarily Barnabas's adjustment to 1970. He clearly says that Depp wanted to pay tribute to Jonathan Frid, so I am fairly confident now that the movie won't be a spoof of the original. I think I need to make peace with the likelyhood that the movie will be too funny for my taste, but at least I don't expect it to be a train-wreck. I'm eager to hear how others feel, after reading the interview.
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This is an article that rehashes the IMDb's poster who claims to have seen the trailer.
This is really getting attention, popping up in a number of places.
It's funny. We got those paparazzi shots and everyone was outraged. Then WB released the cast photo. Everyone was relieved. But now we know that the look in the paparazzi shots is very similar to what we will be seeing in the final film.
If this negative press prompts any sort of reaction from Warners, I wonder if the thing they put out won't throw us off course in attempt to ease our fears, but then have those fears confirmed later down the line - after we have come to accept them more.
Like I said, there was one purported joke that I am very adamantly against. And, if anything, I hope the release of this "news" will make Warners re-think the use of some of the humor, if it is indeed in there, or at least downplay it in the promotion.
Poster soon? [snow_cheesy]
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i read the fangoria article and it really doesn't seem like the film is to be a comedy.
perhaps the trailer was simply edited that way for test marketing purposes.
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Some of the film's score has been released!
http://youtu.be/rdPMTVTVk7k
(Sorry, sorry...) :P
(Oh, warning: NSFW language)
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perhaps the trailer was simply edited that way for test marketing purposes.
That would seem to be the case. I just hope they downplay it now after the negative reaction.
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So the UK DVD release is 18 yrs and over while the new movie is PG-13.
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So the UK DVD release is 18 yrs and over while the new movie is PG-13.
Huh??? [snow_huh]
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Apparently the English fashion community has taken note of the DS costumes - and not just the costumes but also a particular star of the film:
The Guardian>Life & style>Fashion>The measure (http://www.guardian.co.uk/fashion/2012/feb/17/measure-toy-claudia-winkleman?newsfeed=true)
(Scroll down to the 5th listing in the Going Up section.)
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If you go to the Amazon Co. UK and look up the DVD Dark Shadows The Original TV Series, under rating it say "Suitable For 18 and Over". Not that's funny!
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The only rating I see on the Amazon.co.uk listing is this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dark-Shadows-Complete-Original-DVD/dp/B006Z7Z3KY/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1329529695&sr=8-7
"Classification: Unrated (US MPAA rating.)"
Where are you looking, borgosi?
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dark-Shadows-Original-Barnabas-Episodes/dp/B0077NF7AQ/ref=sr1_9_?s=dvd&ie=UTF&qid=1329566515&sr=1-9
I think that will get you to the right release. When there look right under the title. I do like the artwork.
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Google Alerts is quite obviously not on the ball lately because I just received an alert to the following article from January 25th. And I'm not even quite sure what country the Web site is located in. But I'm posting the link because after reading it how could anyone not get excited about the DS film - the excitement of the writer is infectious:
Coming Soon: Dark Shadows (http://www.unsungfilms.com/?p=2654)
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Was just catching up on some of the entertainment news magazines that I've recorded in the past week or so and discovered that DS was mentioned on last Friday's (February 10th's) installment of The insider - though it wasn't exactly what one might hope. The show, which as I've said before is fairly tabloidy, felt the need to repeat the "rumor" that Depp is "perhaps moving on" with Eva Green, his "Dark Shadows co-star." And if just simply repeating that wasn't enough, they had to paint a picture that the two made the DS film "together," and they were "on a set together," and "things can get kinda friendly." [snow_rolleyes] But hey, if it makes the people who are into that sort of rumor reporting and who might otherwise not go to see the DS film go just to see how Depp and Green interact with each other on screen, I suppose the report can't be a totally bad thing...
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dark-Shadows-Original-Barnabas-Episodes/dp/B0077NF7AQ/ref=sr1_9_?s=dvd&ie=UTF&qid=1329566515&sr=1-9
I think that will get you to the right release. When there look right under the title. I do like the artwork.
That's an interesting release, borgosi. Thanks for sharing. I wonder how this company obtained the rights and which episodes they are including... But, yes, the rating is bizarre. Makes me wonder if it is accurate.
Thanks for sharing those two things, MB. It's good to know that DS is being mentioned on those shows... But... it would be nice if the mention wasn't focused on that aspect.
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It's good to know that DS is being mentioned on those shows... But... it would be nice if the mention wasn't focused on that aspect.
No kidding! DS has so far only been mentioned on Entertainment Tonight in connection with a segment on Depp and Vanessa Paradis possibly breaking up - and then The Insider only brings DS up while repeating the rumor that Depp and Green could be involved and compounding it by speculating about how things can get friendly on a movie set. (I'm actually surprised that they didn't also bring up the rumor about Bella Heathcote and Brad Pitt on the Cogan's Trade set. It's been discounted - but when does a little thing like that ever stop these shows?) Though at least ET showed Depp as Barnabas from the cast photo and said they believe he's "going to be so good" in the role.
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Seems like the art may be final after all:
Magnificent DARK SHADOWS Magazine Cover Art (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=54989&t=Magnificent_DARK_SHADOWS_Magazine_Cover_Art)
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does anyone have this yet?
according to collinwood.net alexandra isles is interviewed. i'm curious to hear what she has to say about the character she created over 40 years ago being reprised for the big screen. she's usually pretty mum on the whole thing except a few dvd interviews.
her remarks are generally the same..."joan bennett was wonderful", "vicki was dumb", "thayer david and clarice blackburn were great actors"...so hopefully she'll have something new to add to the conversation.
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The article indicates that the issue doesn't ship until May. I guess it's supposed to coincide with the release of the film.
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Another trailer review (?)
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=55054
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Some of that was funny. (The lines in the first trailer made me laugh a considerable amount) Some has me gravely worried, mostly what takes place in the longer trailer.
There are, however, conflicting stories on the dialogue between Depp and Green when she allegedly rips off her shirt. It could be two separate lines from the same scene. That has me worried, as does everything that follows that scene. Unfortunately, based on everything we know, it sounds completely true.
Let us hope that the actual film is more about the horror than the comedy, though, which we are being told it is... At this point, with so much comedy, I am unsure... And it has me even more anxious to see the final trailer.
And then, of course, this could just be an attempt to scare us all. If it is, it's a pretty convincing one...
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How was this person able to remember in extreme detail what was said in the trailers? Was this person allowed to take notes? Isn't there some confidentiality agreement? I have my doubts with this reviewer but if this is true then this movie is really an over the top parody of DS.
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I've moved on from expecting a serious movie. I'll just go & watch 'Barnabas: Dead & Loving It' with an open mind & shall probably end up enjoying it.
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i'm with you sara monster...
the hand wringing is growing suffocating.
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I give up expecting any of this to be good but I also am not going to waste my time at the movies if they are going to give us such a piece of junk. This isn't an homage to Dark Shadows. It's a farce and the fact that any of the original stars backed this up? It just fuels my original argument that they did it for a nice paycheck. For shame!
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Now that I think of it, this trailer reminds me a lot of the trailer I saw for this film while watching the excellent Woman in Black:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596350/
And look what kind of review it's getting...
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And here we go. The story is already taking off. http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00048044.html
Hope WB is aware that by not releasing the trailer it is creating negative buzz in the media. But then again I may not even want to watch it at this point.
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Sadly, I'm with you, Jimbo.
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Hope WB is aware that by not releasing the trailer it is creating negative buzz in the media. But then again I may not even want to watch it at this point.
The trailer or the movie... or both? [snow_wink]
Because I really, really feel a big disappointment coming our way if this turns out to be true. None of it is in the vein of the original series. And it seems odd to me that they would be so faithful to the costumes and set design and then deliver a script that is a travesty.
And the fact that KLS and LP are so gung-ho about it IS suspicious to me, VictoriaWinters1991. Selby and Frid have not really commented, and I would trust their analysis more. So their lack of comment may be telling...
I just hope that this is all wrong. Some of the jokes are cute - like the Satan-TV thing, but the whole thing just seems to do a disservice to our original series. I want to see the trailer to be proven wrong.
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I was referring first to the trailer. I'm afraid of what it looks like. I still want to believe that TPTB know what they are doing but the purported evidence is pointing into a possible fiasco. Regarding the o/s actors, I don't think they saw much of the movie's filming. All they know what they filmed. Even HBC fooled them with her remarks on how much she loved the original show then subsequently trashed the same o/s series.
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I take comfort in knowing that I am not the only one feeling the need to be consoled after thinking about this.
BUT, KLS said she read the script... so I assumed the others had seen it as well.
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James, you may be right about that. I forgot they were only on the set for a day so who knows what they got to see. Although KLS claims to have read the script and loved it but again...that's suspicious to me. AND for what it's worth, I really think Ben Cross was approached to do a cameo or something in DS. He didn't mention what film but went on to say that he turned down a script because he couldn't imagine his "fans" seeing him in something that wasn't good.
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That's an interesting tidbit about Cross, VictoriaWinters1991. When did he say this?
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I found this info on his facebook page. I'd have to go down aways but yeah, it's definitely there. Like I said, he did NOT specifically say it was Dark Shadows. That's my speculation though and it is very possible that is the film he meant.
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i don't think it's really fair to "shame" four elderly actors for accepting a part in a movie. not unless you want to pay their bills.
and this conversation is starting to get hysterical.
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i don't think it's really fair to "shame" four elderly actors for accepting a part in a movie. not unless you want to pay their bills.
and this conversation is starting to get hysterical.
Agree! But do you mean hysterical or hilarious? It's been near-hysterical, in the classic sense, for a while now.
I knew it would be a comedy; I just wish, reading that trailer description, it sounded like a funnier one. At the moment it sounds like the kind of thing the group of drag artists would perform at a DS convention.
And Ben Cross was in the terrible fourth Exorcist film...
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CB and VW1991 I forgot that KLS had actually read the script. Interesting enough soon after the new trailer review had been posted as I posted here, KLS had this to say about it:
Kathryn Leigh Scott@Dark_PassagesReply 10 hours ago
@filmDARKSHADOWS @ComicUniverse I'm fascinated by the description of the trailer. Jonathan, Lara, David and I all have cameos in film!
So does this mean that KLS after having read the script is saying that she agrees that the trailer is an actual depiction of the script she read? She didn't challenge the trailer's description by that reviewer. Did she mean that she is fascinated because how off the review is? This doesn't look promising.
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Does anyone have the source where she claims to have read the whole script? That's rather unusual that a supporting player or dayplayer would be given access to the whole thing. I wonder if Jim Pierson passed one to her. I wonder if she read the shooting script or the discarded draft by John August.
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Wow, there is a whole lot of "reading into" largely based on rumor, conjecture, speculation, and few facts. [snow_silly]
It's hard not to wonder and try to get a handle on what's going on with the movie and the trailer but let's at least realize when we are doing it and, even after the discussion, we still don't really have any idea what the trailer or the movie is going to be like until we see the damn thing.
I certainly do not see the value of stating the actors who did the cameos did so for nefarious reasons, looking to sell DS fans out. That is a far-reaching, wholly unsubstantiated opinion.
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Agree! But do you mean hysterical or hilarious?
Both!! [snow_wink]
And Ben Cross was in the terrible fourth Exorcist film...
Yes, that was a bad, bad movie. He's made a few duds as most actors have during their career. I doubt Cross was asked to be in the new DS movie. There's no reason he would be that I can see.
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Not sure what to make of this. Having read the descriptions of the trailers, I can't help wondering if someone is trying to pull off a hoax. After all, anyone can post just about anything on the Internet, but that doesn't make it true. As Nancy wrote, we really won't know for sure until Warners releases the trailers and we see them for ourselves.
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And it seems odd to me that they would be so faithful to the costumes and set design and then deliver a script that is a travesty.
Exactly which is why I refuse to speculate about the trailers or the movie based on rumors. There are people who enjoy putting out false information just to light people up.
And the fact that KLS and LP are so gung-ho about it IS suspicious to me, VictoriaWinters1991. Selby and Frid have not really commented, and I would trust their analysis more. So their lack of comment may be telling...
CB, I am surprised at your statement here because I usually agree with everything you post. [snow_huh] So I have to ask you: Why is KLS and LP's opinion less valid than Selby and Frid who have not commented any more on the film? Why not accept a stated opinion but feel the unstated one might be more true? Maybe they want fans to decide for themselves on the film. I find it difficult to believe that any of them would be in a film that would make them, and what they are known for, look silly or idiotic. I know each of these actors enough to know they would have questions before agreeing to do a cameo. There isn't big money in doing cameos and going to the trouble of flying to England for a small check, AND to be in a lousy movie, doesn't make any sense at all.
In the face of rumor, speculation and information given to us by people we don't know anything about, the only thing we can use is common sense.
I want to see the trailer to be proven wrong.
I've gone to see movies based on trailers only to discover the spin of the trailer was not reflected in the movie I saw. Based on those experiences, I am going to see the movie whether or not I like the trailer.
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I can't even believe the site went with the story all based on "a source who claims" to have seen the trailer. They had no verification the person saw the trailer or is part of a test audience. Yet, because it is on the internet and feeds into existing fears some fans have about what the movie will be, the words used "possible" and "claims" will turn into fact, not the conjecture such words are normally associated with.
And here we go. The story is already taking off.
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Phil I did a quick search to answer your question and so far this is the closest I got. I also believe she made other comments and confirmed that Bella is also playing Josette and her comments were made prior to it being reflected at the IMDB site. She may have said it at the SDCC panel. There are videos on youtube of that event but I am pressed for time today. See last question. http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/03/kathryn-leigh-scott-writes-dark-shadows.html
I still doubt the most recent reviewer's take on the trailers. We need to see it as many of you have said. No trailer just fuels wild negative speculation. I just don't understand WB's marketing strategy to date.
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Jimbo, in case you didn't know, KLS will be doing a book signing event in NYC in April. I'm sure she will be peppered with questions about the new movie and hopefully a video of her responses will get posted on youtube.
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the words used "possible" and "claims" will turn into fact, not the conjecture such words are normally associated with.
Sadly, the situation you're describing with that Web site is nothing new for the Internet - and one need look no further for proof of that than to how very similar it is to what happened when Entertainment Weekly simply speculated that the DS film had been put on the backburner, but after one Web site misinterpreted what EW had written and came to the conclusion they were saying the DS film was dead, reports surfaced all over the Internet that the film was dead, despite the fact that it was not.
As for the descriptions of the new trailer, they could be completely true or they could be complete fabrications - but even if they are true, as I said before, that in no way means that humor is all there is to the film. DS wouldn't be the first supernaturally oriented film to have a large dose of humor while also being violent and bloody. And we've been told that the DS film will be all three, so we shouldn't lose sight of that regardless of what the trailers turn out to be like. Trailers are marketing tools, and as Nancy stated, they're not always a completely accurate reflection of what a film is. (Not by a long shot with some films.) Plus there's also the possibility that Warner Brothers will release several trailers - ones emphasizing the humor in the film and others emphasizing other aspects of the film. But whatever develops down the road, right now the main issue is that none of us have actually seen any trailer for ourselves to judge it for ourselves. We haven't heard the described dialogue for ourselves and we haven't seen the actors' faces while they're delivering the dialogue. If and when we do, that could possibly make a big difference in how we interpret the situations.
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the SDCC panel. There are videos on youtube of that event
And speaking of those videos, in one KLS and Lara Parker categorically deny that the DS film is in any way a parody of the original series. We discussed that fact here on the forum back when they were first released.
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CB, I am surprised at your statement here because I usually agree with everything you post. [snow_huh] So I have to ask you: Why is KLS and LP's opinion less valid than Selby and Frid who have not commented any more on the film? Why not accept a stated opinion but feel the unstated one might be more true? Maybe they want fans to decide for themselves on the film. I find it difficult to believe that any of them would be in a film that would make them, and what they are known for, look silly or idiotic. I know each of these actors enough to know they would have questions before agreeing to do a cameo. There isn't big money in doing cameos and going to the trouble of flying to England for a small check, AND to be in a lousy movie, doesn't make any sense at all.
That is very true. But for me it comes down to a matter of finances. I don't see Frid or Selby profiting from the film like I see KLS and LP. Both have books to sell, and the new movie will boost those sales, thus I am "suspicious" of their statements, because I see the other motive here. Though I am sure that neither KLS nor LP would support a film that they thought was terrible, they stand to gain from it. That is why I am interested in hearing from the other two original actors, who may be more objective on the matter.
and this conversation is starting to get hysterical.
michael c, we are a bunch of Grayson-loving folks. Of course we are going to break into Julia hysterics. We have not seen any official publicity (and are two months away from release) and we are being taunted by rumors. We need sedatives... badly. And the only one who can provide them is Warner Bros.
[snow_laugh]As for the descriptions of the new trailer, they could be completely true or they could be complete fabrications - but even if they are true, as I said before, that in no way means that humor is all there is to the film... Plus there's also the possibility that Warner Brothers will release several trailers - ones emphasizing the humor in the film and others emphasizing other aspects of the film. But whatever develops down the road, right now the main issue is that none of us have actually seen any trailer for ourselves to judge it for ourselves.... If and when we do, that could possibly make a big difference in how we interpret the situations.
All very true. And I definitely agree. But it's just too hard not to speculate about this. It's fascinating, and if true and an actual reflection of the film, it's gonna be one heck of a ride! And I don't know how I feel about it... [snow_wink]
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But it's just too hard not to speculate about this.
Speculating is great and it can be loads of fun. I mean, that's one of the things that forums like this are chiefly for and we wouldn't have it any other way. [snow_wink] But speculation where all the facts come into play and speculation where certain facts are conveniently left out is another thing entirely. Though don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing anyone here of doing the latter - however, I have seen it in plenty of other places where the DS film and the consumer survey trailers are being discussed. It's as if in those places they're deliberately choosing to ignore anything that's been said to describe the film that doesn't fit into their view. And that's wrong. People should always try to keep the entire picture in mind and deal with it as a whole, meaning everything that's been said, rather than picking and choosing only what supports the argument(s) they want to make while ignoring anything and everything that doesn't support them.
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Cousin Barnabas - thanks for amplifying your viewpoint. I certainly understand the reasoning behind it.
MB, your post on speculation was marvelous to read. Speculation is fun. As you indicated in your post, it's important to remind ourselves what remains speculation and unsubstantiated rumor before crossing over to call something "a fact."
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Of course, Nancy. That being said, I respect LP and KLS a great deal, but I know how financial matters can sometimes sway opinions. Note, I don't necessarily believe this is the case here. It's just that I want comment from Frid and Selby who are coming from a more neutral position.
And, yes, MB. My feelings exactly. And I think that we do a great job of it here. When we get positive news, everyone is happy. When we hear negative rumors, people get worried. So it all balances out in the end. Nonetheless, we all love Dark Shadows and have become accustomed to a specific presentation of it. I am sure that everyone has the best interest of DS in mind when they post - even negative responses. It's something very near and dear to us. If it weren't, we wouldn't be so active in our discussions. That being said, however, the only real indicator we have to judge the film will be the final cut. And, until then, it's a grand journey of speculative ups and downs, all of which I am enjoying thoroughly (some more than others [snow_wink]).
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I'm assuming everything we've read is true. They're making a completely goofy/out there homage to the show. Not sure why that's such cause for alarm. We'll always have the show (that whole "only soap to be released in its entirety on home video" miracle is never lost on me), and nothing is ever going to replace the show, so why not go for broke and give us something completely unexpected? To be honest, when DCP/Pierson were in creative control of these relaunches, the results weren't so hot.
Just as an example: I'll never understand the slavish narrative loyalty that insisted BOTH the 91 and 04 versions HAD to start with Vicki on a train. Just because the original did? That's the opposite of creativity. Fan fiction is so often terrible because of that kind of fealty to the source. I'm excited for them to turn the property on its ear; the original series is safe on my shelf!
The sad thing is that hardcore fans are likely the only ones to get a kick out of this version. New folks will be left out of the joke, is my guess.
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I really don't understand the reasoning behind buying a property just to change it. Why not just do something original and save your money.
I will watch the trailer and if I don't like what I see I'll wait and see what fans of the OS have to say about it. If they like it I'll go. If it's a comedy, I won't. I see no reason to pay to get pissed off.
On 2-29 on the show "Face Off" on the Syfy channel they are going to be making people up "worthy of a Tim Burton" movie. He isn't listed as being on the show but who knows, he could be. I don't expect a trailer but you never know.
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Thanks Nancy about the heads up on KLS book signing in NY in April. That is good timing for her as the trailer will have been released creating great interest in the book. I'm not sure she will be permitted to answer questions in detail.
Does anyone here know how a studio tests a trailer? I would think that the trailer is shown once and then the reviewer has to answer specific questions immediately following the viewing. I still can't understand how the 2nd reviewer managed to remember the dialogue with such great specificity.
Chloe tweeted yesterday that she will be attending the DS premiere in London. No shocker there.
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After reading the lastest description of the supposed trailer, I came away with the following understanding: [spoiler]The entire 1970s family is aware that Barnabas is a vampire, and is perhaps even protecting him.[/spoiler]
Did anyone else get the same vibe? What a strange change to the original story. If true, then that explains why the family accepts Barnabas, despite his unusual "look." Until now, it seemed perposterous that they would accept someone who looked like that as a member of the family. I'm not happy about the explanation, but at least,\ we have one.
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I agree with your take on it. I don't like it one bit if it turns out to be the case. I know others will like it but I think it is just plain stupid. On the other hand it could just be a joke.
This article predicts the DS movie will take in approximately $25 million in its first weekend. http://moviecitynews.com/2012/02/5-predictions-for-2012/
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Hey Neil -- I thought the same thing. I think it's kind of a terrific take -- as someone else pointed out today, we have the original series. And while I won't be, say, thrilled if it turns out to be a parody, I like to see variations in remakes. Last year's Fright Night took some interesting new turns, for example; if I want to sample the original, I can do that with my DVDs. Besides, I've always been intrigued by the idea that [spoiler]the family may know Barnabas' secret and actually be supportive. [/spoiler]
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It's important to bear in mind that it is very common for trailers and TV series promos to have brief clips of dialog strung together totally out of context, giving the impression of plot points that are actually very different from what is in the real story.
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Thinking about the matter of humor in DS, this morning I got thinking about the series Twin Peaks. That was something that was quite dark, yet also had a very healthy amount of humor, and sometimes outright hilarious moments. Then I got thinking, what if David Lynch had gotten his hands on the rights to DS? Now that would really be something! You could certainly bet that there'd be some humor in it, but I'd be hard pressed to imagine him making an actual comedy.
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Just watched episode 214. Barnabas has quite a fitting line that ties into the current situation.
"Nothing that ever happened here was... funny." [snow_cheesy]
Thought that was appropriate for the discussion at hand. [snow_wink] And, MB, btw, great new background!
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i don,nt aprove of making ds a comedy but other movies have a lot of comedy in them look at superman2 it had alot of funny moments. but it had its share of drama it had great villiams but they had gene hackmam for the comedy.
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The sad thing is that hardcore fans are likely the only ones to get a kick out of this version. New folks will be left out of the joke, is my guess.
Possibly not. I was checking out JOHNNYDEPPZONE a short while ago and discovered there's a topic over there discussing the latest descriptions of the consumer survey trailers. Interestingly, the majority of people posting are Depp fans but not DS fans and they're loving what they've read about the trailers. The one poster who is having any sort of problem is someone who's both a Depp and DS fan - but she's also willing to give the benefit of the doubt until she sees the trailers for herself. And like I've said, I also prefer to wait to see any trailers for myself before I form any opinions about them. But who knows - perhaps developing some trailers that focus on the humor in the film could be a good thing in the long run if the Depp fans over there are any indication of how a general audience will respond to them.
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I still can't understand how the 2nd reviewer managed to remember the dialogue with such great specificity.
This is purely a guess, but perhaps they have a copy of the trailer. When consumer surveys like that are handled in offices, obviously people only get to view trailers or whatever once. However, when a consumer survey is handled on a person's own computer, and that survey features video, it's quite possible that a copy of that video may be present in the person's browser cache for a period of time. And if that person is savvy enough, it is possible for the them to go into their browser's cache and save a copy of the video file that's stored there.
One would think that the people behind consumer surveys featuring video would be smart about not letting people get copies of the video. And there are ways to do that. But some of the methods only delete the video from a browser's cache after either the video window is closed or the survey is completed. So, if a survey handles video in either of those two ways, and if someone were to go into their browser's cache before either of those two things happen...
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And, MB, btw, great new background!
Thanks - a short while ago I posted about it and the associated forum logo in the "** BIG CHANGES COMING FOR THE NEW YEAR **" over on the Testing board.
And speaking of the background for the film, I discovered two interesting things when I did a very high resolution scan of the cast photo. For one, I never noticed how intricately detailed Barnabas' cane is. And secondly, even though it's not exactly the same, that blue and white vase/jar behind Mrs. Johnson's head is reminiscent of the one often seen on the original show.
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/Cane.jpg) (http://www.dsboards.com/images/Vase.jpg)
Also notice that you can see Barnabas ring much better. And not that I needed to, but I decided to include all of Mrs. Johnson because, well. she is so far in the background in most of the versions of the cast photo that you can barely even see her, much less the vase/jar behind her.
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Thanks for that, MB! Fantastic! Like I said, the sets and costumes are stunning, which is why I have my doubts that they would allow a script that was so out of line with the original series. But, time will tell... [snow_smiley]
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Thanks MB for the great photo of Barnabas' cane. Nice detail indeed.
Thanks also for the explanation on how the reviewer possibly recalled the dialogue in great length. That would give the reviewer more credibility. I am just not thrilled at all at was written but time will tell if and how it is utilized in the film.
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"Young Frankenstein" had great sets and costumes, it even has some of the original labs props, and it was completely out of line from the original Universal Frankenstein.
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Yeah, they don't allocate budgets to how serious a movie is.
To clarify the earlier comment, I guess I mean that hardcore fans will be the only ones to really fully "get" a comedic riff on the show, and the sad part is that so few seem open to that experience.
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I forgot to mention how much I like the new background. Well done.
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Thanks also for the explanation on how the reviewer possibly recalled the dialogue in great length. That would give the reviewer more credibility.
Though keep in mind that that may not be the case with the consumer survey the person took with regard to the DS trailers. Quite honestly I wouldn't do business with an outfit that allowed people taking a consumer survey to get copies of the video I was testing, no matter how likely it was that only people savvy enough to know how they could get copies could do so. I'd want to do business with an outfit that doesn't allow anyone to get copies, no matter how savvy they are. And there are ways to make certain no one can get copies. So one would think that these outfits would be smart enough to use them rather than possibly open themselves up to irate customers finding out their test videos are ending up on YouTube or being shared via torrent software.
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I noticed Barnabas' long, scary Jerry Dandridge-ish fingernails in the high res scan -- creepy!
(And I'd like to add my thanks, MB, for the new background -- supah dupah creepy!)
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"Young Frankenstein" had great sets and costumes, it even has some of the original labs props, and it was completely out of line from the original Universal Frankenstein.
That was meant to be a parody from the beginning, borgosi. We have been told this is not.
Yeah, they don't allocate budgets to how serious a movie is.
Yes, because that is clearly what I meant...
What I was saying is that I find it hard to believe that Burton and Co. would go to such lengths to recreate the look of the original and then not recreate the feel. It's possible. We'll see.
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If what we're being told about these trailers is true, and I'm hoping it isn't, this has to be a parody. Nothing of what has been reported has the feel of the original IMHO. We won't know until we see the trailer.
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Gawd. This Mrs Johnson looks like a refugee from that Lovecraft tale, "The Shadow over Innesmouth" (or a related story by the Master of Arkham, "The Festival").
She also makes me think of Dame Edna Everage's late bridesmaid, Madge Althorpe (in her 1980s act).
G.
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I agree MB about the unlikelyhood of WB taking the risk of providing someone with a trailer that he or she could pause, stop and save to one's hard drive or elsewhere and having it winding up on YouTube. I thought that the purpose of having a studio conduct a test of its trailer is to get said person's IMMEDIATE reaction to it. It doesn't make sense at least to me is a studio allowing the reviewer access to the trailer for an extended period of time. I wonder if this reviewer explained the testing process.
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If what we're being told about these trailers is true, and I'm hoping it isn't, this has to be a parody. Nothing of what has been reported has the feel of the original IMHO. We won't know until we see the trailer.
You're right. It sounds that way based on this info. But taking into consideration what others have told us (That it isn't), I am hoping it turns out to be very different from this purported trailer. So, yes, we will see what the final trailer looks like and what the final film looks like. I am really hoping for something true to the original... maybe against the odds. [snow_sad]
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The first person who claims to have seen the trailer says he/she got it from esearch. It seems from the website they are sent a url and directions. I find it hard to believe WB would go this route with this big budgeted movie but who knows. http://www.esearch.com/about/
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What I was saying is that I find it hard to believe that Burton and Co. would go to such lengths to recreate the look of the original and then not recreate the feel. It's possible. We'll see.
Didn't mean any offense, but whatever Burton & Depp's intention, the production/costumer designers and art directors aren't going to half-ass it based on the creative tone. They're spending millions of dollars on the film, and the design team is going to bring their A game, no matter what "legacy" is being pillaged for laughs...
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You're absolutely right. But, I guess I am expecting less attention to the traditional elements of costume and set if this is going to be a huge diversion. A good chunk of the cast looks like they walked right out of the original series (with certain updates). If this is a parody, I get it. If the attention is to mock those looks, it's one thing. But I don't think any of us were thinking that was the case after seeing the cast photo. If Burton is going for his own radical spin (that's not parody), I'd think that would extend to set design and costume. I can't see him staying so true to those elements and then turning the movie into a comedy.
They actually went to Seaview to photograph and survey for goodness sake. I can't imagine Tim Burton's crew going to all that trouble just so he could have a script that diverts from the original tone. But who knows? Maybe the beauty of the original series is only skin deep for Burton and Co... Time will tell.
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the fashions of the early 1970's practically come with their own laugh track...
gauchos! platform shoes! bell bottoms! leisure suits!
burton and colleen atwood look like they've gone with a light and subtle hand with the costuming. from the few shots we've seen nobody looks stupid. actually everyone looks nice.
so perhaps the parody is not as broad as is being predicted.
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and i'm not really seeing the connection between whether the film is a comedy or not and the production values of the sets and costuming. [snow_huh]
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You're absolutely right. But, I guess I am expecting less attention to the traditional elements of costume and set if this is going to be a huge diversion. A good chunk of the cast looks like they walked right out of the original series (with certain updates).
That they've done that, and are making a goofy love letter to the original show, without any kind of slavish fanboy loyalty, is kind of what excites me.
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good points phil...
everyone keeps questioning depp's "love" and "loyalty" to the OS.
but one can have a great fondness for it and still approach it in a lighthearted way. a camp. a bit of a jest.
it's not like the OS doesn't readily lend itself to such an approach.
and as someone mentioned a dark, heavy, serious approach has not always served the series' offshoots well.
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It is obvious from the range of posts here and based on what we know so far that those looking for a dark, heavy, serious tone mixed with some comedic moments are going to be very disappointed; those wanting to see an over the top parody are going to love the movie.
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It is obvious from the range of posts here and based on what we know so far that those looking for a dark, heavy, serious tone mixed with some comedic moments are going to be very disappointed; those wanting to see an over the top parody are going to love the movie.
What I'm looking for is something between the two extremes but, in terms of specifics, one which I'm not qualified to imagine. I pay 11 bucks (yep, 11) to see things I couldn't come up with on my own.
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Actually it is 12 dollars where I am but I digress. I won't be happy with a BC purportedly yawning after he is freed after 200 years. Funny, for sure. JD has stated he wants to play BC as a classical vampire. I don't think Dracula would be yawning in the same story context after being buried all those years. With respect to the spoiler Neiljohnson referred to, that is an unacceptable story twist IMO. That is akin to a child finding a puppy and asking his parents, "can we keep him?". The bottom line is we don't exactly know what the truth is until we see the trailer.
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I keep coming back to what was said at Comic Con. When someone in the audience said she was afraid the film was going to be campy and a parody of the original show, not only did KLS and Lara Parker flatly deny that it would be, so did Jim Pierson. And when the same person said she didn't want to see what she termed "Jack Sparrow in Maine," they all said there was no worry of that because the film wouldn't be anything like that.
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The bottom line is we don't exactly know what the truth is until we see the trailer.
We may not even know it then because, as several people have said, trailers don't necessarily give a complete and accurate picture of what a film is really like. Often they showcase one aspect of a film but not the film's tone in its entirety.
We won't actually know what the film is really like until we finally see it for ourselves...
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I just read the Ross person's description of those two trailers. Hoo boy, sounds like a bottom-of-the-barrel script to me.
I'm not surprised that Seth Graham failed to get the ring of late 18th century genteel speech, but it is surprising that he seems to have given such anachronistic dialogue to people living in 1972. I do remember how people talked back then. It wasn't anything at all like the dialogue quoted in the Ross rap about these snippets.
Excitement fading... but, we still have the DVD restoration of NoDS to look forward to... that remains my predominant focus as a fan of the original.
G.
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I do have to say one thing that I enjoyed reading in the description of the longer trailer was this part:
A train is moving then a ghostly appearance of Bella Heathcote's character appears and says "She's coming". Voice over says "I don't know what it is, there's always been something funny here pulling me to you". The real life Josette walks in. Depp stands up and says "Josette". The little brother character says "That's freaky" Bella Heathcote says to Depp "I feel like I've known you forever".
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and i'm not really seeing the connection between whether the film is a comedy or not and the production values of the sets and costuming. [snow_huh]
Maybe it's just me, but I think the loyalty to the original look, especially for Barnabas, Julia, and Roger and the fact that Burton's team scouted Seaview tells us that they are trying to keep the look of the show true to original form. They could have gone with radical new designs for these characters, but they chose not to. HBC's wig, Depp's bangs... All original elements that are instantly recognizable. If Burton was going to deviate in tone there would be no reason to be so strict to the original look of the characters - unless it was a downright parody. If he wanted to create a new tone for the movie, why be so slavish to the original look? He could just make his own new look to go along with the new tone... That's how I see it anyway.
Since March, Burton has stated that he has been wanting to get the tone "right". That doesn't indicate to me that he is creating a new (different) tone (a la overall comic tone). That indicates he is trying to set a tone in a similar way to how he designed the looks of the characters and of the sets - a tone that would reflect the look of the film. I don't really see an out and out comedy doing that, as it deviates from the look. If it's a parody, I get it. If it's not, I don't see a point to recreating the original look and then not recreating something akin to the original tone.
Almost everything we have been told about these trailers would seem to contradict that. And yet I can't help but remember exactly what MB brought up about what KLS, LP, and JP said at Comic Con... Plus, we have been told it's a horror film, that the comedic elements are all based around Barnabas and his transition to his new life.
Which leads into this...
That they've done that, and are making a goofy love letter to the original show, without any kind of slavish fanboy loyalty, is kind of what excites me.
I agree 100 percent. I just hope that it doesn't end up being an outright comedy, that it balances the comic with the dramatic, and that it holds true to what we can all recognize as being Dark Shadows.
And I think we can all agree with MB that the part of the trailer description that deals with Josette is on par with what we are hoping for... This kind of description has me thrilled. I just don't want the comedy and "light raunchiness" to detract from that - which is why these trailer descriptions bother me. But, as has been said before, they may not be reflections of the final product... or even legitimate reflections of the final movie at all.
Then again, my optimism could be leading me towards disappointment. The finalized promotional materials will definitely help me in coming to a better conclusion though.
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Just my personal opinion... I would take more seriously the comments from the two cast members and Pierson if the women had been on set more than one or two days, and Pierson weren't a paid employee of Dan Curtis Productions with an obvious fiduciary interest in the success of this project.
Frankly, if it helped sell Pom Press Books, I think KLS would say just about anything to anyone (to quote Dr. Julia Hoffman in a certain scene with Our Favorite Witch).
Trying to be tactful here... whatever else one may say about the trailer descriptions, they purport to include actual dialogue from actual scenes in the completed film.
G.
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That's true. And I hate to keep harping on this, but even if all of that dialogue is indeed in the film exactly as quoted (though we have yet to see for ourselves how it's delivered), probably at the most it could comprise 90 seconds of content. And while there's also a probability that there's more where it came from, it wouldn't be the first time if that trailer gathers the most and the best of that type of dialogue to showcase it but most of the rest of the film could be very different. It wouldn't be the first time by a long short. Trailers can and have been very deceptive. With adept editing they can make dramatic films look like comedic films, comedic films look like dramatic films, romantic films look like action films, action films look like romantic films, action films look like comedic films, etc., etc. And there are too many examples of that to even begin to list here.
The bottom line is that trailer is designed to attract the potential portion of the audience who will respond to Depp/Burton's brand of humor. And like I said, if we can go by the Depp fans over on JOHNNYDEPPZONE, the descriptions of it seem to be working rather well. But that doesn't necessarily mean that all there is to the film is one liner upon one liner (the description of and the lack of one liners in the part involving Josette shows that to some degree). And given how so many people connected with it have said that the DS film contains a variety of styles and moods and because of that it will be very interesting to see how Warner Brothers attempts to market it, it just might be the case that no trailer, whether it focuses mostly on humor or romance or horror or whatever else, will be an accurate reflection of what the film will really be like...
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From the very start I've said that I don't like the idea of humor coming from Barnabas as "stranger in a strange land". It makes me think of "Escape From The Planet Of The Apes". Many have said that JP and HBC look like they're playing Frid and Hall as Barnabas and Julia, in my opinion that is parody.
I hope it's a very good movie. I hope it isn't a parody. I hope most of us like it.
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I remember that "Arachnaphobia" (sp?) was originally presented as a comedy in the first trailer. When the movie started to make a lot of money, a later trailer had a completely serious tone.
I never saw the movie myself but I have heard it wasn't really a comedy.
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And given how so many people connected with it have said that the DS film contains a variety of styles and moods and because of that it will be very interesting to see how Warner Brothers attempts to market it, it just might be the case that no trailer, whether it focuses mostly on humor or romance or horror or whatever else, will be an accurate reflection of what the film will really be like...
Exactly, MB. I keep reminding myself of HBC's comment that she's wondering how in the world Warner Bros. will sell the film. DS has always been pretty much sui generis, and it only makes sense that this film would be as well. Of course I'm nervous, but the way we've been hearing only positive stuff from those involved gives me much hope. I don't recall ever hearing anything negative from anybody who's been involved.
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The web page that ComingSoon shows as the offical page for the movie DarkShadowsthemovie.com now takes you to the WB page.
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Make what you want of it, but someone on imdb claims to have seen the trailer after taking a movie survey:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/nest/194768736?p=1
OK, this is fascinating - I just discovered that every post in that topic "has been deleted by an administrator." In fact, you can't even access the topic unless you use the link that Sara Monster posted for us. Yet the IMDb topic discussing the descriptions over on SuperHeroHype of the two consumer survey trailers is still on IMDb. What was it about the first topic that got the entire discussion deleted but hasn't affected the second topic? Well, not as of yet, anyway...
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'Dark Shadows' Trailer: Where Is It, Tim Burton?
With just 77 days until the film's release, we're still waiting for even a taste of the campy Johnny Depp starrer. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1679911/dark-shadows-trailer-tim-burton.jhtml)
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Reading the dialogue regarding Barnabas' reaction to the world around him, almost 200 years later, albeit funny, actually rings true. The one problem I had with his initial resurrection (whether in DS, HoDS, or '91 DS) was him showing up at Collinwood within a week, fully suited from Robert Hall, and fitting right in. I doubt if Willie had managed to instill in him everything he needed to know about the 20th century in a few "night classes" ("Okay, Mr. Barnabas, even though we had problems last night with what a checking account is, let's press on. If you want to fit in, you'll need to talk about Petula Clark's appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show. Now please pay attention."). The overt humor which might appear in the film, depending on how it's done, would give it a better ring of reality.
Gerard
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"caroline collins"???
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it would appear...given the few crumbs we've been tossed...that barnabas and angelique are in close and frequent contact.
and where might this contact be taking place? seems like collinwood. and why is angelique at collinwood?
i really wonder if some type of "cassandra" situation is not in store?
also do we feel comfortable that there is no "old house" and b is living at collinwood proper? we haven't heard anything about it.
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Well, you know me -- I'd love a good Cassandra sitch. (Although, instead of blushing bride nee teacher ((Angelique a TEACHER?!? my hair falls out at the thought of it)), I'm seeing more "power suited business woman.")
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With all of the widespread panic, I think it's worth noting that WB may be simply struggling to figure out how to market the movie and is testing how it will play as a comedy, which doesn't necessarily mean that the movie itself will be a comedy. These are old, but here are a few "alternative" trailers that illustrate how far off a movie can be. For example, here's a "trailer" that shows The Shining as a romantic comedy:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/KmkVWuP_sO0
And here's another one that always makes me chuckle that portrays Mary Poppins as a horror movie:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/2T5_0AGdFic
Since the trailer hasn't even been released yet, maybe it would be prudent to wait until we actually see it? As Gerard mentioned, I always thought it was a little odd how well adapted Barnabas was in the face of what should have been a pretty significant culture shock.
As for humor, even the darkest of movies have humor. I remember laughing in The Dark Knight at a couple of the things that Heath Ledger's Joker did (including the "magic trick" of making the pencil disappear and when he stopped and looked miffed when one of his explosive devices didn't work in the hospital). I don't think anybody regards that movie as a comedy or as a parody.
In the grand scheme of things, many TV series have been converted into movies. Some have been well done (I enjoyed The Untouchables) and some have been utter abominations (The Brady Bunch and Bewitched come to mind). We don't have any idea how this one's going to turn out. I'll use the Star Trek movie franchise as a guideline. In my opinion, that first Star Trek movie was a bore that was designed to delight the hardcore fans. Fortunately they were able to get past that and made a second one that turned out much more enjoyable. I hope that Burton et. al. are shooting for a movie (and maybe a franchise) that will bring in new fans, even if that ends up alienating a few of us "old" fans.
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Saw this, via the http://www.collinsporthistoricalsociety.com/
Illustrated Depp as Barnabas cover,for issue 34 of Horror Hound magazine, on twitter:
https://twitter.com/#%21/JessicaDwyer/status/172185873297838081/photo/1
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also do we feel comfortable that there is no "old house" and b is living at collinwood proper? we haven't heard anything about it.
If the family doesn't know his secret, I can see him staying in either the west or east wing. If they do, well... they're just gonna have him hang out in the basement.
I'd prefer an Old House, but I can see them ditching it for the movie. So long as Josette has a room, I will be content.
Illustrated Depp as Barnabas cover,for issue 34 of Horror Hound magazine, on twitter:
https://twitter.com/#%21/JessicaDwyer/status/172185873297838081/photo/1
That's Fridepp! [snow_cheesy] Cool! A Tim Burton interview is on its way...
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Oh I am sorry MB. I didn't see your earlier post. MTV asks a good question. It was just a matter of time before the media gets the idea that something is up with the lack of a trailer. In addition I hope the family doesn't know BC's secret because if they do the whole movie is a joke imo. Love the HorrorHound cover.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1679911/dark-shadows-trailer-tim-burton.jhtml
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New cover art for FMOFL... Definitely liked the first art better... (Though this one is pretty cool too.)
http://famousmonstersoffilmland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/FM261CVRB_Dark_Shadows.jpg
This is more film accurate, though. And it does answer the fang question.
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Illustrated Depp as Barnabas cover,for issue 34 of Horror Hound magazine
Jessica Dwyer strikes again. She may have been behind the curve for much of the film's shooting, but it sure seems like she's been ahead of the game lately.
As for her tweet, it's nice to see there will be another cover article - and an interview with Burton himself no less. And this one looks like it could be coming out soon since it says it's the March/April issue.
Thanks for the link, Sara. [snow_smiley]
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The Horror Hound cover looks better than the real thing.
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Oh I am sorry MB. I didn't see your earlier post.
No problem. Like I say, it's better to have something posted more than once than not at all. [snow_smiley] Plus you had more to say than just posting the link. [snow_wink]
MTV asks a good question. It was just a matter of time before the media gets the idea that something is up with the lack of a trailer.
Well, for a while now MTV's John Mitchell has been harping on the fact that there's been no trailer. And I'm sure part of the reason is because he was hoping that every Friday he'd be able to do all sorts of articles on the film - but obviously Burton & Co. had other ideas and have kept promotional materials and info to a minimum. Though I was a bit surprised with this latest article because if Jessica Dwyer's info was able to be believed, Warner Brothers had already said that there wouldn't be a DS trailer until March (and one would presume that MTV had heard about her tweet because they've already shown that they've been following Twitter chatter about DS). And it would certainly seem that her info could be believed because it's not likely that a trailer will appear in theaters before March 2nd. Though that might be a bit too early in March, so maybe we can hope for the 9th - though the 16th would be exactly 8 weeks until the film opens, and that would fit in with how Warner Brothers has often not released a trailer for one of their films until two months before the film opens. I suppose we'll see - if we don't die of anticipation beforehand.
In addition I hope the family doesn't know BC's secret
If they do, it would certainly be a different take. And I can see where maybe it might be true because, unless I'm reading things wrong, it would seem as if at least some in the family are aware that Angelique has unusual powers, if not the fact that she's a full fledged witch. And if they do know that, they could accept Barnabas being a vampire once he tells them about his backstory with Angelique. But we know so little about the actual storyline (and actually I'm really happy that we don't know much), so almost any speculation at this point might be true - or it could just as easily not be true...
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New cover art for FMOFL... Definitely liked the first art better...
Considering the first version was based on Barnabas' image in the cast photo, I wonder if this new version is based on a photo we've yet to see or if it's purely from the artist's imagination? I suppose it could go either way. But either way, we have a long wait for the issue to come out...
Thanks for posting the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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Thanks Cousin_Barnabas too for the link. Now that is a great photo of BC. I hope WB knows about the negative buzz that is brewing.
As I previously indicated I just don't like this possible new twist with the family knowing what Angelique and Barnabas are. It takes away the suspense of the family not knowing what they have on its hands. Does the newspaper boy know too? If this story twist is true then this movie is a parody of DS. I don't care how it is rationalized here. I'm not saying that it is not an innovative concept. The movie just doesn't need it. Many people here were defending the 1972 present day story setting largely based on the idea that if our present day was used it would be a lot easier to find out about Barnabas' false stated background. TPTB set present day 1972 just to give JD more room to work his comedic take on the character with respect to him adjusting to said time period. If they set in in our present time JD would have even more material to work with.
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Many people here were defending the 1972 present day story setting largely based on the idea that if our present day was used it would be a lot easier to find out about Barnabas' false stated background. TPTB set present day 1972 just to give JD more room to work his comedic take on the character with respect to him adjusting to said time period. If they set in in our present time JD would have even more material to work with.
That's quite true. Though I think we've since learned that setting the film in '72 has less to do with technology and more to do with it being within the "Me Generation" period, and Burton wanted to stick the characters in a period that was narcisstic and where many people, including some of the Collinses, and chiefly Roger, could be mostly out for themselves - and Barnabas would find that shocking.
And don't get me wrong because I'm not saying I would like the family to know about Barnabas' secret. And as I've posted before, I've simply gotten the impression that it might only be Liz who suspects there's more to Angelique than meets the eye. But it's only an impression based on a few of the things that have been written about their relationship. Nothing has come out and said that really is the case. But even if some in the family really do know about Angelique and they learn about Barnabas' secret, I'm willing to wait to see how such things actually play out in the film before forming an opinion about them because the way they could possibly play out could turn out to be surprising and quite interesting...
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That is also true MB. I just don't really know what to say at this point. I am not impressed with WB's synopsis and from what we have been hearing about the story too date. I just hope that somehow TB and company are merely trying to keep us completely off guard and the finished product is going to be different from what has been perhaps intentionally fed to us.
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Regarding the family knowing BC's secret -- the person who described the trailer mentioned a scene in which BC walks into Collinwood and says, [spoiler]"I'm a vampire."[/spoiler].
Assuming that is true, then the family must be aware of his curse.
I speculate that [spoiler]the family tolerates (even protects) a vampire in the family,[/spoiler] because they are down-and-out, and BC offers to return them to wealth somehow. That in itself is a play on the "me generation." Meaning, the family is so self-centered they accept his help, despite the horrors.
I hope I am wrong, but that's my guess.
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If, in this iteration of the story, the family knows that Barnabas is a vampire, that would explain why nobody seems shocked at those awful talons Depp is sporting. Otherwise, ignoring those would have strained even the Collinses' credulity.
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I don't know how much we can take from the description of the consumer survey's trailer because, as KMR pointed out:
It's important to bear in mind that it is very common for trailers and TV series promos to have brief clips of dialog strung together totally out of context, giving the impression of plot points that are actually very different from what is in the real story.
Julia's question, Barnabas' response, and Roger's reaction could be taken from three completely different scenes for all we know. Though even if they are from the same scene and they're actually seen in sequence in the film in the same way as they appear in the consumer survey's tailer, that still doesn't necessarily mean that the family believes Barnabas is literally a vampire. They could take his remark to mean he's metaphorically a vampire, just as many businessmen might describe themselves. And considering how Roger's character is supposed to be in the film, that would excite him, which would explain his reaction if it does indeed come from the same scene.
And as for Barnabas' nails, well, he could explain them as an affectation he picked up while living and/or doing business in China. The long nails of characters are often explained away that way, and not just with characters of Chinese nationality.
Actually, there are probably many ways Barnabas' pallor and nails could be explained in the film. Though whether the film uses any of them is anyone's guess at this point. The only way we might finally know is when we finally see the film for ourselves...
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wait a minute...
i feel like we're playing telephone. WHERE is everyone getting the idea that the entire family knows barnabas is a vampire?
this feels like an unsubstantiated rumor run amok. [snow_undecided]
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It comes from attempting to interpret part of the description of a consumer survey trailer that a member of the forum over on superherohype.com posted on February 20th. Here's a link to the page on the forum where the post appears:
Tim Burton's Dark Shadows (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=327727&highlight=dark+shadows&page=24)
Scroll down to post #592 and open the spoiler if you want to read the description of the entire trailer - or simply check out the spoiler below for the description of the pertinent sequence:
[spoiler]Depp goes to the Collins Mansion and meets his family. Helena Bonham Carter's character says "Who the hell is this?" Depp replies "I am a vampire madam" Jonny Lee Miller's character says "Yeah".[/spoiler]
One thing I never realized until I read the actual posts (as opposed to how the descriptions are presented on other Web sites) is that the guy posting seems to have seen two separate trailers on two separate occasions about 30 minutes apart. Certainly possible, but how odd does that seem? Though perhaps he paused the survey after he saw the first trailer and posted about it only to discover the second trailer after he'd resumed the survey. ... Who knows?
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This is the translated synopsis from the French version of Wikipedia, which was just updated today...
This film chronicles the misadventures of the Collins family fantasy, living in the vast and sinister mansion Collinwood, and one of whose leading members is the dreaded vampire Barnabas.
Angelique Bouchard, his servant also a witch, is in love. Revenge, because if last the regrowth, it made him a vampire and buried alive. Two hundred years later, in 1972, Barnabas is freed from his tomb and try to find Angelique. Transformed, it has become a formidable businesswoman. The vampire is going to get used to his new life in the house where he had lived 200 years earlier, and whose inhabitants are Elizabeth and Roger Collins and their children as well as the mysterious Victoria Winters. But Barnabas will meet with the doctor in the house: Julia. She only knows where Angelique. The vampire reveals his history, and nature and asks for help. Julia will be his faithful accomplice and under the eye of Collins, it will do everything to help him find Angelique so he can take revenge ...
This is interesting.
It should also be noted that Sir Christopher Lee is not listed as playing Billy Malloy, but rather the cemetery's caretaker. So who knows how much of this is accurate. But it is an interesting take...
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Interesting all around. Though the article in Empire Magazine includes a description of Lee's character from Seth Grahame-Smith that says he's "a sort of fisherman" who spends a lot of time in the local pub, The Blue Whale. That sounds much more like Bill Malloy than It does the caretaker.
Something else that's interesting: in the topic on superherohype.com and on the page after the posts containing the trailer descriptions, I just read where ross2287 posted:
"Visually, as far as colour palette goes, it's rather drab. Think of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory before they enter the factory. As far as the serious moments in the trailer, they seemed to take themselves appropriately seriously. Again, it's a trailer but it seems like there will be a balance."
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That guy who posted the first trailer review and whose topic had been deleted, recently posted at that other board that he faced a fine of $250,000 if he uploaded a photo or video of the trailer. He was wondering why his topic got deleted while the second reviewer's post still remains or words to that effect. I do like the second reviewer's most recent comment re: seriousness
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I just had a look at the French Wikipedia article and it actually says that Angelique turned Barn into a vampire when she fell in love with him and he rejected her.
I'll spare you my rant about automated translation utilities.
G.
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Haha, G. I knew that it wasn't because he had a regrowth! [snow_cheesy] Thanks for making that clearer.
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What is this?
https://twitter.com/#!/Helenalicious/status/172369660283600896/photo/1
A real poster? A fake poster? The date is off by a month... I don't know what to think... That's a Barnabas shadow blocking light from hitting the family portrait.
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It's a fake. Found it on DeviantArt. But it is pretty cool looking nonetheless.
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But it is pretty cool looking nonetheless.
Yes, I do like that. Excellent work by HELENAIST ^ᴥ^.
Thanks for sharing it, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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Of course! Too bad it's not official. [snow_angry] But who knows... Maybe something will come out this Friday with what looks to be one of the most terrible movies ever released to theaters...
http://www.warnerbros.com/movies/in-theaters-coming-soon/project-x/91eeea2b-c86c-409e-9ff0-c9548dc2dd3c.html
I can't imagine Warners attaching a DS trailer to it, but that might explain why we have been hearing about so much comedy... We shall wait and see.
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I finally got my hands on a copy of FANGORIA #311 this past weekend but I didn't get a chance to read the DS article until this morning. I'm not going to say too much about it because I think it would be unfair to the magazine to say too much while the issue is still available for sale. But I will say I really liked what I read - particularly how Grahame-Smith said that sometimes the film is "very scary" and that "campy" is the wrong word to describe the funny elements in the film. He also said that he's already seen the film a couple of times, and even though there are funny elements, bloody elements, some very classic horror elements, and grand Gothic soap opera monologues, it all works together. And like michael c, after reading the article I definitely came away with the belief that the film is not intended to be a comedy.
If you haven't read the article for yourself, you should definitely get a copy. [snow_wink]
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I can't imagine Warners attaching a DS trailer to it, but that might explain why we have been hearing about so much comedy... We shall wait and see.
It would definitely be nice to have some sort of a trailer by Friday. But I don't know - I still have a feeling that this Friday might be too early for what Warner Brothers meant when they apparently told Jessica Dwyer that the trailer will be out in March. Though I guess we'll see...
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Thanks MB for posting some of the Fangoria article information. It does sound much more promising. I do need to find myself a copy. I guess part of WB's marketing campaign will be using the shock and awe methodology to make up for loss time. I can't wait to see the huge highway billboards. I am going to need to concentrate my eyes on the road though which will be difficult.
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From another source this was posted on Twitter 5 hours ago. I assume this is pertaining to DS. Dark is good.
London Brass@andylondonbrass
Here at air studios working on Danny Elfman score. Very dark sounds. All contra this and that Trumpets going out of fashion!
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The "Fangoria" article sounds encouraging, MB. I plan to see the movie primarily because of the original cast members who are in it ... but it would be icing on the cake if the movie captures something of the original series.
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I haven't read the Fangoria interview but I can't believe someone that worked on a movie would say anything against it before it was released.
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Well, I suppose I can see where someone could perhaps have a healthy skepticism when it comes to Grahame-Smith's remark that all the different elements in the film work well together. It's true that he's not likely to say that they're awful together. And saying they work well together is a subjective reaction - and one coming from someone who worked on the film. Taking a wait and see attitude there could be prudent. However, I don't see any need for doubt when he says that "campy" is the wrong word to describe the funny elements in the film (after all, he wrote them, so he knows what he intended and, as someone who has seen the film, he's also seen how the lines have been delivered and the scenes have been played/edited), or that along with the funny elements there are also bloody elements and some very classic horror elements. People are more than willing to wholeheartedly believe that when those connected to the film say it's funny, they're being truthful - so I don't see any need for doubt that when Grahame-Smith says the film is scary, bloody, has moments of classic horror, and it's not campy, he's not being equally truthful. [snow_smiley]
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I read one of his books ( A.L. Vampire Hunter ) and really didn't care for it. I hope that he is better than he was. I hope he proves me wrong about him. I hope I love this movie. Only time will tell.
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i hope you like it too.
i simply cannot tell you how much i hope you like it.
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Well I hope you like it too.
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I can relate to fears about Seth Grahame-Smith - I had them myself when he was first brought on board. But since that time I've read things regarding the script that have helped to calm those fears. And the more I've read, the more confident I've become that it's quite possible that his script gets things right. Though that's not to say that it won't be different in some ways from the original series. But we were warned from the outset that changes were going to be made. And whether we feel they should be made is immaterial when TPTB feel changes are necessary to make the film more accessible to a broader audience. And who knows, they may be right. Certainly if the film is a hit, they'll think they were right.
But getting back to the point that the more I read the more confident I become that it's quite possible the script gets things right, there's more to the Fangoria article than I've already mentioned. In fact there's a whole section explaining the script's development process. And reading that was some of the most interesting and reassuring stuff I've read yet regarding the script.
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London Brass@andylondonbrass
Here at air studios working on Danny Elfman score. Very dark sounds. All contra this and that Trumpets going out of fashion!
Sounds promising. Thanks for sharing the tweet, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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For me it is a big negative if the entire family is aware of BC's secret. As it is I am trying to cope with alleged things like BC yawning upon his discovery and the comedic dialogue.
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Then, there is this account, which counters the slightly positive thoughts I was getting yesterday. This was linked from a recent discussion on imdb.com. I'm not sure if someone has posted anything about this yet. Some of the imdb.com comments thought this sounded great. To me it sounds horrid beyond belief.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=55054 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=55054)
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I agree, Philippe. I really hope the entire movie is not written as those dialogue excerpts imply, but at this point, I feel very neutral about the whole thing.
G.
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An interesting point about Barnabas' comedic dialogue in the film is that the idea of it may actually be traceable back to DC. I was looking over some stuff from the '04 pilot the other day and I suddenly remembered a remark that DC made that because Willie was going to be closer to the original series' characterization should the pilot go to series, the humorous touches in the WB series (because apparently DC came to believe there had to humor to offset "all the biting and tearing") would be coming mostly from Barnabas coping with the modern world. And if that truly was the plan, well, they've simply picked up on it for the film.
I also remember that back in January '08 Jim Pierson remarked in an article on the MPI Web site about how Barnabas coping with the modern world be featured in the film and it was something they had planned to do had the '04 pilot gone to series. And while he didn't use the word "funny," he did imply that there would be humor to it in the film. But I seem to recall that the first time the word "funny" was used was when Richard Zanuck used it in May '10, which not incidentally was before Seth Grahame-Smith became involved with the film (he wasn't brought on board until July), so that definitely proves that the film was intended to have humor even when the script was being written by John August.
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I'm not sure if someone has posted anything about this yet.
Yes, there's been an ongoing discussion in this topic about that. Go back to reply #2215 on page #148 for the start of it and be sure to read through at least reply #2317 on page #155 because there are remarks from ross2287 on superherohype.com that are conveniently not mentioned in any of the reports on the Web sites that picked up on the posts on IMDb.
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For me it is a big negative if the entire family is aware of BC's secret. As it is I am trying to cope with alleged things like BC yawning upon his discovery and the comedic dialogue.
For me, too. And anyway, a vampire wouldn't need to yawn because vampires don't need to breathe.
As for the link Philippe provided, it sounds completely horrendous.
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Collinwood.net has an excerpt from the Horror Hound Interview up! And it addresses the humor issue...
Tim Burton: "The reason I liked Dark Shadows was that it was a weird family story. It just happened to have supernatural qualities to it," he reveals. Responding to reports that the film will feature comic elements, Burton says: "It's news to me... I always start things with the most serious of intentions. I sometimes find humour in things that aren't funny and vice versa."
http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/horrorhound-magazine-interviews-tim.html
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I think that Warners is getting ready to launch the movie website. When I go to darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com, I'm redirected to Warners' main page. However, the tab in my browser briefly reads "Dark Shadows" before changing to "WarnerBros.com..."
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Thanks CB for the promising article.
Here is not the most flattering article on TB. http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2012/02/gothic_council_stages_interven.php
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Responding to reports that the film will feature comic elements, Burton says: "It's news to me...
Hmmm - if I had to pick what should make the most sense, I'd go with the director's reality because he/she is the one who has complete control of the film and whose vision the film normally ends up being imprinted with. But given what others involved with the film have said, one does have to wonder what Burton means by it's news to him if there are comic elements in the film? Though it is true that different people have different senses of humor, so who knows? And he does also say:
I sometimes find humour in things that aren't funny and vice versa.
On the other hand, this remark -
The reason I liked Dark Shadows was that it was a weird family story. It just happened to have supernatural qualities to it
- is something I totally agree with - and it would seem to corroborate editor/executive producer Chris Lebenzon's remark that DS will be a relationship film.
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Here is not the most flattering article on TB.
Wow - words fail me when it comes to that article. But I will say that if someone accuses HBC of being a "sleazy whore," it's not up to the person calling them out on the remark to prove that she isn't - it's actually up to the person who called her that in the first place to prove that she is. [snow_rolleyes]
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Regarding the HorrorHound article aren't these magazines written almost two months before it is published? TB couldn't have known about the most recent controversy. It still as far as I know doesn't answer the question if BC in fact tells his family his secret.
MB I agree with your take on that houstonpress piece. Hopefully it won't garner much attention outside of here. Oh I just noticed there are 62 comments already.
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It still as far as I know doesn't answer the question if BC in fact tells his family his secret.
IF they're going to feature the sequence that ross2287 described from the consumer survey trailer in the official trailer, it's not likely that the question will be answered until we actually see the film. The whole idea would be to play with the audience and make them wonder. And of course to get across the fact to those unfamiliar with DS that Barnabas is a vampire.
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I interpreted that sequence as an over the top joke to the family. I thought there was a voice over in one of the trailers where BC tells the audience he is a vampire.
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is it just me or is it somewhat strange that with just two months left until the film's release we do not even know what KIND of movie it is?
thriller? black comedy? parody? over-the-top soap?
weird! [snow_silly]
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Wow - words fail me when it comes to that article. But I will say that if someone accuses HBC of being a "sleazy whore," it's not up to the person calling them out on the remark to prove that she isn't - it's actually up to the person who called her that in the first place to prove that she is. [snow_rolleyes]
Man there was a whole hell of a lot of butthurt in that interview. Not to get all righteous up in here, but where on earth does that person get off calling HBC a "sleazy whore?" That really raises my hackles and just makes me refuse to take anything else they may have to say seriously. What is it with the people who have negative opinions thinking if they shout loudest that everyone will HAVE to take their side? Is their opinion somehow more valid because it's negative? Most of the time they're just repeating themselves. All right, we get it already, you don't like the movie without even having seen it. I can't wait for a movie trailer or a poster, at least then we'll have something concrete to discuss the pros and cons of.
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it very rarely rears it's ugly head at this fine board but there is unfortunately a gruesome underbelly of highly disturbed people in this fandom...
this film, and of course repeating a film that no one has seen so much as five seconds of, has brought that into sharp relief.
there have been many, many times during this process when i have found myself mortified to be part of it.
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I know it seems odd but I think the "article" is meant to be an elaborate joke. I noticed there were several other "Goth council interventions" on various topics.
They're not really DS fans, although one or two do seem to be fans. Even what they say is hard to evaluate--I couldn't take any of it seriously.
Again, not to belabor the point, but I know people who would joshingly refer to HBC as a "sleazy whore" just because she married the guy who has directed a number of her star turns lately. What can I say, I know people who have a sense of humor sometimes lacking in good taste.
Just giving my impressions. As always, YMMV.
G.
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The author of the Horror Hound article speaks (over at IMDB)...
Re: New interview with Burton (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/thread/195523582?d=195554898&p=1#195554898)
I am THRILLED to learn Burton and I have an understanding about Bob Cobert's music... [snow_cheesy]
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Ugh, I wish he had found someone other than Pierson to interview about DS.
Why don't any of these journos interview our very own Mysterious Benefactor??
wondering,
Gothick
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Does it say WHEN TB was interviewed? Thanks CB for the link.
I'm with Gothick.
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I've replaced the text of the Horror Hound writer's IMDb post with a link to it. The forum has a posted policy that we frown on people copying any posts from here and sharing them elsewhere, so we also respect that posts on other forums/boards shouldn't be copied to here. [snow_wink] No real biggie because people can still read the full text of the post via the link - but seen as we have our policy not to copy, Midnite and I could have come across as hypocrites if we left the full text up. But by all means thanks so much for calling our attention to the IMDb post, Cousin_Barnabas! [snow_smiley]
As for when the interview was done, someone has asked that on IMDb, but as of yet there hasn't been a response...
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Thanks for changing that, MB. I originally decided to copy the text, because I know how things have a habit of disappearing over there. But, I totally understand the change and hope that it's there for a long time! Has anyone gotten their hands on this magazine yet?
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I phoned my local Barnes & Noble to ask if issue #34 came in yet - they said, no, they still have issue #33. So I checked horrorhound.com and it indicates that issue #33 (the one with Kiefer Sutherland from The Lost Boys on the cover) is still the current issue. And in the store section of the Web site issue #34 is listed as a pre-order.
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Thanks for that, MB. You saved me a trip! I thought it was kind of early, but Stuart mentioned it was available now. So, I was hoping that the website was incorrect.
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According to a Horror Hound's forum member, Issue 34 was at the printer's as of the 27th of this month and hopes it will be available mid-March. In addition there were shipping delays with the previous issue.
KLS speaks briefly about the movie. http://www.collinsporthistoricalsociety.com/2012/02/kathryn-leigh-scott-returns-to_29.html
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Thanks very much for those details, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
As an interesting side note, while I was trying to determine if the magazine is based in England and perhaps that's why Stuart said it's already available (though it isn't based there - apparently they're in Ohio) I discovered that one of the magazine's staff writers is Jessica Dwyer. So, that may explain how/why she was able to get info out of Warner Brothers about the DS film's trailer release. And it may also add more credibility to whatever she may say in the future. And it's going to be interesting to see if she contributed to any of the articles in issue #34.
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Yes MB the magazine is based in Milford, Ohio. I guess they will be sure to have the magazine ready for its big 3 day convention March 23-25 in Ohio. http://www.horrorhoundweekend.com/
Ms. Dwyer does seem to have good contacts.
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I am glad to hear a bit from Burton! I am also thinking they may push it back if they don't come up with a trialer soon!!! :)
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The new KLS book is getting ready to ship to everyone who has ordered it. So if anyone here gets it soon, I hope they will tell us about new pictures or information it may offer. [snow_wink]
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Tim Burton: "It's news to me... I always start things with the most serious of intentions. I sometimes find humour in things that aren't funny and vice versa."
So Mars Attacks, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Beetlejuice weren't intended as comedies, Tim? Got it. :))
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The new KLS book is getting ready to ship to everyone who has ordered it.
I would love that to be true, but where did you hear it because Amazon is still listing the released date as March 27 and saying I probably won't receive it until April 2nd.
Maybe it's only the people who ordered directly through PomPress who will get it early?
So if anyone here gets it soon, I hope they will tell us about new pictures or information it may offer. [snow_wink]
I was extremely skeptical about the book when we first heard about it. But when the DS News blog reported that Ben Martin found "a treasure trove of new photographs" that PomPress didn't have when they did their previous books, so "it's nearly all new photographs," that sold me. Well, that and that supposedly the '04 pilot will get a significant bit of coverage in the book.
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FYI I just received a Paypal email indicating that the book was shipped today.
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FYI I just received a Paypal email indicating that the book was shipped today.
But who did you order it from? Pompress or Amazon? [snow_smiley]
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Sorry. From KLS personal website. Pomegranate Press
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Yes, I was getting the news directly from the KLS site. She just received the lot she is signing and sending them out.
Incidently, Frankenweenie look fantastic. Wish that other Tim Burton movie had a studio like Disney to promote it.
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OK - it makes sense that PomPress would release it early. Though I'm not really upset because by ordering through Amazon I got the book a lot cheaper and with free shipping. So with saving over $10 I don't mind at all waiting a few extra weeks to actually get it. [snow_wink]
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Wish that other Tim Burton movie had a studio like Disney to promote it.
Well, it's not really the length of the promotion that gets people into the theaters - it's the quality. [snow_smiley] We shall see...eventually... [snow_wink]
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True, but there has to be a promotion before we can judge it based on its quality. [snow_laugh]
I hope they target the Internet crowd with viral stuff. It's cheap and effective if done right. Of course, TV is essential as well. Let's hope that DarkShadowstheMovie.com gets launched soon...
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New photos. http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165963-johnny-depp-as-barnabas-collins-and-other-character-photos-from-dark-shadows
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Oh wow - I love them!
And if you click on the credited link, you'll learn that the photos come from pages 156 and 157 of the current issue of Vanity Fair:
Collinwood Manor (http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2012/03/collinwood_mano.php)
Well, I know what magazine I'll be going out to buy next. [snow_wink]
Thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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If you check out the following link to the table of contents of the April issue, you'll see that the DS article is entitled "The Young and the Lifeless."
Inside the April 2012 Issue (http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/toc/contents-201204)
It also seems as if the photos may have been taken specifically for the issue.
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Thanks MB. "The Young and the Lifeless". That is a great title. I wish WB would just let it all out (trailer!)instead of slowly releasing these photos. Are they trying to intentionally torture us (jk) or is this its part of its promotional campaign. The studio does need to step it up but I am glad they released these photos. I need to buy this issue as well.
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Damnit! I looked right at the cover of that issue on Monday in the grocery store. Now I have to immediately run out and get it!
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I just ran out and bought the magazine. The photos aren't actually in it! There is however I nice 2 page ad for Prada featuring Michael Pitt for any other Boardwalk Empire fans put there.
Oh damn,. I just realized it was the April and not the March issue. Maybe they're in the UK March issue? Should have double checked that :P
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I have to say I absolutely love what I am seeing here.
This is my favorite picture of Barnabas. He looks so much like a Barnabas/Nosferatu/Barlow hybrid that he is bleeding with classic vampire goodness. How refreshing! And the fact that he is wearing that medallion is quite a nice homage to the original series, as the portrait of Barnabas has a medallion quite similar in size and shape - even though we never saw it! It looks like he is wearing modern clothes, though, so maybe they mixed costume elements from the past and present in this shoot.
Michelle Pfeiffer looks so much like Joan Bennett in this photo. I don't know what it is, but she definitely has "the look"!
The only one I am not sure about is Eva Green. What is she wearing? Does it look period appropriate to the rest of you? It's hard to tell without seeing the rest of it, but it doesn't scream '70s to me, like the rest of the clothes. But, I think she looks terrific as Angelique.
Thanks so much for sharing!
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I really don't care for the look given Julia here. Wrong hair and wrong frock. Helena's look implies that the good doctor has been raiding her own sedative cabinet, too.
Overall I found these photos disappointing. A symptom of my growing personal disenchantment with this project, or simply poor choices on the part of the photographer? I have liked the other stills we have been allowed to see before these.
G.
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i actually find julia's look intriguing and fun.
again the one look that's bugging me is angelique. it's too "2012". nothing about it says 1972.
in this picture in particular...the gown, the earrings, the hair...she looks like a starlet on her way to the emmy awards. i wonder what her 1772 "look" will be like.
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I completely agree, michael c. I am very interested in seeing more images of Angelique, because this outfit just doesn't give the right vibe. I'd like some Angelique Rumson or PT Angelique action in the new movie...
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I have no idea if her hair and jewelry are period appropriate, but the photo of Angelique is the one I immediately liked the most when I first saw them. It's quite nice to see her not wearing a suit and looking glamorous. And original series Ang often looked quite glamorous during the Leviathans period, so perhaps on occasion the film could be going for more of that sort of vibe. Or perhaps not. As I said, the photos may have been taken specifically for Vanity Fair, so they may not be an exact reflection of what the characters look like in the film. Though we shall see...
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I love all the pictures. I have to say that the Angelique one is lacking as well. However, I feel we may be getting a more "FROM TYCOON TO LACKY OH HOW THE MIGHTY ARE FALLEN" Angelique in this film. Since we can't see all of the dress I will reserve judgment for later...I love Julia's look and Michelle looks regal! :)
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Having these pictures in Vanity Fair is a very smart move. They will be seen by people who have never heard of Horror Hound.
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what i'm wondering (again) is where is heathcote in all of this...
the three ladies pictured alongside depp seem to be being promoted as the film's "stars". i get it.
still victoria/josette is the "heroine" of the story. they don't seem to be promoting her in the same way. [snow_huh]
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Re: the HorrorHound interview. This is what the author had to say when he interviewed TB and if TB was aware of the fans reaction to what had been released by the studio.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/thread/195523582?d=195582575&p=1#195582575
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I'm not surprised that Burton isn't really aware of what's happening online because he's said in the past that he doesn't pay attention to it. HBC has said that she tried for the longest time to get him on Twitter - though when he finally did create an account, it wasn't long before he deleted it without ever really using it.
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I just wanted to give the article a bit more context. I think by now TB has heard about the fans reactions and from the studio.
There is a new interview by KLS about the movie and her book. It's a longer interview than the other ones we have seen. http://johnnydeppreads.com/index.php?s=4c4e3fe7ebfb6462b14711e322602374&showtopic=10789&st=0&#entry8414702
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Oh damn,. I just realized it was the April and not the March issue.
The reason some people have seen the April issue is because Vanity Fair comes out in NYC and LA a few days before it comes out in the rest of the country. I don't think it will hit newsstands elsewhere until this coming Tuesday.
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I just wanted to give the article a bit more context.
Oh, I know that - and thanks for sharing the link. [snow_smiley]
I think by now TB has heard about the fans reactions
Quite possibly. Though the point I was trying to make was that he probably doesn't care what's being said online. He's said as much more than once. Though I don't think he means that in any sort of a harsh way. So many untruths are said and so much foolishness happens online that it's often very easy to understand why many celebrities just consider everything that happens online as something they don't want to know anything about it.
As for the KLS interview, well, what can you say when once again she injects herself into the DS film's development process and she talks about Josette as if she was never mentioned on the original show until the day she stepped out of the portrait (speaking of which they had no idea back then that Josette had jumped while trying to escape a vampire because they hadn't even dreamed up the idea of incorporating a vampire into the show yet). But at least she didn't repeat the hangers story again. We can at least be thankful for small favors. [snow_cheesy]
But that being said, thanks, jimbo, for posting the link. [snow_smiley]
And another very important point: if anyone wants to post about what's learned in Return to Collinwood regarding the original stars' cameos, please do so in the "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers" topic.
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Found this scan of the new Julia photo (which shows much more of her dress than the previous scans) via the JOHNNYDEPPZONE Web site:
http://fastpic.ru/view/29/2012/0302/079546f108f20b133fb65ff5bfeff8fb.jpg.html
And considering the other photos on the page, I have no idea what type of Russian Web site it is. But then, all we care about is the HBC photo. [snow_wink]
And considering that the Julia photo shows more than we were led to believe at first, chances are so do the Liz and Angelique photos. Though I have yet to come across scans of those...
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Definitely not something off the rack at Ohrbach's! [snow_rolleyes] [snow_silly]
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Just saw that the DS News blog is reporting that Empire Magazine is predicting that the DS will pull in $60 million for its opening weekend in the US:
Empire Predicts Dark Shadows Movie Box Office (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/empire-predicts-dark-shadows-movie-box.html)
I would love that, but I don't know. Given the current state of the US box office this year where no film has yet even reached $30 million in its opening weekend, $60 million seems like an overly optimistic prediction. Honestly, based on what's currently going on, I'd be thrilled with a $20 million US opening. But like so many things with the DS film, we shall see...
One thing in the article that could be on target, though, is the prediction that DS will have a worldwide gross of $310 million. But again, we shall see...
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I saw the Vanity Fair issue last night at Costco, and I was going to buy it, but before putting it into my shopping cart I looked up the article. There's hardly anything there at all. If you've seen the pictures here on the web, you've pretty much got the whole article. There's just some fluff text that doesn't really say anything.
Now, the Fangoria article is another story! (Although I was quite shocked at how much the price has jumped (no--LEAPED) since I last bought an issue, I'm still glad I bought it because there will be other articles I'll enjoy reading.) Anyway, the interview with Seth is so very, very, very reassuring. It really does confirm (to me, at least) that the recent test trailer was truly a test--Dark Shadows is something so unique, so unusual, that marketing it is going to be a real challenge for Warner Bros. But it sounds like Depp and Burton really do want to create something that fits the basic concept of "Dark Shadows".
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Now, the Fangoria article is another story! ... the interview with Seth is so very, very, very reassuring ... it sounds like Depp and Burton really do want to create something that fits the basic concept of "Dark Shadows".
That's definitely what I came away with, too. [snow_smiley] I particularly liked how Grahame-Smith said it was important to really understand the central themes that persisted throughout the series.
I was quite shocked at how much the price has jumped (no--LEAPED) since I last bought an issue
I can't say I was as surprised by the price - though I have no idea when the last time was that you bought an issue. [snow_wink] But the last time I bought one was issue #239 back in January of '05 when they had an article about the '04 pilot - and back then the prices was already $7.99 - and that was 7 years ago.
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OK, now I'm actually liking the latest Helena/Julia ensemble/hair. The clipped version made me think she was wearing a French peasant blouse. This is a very new look for Julia, and I wonder what Grayson would have thought of the hint of cleavage. But, it works.
Thanks for posting that link. I walked right by the new issue of Vanity just a few minutes ago but didn't bother to look at the actual "article" as I presumed it was just the photos and that they were as seen in the scans.
G.
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As for the Fangoria article, which I haven't read, I'm afraid I am at the point now where I take anything said by Seth Graham-whatever with one mighty handful of salt. It's nice to know that he tells of his opinions. It could ALL be spin and after all, spin is a creative writer's stock in trade.
I agree with michael that it seems strange that Bella Heathcote hasn't been featured at all in the pub stills that have been released. But then, what has been handed out to date has been a tiny thimbleful compared to what one would normally have seen at this point in the pub campaign for a project of this cachet.
As dear Grayson was wont to say--who can figure anything.
G.
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Reading KLS interview, I had a problem with this reply to a question:
And I was hoping that we would have cameos in the film. Normally that doesn’t happen. “Star Trek” is an example where it DID work. But in most of them [remakes] it’s doesn’t. Nobody wants to acknowledge the original cast, they just don’t.
I don't think that rings true at all. Most of the time with remakes they try to throw a cameo in there of the original cast. It's an easy bone to throw to the original fans and might put more butts in the theater. Of course all the examples I can think of are horror movies, so.... maybe other genres don't?
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Buddy Ebsen did a bit in the Beverly Hillbillies movie. Ray Walston turned up in My Favorite Martian. Most of the original Bradys turned up in the Brady Bunch movie, though not all of them were in the final cut. But Barbara Feldon turned down a cameo in Get Smart. While June Lockhart, Angela Cartwright, Mark Goddard and Marrta Kristen made appearances in Lost in Space, Jonathan Harris refused to appear. So it may depend on the project and what they're asked to do.
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I don't think that rings true at all. Most of the time with remakes they try to throw a cameo in there of the original cast.
I thought that comment was off as well, so you're not alone.
What I really hope is that she doesn't write about Josette in the same manner as she speaks about her in the interview. Though it wouldn't surprise me if she does because, given the PomPress track record, I have no faith whatsoever that the new book will be completely error free. And that's sad. [snow_sad]
I'm afraid I am at the point now where I take anything said by Seth Graham-whatever with one mighty handful of salt. It's nice to know that he tells of his opinions. It could ALL be spin
Though it could also all be sincere. We shall discover which before too long. [snow_wink]
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But the last time I bought one was issue #239 back in January of '05 when they had an article about the '04 pilot - and back then the prices was already $7.99 - and that was 7 years ago.
I am feeling so old... [snow_strange]
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there was a moment in the early 1970's when a nostalgia for the 1930's and 1940's took over fashion.
in some ways it was a reaction against the "space age" and "futuristic" mod styles of the 1960's. it was a look started in part by poor downtown girls who literally picked up vintage frocks at thrift stores because they were cheap. it was also a favorite of impoverished drag queens at the time. check out andy warhol's "transvestite trinity" jackie curtis, holly woodlawn and candy darling to see the look. in fact the shot of HBC, with her frizzy red hair, is very much channeling curtis.
as generally happens with "street style" it eventually percolated up to the haute couture runways of designers like yves saint laurent. again look at his work from the period.
this feeling is what atwood appears to be going for here with julia. i didn't see it in the earlier picture. it's quite fabulous.
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Because everyone has an opinion...
http://gordonandthewhale.com/over-the-top-johnny-depp-returns-in-this-new-photo-from-dark-shadows/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=over-the-top-johnny-depp-returns-in-this-new-photo-from-dark-shadows
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So is the guy who wrote this Gordon or the whale?
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pretty weak as far as snark goes.
i've read MUCH more venomous commentary.
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I just thought it was weird he thought DS was British...
Anyway, something official from Warner Bros.
This is the official site of Dark Shadows (Spain)...
http://www.sombrastenebrosas-es.com
I don't know if it works in Spain, but it doesn't work here. Warner Bros. (Spain) also Tweeted this Facebook page, so I'm guessing it's official...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sombras-Tenebrosas-Dark-Shadows/168432056606809?sk=wall
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Interesting that Spain has both yet we have neither. Though perhaps it's a sign that we will soon.
We can dream, anyway. [snow_wink]
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Empire Predicts Dark Shadows Movie Box Office (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/empire-predicts-dark-shadows-movie-box.html)
The Empire article's predictions are pretty interesting, but even more so are Manning's comments. In the last couple paragraphs, the way he sums up the problem of the 2012 Dark Shadows film is perfect.
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As per usual I'm behind in checking my e-mail so I didn't discover until this morning that horrorhound.com sent me an e-mail on Thursday afternoon to say that my copy of issue #34 has already shipped (I ordered it through them because I knew I wasn't going to have a chance in the next few weeks to go to the only store I know where they sell it). My mail already came today and no magazine, but I'm sure it will arrive next week, which should also mean it will probably be in stores next week.
On the other hand, and contrary to what KLS predicted in her latest interview, there hasn't been a peep out of Amazon about shipping Return to Collinwood early. At least not yet...
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The latest MTV column:
'Dark Shadows' Photos Reveal Faithful Fashion
Vanity Fair character portraits prove Tim Burton is sticking with the aesthetic of the '60s series. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1680354/dark-shadows-character-portraits.jhtml)
And this column jokes that a possible reason there's no DS trailer is because they want to rename the film:
Your X-Rated Weekend at the Movies (http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2012/03/02/your-x-rated-weekend-at-the-movies)
(Scroll down to the "Being Flynn:" section near the bottom.)
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That's a novel idea. But I think the only possible renaming we will see will be the addition of an auxiliary title, such as:
Dark Shadows: Curses of the Past
That would help set up a franchise, but it is not necessary in the least.
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over on FB KLS cannot stop stirring the pot.
she KEEPS putting up the new vanity fair image of depp and asking for "thoughts".
needless to say the responses are resoundingly, overpoweringly negative. what i have found most disturbing, heartbreaking even, about this film is how much "fans" want NOT to like it. HATE it in fact. it's taken on a life of it's own. it's an unstoppable lynch mob. it's scary and gross.
EVERYTHING is subjected to the same relentless nitpicking. first it was the pallor. then it was fingernails. for a few days it was sunglasses. now it's these new images.
what the hell do these people want? a line for line rehash of the original?
i'm baffled beyond words. [snow_sad]
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slight update...
miss scott herself became so disgusted with responses she got she vowed NEVER to ask for opinions on the film again.
nice going "fans". [snow_sick2]
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the responses are resoundingly, overpoweringly negative. what i have found most disturbing, heartbreaking even, about this film is how much "fans" want NOT to like it. HATE it in fact. it's taken on a life of it's own. it's an unstoppable lynch mob. it's scary and gross.
EVERYTHING is subjected to the same relentless nitpicking. first it was the pallor. then it was fingernails. for a few days it was sunglasses. now it's these new images.
Quite sadly though, as I've said before, this isn't a new phenomenon in fandom. We saw it to practically the same degree with the '91 Series and to a lesser degree with the '04 pilot. And probably the only reasons that it was to a lesser degree with the pilot was because with the pilot it was announced in late December '03 and by mid-May '04 we knew it wasn't going forward. But with the '91 Series it was announced in January '90 and didn't debut until January '91, so there was a full year of seemingly endless and often outrageously irrational complaints as actors were cast and photos trickled out. And though there were complimentary remarks being made as well, they were quite often drowned out by the complaints and the criticisms of the people who found things to compliment.
what the hell do these people want? a line for line rehash of the original?
It's funny that you ask that because it's quite often the people who profess that they don't want to see a complete rehash who then complain the loudest about the least little things that get changed. There's really no possible way to win with them. [snow_sad]
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slight update...
miss scott herself became so disgusted with responses she got she vowed NEVER to ask for opinions on the film again.
Well, in a way that's good to hear. [snow_smiley] Though it's also more than a bit sad that the situation got so out of hand that she felt forced to make that type of decision...
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on the other note there are several people on FB who already have copies of KLS's new book in their hands.
not sure where they ordered it.
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and scans from the book are going up...
and KLS is asking that they be taken down. [snow_wow]
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slight update...
miss scott herself became so disgusted with responses she got she vowed NEVER to ask for opinions on the film again.
nice going "fans". [snow_sick2]
I wonder if they were as bad as this...
http://ontheflix.com/2012/03/03/johnny-depp-spotted-as-super-awkward-looking-vampire-in-new-dark-shadows-movie-pic/
Because that is by far one of the weirdest descriptions of the look yet and it's the newest featured article on the IMDB DS page. Has this person never seen Nosferatu... After thinking about the content of her post, I retract that question. [snow_ghost]
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WOW:
http://graceawaits.tumblr.com/post/18689723289/and-more-new-pics
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Well... at least we now have (pretty decent) confirmation that those test trailers were legitimate. Disco ball, anyone?
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those are the picture that went up on FB.
one can assume that they are from the party sequence. which i guess is no longer a "costume party" but some sort of formal event. in that getup lara parker is really channelling mrs.schyler rumson.
and jonny lee miller is SERIOUSLY channelling louis edmonds.
are these from the new KLS book?
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the cooper cameo is one thing that i've long objected to.
it's too literal and campy.
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Whoa! *jaw drops*
I really wasn't prepared for JLM's neon-blond wiglet.
Maybe the party is for Carolyn's birthday this time around?
And once again, who fails to show up? Bella Heathcote! Is *her* role to be a cameo?
G.
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BarnaDepp for some reason keeps making me think of Theda Bara, as drawn by Charles Addams, with manicure by the same person who did Streisand's nails in the Sixties.
Very curious now to hear what he *sounds* like in the role.
G.
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Very curious now to hear what he *sounds* like in the role.
I hear it's a very sultry Angela Lansbury. J/K [snow_smileydevil] I dunno... We shall see. Hopefully he will have a very deep, poetic tone.
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Thankyou for the link to see the pictures. I like them. I am really hoping that this movie will be enjoyable. We have to give it a chance. Hopefully, there will be a trailer soon. Its less than 10 weeks now till it opens.
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on the other note there are several people on FB who already have copies of KLS's new book in their hands.
not sure where they ordered it.
If you order from Pom Press (http://pompress.com/?page_id=479) by midnight Monday (so Tuesday morning) KLS will send you a signed copy and a signed photo. She got her copies early and has already started shipping them out.
Granted I've already got her signature 3 times, including once where I didn't want it, I just wanted the 8x10, but she signed it anyway and then looked at me like I was crazy when I told her not to sign the other one. Some people just collect the pictures! [snow_grin]
The new pics look cool and the fashions are OH SO DATED that it makes me both cringe and rejoice at the same time. Wow.
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thanks arashi,
she's doing a book signing in new york on april 2nd. i'll probably pick it up then.
incidentally she must have gotten to the person who was putting all the pictures up on FB because they've all been taken down.
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Though the scans are still up on tumblr. I suppose the reason KLS asked that they be taken down didn't actually get through to the person and that person figures KLS isn't likely to find them there. [snow_rolleyes] Or the person is being defiant regarless of what KLS would want...
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mysterious,
in regards to the 1991 series...it was before the internet(or at least it was in it's infancy)and way before sites like FB...
so where/how were opinions/comments about it made available?
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Back in the pre-Internet Dark Ages of fandom fans shared their comments in such fanzines as World of DS and Inside The Old House. Mostly ITOH because Dale Clark did extra issues because he received a lot of official photos and so many letters.
Check out this topic in which I shared examples of some of the stuff that was written:First up, some random quotes that might have some of us scratching our heads once we realize that all of them were indeed made without having seen so much as a 10 second clip from the pilot
Believe it or not though, back in '90 the old online service Prodigy already had a thriving DS community moderated by Melody Clark (who once worked on ShadowGram with Marcy Robin and who also co-wrote the DS Companion) and Sam Hall and DC's assistant Debbi Smith often interacted there with the fans with regard to the '91 Series.
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Well, now it's looking like KLS has her work cut out for her trying to keep those three photos off of the Internet because now Web sites like comicbookmovie.com are starting to pick them up:
First Look at Original DARK SHADOWS Cast & Alice Cooper with Johnny Depp (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=55725)
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yes the original poster, whom kathryn personally asked, has taken them down...
but many others have put them up on FB. they're in the public domain now. there's no turning back.
really she should have expected that. [snow_undecided]
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Well, there was a time when DS fans wouldn't have ever thought of uploading scans of photos from a new PomPress book because they respected copyright. But, in general, disrespect of copyright has become epidemic on the Internet since the last time KLS published a DS book, so I suppose she shouldn't be surprised - though I don't know if she should have expected it. Perhaps she actually thought that DS fans respected her too much to do it. But apparently that's not the case. And apparently they don't care that they could be losing her book sales because, if those three photos are the only photos in the book connected to the new film, people who are only interested in photos connected to the film or in photos of Depp could actually decide not to buy the book when the scans are readily available online. And somehow I suspect that KLS believes those photos are a selling point of the book, so something tells me she's not exactly happy that they're transversing the Internet.
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I'd really like to hear from someone, preferably a seasoned fan from these boards, as to whether the new book really does have some rare, good quality photos we haven't seen before. I'd still like to browse the book before I spend good money on it.
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There will be piles of rare photos you've never seen before.
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in terms of the new film it's the same three or four photos that are making the rounds.
so if that is all she has to offer in the book she might hit a snag. although there is of course the text.
to give people the benefit of the doubt i bet many people posted the pictures with innocent intentions. i don't think copyright law is the first thing that pops to mind when people post things on FB. perhaps it should be but it's not.
after all the 'vanity fair' and other earlier shots have gone up without incident.
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to give people the benefit of the doubt i bet many people posted the pictures with innocent intentions. i don't think copyright law is the first thing that pops to mind when people post things on FB. perhaps it should be but it's not.
Probably true. Though that's hardly a valid excuse. It certainly wouldn't be if someone chose to go after those people the way others have been gone after. Just because the Stop Online Piracy Act is dead there are still laws like the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and that could and has been used to get people's Facebook memberships revoked.
after all the 'vanity fair' and other earlier shots have gone up without incident.
Yeah - but with Vanity Fair they know there's much more to their April issue than the four DS film photos, and regular buyers of the magazine won't even be thinking of such things when they go into a store to buy a copy. (Plus from what I'm gathering, the three photos of the woman show more in the actual issue than the scans online do (and the only one we seem to have seen so far is the Julia photo).)
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Thanks Darren! I'm much more interested in good photos of folk such as Thayer David, Grayson Hall, and Clarice Blackburn than I am in production stills from the new movie. After all, from what I understand, there will be an entire book devoted to the Burton-Depp movie's production history, and I'm sure that the illos will be lavish.
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I don't know about KLS book but I do understand some recent photo finds have been uncovered.
I'd really like to hear from someone, preferably a seasoned fan from these boards, as to whether the new book really does have some rare, good quality photos we haven't seen before. I'd still like to browse the book before I spend good money on it.
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This is an article everyone should read:
http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2012/03/04/warner-bros-hides-tim-burtons-dark-shadows/
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I couldn't agree more with much of what that article says. In fact, sometimes when the marketing of a film already gets oversaturated 6 or more months before it opens, it gets to the point as the opening comes near that you don't even want to see the film because you're so sick of hearing about it. There was a lot to be said of the old way of marketing films where trailers and TV ads never appeared until a few weeks before a film opened in your area. It built up anticipation exactly when it was necessary - and when the opening came you were still really excited to see a film. And though I'd definitely like to see a trailer before March 30th, who knows, maybe Warner Brothers does plan to wait until Wrath of the Titans to release one. I suppose we'll see...
Thanks for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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Of course, MB. It was too good not to share!
Well, there was a time when DS fans wouldn't have ever thought of uploading scans of photos from a new PomPress book because they respected copyright... so something tells me she's not exactly happy that they're transversing the Internet.
And they are! I cannot believe how many sites have picked them up and are running them. I have seen efforts by some of our friends at this Forum to inform these sites that this material was taken without permission, but I don't think it will do much good... Not until KLS orders a cease and desist to the offending websites. And, by that time, such an effort would be in vain since most people who want to see them will have seen them.
I think this event will prove to be a real turn-off for KLS. I can't imagine releasing a book and then having a huge chunk of its selling factor obliterated.
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Love the article thanks so much!!!
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Here's a nice little article that puts a positive spin on the studio's promotional strategy:
[see Reply #2445 for the link --admin]
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Yikes, didn't realize those new photos were from KLS' book and that she didn't want them posted. Not knowing this, I already "shared" one of the pics on Facebook (they are all over the place now). I will take it down asap.
Speaking of those pics, is it my imagination or does David Selby have sideburns? If so, that is fantastic! :)
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Penny, I think that has become the case all over the Internet. So, I am sure it's nothing to worry about. But, it's good to know that there are folks out there who are doing the right thing when they find out!
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I really doubt that KLS will lose a "huge chunk" of sales because of those scans being posted on the Web/s. If anything, I would think the scans will make more people aware of and curious about the book than would ever have heard of it otherwise.
In this day and age, having content on the Web doesn't keep consumers from buying your product. She should view it as part of getting the book promoted. Lots of people browse books in bookshops without ever going to the cash register and making a purchase. Having a couple of images available online is really no different than having copies of the book out on a table for customers to examine. OK, so in an extreme case an individual may print that photo out and put it in their personal scrapbook (or more likely add it to an online file of DS memorabilia), but I bet that the person who would do that would also want a copy of the physical book for their collection. Particularly if they're a DS fan in the first place, as we're being told there are so many new photos from the golden days published in this volume.
Just my take on it. Of course I do feel sorry for her anguish, but I think in some ways she is out of touch with how the Internet works vis-a-vis commerce.
G.
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interesting point...
there is something tactile about a book that no online image can effectively reproduce. the book itself has value to a collector. to say nothing of trying to reproduce the text online.
DS fans like to have the "stuff". the books and cds and comics. they're collectible in their own right. and we are a rather undeserved fanbase in terms of product. mpi certainly hasn't improved those circumstances(unless they're still trying to hawk the 1997 christmas ornament or those stupid plates).
i've seen the pictures and i'll probably buy the book anyways.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I really doubt that KLS will lose a "huge chunk" of sales because of those scans being posted on the Web/s.
While she may not lose a "huge chunk of sales", she is going to lose a huge chunk of initial interest from fans of the new film who would buy this for the "behind the scenes" photographs. With this book, KLS had the opportunity to go beyond the "DS fan" and enter new territory - buyers who are fans of Depp, Burton and the new film. Those people may be interested in the history and the accounts of the new film, but many of them would seem to want it just to get their hands on those pictures. (Some of the posters at IMDB are proof of this.)
In the pre-copyright-free-for-all days, books like this would sell because someone would say that there are "cool" behind the scenes photos, and then people would order the book to see those pictures. I know that I was going to place an order for the book on Monday. But now, having seen the pictures - quite inadvertently actually, I am going to put it off. My initial interest was lost when I saw these pictures posted, not once, but a dozen times over. I can read the accounts later. I can see the newly discovered original series photos later. There's nothing pressing about either. What would have made me buy this book right away was the fact that there were behind the scenes photos from the new film, images I would like to have seen as soon as possible. I have now seen those photos. And while I'd much rather see them in the printed book, the whole surprise element is over.
In this type of industry, every purchase makes a difference - especially the early ones. And there are going to be a lot of people who were only interested in her book so they could catch a glimpse of those behind the scenes photos. Like I said, I still want the book, but having seen these photos in dozens of articles has killed a lot of my initial interest - and that is the sad reality of the Internet age.
What's worse is that a great many of the articles don't even mention that these images are from her book. So that is definitely not helping KLS in anyway.
But I am digressing. Imagine if they charged for a sneak preview of the DS trailer. I'd probably pay a buck to see it before the general public... But I don't want to give them any ideas. [snow_wink]
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It's pretty much a given that fans like us are most likely going to buy the book. And I seriously doubt KLS is worried about any of us seeing the three film-related photos online and because of that deciding not to eventually buy the book, especially when she knows that we're also interested in the other types of photos in the book. What I suspect is her fear is what I mentioned earlier: the Depp fan or the person who might only be interested in the film-related photos who will gratefully get copies of the photos online and say to themselves that finding them online saved them $25 that they might have otherwise paid had they first come across them while browsing the book in a bookstore. She fears she may be losing some of those spur of the moment/impulse sales from the non-DS public. Otherwise I don't see why she would have requested the photos be taken down from that DS group on Facebook - and particularly why some of the Web sites now featuring the photos are finding themselves being notified that the photos were put online without PomPress' permission. Though whether the latter will result in even one of the sites taking the photos down is probably doubtful. Well, unless the situations progress beyond the mere notification phase. And who knows if PomPress wants to go that route or simply suck it up and accept some lost sales?
And as to the matter of KLS and PomPress possibly seeing the appearance of the photos on various Web sites as some sort of promotional tool, I suspect that's not the case in any way because, as Cousin_Barnabas pointed out, most of the sites aren't even aware that they're from her book, much less pointing that out. In fact, several of the sites I've come across are under the mistaken impression that, as was the case with all the previous photos that have shown up online, the three latest photos were released online directly by Warner Brothers to promote the film.
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Wow. Those sites aren't crediting that the scans came from KLS' book?
People really are beyond me...
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No. A lot have just picked them up and are just posting them with a synopsis or mentions of the previous photos.
In fact the most egregious entry says...
The first few come from scans of Empire magazine, the others from… they’re not telling. Looks like some kind of commemorative booklet or similar.
And this site include the full images of the Vanity Fair photos to boot, though it says they are from Empire! Nothing will stop some people, not even a lack of cited sources.
But on the note of the Vanity Fair pictures, I have to say I am a little wowed with Angelique's outfit. For those who have seen the full photo, I'm sure you know what I mean... That is risqué no matter what decade she's in... Is that actually something from the '70s?
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Seeing this from the Depp fan side of things, I personally do not feel that KLS would be losing any sales from them/us. Truth be told, I don't think most Depp fans even know about the book. I certainly don't see it being posted about or discussed very much. But if they *do* learn about the book, I'll bet as Gothick would that more fans would want to get the book to have a copy of those photos than would otherwise buy the book. Many Depp fans, especially those of us of a certain age, like to collect books and magazines that have cool Depp content. (True, some younger fans may not be as willing to buy what they can get for free, as they are more apt to have the internet mindset, but even there, there tends to be a huge temptation to own things like this).
The problem, of course, is the lack of giving proper credit to KLS or the book. From what I have seen, folks are just enjoying the photos without knowing or caring where they are from. I made mention of the book when I posted on the Depp forum that I belong to, but I didn't see it being discussed on the Johnny Depp Zone, for instance. That's a shame, because they would potentially be a new group of buyers, if they knew about the book. Perhaps someone will come up with that information in the future, and some will decide to purchase the book.
There will always be folks like Cousin Barnabas, who after seeing the photos, may decide to hold off in making a purchase. But I think that there are other fans, who will see the photos as a selling point. I must confess that I myself, while I was planning to purchase the book, had not really gotten around to doing so, and I wasn't really paying attention to when it'd be released. But after the photos I placed my order (albeit with Amazon, where I will get it later but cheaper [snow_grin] ) In fact, there are book publishers that will allow a preview to be viewed on Amazon, because sometimes seeing a preview may *help* sales. At worst, as Gothick says, it's really no different than being in a book store or a library. But again, the proper credit is key, and I wish that could be rectified.
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In fact, as I think about it, maybe what KLS should've done would be to publicize the book by voluntarily showing a very small low resolution photo, perhaps with a Pomegranate Press watermark, of one or more of those photos, on one of those comic book sites, or even Entertainment Weekly. This would really get the info out there that her book would contain images from the new movie, and at the same time she would have a platform to announce that there were newly found photos from the OS as well. In other words, get the word out there to the more mainstream audience who might not know about the book because they aren't visiting DS boards. And if folks only had a tiny photo to look at, they could decide whether they'd want to get the book to be able to look at the "real thing." Just my $.02.
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My copy of HorrorHound #34 came just a short while ago. Needless to say, I haven't had the chance to read it yet - and I won't get that chance until later today. But just to furnish the barest of details, the DS film is covered in 3 pages, the DS retrospective takes 8 pages, and an article on DC fills 2 pages, so there's a lot of DS. Unfortunately, while I was flipping through, I did notice one error in the DS retrospective. But then, sadly, when was the last time there was a DS article that didn't contain errors. Ultimately, the fact that no one seems to ever be able to get everything right is just a fact that we have to live with...
But anyway, I'll give an overall impression of the coverage later on. And if there's anything that stands out as really interesting, I'll certainly post about it later, too. [snow_smiley]
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In fact, as I think about it, maybe what KLS should've done would be to publicize the book by voluntarily showing a very small low resolution photo, perhaps with a Pomegranate Press watermark, of one or more of those photos, on one of those comic book sites, or even Entertainment Weekly. This would really get the info out there that her book would contain images from the new movie, and at the same time she would have a platform to announce that there were newly found photos from the OS as well. In other words, get the word out there to the more mainstream audience who might not know about the book because they aren't visiting DS boards. And if folks only had a tiny photo to look at, they could decide whether they'd want to get the book to be able to look at the "real thing." Just my $.02.
I agree, madscntst. But unfortunately that's not what KLS thought to do, and now she finds herself in the situation that she does, particularly with at least a handful of Web sites believing the photos originated from Warner Brothers rather than her book. But then, with so few sites crediting the book, I suppose it's a logical assumption for them to have made. Though somehow I suspect that doesn't lessen whatever smarting she might feel due to their mistaken impression...
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[snow_pirate]
This is an article everyone should read:
Very interesting article. While we have seen a bit more promotional material, there is still very little indication of what kind of movie this is going to be. There's always danger in overpublicizing a film--Snakes on a Plane--is a good example. I would have liked to have seen the logo, accompanied by the iconic theme, with a tag line like "Dark Shadows--you only think you know it."
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New pics:
http://www.collinsporthistoricalsociety.com/2012/03/new-photos-from-dark-shadows-film.html
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OH MY!! Thanks so much for the link, Phil! [snow_smiley]
I've been dying for a glimpse of the foyer ever since we first read about it months and months ago - and at last it's come. And the shot of Barnabas and Willie plus the one of Liz are fantastic as well!
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Awesome!! I love the look of the house, and it's great to finally see a still of Willie! I'm hoping that the photos will surface at a faster pace from now on. Now, we just need the trailer [snow_tongue]
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The Barnabas and Willie shot are the first shot since the Entertainment Weekly group photo that gives you a sense of the "world". And the color palette looking so different from the shot of the foyer/staircase - maybe there's an Old House after all?
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Thanks Phil for the wonderful find.
I do hope there is an Old House and that the family is unaware of Barnabas' secret. It seems so far that BC is out in the open with his curse.
Even GK Films linked an article on FB to Dreadcentral which contains KLS uncredited material.
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I do hope ... that the family is unaware of Barnabas' secret. It seems so far that BC is out in the open with his curse.
I strongly doubt that Barnabas is "out" to the whole family in this film. The way that the people with most creative authority for this project (Johnny Depp, Tim Burton, Seth Grahame-Smith) have talked about it, they want to be as true as possible to the overall tone and characters of the original series. To have the whole family know Barnabas' secret would seem to end up making it very different. Perhaps it could work, but it would be a plot element straying very far from the original source.
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The Barnabas and Willie shot are the first shot since the Entertainment Weekly group photo that gives you a sense of the "world". And the color palette looking so different from the shot of the foyer/staircase - maybe there's an Old House after all?
Or maybe it could be an abandoned wing of the house? It was not uncommon for houses to be added onto over the years (for example, both of the houses used in House of Dark Shadows had been greatly expanded since their initial construction).
I think that shot of Barnabas and Willie is the most gorgeous image I've seen out of those released, and does seem to come closest to getting the dark gothic feel of DS.
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I've been dying for a glimpse of the foyer ever since we first read about it months and months ago - and at last it's come.
That foyer seems to me to get dangerously close to being over the top. But then again, it's not all that far off from some things you see in some of the Newport "cottages".
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By many of the Newport Mansions' standards, it's positively subdued. [snow_wink] There isn't a crystal chandelier, a slab of marble, or a piece of gilded gold in sight. Though it is dark and very Gothic in feel and architecture, which is what I love. I can't wait to see more of it - especially in the film.
Now, something that might be over the top is that entryway that Barnabas and Willie are standing in. From the sea shells, to the fish, to the god Poseidon/Neptune himself, replete with pitchfork - wow. Though don't get me wrong, I love it. And we have no idea what the location even is, so...
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You can tell from Barnabas' face it's the ancestral home; and the sets have been over the top in every pic since that group photo (check out the ceilings in that one). And I recall a quote from a production designer saying that all teh interior design has some sort of seaside or maritime theme (seahorse chandeliers, etc.).
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Yeah. Don't forget that some of the squiddlies, seahorses, cthuloids, etc. come to life periodically through the magic of CGI.
I was afraid that the Burton/Depp version of Collinwood was going to be a baroque nightmare of cluttered claustrophic horror-vacui, but so far I like most of what I'm seeing.
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I don't honestly think there's much that's over the top about the room in which the cast photo was taken (which I'm presuming may be the drawing room). It has a vaulted ceiling, which is typical in Gothic architecture. And like I said when we first saw the photo, I love the look of that room and can't wait to see more it. In fact, I can't wait to see more of Collinwood, period - both inside and out. [snow_wink]
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In fact, I can't wait to see more of Collinwood, period - both inside and out.
Yes, all we know about the exterior is the ground floor. (And we don't even know for sure if that's the entire expanse of the ground floor or not, nor is there any indication of how far back the house might extend.) I have a hunch it's going to include basic elements of both Seaview and Lyndhurst, since that's what the ground floor seems to have--it somewhat resembles the basic shape of Seaview as viewed from the southeast, but has the gothic style (and stone facade) of Lyndhurst.
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To WB give us more..... An Oscar Outlook for the movie. http://cinesnatch.blogspot.com/2012/03/oscar-outlook-2012-dark-shadows.html
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I really, really.....really don't like the foyer. The other two photos I like ok. I can get over most anything if the story is good. Did I say I don't like the foyer?
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I'm glad that we're getting more photos, but I want a trailer. Honestly, I would pay money to see the (probably) god awful Wrath of the Titans if that's the only way I could watch a trailer.
The photos we've seen recently are amazing, and are just further promoting a positive attitude regarding this film for me. I'm glad that the rooms feel homey while I'm looking at them because they are just familiar enough with gothic aspects that I can see the original actors acting out a scene in the rooms with our original characters. The foyer is massive and pretty overwhelming. I like it, but its a little dark for me. Though I suppose that's the point.
I'm just ready for the thing to come out already. I know I'm going to like it, no matter what the film ends up being. I'm a fan of Depp and Burton, especially when they're together, and I'm a fan of pretty much every known actor in the film as well. I'm sure upon first viewing I'm going to hate it because I won't be able to stop comparing every crack in the wall and blade of grass (HAHA) to the original series, so I'm sure I'll see it at least twice. Because at the second viewing I'll be able to become more objective about the film in it's own right without viewing it as an extension of the original series that I've come to know and love.
Though, I'm not sure I can brace myself for the voracity of negative and even hateful comments that are sure to come after the film is made available to the public, as if there haven't already been enough from just the snippets of information that everyone is fighting over.
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Just think, this will be the first "Collinwood" that we can't visit. I wonder, if there are more DS film to come will each "Collinwood" be different? In the Star Trek movies each enterprise is just a little bit different because they build a new set for each film. I guess each DS movie will have a different "Collinwood". I think that's a little sad.
Oh well, I WANT A TRAILER, NOW!
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I have plans to see it at least twice.
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really stunning images...
i'm always trying to remain optimistic about this project but a few of the photos released over the weekend were really not to my taste. alice cooper and a disco ball are NOT what i want from dark shadows.
these seem to be much more in line with what we've been hoping for. i love the foyer set and the space barnabas and willie are entering(the drawing room? another view of the foyer?)is quite impressive.
this whole process has been an exercise in 'one step forward, two steps back', but these new images are quite promising. if nothing else the sets and costuming look to be amazing.
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Another one:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=406102686073352&set=a.378082425542045.110195.378080145542273&type=3&theater
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I realy love the photo of Barnabas and Willie. That is the tone I hope for in the movie. The photo of the staircase (foyer?) looks very lavish, but it is real? It looks a little fake to me -- like CGI. Does anyone agree? Perhaps its just the way it is photographed, or perhaps the lighting. Still, something about it looks artificial.
I'm getting very excited about the film. I really really want to like it.
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For some reason, I get the feeling from the grand staircase shot that the house is submerged beneath the ocean... There's something about the coloring outside of the window.... ha!
Maybe it's all the fish stuff.
The new image I linked to of HBC has a GIANT SEAHORSE for goodness sake! No wonder I think the house is underwater!
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The photo of the staircase (foyer?) looks very lavish, but it is real? It looks a little fake to me -- like CGI. Does anyone agree?
You are not alone. That was my first thought exactly!
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I too noticed the coloring through the window. Is it supposed to be a view of the ocean? It looks like it could be a dark sky, the surf, and a darker ocean. If so, I bet we'll be able to see the waves move during the film. Could it be that Widow's Hill is directly beneath the window? Might Josette take her dive right out of the window? That window is SO prominant. I'm wondering if, somehow, it is important to the story. Just speculation on my part.
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But anyway, I'll give an overall impression of the coverage later on. And if there's anything that stands out as really interesting, I'll certainly post about it later, too.
Actually, the overall impression will have to wait because, while I've read the entire interview with Burton, I only got as far as the first three pages of the retrospective. That was about as far as I could get in one sitting because I found myself rolling my eyes at a few too many odd impressions the author seems to have taken away from the pre-Barnabas eps. And some of them particularly stood out to me because the Watching Project has been focusing on those eps lately. Though overall the article has so far been very loving towards the show, and that's probably what should really be taken away when reading it.
But so far as the Burton interview goes - and it's what's really on topic here in this topic - it's interesting. The DS News blog certainly hit the highlights, though it didn't go deeply into some of the points being made, and rightly so with the magazine just coming out on newsstands. But when people read the interview for themselves, it will definitely bring greater clarity to some of Burton's remarks that may have seemed to conflict with what others involved in the film have said. And that's about all I'm willing to say at this point because the article should really be read/digested in its entirety in order to grasp everything that Burton has to say. [snow_smiley]
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An Oscar Outlook for the movie.
Even from just the few stills we've seen so far, I wouldn't be at all surprised in DS gets a few nominations in some of those categories.
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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Another one:
Thanks for the link, Cousin Barnabas. [snow_smiley] And hopefully they'll keep the stills coming. After all, we don't seem to have any active sites in the US yet, so we'll take anything we can get from any other part of the world. [snow_wink]
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And that's about all I'm willing to say at this point because the article should really be read/digested in its entirety in order to grasp everything that Burton has to say. [snow_smiley]
And this is how the KLS pictures should have been presented to us, instead of all of these entertainment news sites picking up every single picture! Thank you for not spoiling it, MB. [snow_cheesy]
Anyway, I am kind of disappointed in my local BN, as I went today expecting to see the new issue, after reading you had received yours, only to find they are still stuck with all of their copies of January's issue! I hope they get it in by the end of the week, as I am anxious to read what the article has to say - Plus I really want that cover art!
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I received my copy of the movie book this afternoon, haven't had time to read it yet, just basically skimmed through it. There are a lot more pictures than those released by KLS, mostly of the original cast with the new cast.
[spoiler]
There is a picture of Jonathan Frid looking at photos of the various sets, there is no mention of the Old House, either in those photos or anywhere else in KLS' write up that I saw, but that's not to say it isn't there (and I think it would be sad if it wasn't.)
[/spoiler]
There is a lengthy section devoted to the 91 series, which was nice, though I can't recall if it was in the DS: Resurrected Book or not and don't have it here to look up. There was a pretty good size section devoted to the 04 pilot as well, considering it never aired. The TV show stuff and the HODS and NODS stuff seems to be a retread of what was published in other books, including KLS' HODS making of diary published in the other book, that was a bit disappointing, but I guess to be expected, what could really be new to say about it?
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Thanks for the review, arashi. I am glad not all of the photos were leaked. I will go ahead and order the book... in the near future. [snow_wink]
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The sets, especially the foyer, look too big. I'm afraid I'll miss the close-quartered, cloistered feel of the original series Collinwood; cozy to near claustrophobic.
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That's a very odd shot of Helena as Julia... thanks for that link. I wonder if this is supposed to be the morning after the costume ball. I assume there is some kind of ball or costume party because of the previous photo with BarnaDepp and Liz both wearing Tim Burtonesque versions of 18th century clothing. Perhaps it will be a different scene from the one with the original cast members and Alicia Cooper.
Julia looks propped-up drunk here, and her hair is falling...
The Spoiler button seems to have disappeared again... I had a spoilery speculation about the new Vanity Fair photo of Julia, but it will have to wait (or perhaps be posted in the spoilers thread even though it's just my own perverted speculation) until the Spoiler button reappears...
cheers, G.
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The spoiler button is still there - it's just that it looks different in SMF 2.0 than it did in 1.1:
... but the big change is that we have a spoiler feature again. It's different than our previous spoiler feature in SMF 1.1, though the way to read spoilers is pretty much self explanatory.
The button to look for in the BBC Code icons is this: (http://www.dsboards.com/SMF/Themes/midnight_storm_2/images/bbc/spoiler.gif)
And it's also possible to make a custom title for the spoiler. For example...
As for the foyer, all the descriptions that we've heard of the sets, from when they were first built to when KLS and Lara Parker talked about seeing them for the first time have said that they're huge so it shouldn't be too surprising that the foyer looks big in the new photo. Though honestly it doesn't look as big as the foyer was in the '91 Series - but that could simply be because we're only seeing a portion of it in the photo. If we'd only gotten a shot of the staircase in the '91 Series' foyer, it wouldn't have looked as big as it was either.
Also, as far as the window goes, people might be on to something about how the window is such a prominent feature of the set. Though as far as the what's on the other side goes, it looks to me like the backdrop only goes up the window about two thirds of the way and what we're seeing at the top could possibly be whatever is actually in the studio on the other side of the set's wall. [snow_undecided]
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That's what I was thinking about the window, MB. But it's still a strange color on the other side. Plus it just hit me that it kind of looks like a boat! [snow_cheesy] This nautical Collinwood is enough to make one seasick - and that may be a good thing!
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New images of Tim's concept art. Scroll down to the bottom!
http://screenrant.com/dark-shadows-images-concept-art-sandy-157897/
And Collinwood looks just like Seaview (from what I can tell) in that one drawing!
And there's Angelique's very racy dress.
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And Collinwood looks just like Seaview (from what I can tell) in that one drawing!
Looks quite a bit more gothic than Seaview (at least, figuring in the details we've seen via the photos of the actual facade). But definitely a fantasia on Seaview's basic shape.
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It's hard to tell, but it looks like Collinwood might have more than one tower, which would be interesting. But who knows how much Rick Heinrichs followed Burton's concept and how much he added of his own ideas. We'll certainly see. And I'm hoping we see sooner rather than later because practically from day one of the announcement of the film I've been dying to know what the exterior of Collinwood will look like. Though the sketch may answer one question we had back in July, Cousin_Barnabas - it seems like the tower(s) will (each) have a conical roof. Though given that the sketch seems to also have castle-like features, it's also possible that as you said the tower(s) might also have battlement features. And if so that would really make the film's Collinwood an amalgam of Seaview and Lyndhurst.
Notice that Barnabas' cane is also featured in the exhibit.
Thank heavens Depp doesn't look quite as bad as that sketch of Barnabas. Talk about scary! [snow_cheesy]
And thanks for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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That's what I was thinking about the window, MB. But it's still a strange color on the other side. Plus it just hit me that it kind of looks like a boat! [snow_cheesy] This nautical Collinwood is enough to make one seasick - and that may be a good thing!
By squinting a bit at it, what I gather the backdrop might be is the tops of a few trees, some clouds in the lower part of the sky, and the dark sky above those clouds. The bright on the upper part of the backdrop is just reflection of the light that seems to be above and behind the backdrop. I'm quite sure we're seeing the set from an angle that is much lower than what the window backdrop is dressed for. (Before looking more closely at the window, I could have sworn that the entire picture was a pre-production computer graphic; parts of it just had a fake look. But that's probably just because of the muted color palette and file compression of the image.)
In regard to the size of the foyer, it's kind of hard to tell by just this one angle and no people on the set for reference. As MB has said, it's probably no bigger than (and maybe even smaller than) the foyer in the '91 series. It's almost too cartoony-gothic for my taste, but I'll wait until seeing the final film before judging it. The feel that the shot of Willie and Barnabas gives is just perfect, IMHO. And other details we've seen indicate that Collinwood was designed by an architect who was told by the Collins patriarch to incorporate elements having to do with his love of the sea, and to just go to town with it. And go to town he certainly did!
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But who knows how much Rick Heinrichs followed Burton's concept and how much he added of his own ideas.
Since Heinrichs has been involved with many of Burton's projects, it's probably hard to say. I'll bet they're both on the same wavelength in regard to certain concepts, and that's why they work together so often. Heinrichs also designed The Wolfman (2010), which I saw very soon after I heard he was signed on for DS. I was very, very pleased with the production design of that movie (about the only thing I was pleased with...), and it gave me a lot of hope for his work on DS. The Wolfman doesn't have the Burton flavor, but the Collinwood foyer certainly does.
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You're preaching to the choir as far as Heinrichs' work on the The Wolfman goes. People here probably got sick of seeing me point out how many of the people working on the DS film had worked on that film and how much I had enjoyed their contributions to it. [snow_cheesy]
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The set reminds me of "The Haunting" remake. A house I love by the way, I also love the house in "The Wolfman". I have no idea who did the sets for "The Haunting".
I like what I've seen of these sets, there just not Collinwood, IMHO. That doesn't mean that I won't like the movie only that Seaview will always be Collinwood for me.
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Did anyone notice something strange near the bottom of the Julia Hoffman photo? There appears to be a styrofoam cup with a straw on the floor next to Ms. Bonham Carter. I doubt this was one of the movie props. Probably the actress's drink of Coke or something. Unlikely it was intended to be in the photo, but who knows?
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Did anyone notice something strange near the bottom of the Julia Hoffman photo?
Yes, I noticed that too! I'm positive that everything we're seeing are production stills, not actual frames from the film. (I wonder if that shot of Julia isn't even from Helena's performance, just something in between takes. She looks sort of in a daze. Of course, from what we've heard about Julia, that dazed look could be right in character!!)
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i forget...
were we specifically told that there would be a costume party or just that there would be a party? are we just assuming that there will be a costume party (with victoria in the guise of josette) given story precedent?
the pictures of depp and pfieffer in what looked like eighteenth century clothing seemed to further that assumption. also has anyone ever noticed that on DS a "costume party" means only one thing...that everyone comes in eighteenth century clothing. that's it. no one ever comes dressed as anything else.
given the film's perimeters i don't really see room for two elaborate party scenes. i'm thinking the party is just what we're seeing. not a costume party per se but just some sort of "fancy dress" affair. with this being the presumptive alice cooper cameo hasn't it been suggested a party for carolyn?
is this event in the foyer or drawing room or does this collinwood have a proper ballroom?
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I went back to when we first learned about the party in the late-June/early-July posts and it was described back then as a "masquerade party." Interestingly we've never seen any photos of anyone in masks - but that may not mean anything because we've barely seen any photos at all. [snow_wink] But if it is a masquerade, that could explain why the actors in the KLS book photos aren't dressed in costumes.
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She also says in the book that there were limits as to where and when they could take pictures.
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I went back to when we first learned about the party in the late-June/early-July posts and it was described back then as a "masquerade party." Interestingly we've never seen any photos of anyone in masks - but that may not mean anything because we've barely seen any photos at all. [snow_wink] But if it is a masquerade, that could explain why the actors in the KLS book photos aren't dressed in costumes.
Do we know how long the original DS actors were at Pinewood? The Tim Burton interview in Horror Hound seems to say they only filmed for one day, but I wonder if maybe they were also hanging around set for another day or so before and/or after the day that their particular scenes were filmed, and that's why we're sometimes seeing them in what seem to be street clothes.
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For those who have KLS' new book turn to page 29 where JF is looking at Collinwood's exterior and interior set designs/photos on the wall. The Blue Whale is also visible among the other sets and I believe I see the Johnny Depp Barnabas Collins portrait and possibly Josette's. You will need to get a good magnifying glass.
I skimmed over the part as to how long the actors were at Pinewood. It seems they were on the set for two days but only filmed on one day. I'll have to get back to you on that unless somebody can answer that.
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Someone on IMDB is saying that ET featured a short DS segment tonight and that they mentioned the film would be out in autumn...
MB... if you taped it, let us know if this is true!
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I haven't seen ET yet because it doesn't come on until midnight. But I will definitely report back whether what they said is true or not...
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Wow! You have syndicated shows that come on at midnight? Pretty nifty.
But, yes, that would be fantastic! Thank you!
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Well, one thing is true - there is a segment on the DS film. We shall see what they say...
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Apparently that person over on IMDb needs their ears cleaned because there was absolutely no mention of DS coming out in the autumn. The only thing the DS segment focused on were the four photos in Vanity Fair and how the issue came out Tuesday.
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Thanks, MB! I am glad that you were able to clear that up! I wish people would refrain from interjecting incorrect facts when they share news about DS... But at least we know they were wrong. [snow_smiley]
I am going to call BN to see if they have the Horror Hound issue in tomorrow. It's so hard with Borders gone now... There's only one place to get magazines!
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TB still doesn't know what type of movie this will be. You would think by now he does. http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/dark-shadows-movie-props-go-on-display.html
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Not necessarily. I'm just afraid he'll hit the perfect combination and then mess it up by continuing to work on it. It happens. But we shall see. Maybe he will get it right: A family drama with strong elements of horror and a dash of comedy. [snow_wink]
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Two new images, coming from this video:
http://www.m6replay.fr/#/info/le-1945/43474
(you have to sit through the ads, and the Tim Burton stuff starts at about 19 minutes, the images are at around 20 minutes)
images:
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/422164_10150701405070479_652175478_11597146_2030316654_n.jpg
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/432053_3399662707496_1147648549_3543297_2034867865_n.jpg
source: http://www.facebook.com/groups/190716234316441/
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Like Cousin_Barnabas, I also suspect Burton knows the type of film he's making - he just doesn't want anyone outside of the people working on the film to know. At least not until he's ready to show it to them - and that may not be until the premieres.
However, we do know that Seth Grahame-Smith has seen two rough cuts of the film and we know what he's said about what he saw. And nothing that he's said about it has me worried.
On the other hand, I find possible focus group interference far more worrisome than anything Burton might be doing. Yes, the Wizard of Oz focus group skit they showed on this year's Oscars was funny - but one reason it was so funny was because there was so much truth to it when it comes to what can and does sometimes happen in those groups. Let's not forget the example I cited about six months ago of how Brad Pitt complained that his favorite scene in Legends of the Fall was taken out because audience response during test screenings ranked it the #1 most hated scene - and despite the fact that it was also ranked the #2 most liked scene...
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Two new images
Very nice! Thanks for the link, Sara Monster. [snow_smiley]
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MORE PICTURES!!!! [coverears]
http://www.cinemarcado.com.br/2012/03/07/confira-imagens-exclusivas-de-sombras-da-noite-o-suspense-com-direcao-de-tim-burton/
Again, my source for this link: http://www.facebook.com/groups/190716234316441/
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Wow - the stills coming out just keep getting better and better! Thanks so much, Sara Monster, for these links today! [snow_smiley]
(And now we know for certain that the dress Liz is wearing in the photo with Depp is not the dress she wears for the party.)
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Thanks Sara Monster for the tremendous photos and the links!
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Does the linked article say that the movie has been delayed to June 22?
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I do believe it does say the film opens on June 22nd. But keep in mind that that site is not a US Web site and the film opens on different dates in different countries, so that might not mean anything with regards to the US. [snow_smiley]
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OK that is a relief. When you click on the word rescheduled it brings you to another page where it says this:
"New date
The studio has not officially announced to the press, but the release schedule of 2012 has undergone some changes, including the premiere of Shadows of the Night . The film, which estrearia on May 11 this year - and so far had no trailer released - was postponed until the following month. The movie premiere was rescheduled for June 22."
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Ah ha - I didn't see that. That may mean that the film has been delayed everywhere. I suppose we'll see...
Truthfully, though, it may not be a bad thing if it has been moved. I haven't looked at what else is opening in the US around that time, but that type of move would get the DS film out from under the shadow of The Avengers. [snow_wink]
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pfieffer is really looking gorgeous. VERY different take on the character than we've seen before. i was starting to think she wore that black dress thoughout the entire movie so it's nice to see her in something else.
GREAT shot of carolyn and david. i like them close in age for some reason.
love it!
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oh and i'll say it again but the costuming looks like it's going to be absolutely amazing in this.
great colors.
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Now that we know it's probably not from the party, I'm beginning to think that perhaps the photo we've seen of Barn and Liz is from when Barn first introduces himself to the family. And mostly because in the photos of him seemingly reacquainting himself with Collinwood he's wearing the same outfit.
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MB I didn't see that other page until after I had already posted. Sorry about that. I think we would have known about a delay by now (?) Well here are the releases in the US for June 22 according to the comingsoon website:
_ Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
- Brave (3D/2D theaters)
- Nero Fiddled (limited)
- Seeking a Friend for the End of the World
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Hmmm - somehow I can't see Warner Brothers wanting DS to go head-to-head up against AL:VH.
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Here's the article, translated with Bing:
The suspense night Shadows (Dark Shadows) from Director Tim Burton should have its first trailer revealed in a few days on the internet. But while the trailer doesn't come out, the Cine Marked obtained previously unseen images first hand this adaptation to the cinemas of the classical American series of the same title.
Starring Johnny Depp (Pirates of the Caribbean: the curse of the Black Pearl) and the actresses Chloe Moretz (the invention of Hugo Cabret), Helena Bonham Carter (Harry Potter and the order of the Phoenix), Eva Green (Casino Royale 007 –) and Michelle Pfeiffer (Hairspray – in search of Fame), Shadows of the night recently had its premiere rescheduled and will arrive to the cinemas only on 22 June.
In the year 1752, Joshua and Naomi Collins, with your child, Barnabas leave Liverpool, England, to begin a new life in the USA. But not even an ocean was enough to escape the mysterious curse that had the family. Two decades later, Barnabas (Johnny Depp) has the world at his feet, or at least the town of Collinsport, Maine. Owner of Collinwood Mansion, Barnabas is rich, powerful, and an inveterate playboy ... Until he makes the serious mistake of from the heart of Angelique Bouchard (Eva Green). Angelique, a witch in every sense, a condemnation of the target worse than death: transforms into a vampire and then buries alive. Two centuries later, Barnabas is mistakenly released from its tomb and enters the world quite different from 1972.
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I totally agree MB. That would make no sense.
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Great photos. I love the art direction. Now if only the screenplay proves to be up to par.
That site address is obviously located in Brazil, and as MB said, release dates in other parts of the world are likely to be later than the US. But who knows.
Following the progress of this project has really been like some sort of interactive detective story. Miss Marple, anyone?
G.
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Wow, these stills just keep getting better and better! Aside from just a very slight hesitation about the foyer, I am just loving the production design! The sets, the costumes, the colors--wow!!!
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These are fantastic! Thanks for much for sharing!
Again, the mysterious Victoria Winters is AWOL... But now we have seen every member of the main cast except for Jonny Lee Miller and Bella.
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weird right?
if it weren't for the early shots of bella on the beach with depp and "escaping" from some sort of ominous structure it would be easy to forget she's in the movie.
i don't get it. isn't she barnabas' "lost love"? strange she's not being more highly marketed.
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IF several of the photos are from the night Barnabas introduces himself to the family, it's possible that Victoria hasn't arrived at Collinwood yet. Though that possibility does nothing to explain why Roger hasn't popped up in a photo yet...
Wouldn't it be a hoot if for some reason Angelique is at Collinwood on the night Barnabas arrives? Can you just imagine what that would be like?!
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I've imagined it for years! Once upon a time I was going to write a fanfic setting Dark Shadows in 1970, with Angelique an established member of the family when Barnabas is released. Sorta like HODS, but maybe with less beloved characters impaled.
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What awesome pictures! Thanks for posting Sara Monster!
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Bella Heathcote and Jonny Lee Miller aren't box office draws. Releasing still of them wouldn't generate much buzz.
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I don't believe that we've seen any promo material with Christopher Lee yet either
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On the other hand, I find possible focus group interference far more worrisome than anything Burton might be doing. Yes, the Wizard of Oz focus group skit they showed on this year's Oscars was funny - but one reason it was so funny was because there was so much truth to it when it comes to what can and does sometimes happen in those groups. Let's not forget the example I cited about six months ago of how Brad Pitt complained that his favorite scene in Legends of the Fall was taken out because audience response during test screenings ranked it the #1 most hated scene - and despite the fact that it was also ranked the #2 most liked scene...
Yes, this really does scare me... Now, if we were in the focus group, I would not mind! [snow_cheesy]
And, in response to the potential date change: That is interesting if it is referring to the US date. As you said, I cannot see it going up against ALVH though. So the author could be mistaken, this could be an international date, OR ALVH could be getting moved as well... We shall wait and see. Whether we get Shadows in May or June, it doesn't really matter to me, so long as the movie is as good as it can possibly be and it does as well at the box office as it possibly can.
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I'm quite sure it's still opening on May 11 in the US. It looks like it's opening on May 9 in France, and on June 22 in Brazil. Release date is going to vary from market to market.
As far as focus groups go, is there much history of Burton's films being edited much due to audience response? Considering how close we're getting to the release date, and considering how personal this project is to both Burton and Depp, I think the final product we get will be the one that they are both happiest with themselves. Of course we don't know anything about the details of the contract with Warner Bros.--who knows how much creative control was a factor in negotiations. It did seem to take quite a while for this project to get greenlighted.
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Whoa!
Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in 'The Lone Ranger': first look (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/03/johnny-depp-and-armie-hammer-in-the-lone-ranger-first-look.html)
I wonder if those complaining about Barnabas' look in the DS film will see the saving grace in that at least he doesn't have a bat on his head? [snow_wink]
Seriously though, there could be a perfectly good reason why Depp/Tonto looks the way he does in that photo. I don't know what it is. But it could be there.
(And let's not even go into the fact that The Lone Ranger fans already have a photo and I don't think shooting has even been going on for a month yet. But then they're not dealing with Tim"I like everything to remain a complete mystery and to keep everyone guessing" Burton...)
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Went to the movies earlier this week and there was a poster for a new Tim Burton movie. Only thing is that it's for Frankenweenie which doesn't open until October! [snow_huh]
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You can vote for "your favorite type of weird" Johnny Depp character here:
http://www.thefablife.com/2012-03-08/johnny-depp-12-weirdest-characters-tonto/
Barnabas has 7.81 percent.
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The writer is asking what is WB's marketing strategy like the rest of us. http://screencrave.com/2012-03-08/is-dark-shadows-coming-out-in-may/
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You can vote for "your favorite type of weird" Johnny Depp character here: ... Barnabas has 7.81 percent.
More people must have voted because when I just voted (not for Barnabas [snow_wink]) Barnabas now has 20.25% and is ranked 3rd behind Edward Scissorhands and Jack Sparrow who are tied for 1st with 24.05%. Though considering that I think a lot of Depp's characters are much weirder than Jack Sparrow, perhaps this is turning into a popularity contest and having Barnabas in 3rd is actually a good thing. [snow_wink]
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That's funny. I have started thinking about BarnaDepp as BarnaScissors, short for Barnabas Scissorhands.
It's the dresden-doll clown makeup...
I wonder whether there will be protests from Native American groups over Depp's garish Tonto makeup? Looks like something Siouxie (of the Banshees) would have worn to a concert circa 1979.
G.
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Thanks for the "weirdest characters" poll link. It's hard to choose! [snow_smiley] Slight nitpick- Johnny's character from the film Benny & Joon is *not* named Benny; Benny is Joon's brother, played by Aidan Quinn, and Johnny's character is Sam. That is a common mistake [snow_angry] (Kind of like how some people want to spell Barnabas with a "u" )
I don't want to get too far off topic regarding the Tonto/Lone Ranger photo, but since it's been brought up, apparently some Depp fans have done research and seen that this makeup and headpiece is actually a realistic Native American look; I've only had time to skim so I can't tell you the exact details of which tribe(s) or whatnot, but there's been a photo of a Native American man posted that portrays a similar headpiece and very similar makeup. I was shocked at the photo at first, but in a way I'm pleased that they didn't go with the caricature-ish stereotypical Native American look. I'm actually very shocked that there has been a photo released *this* soon, but the photo was released by Jerry Bruckheimer himself on his Twitter account this morning, and let's just say that Jerry Bruckheimer and Tim Burton have VASTLY different ways of handling an upcoming film.
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Well, this is interesting..
When you go to the link I posted yesterday:
http://www.cinemarcado.com.br/2012/03/07/confira-imagens-exclusivas-de-sombras-da-noite-o-suspense-com-direcao-de-tim-burton/
It no longer has the pictures & only some text that roughly-translated-by-bling reads:
Ops, seems you arrived late. The images that had been published were not yet ready to be released and were removed.
Too little, too late, website.
Well, here are some direct links to the images posted elsewhere on the web, incase anyone missed them:
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419239_757799057686_354485437_n.jpg
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/431530_757798399006_23508468_35399659_143090063_n.jpg
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/418490_757798513776_23508468_35399660_169355234_n.jpg
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/421342_757798678446_23508468_35399661_1663168791_n.jpg
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let's just say that Jerry Bruckheimer and Tim Burton have VASTLY different ways of handling an upcoming film.
Ain't that the truth! [snow_cheesy]
Hmmm - I wonder if there are fans in The Lone Ranger fandom who when told that Depp's look is authentic will completely ignore that, just like some DS fans want to completely ignore the fact that Depp is channeling an old school vampire look for Barnabas? It wouldn't surprise me if there are...
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When you go to the link I posted yesterday: ... It no longer has the pictures
That's definitely interesting.
Too little, too late, website.
That's for sure. But now we can be doubly grateful to you for coming across them and for sharing them. [snow_smiley]
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Hmmm. Access Hollywood already had a segment tonight on The Lone Ranger photo, with interview clips with both Depp and Armie Hammer. But we shouldn't be jealous. No, not at all. We love being in the dark about so much regarding DS. Right? [snow_wink]
Although, to be fair I don't think I had started to record the entertainment news shows back when the DS cast photo came out, so they may have done a segment on it. Though if they had, one would think we would have heard about it...
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Yeah, so Warners has had all of the latest images pulled... I guess it wasn't time... But why pull them?
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Here's another image of Eva that has made it onto Facebook... She is wearing the dress.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3407281097951&set=o.378080145542273&type=1&theater
Pretty sure this is what KLS was talking about when she said that the original castmembers were part of the "Ah ha!" moment. That is an "Ah ha!" look if I have ever seen one...
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Well, this is interesting. I received an e-mail from Amazon, and not only isn't Return to Collinwood being shipped early, it's being shipped a week later than Amazon originally said because apparently the release of the book has been pushed back a week, from March 27th to April 3rd. Who knows what that's about - particularly considering that we know the book has already been published. Though at least it hasn't been pushed back to May when it was originally supposed to come out...
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Yeah, so Warners has had all of the latest images pulled... I guess it wasn't time... But why pull them?
What's interesting is that I've come across several other Web sites that now have messages like:
PICTURES REMOVED AT STUDIO'S REQUEST
Or have even replaced the photos with huge graphics that say REMOVED in big red letters. And they're sites from here in the US, not outside the US, so who knows? Though there are plenty of other sites that still have them on display. Though that may be because either they're ignoring Warner Brothers (which may not be a good thing) or they haven't been contacted to remove them because they're not on Warner Brothers' radar (at least not yet).
Here's another image of Eva that has made it onto Facebook... She is wearing the dress.
I guess we shouldn't be at all surprised that she's wearing that dress to the party. [snow_wink]
Thanks for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
(And as a side note, Extra also featured The Lone Ranger photo last night. Though they simply showed the photo - no interview clips...)
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This week's MTV article:
'Dark Shadows': A Peek Inside Collinwood Manor
Pictures revealing the manor's entryway and grand staircase have a distinctly old-school Tim Burton feel. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1680828/dark-shadows-collinwood-manor.jhtml)
I think we can all share MTV's John Mitchell's anxiousness to see a trailer. But really, continually harping on the fact that there isn't one yet isn't going to make it come out any sooner. And honestly, once we were told that a trailer wasn't likely until March, I strongly suspected that we wouldn't see it before the 16th, anyway - though since then there seems to have been some rumblings that we may not even see one until the 30th because its release just might coincide with the opening of Wrath of the Titans. So to me the interesting thing isn't why isn't there a trailer - it's more that if the trailer does come out this month as we were told, will it come out unattached to a Warner Brothers film or will it be attached to Wrath of the Titans? We shall see. But harping on the fact that nothing has come out as of yet isn't going to answer that question either. [snow_wink]
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Like everyone else I am wanting a trailer. However, for now I am totally enjoying these wonderful pictures. The staircase is simply breathtaking. I studied it for a good twenty minutes. So exquisite. If the movie were to get pushed back I wouldn't be upset. I want them to get the movie perfect. Am I wrong, or was ALICE pushed back at one point?? ?? Love all the new pictures. I am just so so excited to see these come to fruition. I have been talking with a 20 year old fan from New Zeland who got into the original show on his own. He said he had a lot of friends who were super excited. I am really looking forward to new blood infused into DS.....I remember when the 1991 show came on it brought me to DS and many other fans I have talked with over the years. And all of the ones who started with 1991 that I know eventually watched the original too! I seriously feel that this is going to infuse fandom with an amazing new energy whether the movie is good or bad. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To some the movie may be horrid and to some it may be immaculate and perfect. I just know my mind is staying open until I watch the movie. Even I could compare the 1991 show. I loved Joanna Going and Barbara Steele so much. However, when I watched the original I feel in love with Grayson. Alexandra isn't my favorite Victoria but I still enjoyed her work. I plan to go into this movie as if I am seeing something that I have never heard of.
For me. Most of the stills have a serious look to them although I am sure there will be some humor. When I think of what Barnabas coming two hundred years into the future, I honestly cannot figure out why the strangeness of it all was never really explored.
LOVE TO ALL MY COUSINS!!!!! [Witch_Potion_Animated]
[thewave]
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Tae
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Hmmm. I was just checking some of the posts on the IMDb board and they're saying that the French news segment (the one linked to by Sara Monster in reply #2519 on page #168) reported that the DS trailer would reach the Internet in a few days. That was back on the 7th and we've yet to see anything yet - though that doesn't necessarily mean that the release can't be imminent.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get the video to play. Has anyone who understands French seen it? And if so, does it actually say that the trailer would be released in a few days?
Also, the people on IMDb seem to think that all the recent photos that have been released are from scenes in the trailer. I came across one post where someone even says it's been confirmed that they do - but the person doesn't cite a source.
It would be great if the trailer is imminent. And it would certainly be interesting if the photos are from scenes in the trailer. But who knows...
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Just came across these tweets via the JOHNNYDEPPZONE Web site:
Geoff Boucher @LATherocomplex
Zanuck on Dark Shadows: It's a bit of a horror film, a love story, a soap opera and there's humor; all of it adds up to great entertainment
1:48 PM - 3 Feb 12
Geoff Boucher @LATherocomplex
Pretty happy with "John Carter" set story (http://lat.ms/xaldSu) & next week we have true world exclusive: The only "Dark Shadows" set visit
4:45 PM - 2 Mar 12
As to the second tweet, I've gone through all the posts since that John Carter set story, and there hasn't been anything about DS yet - but for it to be "next week" it should be coming soon. Hopefully it will be as interesting as the JC piece. And presumably the Zanuck quote from the first tweet will show up in the DS piece.
And there was also this tweet:
Schultz & Wiremu @multidyer
@widowshill hey! I just heard that Dark Shadows should be released in May! My friend has just filmed the orchestra playing the score for it!
3:02 PM - 5 Mar 12
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... replaced the photos with huge graphics that say REMOVED in big red letters. And they're sites from here in the US, not outside the US, so who knows? Though there are plenty of other sites that still have them on display. Though that may be because either they're ignoring Warner Brothers (which may not be a good thing) or they haven't been contacted to remove them because they're not on Warner Brothers' radar (at least not yet).
All of the major entertainment sites that I looked at had them removed. The smaller entities still have them up. So, Warners definitely did a job on them. And I can't figure out why... Unless they want those images to promote the launch of the website...
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get the video to play. Has anyone who understands French seen it? And if so, does it actually say that the trailer would be released in a few days?
Also, the people on IMDb seem to think that all the recent photos that have been released are from scenes in the trailer. I came across one post where someone even says it's been confirmed that they do - but the person doesn't cite a source.
I cannot play the video either. And the IMDB boards are full of so much speculation mixed with fact that it's hard to tell what is actually going on and who knows what he is actually talking about... It would surprise me if we got past this coming Friday without something though... A poster, a trailer, a website... It just doesn't seem plausible.
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Off-topic, but it got me thinking:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3390
Apparently they are blaming poor marketing for a week opening day for this film. Considering that other than hearing about it from the MTV poll and then hearing a brief radio interview about it yesterday morning, I heard/saw nothing, it makes sense. I hope that Warners doesn't make the same mistake as Disney and gets the ball rolling on Shadows ASAP. No one wants the film to flop just because Warners didn't market it right.
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I suspect boxofficemojo.com didn't like the take the marketing strategy for JC took, not that they believe it wasn't marketed. In fact, 1) they say that the movie's expected take is "a truly terrible start for any heavily-marketed sci-fi movie," and 2) for more than a month I've been seeing all sorts of TV ads, the entertainment news shows have been doing all sorts of segments on the movie - several just this past week alone, and there have been all sorts of online articles about the movie on the various entertainment Web sites that I routinely visit. So, in terms of the sheer volume of promotion, we should only be so lucky that DS gets as much. [snow_wink]
What I suspect may be hurting the movie is its horrendous reviews, with some calling it the worst movie ever made. Though I can say that the movie didn't interest me in the slightest, so no amount of promotion or even the most stellar of reviews would have made me want to see it...
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And the IMDB boards are full of so much speculation mixed with fact that it's hard to tell what is actually going on and who knows what he is actually talking about...
True. And no matter the Web site, people tend to lose me whenever they make claims that something has been confirmed yet they fail to provide a source for the supposed confirmation. Though when it comes to the claim about the French news segment, it would be very foolhardy indeed for them to make the claim that it says something that it doesn't because anyone who can access the video and who does understand French could easily discredit them.
It would surprise me if we got past this coming Friday without something though... A poster, a trailer, a website... It just doesn't seem plausible.
IF they want to tie the trailer to Wrath of the Titans, I can actually see nothing coming about until sometime during the week of the 30th. But as always, we shall see...
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Another interesting take on the lack of a trailer and the DS film's prospects:
Tim Burton’s Dark Shadows (http://www.impactnottingham.com/2012/03/tim-burtons-dark-shadow/)
(People like MTV's John Mitchell would do well to read articles like this. [snow_wink])
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I suspect boxofficemojo.com didn't like the take the marketing strategy for JC took, not that they believe it wasn't marketed. In fact, 1) they say that the movie's expected take is "a truly terrible start for any heavily-marketed sci-fi movie," and 2) for more than a month I've been seeing all sorts of TV ads, the entertainment news shows have been doing all sorts of segments on the movie - several just this past week alone, and there have been all sorts of online articles about the movie on the various entertainment Web sites that I routinely visit. So, in terms of the sheer volume of promotion, we should only be so lucky that DS gets as much. [snow_wink]
That is interesting. I missed that part about the film being "heavily marketed." Thanks for pointing that out and sharing your experiences, MB. I guess it was just ineffective - as I am certain I must have seen ads for it too then... I suppose they just weren't eye-catching or memorable. So, let's hope that Shadows has effective marketing! Because, in the end, that is one of the things that counts!
IF they want to tie the trailer to Wrath of the Titans, I can actually see nothing coming about until sometime during the week of the 30th. But as always, we shall see...
That is a very good possibility, but I hope they will decide to launch something on the Internet before then... even if it's just the website.
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There is an alleged hollywood test screening of the movie this Tuesday. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/thread/196037757
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Well, we knew they were coming sooner or later, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.
And I'm not the least bit surprised about the age range either. As I've said many times, the entertainment industry doesn't care what we (meaning 50-year-olds, those pushing 50, and those older than 50) think. We're certainly not the target audience for the film.
Thanks for the link. [snow_smiley]
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I guess this means more editing will be done based on the audience's feedback of the entire movie. That may then push back the trailers or not.
Well our age group has more spending power but I can see why they would would want the younger demographic for the movie.
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I guess this means more editing will be done based on the audience's feedback of the entire movie. That may then push back the trailers or not.
It probably wouldn't affect the trailers because trailers can sometimes contain glimpses of scenes that don't end up in the finished film -or even just voiceover snippets of dialogue.
Well our age group has more spending power but I can see why they would would want the younger demographic for the movie.
Ignoring that we have more spending power does seem counterintuitive. But the thinking is that we're too set in our ways to be able to be influenced by advertising/marketing. We'll stick with the products we already like and the types of films that already appeal to us. And while I could argue with that in certain situations, I do have to admit that, as I said, no amount of marketing would get me into a theater to see John Carter. [snow_wink]
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There is an alleged hollywood test screening of the movie this Tuesday. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/thread/196037757
This is true. A member of our local DS fan club had several passes that he was unable to use because of the age restrictions. He was kind enough to give one of the passes to me. The ticket actually says that the screening is for people ages 14-49 and will admit the bearer plus one guest. I would rather see this opportunity go to somebody who actually wants to watch the movie. If you can be in the L.A. area on Tuesday, please send me a PM.
ProfStokes
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Amanda, if this means you are going to the screening, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Perhaps there can be an appropriately tagged thread for reviews of preview screenings (and, eventually, regular screenings). You could be the first person here to review the completed film.
One reason why I'd like to read whatever you have the energy and interest to set down is the possibility of last minute edits based upon the response to the screening you attend and others like it.
Thanks, Steve
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This is odd...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=393094844051216&set=o.190716234316441&type=1&theater
Foremost because there are a couple of glaring typos in the description, which makes me question it. Secondly because it is described as both a "comedy" and a "gothic horror tale." We know where the latter part of the description came from, but what about the first part?
Oddly enough, I was able to confirm everything except the description of the event.
Here is what I was able to get:
Dark Shadows
AMC Burbank 16
125 Palm Ave.
Burbank
California 91502
Tuesday, March 13, 2012
At 07:00 PM
Please arrive no later than: 6:00 PM
Note: Seating is first come, first serve.This is a private event and we reserve the right to admit or refuse admittance to anyone at anytime.
That is why I am very curious to know about the description. Where did the first part come from? Who wrote it? It's important to me because it begs the question, "Is the film indeed going to be considered a comedy?" Is this how they plan to market it? Like I said, I have problems with that description because of the errors, so who knows where it came from... But it is definitely the most interesting thing to come out of this test screening.
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The synopsis is odd to say the least. Though not because of the comedy part or the typos, but because it says the plot centers on Barnabas "and his run ins with various monsters, witches, werewolves and ghosts." That may be a generic description suitable for the original series - but not for the film. [snow_undecided]
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Well that is the description that has been used on IMDB from the beginning. And while I am fairly sure it's not accurate (about the werewolves at least), I at least know where it came from. The other part is really random.
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It's definitely not accurate - and one would presume or at least hope that an official document would not rely on inaccurate info on IMDb but on factual info provided by the studio. And as it doesn't, it makes me question everything about the synopsis as well as who it was who typed up what's on Facebook. It's like just some random person not really connected to the film gathered the info about the test screening's time/location and then added the synopsis to it based on whatever they could find on the Internet.
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Did you guys read the dialogue transcription from the long trailer seen by the Ross person?
There was no doubt in my mind that that was intended to be a trailer for a product in the "horror comedy" category.
Elsewhere I said that the dialogue read like the work of one of Sasha Baron Cohen's staff writers.
cheers, G.
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It's definitely not accurate - and one would presume or at least hope that an official document would not rely on inaccurate info on IMDb but on factual info provided by the studio. And as it doesn't, it makes me question everything about the synopsis as well as who it was who typed up what's on Facebook. It's like just some random person not really connected to the film gathered the info about the test screening's time/location and then added the synopsis to it based on whatever they could find on the Internet.
I totally agree! And I was hoping someone who was invited could shed some light on the matter. In the meantime, I guess we'll just have to wait a few days and see if any reports pop up telling us about the film's tone...
Did you guys read the dialogue transcription from the long trailer seen by the Ross person?
There was no doubt in my mind that that was intended to be a trailer for a product in the "horror comedy" category.
Oh yes, G. But I have also read a couple interviews since then and have walked away with the impression that this film is a mixed bag. If the final product is indeed a collection of different moods/tones, I am interested in seeing which ones get hyped in the marketing. We know that they are testing comedy trailers, but I am curious to see if the publicity will highlight the other aspects that are supposedly in the film. [snow_smiley]
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I'm at work, which firewalls us from Facebook, so I can't read the description there right now. But the Barnabas "and his run ins with various monsters, witches, werewolves and ghosts" tagline has been around for a long time, and not just on IMDb, but other blogs and entertainment sites. I think it was just a generic blurb that someone dreamed up to give people a general idea; I never took it literally.
Prof. Stokes, I'm so pleased to hear that you got passes for the screening! [snow_smiley] I hope you will give your thoughts. (And darn, I wish I lived on the other coast! [snow_wink] ) I have a friend who also knows 2 LA Depp fans who will be attending, so I hope that after tomorrow, we will have a better general idea of what to expect.
Initially, the recent release of several new photos was placating me to some extent about the fact that we haven't seen a trailer yet. But we REALLY should've had a poster by now, at least. Grrrrr.
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I'm actually wondering if people attending the test screening will have to sign confidentiality agreements? I have no idea if that's general practice or not. But in this particular case Burton has been so ultra-secretive about letting anything about the film out that I wouldn't put it past him not wanting any details about the film to leak two months before it even opens and before a final edit is possibly completed. So, it'll be very interesting to see...
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It just hit me how weird it is that the first test screening is happening and there's NO mock-up poster on the Facebook announcement linked above.
I can understand (sort of) the delay in releasing the trailer, but why be so fussy about the poster?
You would think they would at least have the standard DS logo bannering across the silhouette of Collinwood... how hard can this be??
Anyway, apologies for flogging a dead horse...
G.
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Like I said, I'm honestly questioning who put together what's been posted on Facebook. It may be legit and was indeed put together by someone closely connected to the test screening. But the things lacking about it that you point out only seem to me to make its origin more questionable - particularly because, as you say, how hard would it have been just to put a logo on it...
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The "gothic comedy" description is on the screener ticket itself, but I don't know where the rest of the plot description came from.
It doesn't look like I will be attending the screening after all. Registration is now closed.
ProfStokes
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That's too bad, Amanda.
Thanks for sharing the info with us.
Best, Steve
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Thanks ProfStokes for sharing the information.
I assume the description "gothic comedy" is from the studio. Then it must have a great deal of humor in it. I think they should have left out the word comedy and let the audience decide if it is funny. It doesn't matter. What done is done and I doubt TB is going to edit much of the movie based on a small sample of 300 people or so. Previously WB described it as a Gothic Thriller. The Thrill must be gone.
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I'm actually wondering if people attending the test screening will have to sign confidentiality agreements? I have no idea if that's general practice or not.
I've never had the privilege of attending a test screening, but I do believe it is common to have to sign a confidentiality agreement. However, I believe that people are allowed to give general impressions and overall opinions- just no details.
Prof. Stokes, I'm so sorry to hear you won't be able to attend. Anyway, we'll soon hear if we hear any feedback from the attendees.
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I do believe it is common to have to sign a confidentiality agreement. However, I believe that people are allowed to give general impressions and overall opinions- just no details.
So in other words we can look forward to people possibly saying they loved it or they hated it - but they can't tell us why. [snow_wink]
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Previously WB described it as a Gothic Thriller. The Thrill must be gone.
Not neceassarily. Given the way the film has been described by the various people involved, it seems possible that it can be described in a variety of ways and each may be just as valid as the other. What does seem likely, though, is that Warner Brothers have definitely decided to promote the comedic aspects of the film over the other elements. And we won't know if that's a wise move or a misleading move until we've actually seen the film for ourselves - and we see how it does at the box office.
One thing that we really have to keep in mind is that studios market films in the ways they hope will get the most bodies into theaters. And those ways aren't always completely reflective of what a film is entirely like. One perfect example of that, and this is going back like 30 years, but it's quite an infamous example, is the marketing campaign for a Gene Hackman/Barbra Streisand film entitled All Night Long. The trailers/TV ads/posters all promoted the film as a whimsical comedy - but the film was actually more of a family drama with comedic elements to it. And once that fact became obvious, the entertainment press really began to rip into Universal for misrepresenting the film in its marketing campaign. It was not pretty.
Of course, I'm not saying that's what's going to happen with the DS film. We have no idea. But what I am saying is that just because it seems likely now that the film will be promoted as a comedy, that doesn't mean there's still much more to it than only its comedic elements...
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I've never had the privilege of attending a test screening, but I do believe it is common to have to sign a confidentiality agreement. However, I believe that people are allowed to give general impressions and overall opinions- just no details.
I've only attended one test screening, for Far From Heaven, in Chicago. We had questionnaires to fill out, but there was no confidentiality agreement. (There was also a select number of people in the audience who had been also chosen to be a focus group, taking part in a discussion after the screening; it would have been fun to be in that group, but I was not one of the chosen...) I thought the movie was pretty bad during that test screening, but the final film actually turned out to be quite good. It's amazing how something can be improved by doing what might appear to be tiny and/or inconsequential edits, using the final music score instead of a temporary score, doing final color correction, etc. For instance, one of my several problems with the film was the inclusion of a voiceover by Julianne Moore at the beginning and the ending of the film; I complained about it on the questionnaire, and was happy to see it gone in the released version. Another problem I had was with a scene that got really big laughs--not in a good way--and played like something out of the SNL skit of Siskel & Ebert reviewing a gay porn film. It played much better in the final version.
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I think you are right about WB's marketing strategy. However, I am wondering if in fact WB has to market it as a comedy because it was filmed as a comedy. We shall see if JD plays BC as a classical vampire as he said he would with a little poetic licensing. I don't think the movie should be marketed with JD as a vampire in a comedic role. Then the studio is sending the message that this movie is going to be a parody of the o/s or just another Addams Family like movie. To me that is not going to get fans of horror to go and see this movie. The bottom line is that as far as I know comedy dominates this movie. My goodness I hope I am so wrong.
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If the film was shot as a comedy, then HBC and Seth Grahame-Smith wouldn't have said that what the film actually is is so hard to pin down that it was going to be hard for the studio to figure out how to market it. They would have been well aware that the film would be marketed as a comedy because that's what it would be. [snow_smiley] And also recall that prior to his remark about it being hard to market, Grahame-Smith had seen rough cuts, so he knows in what directions Burton is taking the film.
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I have learned not to trust to a large extent anyone associated with the production of this movie. I also have my doubts about the individuals who claim to have seen the trailers. I guess "Trust No One" is my new motto until I see the movie myself. The studio must have changed its description from a Gothic Thriller to that of a Gothic Comedy when the studio saw the entire movie and realized that comedy dominates the movie irregardless of what TPTB have said. The good thing is that we should expect some real feedback soon. I hope it is a great movie.
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I'm tending to be willing to believe both camps. I don't see why the people who've described the test trailers in the ways they have would have described them in those ways unless that's really what they did see. And I definitely believe that the people associated with the film who've described it as a mix of such different elements that it's hard to pin down just what it is are being truthful because that's certainly not the way people want to describe their film unless they have to - and it's certainly not the way a studio wants to have a film be described because they like films that can be pigeonholed into an easily marketed genre. But as always, we shall see...
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KLS doesn't know how to respond to the question if the new version is faithful to the original series.
http://www.examiner.com/fanboys-in-national/exclusive-dark-shadows-star-kathryn-leigh-scott-returns-to-collinwood
I'm still hoping that TB and company has hoaxed us all.
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I have learned not to trust to a large extent anyone associated with the production of this movie.
Where? Why have you learned not to trust them? We haven't seen anything at all yet but stills. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, so please don't think I am, I'm just curious as to where this opinion stems from.
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Mine was meant to be a general comment regarding what the movie is and is not and how TPTB may have said things to keep us off guard (for the integrity of the movie). My comment was not meant to convey an attack on their integrity and professionalism. Perhaps I should have worded it better but I don't understand why some people here just take things out of context and fly with it especially when they are not in my head. I hope I have satisfied your question.
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Jimbo is correct. Anyone associated with the film must have anything they've said taken with a huge grain of salt. It's in everyone of their contracts that they must take part in the "promotion" of the film. They're doing their jobs right now, and their job is to promote the movie, not to give us the straight dope on what kind of movie it is.
Had WB nailed down a marketing strategy, they'd all be parroting the same lines right now. The comments you're seeing from them are only as wishy washy as they are because with no marketing plan, the cast and crew are doing their best to hold up their end of the contract without any kind of marketing master plan.
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Call me naive, but I suppose I'm more willing to take what's being said by the cast/crew at face value rather than surmise everything being said is perhaps being spun simply because they have no idea what to really say. Though I suppose in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter which view we each chose to currently subscribe to because before too long we'll see the film for ourselves and we'll know whether they were simply spinning or they were being truthful. [snow_smiley]
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I'm with you, MB, and I would further say that my interpretation of Tim's words is that he refuses to put the film into a neat little box. If he brands it as something, "comedy", "gothic" or whatever, then fifty thousand bloggers and entertainment sites will pick up on it and repeat it until everyone treats it as gospel, and I think that he is deliberately refusing to do that. I guess I could be wrong, though [snow_cheesy]
As for KLS, I didn't really see a problem in her answer. She is pointing out some differences from the OS, for instance that Victoria rather than Maggie is the Josette figure (and of course, that is a big point from her perspective, for obvious reasons [snow_smiley] ), and that there is more emphasis on Barnabas adjusting to a new era, as we all already learned. So she's obviously not going to say that the movie is completely faithful to the series, because it's not. Also, she doesn't want to give away everything because she wants people to buy her book to read more. I do agree with Phil that there is going to be a bit of a spin factor, but that was going to be true no matter what- everyone involved with the franchise has a bias, and that's understandable.
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I think it would be a good idea to let us know what kind of film it is before opening night. I know if I walk in expecting a gothic love story and I get a comedy, I won't be happy. It I expect a comedy and I get a comedy it will be a lot easier to take. But that's just me.
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I suspect it's not an either/or. If we can believe what we're being told, we're going to get elements of both comedy and Gothic love story. [snow_smiley] And actually, the description of the Gothic love story portion of one of the test trailers sounded quite promising...
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i'm not that familiar with burton's other works...
but aren't they all to some extent "follies"? whimsical tales with comedic elements?
i mean even if the film is not straight up comedic we know we're not getting 'the exorcist', right? his films are never genuinely "scary" are they?
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I just watched Sweeney Todd the other night ... any comedic elements were already in the script. I'd say "scary" over "fanciful" (and it was shelved in the horror section at the video store ...)
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Mine was meant to be a general comment regarding what the movie is and is not and how TPTB may have said things to keep us off guard (for the integrity of the movie). My comment was not meant to convey an attack on their integrity and professionalism. Perhaps I should have worded it better but I don't understand why some people here just take things out of context and fly with it especially when they are not in my head. I hope I have satisfied your question.
I hope you weren't thinking I was taking what you said out of context, I didn't think it was an attack at all, I was genuinely curious as to how you formed this opinion. A lot of the times people (not you, but everyone) will post an opinion but not elaborate on where it came from or why they think so. I was just hoping you'd explain.
Oh and to Michael C - with Burton's work it depends largely on the movie. I'm not familiar with ALL of his movies, but something like Big Fish, while it did have fantastical elements, was much more an incredibly moving story about the relationship between a father and a son. So I wouldn't categorize them all as follies.
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I'm not trying to be rude or anything, so please don't think I am, I'm just curious as to where this opinion stems from.
You weren't rude at all. Sorry to see that a polite request for clarification was taken personally.
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I just picked up the Dark Shadows edition of HorrorHound, and I have to say I am very impressed with everything I have seen so far. While I have only read the Tim Burton interview, the layout of the Dark Shadows Retrospective is fantastic! And there are additional Shadows-related features: One on Dan Curtis and one on Christopher Lee. So, head down to Barnes and Noble and pick up your copy today!
Now for my impressions on the Tim Burton interview...
I have to say I was very satisfied with what I read. Like MB pointed out earlier, the full article really puts everything into perspective. His answers are very clear, and I can totally see where he is coming from. While I was not completely overjoyed by everything I read, I was very happy about several things and walked away very content.
In fact, the interviewer even comes right out and asks him if Shadows is a "Gothic Comedy." (This is important, as we didn't have that exact wording before, and now [with the new description] it takes on a whole new level of importance.) We have seen part of his answer before, but the full answer really makes much more sense: He wants to avoid labels. WB probably doesn't, however, and that is why we are getting this discourse.
While I encourage everyone to go out and buy the magazine to read the full interview, I am going to post this excerpt here, as it is something which was mentioned before, but not in its complete context.
HH: The original music of Bob Cobert in the series was like a secondary character and a major part of the show. Will that music be used by Danny within the new film's score?
TB: The original music of Bob Cobert is definitely a vibe. We talked a lot about that and I am sure you'll be hearing a flavor of that. We haven't recorded yet, but I agree that the score was a character, so definitely a part of that in some way shape or form. I doubt you'll be hearing 'Quentin's Theme' though. Sorry about that.
So my question, for discussion purposes, is what exactly do you think Burton means by "hearing a flavor of that?" Do you think that the main theme and other elements will be incorporated? He didn't deny the use of "Dark Shadows" or "Josette's Music Box" whereas he came right out and said that we wouldn't get "Quentin's Theme." That, of course, makes sense since there is no Quentin. But maybe not mentioning either of those two other themes, when they are mentioned throughout the issue, is an indicator that we will be able to hear them... I sure hope so!
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It's the best set of pictures I've seen so far.
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I hope you weren't thinking I was taking what you said out of context, I didn't think it was an attack at all, I was genuinely curious as to how you formed this opinion. A lot of the times people (not you, but everyone) will post an opinion but not elaborate on where it came from or why they think so. I was just hoping you'd explain.
Arashi thank you for the clarification. I don't believe you were rude or I would have said so in my initial response. I now have a better understanding of your original post. I stand by my response as constituted and I disagree with Midnite's second sentence in her post. I have always enjoyed our previous conversations and I hope that continues in the future. Be well cousin.
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BREAKING:
Trailer debuts on ELLEN Thursday!
http://ellen.warnerbros.com/2012/03/ewan_mcgregor_-_thursday_march_15_2012.php
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Perhaps my concept of time is different from other people - but with regard to two recent things that have been mentioned it certainly seems to me that more time has passed than should have been expected.
For one, IF that French news report really did say back on the 7th that the trailer for the DS film would reach the Internet in a few days, apparently it only reached so far as French Web sites because obviously none of us have seen hide nor hair of it. But then the source for that remark/supposed translation is the IMDb, and given how questionable the info imparted over there can sometimes be, perhaps we'll just chalk up the apparent lack of a trailer to that.
On the other hand, one would presume that the writer for the LA Times' Hero Complex Web site would know what he's talking about. But even though he tweeted on the 2nd that their world exclusive DS set visit piece would be appearing "next week," it has yet to show up and certainly more than a week has passed. I wonder what's up with that?
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BREAKING:
Trailer debuts on ELLEN Thursday!
http://ellen.warnerbros.com/2012/03/ewan_mcgregor_-_thursday_march_15_2012.php
Well, thank goodness!!! And thanks Cousin for the news!! If this is so, perhaps we may even get a little sneak peak beforehand, like today or tomorrow (like sometimes, Entertainment Tonight or similar show will show a few seconds of something that will debut a day or two later). I still want a poster, though [snow_angry] (Greedy me!) [snow_cheesy]
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That would be fantastic, madscntst! I hope we do get some sneak peaks! I shall be on the lookout!
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Trailer debuts on ELLEN Thursday!
Excellent news! Now who cares what that French news report might or might not have said! [snow_cheesy]
And it's interesting because Ellen was actually the first place to break the first Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 trailer. Apparently Warner Brothers is using her popularity to promote their big films. And why shouldn't they? After all, her show has excellent ratings.
Thanks so much for this news, Cousin Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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Awesome find, Cousin Barnabas! Much thanks for the news!!
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THanks for the news Cousin Barnabas! So excited!
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If this is so
I think we can believe it's so because not only is it on her Web site, I just discovered that the news was also in this week's Ellen e-mail newsletter, a copy of which I received late Sunday night, but I'm always so late at checking my e-mail that I didn't come across it until just a few minutes ago. Sorry about that. Bad, bad MB! [embb] But the only important thing is that thanks to Cousin_Barnabas we know now. [thumb]
perhaps we may even get a little sneak peak beforehand, like today or tomorrow (like sometimes, Entertainment Tonight or similar show will show a few seconds of something that will debut a day or two later)
At the end of yesterday's shows none of them mentioned that they would have the trailer, which is something they have done when other trailers or even snippets of trailers were going to be on the next day's show. However, that may mean absolutely nothing in this case because all the shows are still completely obsessed over Whitney Houston and her daughter, so that's all they've been promoting period. But we shall see. And if something does pop up, no matter how short, I will post it...
The show to possibly keep an eye on besides ET and AH is Extra because, like Ellen, it's also produced by Warner Brothers TV.
Of course, now I'm wondering if the trailer will show up in theaters on Friday?
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Thanks Cousin_ Barnabas for the find of a jewel news!
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Sorry folks, by saying "if this is so", I didn't mean that I doubted it was so! [snow_wink] I guess I meant "this being the case..." Anyway:
Bad, bad MB! [embb]
LOL! [snow_clown]
Of course, now I'm wondering if the trailer will show up in theaters on Friday?
On IMDb, someone was just speculating about The Hunger Games. Hmm. Also, I really doubt it would debut with 21 Jump Street because the genres are so different, but Johnny does have a cameo in the movie and of course there is a lot of history there, so, ya never know. (It's not WB, though- is The Hunger Games?)
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The trailer is 2:24 and rated PG. Originally from IMDb discussion board http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/recentclasstrailers.aspx
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The trailer is 2:24 and rated PG.
Though that may not be the same trailer that we see on Ellen because that's a Canadian Web Site for movie theaters in Alberta and they're rating a Canadian trailer. [snow_wink]
Though we shall see. And thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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Yeah, I was about to say, "but trailers aren't rated!" Good thing I clicked on to the next page before posting! Actually, my understanding is that we only have 2 types of trailers in the US- green band and red band. The vast, vast majority of trailers are green band- the ones that say "General Audiences." This is so that even if the film is rated R, the trailer itself can be put in front of a movie of any rating (though obviously, they probably won't put a trailer for an R rated movie in front of a kid's G-rated film [snow_cheesy] Red band trailers contain restricted material, but they aren't that common; 21 Jump Street had one because they wanted to show some of the raunch, and sometimes horror films have them, but I don't think they bother in most cases.
I am ASSUMING that the film itself won't be rated PG [snow_rolleyes] In fact, have we gotten a definite rating yet? I think that the consensus has been that it will be PG-13, though I have hoped for an R. ETA- according to Box Office Mojo, it's "not yet rated." But I seem to recall Zanuck or someone remarking that it was aiming for PG-13. Did I imagine that?
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No, you didn't imagine the PG-13. Back in February Seth Grahame-Smith said they're aiming for a PG-13. [snow_smiley]
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There can't be a definite rating until the film has been completed and submitted for a rating. Although this close the wire, you'd hope that maybe they'd be finished and get a rating. While there have been many times I've seen "This film has not yet been rated" on trailers and posters, I don't recall too many instances when it was for a film coming out in less than two months...
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Thanks so much everyone for the trailer rating information. Stuart just tweeted that we can see a few seconds of the trailer at the website. http://ellen.warnerbros.com/2012/03/ewan_mcgregor_-_thursday_march_15_2012.php
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Oh my!
Screen captures to come as soon as I can process the promo and pull/post the caps.
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Way cool!!! [blob7] Guys, that doesn't look like they're trying to sell "gothic comedy" to me!!
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was that finally a shot of bella/josette?
she exists!
this look great! [snow_bigglass]
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That could be Eva Green but Bella is most defintely in the trailer and it does look great and not a gothic comedy. Can't wait for the screen caps MB!
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caps are up on FB and it's definitely bella.
the shot of her in what looks like a straightjacket brings to mind that early shot of bella escaping from some ominous looking structure. it's seeming like that was windcliff.
even in the movie poor vicki just can't keep from being locked up.
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Wow, where are they going with this plot? At first I thought that shot of Bella was actually Chloe, since that seemed like it would fit in with something talked about a while back (in a discussion of the meanings of the placement of the actors in the full cast photo). This is most definitely not a retread! We're gonna be getting a really original story, and that is so exciting!! [cheerleader]
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Check you times, Ellen's time is changing here.
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I guess I'll be running home from work to see Ellen Thursday! Make that speeding.
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These files are huge at the moment because they're PNG files - but that's because the video software I have for creating clips converts all the frames of a video to PNG files. Later I'll convert them to JPG, but I wanted to get them posted. [snow_wink]
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And, no, none of that looks like comedy to me either...
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Oh, MB, thank you thank you thank you for the screen caps!!! (It was really hard trying to see different things more clearly on the video by hitting the pause button, replaying, hitting pause, etc...)
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Well done MB! No it doesn't look like a comedy for sure.
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WHO is barnabas charging after?
it looks like a boy.
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No it doesn't look like a comedy for sure.
And it certainly doesn't look like any of the trailers that we've been reading about.
And BTW, there are two scenes I didn't upload captures from: the gates opening in the very beginning and cutting the chains/the coffin shaking. I figured the other scenes were far more interesting. [snow_wink]
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy!! (That'll teach me to stop off at the grocery store on my way home from work! I could've been home earlier and watching this! [snow_cheesy] ) Thanks for the screen caps, MB! This looks GREAT, to me! And it looks like there will be some good lusty stuff going on, too [snow_cool] I can't wait to see the whole thing! Woo-hoo!!!
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there are totally different ways to edit a trailer.
i wouldn't be surprised if for test marketing purposes one was edited to highlight the comedic elements of the film.
there seems to be chatter of it being promoted almost as an "adams family" type of situation. an eccentric and goofy family residing in a crumbling mansion.
for those unfamiliar with the show that could prove an effective strategy.
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WHO is barnabas charging after?
I looked at all the screen captures from that section and I can't tell.
it looks like a boy.
But that seems right because the person has short hair and is wearing pants.
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Is everyone happy with the new logo? I'm ok with it I think.
It does look like a boy but taller than the actor playing David but it could be the angle. I like the one with BC rising out of the coffin.
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on FB that cap is so small everyone is assuming barnabas was diving after josette on widows hill.
but it looks like a blond boy. that leaves out david...and for that matter the rest of the known cast. [snow_huh]
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It appears to me that Barnabas is charging after someone who's fallen off a cliff (Widow's Hill?). As the person falls through the air, Barnabas is trying to "fly" down and catch him/her. Could this person be Josette? I realize it doesn't look like her, but at full-speed the image might not need to be a perfect replica of the actress. Who, other than Josette, would fall from Widow's Hill?
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Yes a blond David. What was I thinking unless the color is off. Yes it could be Josette. But it is hard to tell. I do agree that the scene could be Widow's Hill.
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i guess it could be anyone, really.
it's seeming like a totally new story. new precedents are being set. vicki was certainly never institutionalized before. angelique never owned a cannery.
it ain't HODS.
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it ain't HODS.
And thank heavens for that!
Though as I said before, in a capture that I didn't post, it definitely looks like the person is wearing pants (later on I'll convert it into a jpg and post it).
And speaking of the previous captures I posted, right now I'm going to edit that post to use jpgs - and I'm going to make it so that larger version of all the captures (1000X562) are easily downloadable...
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Yup, looks like Dark Shadows to me! Thanks, MB!
(I got a happy tingle when I saw the mini-trailer!)
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Those are fab captures. Much better (for me) than actually watching the little trailerette which flew by way too fash.
Thanks, MB!
G.
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Popping up on Youtube as expected. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7jhH2n6Mos
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JOOOOYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't wait for Thursday!
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Vicki in a straightjacket is possibly a nod to Maggie's time at Windcliff...?
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on the picture of barnabas rising from a coffin...
it looks like it's in an otherwise ordinary bedroom. not a basement or a crypt. and we're still not hearing about an 'old house'.
does he have a bedroom at collinwood with the coffin somehow concealed?
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As Phil implied, perhaps the character of Vicki in the film is actually a composite of both Vicki and Maggie from TOS. That would explain the scenes of Vicki in the assylum.
Someone else (Micheal?) mentioned the coffin in what appears to be a bedroom Perhaps more evidence that the family (in the film) is aware of Barnabas being a vampire and allows him to take refuge in the mansion. That is a "take" that will be hard to swallow for me.
As others have said, this doesn't seem to be a comedy. I was trying to find words to describe the style of the production, and really came up empty. Would you call it -- traditional? exaggerated? fantasy? Creepy? I certainly would not call it realistic. Exaggerated gothic. How's that?
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there does seem to be something of a composite character happening with vicki...
but it's important to remember that the reason for maggie's institutionalization was her brutal kidnapping and imprisonment at the hands of a very evil barnabas.
here we've been lead to believe we won't really be seeing "evil barnabas". angelique is the story's villain.
so there would be no reason for vicki to be institutionalized in that way. perhaps a jealous/manipulative julia had her committed?
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There seems to be a bed next to his coffin. Maybe he is sharing a room. I hope the family doesn't know his secret. That would ruin it for me. I'm also guessing a jealous Julia locks up Vicky.
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A new DS promo from ABC-TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVVbzaVkDIw&feature=youtu.be
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STRANGE IS RELATIVE! [snow_cheesy]
It's so great to see something very akin to Seaview on ABC again! Wooo!
Thanks, jimbo!
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I like the new stills that are showing up, and that trailer so far looks good. Cannot wait till Thursday. Better yet, May 11.
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Feels to me like it has that Tim Burton flavor (that is to say, bizarre and unsettling, the juxtaposition of the real and the unreal, perhaps a touch of surreality) while looking like Dark Shadows. I cannot WAIT.
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OMG is that the end of this week's ep of Once Upon A Time?! I have that recorded on my DVR but I've fallen behind watching (so what else is new) and I haven't seen this week's ep yet.
If so, I see more screen captures in our future. [snow_wink]
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Love the glimpse of Roger and Julia! HBC really looks like she's channeling Grayson in that shot.
Fun!
G.
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I LOVE the way that the announcer says "DARK SHADOWS"! They are really marketing this thing all over TV. Since it's paired with Once Upon a Time, I am thinking "Gothic Fantasy" is a good description for this "new Tim Burton film," at least I hope that the final product looks as amazing as these stills/previews!
Oh and thanks for the stills, MB!
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MB I think it is. I read the IMDb board pretty fast where the link was originally posted.
Yes Cousin_Barnabas. Nice catch. "Strange is Relative" indeed. Gothic fantasy is good.
Am I in denial? It seems the family most likely knows BC's secret with the way he appears to them.
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I am so excited!!! I have from the very beginning tried my best to keep an open mind and open heart about this Dark Shadows project. And after seeing the promo from Ellen and Once Upon Time I feel like my optimistic attitude has prevailed!
We should be thankful that a major hollywood star loves this 45 year old series and is bringing new LIGHT and attention to our BELOVED show. Let's face it fandom is not what is used to be and if the Deep movie brings a new generation to any of the Dark Shadows projects then my heart is overjoyed!! I will always be grateful to the 1991 series for bringing me to Dark Shadows. Obviously, Deep loves Dark Shadows to a point that he pushed to do this project. We should be tickled that we get to see it on the big screen once again.
I am also excited to see that the trailer seems to promote the dark aspects of the movie.
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Not the clearest, but..
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julia is wearing sunglasses at the breakfast table...
that must be SOME hangover she's nursing. OUCH!
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I'm really interested in the credits of this film. And since the images we have of the trailer's title slide are a bit blurry, I have transcribed the information below. So if anyone else is crazy like me, you don't have to strain your eyes to read it.
JOHNNY DEPP
A Tim Burton Film
Based on the television series created by Dan Curtis
Story by John August and Seth Grahame-Smith
Screenplay by Seth Grahame-Smith Directed by Tim Burton
Strange is Relative
May 11
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We'll have high resolution screen captures before long. But I have to convert my DVR's file to a format my video clip creating software can deal with first. Then I'll see what I can get. [snow_wink]
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MB I do like your new Avatar. Nice.
Thanks Sara Monster for the screen captures and CB for the credits transcription.
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Well, I went to the screening. And they didn't let me in. Oh well. But someone else I know did! [snow_smiley]
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I'm liking what I see so far! The visuals are great.
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We'll high resolution screen captures before long.
Well, strike that for the time being. The YouTube clip is not from the end of this week's OUAT ep because it went right from the credits to Desperate Housewives. And I checked all the other ABC shows that I've recorded so far this week, and it's not on the ends of any of them. But somehow I'm sure it will pop up again at the end of something on ABC. And when it does, I'll be recording. [snow_wink]
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Well, I went to the screening. And they didn't let me in. Oh well.
Well, considering you're not in the age range, I'm not surprised they didn't let you in. But I applaud your effort. [snow_cheesy]
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Wait a minute - the high resolutions captures are back on. The promo ran 39 minutes and 37 seconds into tonight's Body of Proof ep, which I did record.
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Wow! It appears that the long wait was worth it. This looks genuinely creepy. And the scariest thing is Victoria Winters. Just why is she in that strait jacket? For her own protection? Or to protect someone else? Can't wait to find out more.
And thanks to everyone for putting this stuff up for us to drool over.
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ShadowGram reported that the trailer IS going to debut in theaters this weekend "in conjunction with" 21 Jump Street, which opens Friday.
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21 Jump Street sounds like a horrible pairing... Ewww... No wonder they are upping the comedy angle. And it's not even from Warner Bros... Weird. They should launch it with Hunger Games.
Anyway, this Tweet from an hour ago:
javad shahriar:
Just saw dark shadows go see it when comes . Very unique
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BREAKING!!!!!!!!
OMG! THE WEBSITE IS UP:
http://darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com/
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(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/261.jpg)
Here they are:
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And actually, Collinwood look very much like Burton's conception with multiple towers...
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"Very unique" (per the tweet) is good!!
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I absolutely LOVE the tagline.
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This has been a really exciting day for DS fans!
Thanks everyone for posting the news.
Special shout out to MB for the Body of Proof tip.
I read your post as the show was on the air, so I rushed over and turned on my VCR to record it.
It sounds like they are going to show the full trailer during Once Upon a Time on ABC Sunday.
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Here's the background image from the website.
Maybe you can use it as wallpaper.
(http://darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com/images/background.jpg)
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THE WEBSITE IS UP
I do like how they've made their own version of the cast photo out of mostly other photos.
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MB, thanks so much for those images! They are breathtaking!
Midnite, I totally agree! Another Tweet calls the movie "amazing."
Ronny, thanks for sharing the background image!
I have lightened MB's image of Collinwood. It brings out some more details:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/dslight.jpg/
And another tagline for the film appears to be: "Every family has its demons." That one is showing up on Twitter with direct links to the website.
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21 Jump Street sounds like a horrible pairing... Ewww... No wonder they are upping the comedy angle.
Films and trailers don't have to be of the same genre to be paired together. I've seen plenty of trailers for dramatic films paired with comedies and vice versa, as well as romantic comedies paired with action films and vice versa.
They should launch it with Hunger Games.
That would have been nice. But I have no idea how things work when trailers from one studio are paired with a film from another. Perhaps Lionsgate wouldn't allow DS to be paired with it...
Anyway, this Tweet from an hour ago:
javad shahriar:
Just saw dark shadows go see it when comes . Very unique
I agree with Midnite that "very unique" is good. [snow_wink]
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I have lightened MB's image of Collinwood. It brings out some more details
You beat me to it because I was going to do the very same thing just to see if any details showed up. [snow_wink]
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I went to the preview screening even though it was full, figuring that if I got in line early enough with my ticket, I just might get in.
And I did.
We all had to sign non-disclosure agreements, however, so I cannot comment on the comedic aspects of the film in any way. Instead, I will link to random youtube clips that are completely unrelated to DS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcJTbgt1N8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhehfTx3aOA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0YLLkr7VfU
I suppose it's OK to discuss what I heard other people saying about the movie, if not the movie itself. The gentleman who introduced the picture referred to it as "A Gothic, humorous, off-beat film." Many people laughed frequently throughout the movie. As people left the theater, I heard some complaining that they were confused about the story and disappointed with the film overall. The audience didn't seem to know what to make of it.
For my own part, I thoroughly enjoyed the first 20 minutes, but became progressively disillusioned as the movie went on and left feeling very discouraged. It's a very good looking movie with several terrific performances (though not necessarily from the stars you might have expected). However, it is definitely not DS as we know it. Granted, this was an early cut of the film, but I don't know how it will be received by a mainstream audience, let alone the fan base.
ProfStokes
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Films and trailers don't have to be of the same genre to be paired together. I've seen plenty of trailers for dramatic films paired with comedies and vice versa, as well as romantic comedies paired with action films and vice versa.
Oh, I know. I still remember that Dictator trailer before The Woman in Black... And, if anything, it made me want to see the movie less... [snow_cheesy]
You beat me to it because I was going to do the very same thing just to see if any details showed up
Great minds! You can still go ahead and do it. I just uploaded the lower-res version, because ImageShack is fussy if you don't sign into an account.
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PS, thank you for sharing. I am disappointed in hearing that. I do not know what else to say at this point. I am sure I will have a better opinion when the trailer comes out.
Therefore, I am just going to list the first part of the credits for the film as per the website, since again it's hard to read:
Warner Bros Pictures Presents
In Association with Village Roadshow Pictures an Infinitum Nihil/GK Films/Zanuck Company Production A Tim Burton Film Johnny Depp "Dark Shadows"
Michelle Pfeiffer Helena Bonham Carter Eva Green Jackie Earle Haley Jonny Lee Miller Chloe Grace Moretz Bella Heathcote
Music by Danny Elfman...
There's more, but I think that is what most people are interested in. There is also a bit about the soundtrack album being available to purchase, but I can't make out what it says...
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Thank you ProfStokes for the hints about it. It does leave me with mixed emotions. I was more optimistic previously.
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Well.... huh! I love each of those movies you referenced, so I'm not disappointed by those. If it's heavily comedic I might be disappointed, but then again, I might not. Guess I'll have to wait and see.
Will you see it again ProfStokes? To see the theatrical cut?
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Oh and one more question if you don't mind, do you think the laughter stemmed from the material actually being funny, or from misunderstanding of the material itself, and did YOU find it funny?
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I know someone who saw the film as well. He liked it. He had seen the original DS, said the film was very different but enjoyable. He would not comment further for the same reasons ProfStokes could not.
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Thanks MB, Ronny G, Cousin_Barnabas for taking the time to upload the photos to the board.
Thanks ProfStokes for the post. I assume the audience had to complete a survey at the end of the movie so maybe TPTB will adjust accordingly.
Thanks Nancy. That is encouraging.
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I hesitate to mention this because who knows if they are or aren't really violating the agreement they signed, but several people took to Twitter after the test screening to say how much they liked the film. Two even specifically said something to the effect that they couldn't wait until the film actually comes out so that they can go into detail. And at least two of the people are fans of the original show because their names are familiar to me (from back when I was following Twitter closely while the DS film was shooting) as people who have frequently tweeted comments about original series' eps.
Interestingly, no one tweeted negative reactions - at least not that I've seen. Though it may just be that people with negative reactions don't think they can tweet about them. Who knows? But regardless, the positive reactions are encouraging...
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Thanks, MB. A fellow fan and friend was also going through Twitter late last night and early this morning looking for comments from others who attended the test screening and told me the same thing - the comments were mostly positive. I did not see the tweets myself.
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Admin Note:
Three posts were split from this topic and switched to "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers" because that's where spoilers are to be discussed. We please ask that no links to anything by people violating their non-disclosure agreement, regardless of whether they're pro or con of the film, be posted to this topic. [snow_smiley]
Thanks,
MB
(Also, please check to see if someone has already posted a link before posting it again. Yes, I've said that it's better to have something posted twice than not at all. But when links are posted so closely together in the same topic, well...)
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Sorry, MB - I think we have a different take on what constitutes spoilers, and as a spoilerphobe myself I had not checked the spoiler thread. Apologies for the duplicate info.
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What I wrote here was really more of a preemptive strike than anything else. The real issues involved are discussed in reply #81 of "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers." And we would greatly appreciate it if everyone reads that post before discussing any of the spoilery things that may show up on the Internet regarding the test screening.
And thanks again. [snow_smiley]
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Many thanks, Amanda, for your thoughts. I am glad you got to attend the screening.
It's good to read thoughts from a bona-fide DS fan who is known to me. The review I read on another site wasn't written by a DS fan.
G.
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First off, thank you to everybody who provided information (links to the trailers, screen captured pictures and opinions on the rough cut) about the movie yesterday. Reading all of this this morning reminded me of how I felt as a kid opening presents on Christmas morning.
I was struck by a thought. If you had told me five years ago that two vampire movies that would be released in 2012 would include one titled Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter and another titled and based on Dark Shadows, and then you told me one was intended to be a comedy, I would have believed you but would have been completely wrong about which film was which. In keeping with my Christmas morning analogy, I'm afraid I may end up being disappointed in my biggest gift despite my initial enthusiasm after the initial novelty wears off...
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At this point I don't think much can be done in terms editing the movie based on what the test screened audience had to say. For example, if the majority of the audience didn't like the comedy or it wanted more horror elements added, TB can't truly change the film that dramatically. Secondly, will TB even listen to what the test audience has to say? I don't think the studio can force him to make changes. But then again I don't know how this industry works.
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The small amount of feedback I've seen on the Depp discussion boards from attendees of the screening has been extremely positive- I haven't even noticed one negative comment. So perhaps those who think that the film may not play as well to DS fans as to other audiences may be right on. Hmm. I will say that as someone who straddles the line between both worlds, I, too, woke up a little disappointed this morning to hear so many mentions of how funny it is. Don't get me wrong, all along I've been fine with the use of humor in the film. I've probably said here many times already (so apologies for repeating myself) that both Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd, both Depp/Burton films, have a lot of humor but are definitely *not* comedies, and the latter in particular is very, very dark. However, I don't want to be laughing all the way through the film, whereas fans who are less familiar with DS may be fine with that.
It's strange how just yesterday, seeing the brief glimpses of the trailer had me feeling so pleased, because I thought the look and the tone was perfect. But now I'm a bit concerned again. I'm just hoping that for me, anyway, it may just be a matter of adjusting my expectations a little bit, and I'll probably still enjoy the film. I do understand where some of you are coming from, though.
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The situation of editing based on test audience response varies from film to film. The studios can force changes in some cases. But If a director has clout, that's less likely. And if the director has final cut written into their contract, then they have final cut regardless. Plus we have no idea what the consensus of the test audience is anyway. On the one hand we have what ProfStokes wrote and what she said she overheard. But then we also have the people who laughed and seemed to enjoy it and the favorable remarks on Twitter and Depp boards.
Possibly the film may just turn out to be a love it or hate it prospect with very little opinion in the middle. But then, that can be said of a lot of Burton's films, so if it does turn out that way, we shouldn't be surprised. [snow_wink]
Personally I'm still keeping an open mind. That doesn't mean I'm turning a blind eye to what some have said. But I want to see the film for myself before I form an opinion.
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You speak for me as well. I didn't know what to think when I read one of the links. It all comes down to individual perception. I did not see SWEENEY TODD but I loved SLEEPY HOLLOW for its horror and its well-placed humor. The humor wasn't spoofing the story, just the natural sort of humor that happens in life even in very tense circumstances. Waking up two centuries after your supposed death must certainly be an alarming experience, especially if your dietary requirements are very unusual and difficult to acquire, never mind getting used to an entirely different world and vernacular. There's plenty of humor to be found in these circumstances and that's what I expect to see in the film. I'm more curious now than ever.
Nancy
Hmm. I will say that as someone who straddles the line between both worlds, I, too, woke up a little disappointed this morning to hear so many mentions of how funny it is. Don't get me wrong, all along I've been fine with the use of humor in the film. I've probably said here many times already (so apologies for repeating myself) that both Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd, both Depp/Burton films, have a lot of humor but are definitely *not* comedies, and the latter in particular is very, very dark. However, I don't want to be laughing all the way through the film, whereas fans who are less familiar with DS may be fine with that.
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I am glad the spoliers topic is the one getting a little spicy and not this one! I have been stuck in this thread for years, and this is where I plan to stay until our journey's end.
Nancy, thank you for sharing your friend's thoughts. That is very encouraging. I also have read several positive reviews.
Now here's some news about the "preview"... I figured I should post it here, because it includes some VERY good news that I hope translates into the final film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/thread/196194903?d=196194903&p=1#196194903
And then there is this publication doing something on Shadows...
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/total-film-magazine-issue-192-1/dark-shadows
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Thanks for the heads up on Total Film, Cousin_Barnabas. I need to do some errands tonight, and conveniently there's a Barnes & Noble in the vicinity of where I'm going. I'll definitely have to check to see if the issue is in yet or, if like Empire, it won't be available in the US for a few weeks yet.
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Thanks for the heads up on Total Film, Cousin_Barnabas. I need to do some errands tonight, and conveniently there's a Barnes & Noble in the vicinity of where I'm going. I'll definitely have to check to see if the issue is in yet or, if like Empire, it won't be available in the US for a few weeks yet.
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In my experience, the UK publications don't get here to the US until about 3 weeks later (it may be sooner if you live in NY or LA, but I'm in the DC suburbs). It's worth a chance to stop by B&N, though, if you can- you never know! There have been a few times when I've REALLY wanted a UK mag, and been able to buy it on eBay. Even if it takes a week to send from the UK, I have the peace of mind of having it and not missing it at the local bookstore, especially since my closest bookstore used to be Border's, which has now gone under (the building is vacant, at the moment). But it may not be practical for most people to use eBay, factoring in the postage expense. Anyway, I add my thanks to Cousin for the heads-up!
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I have to say, I did laugh at the image of Barnabas bowing at the table before what looks to be an Eggo waffle and a bottle of Mrs. Butterworths. What culinary delights!
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If TB & JD had told us from the start that this was going to be a comedy I think reactions would be very different for fans of the OS. We were told just just days ago that it wasn't a comedy, well maybe a couple of weeks ago. At this point I can just see those two laughing at the fans of TOS. They "punked" us all.
That said, I'm a fan of "Young Frankenstein" and if this looks like that I may still go see this. Mel Brooks always said he was/is a fan of the original Universal horror films. And it showed in YF. If it looks like "Scary Movie" or "Airplane", no thanks. This time tomorrow we all will have seen the trailer and may know why it took this long to release it.
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Hey, what gives with the trailer release time on the official movie site? I could have sworn that when I went there this morning I calculated the release time as being about 5:00 Central time on Thursday. Now it's looking like 8:00 Central time. [snow_mad]
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Just for the record, Seaview has two towers.
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Hey, what gives with the trailer release time on the official movie site? I could have sworn that when I went there this morning I calculated the release time as being about 5:00 Central time on Thursday. Now it's looking like 8:00 Central time. [snow_mad]
Yesterday, it was 4 p.m. Now it is 6 p.m. And it varies by time zone as well. But I am sure as soon as it breaks on the East Coast, the rest of the nation will have it with some help from Youtube, even before Ellen airs in a lot of places.
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I finally read the HorrorHound interview of Tim Burton. I am not at all comforted by his words. It seems he is seizing on the unintentional humor as the vibe he wanted to capture for the entire movie. The problem is IMO is that TB wants to make this movie intentionally funny. For the most part DS was never intentionally funny. TB references his memory of the show on how all the actors were very serious about their roles. Now it seems he wants to take the unintentional comedic elements of the original show to a new dimension. I think the comedy goes beyond BC adapting to his future. In fact in the Fangoria interview the writer Seth says he was approached by TB and JD (after John August's script) because they wanted to take DS in a different direction. I think we know what that direction is. It is true that we won't know for sure until we see the movie but is does look for the time being as more of a comedy than a Gothic horror movie.
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No Total Film yet. [snow_sad] But then I wasn't really expecting it yet.
And yes, Seaview has two towers. Though the film's Collinwood has at least three (at least one of which starts halfway up the building - those kind have a name but I can't think of it now [snow_undecided]) and possibly even more if we can judge by Burton's conception drawing.
And as for timetable on the Web site, who knows what's going on with it? [snow_rolleyes] But since it refers to Apple, I'm presuming it's counting down until the trailer is available for viewing on an iPad and/or an iPhone, no?
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I'm pretty sure this magazine reference was mentioned already but anyone attending the WonderCon tomorrow can get a free copy of the Hero Complex magazine featuring the world exclusive only American journalist Dark Shadows set visit. http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/14/wondercon-fans-watch-for-free-hero-complex-magazine/
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After reading stuff here and on the spoilers thread, I'll reserve my judgement until I see the film (oh, god, to spend seven bucks and that's for a matinee). As I posted in times past, I was skeptical that it would ever be made. First, they talked, talked, talked about making it and nothing every happened because Depp had to go off and make fourteen other movies first. Then they said that they got a screenwriter and what he came up with was rejected, and then they got others, and that was all rejected, and meanwhile Depp had to go off and make seventeen other movies first. Then they got a script, but - wait! - Depp was committed to nineteen other movies first. Finally, they booked a studio, but they had no other actors or actresses and Depp decided to make twenty-three other movies first. I said I wouldn't believe it would ever happen until I was finally sitting in a theater (after paying my seven dollars, and no way was I going to pay full price for an evening showing - people like me who work with disabled children and barely get minimum wage and have to decide "am I going to pay to keep the heat on this month, or have car insurance" don't get a lotta leeway in spending money).
Well, I guess I'm going to get the chance (if I can scrape together the seven bucks - for me, that's three days' worth of meals) in around two months. And now it's the debacle as to whether or not it's the vision of the original. Is it a horror film? A comedy? A horror-comedy? Maybe a documentary like The March of the Penquins? What is it? Is Michelle Pfeiffer too young looking to be the matron of Collinwood? Shouldn't she have a beehive? Or a shorter cut like Jean Simmons? Carolyn as a tween, rather than as a 20-something vixen? Victoria looking like she just stepped out of a convent school? Barnabas looking like an extra from Jerseylicious? Like all DS fans, I have my pre-set ideas about what the concept is all about. I like some of the ideas that have been mentioned before, such as Barnabas having to deal with 18th century concepts in a 20th century world. I stated before that I always had problems with DC's rapid allowance of Barnabas, after just a week-or-so, quickly adapting to 20th century life. Would Barnabas (at Willie's teaching) be able to know how to work a zipper or tie a pair of Thom McCann's? So some of the ideas are good and sound, even if they are presented in a comical manner. It would be funny and there's nothing wrong with that. If DC would've thought about logic and consistency, that would've been an added dimension to DS.
So I'll wait. I'll start robbing Peter to pay Paul now so I can see it. I'll eat lots of peanut butter to save on my grocery bill. Lot of good protein there. After that, I'll add my commentary to a new thread that will obviously be created once it comes out. That is, if I have strength enough after malnutrition. Depp and Burton, you'd better make this worth it. I'm cranky when I'm hungry.
Gerard
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I'm pretty sure this magazine reference was mentioned already
The article was mentioned - but not as appearing in a magazine because the tweet from the 2nd never mentioned the magazine.
If the article doesn't appear online, how the hell are we supposed to get a copy of the magazine? [snow_undecided]
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I'm not sure. The LA Times publishes it. Good question.
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If the article doesn't appear online, how the hell are we supposed to get a copy of the magazine? [snow_undecided]
My question exactly!
Thanks for the link, jimbo! I was wondering where this set visit had disappeared to...
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If you can't get the issue of Hero Complex at or around the Convention (I believe it begins Friday and runs through Sunday), additional copies are going to be available in several comic outlets. That's according to the LA Times.
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Thanks, Midnite. I guess we will have to track it down online...
For those of you who are curious, someone somewhere on the Internet mentioned that last night's screening did not have the final music score... Therefore, anyone curious about Cobert's music, such as myself, will just have to be curious a little longer. [snow_angry]
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I was just intimately studying the cast photo on the movie website. First, I think it's interesting how everyone's skin has such a pale color, and I find it interesting which feature of each person they decided to make mo vibrant.
What I found particularly intriguing is that in studying the body language and facial expressions of each character, Carolyn is the only one who seems sad and perhaps even frightened, just from the look on her face and how she is holding her arms, kind of closing herself off. Meanwhile everyone else either looks mad/evil, uppety, or just plain snarky.
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Will you see it again ProfStokes? To see the theatrical cut?
No; I have no interest in seeing this movie again.
Oh and one more question if you don't mind, do you think the laughter stemmed from the material actually being funny, or from misunderstanding of the material itself, and did YOU find it funny?
I think the audience was genuinely amused. I smiled and laughed at certain things too. Some of the dialogue, particularly interactions among the family members, was funny. There's a montage of sight gags that was kind of cute. One character has a very sarcastic personality that made for enjoyable comic relief. However, I thought that the level of humor was uneven, and many of the gags felt overdone and ham-fisted to me. I thought certain jokes were run into the ground by repetition. Everybody's sense of humor is different though. I prefer witticisms and irony to buffoonery or sex jokes (I would never watch The Hangover, which is an incredibly popular comedy franchise nonetheless) so my tastes may not be refelctive of the majority.
ProfStokes
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Now I am starting to put things together... even before the trailer is released. This is very interesting... I think I will enjoy some of it, but other parts (which I have feared since the early descriptions of the trailer) seem to be out of the realm of what we traditional DS fans like. But who knows... my speculation could be completely wrong, and they may change the film considerably by the time it hits theaters. One can hope that we get the best possible product in the end. There's still time. Again, thanks for the insight, ProfStokes.
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Thanks for the reply ProfStokes!
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They should launch it with Hunger Games.
You called it, Cousin Barnabas. ShadowGram reported that the trailer will also screen this weekend prior to The Hunger Games.
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That is great news, Midnite! Thanks for sharing!
I hope that marketing effort will attract a sizable amount of The Hunger Games audience, which should be quite plentiful. Now we just have to hope that the final film is good, so these new fans will be able to enjoy DS much in the same way we all do. [snow_smiley]
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That is great news, Midnite!
Indeed it is.
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At this point I'm glad the title logo is different and I hope Robert Cobert's music is no where to be found. I hope we don't have a series of DS comedies, therefor I hope this movie doesn't even make it's trailer's budget back. Oh, and I'm pretty much done with Depp/Burton.
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Okay, first off, NEW PICTURES!
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, the original source (http://johnnydepp.forumcommunity.net/?t=50161013&st=45#lastpost) gave me a number of warnings from Norton, so I'm also gonna give a 2nd source:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/190716234316441/
where they have been reposted.
And would advise against visiting the first link.
I love this first one:
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http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/422073_10150717033585479_652175478_11649717_1796580534_n.jpg
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I haven't read any descriptions from the original source (hightailed it out of there as soon as I got the first Norton warning) but I'm guessing these HAVE TO BE from the trailer:
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but that "Strange is Relative" tagline sounded very familiar to me. I just recalled that a very similar tagline, "Weird is Relative," was used for the '91 Addams Family movie. Since the new movie looks to be more Addams Family than Dark Shadows, that makes sense I suppose.
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Not that I've looked at them yet, but if those are screen captures, they could quite possibly be from the trailer. I was just over on Ellen's Web site to see if the show airs earlier than 4pm on any stations, and it does. In fact, at this hour it's already airing on 4 stations (2 in Pennsylvania, 1 in North Carolina, and 1 in Mississippi) and will air on another 3 in the next hour (another in Mississippi, 1 in Michigan, and 1 in Louisiana). So, beyond any screen captures, it'll be interesting to see if anything pops up on YouTube or elsewhere before the rest of the country gets to start seeing the show this afternoon.
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Thanks for all the links, Sara! I am firewalled from Facebook during the day, and I dare not click the first link, but I appreciated being able to see the photos for now. Mostly very cool!
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MB, you did more research than me, but I was thinking the same thing. I checked my own listings, and Ellen airs at 3 where I am, and even though I can't watch it, I was thinking that the show must be on in the morning in some areas, and that once it airs, it'll probably be all over the net! So, I'll be checking around this morning (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/avatars/smilies/waiting.gif)
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Well, now that I've seen them, I'd say that if the entire trailer shows the DS logo throughout, as the short clip we saw in the Ellen promo does, those photos probably aren't screen captures from the trailer. But certainly the one of Burton directing Eva Green isn't.
Who knows where they may have come from? But I love them! Some are truly amazing looking! [thumb] And anyone who wants copies had probably best get them ASAP lest there be another situation like the one with that Brazilian Web site. [snow_wink]
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Another thing I just noticed...
In the preview stills we have (presumably from the trailer) and the short preview that was included with the "tomorrow on Ellen" clip yesterday, WHY is Barnabas coming out of his coffin during the day? Has he been cured by Julia, and just prefers to sleep in his coffin anyway? There's a lot of sunlight streaming through the window directly behind him.
Also, one of the new stills that Sara Monster posted, makes it pretty obvious that [spoiler]there is a fire at Collinwood at some point during the film. Perhaps this is Angelique's way of getting back at Barnabas? Locking him back in his coffin, as we can assume from another picture, and then setting the family home ablaze?[/spoiler]
I'm as intrigued as ever.
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WHY is Barnabas coming out of his coffin during the day? Has he been cured by Julia, and just prefers to sleep in his coffin anyway? There's a lot of sunlight streaming through the window directly behind him.
Suddenly I'm reminded of the daymare scene in Dracula: Dead & Loving It.
"Willie, look at me! I'm drinking wine & eatin' chicken!" [snow_grin]
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Thanks, Sara, for making an album for those photos. Excellent work!
I remember thinking when I saw the first cast photo that it looked a lot like the Addams Family, and lately I keep thinking of The Munsters too.
I am reminded of a line uttered by Maggie Smith in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie: "For those who like that sort of thing... that is the sort of thing that they like."
I do have to say that the art direction in these photos is by and large stunning. It makes one mourn for what might have been.
G.
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Thinks Gothick, but I made no album on facebook. I'm just passing along the info/links. [whisper]
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I do have to say that the art direction in these photos is by and large stunning. It makes one mourn for what might have been.
That is precisely how I'm feeling about these pics Gothick. I suspect the sublime visuals will be the one saving grace in the film.
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Thanks so much Sara Monster!
Finally some pics of Vicki!
These shots are GORGEOUS. I am so excited to see the trailer later!
Also:
[spoiler]GHOST OF JOSETTE! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[/spoiler]
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the pictures are absolutely stunning...
it's amazing what can be deduced just from looking at a few stills. who's IN certain pictures and who is NOT.
with no planned sequels(yet)i'm thinking not everyone in the cast gets out of this alive. look for the clues.
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Beyond the absolutely stunning look of the photos, one thing that I found interesting is that it looks as if Angelique had dark hair in 1772. Apparently she's a peroxide blonde in 1972. [snow_cheesy] And sort of the opposite of the whole Angelique/Cassandra twist of the original show.
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KMR - I hope you're right.
Well, by saying I'm hopeful, what I really mean is that I'm keeping all my fingers and toes crossed! [snow_smiley]
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Beyond the absolutely stunning look of the photos, one thing that I found interesting is that it looks as if Angelique had dark hair in 1772. Apparently she's a peroxide blonde in 1972. [snow_cheesy] And sort of the opposite of the whole Angelique/Cassandra twist of the original show.
Yeah, I noticed that and think it's appropriate, because I seem to recall bottle blondes being quite popular at that time [snow_tongue] And just from the photos, which may darker than what we'll see, Bella's hair seems a little darker than I thought it'd be, too.
Anyway, I've just checked around and don't see any sign of the trailer yet-- has anyone caught it on Ellen, yet??
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Actually, I'm cursing the end of Oprah because in my area Ellen used to be on at both 9am and 3pm. But when Oprah ended, Ellen moved to 4pm, Oprah's old time on both stations.
I do find it a bit odd that nothings seems to have popped up yet. But maybe in the states I mentioned where Ellen has already aired all the people who might be likely to post something online are all at work outside their homes and they won't see it until they watch their recordings later.
On the other hand, I'll try to post something as soon as possible after I see it. That's the advantage of working at home. [snow_wink]
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despite the fact that we've now been basically told that the film is a comedy i'm amazed at how UNFUNNY most of these stills look.
other than barnabas and mrs.butterworth at the breakfast table it really looks creepy and gothic. i'm so confused. [snow_huh]
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Well, the sound is awful, and I'm sure a better version will be available soon, but here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFiWGzXkeBk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFiWGzXkeBk)
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Well, the sound is awful, and I'm sure a better version will be available soon, but here you go!
So, obviously a lot of what Sara Monster graciously posted the links to really are from the trailer. And yes, the quality of that video is terrible, but that's what comes from videotaping it rather than recording it directly, which I'm presuming they couldn't do. But we will have a much better version later today. [snow_wink] As well as more high resolution screen captures...
Thanks for posting the link, madscntst. [snow_smiley]
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Having watched the video a few times, it's apparent, to me anyway, that the tone of some of the lines that seemed quite off-putting in the descriptions of the trailer are actually not as funny as those descriptions would have lead one to believe. Though that's certainly not to say there's no humor in the trailer.
And also, the clip where Barnabas says he is a vampire definitely seems to be from a different scene than the one in the dining room. Though we'll be able to tell that better once we see a better version.
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I just realized that in that trailer there's nothing of the cutting of the chain/the coffin shaking. Who knows what other version they used in Ellen's promo...
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Having watched the video a few times, it's apparent, to me anyway, that the tone of some of the lines that seemed quite off-putting in the descriptions of the trailer are actually not as funny as those descriptions would have lead one to believe. Though that's certainly not to say there's no humor in the trailer.
And that's exactly my problem, MB. I didn't laugh once during the trailer. What I saw wasn't Dark Shadows... And since it wasn't funny, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. The trailer just has me boggled personally. And it's going to take some time to form an opinion on it. My only observations: Somehow I think I may have enjoyed the John August script more. I know this is just a trailer and not reflective of the whole movie, but I didn't enjoy it... and I really wanted to.
Thanks to everyone for everything. I will watch the official trailer and maybe walk away with more observations later.
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On the other hand, I liked the trailer much more than I liked the descriptions of it. I don't honestly think a lot of the stuff that seemed in the descriptions to be played for laughs are necessarily meant to generate laughs. And I think parts of it definitely look like DS. But maybe that's just me.
Though like you say, we'll get a much better idea once we see a better quality version of the trailer on Ellen later...
Somehow I think I may have enjoyed the John August script more
Don't forget, though, that John August's version of the script was the first one to be described as funny.
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And these are probably the best lines in the movie! The best line was the last one in the trailer. It is a pitiful parody of the original series. It also seems the family knows BC's secret. JD looks like a clown. I saw nothing of Jonathan's Frid's Barnabas Collins. Does JD have to be flamboyant in this movie! This movie should be rated more like G.
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I don't get parody by watching this, jimbo. It's just a very different tone. Much of it has to do with Johnny Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer actually. And that's odd to me.
I watched it again. The first few seconds are really Dark Shadows. The embody it. The rest... I'm just not sure. Having watched it again, I find some of it kind of funny. And I think my problem is a combination of a couple things:
1. The music set a completely wrong tone for me. (I know that isn't what the movie sounds like.)
2. I'm not used to Barnabas acting like this or responding to situations like that. Frid was such an intellect (even though some of his observations were wrong! [snow_cheesy]), such a gentleman. Cross was a gentleman, and captured Barnabas's rage very well. And Depp seems to be... I don't know. But it's different. And that is something that isn't just in the trailer. I can tell it's going to be a running gag in the movie.
Some other observations:
1. I want to know who falls from Widows' Hill.
2. Johnny Lee Miller and Chloe Moretz look to have the best performances.
3. The whole relationship between Barnabas and Angelique looks awkward, weird and uncomfortable. And I'm not just talking about the tongue, though that really freaked me out.
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- Though I will add that Eva Green brings something to Angelique that I liked. I just can't put my finger on it.
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The music set a completely wrong tone for me.
Yes, I don't understand the choice of that song either. As odd as it seemed when I first heard about it, The Doors' People Are Strange *might* have been a better choice.
- Though I will add that Eva Green brings something to Angelique that I liked. I just can't put my finger on it.
I can honestly say I liked quite a bit of what I saw when it came to the performances. But, yes, Eva Green was really quite interesting. But then, I've been watching a lot of her past work and I've come to find her fascinating...
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Thanks, mdscntst! Unfortunately, the trailer confirms my worst fears. It might have a somewhat gothick-y look, but it just isn't Dark Shadows. At least not to me. The alleged comedy (like "tiny songstress") wasn't funny. And what suspense can there be if everyone knows Barnabas is a vampire?
Cousin B, I agree with you about Depp's Barnabas. He is not at all a gentleman and isn't even trying for intellect. As for the falling shot, it looked to me as if Depp launched himself from Widows Hill and then took wing. Not sure what we're supposed to make of the Barnabas-Angelique relationship.
And here I thought the excesses of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings were awful. Burton-Depp tops them all.
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Wow, that was fast. Warner Bros. just took the trailer off line.
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Actually, that's not a surprise. In fact, after I had watched the linked video that madscntst gave us, I noticed on the right hand of the page there was something else that said it was a DS film trailer (though unlike the one on Ellen it featured the green band). However, when I clicked on it, all that came up was a message from the poster saying that he/she keeps posting it and Warner Brothers keeps having it taken down. (You'd think they'd learn not to keep posting it.) Also, it wasn't the same trailer as is being shown on Ellen because the time was listed as 1:26.
So, considering all that and this latest take down, perhaps it would be best if I didn't put up a video of the trailer. At least until we see it showing up elsewhere and staying there...
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Maybe Warners will have the trailer on their website. If they ever get around to actually LAUNCHING it, of course...
The trailer, from what I could make out of it, seemed very much in line with what I had come to expect. A Saturday Night Live skit on DS. Complete with "Superfly" on the soundtrack.
I'd say much more Munsters than Addams Family... the comedy, on the original Addams Family at least, was a lot more subtle than this.
G.
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It certainly is weird.
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The Web site is still counting down. It'll be interesting to see what happens there once that countdown reaches zero.
And nothing I saw in the trailer reminded me of a Saturday Night Live sketch. That show tends to go for broad and over-the-top humor and nothing I saw struck me as broad or over-the-top humor at all. But again, maybe that's just me. [snow_wink]
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I just saw the trailer before the link got yanked.
I love it. I didn't know what to expect and it took me back for a few moments. I laughed out loud in my office at one line in particular involving horses and chevys. I can see where the situation-driven comedy would work well and not detract from the horror aspect of vampirism and the curse. Of course, we won't know just how well that works until we see the movie.
I really liked the trailer.
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It is interesting to see everyone's various reactions to the trailer. Some don't like the humor, and some don't find it funny *enough* (I guess in terms of, if it's going to be a comedy, it might as well be funnier). I really would rather see a higher quality version before I make a final opinion, but I am falling more in line with MB's and Nancy's opinion. I may not like it quite as much as Nancy, but my reaction was more or less relief, after hearing the feedback from the screening.
I like humor, and I am fine with most of the humor that was displayed in the trailer. Maybe one or two things seem over the top/silly, but that happens sometimes, when I see a film where I like 99% of the lines but roll my eyes at a few and wish they were cut. But to me, the tone is more of what I wanted (ie., Sleepy Hollow/Sweeney Todd) where there are some laughs but it doesn't seem like it's going to be ha ha laugh-track funny at every moment. I feel that there will be enough thrills and chills to satisfy me- at least I hope there will!
As for Barnabas' line "I'm a vampire, madam." As a few have pointed out, here, we don't really know who he is saying this to. Maybe the whole family does know. Or maybe he's just talking to Angelique. (Or Dr. Hoffman). Just a thought.
I'm still not as happy as I was a couple of days ago when we saw the first few seconds on Ellen's preview, but I'm happier than yesterday. I do understand and sympathize with those who are disappointed.
Oh, edited to add, I meant to say that the music in the trailer may not necessarily reflect what's in the film.
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As for Barnabas' line "I'm a vampire, madam." As a few have pointed out, here, we don't really know who he is saying this to. Maybe the whole family does know. Or maybe he's just talking to Angelique. (Or Dr. Hoffman). Just a thought.
I suspect he's talking to Julia. But we shall see.
I meant to say that the music in the trailer may not necessarily reflect what's in the film.
I don't think it does either. I'm presuming it's simply for the trailer.
And BTW, it looks like once again Ellen used a different edit to promote that the trailer is on today's show because it featured the quick edits between Victoria and Barnabas rising, yet that's not in the trailer that will be shown later in the show. And there may also be another bit that isn't in the trailer. At least I don't recall seeing it. But then the version on YouTube was awfully dark. (Ewan McGregor is coming up first).
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Note to self: Don't get so excited. Theatrical releases are commonly quite different, even in tone, from rough cuts, trailers etc. Calm down, take a deep breath, watch ED WOOD. Everything's gonna be all right.
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IMHO they wanted the trailer to be funny it just wasn't.
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Apparently the trailer will be featured at the end because Toby Keith has been on and now Drew Brees is on.
Also, there may have been a slightly longer bit of a scene in one of the commercial bumpers. At least I don't recall seeing Carolyn with Barnabas or hearing The Carpenters sing prior to him taking the back off of the TV. But we shall see...
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Should have waited to post - the trailer is up next. And the TV scene bumper was shown again...
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if one looks closely when barnabas announced "i'm a vampire" he's seated before a fireplace...not at the breakfast table. the shot is just edited to make it look like he announces it to everybody.
if i could guess elizabeth knows. and julia. but nobody else.
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I have to say I enjoyed the trailer much more now that I could actually see it. [snow_wink] And the TV scene is indeed in the trailer.
Shortly I'll post some high resolution screen captures, but I'll limit them to things that wasn't already in what Sara Monster posted the links to...
if one looks closely when barnabas announced "i'm a vampire" he's seated before a fireplace...not at the breakfast table. the shot is just edited to make it look like he announces it to everybody.
if i could guess elizabeth knows. and julia. but nobody else.
That's my feeling too. And I loved the scene of a clueless Mrs. Johnson making the bed while Barnabas hangs upside down from the bed's canapy. [snow_cheesy]
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incidentally it is getting HIDEOUSLY ugly out there.
i've already been told off royally because i don't hate this trailer.
the next few months are going to be absolutely excruciating in this fanbase. anyone who doesn't hate this had better go into the federal witness protection program because "real fans" are going to come and kill you otherwise.
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MTV's review http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1681161/dark-shadows-trailer.jhtml
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Odd. I don't understand how someone can review a trailer which is all about enticing audience members to see a movie. Typically, the trailer creates surprises and intrigues you don't actually see in the movie.
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While my DVR file is converting I thought I'd post a few more thoughts:
I LOVE Collinwood - both inside and out!. So, so Gothic. And it's amazing how they seemlessly blend the set with the CGI.
Not only is the scene where Barnabas proclaims he is a vampire not the same scene s the one in the dining room - he isn't even wearing the same clothes.
Whatever you may think of the TV scene, it's an absolute hoot just to see a TV at Collinwood.
We were wrong because it definitely is a woman falling, so it probably is Josette.
incidentally it is getting HIDEOUSLY ugly out there.
i've already been told off royally because i don't hate this trailer.
the next few months are going to be absolutely excruciating in this fanbase. anyone who doesn't hate this had better go into the federal witness protection program because "real fans" are going to come and kill you otherwise.
I'm willing to go into protection. At least I could possibly have you, madscntst, Nancy, the two DS fans from Twitter, and MTV's John Mitchell for company. [snow_wink]
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Interesting review. I couldn't see much of what was described in my one viewing of the off-broadcast posting of the trailer.
The description of Angelique's tongue makes me think of something out of "Death becomes her."
G.
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Brewing up some very vile curses as I type this... one for Timmy and one for Johnny. ;)
It started out good but it took a leap off Widow's Hill right after that. I mean, Barnabas brushing his fangs in the mirror with no reflection? It's like a bad Robot Chicken sketch!
The visuals were gorgeous, but the tone was way, way off-base.
I've already made my feelings about the trailer known on Facebook, but I will wait until I see the film before giving my final verdict. As of now, I am very displeased with it.
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I will bring my code block program with me so I can ask you questions about writing code, which I am just starting to learn to do. [snow_grin]
I understand we all have different perceptions, tastes and vary in how traditional we are when it comes to all things DS. When it boils down to comments like "you aren't a real DS fan" when voicing a differing view, that's when the bitch slap board has to come out in the hopes of knocking sense into such folks. [snow_wow]
I'm willing to go into protection. At least I could possibly have you, madscntst, Nancy, the two DS fans from Twitter, and MTV's John Mitchell for company. [snow_wink]
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PD - we differ on our view of the trailer but I admire the way you voice your disappointment and still hold onto waiting to see the final product before forming a stronger opinion one way or the other.
I hope to enjoy the movie but I realize that I may not even though I liked the trailer.
Nancy
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Well, I may not care for the new movie, but I would never tell somebody s/he "isn't a fan" on the basis of they like it and I don't.
I have already had disagreements here about the 1991 and 2004 remountings with people near and dear to me. The disagreements have not affected my friendships with these fellow fans at all. I like to think that we can be friends and still have our own opinions about things. I hate the enforced conformity of "love me, love my eye candy" (or however you choose to phrase it).
The idea of fans hacking out little police states where you agree with them or face the firing squad on Twitterpate and Facebook is beyond ridiculous. These people really have wayyy too much time on their hands.
G.
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If it wasn't a "Dark Shadows" movie I would feel very different about the trailer. I could maybe even like it. This may not be a bad movie but it isn't "Dark Shadows". One could call Young Frankenstein a Frankenstein movie but if I wanted to watch a Frankenstein it would be my last choice. If I wanted to watch a great Mel Brooks movie it would my first choice.
I may go see this movie. I may even buy it. But when I want to watch Dark Shadows, it won't be this.
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Don't get me wrong - does the film seem in its entirety like the film I would have dearly wished Depp would have made? Uh, no. But am I willing to keep an open mind and consider the possibility that I can actually enjoy it for the film that it is? Yes. And I'm also keeping mindful that the trailer is only 2 minutes and 24 seconds of the film, but even at that, there are definitely true DS moments in it - and there are likely to be true DS moments in the vast majority of the footage that I have yet to see. So, I'm definitely not willing to write it off yet...
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Exactly. Open the newspaper, turn on the news and see what real problems are. Well said.
The idea of fans hacking out little police states where you agree with them or face the firing squad on Twitterpate and Facebook is beyond ridiculous. These people really have wayyy too much time on their hands.
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Thankfully, since that first link is dead, looks like someone else just uploaded the trailer,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTZ3zmFmwuA
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Same here. I don't want to watch a film with one gag after another, even if it is situation-driven humor. Two hours of watching Barnabas cope with the 1970s would not be very interesting to me no matter how realistic his confusion may be. The OS Barnabas did employ tongue-in-cheek humor on rare occasions and only then because the writers didn't give him much chance to be even that funny. I can handle this kind of humor in our vacillating vampire and in the movie itself.
As I have said before, we have all seen previews on DVDs about other and upcoming DVDs and at the movies saw trailers for other movies. Then we see the promoted film and realize things in the trailer or preview were taken out of context and what we are now seeing is different from the preview. I have no doubt we will experience some of that when we see the film in May.
Don't get me wrong - does the film seem in its entirety like the film I would have dearly wished Depp would have made? Uh, no. But am I willing to keep an open mind and consider the possibility that I can actually enjoy it for the film that it is? Yes. And I'm also keeping mindful that the trailer is only 2 minutes and 24 seconds of the film, but even at that, there are definitely true DS moments in it - and there are likely to be true DS moments in the vast majority of the footage that I have yet to see. So, I'm definitely not willing to write it off yet...
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I just caught the trailer on TV with my Mom and my sister and we were all laughing through it, I think it looks brilliant! I can't wait to see the movie!
I've got reasons for thinking this works a lot more than others may think, but I don't think I'm going to sway anyone with them, so you can add me to the list of people that thinks this movie looks like a lot of fun.
I told my Mom that I was worried this movie was going to cause a real schism in the fandom, which I hope isn't true. We can all agree to love the original series together, something I think is getting lost as people take sides.
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People thought that might happen with the 1991 Revival series too but no such schism occurred. There will always be people who liked and disliked the revival, the two DS movies from the 1970s, and then this upcoming DS movie. In the end, nothing changes the fact the DS that brought us together in the first place will still be standing.
nancy
I told my Mom that I was worried this movie was going to cause a real schism in the fandom, which I hope isn't true. We can all agree to love the original series together, something I think is getting lost as people take sides.
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I didn't know we were taking sides. I don't know about the rest of the fans here but I'm just giving my opinion of this movie. If we have to take sides I'll take the right side.
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Jonathan Frid will see the trailer tomorrow.
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Thanks Nancy, that's a good point! DS is something we're all obviously passionate about.
I just hate how internet anonymity makes others (no one here, I'm relying on hearsay elsewhere) feel that they can say things to people they never would face to face. I mean, I've only been to a few cons, but I've never heard anyone get into a screaming match over the superiority of the original series over the 91 series or vice versa. It's terrible the internet breeds that kind of behavior.
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I watched the trailer today and it seemed to me like a comedy.
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Yes, I agree with you. We sometimes forget there are real people, like ourselves, on the other end of that screen.
And there are and always will be fans who will take changes in the new DS movie (compared to the OS) as a personal affront. Not even the super bitch slap machine can remedy that. [snow_bigglass]
I mean, I've only been to a few cons, but I've never heard anyone get into a screaming match over the superiority of the original series over the 91 series or vice versa. It's terrible the internet breeds that kind of behavior.
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Received this on my phone:
gkfilms @gkfilms
The trailer for Tim Burton's #DarkShadows starring Johnny Depp has just hit the interwebs: http://bit.ly/wK4fje
7:55 PM - 15 Mar 12
And BTW, the high res caps have been delayed due to technical difficulties and the fact that I need my computer to do some other things - but they will definitely be posted later tonight. [snow_smiley]
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Guess this counts as the first official poster art:
http://trailers.apple.com//705/us/media/galleries/wb/darkshadows/DarkShadows_1sht_720.jpg
edit:
and trailer in HD!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTjD3rV27Go&feature=youtu.be
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I would say that that is definitely the poster. Thanks for posting the link, Sara Monster. [snow_smiley]
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See the one-sheet and view the trailer:
http://thefilmstage.com/trailer/tim-burtons-dark-shadows-trailer-featuring-johnny-depp/
Richard
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I'm on the fence about this. There are moments when I think, "They nailed it!" and moments when I think, "They ruined it!" It looks great, and the 18th century scenes strike me as grand drama. But the more humorous moments just don't do it for me. Not that I object to the use of humor in the film. It's that I find those moments far too jokey for my tastes. (I'm sorry, but that fang-brushing bit is lame!)
I'm not nearly as excited about the movie as I once was, but I'm curious to see how the disparate elements will come together (or if they do come together). The film cannot be judged by the trailer because there are moments when unrelated scenes are cut together to create a particular effect. For example, when Julia says, "Who the hell is this?", Barnabas's response ("I am a vampire, madame.") is clearly from a different part of the film.
I still intend to see it on opening day and will go into the theater with an open mind, hoping for the best.
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will go into the theater with an open mind, hoping for the best.
Which is exactly how those of us still interested in seeing the film should approach it. [snow_wink]
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I'm going to be uploading screencaps from the HD trailer.
You can access the image index here:
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/caps2012/
until I make an index page.
When I'm done, there will be 77 total.
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EW's take of the trailer: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/03/15/dark-shadows-trailer-johnny-depp-laughs/
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Access Hollywood featured about 45 seconds of the trailer on tonight's show - however the entire trailer is on their Web site.
On the other hand, Extra did a whole segment which featured much more of the trailer, a clip from the original series, and a short interview with Depp. And because of the latter I'll upload that as soon as I get the chance. [snow_smiley]
I won't see Entertainment Tonight until after midnight...
56 days 3 hours 9 minutes 46 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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For example, when Julia says, "Who the hell is this?", Barnabas's response ("I am a vampire, madame.") is clearly from a different part of the film.
Especially since there's another clip a little later when Julia says "Is she for real?" It appears the "she" in that line is very possibly the person she's referring to in the earlier line.
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EW's take of the trailer
And another thumbs up. [snow_smiley]
(Though apparently he doesn't realize that the "I am a vampire" shot is from a different scene. [snow_rolleyes])
56 days 3 hours 4 minutes 7 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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will go into the theater with an open mind, hoping for the best.
Which is exactly how those of us still interested in seeing the film should approach it. [snow_wink]
That's still what I'm planning to do, although I cannot deny the fact that I'm frightened. [snow_shocked]
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Thanks so much for sharing your screen caps, Sara monster! They are wonderful.
My biggest complaint about the trailer right now is that when Barnabas pulls the plug on the TV, Karen Carpenter still seems to be on the screen?! [snow_tongue]
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Have to say, Barnabas looks so young and so cute in his pre-cursed state! [snow_kiss]
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My biggest complaint about the trailer right now is that when Barnabas pulls the plug on the TV, Karen Carpenter still seems to be on the screen?! [snow_tongue]
I don't think he pulls the plug out - I think he just pulls the back off. [snow_cheesy]
56 days 2 hours 54 minutes 27 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Okay, everything is all uploaded & displayed in thumbnails:
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/caps2012/
Notice anything funny here?
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/caps2012/0033.jpg
Me thinks Barnabas prefers another form of transportation than cars. [snow_cheesy]
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Hollywood Reporter another thumbs up I believe. I'm sure it will be correcting the stated May 25th release date. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dark-shadows-trailer-johnny-depp-tim-burton-300814
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I was afraid the film would be less about what fans love about DS and more about how cool Tim Burton is, and if the trailer is any indication, it looks like that may in fact be the case. But I'm not nearly as upset as I was afraid I'd be. I've had a while to ready myself for it, and I feel pretty optimistic.
I've heard it said about the '91 revival that a large part of its failure, for those who don't find it appealing, was Dan Curtis's strict adherence to his original vision, and his unwillingness to try anything really new or different with the series.
I tend to agree. If for no other reason than that any attempt to "do" DS again is useless. DS was so much more than the sum of its plots. It was the product of a specific time, a specific place, and specific people.
Phil said it beautifully:
I...absolutely love the crazy edge of the show's "live on tape" energy, up to and including the bloopers and mishaps. Those elements are inextricable from what I love about the show, and it's why nothing's ever gotten it "right" - not HODS, not the 1991 version, not the 2004 pilot. The original series can never be duplicated, so to me hoping they "get it right" is an exercise in futility.
So why shouldn't the next incarnation of DS be a departure? It could be wonderful.
We're probably going to get a restored NODS and HOSD on DVD/Blu-ray, the complete original series is coming out with an edit or two restored, who knows what else is in the works. Things could be worse.
I'll take DS directed by Tim Burton starring Johnny Depp over no DS at all any day.
[ghost]
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I hate what they did to my Dark Shadows. Burton, you ruined it. It should be creepy not goofy.
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Saw the trailer a few hours ago and I'm still in utter disabelief at what I watched. I rewound and watched it a few more times, and I still can't believe it.
It'd be hard to imagine a worse way to redo Dan Curtis' Dark Shadows than to turn it into a lame and unfunny spoof which is what Tim Burton and Johnny Depp have clearly done. I don't know what's more shocking... Depp and Burton (who claim to be DS fans) thinking that doing it as if it was "The Addams Family" or "The Munsters" was the way to go... or that a number of the original cast members agreed to do cameos in it (they can't have known they were doing a film that mocks the show like this does, and must've been blinded by Depp's movie star status)... or that Dan Curtis Productions agreed to license the show and let it be made into a joke. It's beyond disapointing to see what they've done with the late Mr. Curtis' brilliant, dark, gothic saga. Tim Burton's Dark Shadows is an embarassement and is to Dan Curtis' Dark Shadows what "Love at First Bite" and "Dracula: Dead and Loving It" are to "Horror of Dracula" or Dan Curtis' own excellent version of Dracula. A spoof that mock's the original source material and vampires in general. What a waste.
I have absolutely no interest in seeing this goofy film.
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It could be really cool if someone with skills photoshopped the new DS logo onto a plain black background and uploaded it.
[ghost]
A black and white version would be cool too.
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This is what Chloe's brother just tweeted apparently based on the negative feedback about the comedic look of the trailer.
Trevor Duke-Moretz@TrevorDMoretz
fear not ppl, there is a lot of dark and creepy in #darkshadows, WB had to make a trailer that appealed widely, the film is brilliant
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Good to see you posting again, Maggie Babe and hornet!
Count me among the (smallish?) group that was excited by the trailer. I think it looks like great fun.
Angelique says, "Love me!" and I do-- everything about her: Her looks, her moods, that car, and the one movie scene that I've anticipated the most-- her spell, which we now know includes a blonde lock added to a bubbling cauldron. Eva Green is amazing.
Hopefully the bathroom mirror scene will go. Please?
So why shouldn't the next incarnation of DS be a departure? It could be wonderful.
Agreed!!
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Hopefully the bathroom mirror scene will go. Please?
Me too.
Sucks.
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I'm in that small group with you, Midnite. Fun. Fun. Fun.
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NOTE: This is now the 3rd time I have created this post. I don't know WTF is going on with my computer tonight, but it keeps getting deleted. As such, this will be severely condensed compared to the previous versions.
At first I didn't like the trailer, but upon several more viewings I enjoyed it very much and am now looking forward to the movie more than ever. As others have stated, we have to remember that the trailer is often not what the actual movie will be in tone. Trailers are meant to make people want to see a film, and if they portrayed this movie as being dark, dreary, and moody no one would want to see it. It must appeal to a broad audience in order to make money, which is the ultimate goal. So, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the actual experience of the film is much different than what we have just witnessed today.
Things I didn't like about the trailer are as follows: The bathroom fang brushing scene. It's just TOOOO overdone. I mean, really, I expected more from this group than a retread of something we could find just anywhere. I also am not buying the sexual chemistry between Depp and Green for some reason. They fight very well, "Place your perfectly formed lips upon my rear and kiss it repeatedly," is a classic Barnabas line if I've ever heard one. Hopefully its turns out different in the actual film and I don't find myself forced to sit through a movie attempting to believe that these two are meant to be lovers.
My two favorite characters thus far are Angelique and Julia. Angelique, when written correctly, transcends time and actress, and I think the filmmakers have achieved that here. Green is a superb choice to play her. Likewise, Julia is probably my standout character from the trailer. Her "Who the hell is this" and "Is she for real?" lines made me laugh out loud. I think she's going to turn out to be the crazy Aunt who is intelligent if not whimsical.
Finally, I'm putting my two guesses out there for the characters who are going to die. I think they will be [spoiler]Roger and Vicki.[/spoiler] Just based on the trailer and the pictures that have already been released, I feel as if this is a good guess.
Also, is it confirmed that Heathcote is the actress playing both Vicki AND Josette? If so, she looks strikingly different as Josette.
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I just watched the original series episode where Barnabas is having dinner with his "Josette." It was beautiful, poignant, and suspenseful. And as I watched it, I became very sad thinking that this trailer is what has become of the beautiful, dark, romantic tale I have loved my whole life. If I hadn't watched that episode, if I hadn't seen Jonathan Frid, if I hadn't heard that music box, I'd probably be okay with this. But, in all honesty, I'm really not now. And I feel kind of betrayed that two original series fans could be okay with making some of these scenes as part of a project called "Dark Shadows." I get it if it's Dark Shadows: The Comedy. But, it's called Dark Shadows and it credits Dan Curtis as its creator. And as much as he held back the progression of the show with his persistent vision, I feel that it was for the best if the failed efforts were going to look anything like this trailer.
If this trailer is not an accurate reflection of the film, if there are more legitimate, true-to-the-original moments in the film than the cheap comedy, I will take back everything I said and feel. But, right now, it's pretty hard. I never thought I was one to take Dark Shadows extremely seriously. I have laughed along with the show a lot. But the main emphasis of this trailer is quite unnerving, to say the least.
I respect everyone who enjoyed this trailer and your opinions. But, I just had to express how I feel. And I hope that the final film looks a lot more like the scenes cut in-between these comic bits than the silly sex scenes. I love 1772, any clip with Bella Heathcote, and I found many of the Barnabas jokes enjoyable, but, the Angelique-Barnabas sex stuff, the toothbrush scene... It just doesn't come remotely close in tone to the original. And I'm not okay with how far they have taken it. Like I said, this is just how I feel. And I hope we will have another trailer that comes out to make me rethink everything. Right now, if this is a reflection of the film, though... I'm very disappointed.
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NOTE: ...this will be severely condensed compared to the previous versions.
See if you can finally post the whole thing, your thoughts are always good reading.
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Has anyone else noticed the following about the characters in the picture on the movies website:
1. Carolyn's hair is blowing VERY gently, as if a breeze is present.
2. Angelique's dress sparkles, and she winks at you.
3. Victoria's eyes move to the right to look at Barnabas.
4. Barnabas' eyes look down towards the logo.
5. Elizabeth's waist broach sparkles.
That's all I've noticed for now.
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See if you can finally post the whole thing, your thoughts are always good reading.
Thanks! I will try to do that either later tonight or possibly tomorrow evening. I'm sure I'm going to watch the trailer at least a GAZILLION more times between now and then.
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Victoria's got Carolyn's hair-flip? Is that what that's called? I like it.
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I absolutely love the trailer for Dark Shadows! I love the juxtaposition of dark and light. As for whoever thought the line "REVEAL YOURSELF TINY SONGTRESS!" wasn't funny I have to disagree! I literrally laughed out loud! I thought that was hysterical! I am so looking forward to watching this movie. I am so excited to to watch a new version of Dark Shadows that isn't a rehash of everything that has come before. As you all know I came Dark Shadows through the 1991 version yet I instantly fell in love with the original as well. I personally am glad that I have an open mind when it comes to re-imaginings. When Josette ghost said "He's coming" there was nothing funny about that. It was classic Dark Shadows. I think this will be a great movie and I for one cannot wait to till May 11!
I also am very happy that this will breath new life into Dark Shadows. I know there has to be people out there who like me will be curious about the original and the 1991 version and watch and probably fall in love with both.
I think we should all be thankful that such attention is being brought to our beloved show because I for one want Dark Shadows to live on long after I leave this earth. And I hope that in some small way I have contributed to the legacy of Dark Shadows.....
I also want to say how thankful I am for this board because Facebook can be a nasty place to be when it comes to the new movie. THANKS to Mysterious and Midnite for being such wonderful moderators!
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I'm sure I'm going to watch the trailer at least a GAZILLION more times between now and then.
I can't stop watching it either, ha ha.
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I don't think he pulls the plug out - I think he just pulls the back off. [snow_cheesy]
Ah, okay then, that makes more sense, thanks! (egg on my face [snow_blush] )
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I just watched the trailer from Ellen.
I did not like the choice of soundtrack music they played. I like the songs on their own, but not paired with the images I saw on the screen. It sounded too upbeat for me, and it didn't suit the look of the film.
The cinematography looks beautiful, rich, expensive, and then they play some cheesy Barry White song??? Where's Robert Colbert's exquisite music and grand orchestra?
I don't like the humor, but I found the type of one-liners they showed to be on the sarcastic side which is tolerable.
Unfortunately, the trailer did not make me want to see the film. It's does not look like the type of film I want to see.
I'll wait to read the reviews from people who go to see it, or I can wait for it to come out on DVD.
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Victoria's got Carolyn's hair-flip? Is that what that's called? I like it.
by 1972 the "flip" was decidedly passe. carolyn stopped wearing it in 1968.
so combined with the extremely girlish frocks i'm wondering if it's a deliberate attempt to make vicki look sort of "square"? or overly naive? or otherwise somehow not really "with it".
just thoughts.
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I hope so, mc. Vicky is old-fashioned, traditional, conservative, wide-eyed, slightly naive and maybe square is a good word too. So far, Bella looks great as Vicky.
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I watched the trailer 3 times. I liked it. The scene with Barnabas and the TV is hysterical. We have to give this a chance. Going back to the 19991 remake, I loved it, several of my than DS friends hated that also.I look forward to seeing this.I am very willing to give this film a chance.
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They should consider changing the name to "Light Shadows".
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I guess I'm in the minority who enjoyed the trailer. I was struck by the inspired choice of Deliverance as the movie at the theater in Collinsport, given that it's a story of a group of outsiders coping with a society that they have trouble understanding.
I'd like to echo the thoughts of others about how appalling it is for people to argue over who is or is not a "real" fan. As the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and just because I may or may not like something doesn't make it wrong for others to feel differently. If this movie brings new fans to Dark Shadows and a fraction of them go back and watch the original series or the 1991 revival, I think that's a good thing. What's more, nothing that this movie does is going to change any of the prior art. If your preference is for the original series, it will continue to be available on DVD, streaming or whatever new medium becomes available. In fact, the restored versions of HODS and NODS may not have happened if not for this latest effort.
Maybe the best analogy is the Tolkien movies that Peter Jackson has made. There are plenty of Tolkien enthusiasts who are unhappy with the LOTR trilogy. The thing is, it introduced a whole new generation to Tolkien's works, who then can judge for themselves what they think of Jackson's movies. I guess I fail to see how that's ultimately a bad thing.
I will most definitely see the movie when it comes out. I seriously hope that it lives up to my expectations, and I hope that it is successful enough that it ultimately leads to additional movies. I would prefer to continue to hear stories of the Collins family rather than think that this could be their swan song.
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The scene with Barnabas and the TV is hysterical.
My fiance and I (he also loves DS - and is a second generation fan like me) thought that was hysterical too! I've also watched the trailer over and over....lol
We're not sure how the film is going to be (good or bad,) but we are willing to give it a chance too. :) [snow_smiley]
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It was not my night tonight. First I had computer problem, then I lost Internet access. But finally here are the screen captures from the trailer that I decided to post. And clicking on the link will get you 1920X1080 versions:
The first batch:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/20000390.jpg)
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The second batch:
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The third batch:
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The fourth batch:
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The fifth batch:
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The sixth batch:
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The last batch:
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While I am decidedly displeased with the tone of the film (based on the trailer) and feel it goes against what DS is all about, I would never say anyone who likes it isn't a true DS fan. That's downright rotten and mean-spirited. Even though I'm annoyed with it, I'm still planning to watch it.
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Thanks for the great screencaps MB! I am just loving the look of this movie more and more.
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Notice anything funny here?
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/caps2012/0033.jpg
[snow_cheesy]
There are clearly two bicycles in the room and Angelique appears to be riding a unicycle?
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I forgot to mention that if there's a sequence in the trailer that I didn't include in the screen captures I posted and it's not already covered by the links Sara Monster posted Thursday morning, I'd be happy to post something from it because my software broke up the trailer into its individual frames, so I already have screen caps of every frame of the trailer.
55 days 21 hours 38 minutes 22 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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I saw the trailer from Ellen and am disappointed as far as "our" Dark Shadows is concerned. The fact that both Johnny and Tim are supposedly big fans of the original leads one to expect something more like what we are used to. But, if we put aside our expectations for "Dark Shadows," and just take it that the characters' names and relationships are the same, and that Angelique made him a vampire, but otherwise just take it as a new vampire movie and watch it on its own terms, it could turn out to be good. Seeing this ahead of time, so as not to watch it with the expectation of it being like the series, one can put aside those ideas and just watch it and see what it turns out to be.
I really didn't notice much humor. I suppose one could consider his reaction to television to be humorous. After reading some of the other comments here, I do recall a few "one liners" which are somewhat humorous, but nothing seemed that funny for me to really think of it as full of humor.
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I just watched it again, and I suppose the manner in which they speak to each other and some of the lines could be considered humorous. It's hard to judge without the context of the full movie, but it still seems eerie and dramatic and not simply funny,.
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After watching the trailer a million more times, I have some observations.
As Collinwood is ablaze, the portrait of Barnabas is in distinct danger of burning up. (The portrait above the mantle appears to be that of Barnabas.) Even if Collinwood goes up, I would hope that several important pieces would be saved, namely portraits, music boxes, etc.
Barnabas, Roger, Julia, and Vicki are absent from the scene of the family watching the fire.
Barnabas saves David from the crashing Disco ball.
Mrs. Johnson is going to be a brilliant character. And Julia appears to be quite fun as well.
I still can't say that I like the trailer, but I am more curious than ever to learn about my favorite characters. And I really want the tone of the movie to be much different from the comedic things we see here. There's a lot of drama spliced in between. I hope it overrides the other.
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The cinematography looks beautiful, rich, expensive, and then they play some cheesy Barry White song???
You're the First, My Last, My Everything is a beautiful song. Tim Burton should have done his research. Barry White didn't record it until 1974. Also, the disco ball? That too is a little early.
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Wonderful captures, MB. Thank you!!
Thanks too for Sara Monster!
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You're the First, My Last, My Everything is a beautiful song. Tim Burton should have done his research. Barry White didn't record it until 1974. Also, the disco ball? That too is a little early.
I was wondering about the disco ball, too, because I don't remember them in 1972 (but then again, I wasn't old enough to go to clubs at that time [snow_wink] ). But I looked it up on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_ball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_ball)
As for the Barry White song (and other music), just a thought but sometimes trailer music is different than what's in the film. I agree it shouldn't be used if it's not appropriate to the year, though.
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And I honestly can't say when girls in go-go boots ceased dancing in cages, but I'm looking forward to seeing the film.
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The official youtube channel is up:
http://www.youtube.com/user/darkshadowsmovie
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Anyone notice how comparatively toned down Depp's makeup is in the original ensemble photo?
I also like the various portraits of Angelique hanging in her conference room.
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Saw the trailer a few hours ago and I'm still in utter disbelief at what I watched. I rewound and watched it a few more times, and I still can't believe it.
It'd be hard to imagine a worse way to redo Dan Curtis' Dark Shadows than to turn it into a lame and unfunny spoof which is what Tim Burton and Johnny Depp have clearly done. I don't know what's more shocking... Depp and Burton (who claim to be DS fans) thinking that doing it as if it was "The Addams Family" or "The Munsters" was the way to go... or that a number of the original cast members agreed to do cameos in it (they can't have known they were doing a film that mocks the show like this does, and must've been blinded by Depp's movie star status)... or that Dan Curtis Productions agreed to license the show and let it be made into a joke. It's beyond disappointing to see what they've done with the late Mr. Curtis' brilliant, dark, gothic saga. Tim Burton's Dark Shadows is an embarrassment and is to Dan Curtis' Dark Shadows what "Love at First Bite" and "Dracula: Dead and Loving It" are to "Horror of Dracula" or Dan Curtis' own excellent version of Dracula. A spoof that mock's the original source material and vampires in general. What a waste.
I have absolutely no interest in seeing this goofy film.
I don't know you, but I share your sentiment completely. I have decided to not waist my vacation, money, and energy on attending the premier in Hollywood or when it is released locally. Additionally, I will not attend any DS festival that either Burton or Depp attend (I doubt either would show their face at one now anyway). They have made a mockery of the entire DS series and I in no way consider them to be DS fans.
What I don't understand is how Johnathan has allowed himself to be associated with this.
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I am sure I will enjoy it for what it is. Just a little upset that I had to wait forty years for this. When they cancelled the show it was a void. I was 12. As a kid I was all about Dark Shadows. Fond memories of playing Dark Shadows with my late sister. I was always Angelique...she was either Maggie or Daphnie. This movie as a stand alone might be just fine but it does not fill the void I rememeber feeling when the show ceased production. Guess you can never go back. Sigh. I miss them both.
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What I don't understand is how Johnathan has allowed himself to be associated with this.
Didn't Frid call DS fans "nitwits" in his last sit-down interview? I don't think he holds the show in the same regard as most of us.
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I've been quiet about the new movie - looking to keep an open mind til I saw the finished product before judging. But now that the trailer has been released, I'll put in my two cents....
I have to hand it to Tim Burton for totally surprising me on what looks to be a comedy. To be honest, I was dreading something like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - weird, but not in a good way - more like ick. Or a souped up special effects mess like The Matrix. I was expecting something along the lines of Sleepy Hollow. The trailer looks more like Ed Wood meets Young Frankenstein. Don't get me wrong, I love both those movies - plus I've been spending most of my time here in the captions area - like I did in the old Sci Fi boards lighter side - so finding comedy in Dark Shadows comes naturally to me. But I do it out of love.
The first time I watched the trailer, I was like uhhhh uhhhh uhhhhhh..... just pretty much at a loss for words. After watching it a second time however, I think it might be growing on me. So I just need to get my head around Dark Shadows being portrayed in a humorous fashion. Our club will be attending the premiere on May 11 - even getting new club t-shirts made. So good, bad or indifferent - we'll be there.
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I can't believe he tweeted this:
Chris Mullen
@Darkershadeofme
Check out the trailer for #DarkShadows which I worked on for most of last year..! http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/darkshadows/
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From watching the trailer I think it's a safe to say that Collinwood, it looks like Scoobywood, burns. One could say that this is a PT storyline that leads up to Collinwood of 1995 in which the house was in ruins. That would also explain why this Barnabas isn't smart enough to keep his cool when he sees and TV and ask Willie about later.
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I can't believe he tweeted this
Why? I'm confused. What am I missing? [snow_huh]
55 days 8 hours 33 minutes 58 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Because now all the hate-filled fans can spam him. I guess he is unaware of the rift this trailer caused in the fandom. And while it's Tim Burton's fault and not the trailer guy's, putting himself out there makes him a target of the overzealous.
I knew I could share it here, because I think everyone knows better than to do something like that. [snow_wink] But, after thinking about it, I think you should remove that post in case some people stumble in from the outside. Because there may be some people who could spam him with hate. And I don't want that for anybody.
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Yeah, I think (from what I've heard him say) he really means people who go off the rails. Kinda like what you will see on some boards around the internet when some fans declare they "cried" when they saw the trailer that's how much it upset them. That is a little disconcerting to realize a trailer would drive anyone to that point . . .
Didn't Frid call DS fans "nitwits" in his last sit-down interview? I don't think he holds the show in the same regard as most of us.
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Because now all the hate-filled fans can spam him. I guess he is unaware of the rift this trailer caused in the fandom. And while it's Tim Burton's fault and not the trailer guy's, putting himself out there makes him a target of the overzealous.
But he isn't actually responsible for the trailer - he only worked as a production secretary on the film. Several of his tweets have been posted in this topic. [snow_smiley]
55 days 8 hours 9 minutes 25 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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I was reading it wrong! I thought he said he worked on the trailer last year, not the film! D'oh! Twitter grammar. [snow_cheesy] Thanks for clearing that up, but you may still want to remove his ID in my post... just in case. I'd appreciate it! Thanks! [snow_smiley]
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Why would it be disconcerting? Some people really love the original show, it means alot to them and they were expecting a movie that would honor it. Not a movie that appears to make fun of it. This show is like an old friend to many people. Would you say that about someone that saved a favorite stuffed animal from childhood and cried when it was destroyed? I cried when I found out my mom threw out my movie poster collection and I had just returned from the first Gulf War.
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Trailer is front page news on Yahoo...
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/dark-shadows-trailer-reveals-johnny-depp-vampire-transformation-170715899.html
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What's funny is that I was reading a movie site (with no particular loyalty to DS, Burton *or* Depp) this morning, and the vast majority seem to think the trailer looks great. This even included some who haven't liked some of Burton's recent efforts. So maybe the marketers or whoever is behind this actually succeeded more than we think they did at making a trailer for the masses. Of course, in Depp and DS forums, I am still seeing responses all over the map. I haven't had a chance to watch the trailer at all today, but I am still feeling somewhere in the middle about it, probably liking it more than most DS fans and less than most Depp fans.
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I was reading a movie site (with no particular loyalty to DS, Burton *or* Depp) this morning, and the vast majority seem to think the trailer looks great. This even included some who haven't liked some of Burton's recent efforts. So maybe the marketers or whoever is behind this actually succeeded more than we think they did at making a trailer for the masses.
I suspect they have - especially considering that so far as I've seen the entertainment media Web sites that have done pieces on the trailer have all said it works. And as with every film, the goal always has been to attract as diverse an audience as possible to the film.
55 days 6 hours 38 minutes 31 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Let's face facts, if they say trailers don't work they would end up without a show. These shows are made to promote movies. It's extremely rare, if ever, that they say a trailer or movie doesn't work.
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With adulthood comes perception from having been around, working to pay bills and most likely been around enough to see many unfortunate things near and far. I know that three years of little or no income and dealing with skin cancer did a lot of prioritizing for me. Working with the homeless who have nothing and the Red Cross has opened my eyes over the years. I love DS, a friend I love dearly created the original role of Barnabas but I am not about to get upset or otherwise worked up over how the new Barnabas turns out. I may not like it but I won't lose sleep or cry about it. There are real people with real problems in the world and no matter how much I like a show or actor, in the scheme of things it's not that important.
During my years of little work, I lost my storage shed in auction. It had a treasure trove of things from childhood and personal things. I wanted to cry at first but instead remembered I had bigger problems.
And those who hate the new DS will always have the original to watch
Why would it be disconcerting? Some people really love the original show, it means alot to them and they were expecting a movie that would honor it. Not a movie that appears to make fun of it. This show is like an old friend to many people. Would you say that about someone that saved a favorite stuffed animal from childhood and cried when it was destroyed? I cried when I found out my mom threw out my movie poster collection and I had just returned from the first Gulf War.
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Let's face facts, if they say trailers don't work they would end up without a show. These shows are made to promote movies. It's extremely rare, if ever, that they say a trailer or movie doesn't work.
Hi borgosi, I am not sure if you're responding to my post about positive reaction to the trailer, or to something else. But if it is to my post, let me clarify that I was not referring to a movie site that is related to a TV show or anything other entertainment industry. And it isn't even particularly focused on trailers per se. It is a fan site where movie buffs discuss films, awards potential, box office potential, etc. And these are folks who can be very critical and are not shy about dissing what they don't like (and indeed, a few of the posts thought the DS trailer looked awful, but those posts were the exception rather than the rule. Overall, the response was a lot more positive than I was expecting). For me, it's sometimes interesting to read sites like this because they offer a different perspective than DS/Depp fan sites where we naturally have a bit of a bias.
Edited to add- sorry, I re-read those few posts and realized you were probably speaking to MB. But at any rate, I did just want to clarify my own post.
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Nancy - I have "lost" three brothers, my father, and many friends. My only point is that I don't believe that I have to right to judge how anyone else reacts to something. Some fans may burn their Depp/Burton collection, son may leave fandom, so may cry. Most IMHO will get over it and in time see the movie, at least if they are "real ;-)" DS fans.
I remember when my father died and lifelong friend told me "I know how you feel". I wanted to knock the crap out of him. There was no way he could know. You see my father has Alzheimer's. It was in it's advanced stages. We were happy for him, we had watched him fight it for years. Many people didn't understand why I didn't cry. To me pain is very personal and I'll never question some else's pain or how they respond to it. For some people DS could be more than just a TV show. I know it is for me.
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madscntst - I was mostly talking about MB's post.
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Nancy - I have "lost" three brothers, my father, and many friends. My only point is that I don't believe that I have to right to judge how anyone else reacts to something. Some fans may burn their Depp/Burton collection, son may leave fandom, so may cry. Most IMHO will get over it and in time see the movie, at least if they are "real ;-)" DS fans.
Sure, people have a right to judge and comment on it. How fans react to something I am interested in is something I will encounter on boards and lists. I read it, I will comment on it. People can simply ignore me or not read what I write if they don't like it.
I understand disappointment over a trailer or movie. I have been through that myself. I don't understand crying or similar distress and it does scare me when I read someone has reacted that way because it is an inappropriate response to a trailer or movie based on fiction and fictional characters by an adult.
The creativity behind Dark Shadows has certainly illuminated the imaginations for many of us. That doesn't mean we have to throw out sanity and emotional stability in the exchange.
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thanks nancy.
as always you're a voice of rationality in a conversation that quickly devolves into histrionics.
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Picture it: Philadelphia, 1993. A young man goes to a movie theater and sees the trailer for a film about a 1950s-era juvenile delinquent type whose mother marries a man who, through tough love, teaches the kid to straighten himself out. Impressed by the based-on-a-true-story script, the stellar cast, and positive message, the young man decides to see the film. When he does, he is shocked to discover that the film is about a teenager who is abused by his stepfather.
That young man was me.
The film you probably know as...This Boy's Life.
My point is, let's all try to remember that a trailer does not necessarily reflect the actual film and that we should reserve judgment of the new DS movie until we see it in its entirety.
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Thank you. I'm not trying to be a bitch (not that I have to try that hard) but one of the reasons I have decided to avoid large DS gatherings this year where the film will be the main subject is because of the hysteria I have seen over this stupid trailer. Can you imagine what it will be like when the movie is released if all this shirt ripping is over 20-30 seconds of random clips and sound bites taken out of context?
I think that behavior is more shocking than anything Burton or Depp could do. "House of Dark Shadows" was a major disappointment for me but I don't cry every time it goes on the air. It reflects badly on the series as far as I am concerned. I just don't watch it.
It makes me uncomfortable to be in any confined space with fans of the mindset I have already described. I know they are not that great in number but still . . . it's too scary. Read some Facebook pages for a better idea of what I mean.
I have said my piece about this aspect of fan reaction so I won't comment again on it.
thanks nancy.
as always you're a voice of rationality in a conversation that quickly devolves into histrionics.
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I have decided to avoid large DS gatherings this year where the film will be the main subject is because of the hysteria I have seen over this stupid trailer.
It will definitely be an interesting place, one I plan to avoid like the plague! After reading some of the stuff I have read in the past few hours in other parts of the ether....
Can you imagine what it will be like when the movie is released if all this shirt ripping is over 20-30 seconds of random clips and sound bites taken out of context?
You know how much I would love that! That is why I am hoping for another trailer. I have not given up on the film, but was very disappointed in the approach the trailer took. So, I hope the final cut will be very different.
My main concern about that particular scene is that it really invokes a different kind of Barnabas from (most of) the series. I mean this woman killed his true love, had cursed him to become a demon, and is trying to destroy his family, and that is how he responds? It will be interesting to see the context of the scene in the film. Because, without context, it is a radical departure from the character we know and love (from most of the series). Yet another question I have that I am eager to see answered. [snow_smiley]
But I will say the funniest thing I have seen today is someone going around the web trying to convince others that Tim Burton is basing this off of HoDS, claiming that Burton "would never watch a soap opera"... So I guess Burton is lying in all of these interviews... [snow_shocked] [snow_silly]
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I think everyone needs to step back and take a breath. I, too, was hoping for what "appeared" to be a loyal re-adaptation of the original and maybe this one is a more - shall we say - jocular version. But then again, you can't always go by trailers/previews.
But the more I watch the trailer and it's seemingly turn from the original, the more I like it. It appears to go into things more "real," such as Barnabas' attempt at fitting in with the early 1970's. To me, that makes much more sense than how Dan Curtis handled it in both the 60's/70's original and the '91 remake. We all know, that for the sake of moving things along, in the original logic and consistency were thrown under the bus. For viewers like me who grew up as kids watching it, it didn't seem very problematic (even though I, at that young age, had my many moments when I thought "hey, wait a minute..."). The '91 version, a pale imitation of the first mixed in with a remake of HoDS, was completely illogical. I appreciated the attempt at the update and hoped for its success, but I didn't appreciate how it just mashed things along without a thought to "what if this was really happening?" I never saw the 2004 attempted reboot, so I can't comment on that (although, from the few pics posted about it, it did seem to be more logical, such as Barnabas being a wasted-away corpse when first unearthed since he had been devoid of sustenance for 200 years).
I watched, almost consistenly when I could, the original series when it first premiered on that summer day in 1966 until it ended on that spring day in 1971. I loved it. I put up with its total lack of consistency which even, at that young age, I could see. I never missed an episode of the '91 prime-time remake, which I thought was overblown and totally illogical and I wished it had continued on (d*mn that Iraq war for ruining that possibility, and the owner of NBC who had a stick up his dupa over the show) and I thought that while everyone else had been miscast, Jean Simmons was perfect and held her own against the great Joan Bennett. I'm sure if I saw the 2004 version, I'd have my reservations (along with my acdolades).
Let's face it, folks. Our original DS, while a milestone in television history and unique amongst its kind (how many attempts have their been to try and duplicate what it did by other shows, both daytime, nighttime and on the silver screen?), had it's plethora of problems. Some of the plots stank. Some of the characters/performers did equally as well (how many Roger Davis Fan Club members are there here, as well as Donna McKechnia characters? [although I'm one among the few who thought Amanda Harris and Olivia Corey were simply fine]). And what about all the bloopers? One of my favorite scenes was during the 1967 seance that sent Vicki back and the stunned members of the current-day family stood there in shock, the camera panning back in what should've been a very dramatic scene that filled the whole screen showing the enormity of the drawing room and there it is, right at the top, ruining what should've been a classic moment, that microphone boom prancing about. And don't forget Barnabas and Julia looking through the barred door leading down to the Old House cellar in another dramatic moment, and Barnabas ends up picking his nose. Despite all that it did, with huge sets, a classic Hollywood movie star playing the lead role (Joan), the first-ever orchestrated musical score, exterior film shots, our beloved DS had lots to make fun of, including by us. We do it all the time and still love it, so why shouldn't someone else take what was absurd in our original and come up with something different? Why should we get upset when Barnabas, in this film, become unnerved by listening and watching the Carpenters perform on television? Doesn't that make more sense than having a Barnabas show up at Collinwood in 1967 and apparently, after a few days from being out of the grave, being able to comprehend Don't Sleep in the Subway by Petula Clark or the Barnabas of 1991 getting all flustered over I Wanna Sex You Up by Color Me Badd? Our much loved original DS would've been better if it had shown Barnabas going bonkers over watching a toilet flush and wondering what Angelique-inspired witchcraft had caused that. To have him show up a matter of days at the doors of Collinwood after his release wearing his Robert Hall suit and Thom McCann shoes was utterly preposterious. But leave it to Dan Curtis to come up with that stuff, and yet we loved it. So maybe we'll love this as well. Maybe we'll hate it. I still appreciate the '91 remake, but I can't get over how shoddily it was done (palm trees while it's suppose to be in Maine and all; one would think that the millions NBC gave DC he could've spent a few bucks on graphic deletion).
Dark Shadows, like everything else, evolves. So let's see what this movie does. It can't be any worse than DC's "vision" in his remake, and that, compared to the original, was a pale and multi-budgeted step down. And yet, we watched it, loved it, and wanted it to go on. If I can put up with having Willie Loomis turned into a Stan Laurel buffoon and my beloved Maggie Evans turned into a gin-slinging slattern in the '91 remake, all of it a far version from the original, I can put up with other stuff. Dan Curtis betrayed his original with the '91 remake and allowed opportunity to fly out the window.
So let's again take a deep breath and wait to see what happens. Our original DS was not perfect. The remake didn't improve on it. Yet, we all crave both. (Since the 2004 version is hidden from anyone who doesn't pay tons of money to travel to a festival, there's no point in bringing that one up - most of us ain't ever gonna see it.) Maybe we'll crave this one as well. Besides, I miss lava lamps as shown in the trailer. Now that was an era of tackiness and it made life fun. Hopefully this one will capitalize on that tackiness and we'll all have fun.
Gerard
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I just want to ask a simple question -- Why a comedy?
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Nancy honey, I am so sorry about your loss of that storage trailer. I've lost a lot of things over the years too, but in a much less traumatic way; simply through the detritus of moving about, living on continents thousands of miles apart, etc.
I figured out a solution to what I'll call the enigma of Depp Shadows--it's a parody. Pure and simple. Think about it. It's actually a brilliant strategy for Burton since filming a parody plays to all his strengths as a director. I presume that Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Slayer also has elements of parody (how could it not, with a title like that?) which explains the choice of screenwriter. As with the original DS, the director has his own huge input no doubt.
I feel confident that this film will be a success with teens and twentysomethings, which means WB giving the green light to the full restoration of NoDS and the release of the 1970s feature films on a regular commercial DVD as opposed to MOD. Which was what I personally wanted all along. So, no hysterics from this fan.
G.
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The costumes received a good review and Depp finding his new Jack Sparrow. http://clothesonfilm.com/dark-shadows-trailer-campy-period-blending-costume-fun/25068/
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Let's face facts, if they say trailers don't work they would end up without a show. These shows are made to promote movies. It's extremely rare, if ever, that they say a trailer or movie doesn't work.
I wasn't referring to TV shows like Entertainment Tonight and Access Hollywood - I was referring to places like the entertainment Web sites that have done favorable pieces on the DS trailer. And don't kid yourself into thinking that those sites don't trash trailers and films and TV shows and CDs and books when they don't like them because they certainly do. They're not mouthpieces for the studios and the networks and the record labels and the publishers. Some of the things I've read when they haven't liked things have been real hatchet jobs - enough to make studio/network/record/publishing execs run for the headache medication if not to the nearest window to contemplate jumping out. [snow_wink]
55 days 1 hours 45 minutes 58 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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I posted on the new trailer last nite. I watched it 4 times, and enjoyed it.As someone who still loves the original series, was one of the studio kids, and has been to many ds festivals,I feel that I have to give this film a chance. Trailers sometimes never really tell you what a film will be about. Lets give it a chance. Lots of good can come from this if this film is a success. Like the restoration of NODS, and the release of HODS on Blu Ray and dvd also.As I said, lets give this film a chance.
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"I think I understand now what the new DARK SHADOWS from Tim Burton is up to. It's a celebration of everyone's inner strangeness. Daring new territory for him, so we must give it a chance." - Tim Lucas
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i just thought of all of those new images of barnabas and mrs.butterworth at the breakfast table...
how is it that a vampire is able to appear at breakfast?
in earlier shots of barnabas walking around in broad daylight we assumed he was undergoing treatments with julia(which of course he might). but in this scene he is clearly being first introduced to julia("who the hell is this?")as well as the rest of the family.
hmmm.
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Gerard - I don't think anything about vampires is logical, any vampires.
Nancy - I really don't think anyone need avoid DS gathers. I think to suggest that is just a little over the top. As you say "It's just a movie." I think that if someone doesn't like the trailer they won't go to the movie. No roits, no protest, they just won't go see it. Nothing scary.
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i'm with nancy,
what's happening "out there" is scary. very gross and scary.
i can imagine with all the present unhappiness within this fandom the fest could have a very toxic atmosphere.
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i can imagine with all the present unhappiness within this fandom the fest could have a very toxic atmosphere.
But, really, what fest doesn't? [snow_wink]
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true claude...
the fest always has a slightly unsettling "edge". by sunday i'm always ready to get the heck out of there. [snow_wink]
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Tom Selleck, quoted on IMDb on why he refused a cameo in the theatrical remake of Magnum P.I.:
I tell you what worries me -- because I love "Magnum" and we have
loyal fans -- is they take these TV show titles, and they buy them
and they spend $100 million on special effects, and then they make
fun of them and trivialize it. Then they try to get the actor who used
to be in it to do some ridiculous cameo to prove to the audience
that it's okay. And I will not do that.
Same thing has happened to Dark Shadows.
Richard
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I'm a little bummed that Stokes/Petofi isn't in this one. Patton Oswalt or Jack Black could have nailed a tongue-in-cheek version of either character.
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With regard to Tom Selleck's remarks, the thing is that sometimes things really work out. And what would seem to be a prime example of that is the new remake of 21 Jump Street as a comedy because from what I've seen it's getting rave reviews and doing quite well at the box office. Though, of course, that's no indication of what the original fanbase might think of the film. But then, as with DS, for better or worse the film version probably wasn't made with them as the target audience...
And another thing about 21 Jump Street doing so well is that it means a lot of people will see the DS trailer this weekend. Though only a fraction of the amount of people who will no doubt see it when it plays next weekend with The Hunger Games. And all of that is probably a good thing as far as those of us hoping the DS film will do well goes...
54 days 11 hours 16 minutes 19 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Went to see 21 Jump Street last night and of course the DS trailer was no where to be seen. Good performance by JD though.
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for what it's worth a coworker(who's only familiarity with the series in listening to me prattle on about it)saw the trailer and had an interesting observation...
that perhaps the culture is saturated with earnest, melodramatic and self loathing vampirism. of gloomy/romantic antiheros and their goth-chick girlfriends. that perhaps depp and burton have gone out on a limb and done something that feels fresher. he's excited for the movie.
while it's not necessarily what i expected or thought i wanted the more i watch the trailer the more i like it. try as i might i just can't muster any angst or betrayal. we have...and always will have...our "serious" DS. it's our little gem and cannot ever be replicated. so i'm fine with an amusing take on the situation. other recent "serious" offshoots of the series like the audiodramas are sour and dreary.
actually the first part of the trailer...the "my name is barnabas collins" and the josette stuff look leaden and dull. the later looks more fun. if nothing else the sets and costuming and art direction look fabulous. several of the performances great.
so if i'm not a "real fan" so be it. i'm looking forward to it. last night i watched the trailer 20 times. [snow_silly]
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Given what ShadowGram has reported, that's very interesting, jimbo. I wonder if the DS trailer is actually only playing with 21 Jump Street in certain movie theater chains?
And with regard to some reactions about the DS trailer from friends, I attended a St Patrick's Day dinner with several friends last night, and without even any prompting from me, within two minutes of me joining them one friend mentioned how he'd seen the DS trailer on IMDb and loved it, and then a few others, all female, jumped in that they had seen it on other Web sites or on Ellen and they also liked what they saw. And these people run the gamut when it comes to exposure to DS because, while the one who loved it is still a big fan (owns all the DVDs, goes to Fests, the whole shebang), the others are people who haven't really seen much of the daytime DS since it was originally on but who remember it fondly. So take from that what you will...
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I went to see it at a UA Regal Entertainment Group theater. I don't know about the other chains.
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My apologies. I saw it at an Atrium Stadium Cinemas chain.
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Given what ShadowGram has reported, that's very interesting, jimbo. I wonder if the DS trailer is actually only playing with 21 Jump Street in certain movie theater chains?
Yes, this isn't too surprising, unfortunately. Not every theater shows the exact same trailers before the same movies, though they usually show many of the same ones. I checked on a movie buff site this morning (this site has a "crowd reports" section where they say how full the theater was and what trailers played) and only 2 of the 5 who saw 21 Jump Street saw the DS trailer (but one of them arrived late and only saw part of the last trailer, so it may have played at that theater). So it did show before some screenings but not all. I may be going to see it tomorrow so I'll report back here whether I see the trailer or not.
As for 21 JS fandom, I think it is a little different because most folks realize that the show is a bit dated and that even at the time, it was a little, well, earnest. Also, most are also Depp fans. Most people I know were just indifferent about the movie until it started getting such great reviews, and now there is some interest in it. A small clip of part of Johnny's (and Peter DeLuise's) cameo was leaked a week or two ago, and I have to admit, it was not what I was expecting! So yeah, that is adding to my interest in seeing the film. But if the film had gotten terrible reviews, I think that most people would've just ignored the film.
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i just thought of all of those new images of barnabas and mrs.butterworth at the breakfast table...
how is it that a vampire is able to appear at breakfast?
in earlier shots of barnabas walking around in broad daylight we assumed he was undergoing treatments with julia(which of course he might). but in this scene he is clearly being first introduced to julia("who the hell is this?")as well as the rest of the family.
hmmm.
Julia is actually talking about (presumably) Angelique. Because she follows it up with, "She for real?" in the next scene splice.
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i just thought of all of those new images of barnabas and mrs.butterworth at the breakfast table...
how is it that a vampire is able to appear at breakfast?
In the novel Dracula, Dracula could walk about during the day but his powers were greatly diminished. The film Nosferatu started the myth that sunlight could kill vampires.
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One of the things that I liked about the original series, which is something that seems to be a huge deal (in that it is repeatedly being brought up) is that Curtis skipped the whole "Barnabas adjusting to the 60s" thing and just dropped him right in there. The show was FANTASY. That's why that was possible. It used to be that movies and television belonging to the fantasy genre could tread much more lightly in the real world compared to what we expect today.
Now, even when something is Sci Fi or Fantasy we expect it to be grounded in reality so that we can relate. Otherwise, the show or film doesn't do very well. If the audience can't relate to what the characters are going through on a VERY basic level (because, let's remember, most production companies and film studios believe the audiences to be highly ignorant) then what's the point of making the film at all?
I liked the original series simply because it was different and it was something that you could sort of fall into without much thought. All you had to do was pay attention to what was going on (and half the time you didn't have to even do that) and you were provided with an easy escape from the real world. This would not work today. If DS were remade as a television show, whether daytime or primetime, it would have to be infinitely more realistic for it to do well. Just look at the plethora of fantasy driven shows/movies now:
The Vampire Diaries has characters who are vampires, but one of them is in high school, and that's where the show was rooted in the beginning.
Twilight began with kids in high school. Both this movie and The Vampire Diaries are geared toward that age group. Buffy also began in high school.
Once Upon a Time has fairy tale characters but shows us them in "fairy tale land" as well as in the real world due to some curse the Evil Queen placed upon Snow White.
Even Lost was a fantasy/Sci Fi that began LITERALLY grounded with a plane crash, and explored what the aftermath of that and people being forced to live on an island to survive would be like.
Personally, I don't believe there is any hope that a DS that would even come close to the tone and idea of the original will ever exist. That's not to say that any extension of the brand is going to be bad. But as time passes and people evolve, things have to change. I wouldn't be surprised if this same kind of thing were happening if DS were currently airing or being developed as a television program. It's just something that must be tackled in order for the audience to not completely make Swiss cheese out of the plot holes.
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I never needed to see Barnabas adjust to a new time just like I don't need to see cowboys or cops reload. I always assumed that if Barnabas saw something he had never seen before like a car or TV that he would keep his cool and ask Willie about it when he got a chance.
When I first heard they were going to play for comedy it make me think of Escape From The Planet Of The Apes. That is what we got. I didn't think it was funny then and I don't know. I hope they cut some of the humor out as that was a question on the test screening cards, or so I've been told.
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It will definitely be interesting to see how that pans out - particularly because ProfStokes believed the test screening audience was genuinely amused by the humor.
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I've heard from at least one other individual at the screening who suggested they cut the humor back.
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What Borgosi and Cousin Barnabas have just posted gives me a little hope -- that they might cut-out some of the humor. However, considering the age restrictions for the screening, how many of those people are going to suggest cutting back on the humor? The individuals at the screening may not even remember the original series, and may absolutely love the humor. I feel sad suggesting this, but -- how many of the people at the test screening are likely to suggest removing any of the humor?
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I've been trying to avoid learning any more information before I actually see the film, but I've just watched the trailer anyway. I don't think there is really anything new in it; Depp said a long time ago they were going to play up how Barnabas adapts to life in the 70's, and they've been using the word comedy to describe it for years; people just didn't want to beleive it. I thought two of the jokes were really amusing; regarding Barnabas being 'stoned' and Elizabeth informing him they don't have horses. Even that scene where Angelique rips open her blouse or w/e was fun, and sort of reminded me of a scene in Eating Out 3... But it is a very typical trailer in that jokes and humurous, light moments are edited and emphasized in ways that don't really reflect the resulting film (for instance, it seems obvious to me that they edited in the phrase "I'm a vampire.") I thought it was interesting how Angelique in the 1700's had dark hair, and then blonde in the present; sort of a reverse Cassandra.
I don't really hate the trailer, I wasn't that shocked by it and I still want to see the film. What has always interested me was seeing what they did with the material, how they interpret, adapt, and comment on it. If they didn't make any interesting changes or choices then it would just be another 1991/HODS retread, which I would rather boil my eyes than sit through.
Personally it is my feeling that the original series was on the air long after it's prime, and storylines such as the Summer of 1970 and 1840 were really bad, campy, and cheesy at times. I imagine a trailer could be made emphasizing things like Pansy Faye's dance in the 1897 old house, Prof. Stokes walking down the stairway through time surrounded by psychedelic flashing colors, Quentin and Desmond's "jailbreak" in 1840, etc. that would make it seem like the original series was also never serious.
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You're right, cast members have been saying it was funny from the start. I wish JD and TB would have also. They would tell us it's has some "dark comedy", that they wanted to make vampires scary again, they wanted to keep the tone of the original. If they had just told us the truth we would all be over it by now.
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Dark Shadows movie is first listed as a Comedy at the IMDb website. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
I really enjoyed 21 Jump Street. It was a lot more funny than I thought it would be.
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I just saw a commercial for The 3 Stooges. That is a movie that SHOULD be funny that definitely doesn't look like a barrel of laughs.
Is there any chance that we all walked into the parallel time room?
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Nope, still not liking the tone of this trailer. Here's the thing, even if the wacky antics in the trailer comprise a small portion of the film, that stuff still doesn't belong in something called "Dark Shadows" IMO. Barnabas brushing his fangs in the mirror? Hanging upside down from the canopy like a bat while Mrs. Johnson dusts? Flying around the ceiling of a room with Angelique while they do the nasty like lusty wolverines? *Pffffftttt!* No.
As for things "getting ugly out there," I'm not sure exactly what's being said but I think if folks aren't liking what they're seeing they are well within their rights to express their criticisms, just as fans who like the trailer are within their rights to express their enjoyment as long as they don't put down others. It's all in how you say it. :) I do get the vibe, from the responses I've been getting via email and FB, that a lot of people are disappointed. Some think it's amusing, but the majority seemed turned off by it.
Michael - You thought the opening of the trailer was stale? Really? I thought that part was the most true to the feel of classic DS! Inf act, my trepidation faded as I watched that portion and I was thinking "hey, maybe it won't be a comedy like everyone is saying." Ah well, to each their own I suppose.
Gerard - As Brandon alluded to, injecting too many real-world concerns into a fantasy setting, especially a gothic setting, essentially destroys the feel and mood of that setting. Inserting those elements results in absurdity (i.e. the wacky bits in the trailer). I don't need to see how Barnabas learns to drive a car or where Chris Jennings pees when he's a werewolf.
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Nope, still not liking the tone of this trailer. Here's the thing, even if the wacky antics in the trailer comprise a small portion of the film, that stuff still doesn't belong in something called "Dark Shadows" IMO. Barnabas brushing his fangs in the mirror? Hanging upside down from the canopy like a bat while Mrs. Johnson dusts? Flying around the ceiling of a room with Angelique while they do the nasty like lusty wolverines? *Pffffftttt!* No.
This is exactly how I feel, Penny. I agree with everything you said. But what was even worse, for me, was the idea of Angelique ripping offer her underwear and placing it on Barnabas's face while he is in the coffin! Because I am pretty sure that is exactly what happened. And I was pretty shocked that such a scene could take place in a movie called "Dark Shadows".
Like I said before, I hope that this stuff is quite minimal in compared to the supposed "horror" and "drama" we keep being told about, but this trailer is not reflective of the tone any of us are used to, and I am glad you were able to sum that up so eloquently.
As for things "getting ugly out there," I'm not sure exactly what's being said but I think if folks aren't liking what they're seeing they are well within their rights to express their criticisms, just as fans who like the trailer are within their rights to express their enjoyment as long as they don't put down others. It's all in how you say it. :) I do get the vibe, from the responses I've been getting via email and FB, that a lot of people are disappointed. Some think it's amusing, but the majority seemed turned off by it.
I have seen some pretty disturbing things out there, personally - especially today. And I understand that people are upset, but some have taken it really, really far. Fortunately, that is not the case here or in most places.
Dark Shadows movie is first listed as a Comedy at the IMDb website. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
The final nail in the coffin or just another temporary move until March 30 (supposedly when the second trailer comes out)? We will see...
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Author Susan Hill was influenced by Dark Shadows when she wrote The Woman In Black, published in 1983, and now considered a classic Gothic ghost story.
In case Jim Pierson or anyone else tries to tell you that Gothic horror films don't work today, The Woman In Black has been a tremendous success this year. It opened in February and is still in theatrical release. It is more like a Dan Curtis film from the 1970s than Tim Burton's Dark Shadows. In fact, Burton and his entourage could learn a lot from it about how to tell a story.
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By ridiculing Dark Shadows and turning the film into a parody of the program, Burton and Depp have insured that a straightforward adaptation will never get made. Industry insiders will ever take it seriously again, and neither will the general public.
Richard
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Come to think of it, too bad Daniel Radcliffe didn't play Barnabas Collins in a film directed by -- oh, anybody but Burton. Radcliffe is one of England's finest, a superb talent, and he can act circles around Depp. He doesn't try to be cute all the time, either.
Richard
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hi penny,
i'm not going to get into an abstract conversation about "rights" but i think you're aware of how intense and unpleasant the conversation has become on other unmoderated forums.
it's not enough just to not care for it or even dislike it. it's hated with a virulency that borders on madness. on one board apparently anyone who says they like the trailer is a plant for tim burton. that's not exactly rational thinking, is it?
to paraphrase nancy one can express disappointment without throwing sanity and emotional stability out the window.
we're fortunate enough to post on a board moderated by two sane, reasonable people and in general populated by such. for that reason i only post here and occasionally a couple FB boards but that's it. the bits and pieces i've read elsewhere are too scary.
as far as the first part of the trailer in concerned i think we're just coming from different sensibilities. by nature i'm not a horror person. in fact my interest in DS in general is anomalous. otherwise i'm not remotely interested in "the occult". the barnabas and josette "my darling" stuff just felt stale to me.
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Penny - I like the first half of the trailer and would have loved it if the movie had that tone thoughout.
Anyway it seems that you can pre-order the soundtrack on CD at a discount. I think I want to hear it first.
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I add my thanks to the mods for keeping things sane here [snow_cool] Some of the other sites have gone nuts, and while I'm just a lurker in most of the other places I'm treading lightly. And I'm not even in one camp or the other!
borgosi, do you recall where you saw the soundtrack preorder info? I have been looking on Amazon and haven't seen anything yet (unless I'm searching wrong). I don't necessarily want to preorder it- like you, I'd like to at least hear samples first, which can usually be done before a CD is released, but I am curious as to what will be on it (ie., Alice Cooper, T-Rex, Barry White? Or is it just Elfman's score?)
Edited to add- oh, maybe this is it- I searched music only instead of all departments, and sorted by release date:
Amazon - Dark Shadows Soundtrack (http://www.amazon.com/Soundtrack-Dark-Shadows/dp/B007KL8UW2/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1332077077&sr=1-1)
Though the description is pretty vague so far and doesn't even confirm it's the film soundtrack, and the price isn't really what I'd call a discount but I'm a cheapskate! [snow_cheesy] But I imagine the price will drop by the release date, as often happens. I'll keep an eye out!
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The info I saw is at http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/ I was hoping for more as well.
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Thanks borgosi! So, they describe it as Elfman's score (I do wonder, though, if at least Alice Cooper's part will be included in the soundtrack). I'm still not sure I agree with the "discount" description, though- that's a pretty standard non-sale price! ;)
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Fans, for anyone interested, this notice was posted last night on the Classic Horror Film fans board. By the time I saw it, the podcast was already in progress so I did not bother to post here. There was a notice I saw just now saying that they are going to make Pierson's segment available as a downloadable or streamable podcast on the site, http://www.cultradioagogo.com. The blurb:
8 PM PST / 11 PM EST - We begin our 2 hour segment / open forum on Dark Shadows and the new film which just had the trailer revealed this past week. Dark Shadows community leader / convention organizer / author / new film consultant JIM PIERSON has just agreed to come on our show tonight as well. It should be an interesting night discussing the.. events at hand.
If you get a chance to listen, our DS segment will be on from 8 pm pst (11 pm est) until 10 pm pst (1 am est) and may go over if things get too in depth. You can listen LIVE for free by going to www.cultradioagogo.com (end of blurb)
There was also a post saying that (the rest edited by admin)
I haven't had time to listen to Pierson's segment and I imagine it will just be the usual spin-a-thon. But if anyone does bother to listen, I'd be interested to read your notes.
Best, G.
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i don't think the music used in a trailer even necessarily has to end up in a film soundtrack.
it's just capturing a mood. the barry white tune used in the DS trailer is just heightening the 1970's sensibility for the purposes of marketing.
i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't even end up in the final soundtrack.
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Just making a guess here but I would expect them to release two CDs one with the score the other with songs from...
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i think we should be extremely cautious about repeating a rumor (simply a reference edited by admin).
emotions are heightened enough as it is without incendiary gossip.
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I wouldn't say that that Amazon sale price is particularly good either. Sale prices for single disc CDs in places like, say, Target are normally between $9.99 and $11.99. And they don't charge shipping when you buy in-store.
Changing the subject, I finally got around to creating a video of the DS film's segment on Thursday's edition of Extra. I'm trying something different because I didn't like the quality of the Flash video that I'd created back for January's ET segment, so this time I'm going with QuickTime. The video could play in your browser because it has in several browsers I've tried in both Windows and Linux. But with others your browser may ask you to download the file.
Extra_2012_03_15_19_30_05.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Extra_2012_03_15_19_30_05.mp4) (8.9MB)
In Depp's first segment, I suspect people will find his comment to be quite enlightening. And it really could be that the way they've gone with the film was exactly because they didn't want it to be anything like Twilight. A few years back I theorized that the reason the script was taking so long "to get right" was because they wanted to make it as different from Twilight as possible. But I never suspected that they wanted to make it as different from Twilight *and* the original DS.
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I've removed two references to an unsubstantiated comment apparently made elsewhere. Without a source for the actual comment there's no way of knowing if it was taken out of context or even if it was actually said.
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Well, frankly, regardless of how I feel about the new movie, I think Burton is pretty much hardly to blame--in my own eyes. Given what has been reported here of what they're saying about him and his work elsewhere. I am not on this sites and am blissfully ignorant of all of it--and rapidly losing interesting in keeping up with any of it.
I think Radcliffe would make a great Barnabas, say ten or twenty years down the line. If anybody wants to do DS again after the release and box office performance of the Burton-Depp parody.
If the parody really takes off and does huge b/o, I don't really know that anyone would want to bother doing another take on the old story. but then, who knows?
G.
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considering the blistering reactions nearly everything depp and burton have done in association with this project have gotten since the get go i'm sure they'd like to distance themselves as much as possible from the concept beyond promoting the film at hand. and i'm sure even that will be an unpleasant experience.
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My hope for this movie and all of us reel ( ;-) DS fans was a new take on the movie that would be a scary gothic love story that would make huge money at the box office. We would then get many more DS movies.
My fear is that either this movie won't make enough money and no one will risk their money to make another DS movie or it will make enough money and we'll get a series of comedies, each more over the top than the one before it. I don't know what would be worse. I really don't think fans of this comedy would find much to like in the original.
Right now I just hope it turns out now the be the comedy the trailer makes it appear to be, but I don't see how it could not be if it is released with all of those bits in it.
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http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/03/18/seth-grahame-smith-dark-shadows/
So... There you have it.
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Note how the script writer uses extreme logic -- the new film has to be either a comedy at one extreme or a chamber piece with organ music at the other extreme -- to justify his inability or refusal to write a straightforward Gothic horror film. I disagree with the bias that the traditional approach is out of date. The traditional approach is precisely what people have been hoping for and looking forward to. THE WOMAN IN BLACK (2012) proves that a straightforward period Gothic horror film is still viable and very much in vogue.
The truth is Depp and Burton are one-trick ponies. They know how to make a parody. Every film they make together is a parody. So Seth Graham-Scott wrote a parody because that what he was commissioned to write. His reasoning in that interview is just spin.
Richard
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I just watched "Escape From The Planet Of The Apes". Mostly to be reminded of how they handled the Apes learning about the world that they found themselves in. There's a bit when one of them answers a reporter on a TV, a bit with one taking a bouble bath, there's even one trying on a cape. The comedy isn't nearly as over the top but the point is that even after they made them comical, you were still about to take them serious.
There is a chance that even with Barnabas looking like a fool in the trailer that they could still make him serious. I don't know if he could ever be scary after what we've seen but who knows, maybe.
And so Seth Grahame-Smith's book is called Unholy Night and in it he takes on The Three Wise Men and they're thieves led by Balthazar. I've read one of his books and I never want to go through that again.
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Richard - I was unhappy with Grahame-Smith as screen writer because in my opinion anyone that would "Pride and Prejudice and Zombie" shows that he has no respect for the classics. TB has said that he likes Grahame-Smith's since of humor. Butcher the classics....oh, how funny.
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I did see 21 Jump Street today, and the DS trailer did show in front of it. I started to think we wouldn't get it because I believe it was the last one shown. I was at a Regal Cinema.
Cousin, thanks for the link to Graeme-Smith's article. Once again, my reaction is different than Richard's in that I'm encouraged that there will be more to the film than a black/white extreme of a parody. But that's just me- I am not sold on the film but am still open to it.
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Everytime I find something to make me feel a little better about the film something happens to make me feel bad about it again.
I'm so hoping they do some re-editing, even if it delays the release.
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THE WOMAN IN BLACK (2012) proves that a straightforward period Gothic horror film is still viable and very much in vogue.
Maybe we have different definitions of in vogue, but I don't believe The Woman In Black fits my definition. I went and found it to be kind of slow, and the scariest things were more startling than anything else. The movie was never #1 at the box office, even in its opening weekend and with a considerable advertising campaign and opening on Super Bowl weekend. Honestly, I think Chronicle, which came out the same weekend, was a better film. A quick look at Rotten Tomatoes suggests 63% of the people who watched The Woman In Black liked it.
I guess my point is, I recognize that different people can see the same film and have drastically different opinions about it. I am planning to keep an open mind and see the movie. Only after actually seeing it will I form an opinion about whether I like it or not.
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Not to speak for others but I don't believe anyone here has formed an opinion about the film. We do have an opinion about the trailer, a trailer made to promoto the film, to get people to spend their money going to see the film. That's it's job. If it doesn't represent what's in the film that's not our falt. It's the falt of who ever made and approved it. Until we are able to see the completed film what else can any of us judge it by?
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Based on the available information I am in agreement with Richard's last post. My goodness Seth speaks like a politician.
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Richard - I was unhappy with Grahame-Smith as screen writer because in my opinion anyone that would "Pride and Prejudice and Zombie" shows that he has no respect for the classics. TB has said that he likes Grahame-Smith's since of humor. Butcher the classics....oh, how funny.
But the addition of monsters is the only way you can get some kids to read them at all, and maybe if they do read it and like it, they'll check out the original work.
Maybe he does have a lot of respect for the classics, but his sense of humor runs different from yours.
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Cousin, thanks for the link to Graeme-Smith's article. Once again, my reaction is different than Richard's in that I'm encouraged that there will be more to the film than a black/white extreme of a parody. But that's just me- I am not sold on the film but am still open to it.
I agree with you, I found that article encouraging in that Smith states it's a balance between gothic drama and comedy--not one or the other. I take that to mean there's this other side of the film that wasn't represented as much in the trailer.
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arashi - Have you read anything by him? And now he's turning the Three Wise Men into thieves! That'll make a great Christmas movie. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll do a book about Muhammad next. Just think he could have a writing credit on The Bible and The Koran. Or maybe he just thinks it funny.
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arashi - Do you like "Cliff Notes" or Colorized movies? Do you agree with them? Are they respectful of the original works? They could get people who may not otherwise read a classic or watch a black & white movie to do so.
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THE WOMAN IN BLACK (2012) proves that a straightforward period Gothic horror film is still viable and very much in vogue.
You keep bringing up this movie and citing how successful it has been compared to what one might expect. Have you actually seen the film, or are you just basing your opinion on the results the film has yielded? Have you considered that perhaps the film may have fared better than it would have had it starred someone not as known as Radcliffe is?
As far as Graham-Smith's short interview goes, I'm not at all surprised. I do agree that he's trying to play the field, but why shouldn't he? His job is to promote the film, and as another cousin pointed out several pages ago, anyone who is promoting the film will make comments that must be taken with a grain of salt. If you ask anyone who's worked on a film, whether it's an actor or a stagehand, they will probably say the film is great, not only based on the actual film itself but also based upon the experience they had while making the film.
We won't know exactly what this thing will turn out to be until we can plop ourselves down in front of a theater screen and watch it. Wouldn't it be interesting if everyone who is looking forward to it ends up hating it and those who seem to harbor negative feelings currently end up loving it? More than likely this won't happen, but we all know where DS is concerned stranger things have occurred.
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I was looking through some old issues on The World of DS today, and I have to say that they reminded me of something - many of the cartoons done by Sherlock and Stanford and Warren Oddsson have humor extremely reminiscent of the humor in the DS film's trailer. And if I'm being truthful, I definitely remember finding them quite amusing back in the day (as I'm sure others had or such cartoons wouldn't have continued to apper) so perhaps that's why I'm not finding it quite as hard as others to accept and even appreciate some of the humor in the trailer. And if I'm also being truthful, I'm also guilty of having said very similar things to what's depicted in the trailer. In fact, a friend just reminded me today that one day back in the '80s when we were watching an ep of DS in which Barnabas and Angelique were arguing and Barn said something to the effect of wondering what had ever attracted him to her, I joked that she ripped open whatever she was wearing, thrust her chest out, and said "Could it have been these?!" And when my friend saw the similar scene in the trailer, he laughed hysterically because he thought it was like the film was channeling that moment with us. What can I say? [snow_wink] But then, as anyone who reads the Caption This! and the Complete This Phrase / Fill In The Blank(s) boards knows, I post hopefully humorous things about DS nearly ever day of the week. And nothing about that means that I don't love DS or that I don't generally take it seriously when we're having serious discussions about it. The evidence for that is all over the forum as well. So, it really isn't impossible to love DS and also to be able to appreciate any sort of humorous DS take - including what we're seeing depicted in the trailer.
So, I guess that one of the things I'm trying to say is that now that Depp has told us that the DS film is "not anything like a vampire picture" (and it might have been nice had he told us that sooner), I've decided to embrace the trailer and use a few of the humorous things in it as some of my avatars (yes, Midnite and I now have multiple avatars - but then, being an admin has its privileges [snow_smiley]). And I assure anyone who has commented unfavorably about two of the scenes I'm using that I'm simply using them because I honestly find the moments funny and not for any other reasons...
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MB, I enjoyed Sherlock's and Warren's cartoons in TWODS and they usually gave me a good laugh as well but I wouldn't want them to form the basis for a film or TV series entitled "Dark Shadows." :) I have no problems with parody and having fun with the source material if it's done as a side thing in a 'zine or even as a humorous backup strip in a comic book, but not as "Dark Shadows the movie." We shall see...
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And I can totally understand your take, PD, as well as sympathize with your feelings. It's just that we're not going to get the film we really would have liked, so I'm completely willing to keep an open mind that the film we are going to get is something I can appreciate for what it is rather than what I might have wished it would have been.
And speaking of the film, IF whatever is shown tonight during Once Upon a Time is different from what we've already seen, I'll certainly post it. And that goes from any future TV ads that will no doubt come along...
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I just saw the trailer on television! It just aired during Once Upon a Time, approximately 48 minutes into the program. It was pretty much the same trailer, but with a few slight angle differences in the scenes we've seen already. And Alice Cooper appears at the end.
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I still think people are making way too much out of this.
First, there's the talk of Dan Curtis' "vision." Well, he betrayed that with the '91 remake. With a huge budget, huge sets, and a few big-name stars (mostly miscast, save for Jean Simmons), bad writing, et. al., it was not the DS those of us who grew up with remembered. Still, because it was DS, I enjoyed it. I was saddened by its cancellation. We have folks here who did not like HoDS (and NoDS). They consider HoDS Hammeresque exploitation and their stomachs rumble when they see it. That was also Dan Curtis "vision," and we have DS fans who feel betrayed by it. And those of us who grew up with, and loved and still love, his original "vision," had to put up with tons of faux pas'. So why did Dan Curtis allow them? To make money. But DS continued on, and so did we.
Second, others have ideas about DS that others might not agree with. There's the whole thing about Barnabas dealing with being blind-sided by 20th century lifestyles and technology as displayed, even if in a comical manner in the JD/TB version. Some don't like that. Others don't. I do. Others do. I was contemplating writing a "novel" that would reconstrust his initial release and having to deal with that. I think it's important. I do. Others don't. S.E. Hinton, in her DS novel alluded to it. I'm a Stephen Kingish kind of guy. I enjoy watching how ordinary people deal with extraordinary situations.
Third, like I posted before, DS evolves. One cannot expect DC's "vision" to be kept biblically true. It had far too many holes. The '91 version was an evoution, for good or bad. The '04 version (which most us have not seen, including me), was an evolution, for good or bad. This '12 version is an evolution, for good or bad. And if there's fun to be made of DS, so what? I was at a DS festival, and rabid fans like me asked the honorable attendants on stage comical questions about the stuff that happened. It was a fun an enjoyable time. So get over it. DS fans know how to find things to pick at and make fun of it.
The only thing I don't like is that Jimmy-Boy was involved in this movie, in whatever way. He grates against me, because all he's concerned about it money, money, money for the DC estate. He thinks he can run the whole show. Initially, when the trailer first aired, it was posted numerous times on things like youtube and were then quickly taken down. Now, it's satuated youtube. Maybe that's too much for those who want money, money, money to keep up with. I'm not saying who's responsible.
Let's just wait and see the movie. It's less than one-and-a-half month away. If I could put up with Willie Loomis being morphed from a tragic character in the original to half of the Laurel and Hardey team (via Dan Curtis' "original vision") in the placid '91 version, I can put up with Barnabas being upset at watching Karen Carpenter on a knobbed TV set. The latter makes far more sense than the former, even if the former was Dan Curtis' distortion of his original "vision." Dan Curtis disrtorted the original vision many times and we put up with it. Why should everyone be upset with Depp's/Burton's version?
Gerard
P.S. I have friends who "couldn't stand" the original DS. When I showed them the trailor, they became infatuated, and now they want to watch the original. They are scouring youtube and anything else. They've become obssessed with the original. One friend of mine always thought Barnabas was made a vampire by another vampire and not by the witch Angelique. Now he wants to absorb anything and everything he can find on the original. All my videos and DVD's are now on loan to him and other friends.
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Well it was a little different. We got to see more of Alice Cooper.
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Hope I am not repeating but the IMDb site changed the movie's description to: 'An imprisoned vampire, Barnabas Collins, is set free and returns to his ancestral home, where his dysfunctional descendants are in need of his protection."
Do you think WB is looking at the comments at that site?
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I guess I'm just wondering -- if they were making a comedy, why didn't they just say so in the first place? They could have told us that three years ago, some of us would have been briefly disappointed, and we would have moved on. At this point, even I might have been ready to watch the comedy and actually enjoy it. Why did they allow us to assume -- no, we didn't assume, they actually said -- that they were making a respectful film? There is something weird about that, something a bit fishy.
And, if there is nothing wrong with turning Dark Shadows into a comedy, then why are they STILL denying it is a comedy? Despite a trailer that is one laugh after the other, TPTB are still telling us how much they respect the original series and have created a tribute to it. If there is nothing wrong with turning Dark Shadows into a comedy, why don't TPTB proudly call it a comedy? Are they ashamed of something?
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I just wanted to point out that "No More Mr. Nice Guy" came out in '73.
I have read, and I'll look for a link that this is a very bloody movie. Maybe that's why they are still saying it isn't a comedy.
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The new version:
Once Upon a Time_2012_03_18_19_59_00.mp4 (12.6MB)
(Admin Note: This version has been removed in favor of the new high resolution version available for download in reply #3523.)
And 4 screen captures from some of the new stuff:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/New-1.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/New-1.jpg)
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I do believe I'm seeing another new avatar for Midnite in her future. [snow_wink]
More caps to come...
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The song was written and performed in 1972, though, wasn't it?
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I've read that he wrote and performed it live long before he recorded it.
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MB, you are amazing! Thanks so much!
For some reason, I liked this version more. Still have the same reservations as before, but stuff makes a lot more sense in this version.
For example, Barnabas is sitting in the shadows at breakfast, while the rest of the family is in the daylight. That is genius!
And Depp's delivery and tone for the final line really struck me as well done. It's deeper and more sardonic.
Elizabeth is wearing the "costume" from the first still here, while standing in a dark, mausoleum-esque environment. And that makes me question a great deal... Does she know about Barnabas? Interesting indeed.
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It couldn't been writen in 1970. Many of his songs were around years before he recorded them, some with different. "Elected" was once called "Reflected" and it's from the same album. Alice says the song was built around The Who's "Substitute"' which was released in '66. It was recorded in '72.
Alice Cooper has always been favorite band/singer.
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And 4 more screen captures from some of the new stuff:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/New-5.jpg)
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Still more caps to come...
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I do believe I'm seeing another new avatar for Midnite in her future. [snow_wink]
Ha ha, you know me so well!
Thank you for the great pics and for the newest trailer.
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I know why I like this trailer more! The panties are gone! [snow_grin]
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And the last 4 captures from some of the new stuff:
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I know why I like this trailer more! The panties are gone! [snow_grin]
I love the panties scene. [snow_smileydevil] But if you've read some of the stuff I've posted on the Caption This! and Complete This Phrase / Fill In The Blank(s) boards, then you know I'm depraved. [snow_laugh]
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it's always a different group seated at the breakfast table...
in one shot vicki's at the table. in the other julia.
and, yes, i think we can now assume that elizabeth knows barnabas' secret. i believe it's her he's speaking to when he announces that he's a vampire.
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I love the panties scene. [snow_smileydevil] But if you've read some of the stuff I've posted on the Caption This! and Complete This Phrase / Fill In The Blank(s) boards, then you know I'm depraved. [snow_laugh]
Hahaha, MB! I am just fine with it there, but I don't want to see Angelique's newfangled torture devices in any official DS project. I'm so prudish! [snow_laugh]
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After watching the new version for a second time I noticed that for some odd reason they flipped the scene of Barnabas and Willie in front of the fireplace - it's the mirror image of what it was in the first trailer. And if we can judge by Barnabas' hair, the first version is the correct one.
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And another ringing endorsement for the first trailer:
"DARK SHADOWS" trailer is here! (http://www.fangoria.com/index.php/home/all-news/1-latest-news/6738-qdark-shadowsq-trailer-is-here)
And people who hate the first trailer should definitely read the article because it will give you hope.
And more magazine articles to look forward to.
What more could we ask for? [snow_wink]
(Thanks so much to the person who alerted me to this article. You know who you are, but I don't know if you want me to mention your name. [snow_smiley])
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thanks so much for the video link and all the wonderful captures.
I almost fell out of my chair when I saw these words about the DS movie in your linked Fangoria post: "blood dripping, hyper gothic". I hope so.
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Of course you can give my name ;-).
I like this trailer better as well. Maybe it because Alice is in it, maybe it because I'm getting used to the idea that it's somewhat of a comedy, I don't know. I do know that good or bad it has DS and Alice so I have to see it.
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But the addition of monsters is the only way you can get some kids to read them at all, and maybe if they do read it and like it, they'll check out the original work.
I can't find a YouTube link, but one of my favorite episodes of Cheers involved Frasier doing that very thing to get the gang to be interested in the works of Charles Dickens. Toward the end when the bar regulars implore him to read them more Dickens, Lilith is pleasantly surprised and Frasier says to her something along the lines of "I've done some things I'm not proud of..."
Here's the IMDB link to that episode:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0539777/plotsummary
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Maybe some kids don't need to read the classics. I'm ok with that.
You know I bet if they colorized the early episodes of DS and color corrected the rest of the to match, then used computers to remove boom mics and maybe edit some of the slower story lines they could get more people to watch the OS.
Let's just hope they don't sell so well that they stop selling the original shows.
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First, there's the talk of Dan Curtis' "vision." Well, he betrayed that with the '91 remake. With a huge budget, huge sets, and a few big-name stars (mostly miscast, save for Jean Simmons), bad writing, et. al., it was not the DS those of us who grew up with remembered. Still, because it was DS, I enjoyed it. I was saddened by its cancellation. We have folks here who did not like HoDS (and NoDS). They consider HoDS Hammeresque exploitation and their stomachs rumble when they see it. That was also Dan Curtis "vision," and we have DS fans who feel betrayed by it. And those of us who grew up with, and loved and still love, his original "vision," had to put up with tons of faux pas'. So why did Dan Curtis allow them? To make money. But DS continued on, and so did we.
Gerard, I feel exactly the same way. I know there are some fans who enjoyed the Leviathan storyline, which was clearly part of Dan Curtis' vision. I absolutely hated that portion of the series. I don't think that Curtis' vision was the only true way to view the characters.
Maybe another way to look at this is to compare it to some of the Marvel comic book heroes. Some Batman fans hated the TV series that aired in the '60's. There were mixed opinions about the series of movies that started with Tim Burton's effort in 1989. Still others were not wowed by Christopher Nolan's first movie in this trilogy. As the saying goes, you can't please everybody, and clearly Burton's decided to make a film that pleases him.
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Thanks so much for sharing the Once Upon A Time trailer and screencaps, MB! It's great to see more of Alice!
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I haven't had time to listen to Pierson's segment and I imagine it will just be the usual spin-a-thon. But if anyone does bother to listen, I'd be interested to read your notes.
Here is the podcast. The segment begins about 5/8 through...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1057338/CRAGG%20%20LIVE%20%20-%20Denise%20%28Vanity%29%20Matthews%20&%20Jim%20%28Dark%20Shadows%29%20Pierson.mp3
My very subjective notes:
(Note that I have never had any dealings with the man nor have I ever heard him speak, so this is coming from a Jim Pierson newb.)
Not very impressed with Jim Pierson. He really seems to be in damage control mode, trying to explain that Dan Curtis's versions were also in a funny vein. And that people basically "need to lighten up" - Direct quote from the middle of the interview. The second cut of the trailer made me feel better than he did. [snow_strange] The most prominent line from the interview: "The trailer is a fair representation of the film."
He goes on to explain that Dark Shadows is "a little show that could," that it's not as mainstream as "Star Wars." (You can tell he wants it to be.)
He keeps talking over the hosts. When asked about the fact that it was presented as a Gothic Horror in early interviews, he gets really defensive: "It's a hybrid, definitely filled with humor, definitely a lot of moments... This is a way to keep the original show alive and introduce it to people...."
When asked if he would have done anything different, he says: "I am not one to complain... Coming up with this hybrid, everyone figured that this was the best route to cover it. I don't have any regrets at this point... My only regret would be that we couldn't get all the original Dark Shadows actors in this movie..." We will see if he sticks to that after it is released. [snow_wink]
He says that all of the original actors that appeared on the set are happy with it, as are Dan Curtis's daughters.
Closing statement: "This movie has something for everybody and that's really the whole idea."
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Dan Curtis never "betrayed" his vision and he never "betrayed" Dark Shadows.
What a load of rubbish.
Like all independent producers, Dan Curtis had to shop his projects to the studios and networks for financing and distribution. No matter who you are, money usually comes at the cost of creative control. Curtis never had the clout that Burton and Depp have. I happen to know that he was unhappy with the reboots and very unhappy that he had made the creative control concessions that were required to get those made. He shared in many of the frustrations fans had with both reboots, only moreso. The last reboot especially. Watch the interview with Dan Curtis on The Night Stalker / The Night Strangler DVD where he expresses his disgust over "development" with the kid execs half his age.
While Dan Curtis may have been open to new ideas and going in different directions, parody is not one of them. Curtis had integrity and too much sense to piss on his whole life. Further, if his estate were discriminating, they would never have licensed Dark Shadows and The Night Stalker to someone like Depp. Depp is a huge international star, but he is the wrong person, creatively for these projects. Depp and Burton are one-trick ponies. They make fetish movies and parodies of other people's creative work. That's the only thing they know how to do. They disrespect Dark Shadows as even as they brag about their affection for it. Knowing what to expect from them, I am not surprised that they turned Dark Shadows into a Mystery Science Theater 3000 parody. Everybody should realize by now what kind of movies they make.
If anyone has betrayed Dark Shadows, it's Jim Pearson.
To the person who asked, yes, I've read The Woman In Black by Susan Hill, and have a 1st edition. I also have the original British telefilm scripted by Nigel Kneale (1989) on DVD. I attended a preview of the new version now in release -- excellent period film, superb ghost story -- and intend to see it again.
Richard
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Disappointed as I am in Tim Burton and particularly Johnny Depp who I feel with some effort could do much better, I will try to cautiously remain as optimistic as possible until the new movie is actually out.
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You know how I came to love Dark Shadows, through the 1991 Revival which divided the fans back then too. Once Kathleen Resch informed me (a 13 year old) that is was cancelled my heart was broken. However, I gave the original show a chance going into it with an open mind and an open heart and I feel in love.
I respect everyone opinions! I could eat my words May 11 but I feel as if I will love the movie for what it is: Dark Shadows 2012! The censors would have never allowed the true essence of the 70's on daytime TV or I am sure we would have seen some of the same scenarios in the original.
I just want to see Dark Shadows continue long after I am gone. I want it to be a hit. I feel if it is and many see it they will be curious to check out the original as well. Fandom needs a new injection of blood (pun intended) and I would love to see that happen. The 1991 version did this for fandom and carried it a long time. If this movie perpetuates Dark Shadows on for another 46 (almost) years then I am all for it. I just don't want DS to die. Our stars are getting older, the original viewers are getting older and I am getting older. I just want a new generation to come to love Dark Shadows. I really feel many new people who love campy, Gothic shows will come to love the original. I have laughed out loud many times at DS although I know that it was not written to be funny it still has made me laugh many many times.
Again, I am so glad to have a moderated board. I do have Facebook page called Dark Shadows Is An Ensemble Show Dammit! where my moderators and I keep things under control. I left four Facebook DS pages yesterday not because of opinions but because of people being Nasty, Rude, and straight up evil and saying I was betraying the original. I am not trying to promote my page but if you are on FB and don't like the DS pages you are currently on then come give us a try. We treat all versions, the original, HODS, NODS, 1991 Version, the 2004 version, the new comic, the audio dramas and the new Deep movie with loving respect.
Again thank you to our moderators for keeping this a fun place to be without nastiness and harsh words. The world is evil enough with men hurting men. We in the DS community should all love, respect and value one another. Peace and [love7]
Tae
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The most prominent line from the interview: "The trailer is a fair representation of the film."
Agreed. I was surprised by how much of the content the trailer actually covered. You get a sample of what were, IMO, among the best and the worst jokes in the film.
Some of the dialogue, particularly interactions among the family members, was funny. There's a montage of sight gags that was kind of cute.
Personally, I liked the "We don't have horses..." and "They tried to stone me..." bits. There was one other really memorable line (from Roger) that made me laugh; maybe we'll get to see it in the next trailer. The scene with Barnabas and Mrs. Johnson (more where that came from) straddled the border of cheesy and cute, but it works for me. The scene with the television is a typical fish-out-of-water time-travel gag, but I kind of liked it. The "plant your lips on my posterior" line works in the context of the scene, but it's just not something that I can imagine coming out of Barnabas's mouth.
I've bemoaned the Barnabas/Angelique/tongue scene elsewhere. It struck me as way over-the-top and was something I would have expected from an Austin Powers movie. It certainly didn't feel appropriate to "Dark Shadows" the series as we know it, but it even felt like it clashed with the rest of the humor within this particular movie. I had hoped the scene would be cut or at least scaled back, but if it's in the trailer, I guess there's little chance of that happening now. :(
MB, I enjoyed Sherlock's and Warren's cartoons in TWODS and they usually gave me a good laugh as well but I wouldn't want them to form the basis for a film or TV series entitled "Dark Shadows." :) I have no problems with parody and having fun with the source material if it's done as a side thing in a 'zine or even as a humorous backup strip in a comic book, but not as "Dark Shadows the movie."
Penny, it's like you're reading my mind; some of your recent posts express the very same concerns I'm having. You present yourself very eloquently. Generally speaking, I think most fans have the ability to find humor in any favorite television/book/film series. It's a way of negotiating the property's shortcomings and bonding with other fans. I definitely think it's possible to parody "Dark Shadows" successfully and to enjoy humorous takes on the show (the Collinsport Players and the Cheep Productions videos wouldn't exist otherwise). However, I would not choose to use one of these parodies as an introduction to the series for a naive viewer. I think a parody works best when one is already familiar with the source material and able to understand the subtext of the jokes. Some of the jokes in the movie really do seem like something out of a fan video or Fest skit.
Gerard, I'm heartened by your experiences with your friends wanting to know more about DS after seeing the trailer. I hadn't believed that would happen. Maybe we will get some new fans for the more serious side of DS after all.
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Neither can I.
The "plant your lips on my posterior" line works in the context of the scene, but it's just not something that I can imagine coming out of Barnabas's mouth.
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I don't understand why fans throw around the word "betrayal" like that. Rationality is seldom rewarded, I guess. And the movie could not have been done without the wholehearted support of the Curtis estate. Intellectual property is meant to be purchased and used. If this movie turns out to royally suck, nothing bad happens to the original or the revival. It's just another movie that sucks.
If I were to use the word "betrayal" and a movie in the same sentence, I would apply it to "House of Dark Shadows" which certainly went against what we all came to know and love. It killed off most of the Collins family and made Barnabas into a super hateful monster, which he wasn't on the series. That movie was so very different. Is this new DS movie somehow worse because it has more humor in it? Might be a parody?
saying I was betraying the original.
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I've not seen this scene in the context of the movie - you have - and I would have to agree with you on this point. Definitely seems a little odd.
I've bemoaned the Barnabas/Angelique/tongue scene elsewhere. It struck me as way over-the-top and was something I would have expected from an Austin Powers movie.
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And that's why we love you, MB. [snow_wink]
I love the panties scene. [snow_smileydevil] But if you've read some of the stuff I've posted on the Caption This! and Complete This Phrase / Fill In The Blank(s) boards, then you know I'm depraved. [snow_laugh]
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If I were to use the word "betrayal" and a movie in the same sentence, I would apply it to "House of Dark Shadows" which certainly went against what we all came to know and love. It killed off most of the Collins family and made Barnabas into a super hateful monster, which he wasn't on the series. That movie was so very different. Is this new DS movie somehow worse because it has more humor in it?
These sentiments are very close to what I wrote yesterday (article might not be for everyone; apologies if that's the case):
http://badassdigest.com/2012/03/18/dark-shadows-pale-imitations/
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Thanks Phil- I have only had a chance to skim it briefly here at work, but it's a good read and I have saved the link to read again later. I love the HODS/NODS posters, as well. Taeylor, thanks for the mention of your FB page. I belong to/am lurking on two- one hates the lovers/excusers of the trailer, and one hates the haters, and frankly I'm a little fed up with both camps [snow_smiley] I just want to hear people's opinions without feeling like they're trying to force my own- I want to make up my own mind in my own way!
By the way, a bit off topic and there is probably a separate thread for this, but I just got a notice from Amazon saying that my Return To Collinwood will ship a little sooner after all- good news!
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Nice article, Phil.
Personally, I (and I will try not to use the words "us" or "we" when referring to just my own opinion) don't feel in the slightest bit betrayed. I was drawn to TOS in 1966 (my first exposure was the Dr. Guthrie period), and have loved every minute of it. The only time I have felt disappointed by an incarnation of DS is when it was cancelled or failed to catch on. As a creative person, I have always understood that storytelling is open to change, just as our lives must be. DS is an amalgam of classic stories, created by DC and others out of the very sense of novelty and change that Burton and Depp are known for in many of their film treatments.
Dan Curtis had said that Barnabas Collins was originally intended to be "a Dracula" with nothing but evil to motivate his (intended) brief stay on DS. That original vision was changed ("betrayed?") to accommodate JF's popular interpretation of the role. Creative visions are changed all the time. Fans have expressed their very different visions of the show in fanfic, videos, mash-ups, and even musical compositions!
I agree that change can be upsetting, off-putting and even scary. It can also be exhilarating and liberating. I choose to live in the latter vein as much as I can, and even if I were upset with the changes that the Depp/Burton film will bring (I'm not), I realize that I don't have the power to "control" these things, nor would I want to. As an entertainment, Dark Shadows belongs in my heart (and it will always stay there for me), as a creative entity, it belongs to the Estate of Dan Curtis (that's his living, breathing daughters, not just some corporate monolith) and anyone they choose to allow to interpret it. That's fair, folks. Even though it doesn't always feel that way.
It's great for me that TOS ( and I find it amazing that we can call it that because of other reboots brought on by its enduring qualities), the phenomenon that drew me in to this lifetime interest in all things dramatic, gothic, and historical (and sometimes even hysterical, lol), will always be there no matter what. By the way, whatever else you or I may think of him, Jim Pierson is in no small way responsible for the availability of that original franchise to all of us. And I have to admit, he's got my dream job (except for the criticisms he has to catch)- he spends a good deal of time immersed in the business of DS! Thanks for the hard work Jim! (and, no, I don't know him or have any financial arrangement with him, lol)
One of the creative impulses is an address of the question, "what if . . ?" It opens the mind and heart to the possibilities waiting both in the imagination and the World At Large. Dan Curtis asked this when he awoke from his Dream and began to set in motion the meetings, etc. that would make DS a reality(in the production sense). Burton and Depp have addressed a different "what if..?", different, but no less novel and creative than the first, asked way back in '66.
I have been involved in the theatre (yes, I spell it that funny way) for 30 years now, and though I didn't like or appreciate every one of the scores of productions I have seen or been involved with, I have always respected the honest efforts of those who were intrepid enough to "put on a show." Maybe it's a professional obligation for me, but I try to keep an open mind.
Just my two cents- I respect everyone's opinion here, and I am always heartened by the overwhelmingly civil discourse that goes on on this board, as opposed to some other venues. "We" should all be proud of that accomplishment, no matter what our views.
Petofi
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Petofi, what a wonderful post! Thank you!
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There was a notice I saw just now saying that they are going to make Pierson's segment available as a downloadable or streamable podcast on the site, http://www.cultradioagogo.com.
Cult Radio A-Go-Go's DS segment and interview with Pierson is now available for download at http://www.sendspace.com/file/b62i3n
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Thanks, madscntst, for the info about Amazon and KLS' book. [snow_smiley] As per usual I'm behind on checking my e-mail and I didn't see that yet.
And yes, that is a thoughtful and thought provoking post, petofi. [thumbleft]
And, Phil, I support much of what you've said - particularly when it comes to hoDS. Though one thing that you didn't cover that's a real pet peeve with many here on the forum is the apparent fact that DC's favorite tenet when it came to his work was "If it worked once, it will work again and again and again and..." And I firmly believe that if he was still with us and he had been given free rein by Warner Brothers to have made a DS film instead of Burton/Depp, it would have ended up in many ways as being the umpteenth reworking of both hoDS and DC's version of Dracula - and much more so than anything that Burton/Depp may have done with their version of DS, that it something I and many others would never have wanted to see. It's pretty bad when things had already gotten to the point where one could quote back the dialogue the first time watching a "new" DC version of DS because one had already heard it because it had been lifted word for word - not to mention the scenes had been restaged camera shot for camera shot from what DC had already done elsewhere. All of that makes for no suspense whatsoever because one knows exactly what's coming next.
It may very well turn out that I won't like the new film after I've seen it. But one of the reasons I won't like it will not be because it's the umpteenth retread of hoDS. And the fact that it won't be is already one of the major things that is making me more open and receptive to what the Burton/Depp DS film might turn out to be.
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Writer Smith had some more to say about the movie. http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/166303-seth-grahame-smith-on-dark-shadows-trailer-reaction
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Thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
Interesting that Graham-Smith says the test screening went over great. I wonder if that's the official result or simply his own general impression because, as per ProfStokes' observations, it appeared that much of the audience was into it?
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@Borgosi - Yes actually, I read AL:VH and thought it was a really fun read, I'm looking forward to the movie very much. My 15 year old niece wanted nothing to do with Pride and Prejudice, even though her mother and I are big fans, but devoured Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.
I'm not sure I understand where the link comes in for colorized movies and "Cliff Notes" but I'm game to answer. Colorized movies - no, I prefer to watch the black and white. But I understand there are people out there that think black and white is somehow inferior, so it's colorized in an attempt to get them to watch it. I know that myself, at 11, and watching the 91 series, didn't want anything to do with the episodes from the original series my Mom tried to show me because it was in black and white and old. (I guess it was only film that affected me so, because I was already a big fan of gothic literature and Big Band music then). Thankfully I grew out of that notion by my early teens. Cliff Notes - I have never read nor utilized so I don't have much of an opinion on those.
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arashi - It's my opinion that the link is that idea of changing a classic or even history to get someone to read or watch it that otherwise wouldn't. If a book inspires someone to write a new book because they loved the original and they want to give it their spin, that great. If they want write a story about a fictional person and to give it a touch of history they place that person at some historic even, that's cool.
I have a problem with someone changing a work of art, and writing it act, that was created by someone else and taking a co-writing credit with the original artist. I have a problem with someone re-writing history. Most people don't care until it effects something or someone they care about.
I'm not a fan of Pride and Prejudice, I've never read it but if Pride and Prejudice and Zombie out sold the original and 25 years from now you could no long buy the original that would really upset me. I don't think I'll be around in 25 years but you get the point. What if they colorized DS and sells were so good when the new fans they stopped selling the original? Could be that it would never happen but you never know. Stranger that's have happened.
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arashi - Try to find the movie "What's up Tiger Lily?" It's very easy to do. Now try and find the movie "International Secret Police: Key of Keys", good luck. The second movie is a Japanese action film. The first is the same movie re-dubbed by Woody Allen. It's about a secret egg salad recipe. I have no idea if it was any good in it's original format but that's kinda the point.
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Stuart's take on the trailer debate: http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/03/seeing-funny-side-dark-shadows-trailer.html
MB I guess we will never know the true results of the test audience.
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Stuart's take on the trailer debate
I agree with him. But I suppose that's not a surprise given what I've been saying since we've seen the first trailer.
MB I guess we will never know the true results of the test audience.
Maybe not. But I think we can pretty much deduce from the various reports about the test screening that have mentioned the audience's reaction while watching the film that on a whole they seemed to have enjoyed it. So, chances are Seth Grahame-Smith wasn't misrepresenting that reaction.
I've not seen this scene in the context of the movie - you have - and I would have to agree with you on this point. Definitely seems a little odd.
I've bemoaned the Barnabas/Angelique/tongue scene elsewhere. It struck me as way over-the-top and was something I would have expected from an Austin Powers movie.
But you know what's interesting - and because on previous viewings I was only paying attention to the trailer itself so it's something that I didn't really take notice of until today when I watched Ellen again (to check out something about how the trailer was shown on her show) - the Angelique/Barnabas/serpentine tongue licking sequence got a big laugh from Ellen's studio audience.
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Maybe JD can do a series of films ( two or three of each type ) where in he put Jack Sparrow in different classic movie types. Sparrow as vampire, Sparrow as cowboy, Sparrow as spacehero, could be fun!
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All hysterics and hyperbole aside, it seems very likely at this point that this trailer is doing what it appears to be doing: promoting the latest in a parade of pandering, lowest-common-denominator remakes that are high on budget but low on intelligence, drama, or thoughtful humor. Really, anyone who's seen Burton's "Alice in Wonderland" shouldn't be too surprised.
I'm sure I'll end up seeing this because, hey, it's Dark Shadows. But I'm definitely managing my expectations.
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Interesting that Graham-Smith says the test screening went over great. I wonder if that's the official result or simply his own general impression because, as per ProfStokes' observations, it appeared that much of the audience was into it?
I've heard audience reaction was generally positive.
In regards to the trailer doing its job, it did. Number 6 on IMDB.
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a couple notes on today...
when i arrived at work this morning people who had seen the trailer over the weekend approached me with what almost amounted to as condolences. as if someone had died. they seemed nonplussed when i replied that i really wasn't upset about it.
the 'chevy' joke fell flat all around. [snow_rolleyes]
and another observation i hadn't though of was someone said it reminded them of 'the witches of eastwick'. i haven't seen that in many years. does that like a valid comparison to anyone?
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I don't understand why fans throw around the word "betrayal" like that. Rationality is seldom rewarded, I guess. And the movie could not have been done without the wholehearted support of the Curtis estate. Intellectual property is meant to be purchased and used. If this movie turns out to royally suck, nothing bad happens to the original or the revival. It's just another movie that sucks.
... is this new DS movie somehow worse because it has more humor in it? Might be a parody?
I kind of understand the position of people who feel "betrayed." My interpretation of their plight has nothing to do with Burton/SGS/Depp doing their own thing with the property, though. It has more to do with the fact that Depp and others had been saying things that seemed to please the fans, making certain fans (myself included) inclined to believe their film would be a Gothic Thriller with some trademark Burton comedy. I was not prepared for the kind of trailer I saw. So, I think fans who use the term betrayed should use the word "duped" instead.
I cannot speak for these people who throw about the word "betrayed" (just based on a trailer), but I can speak for myself in regards to the "duped" statement. I openly admit that I feel duped, but it's not really the studio's fault. It's mine. I held onto certain statements and ideas and a firm belief in Depp/Burton (having been fans and all) of staying true in "tone" - something Burton always touted he was trying to get right. What I brushed off were reports of the film being "funny" and "very funny." And that is solely my fault. I wanted to believe that the tone would be in-line with the original's intended tone, not its tone as perceived by Burton. I was prepared for the fish-out-of-water comedy. And because I was prepared for that, I enjoyed it. I just wasn't prepared for "boob jokes" and vampire toothbrushes, and it's that type of humor that has caused me to feel duped... by myself.
I blame no one but myself for that. In the end, I hope that that type of comedy is toned down (or at least doesn't expand beyond what is in the trailer - Heck, they can ramp up the Barnabas fish-out-of-water stuff, and I'd be okay with it) and that the new film does get the "gothic" tone right. I have come to terms that this film will be funny, but I really would like the comedy to simply be one component of the whole, rather than the whole. [snow_smiley] If it isn't, well... it isn't. There's nothing I can do about it then. But, in the meantime, I can hope that the final cut has a different tone from the trailer... despite that it probably won't. So, I won't feel duped again if it doesn't. And I will be pleasantly surprised if it does. [snow_smiley]
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interesting observation...
as i said earlier i can't muster a grand sense of "betrayal" but a considerable amount of double-talk has been employed by those involved for months. "duped" might be an apt term for it.
that said we have been hearing the word "funny" tossed around since day one. countless times in fact and many of us chose to mishear it or "reinterpret" it to our own liking. it's still happening.
we'll see.
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I think we agree with each other, MS - without the new creative bood, this would be the same old junk with no indigenous spark. Like it or not, this will be the first true re-interpretation to hit screens.
Now, I am NOT in the least suggesting the original series is worthy of being compared to Shakespeare, but Macbeth is one of my favorites, and I love Polanski's film, Kurosawa's Throne of Blood, and Scotland, PA, all appealing to me for their differences as much as their similarities.
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I cannt believe no one has pointed this out yet, but in regards to certain fans feeling betrayed by the new film and feeling that this film betrays Dan Curtis' original vision, perhaps Barnabas himself sums it up the best in what is one of his most famous lines....
"You've betrayed me!!!!"
Cue the music.
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Yes- "Betrayal" being part of the sometimes sanguine (pun intended) melodrama of TOS, the movies, and 1991, it's no surprise the concept would find its way into discourse on these boards. [chkyy]
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I suppose I am more surprised at the willingness to judge what a two hour plus movie will be based on the trailer, scenes and sound bites which are taken completely out of context. The best visual shots and lines are always featured in a trailer but, again, without any sense of where those scenes and lines fit into the overall film. For me, it's too earlier to feel duped or betrayed. We haven't seen the damn thing yet. My sense is that it will be creepy with humor. I like that kind of movie as long as humor doesn't outweigh the creepy. I hope I like it but if I don't, well . . I will manage to go on somehow. [snow_silly]
I kind of understand the position of people who feel "betrayed." My interpretation of their plight has nothing to do with Burton/SGS/Depp doing their own thing with the property, though. It has more to do with the fact that Depp and others had been saying things that seemed to please the fans, making certain fans (myself included) inclined to believe their film would be a Gothic Thriller with some trademark Burton comedy. I was not prepared for the kind of trailer I saw. So, I think fans who use the term betrayed should use the word "duped" instead.
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My uncle Valdemar, the one who introduced me to DS many moons ago, watched the trailer and was very unhappy and disappointed with it.
I think Cousin_Barnabas nailed it with the description of feeling "duped." Burton and Depp both claimed they were fans and that they wanted to get it "right." Based on the trailer alone, it seems their idea of doing it right is spoofing it and pointing out the absurdity of the situations. Of course, this might be WBs marketing strategy and there is likely more to it than what we see. I plan to wait and watch the film, and then will give my thoughts on it, perhaps via a PD video. ;) Honestly though, even if those comedy sequences comprise a small portion of the film I just don't see how they can maintain any sense of terror and dread in the movie with the wacky hijinks in there. I really wish Guillermo Del Toro made this film.
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I don't honestly feel betrayed or duped - if anything I feel confused. And the current reason for that is that despite several people describing what they saw at the test screening as a comedy, there are still denials coming from people closely involved with the film and others, with them saying that it isn't a comedy. Just within the past few days such denials have come from Seth Grahame-Smith, Richard Zanuck, Tim Burton, Fangoria's editor-in-chief Chris Alexander, and even David Selby. It's like two different films exist and each camp is seeing a different version.
For the record, though, the word "funny" hasn't always been associated with the film. As I posted a few weeks ago:back in January '08 Jim Pierson remarked in an article on the MPI Web site about how Barnabas coping with the modern world be featured in the film and it was something they had planned to do had the '04 pilot gone to series. And while he didn't use the word "funny," he did imply that there would be humor to it in the film. But I seem to recall that the first time the word "funny" was used was when Richard Zanuck used it in May '10, which not incidentally was before Seth Grahame-Smith became involved with the film (he wasn't brought on board until July)
The forum posts that detail our first surprise at that description start here:Zanuck: "...it'll be very funny..." Whoa, that's news to me!
Though in the same interview (which is linked to in the post previous to that one) Zanuck also said that the film "won't be high camp, obviously" and "it will be scary."
Burton and Depp both claimed they were fans and that they wanted to get it "right." Based on the trailer alone, it seems their idea of doing it right is spoofing it and pointing out the absurdity of the situations. Of course, this might be WBs marketing strategy and there is likely more to it than what we see.
If we can go by everything that's still being said, there would seem to be more to it than what we're seeing in the trailer. However, there is no doubt that Burton and Depp enjoy spoofing DS and pointing out the absurdity of its situations and they haven't kept that fact a secret because all one need do is watch the videos from their appearance on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross to see it. Initially that interview frightened me to all hell - but I put those fears aside as others and more significantly Depp made more reassuring comments. But apparently the attitude toward DS that they expressed on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross is just as much a part of the film as those reassuring comments might be. And I've come to make my peace with that and am still trying to keep an open mind.
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I guess my disconnect with some of the opinions I'm reading is when people say things like, "They (Tim and Johnny, and maybe Jim Pierson) said they were fans! A fan would never make a film like this." Well, that is a bit presumptuous and presupposes that all fans are of one mind. I would never accuse someone of not being a fan if they didn't share my vision, but that's just me. So I don't find it as easy to sympathize with these types of comments as it is to sympathize with folks who were hoping for something different and feel disappointed.
Again, I'm still feeling a little disheartened by the trailer, and hope that I like the movie more, but for what it's worth, I thought the 21 Jump Street trailer was atrocious, and it turned out to be a film I enjoyed tremendously.
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I really wish Guillermo Del Toro made this film.
Ooh, Del Toro!! Yes, his take on DS would be incredible! For a while I've been thinking about how David Lynch would bring something very good to DS--his kind of "weird" would probably be the best match to the classic 1960s DS weirdness, this strange family/community in a world that's just slightly off-kilter from the one the viewers live in. (And wouldn't it be cool to hear an Angelo Badalamenti score for DS?)
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I guess my disconnect with some of the opinions I'm reading is when people say things like, "They (Tim and Johnny, and maybe Jim Pierson) said they were fans! A fan would never make a film like this."
I totally agree. I would never for a moment doubt that they are fans. What they find in it might not be the same thing that I find in it, but that doesn't make them fans any less. I retain the right to be disappointed if the new film doesn't go along with the way that I view DS. But they have every right to make the kind of film they want to make.
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I guess my disconnect with some of the opinions I'm reading is when people say things like, "They (Tim and Johnny, and maybe Jim Pierson) said they were fans! A fan would never make a film like this." Well, that is a bit presumptuous and presupposes that all fans are of one mind. I would never accuse someone of not being a fan if they didn't share my vision, but that's just me.
It's not just you.
And as I tried to say the other day and probably didn't get my point across clearly enough, there are all sorts of DS fans, including the ones who can devise the type of humor we're seeing in the trailers, along with the types who can appreciate that type of humor. And the fact that they can doesn't make them any less fans than those who might not. Though, of course, an entire film of that sort of humor is another issue entirely. But supposedly the new film isn't that type of film, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
So I don't find it as easy to sympathize with these types of comments as it is to sympathize with folks who were hoping for something different and feel disappointed.
Exactly - as I've said, I totally understand their disappointment and sympathize with them.
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Ooh, Del Toro!! Yes, his take on DS would be incredible! For a while I've been thinking about how David Lynch would bring something very good to DS--his kind of "weird" would probably be the best match to the classic 1960s DS weirdness, this strange family/community in a world that's just slightly off-kilter from the one the viewers live in.
Honestly, del Toro would've been my first choice; I think I have mentioned it here once or twice. Though I'm sure he would've injected some comedy, too. Oh well! Lynch, I'm not quite as sure about (don't get me wrong- I like him and just recently re-watched Twin Peaks, in fact), but it's a thought.
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Unfortunately, what-ifs only tend to make things worse. I've often wondered what if Rob Bowman, whose directing work I had really enjoyed on the '91 DS, hadn't left the '04 pilot to direct the film Elektra. But alas... [snow_sad]
The only thing we really can do with this film is deal with the hand we have been dealt and try to accept it.
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9 new promotional banners/posters.
I wish Rob Bowman directed the movie. I also have his director's chair so I am slighly biased. But seriosly he did a good job in the 91 series.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=33458
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In regards to the trailer doing its job, it did. Number 6 on IMDB.
Wow, that's the highest the film has ever been on IMDb's MOVIEmeter (the previous high was #65 back during the week of January 29th). I guess the trailer really is doing its job.
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Didn't Jim Pierson state on the internet radio that the trailers accurately represent the film?
Hasn't Tim Burton said in an interview that (edited by admin)
There is such a thing as being too skeptical.
Depp, Burton and Pierson will say whatever they have to say to sell the movie. Understand that if they can get good ticket sales on opening weekend, and put the film in the black, they are justified, financially, before the backlash hits. A film this size can recover its investment in a weekend. They also know there is a new audience that doesn't have the same involvement in Dark Shadows that older fans have. This parody throws the older fans under the bus and enables Depp and Burton to flip the middle finger. They are arrogant people who thrive on extreme behavior. The celebrities have just told you what they think of you. The younger fans will keep spending their money on the new product, or forget about it as they did Bewitched and The Green Hornet parodies / reboots.
Turning the new feature film into a Saturday Live Night parody of the program is not a legitimate extension of Dark Shadows. Just because it was discussed in the 2004 negotiation doesn't make it right. Dan Curtis despised that, and expressed his opinion of the reboots and negotiations in the interview on The Night Stalker / The Night Strangler DVD. This is a parody that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Many of you will laugh at the cheap jokes, but the film could have been so much better, so much more.
Personally, I've stopped listening to Jim Pierson. I don't believe a word he says. I have reason to know he mis-represents Dan Curtis's intentions. He knows who butters his bread. The less he has to do with Dark Shadows, the better.
I see David Lynch and Guillermo del Toro mentioned as possible directors for a Dark Shadows reboot. This suggests to me starting a new separate thread asking fans what they would like to see in a Dark Shadows feature film.
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The above post has been edited to remove something that so far as we know here on the forum has not been substantiated because no one has so far cited an actual source and provided the full quote. And until such time that a source is discovered, it will continue to be considered hearsay and rumor, and any references to it will continue to be removed from posts.
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9 new promotional banners/posters.
Another wow! I love them. Though I wish we could see larger versions so that we could read what they say at the tops of them.
And see, that shot of Barnabas that was used to promote Burton's exhibit in France is actually being used for the film. Well, at least in Europe.
And another ringing endorsement for the trailer.
Thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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MB do you see the name of the actor and character on top of each picture? Is that what you are not seeing? they do enlarge greatly at Empire.
I love the upcoming Fangoria front cover. http://www.fangoria.com/index.php/home/all-news/6755-first-look-fangoria-313-covers-and-contents
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MB do you see the name of the actor and character on top of each picture? Is that what you are not seeing? they do enlarge greatly at Empire.
Really? I clicked on them and all I got was a bunch of product ads with even tinier versions of the posters. [snow_huh] I'll have to try again later.
I love the upcoming Fangoria front cover.
Oooo, very nice - and bloody. [snow_wink]
Again, thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley] And maybe I'll actually order a copy from the Web site because doing that with HorrorHound worked out so well...
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Try here. http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/166339-tim-burtons-dark-shadows-reveals-nine-character-posters
I am defintely picking this issue up.
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Very nice. Thanks even more for that link! [snow_wink]
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MB do you see the name of the actor and character on top of each picture? Is that what you are not seeing? they do enlarge greatly at Empire.
Really? I clicked on them and all I got was a bunch of product ads with even tinier versions of the posters. [snow_huh] I'll have to try again later.
MB, I think the problem was that the posters took a long time to load. I got the product ads, too, but then after awhile the poster loaded. The tiny versions of the posters were actually the "next" or "previous" images and not the main ones. At any rate, thanks jimbo for providing an alternate link- those ads can sometimes be really annoying!
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I just got a tweet on my phone from GK Films about the new posters. And apparently the new Twitter hashtag people are supposed to use for the film is #strangeisrelative.
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I suppose I am more surprised at the willingness to judge what a two hour plus movie will be based on the trailer, scenes and sound bites which are taken completely out of context.
But it's not as simple as that: as others have said, SGS and Jim Pierson have both stated that the trailer is an accurate portrayal of the type of movie Shadows is. They could be trying to please the suits, and not turn off movie-goers who like the trailer. But, I found both of their comments had a slightly derogatory tone towards fans who wanted something different. And I was none too pleased with our show being compared to "sit[ting] through the organ music of a two hour chamber piece." While I'd find listening to that enjoyable, you can tell SGS would not, and that is his analogy for the original source material. Not exactly comforting to have a guy writing the screenplay who finds a faithful adaptation to be a drudgery of an experience. [snow_huh] You don't have to be a fan to write a great screenplay, but I was hoping for less "spoof-esque comedy" in the film and more of a "grand and faithful-in-tone re-envisioning." And I am not seeing a way to have both based on the scenes from this trailer, but I could be pleasantly surprised, as stated at the end of my last post. [snow_smiley]
My uncle Valdemar, the one who introduced me to DS many moons ago, watched the trailer and was very unhappy and disappointed with it.
And I think that's the hardest part for me. I can't bear to show this trailer to the person who introduced me to DS... I got them all excited about the film, and I just know how disappointing this trailer will be to them. And I wanted to take this person to the film on opening weekend as a special "thank you" for bringing this show into my life. That's why I am hoping for another trailer, one this person can appreciate... And, of course, a final film that can also be appreicated. [snow_wink]
I don't honestly feel betrayed or duped - if anything I feel confused. And the current reason for that is that despite several people describing what they saw at the test screening as a comedy, there are still denials coming from people closely involved... If we can go by everything that's still being said, there would seem to be more to it than what we're seeing in the trailer. However, there is no doubt that Burton and Depp enjoy spoofing DS and pointing out the absurdity of its situations...
Yes. I feel this as well. That is why I am holding out hope for something different from another trailer and the final film, despite the other things I have heard and read.
Another wow! I love them. Though I wish we could see larger versions so that we could read what they say at the tops of them.
They are so fantastic! They actually name the actors and the characters at the top. But, if you click on them and wait a few minutes, they will load in full resolution!
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Something that we need to remember when it comes to Seth Grahame-Smith is that, if we can go by the comments that he made to Web sites like The Hollywood Reporter, he didn't write an entirely new script - he tweaked what John August had already written. And like I've said, the film was already being described as funny before Grahame-Smith came on board, so it wasn't his decision not to do a faithful adaptation. That decision had already been made long before he came on the film.
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Something that we need to remember when it comes to Seth Grahame-Smith is that, if we can go by the comments that he made to Web sites like The Hollywood Reporter, he didn't write an entirely new script - he tweaked what John August had already written.
Certainly he's a hired gun executing the producer and director's wishes, but it was probably a ground floor rewrite, otherwise August would likely still have a union-mandated credit on the film.
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That is what I am figuring. And I can't help but feel that a number of these jokes are a result of his sense of humor... And, like you said, MB, if the whole movie is comprised of them, it's certainly going to be a different type of DS.
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Where I am having a disconnect with some of the discussions here about the "tone" of the trailer is calling it a "parody" or "spoof." I did not get that from the trailer. If the story is about Barnabas helping out the modern day Collins family while still dealing with Angelique (I'm simplifying the storyline we've been given) how is that a spoof or a parody? If indeed the humor we saw in the trailer is throughout the film against the backdrop of gothic horror, the humor seems to be directly as a result of what is happening at the moment. No, I don't see the Barnabas we know making some of the remarks the Depp Barnabas does, but it is not making fun of the character or a parody of the series. It's a character reaction.
The characters are going to be different in some ways from the ones we know, that's a given. I can handle that.
Maybe my idea of a spoof or parody differs. Obviously, I could be wrong but I did not see any of those things in the trailer. I saw humor and an alternate DS world.
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A different type of Dark Shadows?
It's not Dark Shadows at all.
Outwardly, it uses the names and iconography. Inwardly, it is an exercise in contempt.
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Given what Grahame-Smith has said, the credit does seem a bit strange in that John August is only given a story credit but Grahame-Smith has said that he was brought in just to tweak Barnabas. But the Writers Guild of America has very odd rules that deal with percentages and all sorts of things (the rules are linked to somewhere on the forum - probably the previous film topic that was started by Darren), so know knows...
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I will also say one thing as Jim Pierson has come up here. It's been stated that he is in all this for the money. I have known Jim since 1986. One thing he is not is money-hungry. That is simply not true. He does what a marketing person and freelance producer does, including putting spin on things, yes. He also represents the wishes of the Dan Curtis Estate, having also had the experience of working directly for Dan Curtis since about 1989 until Curtis' death.
I would love to be able to tell you many things Jim has professionally and personally done for people that put him out of pocket or at least diverted his chances for making little or nothing off a deal. Because of confidences, I cannot. Everyone has their faults but being money hungry isn't one of Jim's shortcomings.
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the humor seems to be directly as a result of what is happening at the moment ... it is not making fun of the character or a parody of the series. It's a character reaction.
That's what many of the latest interviews have stressed. The humor in the film doesn't make fun of the characters, it's character driven and coming from the situations in the film. And I can see that in the trailers.
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Why are there fans who think they are the Dark Shadows intellectual property police? Isn't it rather presumptious for anyone to be dictating to the family and colleagues of Dan Curtis, who knew him well what they should or should not do with his creative work? They knew what he wanted. For any of us to say Curtis would not like this is really over the top . . . we have no way of knowing that and the those who actually knew and worked for the man are better judges, don't you think?
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Where I am having a disconnect with some of the discussions here about the "tone" of the trailer is calling it a "parody" or "spoof." I did not get that from the trailer.
I think MB said it best:
However, there is no doubt that Burton and Depp enjoy spoofing DS and pointing out the absurdity of its situations and they haven't kept that fact a secret because all one need do is watch the videos from their appearance on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross to see it. Initially that interview frightened me to all hell - but I put those fears aside as others and more significantly Depp made more reassuring comments. But apparently the attitude toward DS that they expressed on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross is just as much a part of the film as those reassuring comments might be. And I've come to make my peace with that and am still trying to keep an open mind.
That is how I see it.
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Though I didn't mean to imply that Burton and Depp have created a parody of DS with the film. I simply meant that some of the things they enjoy about DS are things like how the flies land on or harass certain actors, which is something that Burton specifically cited in his comments on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross. They're in the camp that enjoys that sort of thing and probably many of the other bloopers. They get a laugh out of it and the absurdity of some of the show's situations, while many of us for the most part just tend to ignore things like the bloopers.
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Oh, I know that is what you meant. And that is how I see this exaggerated comedy fitting in, which, to me, comes down to spoofing situations in the original series. And I think that is the only way I will be able to enjoy those components of the film, as a commentary on the original.
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Well, that is a bit presumptuous and presupposes that all fans are of one mind. I would never accuse someone of not being a fan if they didn't share my vision, but that's just me.
But it isn't my vision. It's the vision and intent behind the source material and its various incarnations over the years (dramatic gothic terror/romance). From what I see in the trailer at least, the source material is being put under the lens of absurdity and presented as a comedy. I'm fine with new storylines and new directions for DS, but for me it needs to be true in more than just names, visuals, and storylines. Just because it's the big, shiny new DS I'm not going to just embrace it and say "Oh finally, something new!! I HUNGER FOR ANYTHING DS!! What? Oh sure, it's fine and dandy if they have Barnabas hanging upside down like Grandpa Munster while Mrs. Johnson dusts obliviously nearby! Slap those nasty panties on Barn's mug Angie!" :)
I love dark comedy - trust me, I do - but it's not right for DS, IMO. I'm NOT saying fans who mainly like the old show (and by extension the gothic genre for some) for laughs and perceived camp aren't really fans, but I AM saying that TYPE of humor was unintentional on the show and it isn't how DS should be depicted in something as major as a new movie by Tim Burton or a TV series (IMO). As I said earlier, I'm fine with poking fun at the show and its situations when it's done in the right venue (i.e. Sherlock's cartoons as mentioned by MB) but this is a MAJOR motion picture. I don't want to see DS rewritten onto the public consciousness as another Munsters, Addams Family, or Edward Gorey type tale (all things I also love BTW). What can I say? It bugs me.
With regard to Dan Curtis' vision - While I certainly didn't know the man personally, I thought it was pretty clear that he did not want DS played for laughs. Isn't it fair to say he was somewhat strict with how he wanted DS depicted?
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This does look sound and look like something of a mess, or maybe I should say a madcap parody, something closer to "The Adams Family" or an update of "The Munsters," with added vulgarity. I was never too excited by this movie, given who was directing, writing, and starring, so I'm not shocked or surprised by the trailer. I had planned to attend it just to see the cameos of the original DS cast, but I don't want to support this movie in any fashion any more. Selfishly, I hope it will simply disappear and be forgotten, but for those who will truly enjoy it, I guess I'll just let those who enjoy it do so, and keep my own interest in the original series undisturbed by the hoopla. I just hope that when the dust settles, the original DS actors won't be accused of selling out for a buck and a cameo. I'm sure their intentions were good but I hope this won't tarnish their earlier credits.
The original DS had it schlocky moments, but it also had depth of characterization and themes (for example, Barnabas's internal conflict over his vampirism and his ongoing tension in hiding his secret). Something else the original had, that I knew would be absent from the movie as soon as the writer was announced, was poetry. There was genuine poetry in some of the writing, including dialogue and opening voice overs. It would have been possible for a "Dark Shadows" movie to be produced today that was true to such aspects of the series as these, but that would have required a different vision. It would have been possible to do something fresh and still honor the original. That would have been a DS movie I would have been excited to see and support.
I grant that others have different ideas about what they enjoy about the original series and may well be enthused with the new interpretation.
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Why are there fans who think they are the Dark Shadows intellectual property police? Isn't it rather presumptious for anyone to be dictating to the family and colleagues of Dan Curtis, who knew him well what they should or should not do with his creative work? They knew what he wanted. For any of us to say Curtis would not like this is really over the top . . . we have no way of knowing that and the those who actually knew and worked for the man are better judges, don't you think?
Nancy, I completely agree with everything you wrote here. It is easy to sit back and criticize the decisions that Curtis' family are making in regards to the future of DS but I am sure it is much less easy to actually make said decisions.
As for Jim Pierson, I highly doubt that much of what we know about Dark Shadows and much of what exists as an extension of Dark Shadows would exist at all without his help and involvement. I spoke with him briefly at one of the two fests I attended, and he was extremely polite, intelligent, and cared enough to stop and have a word with me despite the craziness and insanity that was going on around us.
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I really don't understand why they would release a trailer that makes the movie look like a comedy if it isn't. Think about it, do you want movie goers that don't know the original to expect a comedy and then disappoint them when it isn't? Do you want fans of the original to think it's a comedy when it isn't and cause many of them not to go? If you say it's one thing when it isn't you are going to dissapoint. If you tell everyone the truth at least they know what they're getting into.
Sadly I think HBC is the only one that was truthful with fans and she was attacked.
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As for DC, well, he did introduce very intentional humor into the '91 DS with the changes that were made to Willie because from what I recall he felt that a humorous balance was needed to offset the biting and tearing - though everything else about that show was played seriously. And as I mentioned a few weeks back, because the Willie of the '04 pilot was to be more like the original, when it came that series had it gone to series, the DC's idea was that the fish out of water aspects of Barnabas' character were to be dealt with humorously, which is why I've also said that the humor with Barnabas in the new film just might be traceable right back to DC. Though we'll never know if the humor in a WB series might have gone as far as some of it in the film appears to.
And as for the poetry of the original, several participants in the new film have described it as having poetic elements. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if they materialize...
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I guess I shouldn't say that, everyone that said it was funny was also being truth. There were those that said we shouldn't believe them but clearly we should have.
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I don't think DC would have had Barnabas brushing his teeth, but I could be wrong.
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I really don't understand why they would release a trailer that makes the movie look like a comedy if it isn't.
There has been quite a bit of discussion in this topic about how often studios have put out trailers that have misrepresented films. It may not be the case with the new DS film. But it happens - and not infrequently.
Sadly I think HBC is the only one that was truthful with fans and she was attacked.
Though she was attacked in some corners of fandom for what she said about the original series. What she said about the film was that it has such diverse styles and tones that it would be hard to sell. And if we can believe what some are saying, we're seeing the humor showcased in the trailer because that's supposedly what Warner Brothers decided was the film's most sellable point - but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the only style and tone contained in the film.
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I don't think people weren't expecting there to be no humor at all. What most were expecting was black humor because that's the sort of humor the film has been described as having.
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MB - Are you suggesting that WB would lie to everyone and maybe hope people don't care when they go see it and it isn't what they were expecting.
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It would hardly be the first time that a studio had done so. But, no, as I said, supposedly Warner Brothers is primarily showcasing the humor in the film because they believe that's the aspect of the film that will get the most bodies in theater seats. Studios are cynical and that's their primary objective. But supposedly there is more to the film than just its humor - and while those aspects aren't being showcased as much, at least a bit of it is being seen in the trailers.
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What is interesting to note is that IMDB has removed the word "Horror" from its category listing of this film. Now "Comedy" and "Fantasy" are all that remain. [snow_sick2]
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I'm not saying that's wrong. But remember that we have no idea who maintains any of the listings on IMDb, not just the one for DS. And loads of the info there is anything from slightly misrepresentative to completely wrong. Who knows where the DS page falls. Though after all, let's not forget that the IMDb listing was one of the very few places that infamously listed Kirsten Van Wagner as having been cast as Victoria. [snow_wink] [snow_rolleyes]
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Actually, that was probably true too. She just decided she didn't like the color of the straitjacket. [snow_wink]
Anyway, I know how fussy IMDB is, but it's just disheartening to see a website remove a whole category listing like that. Thriller was the first to go. And now Horror... Just kind of makes one lose hope for something different from the trailer's offering... even though Vicki in the straitjacket makes me sooooooooo curious and hopeful.
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I take almost everything having to do with IMDb with a huge 3 pound box of salt! [snow_wink] [snow_laugh] And honestly, when it comes to things disappearing over there, how often did members of the DS film's cast disappear only to return in anywhere from a few days to a few weeks? What goes on there can be maddening if one pays too much attention to it.
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As I understand it any paying member of IMDB can make changes. I really don't know for sure because I'm not a paying member.
I'm hoping we get more trailers that show different aspects of the movie. This is showing the comedy. I'm hoping for one that shows the gothic side of things and maybe one that shows the horror side. We still have enough time for that.
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I've been a paying member of IMDbPro since the casting for the film began. So, maybe I could edit the listing to say the film is Sci-Fi and it's about vampires from Mars who invade Earth. But I'm not about to try. [snow_wink]
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what is vicki doing in that straight jacket, anyways?
her hair suddenly looks darker, more "brunette", in the recent images. love the posters.
can those perhaps be offered as avatars?
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love the posters.
can those perhaps be offered as avatars?
Indeed they could. I'll see what I can do about that as soon as I get the chance. [snow_smiley]
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They're all available. Choose "Forum Profile" from the "Profile" drop-down menu in the main menu. Then choose "Choose avatar from gallery" under the "Personalized Picture" heading. Then click on "DeppDS" from the directories listed. Then pick which character from the film you'd like to use. And finally be sure to scroll down and click the "Change profile" button.
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On the plus side, the new Burton/Depp DS is definitely getting people interested in watching the classic show. Friends who've always expressed mild interest in "checking it out someday" are finally watching. People online have been telling me they've started watching it on Netflix. Most responses have been positive, with the exception on one remark about the "slow as molasses pacing." I told them it wasn't made for the internet generation and that they needed to repeat stuff for those who might have missed a day or two. :D
It's kind of neat that some are doing their homework to get a frame of reference for the new movie.
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On the topic of "horror", I'm on episode 875 (deep into the 1897 storyline), and I'm having trouble recounting the last time I've seen anything on the show I'd even classify as "horror"...
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Madsncst I am glad that I mentioned my Facebook page. Again it was not a plug but some of the DS pages are very nasty However, again a friend and I moderate my page and do not tolerate attacks or anything of the sort. I also frequently mention this site telling people they should come here if they want to talk about DS in a civil manner.
As for people who never watched the original. I have 8 friends from my hometown who are coming to where I live now for a mini reunion the night the movie premieres. They have heard me talk about DS as long as I have known them yet they (except my best friend) have never cared to check out the original. They just knew how much I adored DS. When the trailer came out one of them contacted me and ask if we could all meet to watch the movie. Of course I am thrilled. And those who had never watched the original all told me they were going to start getting the original from Netflix after watching the movie. In my mind that is a great thing. I never could get them interested but apparently this trailer has struck a chord with them. And I couldn't be happier.
Again, I will be there opening night with an open heart and open mind......
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Just within the past few days such denials have come from Seth Grahame-Smith, Richard Zanuck, Tim Burton, Fangoria's editor-in-chief Chris Alexander, and even David Selby. It's like two different films exist and each camp is seeing a different version.
To my knowledge, Selby has made no comment since the trailer was released. His Facebook and Twitter pages have reposted comments from other sources, but I'm unaware of a direct statement from him.
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On the topic of "horror", I'm on episode 875 (deep into the 1897 storyline), and I'm having trouble recounting the last time I've seen anything on the show I'd even classify as "horror"...
Maybe not by modern standards, but every single supernatural character on DS is from the Horror realm. Many of the early Barnabas episodes played out like scenes from Bela Lugosi's Dracula. There is some stuff from the Adam storyline that is similar to the original Universal Frankenstein trilogy (Frankenstein through Son). And much of Chris's story is like that of The Wolf Man... Every time someone gets bitten or attacked, it's definitely horror-related. (There is just no other genre to put it in.) And there are some pretty gruesome things in the series... especially by 1960s daytime TV standards.
Original Series Episode 632 Spoiler:
[spoiler]
The death of Mr. Wells is especially frightening. [/spoiler]
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To my knowledge, Selby has made no comment since the trailer was released. His Facebook and Twitter pages have reposted comments from other sources, but I'm unaware of a direct statement from him.
I was referring to a comment that someone made that something had been posted on Twitter in the past few days. Though I do have to confess that I didn't check out his Twitter account for myself, so the comment could have very well been something that Selby had originally said elsewhere first. [snow_smiley] The comment was supposedly something along the lines that there would be things in the new film that will please original fans. And actually I didn't question the validity of what the person relaying the comment indicated Selby had said because I believe that I'd read a comment from Selby where he said something very similar to that - but yes, it was before the trailer's release.
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"If they're gonna f**k up DS, I'd rather Tim Burton f**k it up than anybody else." - Friend of mine
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Chloe Moretz to Receive CinemaCon Female Star of Tomorrow Award
The actress, whose next role is in Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows," will be honored at the closing night awards ceremony on April 26. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/chloe-moretz-cinemacon-female-star-tomorrow-dark-shadows-302885)
It's looking more and more like she's going to be a big draw for the film.
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I just did some scrolling through the trailer in high def, and there are a few genuinely creepy images in there! One thing that I hadn't noticed before, because it goes by so very fast, is when Angelique does that flip of her head: she looks like she'd been shattered and pieced back together, even with a few stitches here and there.
I'm really loving the production design, and I think it's really interesting how they were able to blend in elements of Seaview Terrace, Lyndhurst, and Greystone into the new Collinwood. The basic shape of the exterior is inspired by Seaview Terrace, with gothic elements and stone texture reminiscent of Lyndhurst and Greystone. And the grand foyer, looking toward the staircase, is very much like the staircase of Greystone as it was dressed for the Old House (even including a big window at the intermediate landing, where Greystone actually has a door).
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Everytime I see the house I think of Scooby Doo, but that's just me. The house at this point really important to me. The story is everything.
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I think it's really interesting how they were able to blend in elements of Seaview Terrace, Lyndhurst, and Greystone into the new Collinwood. The basic shape of the exterior is inspired by Seaview Terrace, with gothic elements and stone texture reminiscent of Lyndhurst and Greystone.
I love the new Collinwood. But that's probably no surprise considering I created an avatar featuring all the Collinwood sequences from the TV trailer:
(http://www.dsboards.com/clip6.gif)
(Though I noticed yesterday that there's a sequence in the first trailer that isn't in the TV trailer, so I just may have to redo the avatar to include it as well. [snow_wink])
And the grand foyer, looking toward the staircase, is very much like the staircase of Greystone as it was dressed for the Old House (even including a big window at the intermediate landing, where Greystone actually has a door).
Yes, the long shots of the foyer look amazing. And people weren't exaggerating when they described that set as huge. No wonder the only stage that could fit it was Pinewood's biggest stage.
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It's looking more and more like she's going to be a big draw for the film.
true. she's in the trailer more than anyone besides depp and green. definitely marketed towards the teen audience.
but she's just acting like the stereotypical sullen teenager. hopfully she does more in the movie besides just slam doors and crack wise.
speaking of depp and green although this has been proposed as a true "ensemble" piece the trailer is very much edited to make the two of them look like the film's main focus.
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For some reason I feel like Carolyn will have a big part in the film, in some way, shape, or form. It's just a feeling I have but I think that something she does will probably create a huge plot twist within the film's story. There's just been so much focus on her character and Moretz as an actress, she's being mentioned more and doing more press, it seems to me. Hopefully whatever the plot twist is, if my suspicions are correct, will be something incredibly shocking. Maybe she's working for Angelique and her family doesn't know?
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One thing that I hadn't noticed before, because it goes by so very fast, is when Angelique does that flip of her head: she looks like she'd been shattered and pieced back together, even with a few stitches here and there.
I'm really loving the production design, and I think it's really interesting how they were able to blend in elements of Seaview Terrace, Lyndhurst, and Greystone into the new Collinwood.
The head flip is so creepy. I had noticed that she doesn't look "all together," but I thought it was just me. I am glad someone else is on the same page.
And, yes, I LOVE Collinwood. It is beautiful, everything a fan could ask for, imo.
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As for me I think that Collinwood is beautiful and a great nod to Seaview Terrace. I visited the mansion in 2010 and it was an amazing experience. Yes it only has one tower on the new Collinwood; however, again everything doesn't have to be the same.
I love the nods to DS I have caught so far with "THE COLLINSPORT STAR" and did anyone notice in this picture with Angelique that it appears to have the infamous afghan makes an appearance (look to the left) and hopefully several! ;) Sorry if someone else has pointed this out. I did read it if they did.
As for Green I love her. I love the part when she spins her neck around. Barnabas and Angelique were a big part of Dark Shadows; however, I still think this will be an ensemble piece. Again, a two minute trailer cannot truly portray what all will be in the movie.
Brandon Collins it seems according to several different articles that everyone apparently has secrets at Collinwood but I like you feel that Carolyn will play a big part. I am not for sure what; although I have a couple theories. I am a reformed spoilerholic and don't want to know anything about the movie until it's over with. It just makes movies, television shows and books (for me) so much better to be spoiler free.
Eternally optimistic I continue to be!!
Tae
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I do love the look of Collinwood as well.
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I looked it up on IMDB tonight and discovered that Naomi and Joshua will be played by different actors than the modern family - an interesting difference from previous versions.
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Me too. I was hoping that the production would create its own Collinwood and not duplicate Seaview. The new DS version should have its own look and building a house that is a nod to the original Collinwood works for me just fine.
I do love the look of Collinwood as well.
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MICHELLE PFEIFFER Takes Us Behind The Scenes Of “Dark Shadows” (http://www.gorgeouspfeiffer.com/blog/?p=2411)
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Wow - looks like now we have to hunt down a copy of W. [snow_wink]
Thanks so much for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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More from the movie's writer. I am not impressed or comforted by his words.
http://collider.com/seth-grahame-smith-pride-prejudice-zombies-interview/154222/
A video clip of an interview with Mr. Smith. http://www.fearnet.com/videos/b25806_dark_shadows_beetlejuice_2_ndash_writer.html
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I'm still holding out hope. Actually listening to Seth's voice, and looking at his face, when he says that it does contain dark and gothic elements, is more encouraging than just reading his words. However, it's kind of funny when he says the trailer "kind of confused a couple people" (emphasis added). A COUPLE people?!?
And I'm sorry, but the rationalization that the movie had to be made "funny" in order to bring more people into it just doesn't scan. So people won't go see a movie that isn't funny???
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I'm willing to give Grahame-Smith the benefit of the doubt that he's being truthful unless/until I learn for myself otherwise.
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And I'm sorry, but the rationalization that the movie had to be made "funny" in order to bring more people into it just doesn't scan. So people won't go see a movie that isn't funny???
Probably what they really should be saying is that they added humor to make DS different from the Twilight films (which are pretty much deadly serious) because I have a pretty good suspicion that that was at least a part of their motivation.
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Probably what they really should be saying is that they added humor to make DS different from the Twilight films (which are pretty much deadly serious)
Don't you mean deadly, period? [snow_tongue]
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Here Mr. Smith says the trailer is an accurate depiction of the movie. "I think that we weren’t afraid to let Johnny [Depp] invent this character and be funny". It is clear to me that as producer of the film Depp wanted this to be a comedy from the beginning. This writer is just doing some damage control and deflecting. He doesn't ever fully answer the question in the interviews why he felt compelled to write a comedy unless he was instructed to.
http://www.slashfilm.com/film-interviews-timur-bekmambetov-seth-grahamesmith-talk-abraham-lincoln-vampire-hunter-wondercon/
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Well, like I've said, the decision to have humor in the film was made long before Grahame-Smith came on board, so we can't blame him for the fact that there's humor.
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Since the trailer came out I've heard the words "jokes" and "jokey" in relation to DS more times than, um, ever in my lifetime. That cannot be a good sign no matter how you cut it. [snow_huh]
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I still don't like the fact that he calls the original series "boring." That bothers me. You don't have to be a fan of it, but if you're adapting it, you really ought to, at least, enjoy it.
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I agree, CB. Of course the pacing of a 1960s soap opera would be boring if you were to apply it to a two-hour movie. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with tone and story.
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I still don't like the fact that he calls the original series "boring." That bothers me. You don't have to be a fan of it, but if you're adapting it, you really ought to, at least, enjoy it.
Not that I'm defending any opinions that Grahame-Smith might have of the original DS, but we should probably keep in mind that he wasn't hired because he's a fan and/or even enjoyed the show - he was hired because Burton really liked his script for Abraham Lincoln:Vampire Hunter and felt he'd be perfect for DS. And considering how often I've read/heard comments from screenwriters about how they weren't familiar with the source material before they adapted it, I'd say the situation seems to happen quite often.
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I am sure it happens all of the time, but SGS seems to have a difficult time saying positive things about the original show. Twice now in a matter of days, he has used descriptors that don't really cast Shadows in a positive light. It must have been a real chore for him to watch the episodes he did... And I'd imagine that would take some sort of toll on the writing process. But I could be wrong. [snow_sick]
I hope that we learn some juicy new tidbits from tonight's supposed screening. (Do we have confirmation that it is actually happening? I have not had time to verify.) It will be interesting to know if the reactions are as positive as last time.
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There's another test screening tonight? Where did you learn that?
Though if there is, one would hope that the people attending would actually honor the non-disclosure agreements that they will no doubt have to sign.
And as far as Grahame-Smith's script goes, one thing to keep in mind is Burton and Depp were the last word - so if they made it, they had to like it, particularly when it took so long to get a script that they really liked. Otherwise they would have asked for more changes. Though, of course, none of that means that it necessarily follows that it's a script that we will really like...
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I agree CB with your assessment of SGS.
I wasn't aware about the alleged new screening. Is that posted anywhere here? Thanks.
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It's a nasty rumor which I have heard twice now, but I can't get any legitimate sources for the information, which is why I said "supposed screening." I thought I mentioned it here, but probably decided against when I couldn't find any credible sources to cite. So, I guess we should all check Twitter just in case it turns out to be true...
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I am happy with his words. Again I want DS to be different and not another rehash. I have seen plenty for this lifetime. I continue to be optimistic; however, apparently some people are not as happy as I that it seems the afghan is making an appearance? LOL Or maybe no one read my post! ;)
I like that Seth said it's like going back to Sleepy Hollow and Bettlejuice. I love both of those movies.
<<<<Eternal optimist here.....
DS has brought some many wonderful friends into my life I want that for a new generation. I also agree that I am so tired of the goth chick girls with the moody vamps. It's getting old. I watch Twilight pretty much cause it has vampires. You wanna talk about camp and not for camps sake. The last movie was by far the worst and I was laughing throw the whole thing when I was not supposed to be.
And you know even Jonathan Frid wouldn't do the WB pilot so to me that seems like he thought the script was good or why else would he bother unless they paid him a huge amount of cash. It also seems Lara, KLS, nor Selby would have done the movie unless they liked the script. JMO.
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Now the word is that the next test screening is the 28th... (Supposedly it was originally tonight but was rescheduled? [snow_huh]) Again, I have zero credible sources for said information. This is just hearsay I am picking up. So, keep your eyes peeled for any possible mentions of this date.
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Just watched the trailer again and someone mentioned that it looked as if Sarah was following Josette when she says, "He's coming!" I am not so sure. I think it looks like Carolyn. Can anyone identify who it is???
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Taeylor, that's Vicki. [snow_smiley]
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And so it begins: the social media campaign we were promised....
https://twitter.com/#!/Zicklet/status/183077543249854464/photo/1
Here is the vampire's chair. Sit in it. Upload your picture. And make all of your nightmares comes true. [snow_smiley]
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Oh cool...Victoria is following her original incarnation . How cool. This is no offense to you I just always address her as Victoria. I always remember the line that Barnabas said about reducing such a beautiful name to Vicki. I hated hated when Barnabas started calling her Vicki. I thought it was so out of character.
YAY! I am on Twitter! :) Thanks Cousin B! :)
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I really don't think of Twilight, Vampire dieries, or True Blood as gothic. I never wanted a carbon copy of the original series, Night or House. I wanted the DS movie to be an original take on the classic gothic love story with a vampire, not a comedy.
Many people seem to think that if we don't like what we're seeing that we wanted a carbon copy, not true. They also think we are judging the complete movie based on the trailer, we aren't, we're judging the trailer.
By the way, I love True Blood.
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I'd love to see a movie faithly based on Hawks Harbor.
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I liked Hawks Harbor too, although I thought it could have used a good copy edit. Interesting POV. (I'm just trying not to spoil it for those who haven't read it.) [snow_wink]
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One major problem with all the DS incarnations is they repeat the same original Barnabas storyline over & over. We never get to see new takes on any of the other storylines (except 1795 in the 91 series).
New viewers have no idea that the OS had any other supernatural character other then a vampire & a witch!
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Frid didn't want to do the WB pilot because he didn't want to work, period. It never got to the point where he saw a script for the pilot. He didn't even see a script for the Depp movie.
Nancy
And you know even Jonathan Frid wouldn't do the WB pilot so to me that seems like he thought the script was good or why else would he bother unless they paid him a huge amount of cash. It also seems Lara, KLS, nor Selby would have done the movie unless they liked the script. JMO.
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I honestly don't believe that any of TOS actors read the entire script for the new film. I'm not calling anyone a liar, but with all the secrecy surrounding the movie, I just can't imagine Tim Burton releasing the entire script to four actors who were just appearing in cameos. I could be wrong, but I bet I am right.
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Now the word is that the next test screening is the 28th... (Supposedly it was originally tonight but was rescheduled? [snow_huh])
Maybe it's just me - and I could be wrong - but it seems odd that a test screening would be canceled at the last minute. [snow_huh] It's basically just a showing of the film where they gather feedback, so what would be so important to cancel it? But as you said, it was all hearsay without any credible source. At least last time around prior to the test screening there was plenty of evidence to back it up.
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Perhaps the test screening is for the studio heads?
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One would think the studio heads have seen it several times already (and those would be some of the screenings that Seth Grahame-Smith has referred to). That is normally the process before any general audience test screenings like the one that was held on the 13th are held. But who knows...
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I was just thinking TB was still editing the movie and they wanted to see the truly completed version with the score something the test screening audience didn't have available to hear. But who knows....
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That's certainly possible - the studio will definitely get one of those eventually. Though unless I'm mistaken Counsin_Barnabas has been referring to another test screening for a general audience. Or am I wrong in that, CB?
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One of the reasons I love NODS so much -- despite its flaws -- is that the storyline, barring inspiration from 1970 PT, still has totally new characters, a new take on Angelique, and a downbeat ending. I'm intrigued by the "Barnabas must save the modern family" aspects of the new film, as well as making Angelique a power player, as opposed to her Cassandra-filtration scheme in the original. I'd love an entire new story as well, but I suppose that's what future films will offer, if any.
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Those are some of the reasons why I like NoDS too. And if this new film does generate a continuation, it will be intriguing to see in what direction it goes.
And speaking of scoring the film, I keep forgetting to comment that it's interesting that Grahame-Smith mentions in one of those interviews from yesterday that in addition to Danny Elfman's own score, the film will contain popular music from the period. And I'm assuming he's not just referring to Alice Cooper's performance. So it will be interesting to see if any of the music from the trailers (beyond The Carpenters' Top of the World because that would certainly seem to be a given) actually ends up being in the film as well...
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i was set to go to the advance screening yesterday til it was postponed. i am going to go on wednesday. it is not for studio heads. when i went to see 21 jump street last wknd there was a guy handing out passes in front of the theatre for the ds screening. it says on the pass 18-49 yrs. i am 51. the guy says u just have to be CLOSE to the age but i could still get turned away because of age and also because the theatre could fill up. of course i will be there early and hope for the best. no explanation was given as for why the change. maybe they are doing some last minute editing.
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when i went to see 21 jump street last wknd there was a guy handing out passes in front of the theatre for the ds screening.
Ah. OK - that explains it. Thanks so much for the info, joe. [snow_smiley]
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I just talked to my daughter. She went to the midnight showing of Hunger Games. I asked her if she liked the movie. She said she did then she says "I'm sorry Daddy". I asked why and she says they showed the preview for DS and it was so cheezy. She said that no one she knows wants to go see it and that she knows how important it is to me.
I said that I that have the original on DVD and what they can do whatever they want. She says "you don't understand. When the preview started you could feel excitement in the room, when it ended it was just quite. No sound from anyone. It was like WTF"
I'm hoping to go see the Hunger Games tomorrow. I hope the reaction is better.
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it says on the pass 18-49 yrs. i am 51. the guy says u just have to be CLOSE to the age but i could still get turned away because of age and also because the theatre could fill up. of course i will be there early and hope for the best. no explanation was given as for why the change. maybe they are doing some last minute editing.
Joe, the people walking the line will ask you for a photo ID to verify that you are who you say you are, but I don't think it necessarily has to be a driver's license or something with your age on it. The girl in line next to me had forgotten her license, but the lady she talked to asked if she had some other kind of photo I.D. and all was OK. I would advise you to get in line as early as you possibly can to improve your chances of getting a seat. Good luck!
And speaking of scoring the film, I keep forgetting to comment that it's interesting that Grahame-Smith mentions in one of those interviews from yesterday that in addition to Danny Elfman's own score, the film will contain popular music from the period. And I'm assuming he's not just referring to Alice Cooper's performance. So it will be interesting to see if any of the music from the trailers (beyond The Carpenters' Top of the World because that would certainly seem to be a given) actually ends up being in the film as well...
The T-Rex song is. I honestly don't remember if Barry White was or not, but there was at least one other song from 1973 rather than 1972.
Personally, I enjoyed the use of contemporary music to enhance the setting of the film. The use of music in the opening was especially powerful, IMO.
ProfStokes
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Great new image (click on it to enlarge):
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/23/dark-shadows-on-set-exclusive-johnny-depp-tim-burton-back-in-black/#/2
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Finally - the article they tweeted about three weeks ago. Thanks so much for the link, Phil. [snow_smiley]
And yes, those are great new photos! (Don't miss the other new one in the slideshow!)
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Great new image (click on it to enlarge):
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/23/dark-shadows-on-set-exclusive-johnny-depp-tim-burton-back-in-black/#/2
Ha, Phil, I just found this and was about to come here to post the link. There is what looks like a great long article, too, but I only had a chance to briefly skim it as I'm about to be called back to the lab where I work. Make sure to see the slideshow too, starting from pic #0, to see another pic of Johnny and Tim, as well as other pix we've seen before from DS and other pix of other Johnny/Tim collaborations:
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/23/dark-shadows-on-set-exclusive-johnny-depp-tim-burton-back-in-black/#/0
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There isn't much new (or anything that will make skeptics happy, at any rate) in the new article. But that pic is huge, and the first good look I've gotten of the Barnabas portrait.
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I really hate to say this but maybe Rob Zombie Could have done a better job at this. If this does doesn't make sense it's because it's been a long day and I've been driking. I riped off the nail from my big toe and I'm on my 4th drink. And they have all been very strong.
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I really hate to say this but maybe Rob Zombie Could have done a better job at this. If this does doesn't make sense it's because it's been a long day and I've been driking. I riped off the nail from my big toe and I'm on my 4th drink. And they have all been very strong.
YES!
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I don't know if it's been mentioned yet (I haven't read every post in this thread), but from the trailer it appears that Angelique Bouchard went from being a servant in 1772 to a wealthy, powerful corporate mogul in 1972 and intends to use not just her supernatural powers, but her material powers to bring down the Collins family (scenes of what looks like her office as well as her sitting at the head of a table of some board of directors' room, etc.). It seems to me that she is not just Angelique, but an amalgamation of Angelique and Burke Devlin. I wonder if this was deliberate on the part of Depp/Burton, or just a coincidence?
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That's a very astute observation, Gerard. [thumb]
One point the article brings up that I'd never even thought about is that it makes it sound as if perhaps humor had to be injected into the script just for Warner Brothers to even agree to make the film. If so, that would be an interesting piece in the development of the film.
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Borgosi, that is very interesting regarding your daughter's report from that midnight showing of Hunger Games. Thank you for sharing that.
I had already sort of figured that Angelique has been combined with the original Burke Devlin character in this version. I still haven't a clue how Bill Malloy is supposed to fit in.
I'm sorry but I have played the trailer a number of times and I don't see any way it could be interpreted other than as a spoof. And sometimes, I can really get into a good spoof.
It would really help though if I could stop seeing Eddie Munster whenever I look at BarnaDepp Scissors...
G.
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I didn't see anybody mention this line from the article:
[spoiler]...Burton chatted with Bonham Carter next to a laboratory vat of vampire blood.
I would infer from this that there will be some aspect of Julia working on a cure for Barnabas in the film.[/spoiler]
I personally find that somewhat encouraging...
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To me Dank Shadows is a spoof. I just don't see this that way. However, we all have different valid opinions and that is what fandom is about. In the dictionary it does say a spoof can be "to mock" and I don't see either Tim or Johnny mocking DS as mocking is : to attack or treat with ridicule or contempt in most cases.
Thank you so much for the article and the interview with Tim! Love the picture of Johnny in front of his portrait.
I do want to point out that it appears there have been more changes to the flashback then we have ever seen before. Granted we haven’t seen all of the flashback but of what we have seen it appears that way. Angelique and an army apparently buries Barnabas not his father and he isn't buried in a Mausoleum. It also looks as if more people than just Willie find him.
Spoilers just to be safe.
I was thinking about sequels as well. If the movie does well, it would seem that Barnabas would be pretty adjusted to 1972 after a while and there would be no point in rehashing his encounters with all the new fangled contraptions he encounters and I think that could bring forth darker sequels ahead.
I probably annoy a lot of you guys! I am just an eternal optimist. I was one of those who loved the pilot of 2004 so I am pretty much open to anything DS
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thanks for the tip profstokes. i do have a work id with my name and pic on it and no birthdate. i will try that.
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This is no offense to you I just always address her as Victoria.
Haha. No offense taken. I just like all of my ingenues' names ending in the "long 'e'" sound: Vicki, Maggie, Daphne, Tracy... It makes it so easy that way. [snow_cheesy]
i was set to go to the advance screening yesterday til it was postponed. i am going to go on wednesday. it is not for studio heads.
So glad to know that we have confirmation. Thanks, Joe. I guess my sources were pretty credible after all. [snow_smiley]
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That's a very astute observation, Gerard. [thumb]
Thanks, MB! If my suspicions are true, I think it would make a very good twist on the DS story in the film. Picture a miffed Angelique, spending 200 years plotting her revenge against the Collins family for what just one member did to her. She builds up her material power (with a bit of help from her supernatural power) over time. She goes from being a servant girl to maybe a hopeful author of romantic authors while living with other young women and becomes successful sometime in the 1840's, and then as a southern belle following the Civil War marries a young entrepeneur to take over his lumber business and turn it into a major construction company, and in the 1940's she opens a small restaurant and turns it into a raging success (okay, so I'm borrowing from earlier sources, but didn't DC?) until by 1972 she is the owner and chairwoman of the largest aluminum-and-plastic Christmas tree corporation in America, now ready to make her move against the Collinses. But to muddy the waters, Barnabas is back and he's royally miffed at her and wants to defend his family, so she's torn between revenge and love/lust and wanting to do the largest corporate takeover of a family in order to decimate them until Carnival takes over Cunard, Princess and Costa. And look at what Costa's done to Carnival so there you have the makings for a great fiasco.
There just might be far more DS stuff in this movie than anyone of us could possibly expect. I'm more than willing to give this film version its chance. Besides, I still find the whole TV Karen Carpenter thing hilarious. And I find it far more realistic than Barnabas knowing how to open a car door minutes after Willie released him from his coffin in HoDS.
Gerard
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Just got back from The Hunger Games and there were three trailers and there was not real reaction to any of them. Oh, I wasn't at all impressed by The Hunger Games.
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one gets alot of interesting reactions, and blank stares, when one announces "oh, but this witch runs a fish cannery". [snow_rolleyes]
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Rumor has it that there is a new television spot which features Barnabas cramming himself into a box of styrofoam peanuts.
And I didn't think the situations could get any worse than the ones in the trailer... I'm going to wait til I see it, but if that doesn't sound like spoof material, I don't know what does.
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After DS is out a few weeks we will know how it worked. No one can go by reactions in theaters in my opinion. Most people thought 21 Jump Street was stupid. I thought the trailer was stupid and I thought it would suck and it may to me; however, there is a lot of great reviews and people are saying it's great.
We will see more on after the first week because you know the first weeks returns will probably be the people who are open to DS and the others who are interested....
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i don't know that it's a "spoof" or a "parody" but it's definitely a dark comedy.
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A box of styrofoam packing peanut? Just what we need, another "groan" moment. Hope is draining away. What a disappointment.
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Rumor has it that there is a new television spot
Needless to say I haven't come across that TV spot yet (because I would have shared it) - and I've DVRed quite a few shows this past week. In fact, I was going to ask today if anyone has seen any TV spots for the film since Sunday because I haven't come across any since the one that ran during Once Upon a Time on Sunday. I've only seen things for Salmon Fishing in the Yemen and 21 Jump Street (no surprise as they're currently playing), and The Hunger Games (certainly no surprise since it opened this week), and Wrath of the Titans and Mirror, Mirror (no surprise as they open next week).
I guess my sources were pretty credible after all. [snow_smiley]
And perhaps you should have more faith than to refer to their info as nasty rumors. [snow_wink]
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Rumor has it that there is a new television spot
Needless to say I haven't come across that TV spot yet (because I would have shared it) - and I've DVRed quite a few shows this past week.
Actually, I saw a commercial for it during one of the college basketball games yesterday, and I noticed that it contained at least one new scene with Barnabas standing in a street as a car whizzes by him. I also noticed another scene that showed Barnabas looking in from outside a window while hanging upside down. I do not remember a scene dealing with styrofoam peanuts.
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Ah ha - the basketball games were not something I've recorded - but I'll certainly start to starting today. [snow_wink]
Thanks for the heads up, usffan. [snow_smiley]
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Great new image (click on it to enlarge):
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/23/dark-shadows-on-set-exclusive-johnny-depp-tim-burton-back-in-black/#/2
I'm surprised nobody commented on this quote from the article...
That connection doesn’t exist with young moviegoers today, however, and the producers of the new movie aren’t going to encourage anyone to check out the originals because, well, it wasn’t, technically speaking, a great show. “I think,” Burton said evenly, “you could say it was actually awful.”
We all know classic DS had its flaws and technical issues but jeez, did he have to call it "awful?" :(
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And perhaps you should have more faith than to refer to their info as nasty rumors. [snow_wink]
MB, they are very nasty to me, because I can't confirm them! [snow_cheesy]
Actually, I saw a commercial for it during one of the college basketball games yesterday, and I noticed that it contained at least one new scene with Barnabas standing in a street as a car whizzes by him.
I also heard this. Supposedly the packing peanuts come at the tail end of the commercial, so it may be a different spot from the one you saw. But, it's just another nasty little rumor... Because I have no proof of the existence of this particular part of the ad! [snow_cheesy]
I'm surprised nobody commented on this quote from the article...
That connection doesn’t exist with young moviegoers today, however, and the producers of the new movie aren’t going to encourage anyone to check out the originals because, well, it wasn’t, technically speaking, a great show. “I think,” Burton said evenly, “you could say it was actually awful.”
We all know classic DS had its flaws and technical issues but jeez, did he have to call it "awful?" :(
I don't think any of us were too shocked to read that. Now that we have seen scenes from the film and have heard like remarks from other people. I wholeheartedly disagree with Burton on that issue, even if he was just referring to the technical aspects. I go through dozens of episodes at a time without noticing anything that is so terrible that it draws attention away from the story. Yeah, they are bloopers. But for 1,125 episodes, they are really rather few and far between. More than anything, you hear flubbed lines or see wandering eyes. But that doesn't make the show awful. It just makes it more authentic. [snow_wink]
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*1,225 episodes, rather!
Ah ha - the basketball games were not something I've recorded - but I'll certainly start to starting today.
Yeah, I guess we have to look all over!
And has everyone seen the final display?
https://twitter.com/#!/search/dark%20shadows/slideshow/photos?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyfrog.com%2Fmmhokaj
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I had not seen that - thanks so much for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
People were all up in arms that there was nothing to promote the film - but now look - there are all sorts of promotional tools. Warner Brothers isn't exactly sparing any expense. [snow_wink]
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I just scanned through the first 2 hours of basketball and there wasn't anything for the DS film. But then when it came to any sort of entertainment the only ads CBS ran were all for their own shows.
CBS *may not* promote films until primetime tonight when they get to charge beaucoup bucks for such things.
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One of the spots I heard about ran last night, so I think that the evening is definitely the best bet.
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I just scanned through up to 4:30 and there was still nothing but CBS' own promos, so I agree that it's looking like IF there are any DS film ads, they probably won't run until tonight. However, is less than 30 minutes I'll be leaving to go to a birthday party and I know I won't be home until long after tonight's basketball is over. So, IF anything does show up, don't look here for any video from it until after 12am ET...
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You are awesome, MB. I wish I had the magical recording powers you have! If I did, I would definitely be on the lookout for these spots.
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CB the link you referenced to the display doesn't appear to work at least not for me.
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Try this one, jimbo:
http://yfrog.com/mmhokaj
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Thanks Cousin_Barnabas for uploading the pic. Greatly Appreciated. It looks like one of those huge multi dimensional displays. Do they really expect the movie theaters to monitor people sitting in the chair. I have a feeling the chair won't be able to sustain heavy usage. WB really needs one of us here to come up with more imaginative displays. They are making this movie into one big Addams Family like joke.
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I actually like the display. But then I like the poster and the graphic on the film's Web site.
Unfortunately, no DS film ads on CBS today. There were ads for Prometheus (which if you like Sci-Fi, looks pretty good), Battleship, Snow White and the Huntsman, and multiple ads for Wrath of the Titans. Apparently Warner Brothers was pushing the latter today because in addition to the normal ad there was even one in which Sam Worthington talked about the tournament.
Perhaps we'll have better luck with tomorrow's games.
Or perhaps I'll come across an ad during one of the programs that I recorded this past week but haven't watched yet. I'm not holding out hope for that. But who knows...
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Oops - I forgot to mention that two of the people who were at the birthday party that I went to tonight overheard me talking about the DS film and they mentioned to me that when they went to see The Hunger Games today the DS trailer was shown and it got a good response. Interestingly, they said the scene that got the biggest laugh is the one in which Barnabas is hanging upside down while Mrs. Johnson makes the bed (though they didn't mention Mrs. J. by name because they had no idea who she even was). And the second biggest laugh came from Angelique licking Barnabas' face (though they simply referred to Ang as the witch).
I guess it just goes to show that different groups of people are responding differently to the trailer and even responding differently to individual scenes.
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You know I was thinking today. Not matter what beef people have with the funny comedic reactions to the futuristic things Barnabas encounters they should still go see the movie. My reasoning is this. There is only so far that they can take that. If we (pray to the MOVIE GODS) get several sequels I cannot see them perpetuating those types of things. Eventually, Cousin Barnabas would get used to all the aspects of Dark Shadows. If there were to be sequels I can see them focusing more on the dark aspects of the show with possibly Quentin's haunting and other possible storylines from the series. It's a thought. I could be wrong but I again think there is only so far you can go.
I was also thinking about the line where Barnabas tells Angelique to basically kiss his ass. I can see Carolyn possible saying just that to him or something and maybe that was the way he interpreted it back to Angelique. Again, it's just a thought. I could be wrong.
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Thanks Cousin_Barnabas for uploading the pic. Greatly Appreciated.
Oh, I didn't upload it. Just found it and deemed it necessary for sharing. [snow_clown]
Like MB, I like the display. Plus it's already gotten several uploads from various people. It's a decent marketing gimmick.
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i saw that display at the amc burbank theatre. went to see THE HUNGER GAMES there. i did not like the movie. they did show the ds trailer and it just got a few chuckles from the audience.
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Sorry CB. I meant to thank you for providing the link.
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Alice Cooper has shared some pics of his costuming for DS, courtesy of the awesome Colleen Atwood. They CGI'd his face to make him look like he did in the 70's- the link says it's similar to what they did in Tron, and (since I didn't see that one) I wonder if it's also the same they did for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. (Edit- I mean that he'll be CGI'd in the film, not the photos. They show marker dots in the photos). Anyway, interesting!
http://instagr.am/p/IkT167p606/ (http://instagr.am/p/IkT167p606/)
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Sorry to double-post- by the way, I just received Return To Collinwood from Amazon (yay!) I haven't read through it yet, but I was flipping through to look at the photos. I see at the end that KLS thanks a bunch of people, including Colleen Atwell. I'm hoping she didn't mean to say Colleen Atwood, but I fear that maybe she did, because many of the other names were associated with the film. If so, oops! [snow_smiley]
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the cut-and-paste trailer reveals a few things...
i noticed that in some clips of the family at the breakfast table they are eating on mismatched crockery and there is tarnished silver on the sideboards. in others highly polished silver and matching china.
so i'm wondering if barnabas provides collinwood with the "fix up" he gave the old house on the OS. is that what the party is being thrown for?
he announces that he wants to restore the family business to it's "former glory". is that stash of family jewels hiding somewhere?
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Michael C, I think you are exactly right.
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I suspect Barnabas does fix up Collinwood. For one, he's supposedly disgusted when he discovers the condition it's in. And for two, we've seen photos of the outdoor set with beautiful landscaping, but when Barnabas is standing in front of what the trailer seems to imply may be the newly finished 1772 version of Collinwood, there is only bare landscaping. Of course, that doesn't mean that they can't add more landscaping for subsequent scenes in 1772 - but we've been lead to believe that 1772 is only a small fraction of the film, so it would seem more likely they would go through the trouble of extensive landscaping for 1972 where the effort would be allowed to be showcased more often. But who knows? All that circumstantial evidence could prove to be completely wrong.
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Saw this movie tie-in on Kathy Cody's page posted by a fan: Orly Dark Shadows 2012 Nail Polish Collection (http://www.bodycare.becomegorgeous.com/hands_and_nails/orly_dark_shadows_2012_nail_polish_collection-7218.html) Love those crazy names, and only $8.50 ea.
Included is info for a chance to win a private movie screening with 50 friends.
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Thank for the photos of Alice Cooper, madscntst. [snow_smiley]
I'm sort of jealous that you've already received your KLS book from Amazon because they didn't ship my copy until today and I supposedly won't receive it until Thursday. Though things often arrive before they tell me they will.
As for Colleen Atwell vs. Colleen Atwood, well, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it really is a typo. [snow_rolleyes]
And don't worry about double posting because new info is always appreciated. [snow_wink]
And yes, Midnite - those nail polish names are too funny [snow_cheesy] - but perfect for DS. [snow_wink] Thanks for sharing the info. [snow_smiley]
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Front page of today's Calendar section of the LA Times:
Undying Quirk 'Dark Shadows' reinterprets a favorite show from its director's and star's youths. As adults, they're having fun with it.
See Reply #3123 for a link to the text of the article on the Times' blog, and it includes a couple of the same photos-- Burton and Depp hashing out a scene, and Depp in front of the portrait that's half-page sized. Also, Lara Parker's Angelique next to the original portrait (and the fact that she's sporting fangs might be confusing to the new fan).
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I wonder whether the nail polish tie-in has to do with Orly getting the contract to do Depp's fake fingernail manicures for the film. The high resolution photos certainly do show them to be an unusual shade of pink.
I was thinking about parody this weekend while revisiting the 1967 Casino Royale. It seems as if the reaction to its release back then paralleled in some ways what is happening with Depp Shadows. The 1967 film is now regarded, by some of us at least, as a masterpiece and brilliant time capsule of its era. But back then most critics and moviegoers treated it as "Bomb, James Bomb." Re-watching this film from a bygone era (the same era that gave us original series DS of course) made me realize that the eventual response to Depp Shadows could be a more nuanced one than I had hitherto conceived.
For myself, watching the trailers and the rest of the Depp Shadows runup unfold has clarified for me that I'm no longer interested--if I ever really was interested--in any Dark Shadows remakes, period. I know people follow KLS's lead in saying DS is like Shakespeare and every actress deserves to give her take on Josette (or whoever). But to me, DS wasn't like a theatrical epic; it was like the part of my family I never met--the people who were like ME (which nobody else in my real family ever was). To that extent, I like the publicists' angle about every family having its weirdies or however they're phrasing.
If I walked into a room and saw somebody portraying my Aunt Lillian, and not only that, had the imposter who was supposed to be her running around in a crushed velvet cape with five hundred pounds of pancake makeup, it would be jarring and I wouldn't be able to "just get used to it." To me, DS is a cast of characters portrayed by Jonathan Frid, Grayson Hall, Joan Bennett et al. as they were 40 years ago.
I don't think I will ever be able to get through to some of you how it all makes me feel... this is my last attempt at it.
Enjoy the movie.
G.
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Luck today! I was just scanning through the basketball game and discovered that at 2:29 ET a 30 second spot with all sorts of new scenes was shown. (Scenes that answer all sorts of questions and seem to beg one huge question!) However, video and screen caps may not be forthcoming until later tonight because I need my computer to do several other things and I'm not quite sure how long they're going to take me. Though who knows if there may be another spot before today's games are over because, as I said, Warner Brothers had a few different spots for Wrath of the Titans yesterday.
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Sounds very intriguing, MB, and thank your for your vigilance. Looking forward to your vid and images!
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Luck today! I was just scanning through the basketball game and discovered that at 2:29 ET a 30 second spot with all sorts of new scenes was shown. (Scenes that answer all sorts of questions and seem to beg one huge question!)
Thank God! I felt bad that I'd mentioned seeing it on the basketball games and then saw that you'd skimmed the games yesterday in vain looking for it. I didn't catch the commercial today and am anxious to see the screen captures as well as learn about the questions (answered and revealed) from the newest one.
I saw The Hunger Games yesterday with my daughter, who is a fan of the books. I personally thought the movie was just OK. They did have a large number of previews, including the original trailer we've seen for Dark Shadows. I didn't detect any reaction (positive or negative) from the audience.
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It could be that TB & JD were big fans of DS when it was first on but never watched it after it left the air. If so there memories could have been very different for what the show was really like. They may have gotten the rights to do the movie and then watched the show and only then decided to make it a comedy.
I know there are movies that I loved as a child only to laugh at them as an adult, one would be The Giant Claw.
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I think I can certainly understand what you are saying GOTHICK. I have watched GENERAL HOSPITAL for 23 years and they are like my family as well. I cried all week last week when Robin was killed. However, I don't think I would be opposed to a big film adaptation of General Hospital. The rest of the post is general and not directed to anyone in particular, well maybe those nuts on Facebook...
If anything perpetuates Dark Shadows and brings new fans to the show or fandom then that makes me happy. And for me, no one seems to understand what I mean by that. I just want DS to have a new generation, we need fresh blood in fandom, we need people in fandom. How can one judge an entire movie based on a trailer??? I say that to myself. It looks good to me but I may hate it; however, I am still going to suppport the movie and give it a shot.
Again I have 8 friends who are going to watch the original after they see the movie? Is that not a good thing? I cannot for the life of me understand those original fans who are hell bent on boycotting and trying to make this fail. I just feel it's sad that we have such a close minded fandom ) I understand what your say in) who are not open to anything new. When Star Trek Next Generation came out I remember Trekkie's being so upset and we all know how that turned out. It lead to three more series and a reboot of prequels. That is all I want is DS to endure is some way shape or form.
I totally respect you Gothick your a good friend of mine and I can totally see where you are coming from.
I went to see Hunger Games last night BTW way and when the DS trailer came on people were howling and laughing and enjoying the trailer here in Kentucky. Maybe it will go over well with us southerners! ;)
If they never watched they certainly have a good mind. The Collinsport Star is a nod, the part is a nod, Bill Malloy is a nod, the whole Angelique vs Barnabs is a nod to the first year with Burke and the Collins family. I can't see them not watching some of the source material. If they didn't they sure have great minds. Perhaps they read the scripts??
I clicked on the YOUTUBE trailer that was with the nails polish (love the names) and there is really a lot of good comments. As others have said, yes we have nods to us fans, yes we have four of our originals and lots of other great stuff as a wink and nod to the fans. However, this movie was made to introduce a new generation to DS. And I have no doubt many (like me after the 1991 version ended) will definitely check out the original. And that is what I care about most of all. That people will come to the original and perpetuate the show for another 46 years.
Again just my thoughts. I respect everyone's opinion. However, I do feel every Dark Shadows fan should go watch the movie and help to perpetuate the show on and on. I may get yelled at; but I think it's our duty to give it a chance whether we like or hate the trailer.
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Here's the new spot, darlings.
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/28882?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Or here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdzVWNXQZ0
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That is definitely the spot - though why the aspect ratio of both of those is 4X3 and not 16X9 is anyone's guess. [snow_huh]
I was just going to post that I was surprised to realize that Angelique doesn't appear to be in it. And I say "doesn't appear" because the big question I was referring to earlier is who is that woman that Roger is kissing in the last scene? It almost looks like Liz (which would certainly bring new meaning to "incestors"), but I suspect it's more likely to be Victoria (which would be interesting), or Angelique, or perhaps even some female character that we're unaware of at this point...
Also, CBS ran the spot again at 5:32 ET, so it looks like it's the only version they'll be showing today - and it's probably the last time they'll show it during today's games.
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that is stunningly different in feel than the trailer. if that had been released first we might have seen less outrage from the outer limits of this fanbase.
to digress back to gothick's remarks...
i know what you mean. the OS cast is in a funny way real to me in a way that no other film or television cast is. joan is liz. alexandra is vicki.
yet despite that, and while a comedy is certainly not what i expected or wanted, this appeals to me for some reason.
alot of it i think is casting. when the 2004 series was underway i couldn't get excited about the casting. i couldn't get into marley shelton as victoria. and kelly hu as julia and blair brown as liz were as wrong as any piece of casting i've ever seen. the rest were unmemorable.
yet here bella seems like a charming vicki. hbc looks like a hoot as the good doctor. michelle a standout as liz. the more i see the trailer the more i like eva as angelique. the rest of the supporting roles looks like fun.
and visually, in terms of sets and costuming and art direction, it looks sumptuous.
so, yeah, the "chevy" and other lame jokes fall flat but i'm intrigued about the rest of it enough to still be excited.
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that is stunningly different in feel than the trailer. if that had been released first we might have seen less outrage from the outer limits of this fanbase.
And look at how some of the description of when Barnabas says "You have no idea how thirsty I am!" made it seem like it was played for big laughs, yet to me it doesn't play that way at all.
Anyway, I'll be posting screen caps from the 16X9 version of the spot as soon as I can get them ready...
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I do like that trailer. Thank you.
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i know that these spots are cut-and-paste but in the trailer when barnabas asks willie what year it is there is no blood on his face...
and in this it's covered in blood. [snow_huh]
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Thank you so much for the link! I LOVE IT! That is a million times better than the trailer.
"A woman doctor... What an age this is." My new favorite line. Sounds just like something Frid's Barnabas would say, imo.
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Oh my. Why didn't WB release this first instead of the trailer which seemed to please no one.
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4 screen captures from the new stuff in the first 30 second TV spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/40000013.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #13 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/40000013.jpg)
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First off, let me say that I LOVE this new commercial for the film!
I did not notice that new commercial during the basketball games today, but I did see what I presume to be the same commercial I saw on Friday night. It was much more similar to the trailer that had previously been released, although it included a scene with Barnabas standing in the street as a car whizzes by. It's funny, the scene I had previously described as having Barnabas hanging upside down and looking in through a window is the same scene with Roger kissing somebody. How did I notice Barnabas and fail to notice the action in front of me? Sadly, it also did include a scene with Barnabas on the floor surrounded by a bunch of styrofoam packing peanuts.
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Another 4 screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/40000167.jpg)
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And another 4 screen captures:
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And another 4 screen captures:
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And another 4 screen captures:
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And the last 3 screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/40000807.jpg)
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Oh my. Why didn't WB release this first
Well, we've always known that there would be more than one trailer and several different TV spots. And Warner Brothers' Marketing Department probably released the first trailer first because they truly believed it was going to get the best reaction from the public. But notice I didn't say the best reaction from DS fans - and that's because I'm pretty sure that we're inconsequential to them. And as far as the general response goes, look at how so many different entertainment Web sites wrote pieces saying what a hit they think that first trailer is and how much they like it.
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Actually I have a different spin on this but you may be right. I think the studio released this trailer based on the negative reaction segment to the first trailer. In terms of thinking positive I think WB wanted to present another dimension of DS to the general public. But who really knows for sure. Thanks MB for the wonderful detailed captures!
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Something tells me this particular TV spot was put together at the same time everything else was (meaning what we've seen and what we will see in the future). That's generally the way the marketing works. And then the studios trot them all out over time. But yes, the different trailers and spots are definitely designed to showcase different aspects of a film. And while the Internet was ablaze with some factions of DS fans protesting that first trailer, Warner Brothers' Marketing Department was probably smiling to themselves and quite possibly even having a good laugh because they knew that they have other things in their back pockets that will continue to be released...
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Love the set design for Julia's lab. It's so lusciously theatrical as are so many of the key sets in this opus.
Funny that Angelique doesn't appear at all in this one. Haven't a clue why not since she is so important to what we've been told about this story.
Thanks so much for the captures, MB. The images whizz by far too quickly otherwise.
BarnaDepp looks as if he is wondering "what sort of claret cup is that?" as he watches the people (in the Blue Whale?) eating ice cream sundaes.
G.
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Thanks so much for the teaser. I like it very much and I am glad that it shows the differenct aspects of DS. That is why so many people and including me are trying to get people to understand. I think Tim said it best..."it like a mixture of six different movies." As for the pilot, I do agree this is a much cast. Although, I did really like Marley as Victoria and I liked her Tipi Hederin look as well. I thought she was smart and I hope to see it released on DVD.
I think it looks like Roger is kissing Angelique. The hair looks too blonde for Bella Heathcote. Perhaps Roger and Angelique is another nod to the original???
Very happy maybe this will calm down a lot of the so called "purists"
Gothick...I agree it looks great in fact all of the sets and costuming are simply amazing and I think HBC (although I was against her at first) will be a hoot.
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to me the woman with roger doesn't look like any of the main female characters.
some floozy he picks up on the docks, perhaps? a victim for barnabas?
it looks like i was correct in that barnabas funds the restoration of collinwood as well as the cannery. those jewels must turn up.
and the ubiquitous miss moretz is absent too. this spot must have been aimed at an older audience.
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I think it looks like Roger is kissing Angelique. The hair looks too blonde for Bella Heathcote.
Though the hairdo as the woman tumbles back onto the desk looks more in the style of Liz (not that Angelique can't wear her hair in a similar style at some point) and if it is Liz, well... But so far as plot goes and what we've been lead to believe about Roger, I can see him somehow being involved with Angelique.
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The peanuts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQihhpBxdM&feature=player_embedded
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this spot must have been aimed at an older audience.
Apparently is was also meant to attract the demo that watches basketball. And the really interesting thing is that every other film spot today was for a film that will likely primarily appeal to young males (Prometheus, Battleship, Wrath of the Titans, and Lockout- all either Sci-Fi or Action films or ones that combine both). And as far as regular commercials go, it was all beer and cars and hardware and tractors and more beer and more cars and investments and trucks and more beer and more cars and sports bars and car insurance and more beer and more cars and...
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The peanuts:
Thanks so much for the link. [snow_smiley] And at least that one is in 16X9, and though it's not available in 1080p, at least it is in 720p.
It seems odd that if Barnabas has that coffin in a room somewhere that he would also be sleeping in a linen closet and a cardboard box. [snow_huh] But who knows - perhaps all that takes place before he has his coffin...
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This latest trailer (for TV) certainly does give a different, darker perspective of the movie's approach. While it's obvious from the original theatrical one that there will be humor (and, perhaps, a great deal of it, but none of it I, at least, find offensive but realistic), it appears that there will be a more gothic, horror-prone atmosphere. I hope that tries to soothe those who think Depp/Burton have taken our beloved DS and turned it into a big-budget Weekend at Bernie's. I am so looking forward to this movie. I've got at least a dozen friends, only one of whom was a DS fan, all excited and planning a DS-film-going party and outing. We want to make an all-day affair of it and are trying to figure out what we want to do (go out to eat? - have a DS BBQ at one of our homes? - maybe watch my video of HoDS? - watch episodes on youtube? - specialty drinks?). A friend of mine, one of my best friends ever, absolutely loathed DS and would make fun of me for being a fanatic. Now he can't get enough of looking up every youtube or other on-line video, asking me lots of questions, etc., all because he saw the original theatrical trailer when he taped Ellen's show at my request. From my experiences, the original trailer, which many films have villified (and thus villified the film), is now creating a new fan base who want to know about the original. And the movie isn't even out yet - this is just from the trailer. The other night, I brought over my Best Scenes From DS videos to a couple of my friends' house and they watched them. If I had shown them pre-trailer, they would've stilled rolled their eyes. This time they sat in silence, mesmerized. When they saw the clip of my favorite scene ever - when Judith reads Grandmamama's will to her stunned sibblings and watching their reactions - my best friend who use to loathe DS could only say: "That's brilliant." And all of this because of the first trailer.
Maybe what Depp/Burton did will be brilliant. I know I can't say that yet (as those who are mortified can't say all this has proven to be a original DS disaster), but we'll see. I still love, love, love the scene where Barnabas goes bonkers over watching a TV broadcast of the Carpenters singing I'm On Top of the World and his reaction. I would've loved to have seen a scene of him doing that in the original (maybe dealing with Bewitched or The Munsters [imagine his reaction to Grandpa]), or maybe a scene of having him react to Willie showing him how to use a zipper on his Robert Hall suit he donned when he decided it was time to introduce himself to the family as "a cousin from England." "What demonic, magical machinization is this?" Really, is that any different from the '91 series when Abigail reacted to the instructions for cleaning Victoria's dress - "Machine wash; tumble dry?" As much as I found the '91 remake lacking from the original, having them react to the few 20th century things Vicki possessed were not only comical, but comically true. It made more things far more realistic even when humor was used.
Gerard
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Something along the lines of a one-minute commercial just aired on Mad Men on AMC. It is somewhat different than the others, [spoiler]Elizabeth is voicing over the origins of Barnabas at the beginning, and at one point Angelique says, "No one talks like you anymore, Barnabas." Finally, Barnabas asks Carolyn how old she is, and after she replies that she is 15, he says, "Fifteen! We must put those birthing hips of yours to good use!" These quotes are as close to accurate as I can recall.[/spoiler]
Petofi
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The third and final spot from the weekend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWK3wSVLShI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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The third and final spot from the weekend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWK3wSVLShI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[spoiler]I guess that ends the mystery of whether (at least) Elizabeth knows Barnabas' secret.[/spoiler]
Sigh...
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And I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I always felt it would be interesting if she knew... And one could very well think that she did in the OS.
1897 spoiler ahead:
[spoiler]If Edith didn't die before she told the secret, it would surely have been passed down to Liz... unless something happened in the interim.[/spoiler]
Plus, I think it's good that all three of our power players (Barn, Liz, Angie) are on the same page... especially considering the time constraints of the film.
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I agree, Cousin_Barnabas. In fact, I think it's going to make Barnabas and Liz' relationship fascinating.
Thanks for posting the link. [snow_smiley]
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Of course! I was so excited about the UNCANNY bite scene! If that doesn't make fans of the original happy, I don't know what could...
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The function of a trailer is to create interest in a project, which the first trailer certainly did. It generated a lot of discussion (free advertising) and made the trailer far more memorable than a more traditional spot would have. Is it any worse than the low rent Karloff narrator from HODS inviting audiences to come see how the vampires do it?
I love that this movie has a sense of humor. Having characters who are witty and intelligent can make the film more enjoyable. Clever dialogue was one of the best elements of Buffy. The repartee between Steed and Mrs. Peel is often more appealing than the story lines.
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KLS is really annoyed over the piece and sent a letter to the editor. She posts extensively on her feelings regarding the article on her FB page.
Front page of today's Calendar section of the LA Times:
Undying Quirk 'Dark Shadows' reinterprets a favorite show from its director's and star's youths. As adults, they're having fun with it.
See Reply #3123 for a link to the text of the article on the Times' blog,
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I, for one, understand your point of view even though I don't have that same kind of investment in the original characters and story. If I have any emotional attachment to the original it is to the people I've met at festivals/conventions over the years and became friends with. Nothing will detract from my enjoyment of the original. But I don't have the kind of attachment or emotional investment in any of the characters that prevents me from watching a reworking of the original no matter how out there it may be. Obviously, not everyone feels the same way.
But to me, DS wasn't like a theatrical epic; it was like the part of my family I never met--the people who were like ME (which nobody else in my real family ever was). To that extent, I like the publicists' angle about every family having its weirdies or however they're phrasing.
If I walked into a room and saw somebody portraying my Aunt Lillian, and not only that, had the imposter who was supposed to be her running around in a crushed velvet cape with five hundred pounds of pancake makeup, it would be jarring and I wouldn't be able to "just get used to it." To me, DS is a cast of characters portrayed by Jonathan Frid, Grayson Hall, Joan Bennett et al. as they were 40 years ago.
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Thanks for the great links and the wonderful screen captures! [snow_smiley]
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I, for one, understand your point of view even though I don't have that same kind of investment in the original characters and story. If I have any emotional attachment to the original it is to the people I've met at festivals/conventions over the years and became friends with. Nothing will detract from my enjoyment of the original. But I don't have the kind of attachment or emotional investment in any of the characters that prevents me from watching a reworking of the original no matter how out there it may be. Obviously, not everyone feels the same way.
I understand Gothick's point, too, and I can really empathize with it. And if I was being truthful I would have to admit that I really do have an emotional connection to the original DS and (most of) its characters (I'm not talking about you, Jeff Clark, or you, Jeb Hawkes. [snow_wink]) Though at the same time I don't believe that any of the original actors are the only ones who can embody any of the characters or that any of the characters and storylines can't be reinterpreted with new and even major twists and turns (I came to truly love Jim Fyfe's Willie in the '91 DS - and he's about as different from the original take on Willie as it can possibly get). I suppose that's why, even though this new film will not be what I might have originally hoped it might have been, I'm still open to what it will turn out to be - and yes, even though in many ways it appears to go quite far afield from what we've come to expect DS to be. And again if I'm being truthful, I would have to admit that I really do love much of what I'm seeing in the trailers and TV spots. And the more I see, the more I'm coming to be won over, and the more I'm coming to love and to be intrigued by. Was I initially disappointed that the new film won't be what I might have originally hoped it might have been? Yes. But I've also come to be excited for the film it might turn out to be - and that despite having few illusions that except for maybe a few sequences here and there it will be the serious take on DS that we're most familiar with. And I'm also not blind to the fact that most often studios put all the best stuff in the trailers or the fact that trailers showcase mere minutes from any film, so I'm also well aware that when I see the final film, it could easily turn out to be quite a disappointment. But I won't be making any decision about what I ultimately feel about the film until after I've actually seen it all for myself.
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I had a thought the other day-- I realized that if there is anything I am unhappy about regarding the trailers and TV spots I've seen, it's the music they're using. Somehow, it's the music that seems a little too flip or something- the actual scenes, jokes and all, look fine to me. Granted, at least Alice Cooper's No More Mr. Nice Guy will be in the film, though I guess it's going to feel more in context then. And I think I heard somewhere (maybe here) that Bang a Gong is included in the film, as well. Don't get me wrong- I love those songs! But in the context of the film trailer they seem a little much or something. But maybe with more of Elfman's score (especially if there are nods to Cobert's music) maybe the feel of the movie will start to feel more right to me.
Interestingly, after I started thinking this thought, I went to watch the DVD I rented this past weekend, Young Adult, that had an old trailer for Hugo with it. I was struck by how *little* I liked the Hugo trailer in comparison with the film itself, and noticed that the trailer didn't have the final score music with it. For me, the music was so important in conveying the sweet, warm tone of the film. I guess I'm just very impressionable in how music shapes my feelings. Hmm.
I'm actually loving the idea of Barnabas sort of skulking around in the background- hanging upside down, shoved into an armoire, etc. I'm guessing that Johnny had a ball doing that.
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KLS is really annoyed over the piece and sent a letter to the editor. She posts extensively on her feelings regarding the article on her FB page.
i'm not sure what all the fuss is about. i read the piece and it's not that unflattering. we've all certainly heard worse.
seems like a tempest in a teapot.
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I'm sort of jealous that you've already received your KLS book from Amazon because they didn't ship my copy until today and I supposedly won't receive it until Thursday. Though things often arrive before they tell me they will.
And this was no exception because my copy of the book arrived today. I've only glanced through the photos but I was pleasantly surprised to discover the shot with Michelle Pfeiffer because I'd figured most of the interesting photos associated with the new film had already been circulated on the Internet. And I'm definitely looking forward to reading the section about the new film.
(And I was also pleasantly surprised to discover new NoDS photos as well as many from the '04 pilot. I'm really looking forward to reading those sections as well. Though at this point I don't know what new details I could learn about NoDS - but the section is written by Darren, so if anyone could pull something new out of his hat, it could be him. [snow_wink] And just as a side note to anyone still wondering, the book really does contain loads of completely new and/or different versions of photos from every incarnation of DS. The book is certainly worth it just for the photos alone.)
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Discovered this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmUdV6mnF64&feature=player_embedded
Some of it actually works really well...
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I don't know what the intent of that version was, but to me it actually shows that much of the new film version hews to the original.
Thanks for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [snow_smiley]
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It does. Except they had to kill all the Barnabas-Angelique sexy scenes. [snow_cheesy] Because, after 1795, that didn't happen. So they had to use Bramwell and Catherine for the final montage instead.
Still want to know how the new Barnabas justifies that in his own mind. It will be interesting to see.
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Thanks for finding that Youtube, Cousin B- that was pretty entertaining! [snow_smiley]
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This movie will be nothing like the original series and that is the truth. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/johnny-depps-dark-shadows-costumes-bloopers-304723
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(In response to the article linked by Jimbo above)
I'm sorry, but I must emphatically take exception to describing the original series as having a "plethora of bloopers ... in very episode" and being "hilarious (in that so bad it's good way)". This is getting ridiculous. The production values of DS were the same as for any other soap opera of the era, and the show was very far away from being in the same league as Plan 9 from Outer Space. Taking a string of bloopers from a series that ran for over 400 hours greatly exaggerates their importance, and in absolutely no way gives a true representation of the typical episode. "DS is so bad it's good" has simply become the mantra, repeated by people who really have no clue as to what DS is actually like.
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This movie will be nothing like the original series
Though the writer thinks that's a good thing. And I would actually disagree with her take that the film will be nothing like the original because much of what I've seen in the trailers and TV spots is indeed like the '60s TV Series. But it is most probably true that we won't be seeing "the plethora of bloopers – wrong props, bats flitting about on visible wires, falling scenery, muffed dialogue, the crew seen walking through shots, the cast trying in vain to ignore them" in the film, much to some fans' disappointment because many have said that they didn't like the '91 Series because it was missing those things and was too polished. To each their own, I suppose - though I can't say I missed them. [snow_wink]
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For the record I also disagree with the writer. As you know I am against this movie as presently constituted.
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"DS is so bad it's good" has simply become the mantra, repeated by people who really have no clue as to what DS is actually like.
Though quite sadly, and as I said the other day, that's the picture the media paints nearly every time DS comes up. And for better or worse, it's probably why a good deal of the potential audience for the new film will not find anything about the humorous situations to be unexpected because they'll go into the film expecting it because, unless they're the type of fans who ignore such things, that's the way the original show has always been presented to them. [snow_rolleyes]
But, as I also mentioned the other day, as much as we might like to, we can't discount the fact that even among fans there's a large group that's into the bloopers, etc. - and those are the things that really attract them to the original show...
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Well, what do you know - tonight Extra did a segment on the big films of the summer, and DS was included. It's about time!
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DS was way ahead of other 1960s soap operas. Sy Tomasoff's sets were build and detailed to a level that was far in advance of the standard of the day. Bob Cobert's score had avant-garde elements and a level of artistry that left the campy organ cues of other soaps in the dust. At a time when standard soap scripts were mainly about the nasty slattern down the street, DS was evoking everything from Dracula to The Little Foxes (by Miss Hellman).
I know I am singing to the choir but honestly...
G.
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The truly sad thing is that unless you were around back then and saw what the other soaps were doing and how some of them almost looked like they threw up a couple pieces of plywood and put a chair and a lamp in front of them (I'm still talking about you, General Hospital), you have no idea how much better DS was in so many ways. And the vast majority of the people writing about DS in the mainstream media these days were not around back then, so we get articles that give little credit to how innovative DS was and instead focus on "the plethora of bloopers – wrong props, bats flitting about on visible wires, falling scenery, muffed dialogue, the crew seen walking through shots, the cast trying in vain to ignore them." And what's even sadder is it's just something we have to come to terms with and live with because I doubt it's about to change anytime soon, or probably ever - particularly when it's already been going on for more decades than I care to remember...
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The third and final spot from the weekend:
I've just discovered that finally someone has put up a 720p version of this:
Dark Shadows - 60sec TV Spot. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhxHGV4lNDU)
And of course that means I'll have to get some screen caps from it now. [snow_wink]
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Yes, we know that there were lots of bloopers in the original, and in some ways that has made it endearing to its fans. But, I'm sure no one expected a movie to deliberately have mistakes like that in order to be like the original! Of course a movie would have wonderful and modern production values, and can take the time and expense to repeat things until they are right. Having bloopers isn't what makes it anything like the original; it's whether or not the plot and the acting are true to the spirit of the original.
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For myself, watching the trailers and the rest of the Depp Shadows runup unfold has clarified for me that I'm no longer interested--if I ever really was interested--in any Dark Shadows remakes, period. I know people follow KLS's lead in saying DS is like Shakespeare and every actress deserves to give her take on Josette (or whoever). But to me, DS wasn't like a theatrical epic; it was like the part of my family I never met--the people who were like ME (which nobody else in my real family ever was). To that extent, I like the publicists' angle about every family having its weirdies or however they're phrasing.
If I walked into a room and saw somebody portraying my Aunt Lillian, and not only that, had the imposter who was supposed to be her running around in a crushed velvet cape with five hundred pounds of pancake makeup, it would be jarring and I wouldn't be able to "just get used to it." To me, DS is a cast of characters portrayed by Jonathan Frid, Grayson Hall, Joan Bennett et al. as they were 40 years ago.
I originally had a very lengthy reply to this, but it got deleted. So here's my second attempt at letting you know how much I valued your response:
I just want to say that I totally understand where you are coming from and appreciate it a great deal. Thank you so much for sharing this.
To me, there will only ever be one Dark Shadows. All others, past and future, will be their own entities. They may have similar elements to the original, but none will ever be as special or as wonderful as the series that ran from 1966 through 1971.
I may like this new film or I may not. Whether I do has very little to do with the original series, though. Because it is that show which has provided me endless enjoyment, helped me through some hard times, and remains one of the only programs I will watch over and over again for the rest of my life.
I hope I can find some way to enjoy this new film. But if I don't, it doesn't affect how I feel about the original. It will always be mine. It will always be very special to me, far more so than any film any modern filmmakers could create. Dark Shadows was my childhood. And, as such, it is a great part of me. Nothing can replace it or hold a candle up to it.
I just hope that this new Dark Shadows provides similar enjoyment to new audiences, and that I, with my somewhat rigid fanboy mindset, can enjoy it on a different level. We shall see.
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5 screen captures from the new stuff in the first 60 second TV spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000124.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000146.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000379.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000413.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000432.jpg)
(Of course they're not nearly as good as if I'd gotten a copy of the TV spot myself - but hopefully that can happen before too long)
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4 more screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000607.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000863.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000927.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50000980.jpg)
(And apparently in that same scene as Willie is washing the car, there is landscaping going on.)
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4 more screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001001.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001033.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001112.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001212.jpg)
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4 more screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001256.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001290.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001292.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001316.jpg)
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And the final 4 screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001351.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001464.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001510.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/50001533.jpg)
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Over the weekend, I watched a fascianting documentary called Tales from the Script (it's available for DVD rental or streaming through Netflix). The movie features a number of prominent Hollywood screenwriters discussing their experiences of writing, pitching a script, and inevitably watching as their work is modified (sometimes beyond recognition) by directors, actors, studio heads, and script doctors. John August is one of the writers interviewed, and he speaks about his working relationship with Tim Burton (which I found especially interesting, in light of their work together on the DS movie). Since there has been some discussion in this topic about who is responsible for the tone and direction of the film, I thought this doc might help to shed some light on the process of script development in general and how that may have come into play in this case.
ProfStokes
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To me, there will only ever be one Dark Shadows. All others, past and future, will be their own entities. They may have similar elements to the original, but none will ever be as special or as wonderful as the series that ran from 1966 through 1971.
I may like this new film or I may not. Whether I do has very little to do with the original series, though. Because it is that show which has provided me endless enjoyment, helped me through some hard times, and remains one of the only programs I will watch over and over again for the rest of my life.
I hope I can find some way to enjoy this new film. But if I don't, it doesn't affect how I feel about the original.
Back in '04 when the WB pilot was in development, I made the following post:
Of course, it's completely understandable to believe that nothing can ever come close to recapturing the same magic of the original DS. But at the same time, there's no reason not to believe that something different, but possibly equally special could potentially be created - not to replace the original - but to coexist alongside it. That's the way I see the '91 series, and I'm hoping a WB DS might turn out to be something even more interesting.
And that's the way I'll continue to approach every new version of DS that might come along. Though in the case of the new film, it's not going to be anything like the '91 series or what a WB DS might have been. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be enjoyable in its own right as a very different version of DS...
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I totally agree, MB. And in my original response (the one I stupidly closed out of!), I mentioned how much I enjoy the 1991 series (especially the music and Joanna Going)... just on another level from how I enjoy the original. I hope that I can say the same of the new project. We shall see.
Thanks again for the amazing captures. There are so many to love from this new ad, especially THE BITE! [snow_cheesy]
And ProfStokes, thank you for the tip. I will have to check it out... whenever I can find the time! (So busy!)
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Amanda, that documentary sounds fascinating. Thanks.
I was (and still am) a fan of a 1990s series called Poltergeist: the Legacy. It had very little to do with the Poltergeist films; it was one of those psychic investigation team series. Anyhow, there was this one writer whose email got out to the fan community. He wrote the best scripts for the series, with layered characterizations, intriguing nuances, witty dialogue, etc. I wrote to him a few times over the years and he was always gracious enough to respond.
I'll never forget our exchange about the last script he wrote for the series. I wrote to congratulate him (they had pretty much stopped using him at that point) and he told me that in the final filming script, there were only two words, or maybe it was two sentences, left from his original script! But he got paid and got the onscreen byline anyway! As dear Grayson used to say, Who can figure anything, especially in "Hollywood" (technically Poltergeist was produced in Vancouver).
G.
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I originally had a very lengthy reply to this, but it got deleted. So here's my second attempt at letting you know how much I valued your response:
I'm glad you tried again, but I'm guessing you meant that it got deleted somehow before it was posted on the boards. [smlyb]
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Dark Shadows movie honored. http://www.bectu.org.uk/news/1486
Thanks so much for the new captures MB!
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Dark Shadows movie honored.
That's certainly interesting. Though many people who worked as extras on the film did tweet that they had a great time, so I suppose that only proves it. [snow_wink] Thanks for the link. [snow_smiley]
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Eva Green speaks briefly how she did not rely on the original series to prep her for the Angelique role.
http://www.film-news.co.uk/show-news.asp?H=Eva-Green:-TV-show-was-uninspiring&nItemID=10690
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From the interview with Eva Green:
“When I met her [Lara Parker] I was thinking, ‘Oh no, I haven’t done my homework! It was weird: she thought she was playing Angelique because she had a cameo,” she recalled.
I'm sorry, but that is patently false.
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There are so many to love from this new ad, especially THE BITE! [snow_cheesy]
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that the bite from the 60 second TV spot is somehow related to a scene in the first trailer. If so, it explains why that scene in the trailer comes off looking so odd. I haven't gotten the chance to investigate the trailer scene more closely, but when I do I'm going to see if there's any evidence to prove or refute my theory...
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The number of responses on this subject is daunting and I’m having quite a time keeping up. But it’s really great to get the low-down first hand - news articles, screen caps, et al. So when someone asked me yesterday if I’d heard about the new DS movie and seen the trailer yet, I’m like, duh.
I like Johnny Depp and I’ve enjoyed a number of his films. I think his Dark Shadows will be fun, but it certainly doesn’t seem to be homage to the original show. My response to my inquiring co-worker as to what I think about the new film was, “Well, it’s certainly in league with what Depp and Burton usually put out”.
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I haven't gotten the chance to investigate the trailer scene more closely
I checked it out and (DON'T PLACE YOUR CURSOR ANYWHERE NEAR THE SPOILER WINDOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW):[spoiler]I don't know how I missed it. But I suppose it never even entered my mind when the first trailer first came out, so it wasn't something I would have been looking for or anything I would have noticed because I didn't post a screen capture from where it showed:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/00002265.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #2265 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/00002265.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/00002265a.jpg)
Apparently Barnabas attempts to kill Angelique by attacking her and god only knows what else to get her neck twisted like it is in the sequence - but surprise - it doesn't work. But then trying to kill her never really worked in the original show either. [snow_wink]
An interesting question is why are those police and the crowds there?[/spoiler]
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Eva Green speaks briefly how she did not rely on the original series to prep her for the Angelique role.
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_wink]
I wonder if she's in the US version of GQ or just the European version? And not having seen The Shining since it first came out, I don't even remember Jack Nicholson’s bar scene - but I do wonder what it was about that scene that particularly helped her to play Angelique?
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Just received this tweet from GK Films on my phone:
gkfilms @gkfilms
9 exclusive full body character banners for #DarkShadows have just been released on @iTunesTrailers http://bit.ly/HmRkZw
1:32 PM - 28 Mar 12
I haven't had the chance to check them out yet, though...
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Interesting spoiler pics. Thanks for posting them. But, does anyone else notice what appear to be[spoiler]deep scars on Angelique's face?[/spoiler] What could be going on here? Hmmm.
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I haven't had the chance to check them out yet
I just finished downloading them all (be sure to use the download link below each poster to get the 1600X2333 versions) and wow - as far as I'm concerned the posters just keep getting better and better. I love so much about all of these, though I particularly love how this time around it's Bella Heathcote as Josette du Pres - and perched on Widows' HIll no less., and Liz with a gun - way to take charge, and how Collinwood (with a feature we had yet to see) is seen up on the hill behind Angelique:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ClwHill.jpg)
I really need to stock up on color ink for my printer so that I print all of these out...
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I'm glad you tried again, but I'm guessing you meant that it got deleted somehow before it was posted on the boards. [smlyb]
Oh yes... It had nothing to do on your end! It was all me. I always hit the backspace button whilst out of the text box or else I close a browser tab by accident... Happens every time I have a lengthy reply. [snow_cheesy]
As always thank for the links and tweets! The posters are fantastic! But I was a little stunned to see Liz with a gun! [snow_cheesy] But it totally make sense.
And MB, thanks for the pics. That is a very astute observation. I really wonder what all happens to her!
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Thanks MB for the tweet and the link to the new posters! Liz with a shotgun just cracks me up, for some reason. I love the others, too, especially getting to see the Josette representation of Bella.
I had the weirdest dream last night, that DS was released and was nothing like any of us expected- it was very colorful and surreal, and I think it had muppets in it! Or at least Barnabas taking the form of a frog or toad at one point (it wasn't Kermit, though- I want to be clear about that!). But it was still very horror-filled. The weird thing was, in the dream, I loved it! When I woke up and remembered, I thought to myself, ugh, I don't think I'd actually love it if it looked like that! LOL, so maybe at least for me, the actual film will be a relief in comparison [snow_wink]
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Out of curiosity do we know if the tonight's test screening is still on?
Madscntst I hope you are right about the movie being horror-filled. That is what I am dreaming too but there is no frog in mine. jk
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Interesting spoiler pics. Thanks for posting them. But, does anyone else notice what appear to be[spoiler]deep scars on Angelique's face?[/spoiler] What could be going on here? Hmmm.
Yeah, Neil, I noticed Angelique's overall look in that scene a while back when scrubbing through the video in very slow motion. I think MB has an interesting interpretation, but I can't buy it, partially because [spoiler]those don't really look (to me) like bite marks on her neck.[/spoiler] But I also have absolutely no idea what's going on with Ang in that scene! It's so weird (and creepy)! It's really looking like this movie is going to have a lot of twists and turns totally unlike anything we've seen before in DS.
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I think MB has an interesting interpretation, but I can't buy it, partially because [spoiler]those don't really look (to me) like bite marks on her neck.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think Barnabas definitely bites Angelique because if you check out the dress on the woman Barnabas is gearing up to bite in the first screen capture in reply #3236, she's wearing the same dress that Ang is wearing in the twisted neck scene.[/spoiler]
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OMG, MB, you're right! [snow_wow] What the beep is going on in this movie? [snow_huh]
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I think it's going to be CRAZIER than Jenny! [banana] [banana] [banana]
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Maybe, if this movie does well enough, they'll release the restored originals to theaters for a limited run.
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I see that the price on Amazon for the film's soundtrack has dropped to $13.90. And if things play out as they generally do there, chances are it will fall even more as the release date gets closer.
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Hope this isn't a re-post but GK Films added DS to its website. http://gk-films.com/
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Definitely not a repost. In fact, I've been checking there about every other day since the official Web site came online, and even as of Monday there was nothing, which surprised me.
Thanks for the heads up, jimbo. [snow_smiley] I'll have to go check things out...
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Gee, considering how much stuff is already available, there's not much there yet. [snow_rolleyes]
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I know. Perhaps they are just beginning. Another interview of KLS. I wonder what suprise announcement is coming and it would have been nice if Darren's name was mentioned when discussing the NODS restoration.
http://awardcontenders.com/dark-shadows-then-and-now-an-interview-with-kathryn-leigh-scott/
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What is the music playing on the Dark Shadows page of the GK website?
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On the far right side it says Edge of Darkness by Howard Shore.
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Thank you, jimbo. I see that now. It sounded very dark. That was why I asked. I was really hoping we could hear something of the new film score. Unfortunately, we have to wait. [snow_grin]
I am very interested in this big announcement KLS alludes to.
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It seems to me as if that music has been playing on the site for at least the past two years - maybe more - so we're probably not likely to get any sort of clue from them as to what the DS soundtrack may sound like.
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LOVE THE NEW SPOTS! I love the new interview with KLS. I am glad she is being open minded. And I adore the posters! :)
Thanks everyone!
Still open minded fan here<<<<<
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I had the weirdest dream last night, that DS was released and was nothing like any of us expected- it was very colorful and surreal, and I think it had muppets in it! Or at least Barnabas taking the form of a frog or toad at one point
madscntst, were there also clowns and dancing skeletons in your dream movie? ;)
ProfStokes
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That was my dream. [wink2] Or should I say nightmare.
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Maybe they'll do a prequel and the Kernit will be a David's party. ;-)
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I love the new interview with KLS. I am glad she is being open minded.
i could end up being wrong but i doubt that kls...or parker or frid or selby...or for that matter any of the OS actors who come to the fest every year as invited guests and have their expenses covered will publicly have anything but positive things to say about the movie. they are in the end cogs in a larger machine where DS is concerned.
the fest is not just a social or fan event. it is a branch of DCP who's business it is is to keep the franchise alive and hopefully profitable. in a sense, if they want to remain in the good graces of the operation, it's part of their "job" to publicly speak well of this project. privately they might hate it but i'll bet they'll only go on record speaking of it well.
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the screening is going on right now! i was turned away because of my age.i was with fans, louis wendruck, steve broitman, kathleen resch and marcy robin. we were all turned away. they even had a photo of louis wendruck and he was told he couldnt be admitted because he posted the event on facebook which he did not. jim pierson was there and he even tried to get kathy,marcy and steve and i in but said he didnt have the final say and it was up to warner bros representative. we hung around hoping beyond hope that he would come through. he managed to get marcy and kathy in but kathy turned down the invite in protest that steve and i would not be admitted. maybe someone in the right age range or marcy will post a review but there were disclosures signed to prohibit people from posting about the movie that everyone signed. i will just have to see it at the vista theatre on may 10th
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It's nice to see the tongue gag is abbreviated in that last spot. And Alice Cooper has been featured in only one version, if I recall. He looks too old, he's too old to play himself. I like Alice Cooper but I wish they could abbreviate him right out of the movie. T. Rex was the better choice, they should have gotten a Marc Bolan lookey-likey.
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maybe someone in the right age range or marcy will post a review but there were disclosures signed to prohibit people from posting about the movie that everyone signed.
And because of those non-disclosures that were signed, I would doubt that Marcy Robin would violate hers by posting anything and hopefully no one else will violate theirs either. But if something should show up anyway, PLEASE ONLY POST ABOUT IT IN THE "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers" TOPIC WHILE ALSO KEEPING THE NOTICE IN REPLY #81 OF THAT TOPIC IN MIND:
Admin Note:
Even though this is a spoiler topic, Midnite and I would please ask that none of the specifics of the scenes mentioned in the aintitcool.com article be discussed. Firstly, that site may not respect the non-disclosure agreement that people had to sign, but we do. And secondly, while Midnite doesn't mind general spoilers, she'd really like to not have the story spilled before the movie opens when she can see it for herself! And she can't avoid reading this topic because I'm already avoiding it. So, we would appreciate it if you respect our wishes. [snow_smiley] There will be plenty of time to discuss specifics about the film after it comes out. [snow_wink]
Thanks,
MB
AS WELL AS MIDNITE'S EXPLANATION IN REPLY #86 OF THAT TOPIC:
A nondisclosure agreement includes all information that isn't publicly known at the time of disclosure, so "all that much beyond," while it might not seem like a big deal to a casual reader, IS a violation, and ... we're stepping into legal territory with any report that violates the NDA, so while we don't police off-site links, please understand the position of MB and myself when we seek to prevent the discussion of them here. Thanks.
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[evily]
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/pennydreadful/083.jpg)
Art by Matt Tryee, colors by Val Staples
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Joe, I'm really sorry to hear that you and your party were turned away. However, I am proud of Kathy for showing solidarity with you. Incidentally, I wondered if Jim Pierson would be present at the March 13 screening, but I didn't see him. I expect Marcy will release some kind of statement about the movie in the next ShadowGram, even if she can't give specific details about the content.
ProfStokes
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Believe me, if Jonathan Frid doesn't like the movie, he will say so just as he trashed HODS while it was still in the movie theater. And he was making a lot more money then and had more to lose . . .
it is is to keep the franchise alive and hopefully profitable. in a sense, if they want to remain in the good graces of the operation, it's part of their "job" to publicly speak well of this project. privately they might hate it but i'll bet they'll only go on record speaking of it well.
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Joe, I am sorry you got turned away.:( Kudos to Kathy.
Nancy
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madscntst, were there also clowns and dancing skeletons in your dream movie? ;)
No, but if they're in a future dream, I'll let you know [snow_wink] [snow_cheesy] [snow_clown]
Joe, sorry to hear you didn't get in. I'd also be over the age limit, though I suppose I could've tried my govt. employee photo ID that has no age. For years, I always looked much younger than my real age, but in the last 5-8 years, I think I caught up and then some, so I might not pass for younger anymore :(
PennyDreadful, I love your image, even if I don't totally agree with the sentiment! [snow_smiley]
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Did I miss something here? What is this age limit thing?
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Penny, that drawing is superb! absolutely love it and love you for posting it!
Fangs for the memories,
Uncle Gothick (emphasis on the "ICK! the Thing that wouldn't die!" bwahahaha!)
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PennyDreadful, I love your image, even if I don't totally agree with the sentiment! [snow_smiley]
And quite often things are best handled with humor, so if in any way it helps fans who might be disappointed over some of the direction the new film is taking, then I honestly hope it serves its purpose, even though like madscntst I don't quite agree with the sentiment. [snow_smiley]
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Did I miss something here? What is this age limit thing?
Sorry Janet, I was talking about the age constraints for the advance screenings of DS. Apparently they wanted viewers to be under age 49 (probably to hit the target demographic). Joe and others were turned away because they were too old. We should be fine for the movie itself [snow_cheesy] Anyway, for me, the point was moot anyway because I live on the East Coast, but I was just remarking that even if I had a chance to go, I'd have to try to fudge my age [snow_blush]
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But isn't that a type of discrimination? I never heard of anybody being too old to see a movie. I guess I'm out of the loop.
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It's common practice for test screenings. They want to measure reaction from certain demographics and most often that means 12-17 (though in this case it was 14-17 because the film will supposedly be rated PG-13) and the all-important 18-49. As I've said before, anyone 50 and over might as well be dead as far as the entertainment industry and advertisers are concerned. [snow_undecided]
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I was composing my reply when MB posted, so mine might be a little redundant. Advance screenings are meant to get feedback on the film. Since they're free passes, I guess they can choose the audience that they want to see it, because it's their feedback that they want, as opposed to die-hard fans of DS, many of whom are old enough to have watched the OS and are therefore pushing 50 or more. Unfortunately, folks over 50 are not valued as a demographic. Even though we have more money to spend on leisure activities, I guess they want the younger folks to fill the seats, especially if the film is rated PG-13 as is expected. The same is true of TV shows- not only do shows depend on ratings, but they depend on the ratings from the 17-49 or so age group for success. Personally, I think my opinions are wonderful and thoughtful, even if I'm over 50, so it's their loss if they don't want our age group [snow_grin]
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so it's their loss if they don't want our age group [snow_grin]
Exactly. Obviously they're forgetting the fact that wisdom comes with age. [snow_wink] But then again, they don't want people with wisdom - they want people they believe they can manipulate to see a film or buy a product - and they don't believe that's the 50 and older crowd because we're supposedly so set in our ways. And while that can be the case, I also know some 30-somethings who are more set in their ways than I'll ever be, so it's certainly not true across the board, and it's certainly not untrue of everyone younger than 50. [snow_wink]
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They wouldn't have let you in, anyway, because, well - because are you Janet the Wicked. [snow_smileydevil]
But isn't that a type of discrimination? I never heard of anybody being too old to see a movie. I guess I'm out of the loop.
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LOL, Nancy!
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Alice Cooper does look kinda strange in this. I'm wondering if it's because of the them using cgi to make him look young. It's like he looks old without wrinkles. That may also be why JD looks creepy because it isn't the make-up.
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Supposedly Depp is also wearing some sort of prosthetic on his nose and on his chin. When I first saw the photo of Barnabas and Liz (the one that apparently depicts a moment from the night of his arrival at Collinwood - and one that combined with what we've seen in the 60 second TV spot really has me dying to see that scene) I definitely noticed that Depp looked different, but I wasn't quite sure why. But then when I checked out some of the Depp forums I discovered that apparently many fans on them are so familiar with his face that they instantly knew what was different.
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Penny I am working on a fanzine and would love to include some of your heart work if you would be interested PM me.
Of course I know KLS is going to be politicial correct because this is her bread and butter; however, as Nancy said I think Frid is at the age (although he was always out spoken) where he could care less to say what is on his mind. Maybe I am wrong but I felt a generousness about KLS when she commented on the movie. I know she is a shrewd business woman but still I was happy to hear her comments!
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Sorry for the double post. I just wanted to ask a question. Is it me or does the new Barnabas portrait look like Jonathan. I think it looks more like JF than JD. I think it's perhaps another nod to our beloved vampire. Am I the only noticing this??
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Penny I am working on a fanzine and would love to include some of your heart work if you would be interested PM me.
Hi Taeylor, that art isn't mine. :) It was done by Matt Tyree and Val Staples as a wallpaper for the Roast Gooble Dinner He-Man/She-Ra podcast. 'm a co-host on there and had no idea they were gonna do that art! You could always drop them a line and see.
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Thanks Penny! Could you PM and let me know how to get in contact with them!
I am so excited about DS. It seems more and more fun stuff is coming to light everyday! I adore the new posters! :) This seems to be a real ensemble piece. We of course knew Johnny would be the marquee draw but with each different poster I see this as a ensemble and a movie that is really hard to nail down to one genre! Can't wait to see it.
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Comingsoon.net has a great new banner of Barnabas with all his lady friends (except for his one true love, hmmm):
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=88603 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=88603)
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a great new banner of Barnabas with all his lady friends (except for his one true love, hmmm)
Thanks so much for the link, madscntst. [snow_smiley] And yes, it's interesting that Victoria or Josette isn't included...
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it looks like this film will be a canidate for worse film of the year.
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Two more endorsements for the trailer/film
This one comes from Trailer Tracker:
Trailer Tracker : Dark Shadows, Frankenweenie, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqCqnIxo764)
"The man out of time idea has been done before, but setting it 40 years ago is a master stroke."
And this one from The Scorecard Review (which gives the trailer an 8 out 10):
‘Dark Shadows’ starring Johnny Depp – trailer review (http://thescorecardreview.com/trailers/2012/03/29/dark-shadows-starring-johnny-depp-trailer-review/29040)
"As much as I like Depp here – indeed, this looks like it could be one of his most appealing performances in a few years – Eva Green steals the show. She looks like she’s having a blast in this role, and I love everything she’s doing, especially the look on her face as she “plays” the piano."
I couldn't agree more. [snow_cheesy]
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I whole heartedly agree about the piano scene. I love boyzz....but WOWZA is Eva sexy! ;) And I like that she felt she would play Angelique without refacing source material and go her own way. I love her in everything I have seen her in. She is a great actress. I think Helena almost seems like she has fused Julia and Grayson since we didn't see G in the big glasses except out of the studio. I can see Helena liking Grayson and her weirdness.
Thanks for the poster. I am living for them! :)
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The text of this article is exactly the same as that of the LA Times Sunday Magazine and that newspaper's Herocomplex Web site, but it features an entirely different photo - one of Barnabas prowling the street from the scene seen in one of the 30 second TV spots:
'Dark Shadows' reinterprets a favorite show from its director's and star's youths (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/sc-mov-0328-dark-shadows-20120328,0,4878411.story)
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This seems like a new video but I could be wrong. In any event the studio is still pushing the comedy take because it is simply a comedy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UAfc56UV0
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That is definitely new. Thanks so much for posting the link. [snow_smiley]
And the fact that they're still pushing the humor angle is probably no surprise because Warner Brothers has obviously decided that's the angle they want to stress the most. Though there have certainly been several glimpses of other things as well...
And I'll post some screen caps from the new stuff later tonight...
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Amazing find, jimbo! And I like it. Thanks for the share!
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It's interesting that this latest one has been put up by Warner Brothers themselves, which probably explains why it says TV Spot 1 instead of 4. However, I checked the Web site and it doesn't seem to be linked to there - or on the official FB page. At least not that I could see.
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It seems WBP uploaded 3 videos today. I don't recall a scene where Barnabas is opening the coffin's lid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVROV424rNc&feature=relmfu
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That one and the one they've numbered as 2 came out last weekend. But it's definitely good to know which ones they've uploaded themselves. Though I do wonder why they haven't uploaded the 60 second spot? [snow_huh]
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3 screen captures from the new stuff in the third 30 second TV spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000046.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000080.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000192.jpg)
Love the two new shots of Collinwood. Who knew the outside as well as the inside of the house is adorned with seahorses. And we sort of got a brief glimpse of it in the first trailer, but now there's no mistaking that there's at least one more wing to the house - check out the far left side of Colliwood. Though considering the outside set never included that part, who knows it we'll ever really see that part...
Also, this seems to be the 1972 Collinwood because the landscaping is the same as the outdoor set with the same sort of trees that are seen being planted in the 60 second TV spot while Willie washes the car.
(And again, these aren't nearly as good as if I'd gotten a copy of the TV spot myself - but hopefully that will happen before too long)
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4 more screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000247.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000270.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000420.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000527.jpg)
An actual scene involving Victoria - those are certainly few and far between so far.
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The last 3 screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000578.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000592.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000693.jpg)
Who knows why Liz has pained expressions this time around?
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Thanks for the caps. I adore Collinwood and the fact that a lot of it's interior has to do with the see such as Posiedon and his Trident! Michelle looks gorgeous in that shot as well! Loving loving and more loving DS. I continually get more excited with each passing day.
Is there anyway to dl these for our own use??? I am just keeping a scrapbook of the movie!
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we sort of got a brief glimpse of it in the first trailer, but now there's no mistaking that there's at least one more wing to the house - check out the far left side of Colliwood. Though considering the outside set never included that part, who knows it we'll ever really see that part...
I didn't realize that no one would really be able to see what I was talking about, so I blew that section up:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/60000192a.jpg)
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Odd that none of the trailers or magazine articles have shown Christopher Lee.
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Indeed.
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Now at least we have some context for him brushing his teeth. It must be hard for him having to try to impress Victoria. This may prove to be very interesting...
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Yeah see. The brushing teeth isn't just for laughs it's to impress his lost love! ;)
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nice to see vicki and her flip hairdo. all we've previously seen is the unfortunate shot of her in the straightjacket.
the josette figure and her contemporary counterparts have traditionally loomed large in this tale. is she a smaller presence this time around? it would appear that way given the way the marketing is being done.
granted miss heathcote is not nearly as well known as the other four actresses but they're really underplaying her in the promotional material.
btw i like the way barnabas calls vicki and carolyn "my dear". that's the way he spoke to young ladies of quality in the OS.
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oh and this is a real stretch but the blond lady in the phone booth looks like the woman roger is seen in an embrace with in the previous spot. [snow_huh]
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another thought...
in the early publicity for this wasn't liz described as being "reclusive" along the same lines as the character in the OS?
yet here we clearly see her at the cannery and other off-collinwood locations. did i imagine that?
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oh and this is a real stretch but the blond lady in the phone booth looks like the woman roger is seen in an embrace with in the previous spot. [snow_huh]
It's certainly a possibility. It's not likely to be Liz. Victoria's hair is all wrong. And I suppose Angelique is still a possibility but also would seem unlikely. A character we don't know seem the likeliest.
I wish I could get a high resolution copy of the TV Spot that shows that scene without the writing all over it. There are two basketball games on tonight, so maybe today...
Actually, it's funny you should bring up the woman in that screen cap because this morning I've been wondering if the actress is possibly the infamous Hannah "Hippe chick" Murray of Twitter/Internet frenzy fame? It sort of looks like her - but it's really hard to be sure.
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in the early publicity for this wasn't liz described as being "reclusive" along the same lines as the character in the OS?
yet here we clearly see her at the cannery and other off-collinwood locations. did i imagine that?
No, you didn't imagine it. Back when Michelle Pfeiffer was cast, Liz was described as not having left Collinwood for 10 years. Apparently something happens in the course of the film to change that.
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Now at least we have some context for him brushing his teeth. It must be hard for him having to try to impress Victoria. This may prove to be very interesting...
Yes, it's interesting how things can take on a different tone once we get some sort of context and/or we see/hear assumed to be supposedly hilarious and/or out of character dialogue actually delivered.
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It's really odd that the TV spots on the Warners YouTube page are different from the ones that have actually aired. The one that features Julia used to have Willie at the end. Now it ends with Carolyn. The box and peanuts ad has a different part of "Top of the World" playing over it. Wonder why the changes...
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Really? I hadn't noticed those things. I'll have to check them out closer. [snow_smiley] However, it's not usual for there to be only very slight differences between TV Spots for films/TV shows. For example, when it comes to the dozens of TV Spots NBC produced to promote the '91 DS, sometimes the only difference between two is the music playing over a certain portion of them.
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The one that features Julia used to have Willie at the end. Now it ends with Carolyn.
I just checked that one out because I had easy access to both versions and not only did they remove Willie's line at the front door and the scene of him and Barnabas by the fireplace, they've also taken out when Barnabas declares he's a vampire and replaced it with his reference to having been stoned.
Apparently we're going to have to really pay attention to the various spots and not presume they're the same simply because they start off the same way and are the same length...
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On a related topic, FWIW, I think I must truly be in my dotage, because I have played each of the spots a couple of times as they have been released, and nowhere did I see a scene of Angelique playing the piano. I have to presume that either I have intermittent amnesia (which is entirely possible) or it was one of those things that went by so fast I just failed to pick up on what was going on.
I've been amazed at details I have been able to spot in MB's screen captures from the various trailers. There are some pretty fab bits of set decor lurking around in there.
G.
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they've also taken out when Barnabas declares he's a vampire
I just scanned through the pregame program and that original version was shown again at 4:28 ET. But hopefully something else, preferably some version of the box and peanuts spot, will show up before basketball is over for today...
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I should have waited to post until I finished scanning the entire recording because at 4:55 a new 60 second spot ran - with some new footage - and it was even thrown to by Greg Gumbel.
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Awesome!
And here's something else that is awesome... The new Famous Monsters of Filmland is already out in select locations. Lots of new pictures apparently!
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I just picked up my copy of Famous Monsters -- totally worth it for me cuz of the awesome caricature of Angelique adorning the Lara Parker interview -- but there's also an amazing full page shot of Depp's Barnabas that only increased my excitement for the movie (if that's possible) ...
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There hasn't been anything else since earlier. In fact, there haven't been any film spots except for a new one for Wrath of the Titans to showcase favorable critic reactions. But since it will still be several hours before I can split the new spot into frames to post screen captures - and perhaps post video of it as well - here's a screen capture I just took myself to give a tease:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/New-1a.jpg) (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/New-1a.jpg)
Click on the capture for a 1920X1080 version
No doubt that is Collinwood all lit up for the night of the party. [snow_wink]
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But hopefully something else, preferably some version of the box and peanuts spot, will show up before basketball is over for today...
While I was getting that screen capture of Collinwood, processing it, uploading it, and posting about it, the original version of the box and peanuts spot was indeed shown - at 7:50. [thumb]
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OK - now I've discovered that at 8:30 Greg Gumbel threw it to the first 60 second spot.
At the rate we're going, every single TV spot that we're aware of (and maybe even another new one) might run during today's basketball. Not that I would complain if they do. [snow_wink]
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I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but I just noticed in that last spot that the portrait of Barnabas appears to bleed out of his eyes as the camera moves back. Since they also show blood coming out of his eyes as he is (presumably) being transformed into a vampire, I got something of a Quentin's painting vibe.
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Excellent observation. You couldn't even tell that from the crappy YouTube version that we had. It's amazing what a difference high resolution makes. [snow_wink]
Though I shouldn't put down YouTube too much because those TV spots that Warner Brothers uploaded themselves are so far still only available on YouTube...
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And here's something else that is awesome... The new Famous Monsters of Filmland is already out in select locations. Lots of new pictures apparently!
This is the best magazine piece that I've seen so far. Good interviews done by Michael Culhane. Tons of photos. Especially like the one with KLS and Frid with her laughing hysterically. Saw that in 16 years ago and it's one of my favorites.
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On a related topic, FWIW, I think I must truly be in my dotage, because I have played each of the spots a couple of times as they have been released, and nowhere did I see a scene of Angelique playing the piano. I have to presume that either I have intermittent amnesia (which is entirely possible) or it was one of those things that went by so fast I just failed to pick up on what was going on.
It's probably because she's not so much playing the piano as sliding her bum across the keys. If you don't recall that, check out this trailer at the 1:30 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isjg9O7ifwM
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Apparently we're going to have to really pay attention to the various spots and not presume they're the same simply because they start off the same way and are the same length...
Warner Bros. put out over 30 different television spots for Wrath of the Titans, so you're probably going to be busy. [snow_grin]
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4 screen captures from the new 60 second TV Spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000406.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #406 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000406.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000416.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #416 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000416.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000886.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #886 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000886.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000915.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #915 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000915.jpg)
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4 more screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000938.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #938 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000938.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000940.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #940 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000940.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000957.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #957 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000957.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000997.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #997 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70000997.jpg)
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And the final 4 screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70001014.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1014 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70001014.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70001780.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1780 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70001780.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70001952.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1952 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70001952.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70002052.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #2052 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/70002052.jpg)
And the TV Spot itself:
The Final Four Show_2012_03_31_15_59_00.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/The Final Four Show_2012_03_31_15_59_00.mp4) (6.8MB)
(Let's see if like the last video I uploaded here, it makes it's way all around the world. [snow_wink])
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Warner Bros. put out over 30 different television spots for Wrath of the Titans, so you're probably going to be busy. [snow_grin]
Probably no more busy than I was with the '91 DS promos. [snow_wink]
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Oh my goodness! MRS. JOHNSON! I love that image, MB! Thanks so much for sharing these and for the video!
This one actually made me laugh out loud. It was the new line Barnabas spoke at the table. It seems I like his lines best when he is sitting down. [snow_cheesy] And doesn't HBC sound a little British when she says that new line? And why would Julia proclaim that anyway! How strange...
But I definitely liked this commercial more than almost all of the rest (except for one). I am either getting used to this new take or they are actually getting better. Maybe a little of both. [snow_wink]
I do find it odd that Angelique is missing in all of these spots though... Hmm...
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Though Angelique is featured very prominently in the other 60 second TV spot. Speaking of which, now that I have high resolution copies of them, I'll probably make high resolution videos of that spot and the two original 30 second spots and post those once I have. But don't look for them soon because I'll be going to bed shortly, and then tomorrow I have a Palm Sunday Lunch to attend...
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Well thank you for all of your efforts, MB. We all appreciate them! All of the videos you post are amazing in terms of quality. Can't beat it!
One thing that does bother me is the constantly disappearing and reappearing blood stains on Barnabas when he is talking to Willie... [snow_huh]
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yes the disappearing/reappearing bloodstains are a mystery...
one can assume that the scenes of barnabas wandering around collinsport in eighteenth century clothing are all from the night of his release. yet in some his face and clothing are covered in blood. in others he looks almost "clean".
i suppose the blood can be removed/added digitally in postproduction. but it seems really random. [snow_undecided]
and does it look like julia is wearing some sort of padded costume to make her appear chunky?
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and does it look like julia is wearing some sort of padded costume to make her appear chunky?
I don't know, but that does seem like a particularly unflattering outfit. Her other clothes in the film seem to look a lot better than that - and she looks a lot slimmer in them. Though perhaps she loses weight over the course of the film in an effort to attract Barnabas' eye? I suppose, like so much else, we'll see...
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Congratulations on another fab series of captures, MB!
I think Mrs. Johnson is now officially my favorite character in this magnum opus. That shot of her helping poor Willie with the coffin is a scream.
Looks as if this time around, everybody's in on Barn's "secret."
I suspect that as is often the case in trailers, different takes have been used of the same material. The footage of the Carpenters gag in this new spot is the same soundtrack but the camera angles are markedly different.
Those of you who enjoy keeping track of such things will have fun when you see the movie learning just which takes wound up making it into the release print.
G.
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if i could guess i think the joke here is that poor old mrs.j is so out of it she doesn't realize she's dealing with a coffin.
it's pretty well established that here liz "knows". willie and julia of course always have.
but i'll bet the "secret" is being kept from the children. and vicki. and maybe roger too.
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considering that the casting of christopher lee as bill malloy was obviously a piece of horror movie/DS buff stunt casting doesn't it seem odd that he hasn't been used in any of the promotional material?
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Lee might have wound up on the cutting room floor, if it was a cameo with only one or two scenes.
After Peter Jackson cut him out of one of those Lord of the Rings movies, nothing would surprise me.
G.
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MB thanks so much for the captures and the video.
Everytime I keep on hoping this movie somehow gets more serious it just gets more silly. Forgive me cousins if I don't share your enthusiasm for this movie. This is not Dark Shadows and certainly is not a homage to the original show. I am certainly not alone as these new articles reflect.
http://blogcritics.org/video/article/why-ill-wait-to-see-tim/
http://www.examiner.com/horror-movie-in-chicago/this-ain-t-your-mom-s-dark-shadows
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the articles make some interesting and valid points...
but as they say "it is what it is". for whatever reasons this is what we've got.
i hope to enjoy it on it's own terms and that's it.
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I just wish that there is less of the "fish out of water" story-it didn't have to be the dominate theme in the 1972 time period which is I guess 80% of the movie. I generally agree that there should be some degree of BC dealing with his future. And there are probably more comedic scenes in the movie; perhaps BC trying to drive a car, ride a bike, play with the elevator buttons who knows what else. This story angle was done to give JD more acting range and to be his flamboyant Jack Sparrow persona. It gives TB more range to be his creative self as filming a serious movie is not what he wants to do. But I agree it is what it is.
I do disagree with WB's marketing strategy. If there are more gothic horror elements which dominate the movie as has been suggested, WB seems to believe that comedy sells better than a gothic horror/romance flick? Perhaps WB will release a more serious trailer but it seems that is unlikely. It is targeting a more family-like oriented demographic and a widest possible audience. I will remain open minded but I think I have enough to go on not to be enthused about this movie.
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the Angelique/Barnabas/serpentine tongue licking sequence got a big laugh from Ellen's studio audience.
The same thing happened in the movie theater this weekend-- that tongue scene got the only laughs, and I'm talking huge laughter and not nervous laughs... and I just don't get it. Whether the clip offends your DS sensibilities or not (I like it, cuz even though the serpentine tongue is standard fare for exorcisms on film and just about any demon in Buffy fan fic, attributing one to Angelique IS new, unless Nicky did it and I've forgotten, lol), why are audiences finding that spot funny?!
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i'm sort of indifferent to the tongue but what i can't get is why the film's promotional team keeps beating the 'chevy' joke into the ground?
it really wasn't that funny to begin with...and i believe it's been used in every spot. [snow_huh]
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When I saw the trailer with a Hunger Games audience I heard the crowd make a ewe disgusting like sound. No one laughed at that particular scene or in any other scene-there was dead silence throughout the entire trailer outside of the tongue licking scene.
I agree some of the jokes originally not even funny the first time you heard them are going to be an annoyance by the time one sees the actual film.
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Midnite: I don't think I ever gave Angelique a forked tongue ... hee hee! Black eyes aplenty, but never a forked tongue.
I think they're laughing because it's so unexpected. It also reminds me of the scene in Batman Returns when Catwoman behaves in a similar fashion, a scene that was much touted during trailers at the time, and also in publicity materials. Maybe it's a Tim Burton thing.
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I think Mrs. Johnson is now officially my favorite character in this magnum opus. That shot of her helping poor Willie with the coffin is a scream.
G, I could not agree more. She is the reason I am completely invested in seeing this movie! Everything else I have seen so far, I can take or leave. But... Mrs. Johnson! Maybe I am biased, because she has always been one of my favorite characters (different reasons for different actresses). I am certain this is going to be no different.
but as they say "it is what it is". for whatever reasons this is what we've got.
i hope to enjoy it on it's own terms and that's it.
This is the attitude I have adopted as well. Can't do anything about it, so we might as well just go with it. It is, after all, our show so we should be invested in whatever forms it takes. And when we've all finally seen this version, then we can trash it or embrace because of its merits or lack thereof. It's nothing like what I wanted. So, at this point, I just want to enjoy it for what it is. I could be pleasantly surprised... We shall see. [snow_wink]
The same thing happened in the movie theater this weekend-- that tongue scene got the only laughs, and I'm talking huge laughter and not nervous laughs... and I just don't get it... Why are audiences finding that spot funny?!
I think it is beyond all of us. [snow_shocked]
i'm sort of indifferent to the tongue but what i can't get is why the film's promotional team keeps beating the 'chevy' joke into the ground?
The only thing I can figure is they want to showcase Pfeiffer. And maybe that is one of her few "one liners" in the film. (See that bit of hopeful thinking I injected into that notion? Though I would not mind Liz having a million one liners directed to/about Roger.)
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Thanks, Nicky. Adore your writing and definitely recall the black eyes.
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i'm sort of indifferent to the tongue but what i can't get is why the film's promotional team keeps beating the 'chevy' joke into the ground?
The only thing I can figure is they want to showcase Pfeiffer. And maybe that is one of her few "one liners" in the film. (See that bit of hopeful thinking I injected into that notion? Though I would not mind Liz having a million one liners directed to/about Roger.)
Or perhaps Chevy paid a hefty fee and WB is making sure they got their money's worth. Given the golden arches in at least one of the spots, I presume McDonalds has also signed a sponsorship deal.
Then again, there seem to be at least two VW vans in Collinsport (one outside the movie theater, one parked in the Collinwood driveway).
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Ahh... Commercialism...
What I would not mind, but I doubt would happen, would be Happy Meal Toys. How fun would that be? I mean after seeing so much McDonald's, it really ought to happen. But I don't think they do them if the film is over PG. [snow_bigglass]
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WB seems to believe that comedy sells better than a gothic horror/romance flick?
For better or worse, that's certainly the impression I've gotten from the way the film is being marketed because the humor is front and center in the TV spots while anything Gothic in tone tends to be mostly in the periphery.
It is targeting a more family-like oriented demographic and a widest possible audience.
I get that impression as well. They want people to know that even though there's a vampire, the film is not a horror film. They definitely don't want people who don't like horror to be turned off. And apparently they think more people will respond to the humor than to the Gothic/horror elements. But they throw a few in just to show that they are there.
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i'm sort of indifferent to the tongue but what i can't get is why the film's promotional team keeps beating the 'chevy' joke into the ground?
The only thing I can figure is they want to showcase Pfeiffer. And maybe that is one of her few "one liners" in the film.
I'm thinking that may be it, too. And I have to say that one of the things about the trailers/TV spots that has me most intrigued is the stuff dealing with Liz. I can't wait to see how it all plays out in the film. Though like the person who wrote for The Scorecard Review said, I really do think Eva Green/Angelique is going to steal the film. Her performance looks amazing in every glimpse we've gotten of her.
Though I would not mind Liz having a million one liners directed to/about Roger.
Same here!
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Oops - I forgot to program my DVR to record Kings of the Court on CBS this afternoon just on the off chance that basketball and DS might go hand and hand on CBS again today. I missed recording the first 18 minutes, so has anyone been watching it, and if so, were there any DS ads I might have missed?
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Well, since there weren't any film spots during what I did get of that show or during the High School Basketball Slam Dunk that came after it. I'm going to presume that CBS didn't run any DS spots during basketball today. However, the next chance would certainly seem to be during tomorrow night's NCAA final...
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I came across a piece on bloody-disgusting.com about the release of the latest new DS TV spot and I love how it begins:
"Remember just a few short weeks ago when we were worried that there might never be a trailer for Dark Shadows? How quaint those days seem now as we're drowning in a deluge of footage."
Not that they, I, or probably many of us are complaining that we're getting so much new footage.
And speaking of the TV spots, I was just reading an article about yesterday's TV ratings and Warner Brothers must be thrilled that they bought time for so many (beyond what I'd posted about yesterday, there were also repeat airings of previously shown that day spots at 8:53 (the box and peanuts) and 9:35 (the McDonald's) for a total of 6 overall) during yesterday's NCAA coverage because the games pulled in huge numbers in the highly coveted 18-49 demos and were watched by 15 million viewers. Not that that means all those people saw all the spots - but Warner Brothers got them out to a huge potential audience - and that's really all they care about.
And something tells me the numbers may be even bigger for tomorrow night's NCAA final, so it should be very interesting to see what Warner Brothers may have up their sleeve for tomorrow night's games...
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And what's interesting is that this audience is probably not the usual Burton/Depp crowd. So we will see how that works with opening weekend numbers.
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I seems like it's somewhat of an odd group to market to, but something in Warner Brothers' marketing research must tell them otherwise or I doubt they would be spending as much for airtime during the games as they have been. They'd be spending it elsewhere. But the really interesting thing to me would seem to be that they're spending elsewhere very judiciously, like during last Sunday's season premiere of Mad Men. There hasn't been hide nor hair of a DS spot seen during many of the highest rated regular TV shows. Well, at least not yet. Though that is sure to change as the May 11th release moves closer...
Though so far as opening weekend goes, I'm still of the opinion that no matter what Warner Brothers does, it's not likely DS will place any higher than 2nd on its opening weekend. After all, look at how much was spent on promoting Wrath of the Titans, yet it came in second despite some good reviews. And look at how much was spent on Mirror, Mirror, yet that came in third. Both did respectable box office (particularly for this year), but there was just no way of defeating and pulling a great many people away from the juggernaut that is The Hunger Games - and I'm pretty sure the same will hold true of The Avengers...
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I am sure you are right, MB. I do hope Shadows will get 1st its second weekend, though. We shall see.
And another note: the second trailer is coming...
http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/recentclasstrailers.aspx
And I did have a thought about Julia's appearance in the newest ad. Perhaps Burton and Co. are including bloopers at the end of the film, and this is one of those bloopers... Because she doesn't sound at all like she does in the other parts of the commercial. Just something to consider.
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the second trailer is coming...
Ah - interesting. I wonder how long we'll have to wait before it shows up on the Internet. Not long I would suspect...
And I did have a thought about Julia's appearance in the newest ad. Perhaps Burton and Co. are including bloopers at the end of the film, and this is one of those bloopers... Because she doesn't sound at all like she does in the other parts of the commercial. Just something to consider.
Really? I suppose that's definitely possible. Though to me that scene comes across as possibly Julia thinking she's revealing Barnabas secret to Liz - but little does she know that Liz already knows. But as always, we shall see. [snow_wink]
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Though to me that scene comes across as possibly Julia thinking she's revealing Barnabas secret to Liz - but little does she know that Liz already knows.
Now that's an interesting concept. And it would work. I just can't get over the accent. It seems so out of place.
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I am certainly not alone as these new articles reflect.
Believe me, you are not alone. And thanks for sharing those articles.
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One of the lines that I find the most interesting comes from the examiner.com piece:
"If you don’t know the original show, you’ll surely laugh. If you do know the original soap, you may just weep."
because, while there are exceptions, reactions to the trailer/TV spots from the entertainment media do seem to break just about along those lines with many mainstream entertainment Web sites like Entertainment Weekly and Empire Magazine endorsing the trailer and many horror themed Web sites (Fangoria being a major exception) going into a tizzy. Though as I've long been saying (even before we saw so much an official photo), unfortunately for us, the film wasn't made with original DS fans as its target audience (but then, we'd barely even make a blip at the box office). And Warner Brothers has made it even clearer with the marketing that for the most part they're going after a different type of audience. And who knows, they just may succeed. Only time will tell...
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I personally believe WB is poorly marketing this film if it is truly not a comedy which it seems to be. The SFX people believe the trailer is a mess and may do poorly internationally. http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/04/01/blogbusters-2012-summer-blockbusters/
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I'm interested to see exactly what ends up in the second trailer, as far as new footage we haven't already seen, since it's just as long as the first trailer is. And how this trailer will be cut and skewed to showcase what the film will be like.
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I expect the film will be a big hit with the audience being targeted and with the Depp / Burton fan base. That's all it needs.
Did anyone here see Captain America (2011)? This was a hit film by Marvel Comics new production company arm. It is a period action-adventure set in World War 2 (1942) in which a scrawny young man who wants to serve his country is rejected as 4F by the military. [spoiler] So he submits to a new experiment that weaponizes humans so that they can win in combat. But all the US Army can find for him to do is sell war bonds by making a fool out of him in a "captain America" costume. Gradually, he proves himself in combat, and wins acceptance. There is an emotional arc in his progress, and in believable interaction with other characters. There is an intelligent story at work. Then, after two hours of exposition, his plane goes down, and he is frozen in the Arctic for 70 years. But the movie isn't over yet. There is a brief epilogue, lasting less than twenty minutes, in which his body is recovered and he is revived. As the movie ends he is facing a modern world in Times Square, and with a bright future ahead of him.[/spoiler]
If Tim Burton had directed Captain America -- and if Johnny Depp had starred in it -- they would have reduced the two-hour period action-adventure to a brief prologue of about twenty minutes or so, then turned the film into a full-length farce about how Captain America comes to terms with modern times. Instead of making a classic, standard-setting superhero adventure, they would trivialize it with ridicule. They know how to ridicule. They don't know how to tell a legitimate story. They are preoccupied with their own kinky fetishes and kinky humor, and they think everybody else is the same way. They have enough of a fanbase to reinforce their insulated ego bubble.
The Dan Curtis estate exercised extremely poor judgment in selling the rights to Depp and his crony Burton. I'm very disappointed in the estate.
I expected nothing better from Pierson.
Richard
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The SFX people believe the trailer is a mess and may do poorly internationally.
And yet another split of opinion coming down along the same sort of lines with Empire feeling the film will be huge internationally (as well as domestically in the US) and SFX questioning how it will do internationally. Though SFX is prepared to be wrong... (And BTW, I'm a huge fan of their magazine - especially their vampire issues.)
Though now that we've seen the trailer and TV spots, I'm honestly thinking the fact that DS isn't well known internationally is less than an issue than if the film had been a faithful adaptation. From what we can see so far, anyway, people really needn't be familiar with DS.
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I went to see 21 Jump Street this evening.
[spoiler]Since Johnny Depp was actually in the original (which was not a comedy) and has a cameo in this theatrical version that makes no bones about being a comedy, I think it makes for an interesting juxtaposition with his appearance in Dark Shadows.
There are a couple of lines of fascinating dialogue where a character talks about them revisiting old projects from the past in part because the powers that be have run out of original ideas and have to resort to rehashing old ideas that didn't quite work the first time. It's done in reference to police projects, but you can almost see Nick Offerman winking at the camera in acknowledgement of the fact that it's really a reference to remaking old TV shows into movies.[/spoiler]
I was struck by the MIB3 trailer, because the gist of this one is that J has to go back in time to 1969, where it appears the bulk of the action will take place. In other words, there will be at least 2 movies that deal with a "fish out of water" appearing in the late '60's/early '70's that are coming out this summer. I suspect there will be many comparisons of the two movies that will analyze which one does a better job. It's probably fortuitous for WB that Dark Shadows will be coming out a couple of weeks before MIB3.
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isnt the 2nd trailer the 1 with alice cooper added? if so i already saw it yesterday before i saw the film, MIRROR, MIRROR.
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Really? They played that ad before MIRROR, MIRROR? Well... if that doesn't beat all.
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The 2nd trailer may end with Alice Cooper like the trailer/TV spot/whatever that was shown during Once Upon a Time, but it can't be the exact same version because that Canadian Web site for Alberta's movie theatres is listing the length of the 2nd trailer as 2 minutes and 25 seconds, yet what was shown during Once Upon a Time was 2 minutes long.
Perhaps what was shown on TV was a cut down version. But we won't know that for sure until we either see the full version or joe tells us what was different from what was shown on TV. [snow_smiley] But either way there will be 25 additional seconds. And hopefully at least some of it will be stuff we haven't already seen...
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That is true, MB. I am just surprised that they showed the Alice Cooper version in theaters (assuming it is the same cut we have already seen). If it's the new cut that Canada has approved, that would be very interesting indeed, as we don't have a version of it online yet.
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it looked very similiar to what abc showed but theres no way i could remember or pick out specific differences. im sure it will get posted eventually and picked apart by all of us.
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Thanks to everyone, especially MB, for keeping up with all the various trailers and TV spots. I can't keep up with all the variations! I don't really follow NCAA basketball these days (Duke fan, which wasn't so good for me this year, lol) but happened to have it on for a short time the other day and was happy to be treated to one of the TV spots.
I still have somewhat mixed feelings about all this but am adjusting to the tone. I'm not really a twitter user but I happened to be following the Depp tweets this past weekend because Johnny was performing (on drums!) in LA and I was looking for news. Nearly all the tweets I saw about the DS trailer were surprisingly positive. And not all of these seemed to be from Depp/Burton fans- some were just young folks who happened to see it with 21 Jump Street or Hunger Games. Most people seemed to be liking the character posters, too, though there was an occasional trashing. It was funny to see that perspective, though I think I've had enough of twitter for a little while :)
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KLS is really annoyed over the piece and sent a letter to the editor. She posts extensively on her feelings regarding the article on her FB page.
Thanks, Nancy. An edited version was published this past weekend in the Sunday LA Times Calendar, and a snap of it was uploaded to her site: http://www.kathrynleighscott.com/?page_id=298
Click the image to enlarge and read the article.
Her unedited letter is on that same blog, posted on Mar. 26.
KLS states that the cameo appearances of the four DS actors are an indication that the producers of the new movie "are not in the least distancing themselves from the series," but since this has been a trend of remakes for quite some time, I'm not seeing it as proof of anything. But what the article (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/23/dark-shadows-on-set-exclusive-johnny-depp-tim-burton-back-in-black/#/0) actually said was that the producers weren't encouraging anyone to seek out the original series, which is not the same thing. And why bring up that she was on the set at the same time as the author? Doesn't that make her come across as a bit miffed that he did not mention her?
But I do applaud her comment about how Burton's product would look with only 40-year-old production values to work with.
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All I can say is if you have the chance to read the track listing of the score, don't... unless you want to feel depressed by the spoilers.
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I must say that's an intriguing warning.
And speaking of Elfman's soundtrack, I just checked on Amazon and the price is now down to $12.99. No track listing there, so I was safe. [easter_wink]
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CB, where did you happen to find a track listing? I've been searching around, and can't find one. [easter_huh]
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Good! Stay away from it, MB. Stay far, far away... If you dodged the earlier spoiler that HBC gave away, you have to dodge the track listing. (And there are some other spoilers in there too.)
Over all, I would say that nothing about the tracks would indicate that this movie is at all funny... except for maybe the last three track names, which are borderline parody territory (and they will probably be renamed).
KMR, someone posted a version of it on IMDB. Whether it is the final listing or not, it sounds very legitimate based on what we have seen from the trailer and heard from other sources.
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Thanks, CB. I hadn't been over to the IMDB board for a while. (Not enough sanity there for me.)
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I found it on IMDB, and there is a major spoiler in the track listing, but you have to mouseover a sort of word curtain that says "spoilerspoilerspoiler" repeatedly to see the track listing at all.
G.
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I know, G. It's really silly. They could have kept some of the tracks free of the curtain. But, the farther down you get, the more spoilers there are, so I kind of understand.
Thanks, CB. I hadn't been over to the IMDB board for a while. (Not enough sanity there for me.)
Tell me about it. I was considering registering at one point back in the summer, but then I realized that it would be detrimental to my health. [easter_wink] So I never did.
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Thanks for the warning Cousin. I saw your post earlier but later just googled it on my own before I checked back in here. I found an article at filmmusicreporter.com that gave the track listing, and yes, you're right, there are MAJOR spoilers there. Since I knew what I was getting into, that was fine for me. But if people want to avoid them, if you're like me and are registered for Yahoo or Google news alerts, you may want to avoid clicking on any articles that have to do with the soundtrack/score.
I belong to IMDb for several other reasons, mostly for TV shows I watch, but I only check in on the DS board very rarely. It's good of them to have hidden the spoilers, though!
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it's strange how weirdly hyperspecific some of the track names are...
[spoiler]one of the spoilers we've known for months. ever since HBC slipped that her character gets killed. there was some grousing at the time that perhaps she also played aunt natalie but i guess this settles it. in the t.v. show we know why barnabas wanted to kill julia but here i wonder why. in terms of roger i guess "departs" can mean alot of things so there's not much finality to it.
there are shots in the trailer that inadvertently give things away of one knows what to look for. the group shot outside a burning collinwood is missing a few key figures. i guess we know why roger and julia are absent if these track titles are to be believed...but vicki is also missing. this isn't really a "spoiler" because it's just a guess, and it very much pains me to speculate, but i feel that vicki meets an unfortunate "josette-like" fate. i'm not sure why but i do. the thing here is that this is a stand alone movie as opposed to a daily show. there's no need to maintain a regular cast to carry on the story from day to day. there's really nothing to prevent many or even all of the characters from being killed off.[/spoiler]
i don't know how "official" these track titles are but i can't get over the "vicky" spelling. i've always preferred "vicki". the "i" as opposed to the "y" or "ie" variations suited the character to me. i'll never change it.
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As we continue to discuss what is coming on May 11, 2012, let us all stop for a moment of silence to remember what ended on this day, April 2, 1971.
Everybody pause..........
Thank you. Now, discuss!
Gerard
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now that I have high resolution copies of them, I'll probably make high resolution videos of that spot and the two original 30 second spots and post those once I have.
I haven't forgotten about these. In fact, I've actually been experimenting with trying to get the best quality without ending up with a huge file size. However, I'm still ending up with a quality that's less than I'd like. For the most part it's better than what's on YouTube, but that's not saying much. So, I want to experiment with some Linux video programs that I've never tried to see if their results are any better. But the videos of those spots should show up sooner than rather than later.
And speaking of TV spots, I wonder what, if anything, we might get during tonight's NCAA final? It would be nice if we got to see the new 2 minutes and 25 seconds trailer - but that might be too much to ask for because extended TV spots for films tend to be no longer than 2 minutes, and we've already seen that version...
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i'll add this as an aside...
in recent weeks this film has occupied WAY too much of my mental and emotional energy.
i really just want to SEE the darn thing. digest it. like it. dislike it...and get on with my life. [easter_rolleyes]
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GK Films had a contest that the first person to tweet them a photo of themselves sitting in the chair in one the theater standup displays would win a poster:
gkfilms @gkfilms
We have a winner!!!! More giveaways to come, stay tuned! RT @buffy: @gkfilms http://twitpic.com/94vlr6 #DarkShadows
9:11 PM - 2 Apr 12
And michael c, we still have
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Or even longer if you don't go to a midnight showing. [easter_wink]
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To michael c,
I had come to the same conclusions that you did as regards events revealed in the track listing titles. My own thoughts:
[spoiler]Burton could only get HBC to agree to do the movie if her character was killed off. I think she did it as a favor to hubs, basically. My guess is that the Julia's death occurs roughly in the narrative where Carolyn's did in house of DS. I haven't a clue about Roger. And Vicki's role in the movie is a complete cypher to me at this point. [/spoiler]
I kind of feel a weird mixture of squeamishness and profound disinterest around actually sitting through the movie. Just keeping it real for what it's worth.
G.
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They should a 30 second clip at about 10:10 ET during the basketball game tonight. Nothing new but it went by fast. I don't know if they showed another clip during the game tonight.
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[spoiler] this isn't really a "spoiler" because it's just a guess, and it very much pains me to speculate, but i feel that vicki meets an unfortunate "josette-like" fate. i'm not sure why but i do. the thing here is that this is a stand alone movie as opposed to a daily show. there's no need to maintain a regular cast to carry on the story from day to day. there's really nothing to prevent many or even all of the characters from being killed off.[/spoiler]
i don't know how "official" these track titles are but i can't get over the "vicky" spelling. i've always preferred "vicki". the "i" as opposed to the "y" or "ie" variations suited the character to me. i'll never change it.
I actually have a different approach to the events (again, not really spoilers, but suppositions involving spoilers from the trailer and track listing):
[spoiler]Because Barnabas is not yet a vampire when Josette is killed in this version, he cannot save her, as he lacks supernatural powers. However, in 1972, he is a vampire and actually manages to save Vicki from the fall using his powers. Therefore, in cursing him in 1772, Angelique actually manages to undermine her 1972 plan.[/spoiler]
Just my take on the story.
And I have no idea how official these track titles are either, because there are a number of misspellings. So, I am sure that "Vicky" will be changed to "Victoria" by the time the official release comes around. But I too prefer the "i" spelling.
Oh, and I picked up FMoFL today... OMG! Talk about fantastic! I really love all of the pictures from TOS, especially the one of Frid and KLS kissing. That's really cute!
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OMG! The soundtrack is UNREAL! I HEAR COBERT!
Again, the titles give away plot stuff, but it's worth it to hear the music...
http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39283
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They should a 30 second clip at about 10:10 ET during the basketball game tonight. Nothing new but it went by fast. I don't know if they showed another clip during the game tonight.
Nope. And I was just coming to post that even though that 30 second spot (the original box and peanuts) was the only one that was shown, DS was listed at 10:38 as one of the sponsors of tonight's broadcast - and that didn't even happen on Saturday when 6 DS spots were shown. Odd. But who's complaining. [easter_wink]
One interesting thing, though, is that none of the films that were promoted showed more than one spot. And tonight's list was more diverse than with any of the other nights I'd recorded the games because they showed spots for five different films: The Avengers (the first time I've seen that on TV), Men In Black 3 (the first time I've seen that as well), DS, Rock of Ages (again, the first time), and The Cabin in the Woods. And of those five, DS was the only one to repeat from previous nights.
But now the tournament is over, so who knows where we'll see DS spots show up next...
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Thanks for that link, Cousin Barnabas. Interesting. Some of it was exactly what I was expecting, but there were other moments that were a surprise.
I won't be buying the CD but it was interesting to get a preview of some of the music.
Best, G.
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I'm still trying to listen for the theme... I hope that it's there... somewhere in the prologue track. It seems he uses that one HoDS riff over and over...
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Thanks for linking the soundtrack, Cousin Barnabas! I'm listening to it right now. Obviously the track titled "Dark Shadows-Prologue" is VERY evocative of the HODS sound, but I even think I can hear the original theme in there very faintly, and VERY different sounding from what we are used to. Ultimately I love what I'm hearing, which, given Elfman's past scores that I've listened to, isn't a surprise.
I have to say that what he's done with the score fits what we know to be DS very well. If it weren't for the spoiler-ific titles for the tracks, I would encourage everyone to go have a listen. I also have to say, given that the music in a film can tell you so much about the tone of the film, I'm not hearing very many notes that would produce a comical atmosphere. Instead, I'm hearing some romantic sounds, very intense sounds, lots of mystery and intrigue, and some particularly other-worldly and trippy sounds.
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I have to say that what he's done with the score fits what we know to be DS very well. If it weren't for the spoiler-ific titles for the tracks, I would encourage everyone to go have a listen. I also have to say, given that the music in a film can tell you so much about the tone of the film, I'm not hearing very many notes that would produce a comical atmosphere. Instead, I'm hearing some romantic sounds, very intense sounds, lots of mystery and intrigue, and some particularly other-worldly and trippy sounds.
Well, that's certainly extremely interesting.
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Indeed it is, MB! I think this film is going to turn out to be much darker than the trailers and TV spots are making it seem to be, which would not be a surprise given the way that Hollywood execs love to market a film in the opposite category of what it actually is.
There are a lot of nods and callbacks to the HODS soundtrack in Elfman's score, more and more as I listen to each track clip. Its an Elfman score, undoubtedly, with big builds and huge orchestral moments when building tension and leading to a climax. But Cobert is a definitive influence, particularly (I'm hoping) where it counts the most in the film.
On the note of trippy, there are a few instances where Elfman employs the technique (forgive me if it has an actual name, I'm not that savvy in this particular department) of making the same sound jump from ear to ear (if you're listening with headphones) over and over again until you feel as if your eyes are about to roll back in your head and your body will collapse to the floor.
All in all, it's a thrill to listen to in my opinion.
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I'm liking the Danny Elfman music and can definitely hear shades of Cobert in there (particularly that HODS riff). I can't imagine they'd leave the main theme out though.
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I think this film is going to turn out to be much darker than the trailers and TV spots are making it seem to be, which would not be a surprise given the way that Hollywood execs love to market a film in the opposite category of what it actually is.
Well, people associated with the film have been saying all along that it's many different things - from "very funny" to "dark and scary." But a lot of people have been unwilling to believe the latter and have only been willing to accept the former. Of course, the trailers and TV spots have certainly focused on the humor - though as I've said, there are also definitely glimpses of what would certainly be considered Gothic mood/horror. And along those lines some people associated with the film have also said that the trailer was only showing one aspect of the film because that aspect is the one that Warner Brothers has decided to promote. But maybe listening to those clips from the score, which you rightly point out can tell you so much about the tone of a film - particularly because the whole point of the score is actually to set the tone, will get people to thinking that maybe there really is more to the film and they can believe what the people associated with the film have been saying after all...
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Other than the HoDS riff (basically Carolyn's theme) being a reoccurring piece, Elfman borrows cues from Cobert's work on the Revival ("Vicki's Nightmare" has some of this (the strings are to die for... straight out 1991), as does a "spoiler" track). The whole work seems to build off of the later music in the series and that of the feature films (the vibes! oh, the vibes!). In fact, if DEATH OF DARK SHADOWS were made, I'd imagine its score would sound similar to much of this. Of course there is a heavy Elfman twist in parts (near the end), but, overall, it's rather faithful in style to Cobert. And I really appreciate that. (I must also mention that there's definitely a heavy amount of Jerry Goldsmith in here as well. And if "House of Blood" doesn't invoke modern masters Marco Beltrami and a little Wojciech Kilar, I don't know what could!) Now... I just want to hear the original theme song prominently featured somewhere in one of these tracks... If I don't, I am going to be disappointed.
But there's also this...
http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39309
The soundtrack (if it is indeed released in addition to the score) will feature work by other people, not just Elfman. So, maybe some Cobert will appear on there. Who know...
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Well, people associated with the film have been saying all along that it's many different things - from "very funny" to "dark and scary." But a lot of people have been unwilling to believe the latter and have only been willing to accept the former. Of course, the trailers and TV spots have certainly focused on the humor - though as I've said, there are also definitely glimpses of what would certainly be considered Gothic mood/horror. And along those lines some people associated with the film have also said that the trailer was only showing one aspect of the film because that aspect is the one that Warner Brothers has decided to promote. But maybe listening to those clips from the score, which you rightly point out can tell you so much about the tone of a film - particularly because the whole point of the score is actually to set the tone, will get people to thinking that maybe there really is more to the film and they can believe what the people associated with the film have been saying after all...
IIRC, even the ostensible leaked test screening responses indicate the movie is a comedy with no real mention of serious aspects. Even a well-respected fan here said she felt betrayed as a fan after watching a test screening of the film, right?
That said, I believe the film will be an amalgam of comedic and serious/tragic elements. However, the wacky comedic bits (packing peanuts for Pete's sake?) shouldn't be there at all and just don't belong in something called DS. That type of comedy undermines any serious attempt at creating a palpable and sustained sense of dread. Save the 'birthing hips" gags and the panties on Barnabas' face for some Mel Brooks horror parody please. :)
I do like that Elfman score though and it does give me a glimmer of hope.
I will watch the picture. Maybe it'll be a lot different from what the trailers and preview screenings indicate. We'll see.
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All I'm saying is that the people who have believed that some of the people associated with the film have been lying when they say things other than that the film is very funny may not be lying. [easter_wink]
As for the leaked test screening responses, I didn't read them because I've stayed completely away from spoilers. But when it comes to test screenings in general, I've often heard the same thing that someone here (I believe it was KMR) said, which is that a test screened version of a film will often play very differently with its temp soundtrack than it will with its actual soundtrack in place.
And as for the humorous elements that we've seen so far, well, I've made my peace with them being a part of the film. And quite honestly I'm actually enjoying many of them, particularly, as I've said, the panties scene (which is why it's one of my avatars [easter_wink]), so I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree about those. [easter_smiley]
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I am like everyone else as well. I have made my peace with the new movie. It will be what it will be. There is nothing I can do to change it. So I plan on going to the movie, hoping to enjoying, hoping to love and hoping very much that I don't hate it. I honestly can't see myself hating it; however, if it isn't everything I ever hoped or dreamed for I have made my peace. I would just love for it to be a huge hit and for us to get at the very least a nice triology (or even more) movies out of it. I know Tim and Johnny are busy but I can't beleieve that either of them would be opposed to the idea of playing/directing another Dark Shadows movie. I am looking forward to going to the movie with my best DS friend and all my other friends who have always heard me talk about DS. Said my peace amen....:0
Thanks MB for everything. Your super fly!
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Elfman's music might be the only good thing to come out of this project. At least it's the only thing I've liked so far.
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I saw the trailer last night prior to the "Hunger Games" and it came after the trailer for Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, which Tim Burton is a co-producer on, and I have to say ALVH's trailer was very much superior to DS. It has a very serious tone to it.
The audience was basically quiet during the DS trailer except for a few chuckles. My roommate, who isn't a DS fan but has seen some of the show, didn't like it at all as he says it betrays the original.
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I think it's a moot point at this stage of the game, but the one test screening "review" that I read revealed very few real spoilers, from what I recall; certainly very little beyond what the official WB synopsis that was released in advance of the actual shooting revealed. The Elfman score track listing (particularly the title of one particular track) gives more away than that individual's review did.
He wasn't an OS fan, and he described the movie as a horror comedy.
Still, horror, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. Isn't it?
cheers, G.
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I see now just how dead on HBC's comment was about not knowing how to market this movie if, indeed, all these different elements are present. I anticipate dark and scary with situation and character-driven "gothic" humor.
It boils down to a matter of preference: fans are either open to a new approach to OS or they prefer something closer to the OS with just some minor fresh touches. Neither view is wrong, of course.
I love the soundtrack! I have listened to the link a few times. I can't believe they misspelled Barnabas!!!
As for the spoilers, I've read them. I can only say some of the choices do not thrill me but I can deal.
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Danny Elfman is usually hit-or-miss with me, but I love this score from what I've heard! Granted, I've only had the chance to listen to 5 or 6 of them so far, but I love what I hear. I'm so glad to also know that there will be a soundtrack as well as a score. I think I will be getting both! [easter_cool]
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I see now just how dead on HBC's comment was about not knowing how to market this movie if, indeed, all these different elements are present. I anticipate dark and scary with situation and character-driven "gothic" humor.
Which, trailers and TV spots aside, is what we've been being told. Almost exactly a year ago I even summed up much of what we were being told and strung it together in one sentence:Well, IF it is a black comedy, it's a scary and bloody black comedy that's also a relationship story with touches of the poetic. [snow_wink]
As for character driven humor and how that factorsa into something like the panties scene, given there's no denying that Angelique's obsession with Barnabas has always been sexual in nature, it makes sense to me that she could do exactly what she does in that scene. I can so see Lysette Anthony's Angelique doing it if she gotten the chance to be physically in her own body in the present - and I can also see Lara Parker's Angelique doing it. Though, of course, it's probably doubtful that such a scene would have been staged for the original because so much of that version's sexuality is only implied and it ran during the daytime. And even with the '91 DS it's only a possibility and not a probability - even at 10 o'clock. Though there are no such restrictions with a film. And the bottom line is that it's perfectly in keeping with Angelique's character.
My only questions are how/why is Angelique again trapping Barnabas in his coffin in the present day. But that answer will come once we all see the film. [easter_wink]
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I'm so glad to also know that there will be a soundtrack as well as a score. I think I will be getting both! [easter_cool]
I think I will as well. [easter_wink] I do wonder, though, why only the score CD is presently being offered on Amazon? (Speaking of which, it's now down to $11.29!)
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Well, I just watched my first trailer for the new DS movie.
Hmm.... [easter_rolleyes]
Didn't realilze it was set in 1972. But, in keeping with DIS-continuity of DS, there were discrepancies (some of the fashion and music weren't correct for 1972 ). But, hey, again, this is in keeping with the ANTI-continuity, which we've all come to love.
I also didn't realize it wasn't an exact replica or re-do of our show....
But, it looks like fun.
Patti
PS...why was 'Barnabas' buried?
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OT a bit. Very odd I can't seem to play the DS soundtrack on my PC. I use Windows 7 IE9 and when I hit play it stays in the buffering state forever. I see something like javascript niftyplayer 1 when I hover the track number but there is no mechanism to enable that. When I right click over the buffering "looped" is checked but it doesn't work if it is checked or not. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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I was going to post about this the other day, but forgot, and Joeytrom's recent post reminded me (thanks!).
When I went to go see The Hunger Games, trailers for DS and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter both played. ALVH played first and received laughs in disbelief, as well as a number of comments along the lines of "they must be running out of ideas/are you kidding me" vibes. Personally, I thought it looked interesting but I don't think it's something I would see in theaters.
Meanwhile, all throughout the DS trailer it was pure silence. And at the end, I heard one person say "Didn't that used to be a show in the 70s?" Of course I wanted to turn around and completely school everyone in the theater about DS but I resisted the urge.
Anyway, I didn't quite know what to make of the audience member's reaction to DS because it was pure silence. At least with ALVH there was laughter in disbelief and snide comments. I supposed no reaction is a good reaction in terms of how people would view the movie, but since the audience didn't really seem to be engaged in it I wonder if any of the actually would want to go see it, or even remember that its coming out in May.
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That's the same reaction to the trailer when I saw Hunger Games. I daughter says that none of her friends care at all about seeing the DS movie. They says it looks silly.
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what's sort of odd is that "horror" fans and "horror" magazines are lamenting the lack of "horror".
but really DS isn't and never was a true "horror". it was first and formost a soap opera with some gothic and horror elements. but it was never, ever truly "scary".
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OMG! The soundtrack is UNREAL! I HEAR COBERT!
Again, the titles give away plot stuff, but it's worth it to hear the music...
I am just totally amazed at how much of Cobert's style was incorporated in Elfman's score. I had been fearing that we'd end up with something light and fanciful, but this is dark! I love it! [easter_kiss] The later stuff in the score seems to sound almost like a blend of Cobert and John Williams, if you can imagine such a combination. Hearing this music really gives me much more hope for how the finished movie will turn out. Tim Burton had been saying all along that he wanted to get the tone of the film right. From the trailers we saw that the production design was right, and now with the score we see that musically they really nailed it. I think the comedy we see in the trailer will play very differently in the context of the full scenes, and with Elfman's score. The images from the trailer, and Elfman's music, suggest to me something in between the drama of the original and 1991 series, and the horrific intensity of HODS. It's not light and fluffy, but dark and heavy. (That brings me to my big problem with the marketing of the movie: unless the movie turns out to be very different from what I'm thinking it's going to be like, the poster image is just way off. The riot of color is so at odds with the title "Dark Shadows"...)
It's interesting that we don't hear the DS main title theme in any of these clips. But these sound like only snippets (and maybe not even all of the tracks), so who knows. It's possible that the old theme will be used over the end credits. Even if it isn't, I won't be disappointed, since to me it's the dramatic scoring that is "Dark Shadows" to me, not the main title theme. However, I am disappointed that I didn't hear anything from my absolute favorite DS music, Jekyll and Hyde "Cue #2". That was Dan Curtis' favorite piece, and something he wanted Cobert to include in all of his scores. (It's called "A Darkness at Collinwood" on the first DS soundtrack album. That piece, more than anything else, says "Dark Shadows" to me.)
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What are you using to play the score? I want to hear it but can't get it to work.
By the way, the offical web-page calls the movie a "Comedy - drama".
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What are you using to play the score? I want to hear it but can't get it to work.
Try this link: http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39283
WARNING!!! MAJOR SPOILERS IN THE TRACK TITLES!!!
On my PC, it just plays directly through the website (doesn't invoke any add-ons).
By the way, the offical web-page calls the movie a "Comedy - drama".
I think that's just part of WB's marketing approach, which Burton probably doesn't have much to do with. My hunch is that whoever's in charge of marketing this movie just doesn't have a clue. But we shall see...
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What are you using to play the score? I want to hear it but can't get it to work.
This morning, I had a little trouble as the first thing I tried to play kept buffering and buffering, and nothing happening. I think I stopped and started again, and/or refreshed the page, then tried again, and it worked. It seems to be working fine for me now. Maybe it's slowing down when there's too much traffic on the site or something? I hope if you try again it'll work for you. For what it's worth, I'm using Firefox v. 11.0 for Mac.
And no add-ons needed for me, either.
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Thanks all, it's working not. I think Robert Cobert should get a credit.
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what's sort of odd is that "horror" fans and "horror" magazines are lamenting the lack of "horror".
but really DS isn't and never was a true "horror". it was first and formost a soap opera with some gothic and horror elements. but it was never, ever truly "scary".
Even DC had said that DS is not horror. He had gone on record several times as saying that it is a blending of romance and the supernatural, but at its core it's the darkly romantic elements of DS that are by far what truly make DS DS and are more important than the supernatural elements. Though as I've said, one certainly suspects he came to that realization after he'd done hoDS. And quite possibly many of the horror magazines that are lamenting the lack of "horror" in the new film were expecting Depp/Burton to hew more closely to hoDS. Though if so, I don't really know why they would think that given that the original series certainly didn't. If anything, it's hoDS that's the biggest aberration in the current DS universe.
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Sad thing is, I know alot of people, fans of the original that would never go to a fest, that were very excited about this new movie. Now they are because it looks like a comedy. It would be very sad if this movies fails because it is begining marketed as a comedy when it really is a dark, gothic love story with a vampire and a little humor.
If it isn't a comedy I hope they let everyone know before it's to late.
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Thanks everyone for your assistance. It is still in the buffering mode. I'll try the recommended steps later tonight.
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I only dipped into a couple of the tracks, but the music actually sounds interesting. Must be the Cobert influence that saves it from the usual phoned-in quality of other Elfman scores. [easter_evil]
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OT a bit. Very odd I can't seem to play the DS soundtrack on my PC. I use Windows 7 IE9 and when I hit play it stays in the buffering state forever. I see something like javascript niftyplayer 1 when I hover the track number but there is no mechanism to enable that. When I right click over the buffering "looped" is checked but it doesn't work if it is checked or not. Any suggestions? Thanks.
I had the same problem & it seems that WB sites don't like IE. For example, I could never see any of the flash 'animation' on the main movie site while viewing it through IE, but could see it viewing Google Chrome! And likewise, it allowed me to listen to the samples with the Chrome browser.
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I had no trouble in Safari. Maybe try Firefox?
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On IE for you refresh the page it should work. It did for me.
It feels like this should be off topic but it isn't. This Sat. at 10PM Eastern Alice Cooper will be on That Metal Show on VH1. I'm sure he'll talk about his new album "Welcome 2 My Nightmare" but he may also talk about the new movie he's in.
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I have been refreshing the screen all day; I have deleted my my cookies, done everything possible. Thanks Sara Monster for your help. I wrote to the website and the matter is being brought to the webmaster's attention.
Re: Famous Monsters of Filmland interview with Tim Burton Issue 261 June, 2012 Burton had this to say in response to the concerns of pleasing the massive Dark Shadows fanbase, "I've always had the ability to make anything seem kind of cheesy. I hope we don't upset too many people". That was the last line in the article about the new movie.
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Must be the Cobert influence that saves it from the usual phoned-in quality of other Elfman scores. [easter_evil]
Ooh, meeOWW!!! [easter_grin]
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Strange that some of you can't play the soundtrack, especially in IE. I have a very old version of IE (maybe from about three "up-dates" back, maybe less, I don't remember) because every time it's had an update, everything gets screwed up, so I avoid them (if it ain't broke, don't fix it). And yet, when I open the website and click on the tracks, they play immediately with no buffering whatsoever.
Gerard
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Gerard it is really frustrating but hopefully I will get it to work. Thanks.
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I downloaded Chrome and got the soundtrack to work. As PennyDreadful said it gives one a glimmer of hope. I do like the soundtrack for sure.
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i could play it fine on a pc with windows 7 using IE8
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The May issue of Empire is going to make more fans upset with HBC, but will make fans love Michelle Pfeiffer even more. And it's also going to help shed some light on comments by Tim Burton, who I now believe really does love the show. I'm just going to say that HBC seems to have influenced some of his decisions a little bit more than than I'd care for her to, and this is by his own admission.
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The Empire article is up at:
http://www.gorgeouspfeiffer.com/blog/?p=2455
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This is the most informative article/video interview to date IMO. It seems August's script was much darker and straight forwarded. Part of the blame game? http://www.blogofdarkshadows.com/2012/04/04/exclusive-seth-grahame-smith-talks-tone-of-dark-shadows/
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After reading the article, I have more hope than ever for the film. However, I am a bit put off by the description of how HBC came to get the role of Dr. Hoffman.
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That interview with Seth was so very very encouraging!!
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The Empire article is up
Thanks so much for the link, Sara Monster. [easter_smiley] It looks like an extensive article and should be a good read.
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Thanks so much for the link to Grahame-Smith's interview, jimbo. [easter_smiley]
It seems August's script was much darker and straight forwarded. Part of the blame game?
The interesting thing, however, is as I've said: Richard Zanuck also described August's script as being "very funny." Humor has apparently always been a part of the film. But who knows to what extent originally? And Grahame-Smith's interview sort of confirms what he said about specifically being brought in to work on Barnabas, apparently meaning to make his character more humorous.
That interview with Seth was so very very encouraging!!
I find mostly everything Grahame-Smith has said to be encouraging. The thing is, though, there are so many people who not only want to, they insist on believing he's putting a spin on the film or he's outright lying. I suppose we'll never really know for sure if he's being as truthful as he would appear to be until after we see the film for ourselves...
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What I don't understand is why, for what purpose, would he lie about it? Especially when the film's opening is at hand.
Nancy
The thing is, though, there are so many people who not only want to, they insist on believing he's putting a spin on the film or he's outright lying. I suppose we'll never really know for sure if he's being as truthful as he would appear to be until after we see the film for ourselves...
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What I don't understand is why, for what purpose, would he lie about it? Especially when the film's opening is at hand.
Only the people who believe he's lying would seem to know the answer to that question. [easter_undecided] And as you say, the truth is going to come out very soon, so the purpose of him outright lying escapes me. Lying just to get people to see the film would come back to bite him big time, especially in the film industry itself where it would get him a reputation that nothing he says can be trusted, so who would want to work with him? I doubt he's that self-destructive. But that sort of realization of the consequences of him lying is apparently lost on the people who insist he's lying...
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That's downright scary, MB. [easter_rolleyes]
But that sort of realization of the consequences of him lying is apparently lost on the people who insist he's lying...
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That's downright scary, MB. [easter_rolleyes]
Well, if I was to hazard a guess, I would suspect that they think everyone in the film industry lies for the bottom line, so there wouldn't be any consequences for Grahame-Smith. They probably believe film industry types would actually come up to him to pat him on the back as congratulations for a good job of lying to get people into the theaters - and then they'd invite him to move on with them to the next project that they could all lie about. Their cynical view of the film industry and, indeed, life seemingly knows no bounds.
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Yes, indeed. It's all a plot. [easter_evil]
Their cynical view of the film industry and, indeed, life seemingly knows no bounds.
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i can't find the link to the actual article...just the blog intro.
am i missing something?
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At the moment it's not in text form - one needs to play the audio file of Ed Gross' interview with Grahame-Smith by clicking on the play button of what looks to be a video but is actually just audio.
And speaking of playing audio, thanks to an ingenious method Midnite came up with for me to avoid the titles of the tracks, I was able to listen to the clips of Danny Elfman's DS score last night. Actually, I not only listened to them, I downloaded MP3 copies of all the tracks (which is easily possible if you have RealPlayer Download installed in your browser) and I made an audio CD of them (using Windows Media Player) and I've been listening to the CD almost even since (I'm listening to it right now, and it will hold me quite nicely until the actual score CD is released). And as others have said, it's amazing! Obviously I was already excited about the film - but now after hearing even just the sample clips from the score I'm champing at the bit to see the film.
And speaking of the score, I wonder what the people who insist on believing that people associated with the film like Seth Grahame-Smith are lying think about it? Though why wouldn't I be surprised if they don't even want to believe that it's the real score?
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Though why wouldn't I be surprised if they don't even want to believe that it's the real score?
Come now, can't you tell that the tracks on the Watertower site are just part of a big conspiracy? [easter_evil]
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However, I am a bit put off by the description of how HBC came to get the role of Dr. Hoffman.
I'm not sure if I'd say "put off", but to me it does sound almost like an insult to Helena. Although, the way I've heard both of them talk, it sounds like more of a joke (i.e., "Boozing, middle-aged psychiatrist? Just the role for Helena!")
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The May issue of Empire is going to make more fans upset with HBC, but will make fans love Michelle Pfeiffer even more. And it's also going to help shed some light on comments by Tim Burton, who I now believe really does love the show. I'm just going to say that HBC seems to have influenced some of his decisions a little bit more than than I'd care for her to, and this is by his own admission.
CB, could you elaborate? I read the article online, and didn't pick up on anything that touched on Helena's influence on the project. Is there more in the print version? Or maybe there's a page in the online version that I missed?
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I think it's damage control. I think the studio has heard what some fans are saying about the trailer and they, the studio, wants to put bodies in seats.
With two vampire movies coming out very close together it would a very bad thing for SGS if they both fail. I think having two movies fail in just a couple of months could also make it a little hard for SGS to get people to work with him.
That said I don't think he's lying. I think he's promoting a movie.
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Do any of you think that SGS or anyone else connected with this or any other movies does the interviews out of the goodness of their heart? Could it be that the studio is paying them? If you are getting a paycheck to promote a movie, any movie, are you going to go out a talk bad about it? I don't think so. My guess is that even if you're asked about something that you really don't like about it, you going to answer the question in the most positive way that you can.
What do you think the studio would say to a screen writer if he did any interview and said "this isn't the movie that I wanted to make and in my opinion it sucks and if I were you I keep my money or go see something better." Do you think they would pat him on the back and say "good job, you told the truth and that's all we could ask for. Here's you're next movie."?
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What do you think the studio would say to a screen writer if he did any interview and said "this isn't the movie that I wanted to make and in my opinion it sucks
Actually, some have. They've even had their name credits removed from films. It's certainly not unheard of. And while most of them do indeed continue to work in the industry afterward, others have just up and left it behind because they were so disgusted.
As for interviews, in rare occasions some may, but most don't get paid to do them. Usually it's written into contracts that they have to do a certain limited amount of them (and any that they do beyond that is strictly of their own choosing) and the only monetary compensation they get is the salary they agreed upon at the signing of their contract. They're not compensated for interviews above and beyond their upfront salary.
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MB if it's part of their contract they are getting paid for them.
And most screen writers that get their names taken of a movies credits already have a "name". It's very rare that a first time screen writer would have their name removed when they're working for some like a TB.
SGS also kinda put things back on TB & JB.
And one thing I'm sure of, either the studio is being less that truthful with the trailer, because it looks like a comedy, or others are being less than truthful when they say it isn't.
I've read SGS's only book that he wrote on his own and while I didn't like it, it's style was completely different from what we see in these trailers. As much as I don't care SGS I don't think it's his fault that we got the film that we got. What ever that turns out to be.
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Truth doesn't really play a part when it comes to the DS trailer - or any film's trailer - or even in marketing in general. In product advertising the marketers pick a campaign that stresses what it is about the product that they think will get the most people to buy it. If they don't stress other aspects of the product that it might have, it's not lying. The same goes for the DS trailer. For whatever reason, Warner Brothers thinks the humor in the film will get the most people in the theaters. And because they're stressing that humor over whatever else the film may be, that's also not lying. [easter_smiley]
Also, it's definitely true that Grahame-Smith is a new name when it comes to screenwriting. As such it's not likely he made a huge amount of money working on the DS film's script, or that he's likely to make any more money off it even if the film is a big hit. And to me he comes across in interviews as someone who's more than willing to promote the film because he believes in it, not just because he has a writing credit for it - though, of course, I could be wrong and maybe all he's really doing is protecting his ass. However, whatever the case may be, this whole discussion will soon be moot because soon the film will be out for all the world to see and we'll all know what the truth is. [easter_wink]
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CB, could you elaborate? I read the article online, and didn't pick up on anything that touched on Helena's influence on the project. Is there more in the print version? Or maybe there's a page in the online version that I missed?
I should have phrased that more clearly. I was referring to his general approach to making the film. Because of HBC, he decided to not show the original to anyone else. And I inferred that since Michelle Pfeiffer was the one person who religiously watched the show on set, and he said she was a great example for the other cast members, that he basically went about making the "feel" of the film similar to the original via a roundabout route. It almost seemed like he thought all of the other castmembers would be like HBC and shun the show, when I am fairly sure most could understand that it was A) a 1960s soap opera and B) done "live." There is no telling how actually encouraging the cast to watch the show would have changed the final product, but it was upsetting to me to read that he was so turned off by HBC's reaction that he opted to not show it to anyone else. It would have been interesting had he gone with his initial decision and not had HBC in the cast. Of course, from what I have seen, she looks brilliant. But, she is very blunt about her feelings, and I think that affected Burton's approach. And that was discouraging to read. But who knows... The film could turn out better this way. We shall see.
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And to me he comes across in interviews as someone who's more than willing to promote the film because he believes in it, not just because he has a writing credit for it - though, of course, I could be wrong and maybe all he's really doing is protecting his ass.
Just hearing his voice in that interview, I totally believe him. I believe that he totally gets what it is that the fans see in DS, and what it is that they're afraid of when they see the trailer. And I now truly believe that they did not set out to do a send-up, but something in the spirit of the original albeit with (more) humor. Granted, mixing humor with drama, suspense, and/or horror can be very tricky, and is much more likely to fail than succeed. But Tim Burton has a very good track record in that area, so I'm still quite positive, after the reassuring interview with Seth. Hearing that interview, and that absolutely wonderful score, has me just dying to see this movie already!!!
(I'm still not totally sold on the Barnabas makeup, however. In fact, there's a shot in the German version of the trailer that I don't remember seeing anywhere else, where Barnabas has his shirt open, and his whole chest is that same pasty white as his face. But without a doubt they tested different makeups to get the exact result they wanted for the overall work, so I won't say they made the wrong choice before watching the whole movie.)
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I was referring to his general approach to making the film. Because of HBC, he decided to not show the original to anyone else. And I inferred that since Michelle Pfeiffer was the one person who religiously watched the show on set, and he said she was a great example for the other cast members, that he basically went about making the "feel" of the film similar to the original via a roundabout route.
Ah, now I see. But I think TB is a strong enough director that he will get the performances he wants regardless of how it's done. Of anything we've seen so far, I think it's actually JD's performance that veers the furthest from the DS tone that we'd expect--in the humorous clips--and yet this whole project was his baby to begin with, born out of his love of DS since childhood.
I'm really looking forward to HBC's performance as Julia. She looks like she's going to be a real hoot, just as fabulous as Grayson Hall, but in her own way.
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MB - We will just have to agree to disagree. It's my opinion that when some one markets a movie or any product in a way that suggest to people that the product is something it isn't, it's a lie. An example would be "The Blair Witch Project", the marketing said it was real "found footage" taken by real people that disappeared. It wasn't. Therefor they lied.
As for the DS movie, some people could find the movie to be very funny and some could be scared so bad they can't sleep after seeing it. That kind of thing is different for everyone. I'm not suggesting that SGS or TB doesn't like the movie. I'm sure they do. That said I no more expect him to say something negative about this movie than I expect the CEO of Coke to come out and say that he drinks Pepsi whenever he gets the chance.
I don't hold that against the man, I just take anything that is said by anyone that works on any film, then talks about that film, with a grain of salt.
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MB - We will just have to agree to disagree. It's my opinion that when some one markets a movie or any product in a way that suggest to people that the product is something it isn't, it's a lie. An example would be "The Blair Witch Project", the marketing said it was real "found footage" taken by real people that disappeared. It wasn't. Therefor they lied.
In that case that would be an example of a lie. Though that's a different situation than making a choice to focus on the humor in a film and not to necessarily focus that much on other aspects of it. And no one involved with the film is denying there's humor in it. They're simply saying there's also more to it than what may be very much in evidence in the trailer. Though as you say, we can just agree to disagree. [easter_wink] And as I said, the whole situation with the DS trailer will be moot very soon, anyway. [easter_smiley]
there's a shot in the German version of the trailer that I don't remember seeing anywhere else, where Barnabas has his shirt open, and his whole chest is that same pasty white as his face.
There's a shot in one of the US trailers/TV spots of Barnabas with his shirt open as he and Angelique are destroying the room with their lovemaking and I also noticed that his chest is as pale as his face. (Though I suppose that's only natural.) And there's also another shot where his shirt is open while he's in what would seem to be Julia's lab. But I don't know if either is the same as the one you're referring to because I haven't seen any of the German trailers.
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I'm not sure if I'd say "put off", but to me it does sound almost like an insult to Helena. Although, the way I've heard both of them talk, it sounds like more of a joke (i.e., "Boozing, middle-aged psychiatrist? Just the role for Helena!")
It does seem as if it's an inside joke, doesn't it? Almost as if it's a couple's shorthand. I'm interested in knowing if HBC had any input on decisions regarding the character and plot points surrounding the character in the film, or if these things were meant to me no matter who played the role. Ultimately I'm shocked by what I have learned through various spoilers, but hopefully the information plays better on screen then it does in reading it on a screen.
I am also questioning the seriousness with which HBC took her role in this film, given some of the flippant comments she and others have made regarding her role and how she played it. To me, Dr. Hoffman as a character should be taken seriously if for nothing else than for her relationship with Barnabas, as she was most certainly his partner in crime, ally, and confidant in so many instances.
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Barnabas - I'm completely with you about Dr. Hoffman. It does seem that most of the comedy in this comes from Barnabas so I guess it would be natural for Dr. Hoffman, as his side kick, to be next in line. I hope that's no the case.
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To me, Dr. Hoffman as a character should be taken seriously if for nothing else than for her relationship with Barnabas, as she was most certainly his partner in crime, ally, and confidant in so many instances.
Though it remains to be seen if that's the take with this film. It would seem apparent that she does attempt to cure him, but just from what little we've gotten from the trailers, it would seem as if Liz has taken on some of the aspects that we tend to associate with Julia's relationship with Barnabas. And I have to say I'm quite intrigued with that.
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There's a shot in one of the US trailers/TV spots of Barnabas with his shirt open as he and Angelique are destroying the room with their lovemaking and I also noticed that his chest is as pale as his face. (Though I suppose that's only natural.) And there's also another shot where his shirt is open while he's in what would seem to be Julia's lab. But I don't know if either is the same as the one you're referring to because I haven't seen any of the German trailers.
Hmm... I must have missed some of the US trailers! [easter_cry] More hunting to do...
Yes, of course it only makes sense that his chest would be the same color as his face. Unless it were one of those low-budget zombie movies where the zombies have blue skin everywhere except their hairline, the lower part of their neck, their arms past the wrist when the shirt sleeve rides up, etc. [easter_grin]
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check comingsoon.net they have seven trailers up
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Perhaps we should be grateful that Burton is with HBC instead of Lisa Marie. She probably would have been Angelique but having her as Julia would NOT have worked.
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I daughter says that none of her friends care at all about seeing the DS movie. They says it looks silly.
That's very interesting and somewhat telling about the "target audience." Of course, I found all the references to 1972 (from lava lamps to Deliverance playing at the local theater and everything else inbetween [how I love that old TV console set and the Carpenters performing on it]) to be not only nostalgic, but funny. Back then, when we "oldsters" were growing up, those were the times of our lives and we can appreciate (I, and several friends, snuck into Deliverance even though we were under-age), do the teens and tweens of today have any understanding? I know for a fact they do not. I've worked as a history teacher for years, and now do it as a substitute teacher (along with being an adaptive aquatics instructor for special needs kids, neither of which jobs pays anything), and I can tell you that teens and tweens are curious in the classroom when I explain what it was like back then, but they consider it "weird" and not worth more than a quick story. They have no connection with it and don't care about it, unlike we teens in the early seventies who got a kick out of American Graffiti. We packed the theater for that one and bought the soundtrack record (record? - what's that?) set and had sock-hop-revival dances in our schools. What once was fascinated us. It no longer does for "today's generation." I can tell you that as a current substitute teacher.
I think the whole movie industry, wanting to target the "under 49" crowd really has it wrong. The under-49 crowd (apologies to those here under 49, and you know I'm making a generalization the way Hollywood does - the Hollywood crowd sure just say what it means: teens and tweens) is only concerned about the here and now, about what's "trending." And now what's "trending" is even shorter than the proverbial fifteen minutes of fame. By the time the last one receives a message via "tweeting," what's been tweeting about is old news. It's so March 2012.
That's why it amazes me that folk over 49 were kept out of the advanced screenings. We've already got a group of over 20 who plan on having a weekend DS movie extravaganza, complete with a party and going en-masse to the movie. The average age in the group is 55. The oldest is 72. We have only two who are under 49 - one is 48, the other is young whipper-snapper at 38. More than half have never or rarely experienced DS, but because of the trailer, they can't wait to see it. Like I said in previous posts, the trailer has given them a huge interest in the series which many loathed before. And most of us lived and experienced the '70's. We're looking forward to experiencing it again (along with Barnabas and Angelique and Elizabeth, et. al.). But teens and tweens today? It's all about the awful Twilight series (set in the today) and the film version of The Hunger Games (adapted, in a very good way, from an excellent popular novel series). But by tomorrow, they'll be onto something else. Teens and tweens, from my current experience, are fickle. They want the now. And for Hollywood, that's a dangerous "trending" thing to follow. This weekend's box-office dynamite can and will turn into next weekend's bomb.
Gerard
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it would seem as if Liz has taken on some of the aspects that we tend to associate with Julia's relationship with Barnabas. And I have to say I'm quite intrigued with that.
I have to say that I am as well, MB. Its definitely something that is worthy of exploring, given Liz's stature in the present day family, and it would make the most sense if she does know Barnabas' secret that she would become his confidant in this film because at least that way they could more effectively work together to bring the family back from the brink.
On another note, I'm also intrigued with how Rogers character was described in the Empire article. Why does Burton want to be so tight lipped about his character and what happens with him in the film? Perhaps it's one of the last few actual plot twists that haven't seemed to slip out at some point or another? Will we be shocked by a betrayal or perhaps a love affair that Roger has?
30 days is too long.
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That's why it amazes me that folk over 49 were kept out of the advanced screenings.
Yes, it's really ironic that the marketing is focusing on the 18-49 age range, while it looks like a lot of the humor is really just going to go over their heads. It's us old fogeys who are going to get most of the jokes and laugh loudest at the horror freak show (i.e., the 1970s style and culture). [easter_cheesy]
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Gerard - My daughter is 26.
That aside, I do agree with your post.
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It's odd because I have been in contact with a wide range of youth and young adults (16-24) and they all seem to love the trailer. I just overhear "Dark Shadows" all over the place (I never bring it up), and it's really heartwarming. I actually have had conversations with people about Barnabas... Barnabas... to hear the name in public in the 21st century. It really makes one all "warm and fuzzy inside."
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Another take on the controversy. http://cliqueclack.com/flicks/2012/04/04/danny-elfman-dark-shadows-score/?utm_source=web&utm_medium=clakus&utm_campaign=social_media
The bottom line is that the trailer does not work on any level. I have seen it twice in the movie theaters and no one laughed or chuckled at the "funny" lines. The funny lines fell flat. They are simply not funny. WB has completely dropped the ball by putting all its eggs in the 18-49 demographic. This trailer either confused them or they believed it was just not funny or just plain silly. WB needs to get a trailer out there that is truly representative of the movie. WB is ruining this movie if the film is really is more of a gothic horror movie with some comedy.
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My daughter is 26 and I'm not around many people her age other than her friends. After they went to see Hunger Games at midnight I asked if they saw the DS trailer. After my daughter told me she was sorry, I asked what they thought about it. She said it looked silly. She is a Twilight fan. She said that vampire love stories are so big right now, why would they make a comedy out of DS. I told her I didn't know and that I hoped it wasn't a comedy, that the trailer just made it look like a comedy.
I plan to see this twice. I'm hoping for a good TB movie, if not a good DS movie.
Only time will tell.
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There's a shot in one of the US trailers/TV spots of Barnabas with his shirt open as he and Angelique are destroying the room with their lovemaking and I also noticed that his chest is as pale as his face.
I've looked through what I think are all of the US trailers, and don't find the shot that you can see at around 1:23 in this trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROkB79OUvlQ
It's a shot of Barnabas, seen from Angelique's point of view, framed by her legs. (I guess it was probably considered too racy for a green band trailer.)
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Keep in mind, you can't get much sillier than Dumb and Dumber and it did pretty good at the box office. I've never seen but I don't like silly.
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She said that vampire love stories are so big right now, why would they make a comedy out of DS.
LOL, I guess everyone has their own perspective. For me, I am just thrilled that DS will be so far away from Twilight. I mean, why do what Twilight is doing just because it is popular right now? That's what Twilight is for, for those who like that sort of thing [easter_grin]
I have much to catch up on and haven't read the Empire article yet, but thanks for the link to the audio interview with Grahame-Smith. I dunno, I don't really get the notion that he or others might be "lying" or doing "damage control," just because we may not agree with the film they've chosen to make. I tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they're saying what they think, but that's just me :D
The one part of the interview that has me the most hopeful is when Seth started talking about the music in the trailer. I think that I addressed this issue a few days ago, after I had seen an old Hugo trailer, after having really loved the film. The trailer wasn't that good, and I think a large part of it (for me, anyway) was that the music used in the trailer didn't capture the heart of the film. I said that likewise, I felt that the thing that was throwing me off the most from the DS trailer wasn't so much the scenes themselves, but the music playing over them. Seth said that yes, that music is there in the film, but not to the extent that it would seem based on the trailer. That remark, in addition to hearing the sound snippets from the actual score, has me hopeful that I'll enjoy the tone of the movie much more than I first thought. Music can make a big difference in the tone. Your mileage may vary, of course!
By the way, I can only tell from one filmgoing experience wrt the trailer, but the folks at my showing of 21 Jump Street seemed to enjoy the DS trailer. Granted, I think that the 21 Jump Street audience may skew older (and more nostalgia-oriented) than Hunger Games, so that may in part explain the difference in reactions.
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There's nothing I like about Twilight and would hope to never have a DS film that's at all like it.
I think people going to 21 Jump St. would react to the trailer because they both appear to be comedies. Hunger Games isn't a comedy so people going to it may not be in thr right frame of mind for a trailer that looks to be a comedy. Just a guess.
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It's a shot of Barnabas, seen from Angelique's point of view, framed by her legs. (I guess it was probably considered too racy for a green band trailer.)
It may be too racy for US green band trailer sensibilities - but it's certainly not too racy for here on the forum. [easter_wink]
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/German.jpg)
[naughty] And thanks so much for the link, KMR. [easter_smiley]
And that article about the trailer vs. the score makes an interesting point because it's certainly true that trailers are often farmed out to companies that have no connection to the studio or to the creators of a film. Who knows - perhaps that really is what happened with DS. Though one would think that if the Warner Brothers' marketing department didn't like what they got from such a company, they would have asked their hire to do it over or perhaps even gone elsewhere. But then, again, who knows? Though so far as the general reaction to the trailer goes, at worst we can say it's been mixed because there are people who hate it, there are people who love it, there are Web sites that question what in the world Warner Brothers was thinking when they put it out, and there are Web sites that endorse it and think it's great.
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All I can say right now is that shot of Barnabas is really making me impatient for the release of HODS--I'm itching to see Don in his blue jammies in Blu-ray! [easter_wink]
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Everyone should be glad to know that WaterTower has fixed the spellings. "Vicky" is now "Vicki" and Barnabas is also spelled correctly.
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This photo has been circulating on Facebook groups re the tendency to spell Barnabas as Barnabus -
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Yes, same here. They are mostly kids of friends (who are not DS fans).
It's odd because I have been in contact with a wide range of youth and young adults (16-24) and they all seem to love the trailer.
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perception and receptivity are tricky things...
for instance it seems like people who long ago decided to dislike this, and have not for a day stopped complaining about it, have somehow managed to find themselves in the company of people who similarly dislike it. all the comments they hear about it are conveniently negative. nobody likes it.
yet those who have been more open to it's various possibilities are hearing more varied opinions. i've spoken to many people who think it looks stupid. but a similar number who are excited for it. one person i spoke to yesterday at work saw the trailer and said it looked like "the best thing burton has ever done".
one hears and sees what one wants. [easter_lipsrsealed]
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BarnaBUS! That is great, Nancy!
And I am glad that the trailer is working for a nice number of people in their target. Of course, people generally don't say they dislike something in the public sphere, especially when said thing is far from their minds (So DS fans are not included here). But, still.... People definitely like it and are talking about it. And I think that's a good sign. I always keep my ears wide open. [easter_wink]
Oh, and this was posted on Collinwood.net:
http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2012/04/new-move-makeup-range-announced.html
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I was waiting to have Midnite post about the makeup (since she posted about the nail polish), but since you've jumped the gun (though, of course, you had no way of knowing what I was up to [easter_cheesy]):
NYX Dark Shadows Palette (http://www.musingsofamuse.com/2012/04/nyx-dark-shadows-palette.html)
And actually there have been all sorts of articles about it posted on the Internet, but I thought that was the best one. And definitely check this out for a great image of Collinwood:
Dark Shadows and NYX Cosmetics Sweepstakes (http://www.nyxcosmetics.com/dark-shadows-and-nyx-cosmetics-sweepstakes)
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This photo has been circulating on Facebook groups re the tendency to spell Barnabas as Barnabus -
[easter_smiley] I saw this one on tumblr:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2r2tdgw.gif)
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Both of those are hysterical! [easter_grin] Thanks so much, Nancy and Sara Monster. [easter_smiley]
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Uh oh! I am sorry to have spoiled the plan. Perhaps it would be an appropriate time for her to send Bunnicula after me! [easter_wink]
But I really love that image of Collinwood! Fantastic! Very reminiscent of the foggy view of Seaview!
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True. For my part, I have no emotional investment in whether or not anyone near or around me is interested in this movie, or likes or dislikes it. I've had plenty of discussions about trailers and movies with friends pro and con about particular movies. I also notice that at the movies, not everyone even pays attention to the endless trailers, etc. as they are more interested in making sure they have their refreshments, checking their phone or chatting.
Nancy
one hears and sees what one wants. [easter_lipsrsealed]
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And some people read whatever they want into what others say. Life goes on.
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Both of those are hysterical! Thanks so much, Nancy and Sara Monster.
OMG! Those are wicked!! LOL!!
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A Web site in Scotland that can hardly wait for the DS film:
Trailer of the Week: Dark Shadows (http://www.scotsman.com/news/trailer-of-the-week-dark-shadows-1-2215966)
Some of us here know the feeling. [easter_wink]
And on a different front, Michelle Pfeiffer is being given the 2012 Cinema Icon Award:
Michelle Pfeiffer joins CinemaCon honourees (http://www.screendaily.com/awards/other-awards/michelle-pfeiffer-joins-cinemacon-honourees/5040164.article?blocktitle=Latest-news&contentID=1846)
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Still catching up on my e-mail (as usual) and I'm surprised no one posted about this second banner poster for the film:
Yet Another Dark Shadows Banner One-Sheet (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/54261/yet-another-dark-shadows-banner-one-sheet)
The first poster to feature Barnabas actually sitting in the chair.
And here's an endorsement for the 2nd 60 second TV spot:
Another TV Spot For Dark Shadows (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/02/another-tv-spot-for-dark-shadows-squeezes-in-more-horror-tropes-more-gags/)
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Speaking of the casting descriptions of Bella Heathcote as waitress vs. governess (which we weren't in this topic but it did come up in the "Return To Collinwwod" book topic), I was just rereading a lot of the casting articles from back in February of 2011 and what's actually more interesting than her character being described as either a "waitress" or a "governess" is that Heathcote was described as "the female lead" in the film. If that really is the case, they've certainly been doing an excellent job of keeping the prominence/importance of Victoria/Josette under wraps because Heathcote barely appears in any of the official photos and footage. [easter_undecided] For all intents and purposes, Eva Green would appear to be the female lead, yet the casting reports for her don't refer to her as such...
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Very true! I am not entirely sure who, other than Depp, has the most screentime in this endeavor. The trailer would seem to indicate it's Eva Green. But the ads put more of an emphasis on Michelle Pfeiffer. Bella doesn't get much publicity (We haven't even heard her speak - other than as Josette's Ghost). Then again, she isn't that well known (either by face or name), so she could have a very significant part and they could just be downplaying it. Either way, I think I am going to really enjoy seeing her as Vicki, and I hope she is featured very prominently. After all, there wouldn't be a Dark Shadows if it weren't for our lovely little governess.
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Barnabas made it on the top banner of the Wall Street Journal today!!! [easter_shocked]
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Johnny as Barnabas, that is. There's a big article on Seth Grahame-Smith that takes up the whole front page of the Friday Journal (plus more inside). But the photo of Barnabas in (Carolyn's?) room with his index finger pointing up is on the very front page above the WSJ banner!
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Thanks for the heads up, KMR. [easter_smiley]
I have a friend who works in a bank and buys the WSJ every day. I'll have to give him a call to be sure he saves it. Though considering he's also a DS fan, something tells me he was already planning to and was probably going to surprise me with the article when I see him on Sunday. But it never hurts to be doubly sure. [easter_wink]
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I want to experiment with some Linux video programs that I've never tried to see if their results are any better. But the videos of those spots should show up sooner than rather than later.
Just to update, those experiments haven't been going all that well. In fact, the resulting videos have been blurrier than what I was already getting. And that's odd to me because the new stuff I've been creating is 1280X720, and one would think that should be clearer than 480X272 (a preset resolution in my original software - and one that I cannot change) - especially when watched at fullscreen on a 32 inch monitor set to 1920X1080 - but it's not. The 480X272 resolution is really quite a bit clearer. Not as clear as the original 1920X1080 source video, but much clearer than the new videos coming out, and for the most part better than what's on YouTube.
But anyway, I'm going to do a bit more experiment later today. And if things still come out blurrier, I'm just going to go ahead and start uploading/posting 480X272 videos of the TV spots. And if at some point I can figure out how to make clear 1280X720 videos, I can always upload/post those somewhere down the road...
Also, if by the time I get a copy of the WSJ article no one has discovered a version online, I'll scan/post it.
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Just got this retweet on my phone from GK FIlms about a Seth Grahame-Smith public appearance next Tuesday:
Seth Grahame-Smith @sethgs
LA area Twitter friends: I'm speaking/Q&A-ing/signing at 3rd St Promenade's Barnes and Noble this Tuesday night -- 7p. Let's get down!
Retweeted by gkfilms
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Do not read the MTV movie blog this week. It reveals the names of the tracks in the text.
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I do believe I've finally figured out what I've been doing wrong - or rather what I've not been doing, which is specifying the bitrate. [6184] It's amazing how much clearer things actually come out when I do that. [wink2] And though the resulting file size of the TV spot I'm working with is still a bit too large for my liking, I have cut it almost in half from the extremely unmanageable and no way I would ever upload 64.8MB of the 1920X1080 original.
And thanks so much for the heads up, Cousin_Barnabas. [easter_smiley] Though could you post a link for the people who won't mind the spoilers? [easter_wink]
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Sure!
Again, spoilers are inherent in the track names which are included in this article.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682664/dark-shadows-trailer.jhtml
And yay for high-res videos! Sounds like you are on the right path, MB!
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"It's just a bad..a hilariously bad soap opera and because it's so bad he felt he had to make a hugely expensive movie."
Probably my favorite quote from the HBC video interview accompanying the article linked by Cousin Barnabas.
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That's the video where she gives away the plot detail, isn't it? I briefly watched it again, but I was certain that was the one with the spoiler. And I guess it makes sense to have that video with the music list since that spoiler is confirmed in the track listing!
I went to BN today to see if Fangoria was in. It was not. Neither was the KLS book...
Oh, and I did have a question... Was Dan Curtis Productions always listed in the production companies affiliated with this film? Am I just blanking on that or is this a new development?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/companycredits
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It has always been there. [easter_wink]
34 days 1 hours 46 minutes 43 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Ahhh... I suspected as much. I just couldn't remember seeing it. Thanks, MB.
I hope that we get a new trailer soon!
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I'm surprised that the longer 2 minutes and 25 seconds version of what we presume was the one shown during Once Upon a Time doesn't seem to have surfaced online yet. [easter_undecided]
And speaking of that OUaT version, I decided to kick off the high resolution videos of the TV spots by going back to do a new video of that one. I ultimately decided to go with 1024X576 because that resolution seems like the perfect balance of resolution and file size. Though you wouldn't know it from this particular one because it's 60.5MB - but that's only because it's 2 minutes long. The file size for the 60 second and 30 second TV spots will be much smaller.
And sorry about the watermark. But the last time I provided a video version of this it ended up making its way all around the world - to YouTube and even some Russian version of YouTube. And of course, no one credited the forum for the video. But should anyone decide to "borrow" the new high resolution videos I'll be posting, they won't be able to avoid revealing where they came from. [easter_wink] Though I did make the watermark as inconspicuous as possible. In fact, at times it's barely even visible.
But anyway, here's the link:
Once Upon a Time_2012_03_18_19_59_00.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Once Upon a Time_2012_03_18_19_59_00.mp4) (60.5MB)
And more videos will soon follow...
33 days 23 hours 27 minutes 52 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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I have been off the boards for a week. My pc broke last week, and couldn't be fixed, got a new one. I wanted to say that we saw the ds trailer last week. One of 6 that were shown. The Dark Shadows trailer created a nice buzz in the audience. I liked it. I am hopeful the film will do well despite all the early criticism.Looking forward to seeing it.
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Wow, MB! That is fantastic! It really brings out new details - especially in the flashback, the part of that ad I love the most. So thank you so much for doing this!
And I totally understand the watermark, which isn't even noticeable. It's unfortunate that people don't give credit where credit is due.
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The video interview with Grahame-Smith was very interesting. I wonder if John August's original script will ever become available to the public. I'd love to see what the original "straightforward, darker" take on the film was like.
I agree with borgosi that people associated with a movie/TV show aren't always above skewing information or even providing misinformation in an attempt to make their product more appealing. As an example, the producers of "Lost" would frequently make statements or promises about the direction of the show or the trajectory of characters that would quickly be disproven by subsequent episodes. Yet, even though fans found this frustrating, the show continued to garner lots of viewers. In the age of the Internet, when information is easily obtained and leaked, I can believe that the practice of issuing "foilers" as a security measure or a way to hold an audience's interest could become more acceptable and might not necessarily be seen as unethical.
However, to give SGS the benefit of the doubt, I'm willing to believe that, because he's not an original series fan, it's possible that the comedic elements of the film/trailer don't seem as overwhelming and discordant to him as they do to some of the people who have been critical of the DS movie. Perhaps he genuinely thinks the movie has a balanced blend of horror/gothic/romance/comedy elements.
Incidentally, SGS is supposed to appear at the Los Angeles Festival of Books at USC (April 21-22). I plan to go; I'm curious to see what the guy is like in person.
ProfStokes
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Thank you for posting the new version of the trailer. Very high resolution! Wondering if anyone else noticed the deep scars on Angelique's face during one scene? Although we've discussed it briefly, they are much easier to see in this version of the trailer, especially if you maximize the screen-size. The scars appear similar to those on Adam from TOS, but without stitches. How will this play into the plot? Why would a witch have scars on her face? Anyone care to speculate?
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Regarding the lines on Angelique's face, could they be veins, a la Dark Willow from Buffy?
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Prof Stokes, I would love to hear your report about the Graham-Smith appearance. I wonder whether there will be crowds of people in zombie parade costume given his association with the "zombie" genre.
The guy is hotter than a pepper sprout (to quote Nancy Sinatra) in H'wood at the moment. I wonder whether it will last.
G.
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Regarding the lines on Angelique's face, could they be veins, a la Dark Willow from Buffy?
When you watch it in HD via Quicktime, the lines are opening. She's cracking or something.
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I wonder if Barnabas [spoiler]kills Angelique and cuts her up, to dispose of the body.[/spoiler] Then perhaps, she pulls herself back together and [spoiler]comes back to life.[/spoiler] Or maybe, Julia helps her with this. Anything is possible, I suppose.
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Thanks MB for the wonderful video.
My take from a recent post is that SGS may actually believe what he is saying about the DS movie not being as comedic as the trailers suggest but that the movie nonetheless may be as comedic as the trailers have shown.
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Although, Grahame-Smith says the beginning of the film isn't humorous and the final third of the film really isn't, so we shall see.
And as for TV shows possibly turning out differently than what advanced spoilers and/or staff remarks may lead viewers to believe, I can easily understand how that happens because TV shows are living, breathing things that can often veer off in different directions from what may have been planned once their scripts are actually written. I've read many interviews with TV show writers/producers/whatever in which that has been the case. (Though I've read them after the fact because, just like I'm avoiding spoilers for the DS films, I avoid spoilers for all the TV shows I watch because I like to see things unfold the way they actually do in the eps, as opposed to knowing way beforehand and it being less of a surprise and, therefore, it having less of an impact. And since I've never paid attention to spoilers, if things do actually turn out differently than advance info might have led viewers to believe, it doesn't phase me in the slightest.) For instance, I now know that the identity of the dead body on the beach in the pilot of Revenge changed many times between the time the pilot was shot and the recent ep finally revealing the identity was aired. (And just as an aside, if you're not watching Revenge, shame on you because it's one of the best shows on TV this season!)
On the others hand, it's not so much a case that those types of situations will happen with a film. Certain talked about scenes may end up on the cutting room floor (though these days they're often likely to show up as deleted scenes in the DVD extras), but trailers notwithstanding because they can often be misleading, it's a rarity when a film is described officially or in articles as one thing and it actually turns out to be something entirely different. That just wouldn't be very good business practice. And even in the case of The Blair Witch Project, even if it wasn't true in reality, at least within the premise of the film itself it was true that the footage was shot by real people and then discovered, so the concept of the film itself was not misrepresented..
33 days 11 hours 1 minute 9 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Thank you for posting the new version of the trailer. Very high resolution!
Everyone is very welcome and I'm glad it's appreciated. [easter_smiley] Plus I got to learn how to use a new piece of software, and the computer geek in me always loves when that happens. [easter_wink]
Hopefully I'll get to post the next TV Spot later today. The next one in chronological order from the way they were first aired is the original version of "the box and peanuts" spot - and since I never posted high resolutions screen captures from that because at first all I had was the YouTube version, I'll probably post some caps from whatever was new in that one at the time it came out.
33 days 10 hours 50 minutes 59 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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It almost seemed in SGS last interview that he was in spin mode and/or damage control mode or deflecting some blame for the movie's comedic content. I do take him at his word but when you compare that to people who have also seen the movie and have a completely different take on it, it just creates some doubt for sure. I am sure the studio is happy with the amount of talk the trailers have generated. I am not sure if it is thrilled with the trailers creating confusion unless that is its goal. I think the buzz around this movie is not solid. This site has the DS movie in 25th place http://www.nextmovie.com/movietracker/ and this is after the official trailer(s) was released. I hope the next trailer shows what SGS sees. I am still holding out some hope.
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It should also be noted, though, that it went up to #25 from #32 - and more noteworthy is that sentiment is 80% positive (whereas something like The Dark Knight Rises, which one might expect to be higher, is at 75%). The film is even #25 on this week's IMDb MOVIEmeter, and it's natural for films to climb and fall as publicity ebbs and flows, and there wasn't much new last week, which is why it fell on IMDb. So, in that respect, it's actually interesting that it climbed on their chart.
33 days 7 hours 25 minutes 30 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Let's hope that the new trailer coming up gets people more excited and is truly an accurate depiction of the movie.
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I've read SGS's only book that he wrote on his own and while I didn't like it, it's style was completely different from what we see in these trailers. As much as I don't care SGS I don't think it's his fault that we got the film that we got. What ever that turns out to be.
For what it's worth - and I have no idea what that is because I've never read any of his books - I just saw that in this week's issue of Entertainment Weekly they reviewed Grahame-Smith's new novel Unholy Night (which details what the Three Wise Men were really up to on the night of Jesus' birth) and they gave it an A.
And on a separate but Grahame-Smith related note, I was talking to the friend who will give me the WSJ article tomorrow, and he said that the writer of the article gives the impression that Grahame-Smith injected humor into the DS script where there was none originally when John August wrote his draft. However, we know that is not the case because, as I've said, Grahame-Smith didn't come on board until July of 2010, yet back in April of 2010 Richard Zanuck had already commented that August's script was "very funny." [easter_undecided]
33 days 7 hours 11 minutes 19 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Let's hope that the new trailer coming up gets people more excited
80% positive would seem to already be pretty excited. It's certainly possible to go higher, but I don't know if we can really expect much higher than that. [easter_wink]
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True 80% is excellent. Hope it is accurate.
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3 screen captures from what was new in the first 30 second TV Spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000046.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #46 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000046.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000071.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #71 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000071.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000249.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #249 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000249.jpg)
33 days 5 hours 34 minutes 21 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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4 more screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000388.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #388 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000388.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000492.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #492 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000492.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000549.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #549 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000549.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000586.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #586 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000586.jpg)
33 days 5 hours 31 minutes 29 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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And the final 3 screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000802.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #802 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000802.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000866.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #866 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000866.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000906.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #906 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/80000906.jpg)
And here's the link for the video:
2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament_2012_03_31_17_59_00.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament_2012_03_31_17_59_00.mp4) (14.7MB)
33 days 5 hours 24 minutes 40 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Just went to my local movie theater to see TITANIC in 3d and I saw that they have another type of display for DS that I don't think has been posted about yet. Pretty much it's just a tall-about 7ft or so- cardboard square where each side displays one of the character posters we've seen. They're from the set that has Josette on Widows Hill and Angelique in front of her car, etc. So of course I had to inquire about getting them once the movie premieres.
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But of course, Brandon. [easter_wink] I would have done the same. [easter_cheesy]
And thanks for telling us. [easter_smiley] It may have taken them what seemed to us like forever to begin to promote the film, but Warner Brothers is certainly going all out now that they are promoting it.
33 days 4 hours 52 minutes 48 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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How the hell does that chart on NextMovie work?! Just before I posted the latest batch of screen caps and the associated video I checked it just to see what was going on and it said the film had climbed to #24 from #33 (even though when we last looked it was #25), but fallen to 42% positive with a Buzz Count of 5. Previously when it was at #25 and 80%, the Buzz Count was 4. But when I just checked a few seconds ago, it was still holding at #24 (though it said it had climbed from #29) and it was up to 75% positive, but the Buzz Count was down to 2. I can't figure it out at all. [hdscrt] Apparently like seemingly every ranking associated with MTV's Web site, it's very strange...
33 days 4 hours 40 minutes 31 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Can someone please give me the titles of any of the songs you recognize that are playing during the movie trailers? I want to get them from Itunes, but don't know any of the titles. Thank you.
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There's:
My First, My Last, My Everything - Barry White
Bang a Gong (Get It On) - T. Rex
Top of the World - The Carpenters
Superfly - Curtis Mayfield
and there seems to be music from another one but I haven't been able to place it yet.
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Probably the best article yet:
See the response from "emma" marked: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:05 am entitled "The Times"
http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53069&p=1569047
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Thanks, Mysterious. I appreciate your providing the titles. [easter_cheesy]
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How the hell does that chart on NextMovie work?! ... I can't figure it out at all. [hdscrt] Apparently like seemingly every ranking associated with MTV's Web site, it's very strange...
I checked a few more times and it was always still #24 with a Buzz Count of 2, but the positive sentiment was 50%, then it was 66%, and now it's 100%:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Cap.jpg)
It's all just too bizarre for me. [easter_rolleyes] I have no idea how earlier negative sentiment could have been at 58% but now a few hours later positive sentiment is 100%. What the hell happened to the negative sentiment? Though of course, an hour from now it could be 100% negative, then back to 50/50, then down to 25% positive, then back up to 80% positive, then...
The best thing to do might be just to ignore the whole thing...
33 days 2 hours 25 minutes 29 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Probably the best article yet
A very nice article. Thanks for the link. [easter_smiley] In particular because I haven't been checking JOHNNYDEPPZONE at all lately. [easter_embarassed]
33 days 2 hours 19 minutes 31 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Well a minute ago it was in 20th place with a 29% negative sentiment. I have no idea what the site uses to track a movie's buzz. I can't find anything at the site on how it measures the buzz. Perhaps we should forget about this site.
Thanks for the link CB.
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I was a little saddened by KLS' account of the trip to Pinewood to film the cameos. If Mr. Frid is exhausted after three takes (putting aside the obvious joke that three takes was probably an unheard of luxury to the original cast), is that something she needs to gossip about to all her readers? "Those who would gossip with you will gossip about you." And Ms. Parker's entry about the shoot was a bit less diplomatic than Ms. Scott's. Sad face.
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Phil, are you referring to anecdotes from Return to Collinwood?
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Can someone please give me the titles of any of the songs you recognize that are playing during the movie trailers? I want to get them from Itunes, but don't know any of the titles. Thank you.
School's Out by Alice Cooper is another.
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Well, maybe I'm mistaken, or there are a couple different Alice Cooper versions. Just watched one with No More Mr. Nice guy in place of School's Out.
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I was a little saddened by KLS' account of the trip to Pinewood to film the cameos. If Mr. Frid is exhausted after three takes (putting aside the obvious joke that three takes was probably an unheard of luxury to the original cast), is that something she needs to gossip about to all her readers? "Those who would gossip with you will gossip about you." And Ms. Parker's entry about the shoot was a bit less diplomatic than Ms. Scott's. Sad face.
true...
some of ms.parker's remarks had the feel of sour grapes. she certainly didn't need to bring up HBC's less than flattering comments. she takes it all too seriously.
and yes there were some deets to mr.frid's fragile condition that probably could have been left out too. [easter_undecided]
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There's also Howlin' For You by The Black Keys in TV spot #2.
Petofi
There's:
My First, My Last, My Everything - Barry White
Bang a Gong (Get It On) - T. Rex
Top of the World - The Carpenters
Superfly - Curtis Mayfield
and there seems to be music from another one but I haven't been able to place it yet.
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SGS tweeted to WB that he would one of the chairs from the DS display. https://twitter.com/#!/sethgs/status/188796891268530177/photo/1
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/nest/197312827
I hope this hasn't already been posted but I thought you guys would want to know about it.
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I hope this hasn't already been posted
Yes, on the previous page.
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Here's the link for the high resolution video of the 2nd 30 second TV spot:
2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament_2012_03_25_16_30_01.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament_2012_03_25_16_30_01.mp4) (14.1MB)
31 days 8 hours 10 minutes 31 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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They are moving the Dictator due to the DS movie. http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/paramount-moving-the-dictator-back-five-days-rather-than-battle-warner-bros-dark-shadows/
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That is certainly interesting. Thanks for the link, jimbo. [easter_smiley]
31 days 7 hours 25 minutes 12 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Thanks MB for uploading the 2nd 30 second spot. It must be my browser because the voices seems delayed by a second. I'll try to use a different one.
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Image is great! But, like jimbo, I experienced out-of-synch audio. Not really that big of an issue, though. Thanks for all of your efforts, MB!
And, jimbo... So interesting. Well, DS might never reach Number 1 now. I thought it had a chance in its second week. Maybe it still will. We shall see!
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Hmmm - it plays in sync for me. I wonder why you're experiencing a delay?
Are you playing the video directly in your browser? Or downloading the file and playing it on your computer? I did the latter to check it...
31 days 5 hours 34 minutes 50 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Well, DS might never reach Number 1 now. I thought it had a chance in its second week. Maybe it still will. We shall see!
Though as I've said, being #1 at the box office isn't always everything it's cracked up to be. Plenty of films that never reached #1 in any of their weeks at the box office have become hits. And plenty of films that did reach #1 didn't go on to become hits. It's all in the long haul. [easter_wink]
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Very true, MB. It would just be amazing to hear that Dark Shadows was "Number 1!"
I went to BN again today. They didn't have Fangoria, but they did have Return to Collinwood. These books were going in a special display, so they weren't out, but I asked to have one pulled from the back of the store.
I am "making friends" (That's in quotes, because our relationship is simply in-store [easter_wink]) with one of the BN cashiers. She was an original fan of the show, and every time I check out with her with some new DS publication, we talk about it. She is of the mindset that it "was acted so badly" that it was a lot of fun. But, she still loves it and catches episodes when they air on TV (even though it's been about 10 years now). She was unaware of the new film and was surprised when I told her about it.
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And, jimbo... So interesting. Well, DS might never reach Number 1 now. I thought it had a chance in its second week. Maybe it still will. We shall see!
I'm kinda confused. Are you saying that The Dictator moving its opening date to 5 days later is lessening the chance of DS reaching no. 1? I would think that less competition on opening weekend would increase the chance. [easter_huh]
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CB I would love to see the DS movie number 1. (Of course I never want to see the words DS is the number 1 Comedy). I think it does stand a chance in the first week of its release to be No. 1 because you can't underestimate the fans of Johnny Depp and Tim Burton. It would sound so cool.
KMR any week DS is no. 1 sounds good to me. I'm guessing it has a better chance to be no. 1 in its first week.
MB I click on the download feature and my browser Windows 7 IE plays it in my browser.
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Oh, wait a minute. Maybe you were saying that DS didn't really have a chance its first week because of continued business for The Avengers from the previous week? But still, wouldn't this new move make it better for DS, since those who already saw The Avengers the previous week wouldn't be torn between DS and The Dictator?
(That being said, I tend to agree with MB. Some movies have "legs" and some don't, and it's kind of hard to predict that. I have a hunch that the controversy over the DS promotional strategy indicates this is a movie that is going to get a lot more--or less!--business on the basis of word of mouth. Most of the people creatively involved are saying it's pretty much unclassifiable, which throws everything up in the air.)
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That is exactly what I meant, KMR. We know Avengers is going to do explosive box office business, and its success will probably be similar to that of The Hunger Games which was a huge success for a couple weeks in a row. DS may not be able to overcome the momentum. I hope it can, but I am not counting on it. I was certain that DS would take first at the box office during its second week because The Avengers crowd would have thinned and the competition was nil. But with a major new picture opening that week now, I am not so certain. We shall see. The best outcome for the film would be to take first place for two weeks. But I would be happy if it took first place once. However, as MB said, it's really just semantics. The film can do well and never actually be "Number 1."
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I finally got this scanned and proofread. Hopefully I caught all the misreads my OCR software had done - but if not, it wasn't for lack of trying. [easter_wink] And even though a good deal of the article has absolutely nothing to do with the DS film, I still think it's quite interesting because it gives a really nice glimpse of who Seth Grahame-Smith really is. Though I definitely found one part about DS to be very interesting: that Grahame-Smith recently wrote a new voiceover for Depp for the film. I'm presuming that could mean that a scene or scenes have been cut from the film and a voiceover is required to explain whatever missing info they would have provided had they been included in the final edit. Though at least there could be a good chance that the missing scene(s) will show up in the DVD extras, if not actually in a director's cut. But I suppose we'll see...
Grahame-Smith_1.jpg (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Grahame-Smith_1.jpg) (Notice Barnabas' hand in the center bottle on the right.)
THE MASTER OF THE MASH-UP
SETH GRAHAME-SMITH blended Jane Austen with zombies and Abraham Lincoln with vampires. Now, with two movies and a novel landing soon, he's one of Hollywood's most sought-after young players.
BY ALEXANDRA ALTER
When Seth Grahame-Smith wants to torture himself, he scans the Web for harsh reviews of his books. He scrolls through comments calling him "a hack," "a one-trick pony," "an author of gimmick lit," "a cesspool of commercial crap."
Mr. Grahame-Smith refers to himself self-deprecatingly as "Mr. Junk-Food Literature." Unprompted he brings up a review of his forthcoming novel, "Unholy Night," which snarkily suggested that the book should have been subtitled "in 3-D."
It's a blunt dig, but not entirely unfair, he says. His books are cinematic by design. He sold the screen rights and script for "Unholy Night"-a thriller starring the Bible's three wise men-to Warner Bros. for close to $2 million. Lionsgate optioned his breakout best seller, "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies," which sold more than a million copies in 27 languages. A 3-D action movie based on his 2010 novel "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" hits theaters in June.
"I understand exactly what I am," says Mr. Grahame-Smith, a boyish-looking 36-year-old with a round, freckled face, ears that stick out slightly and reddish-brown hair. I'm a big, bombastic novelist and thrill-ride guy. I'm never going to win the National Book Award."
With two movies and a novel landing in the next three months, and two more scripts in development with Warner Bros., Mr. Grahame-Smith has become one of the most sought after young writers in Hollywood. On a recent brisk day in Los Angeles, he rushed from a staff meeting at his production company, KatzSmith Productions to an editing session for "Abraham Lincoln" at Fox postproduction studio, to lunch with an executive from Johnny Depp's film company, to a meeting with the willowy brunette actress Olivia Wilde, who dropped by to discuss possible roles. In between appointments he downed Starbucks lattes and fielded calls and emails from publicists, talent agents, directors and studio executives, sighing, cursing and occasionally muttering "Really?" in mock disbelief when his phone buzzed again.
Mr. Grahame-Smith has morphed from writer to Hollywood power player and is now a partner in a production company that is acquiring and commissioning scripts from other writers. The company has 15 movie and television projects in development, with deals at Warner Bros., ABC Family, Fox and Universal.
Hollywood veterans like "Jaws" producer Richard Zanuck say that Mr. Grahame-Smith is bringing a welcome infusion of weird, offbeat ideas and punchy humor to an industry that's come to be dominated by cookie-cutter reboots, comic-book adaptations and sequels.
Fueled by caffeine and anxiety, Mr. Grahame-Smith seems both exhilarated and terrified by his rapid rise. "I'm trying to grow into this role," he says. "The one thing you don't think about when you're dreaming of getting in is how scared you'll be when you get there-don't screw it up, please don't screw it up.'
Just three years ago, Mr. Grahame-Smith was virtually unknown. He was buried in student-loan debt and writing novelty books like "The Big Book of Porn" to pay his rent. His break came in 2009 with "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies," which he wrote for a slim advance of a few thousand dollars. It was an unexpected hit that spawned a microgenre of knockoffs by other writers, including "Android Karenina" and
"Wuthering Bites."
Mr. Grahame-Smith wasn't the first writer to put a bizarre spin on a classic tale (arguably, Shakespeare was a skilled practitioner of genre remixing). But he's become the mash-up movement's modern avatar. His irreverent literary reboot landed at precisely the right cultural moment. In recent years, digital remixing and sampling-once viewed as derivative at best and illegal at worst-has grown widespread in music, film, television and fine art. Mash-ups are no longer just kitschy parodies. Literary writers like Colson Whitehead
have experimented with horor and science-fiction themes. A zombie-infused Regency romance doesn't sound so ludicrous in today's mash-up rich environment.
In the entertainment business, which often views writers as interchangeable, Mr. Grahame-Smith has branded himself as a one-man factory for quirky, high-concept, multimedia franchises. Film studios see the built-in fan base from his books as a boon, while publishers see him as that rare commodity-an author with Hollywood ties, capable of engineering his own big-budget film adaptations.
"You hope and pray that any book you do gets made into a film, and here's a guy who's doing it himself from top to bottom," says Ben Greenberg, executive editor of Grand Central Publishing, which will publish "Unholy Night" on Tuesday.
Mr. Grahame-Smith wrote "Unholy Night" late at night on his MacBook Air, in hotel rooms and on airplanes and during breaks on movie sets. Like his previous best sellers, it presents a familiar story with a subversive twist. In his retelling, the fabled three wise men, who visited the infant Jesus with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh, are not sages but thieves who escaped prison by posing as holy men. Pursued by the Roman army and King Herod's forces, they hide in a stable and run into Mary, Joseph and the newborn Jesus. The thieves become the unlikely heroes and protectors of the holy family as they all flee to Egypt, fighting off an evil wizard and a zombie horde along the way.
The book contains a clear blueprint for the movie. Mr. Grahame-Smith crafted it from the beginning as a book-to-film franchise, building in a cinematic, three-act story arc, a central hero and villain and carefully timed dramatic twists that he refers to as "beats," in screenwriter's parlance. He listened to movie scores from "The Mummy" and "The Lord of the Rings" while he wrote it.
The novel probably won't win over critics who regard Mr. Grahame-Smith as a literary parasite whose sole talent consists of taking existing stories and tossing in monsters and gore. But it's a pivot away from "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies," which Mr. Grahame-Smith created by grafting zombie scenes into Jane Austen's text. With "Unholy Night," a fully invented tale based on enigmatic biblical figures, Mr. Grahame-Smith aims to prove that he is more than just a mash-up artist.
"I don't want to be the guy who turns out the light in the genre-blending room," he says.
At 10:30 on a Tuesday morning, Mr. Grahame-Smith already seems exhausted. He's slumped at a large desk at KatzSmith Productions, the company he co-founded last year with his close friend and collaborator David Katzenberg, son of DreamWorks Aniingtion CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg.Stifling a yawn, he dashes off emails while finishing a new voice-over script for Johnny Depp to read in the coming movie "Dark Shadows," a soapy vampire saga based on a cult 1960s TV show. He emails the script to filmmaker Tim Burton, who's in London finishing the film. He pauses to check a text from his wife, who's home with their toddler son in Culver City, asking what time he'll be back.
Mr. Grahame-Smith's Beverly Hills office looks a bit like an adolescent boy's bedroom, except that it's immaculately clean. A blue electric guitar leans against the wall. An Abraham Lincoln bobblehead and a tiny oen coffin-a gift from Mr. Depp-decorate the desk. The bookshelf holds first-editions of Stephen King, Mr. Grahame-Smith's literary hero. Movie posters for Beetlejtuce" and "The Shining" line the walls.
His campy, juvenile sensibility infects the company. Mr. Grahame-Smith and Mr. Katzenberg, 29, fly a remote control helicopter around the office and ride motorcycles to work together. They met in 2007 at CBS, where they co-produced a short-lived Web TV show. They joke around throughout the day, taunting each other through their open doors. Occasionally, a good barb will make it into a script.
Their goofy banter masks a carefully calibrated business relationship. Mr. Katzenberg handles much of the Byzantine diplomatic work that comes with making movies-coddling agents and gently delivering bad news. The pair has leaned on Mr. Katzenberg's Hollywood pedigree and connections-Mr. Grahame-Smith unabashedly praises the perks of his partner's Rolodex-to get meetings with producers and actors. They regularly meet with stars like Cameron Diaz, Jack Black and Charlize Theron. Mr. Grahame-Smith, meanwhile, oversees writing projects and bnngs a stream of over-the-top story ideas. "I don't know how his messed up head works," Mr. Katzenberg says of his friend.
Mr. Grahame-Smith's first goal was to shepherd his own book-to-film projects. He's since developed bigger ambitions. KatzSmith has been snapping up scripts by other writers, optioning literary works and developing remakes and sequels to popular films. Last summer, they signed a two-year producing deal with Warner Bros., which gives the studio a first look at projects; in exchange, the studio pays heat and salaries for KatzSmith. So far, Warner has bought four of the movies that KatzSmith has pitched them-including two that Mr. Grahame-Smith is writing-an unusually high hit rate, says Greg Silverman, the studio's president of production. The projects span the genre gamut from comedies to horror, but share a sly, irreverent sort of humor that pokes fun at cinematic formulas. "They always put a new twist on it," says Mr. Silverman. "They respect the form, but they also subvert and disrupt the form."
A little before 11 a.m., Mr. Grahame-Smith joins Mr. Katzenberg and Jay Ireland, the company's vice president of development, in a conference room to get status updates on some film and television projects. A crowded whiteboard lists 15 projects, ranging from an adaptation of a young-adult novel to a remake of the Stephen King novel "IT."
Ms. Ireland starts at the top of the board with "Murders and Acquisitions," a dark comedy set in the world of high finance. The screenwriter, Jonathan Stokes, will deliver a draft in a few weeks, she says. She skips over "Beetlejuice 2," a sequel to the 1980s cult film starring Michael Keaton. "Nothing to do there," she says. Then she gets to "The Scorpio Races," a best-selling young-adult fantasy novel by Maggie Stiefvater, which Warner Bros. optioned for KatzSmith to develop. Mr. Grahame-Smith's head snaps up from his iPhone.
"We don't have a f--- writer," he says, glancing at a list of screenwriters. "There are 1,000 A-list writers in this town, and we've talked to eight of them."
"Is Charlie Kaufman on that list?" Ms. Ireland asks.
"No, but that's a good idea," Mr. Grahame-Smith says.
Ms. Ireland mentions that a writer recently pitched a horror movie for KatzSmith to produce. "It's got that zombie thing," she says.
"Pass," Mr. Grahame-Smith says.
"You don't want to do any more mash-ups," Ms. Ireland says.
They quickly run through the remaining projects: "Rolling With Dad," an animated TV series starring a Stephen Hawking-like genius as a suburban dad, which Mr. Grahame-Smith and Mr. Katzenberg created for the cable network Adult Swim; "Extra Curricular," a TV show for ABC Family about high-school students who develop superpowers after a chemistry-lab explosion; "Fire Teddy," a comedy about an office drone who befriends the man he's supposed to fire, which they sent to the actor Jack Black; and "Alive in Necropolis," a feature film based on a noirish detective novel set in a city of graves. Finally, they get to "Night of the Living," a stop-animation monster movie that Mr. Grahame-Smith is writing and co-producing with Mr. Katzenberg and Mr. Burton.
"You need to write 'Night of the Living,'" Ms. Ireland says firmly.
"When?" Mr. Grahame-Smith protests, gesturing at the full whiteboard.
Then Mr. Grahame-Smith and Mr. Katzenberg begin arguing again about who they should hire to write "The Scorpio Races." Ms. Ireland fails silent, exasperated.
"Look at her face!" Mr. Grahame-Smith says gleefully. "She wants to kill us. And then kill herself."
He hustles out of the meeting, cursing quietly at his buzzing phone. He climbs into his Prius and drives to a bland office building to meet with director Timur Bekmambetov, who directed the 2008 Angelina Jolie film "Wanted." For the next hour, they pore over footage from "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter," studying a few action sequences that need more dialogue. Mr. Grahame-Smith jots down lines that give the grunting, snarling vampires more personality. He scribbles furiously, filling up five pages of a black leather notebook that he carries everywhere. He promises to send the lines the next day. Then he rushes to a lunch meeting to discuss a possible scriptwriting project for Johnny Depp's production company. He reluctantly turns down the offer, citing an overbooked writing schedule.
Mr. Grahame-Smith never set out to be a novelist. As a kid growing up in Connecticut's Fairfield County, he was a theater geek with an asymmetrical skater haircut and a bedroom full of Stephen King and Dean Koontz novels. His mother edited books for a small publisher; his stepfather was a rare-books dealer who kept a library of 5,000 titles in their basement. Mr. Grahame-Smith dreamed of making movies like "E.T." and "The Goonies."
He studied film at Emerson College and moved to Los Angeles after graduating in 1998, with no job. He found work as an assistant at a television production company specializing in home-and-garden and history shows. Most days, he made coffee and delivered dry cleaning. At night, he wrote film and TV spec scripts and queried agents. He left the ne6twork after five years to devote himself to screenwriting. To pay his rent, he got a job as a contract writer for Quirk Books, an independent publisher in Philadelphia. He wrote novelty books such as "The Spider-Man Handbook" and "How to Survive a Horror Movie," for advances of $5,000 to $10,000.
"Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" was his editor's idea. Mr. Grahame-Smith dashed it off in six weeks, and Quirk printed just 10,000 copies. They sold out immediately and Quirk went on to print more than a million. The book debuted high on the best-seller lists, launching Mr. Grahame-Smith virtually overnight as an internationally best-selling author. Suddenly, publishers and producers were chasing him.
He sold his next book, "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter," to Grand Central for $560,000 as part of a two-book deal in 2009. When "Abraham Lincoln" hit the best-seller list (and earned the praise of renowned Lincoln scholar Doris Kearns Goodwin), Mr. Grahame-Smith renegotiated his book contract. For his next two books, he'll receive an advance in the mid-seven figures. He's planning a follow-up to "Abraham Lincoln" for his next novel, focusing on the vampire character Henry Sturges. He wants to write it like a police procedural, and has been reading novels by the best-selling crime writer Michael Connelly to study the genre.
Mr. Grahame-Smith ascended the ranks of Hollywood quickly, gaining leverage with studios and producers after more than a decade of trying to break in. Tim Burton optioned the movie rights to "Abraham Lincoln" for $15,000 based on an outline for the novel and hired Mr. Grahame-Smith to write the screenplay. Mr. Burton liked Mr. Grahame-Smith's work so much that he hired him to rewrite his gothic movie "Dark Shadows," starring Johnny Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer.
Mr. Zanuck, the producer, says he was surprised when Mr. Burton replaced his longtime scribe, John August, with Mr. Grahame-Smith. "At that time, nobody had heard of him," he says. Within a few months, Mr. Grahame-Smith completely restructured and rewrote the screenplay, injecting it with campy humor that plays up the film's absurd premise: Barnabas Collins, a vampire played by Mr. Depp, emerges from a coffin after 200 years to find himself in the polyester, lava-lamp world of 1972.
As a sign of how far his stock has risen, Mr. Grahame-Smith sold rights to his new novel, "Unholy Night," to Warner Bros. for $400,000, and got an additional $1.5 million to write the screenplay. "Harry Potter" producer David Heyman has signed on to co-produce the project with KatzSmith.
Mr. Grahame-Smith now feels he's in a precarious position: sought-after, buoyed by hype but still unproven in the metric that matters most—box-office returns. He fears he'll quickly fall out of favor if his coming movies tank or his next screenplay lands flat.
"This business is so fickle," he says. "Writers come and go. Heat comes and goes."
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MB I click on the download feature and my browser Windows 7 IE plays it in my browser.
Not that I doubted you, but I just wanted to see what's happening with IE for myself, and the sound is most definitely delayed. Yet, as I said, it isn't like that with the actual file, so I have no idea why it's happening with IE. And I also notice that with IE apparently you can't download the file unless you pay for QuickTime Pro. IE really has people coming and going. [easter_rolleyes]
About all I can suggest is that if anyone using IE wants to see/download a version where the sound is not off, the best thing to do would be to access the post using a browser other than IE...
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Yes I have learned that IE is very problematic at times. I tried viewing it in Chrome and the link sent me to a blank page. It could just very well be my computer. In any event the visuals are great. Thanks.
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I don't really see any downside for DS with The Dictator moving. It can only help, or at worst it won't make a difference. I do think that The Avengers is going to be a MAJOR box office draw, so don't be too disappointed it if holds onto the #1 spot its second week, over DS (As an example, see how The Hunger Games is still holding on to #1 in its 3rd week). That said, hopefully a lot of moviegoers who will have seen The Avengers in its first week will be ready for something different the following week, and will choose to see DS! [easter_smiley]
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Many thanks for transcribing that, MB. It was quite informative.
This is an interesting part of WB's viral campaign...
http://moonbeam13.deviantart.com/journal/Dark-Shadows-The-Barnabas-Portrait-Project-295136507?roi=echo2-7151765039-1662770-337698c622c883985254a2cf85b8f6c7&utm_source=EMC&utm_medium=main_cta&utm_campaign=040912_ADS_DarkShadows
Plus the prizes include unnamed DS merchandise... I hope we get to see some of it soon!
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When you watch it in HD via Quicktime, the lines are opening. She's cracking or something.
Phil, I watched the HD 2 minute spot again in 1920X1080 (high res courtesy of MB) and all I'm seeing on Angelique's face is the appearance of bulging lines with no opening up.
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It's really odd, and I wonder what it means exactly. They aren't cuts... I am more fascinated than ever.
Furthermore, I'd like to add that this blog post is making the rounds:
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2012/04/revised_beetlej.php
I certainly hope it's true. It would seem to solidify what everyone involved has been saying.
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I sure hope it's true too. How do you see "almost all" of a movie, lol?
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Not entirely sure... [easter_grin] It's one of those things that make you go... [scratch2]
But I know some people who work in the industry who get to sit in on films while they are still being edited (even when they aren't part of the project). Perhaps this is a similar case... which gives me an idea.
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Posting Twitter pics for Nancy...
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for Nancy...
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Nancy's
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Nancy's
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Great photo, Nancy - thanks for sharing. [easter_cheesy]
And thanks for posting the two links, Cousin_Barnabas. Seems like there are all sorts of promotions and tie ins for the film between taking photos in the chair and now creating a Barnabas portrait, and the nail polish and makeup. Who knows what might be next? [easter_wink]
And it's great to read that Michelle Pfeiffer might be doing her strongest work in years. Though if what we suspect about the relationship between Barnabas and Liz turns out to be true, I can easily see how it could be possible, chiefly because Liz should be front and center in a lot of the plot.
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Oops - I didn't see the photos of the posters before posting the above. Thanks so much for sharing those as well, Nancy. [easter_smiley]
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I sure hope it's true too. How do you see "almost all" of a movie, lol?
Well, maybe he saw one of the screenings, and considered it "almost all" knowing there would probably be some minor changes/edits/score additions, etc. Or as said it could've been watching stuff in the editing room. That was a great blog post- promising words, indeed.
Great pics, Nancy, thanks! [easter_cool]
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Thanks, Midnite. I wanted to share photos I took of the DS film publicity at the local movie theater where I saw "Wrath of the Titans" over the weekend. I saw the DS trailer there too.
Nancy
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It seems as if Chloe Moretz has a cover interview in the May issue of Seventeen:
Chloe Moretz Cover 'Seventeen' May 2012 Issue (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/10/justin-bieber-chloe-moret_n_1414794.html)
And considering the timing, somehow I think the DS film will come up in it. [easter_wink]
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Just got this tweet of my phone:
gkfilms @gkfilms
RT @ThePlaylist: New Looks At Johnny Depp, Eva Green, Helena Bonham Carter & More In #DarkShadows http://dlvr.it/1QkDyB
12:33 PM - 11 Apr 12
I think we've already seen some of them - but not at the size The Playlist has them. Though it's always great when Victoria is actually included. And I LOVE the expression on Roger's face! [easter_grin]
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(Less than 30 days! [hello])
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Actually, it's funny you should bring up the woman in that screen cap because this morning I've been wondering if the actress is possibly the infamous Hannah "Hippe chick" Murray of Twitter/Internet frenzy fame? It sort of looks like her - but it's really hard to be sure.
Aha, I knew this gal had been mentioned here! I had a when-worlds-collide moment just now! I'd been reading a discussion about Game Of Thrones, and someone mentioned that 2 actors who had been on the British TV show Skins were in last week's episode. Being unfamiliar with Skins, I went to check out who they were talking about. Well, one of them was none other than our friend Hannah Murray, and she played Gilly on Game Of Thrones! And of course, DS is still on her filmography list as "hippie chick". Very cool! (For those of you who watch GoT, Gilly is one of the many daughter-wives of that guy in the North, who was pregnant and asked for Samwell and Jon's help. I should've paid more attention to her but will next week- I assume she'll be on again).
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Vanity Fair strikes again! The May issue has a brief but interesting interview with Bella Heathcote. Nice picture of her as well. [easter_cheesy]
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Vicki really has a Maggie Evans look in that shot of her standing at the bottom of the grand staircase (from the "Playlist" website mentioned a few posts above). I hadn't really noticed this before, but I am definitely noticing it now. So are we sure that her previous employment prior to her arrival at the Great House wasn't that of a waitress at the Collinsport Inn?
I also hadn't noticed that they seem to have copied the great clock, or at least one of the caryatid ornaments from the clock, for the set decor.
G.
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Yes, I think they did a nice job of combining Maggie and Vicki. Because, imo, that is really what needed to be done. Vicki was the catalyst for the show, but Maggie was the one who resembled Josette (and actually became wildly popular for that). But since her name is Vicki, I'd rather she be an orphan. We will see...
Oh, and I am not promising anything, but I have sent some feelers out in Hollywood. I know someone who knows people who have worked on the film (Yeah... that sounds legitimate, right?) and she is going to see if she can get any info from them. Hopefully it pans out. If it does, that will be great. If not... at least I tried.
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Just got this tweet of my phone:
http://dlvr.it/1QkDyB
Okay, is that David Selby in his cameo role as the man holding a champagne glass behind Michelle/Elizabeth?
Gerard
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Sure looks like him!
And thanks for the link, MB!
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the picture of bella in 'vanity fair' is darling. nice to see her get a plug in terms of DS even though the piece does not get into detail on the film other than she's in it. i don't know who miss heathcote's publicist/agent are but they're certainly not promoting her much here.
gothic in terms of the "waitress" thing if i'm recalling in all the hazy rumors that have ebbed and flowed in regards to the film it seems there was a mention somewhere of the traditional arrival-by-train setup for vicki.
and there is still the mystery of the "young victoria" casting(alexia osborne)so i'm guessing the orphan situation is still an element of the character.
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Okay, is that David Selby in his cameo role as the man holding a champagne glass behind Michelle/Elizabeth?
Yep. [easter_grin]
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Three words which - together - are not going to make people happy: Comic. Horror. Violence. Now say that without periods, and there you have one of the MPAA's descriptions of the film.
http://www.gofobo.com/movie/dark_shadows_0
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But why aren't we going to be happy? We already know that.
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I didn't say we. I said people. As far as I know, we here at DSF are a species far more powerful than just ordinary people. [easter_wink]
But in all seriousness, I was referring to people who were hoping for the violence to be more serious and horror-filled, and not comic. I, myself, don't know what comic horror violence is... But I guess I am going to find out - and then I can decide afterwards if I like it!
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If the scene of Barnabas attacking the construction crew is an example, I think we might have nothing to worry about. [easter_wink]
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That is what I was thinking of, as well as the whole battle with Angelique. I didn't say anything comic about either. So maybe the MPAA is just warped. [easter_wink]
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I was just scanning through last night's edition of Entertaiment Tonight, and while someone from Entertainment Weekly was doing a segment (about on the bubble TV shows) I learned the upcoming issue will be the Summer Movie Preview, which, of course, means DS will be a part of it. Sadly, though, The Dark Knight Rises is the cover - and not DS - but I suppose that's more than understandable.
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Okay, is that David Selby in his cameo role as the man holding a champagne glass behind Michelle/Elizabeth?
Yep. [easter_grin]
And Lara Parker's hand holding the other glass. [easter_wink]
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So maybe the MPAA is just warped. [easter_wink]
Well, doesn't that go without saying? [easter_rolleyes]
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[pointing-up]
[rofl10]
Rated PG “for fantasy action/violence involving scary images and situations, and for a smoking caterpillar.”
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Twilight for adults: Johnny Depp tries to ditch his sex symbol status as new images are revealed of his sinister Dark Shadows make-over (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2128546/Johnny-Depp-tries-ditch-sex-symbol-status-new-images-revealed-sinister-Dark-Shadows-make-over.html)
(Thanks to Gothick for pointing me to this. [easter_smiley])
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Here's the Dark Shadows part in the EW Summer Preview issue:
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/articles/ewsumerpreview2012.html
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Twilight for adults: Johnny Depp tries to ditch his sex symbol status as new images are revealed of his sinister Dark Shadows make-over (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2128546/Johnny-Depp-tries-ditch-sex-symbol-status-new-images-revealed-sinister-Dark-Shadows-make-over.html)
What's with all the reference to Twilight? Is the person who wrote this 20 years old? It's like, if it has to do with vampires, then it's a variation on Twilight. The shallowness of some people's cultural knowledge is breathtaking...
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KMR, that article is a typical example of the UK Daily Mail's stripe of "journalism" (read: hack phrase-making pandering to the absolutely rock-bottom lowest market denominator). My friends always refer to the rag as the "Daily Fail."
Some people do read the thing regularly for the tacky camp entertainment value. The typical Fail piece is a lurid description of some troubled pop-tart with a name like Britney, JayHo or Tina on a major drugs and drink bender, illustrated with paparazzi snaps of the celeb looking like death warmed over with anatomical parts hanging out of minimal clothing and badly misplaced makeup.
At least the photos in the DS puff piece are decent.
G.
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Caught a glimpse of a poster promoting the Dark Shadows on the side of a city bus in manhattan! Haven't seen it on any garbage cans yet which apparently is a sign that you've really made it. [easter_grin] [easter_grin]
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At least the photos in the DS puff piece are decent.
The photos are what sold the article. [easter_wink]
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Some of the Deviant Art Barnabas Art Project submissions so far: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2012/darkshadows/?order=5
And another from which the above link originated: http://www.rachaelrossman.com/2012/04/12/dark-shadows/
Thanks CB for the EW article.
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Spoke too soon. There was an enormous movie poster by the Marriott Marquis.
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Wow. "the Barnabas Collins character is the property of Warner Brothers."
So much for the days of "this has been a Dan Curtis Production."
G.
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Wow is right. And, as far as I know, that is simply not true.
They may own the makeup and this particular likeness, this version of the character, but they do not own the character of Barnabas Collins. If that were true, the comics and other things would have to be licensed through them - which is not going to happen.
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entertainment tonight has not had much coverage on the ds movie. they had a report on the vanity fair issue but nothing since. extra showed the trailer the same day it was on ellen but et has yet to show it. i guess its somewhat understandable since extra is owned by warner bros.
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And what is really odd about the EW article (Thanks for sharing, Sara Monster!) is that it mentions Bella in the list of stars, but leaves out Eva! This is getting strange.
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This month's GAMEINFORMER, had a mention of the upcoming DS film. This magazine, catering to the video gamers of the world, has most of its readership between 16-30ish.
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It could turn out to be wrong, but my impression during shooting and especially since is that with all the secrecy surrounding shooting, the US entertainment shows like Access Hollywood, ET and even Extra possibly weren't allowed on set to do interviews and to videotape behind the scenes footage. The only stuff they may be getting is what Warner Brothers supplies them - and it may turn out to be the case that Warner Brothers won't be supplying anything else until May 11th gets closer.
I suppose we'll see...
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Thank you cousin Sara Monster for the EW article. Sorry about my previous miscredit post.
Another optimistic writer. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/entertainment/video-movie-trailer-%E2%80%98dark-shadows%E2%80%99-starring-johnny-depp
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And what is really odd about the EW article (Thanks for sharing, Sara Monster!) is that it mentions Bella in the list of stars, but leaves out Eva! This is getting strange.
i don't think it's that strange really...
there are nine principle characters in this thing. usually only three or four get listed in each piece. true it's generally depp, green and pfieffer but this doesn't strike me as too odd.
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Is WB going to expand winning screenings of the movie to other states like in Austin? http://www.redcarpetcrash.com/2012/04/13/austin-win-passes-to-the-rcc-screening-of-dark-shadows/
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Another promising interview with SGS-near bottom of article. http://www.theinsider.com/movies/51365_Seth_Grahame_Smith_Talks_Dark_Shadows_Unholy_Night/
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Sorry for the tri-post but there is a new review of the movie at aintitcool website that appears to be spoiler free. I'm unable to use my mobile to provide the link for some reason.
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Barnabas Collins Billboard at 23rd Street and Park Avenue
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93779577@N00/6926262158/
If you click on the link you can see more (and better) pictures...These pictures were NOT taken by me, so thanks to the photographer
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I read the review Jimbo mentioned. No direct link but it's on this site:
http://www.aintitcool.com/
Although it is technically spoiler free, it *is* a review of the movie.Depp, Pfeiffer, and Moretz all get high marks.
It seems as if the characters of Angelique and the original-concept Burke Devlin have been combined here, interestingly. Angelique is described as a "literal witch" who "uses boardrooms as her cauldrons."
cheers, G.
[Direct link to the article: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54989 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54989) --admin]
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Okay, is that David Selby in his cameo role as the man holding a champagne glass behind Michelle/Elizabeth?
Yep. [easter_grin]
And Lara Parker's hand holding the other glass. [easter_wink]
Well, humph. Just how did they rangle an invitation to a Collins party, with free champagne flowing no less? (And notice those just ain't the plastic glasses with the stems pushed into the bases - they're the real thing!) Just who do you hafta schmooze with around here to get an invite, that's what I'd like to know!
Gerard
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It seems as if the characters of Angelique and the original-concept Burke Devlin have been combined here, interestingly. Angelique is described as a "literal witch" who "uses boardrooms as her cauldrons."
Ah-ha! I said in an earlier post that, from the trailer, it looks like the characters of Angelique and Burke were combined. I thought that was brilliant on the part of Burton (or whoever), if it was intentional, appearing that someone did their homework.
Gerard
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Jimbo, Gothic, and others -- that review is amazing. Please, let it be accurate. Wouldn't it be wonderful, if the film really is that great? I'm a little tired of hearing one story (it's funny), and then another (it's scarey) -- sorta feels like getting jerked around, albeit unintentionally. I can't wait to see the film, and I want to have confidence that it is good. I don't want to walk into the cinema with a feeling of dread. Thanks for sharing the review.
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I was just watching Beetlejuice and I never thought of it before but Winona Ryder has Barnabas bangs in it.
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I was just glancing over the new issue of EW and I see that the photo of Barn and Liz is featured on the Summer Movie Calendar - and that Chloe Moretz has not one but two films opening on May 11th: DS, of course, and Hick (which premiered in Canada at the Toronto International Film Festival back in September) in limited release and VOD.
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Thanks neiljohnson, Gothick and the board. That was the most promising review to date. I am tired as well of all the mixed signals we have been getting. I certainly hope its accurate. My heart can only take so much. I just wonder what took him so long to write his review. Perhaps there were more test screening we are unaware of.
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Interestingly, this Web site is saying that the 1st 60 second TV spot is the UK trailer for the film:
UK Trailer For Dark Shadows – Not Quite Confessions Of A Witch’s Lover, But Getting There (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/12/uk-trailer-for-dark-shadows-not-quite-confessions-of-witchs-lover-but-getting-there/)
And the voiceover at the end does at least reveal that what they have is a UK version.
They also believe DS "is going to play (even) better in the UK than the US" - and who knows - that may turn out to be true...
And speaking of the 1st 60 second TV spot, I haven't forgotten about continuing to post better quality videos of the remaining spots. It's just that for the past three days I'd been pet sitting for a friend who went out of town and I didn't have an opportunity to continue to post such videos. But I'm back home now, so something will probably show up this weekend...
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I just wonder what took him so long to write his review. Perhaps there were more test screening we are unaware of.
Or perhaps he attended a press screening? Those will certainly begin very soon if they haven't already. Though if that is the case, his review would actually be jumping the gun rather than being late because it's pretty early to be posting reviews...
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Reviewers are usually embargoed from giving reviews until a certain agreed-upon date, usually around the time of the film premiere. Sometimes the embargoes get broken, and I'm not sure what the penalties are for that. Sometimes, I imagine the studio would refuse to let the ones who broke them attend future advance screenings. But sometimes, a major site breaking the embargo (especially if it's a positive review) creates so much MORE buzz for a film that I start to think it's kinda sorta accidentally on purpose publicity [easter_grin] In this case, ain't it cool probably skirts it a little by trying to pass it off as more of a description than a formal review (and it doesn't hurt that it's very positive- I know that I myself am thrilled by what I read!) But they probably don't want to start doing this TOO early!
I saw on the JD Zone that the actual press event for DS will take place May 5-6, and the premiere is at Grauman's on the 7th.
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gosh remember just about two months ago we were complaining that there had been NO publicity for this thing?
we were just going on a half dozen or so stills.
my how things have changed... [easter_shocked]
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the 1st 60 second TV spot is the UK trailer for the film
I just saw where Stuart's DS News Blog is saying that the UK promotional campaign has just begun with the unveiling of that trailer, so that would pretty much prove it's true since, unlike most of us, Stuart would be in a position to know. [easter_wink]
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Yet another magazine article, this one is the June 2012 of Sci Fi. The article doesn't really cover any new ground but there is a very intriguing picture of Michele Pfeiffer holding a shotgun. Guess it's more effective than a fire poker. [easter_shocked] [easter_grin]
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Thanks so much for the heads up. [easter_smiley] And -
Michele Pfeiffer holding a shotgun. Guess it's more effective than a fire poker. [easter_shocked] [easter_grin]
- yes, indeed. [easter_cheesy]
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Considering that the first time around I posted screen captures from the YouTube video, here are the first 5 1920x1080 high resolution screen captures from the new stuff in the first 60 second TV spot (some will be similar to what was originally posted - some will be a bit different - but it's not likely any will be exactly the same because it would be next to impossible for me to pick the same frame):
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000366.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #366 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000366.jpg)
(Notice how Barn's left eye in the painting is bleeding.)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000382.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #382 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000382.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000624.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #624 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000624.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000652.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #652 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000652.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000668.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #668 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000668.jpg)
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5 more high resolution screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000792.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #792 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A000792.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001048.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1048 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001048.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001124.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1124 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001124.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001166.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1166 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001166.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001178.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1178 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001178.jpg)
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5 more high resolution screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001231.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1231 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001231.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001348.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1348 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001348.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001426.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1426 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001426.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001456.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1456 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001456.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001507.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1507 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001507.jpg)
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4 more high resolution screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001510.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1510 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001510.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001534.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1534 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001534.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001558.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1558 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001558.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001574.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1574 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001574.jpg)
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And the final 4 high resolution screen captures:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001684.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1684 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001684.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001728.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1728 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001728.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001750.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1750 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001750.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001801.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1801 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/5A001801.jpg)
And here's the link for the video:
2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament_2012_03_31_20_30_01.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament_2012_03_31_20_30_01.mp4) (30.4MB)
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The first time around I didn't realize that Captures #1558 and #1801 were new to the TV spot. But what's most interesting about #1801 is that -
the 1st 60 second TV spot is the UK trailer for the film
- I was a bit off in that I noticed today that that shot of Barnabas' hand against the glass is not in the UK version. And heavens only knows why because it's hardly shocking and certainly not as racy as some might consider the shot of Barnabas seen between Angelque's legs, which appears in that German trailer but not in the US version.
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Wonderful captures MB. You do a tremendous job and it is immensely appreciated.
Fyi SGS tweeted about a half ago that the info at imdb pertaining to Christopher Lee is not right. Interesting.
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So much! I have been so busy with work that I have just now caught up on it all. But wow... Thank you everyone for keeping the information coming! Fantastic work!
MB, I have had the Willie/Mrs. Johnson image as my desktop background for awhile now, but I am definitely going to use "The Legend Bites Back" capture. I love it!
The Ain't It Cool article is so welcome! I really hope that is the case. I have heard from someone else that this film is definitely like Sleepy Hollow - a good amount of comedy thrown into an otherwise dreary story and setting.
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Thanks so much for your hard work, MB! #1510 is classic! [easter_cool]
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I feel we need to have a discussion in regards to Vicki's suitcase... [easter_wink]
http://www.continental-film.sk/temne_tiene/images/dsh-00045g.jpg
From:
http://continental-film.sk/sk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1051
In addition, Shadows teams up with the Blood Bank...
http://www.redcrossblood.org/darkshadows
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Some great new photos (so, now we obviously know where Barnabas' 1972 fortune comes from [easter_cheesy]) - and it's about time that Victoria finally shows up in more and more of them. Thanks so much for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [easter_smiley]
And how is it that DS never did a major tie-in with the Red Cross before this? It's a perfect match. [easter_wink]
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OMG...
vicki is totally carrying the OS blue "ingenue suitcase".
whenever one of the OS young ladies traveled she did so with the same tiny blue suitcase. what a lovely and thoughtful nod to OS continuity!
love it! [easter_kiss]
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I knew it would be appreciated.
Plus, on Twitter, SGS just shared that Bob Cobert's theme is in the score... Apparently he thought it was in the online samples? Interesting. (It's in the thread that Jimbo linked to. Stuart and others are in the conversation.)
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It looks as if Carolyn has an issue of 16 magazine under the sofa in one of the photos with her and David. Another nice nod to ye olde days if so.
G.
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And how is it that DS never did a major tie-in with the Red Cross before this? It's a perfect match. [easter_wink]
Jonathan Frid did a public service announcement for a Red Cross blood drive during the show's original run. I saw it several times back then. I'm not sure but it may have only aired in the NYC area. [easter_huh] [easter_evil]
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Interesting Twitter conversation about the original theme. A part of me hopes it will be used. Though I honestly find this DS film conversation involving EW's Anthony Breznican that I just came across on Twitter to be even more interesting:
Anthony Breznican @Breznican
I've seen final cut of Dark Shadows. Tone similar to Burton and Depp's Sleepy Hollow - lots of humor, but with menacing, atmospheric edge.
1:56 PM - 14 Apr 12
Josh Spiegel @mousterpiece
@Breznican: I wonder, then, why the ads emphasize the humor. Those ads don't give off a Sleepy Hollow vibe at all.
2:01 PM - 14 Apr 12
Anthony Breznican @Breznican
@mousterpiece Sleepy Hollow had a LOT of humor, though.
2:15 PM - 14 Apr 12
Timothy Dowling @TimothyDowling
@Breznican good?
2:16 PM - 14 Apr 12
Anthony Breznican @Breznican
In Dark Shadows, there's an absurdist bent to the monster element. The creatures of the night are adrift in the self-obsessed world of 1970s
2:17 PM - 14 Apr 12
Jrmes @jrmes
@Breznican So on a scale of 1-10 where are you rating the film? #DarkShadows
2:20 PM - 14 Apr 12
Anthony Breznican @Breznican
In typical Burton fashion, humans are scarier than the fiends. If u want Interview w the Vampire, that movie exists. This is a more wry take
2:21 PM - 14 Apr 12
Anthony Breznican @Breznican
@TimothyDowling Yes, w qualifier. You won't think it's good if you want somber, serious scares. But if you like Buffy, you'll like this.
2:24 PM - 14 Apr 12
Anthony Breznican @Breznican
@jrmes I can't rate 1-10. That's @EW critics' job. I'm just reporting the movie's vibe, since people are curious.
2:27 PM - 14 Apr 12
Anthony Breznican @Breznican
Also, if you dig screenwriter @sethgs style w Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter & P+P+Z then Dark Shadows will be to your liking, too.
2:32 PM - 14 Apr 12
Tone similar to Sleepy Hollow, with humor and a menacing, atmospheric edge - sounds good to me. And the fact that Breznican has seen the final cut would seem to confirm our suspicions that some in the press have indeed already seen the finished film...
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Interesting indeed. Doesn't totally jibe with the new AICN review (Though, it jibes enough to make me still believe the AICN review), but it seems to work as a balance between it and the first AICN review. It's interesting just how many perceptions there are about this film from those who have seen it.
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Something to keep in mind is that humor can be subjective. For example, I loved Sleepy Hollow and I found parts to be quite humorous - but unlike Breznican, I wouldn't say that I thought it had "a LOT of humor." Perhaps it's because I might have taken some of the situations more seriously and seen less of a degree of humor than he did. Who knows? Though I suspect different people will see the situations in the DS film differently as well. And that can easily explain the AICN review.
Fyi SGS tweeted about a half ago that the info at imdb pertaining to Christopher Lee is not right. Interesting.
I found Seth Grahame-Smith's comments to be quite interesting:
Seth Grahame-Smith @sethgs
I'm not saying who Christopher Lee plays in DARK SHADOWS, but it's not who imdb would have us believe.
7:27 PM - 14 Apr 12
Seth Grahame-Smith @sethgs
@J_J_Moore Empire's description is right, but the (understandable) jump to Malloy isn't.
10:00 PM - 14 Apr 12
Imagine that - IMDb jumping to conclusions and not getting its info right. Shocking! Just shocking! ... Yeah, right! [easter_rolleyes] How often have we said that IMDb is hardly a definitive source, and at best it's smart to take what's said over there with a grain of salt unless/until it's proven true? I suspect more times than any of us can count or care to remember...
Though one thing that gaffe should definitely tell us is that whoever is maintaining the DS film's IMDb listing is not actually connected to the film or else Lee's character would never have been identified as Bill Malloy...
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I am so beyond excited about the AIN'T THAT COOL article and the nod to we get with 16 magazine and the blue suitcase. I really think that this movie is going to be great and I feel once people see it they will truly for the most part be happy with it. There is one thing in the movie that I accidentally found out that makes me sad; however, I can deal with it. As long as we get some great sequels and the movie does well I am happy!
Cannot beleive it's only 25 days. I remember how giddy I was when it was announced in 2007 about DS. All of the time we have waited and watched and listend will culminate on May 11! Looking so forward to it! :)
T
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i'm slightly saddened that lee is not playing bill malloy.
it would have been a nice nod to the series' early days. [easter_sad]
and he's been listed on various sites as malloy for at least six months. strange that now all of a sudden someone corrects that.
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I believe the Italian trailer has minute new footage; you can see David more defined when Barnabas saves him; you can see Angelique appear to gesticulate her powers to the mirror ball; and some other angles of Angelique and Barnabas mostly after the 1:30 mark. There are so many trailers now its hard to keep track of all the different footages. http://anteprimatrailer.com/dark-shadows-2012-trailer-italiano.html
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Oooo - a new trailer to check out! If there's anything new - and there would certainly seem to be from your description, I will certainly post some caps. Thanks for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
Also, I came across this several days ago when I didn't really have the time to post the link - but then I forgot all about it until today. Oops! [ghost_embarrassed]
In Defense Of: Tim Burton’s “DARK SHADOWS” (http://famousmonstersoffilmland.com/2012/04/10/in-defense-of-tim-burtons-dark-shadows/)
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I agree with you, MB. I love SLEEPY HOLLOW and even own a copy of it. There were several naturally funny moments in it, again, driven by the character and the situation (such as when the Depp character first sees the Headless Horseman) that work with the story rather than detract from it. That is what I am expecting to see in this DS film.
Something to keep in mind is that humor can be subjective. For example, I loved Sleepy Hollow and I found parts to be quite humorous - but unlike Breznican, I wouldn't say that I thought it had "a LOT of humor."
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A few months back I picked up the Blu-ray of Sleepy Hollow for the ridiculously low price of $4.99 (and because it has features not on the DVD), but I haven't gotten around to watching it. But with all this new talk about it in connection to the DS film, I probably should watch it sooner rather than later.
And I checked out the Italian trailer. I see the shot of Barnabas through Angelique's opened legs is in it, too - and there may be one or two other things. I need to compare it to our version to be sure...
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Thanks for all your hard work, MB! You are truly a Benefactor!
That's a great story! I know that in one of the hospital scenes, there's a poster that exhorts us to "Give Blood--Save Lives," so maybe that was a tie-in as well.
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and there may be one or two other things. I need to compare it to our version to be sure...
Just comparing by eye I can see that there's more to the mirror ball falling sequence (who knew Vicki and Mrs. Johnson were there? - yet another scene of Mrs. J. being completely oblivious [ghost_grin]) and the sex sequence. But I need to split both the Italian version and ours into frames to get a better idea of what to post. But I won't have the chance to do that until later this afternoon...
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And also take note that Mrs. Johnson is in the still of Vicki entering Collinwood. [ghost_wink]
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Yes, Mrs. Johnson looks like she's asleep in a chair. I love it! [ghost_cheesy]
But getting back to the trailers, I just did a frame by frame comparison of the German and Italian trailers and they're the same (well, except for the languages, of course [ghost_wink]). Now I'm going to compare the German version to ours to see if there really is more than just additional shots in the sex scene. And then I'll post what turns out to be different...
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I'm happy to say that given the ain't it cool review and the UK tv spot, I think this film is going to turn out exactly as we were hoping. The scene in the trailer where Barnabas is talking to Liz and explaining who he really is, looks deeply dark and intense.
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Still, they have got to edit-out that tooth-brushing scene. Please, pretty-please.
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Still, they have got to edit-out that tooth-brushing scene. Please, pretty-please.
don't count on it. it and that stupid "chevy" joke seem to be personal favorites of someone onboard. [ghost_rolleyes]
attitudes seem to be swinging back in the direction they were before the uber-campy trailer was released. and we've heard lots of positive things in recent days...
there seemed to be a certain amount of acceptance sinking in with the idea that the film was largely comedic. now hopes are high for something else. i hope people don't end up disappointed if it does turn out to be a comedy after all.
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This is why comedy is so difficult. Everyone loves/hates different things. I'm not sure if any one of us is happy with all of the jokes in the trailer. But I'm glad Prof. Stokes told us that the best and worst of the jokes were included here. That provides us a gauge.
At best, I am hoping for a very dark film with a lot of comedy.
At worst, I am expecting a comedy with some very dark moments.
[ghost_cheesy]
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Actually, more than I thought was different about the European trailer was different. Also, the color seems so much better with both the German and Italian versions of the trailer. The USA version seems to have too much of a green tint to it.
But anyway, the first thing that is different is the lead-up to the panties scene:
Barnabas storming away from Angelique ends earlier in the European version -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00001859.jpg)
- than it does in the US version.
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/00002024.jpg)
And that's because the panties scene in the European version shows Angelique actually
removing her panties -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00001860.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #1860 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00001860.jpg))
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00001863.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #1863 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00001863.jpg))
- whereas in the US version the sequence starts with her panties already out to her side:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/00002025.jpg)
However, because it shows her panties being removed, the European version actually
ends a bit sooner -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00001879.jpg)
- than the US version does before -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/00002039.jpg)
- we see Barnabas in the coffin, which also starts a bit sooner -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/00002040.jpg)
- than in the European version:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00001880.jpg)
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When it comes to the sequence of Barnabas shot between Angelique's legs from her POV:
The European version of the scene actually cuts away with Angelique's legs still open -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002068.jpg)
- so as to show Barnabas between them -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002069.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #2069 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002069.jpg))
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002086.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #2086 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002086.jpg))
- whereas in the US version Angelique's legs look seemingly closer together before the
shot ends:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/00002236.jpg)
And, of course, there's no Barnabas seen from between her legs.
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And when it comes to the actual sex sequence:
The European version of the scene actually shows more graphic wrangling between
Barnabas and Angelique -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003049.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #3049 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003049.jpg))
- with her gripping his back -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003051.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #3051 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003051.jpg))
- moaning -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003057.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #3057 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003057.jpg))
- and her digging her nails into his back:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003065.jpg)
(Click for larger image: Capture #3065 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003065.jpg))
- whereas to make up for not having any of that, the US version begins the sequence of
the camera spinning -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/00003213.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/00003219.jpg)
-before it reaches the point where the European version of the spinning begins:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00003066.jpg)
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The part with the falling mirror ball actually ended up being exactly the same in both versions. But if you're like me and never really even noticed Mrs. Johnson or Victoria before, here are two captures that show them.
First Mrs. Johnson mopping (off to the right in the capture):
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002382.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #2382 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002382.jpg)
And then Victoria (off to the left):
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002393.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #2393 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/GER/00002393.jpg)
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Still, they have got to edit-out that tooth-brushing scene. Please, pretty-please.
don't count on it.
I seriously doubt the toothbrushing scene will be cut - especially now that thanks to the 3rd 30 second TV spot we know how/why it figures into the plot. [ghost_wink]
there seemed to be a certain amount of acceptance sinking in with the idea that the film was largely comedic. now hopes are high for something else. i hope people don't end up disappointed if it does turn out to be a comedy after all.
I've never thought the film was going to be a full out comedy because so many people involved with it have been saying that it isn't. Though I've certainly been expecting there to be a good deal of humor. And I don't think that conflicts with either the AICN review or Entertainment Weekly's Anthony Breznican's description of the film. Both Sleepy Hollow and especially Buffy had plenty of humor to them, but neither could ever be described as a comedy. So, it those are prime examples of what the film will be like, I certainly won't be disappointed in the slightest...
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Thanks for the new caps, MB. I love how David always has his dinosaurs!
And did everyone see the still of Barnabas and David - with the weird hand gesture and expression on Barnabas's face? That's one of my favorites. I think I am going to love their interactions.
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Thanks MB for the new captures and for comparing the differences for us. It's like an egg hunt to find the different scenes. Great job. Love the panties breakdown.
I did notice CB that David was holding something but now with MB's capture I can see what it is.
I wonder if David likes BC from the beginning or has to earn his trust.
I wonder what Vicky was looking at-it doesn't appear she was looking at what was happening. I think Mrs. Johnson is going to be a hoot. I like BC's grimace-he really means business.
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I just got a phone call from a friend to tell me that she saw the 3rd 30 second TV spot about a half hour ago during Days of our Lives. So, I guess that means the spots could be showing up this week during all sorts of shows. And maybe we'll even get something new...
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the REAL PREMIERE for DARK SHADOWS movie has been announced. it will be held at the chinese theatre on monday may 7th. time to be announced. more details at www.seeing-stars.com click on calendar of hollywood events and scroll down halfway. for those of you who thought the vista event was the premiere, the jokes on you.
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MB, thanks for all your hard work on gathering, editing and posting all the screen captures. It is so appreciated. [ghost_smiley]
The whole panties thing is a hoot and a half. [ghost_cheesy]
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I dislike that tooth brushing scene from what I saw on the trailer unless of course Barn is brushing right after a messy bite . . . [ghost_nowink]
The "chevy" remark cracks me up.
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I personally think the chevy joke is funny and I think that Michelle P does the dry comedy very well. And if the person at AIN'T IT COOL is right this is one of her best roles in years! :)
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I dislike that tooth brushing scene from what I saw on the trailer unless of course Barn is brushing right after a messy bite . . . [ghost_nowink]
If we can go by a sequence in the 3rd 30 second TV spot, it looks like Barnabas brushes his teeth after his breath makes Victoria wince. [ghost_wink]
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I think that Michelle P does the dry comedy very well. And if the person at AIN'T IT COOL is right this is one of her best roles in years! :)
The more I see of Michelle Pfeiffer in the trailers and TV spots, the more intrigued I am and the more I can't wait to see her as Liz.
And speaking of Michelle, I saw a segment on one of the entertainment shows about her next film after DS, People Like Us (which opens June 29th), and it looks like she has a great role in that too. Hopefully she's on a roll...
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Yet another article! This one appears in the May issue of Total Film, a British import. Rather an interesting read, with short but interesting interviews with Burton, Depp and Eva Green. The most interesting tidbit is that Burton showed the cast two movies to establish the proper mood. The two flicks were The Legend of Hell House and Dracula '72. [ghost_smiley]
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Soundtrack announced...
Slightly disappointed that some of those trailer songs appear... I was under the impression they would not be in the film. Maybe they won't be? I don't know how soundtracks work nowadays...
http://filmmusicreporter.com/2012/04/16/dark-shadows-soundtrack-announced/
There's some decent songs in the mix though.
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Slightly disappointed that some of those trailer songs appear... I was under the impression they would not be in the film. Maybe they won't be? I don't know how soundtracks work nowadays...
I have a hunch only little snippets of the songs will be in the actual film, and will probably be source music. I don't think they'll be used much (if at all) as underscoring.
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Soundtrack announced...
Slightly disappointed that some of those trailer songs appear... I was under the impression they would not be in the film. Maybe they won't be? I don't know how soundtracks work nowadays...
http://filmmusicreporter.com/2012/04/16/dark-shadows-soundtrack-announced/
There's some decent songs in the mix though.
Thanks so much for the link, Cousin! I've been waiting to hear news about this and was starting to wonder if it was a misprint that there would actually be a score *and* a soundtrack. I'm glad there's a soundtrack. I guess I've gotten used to the idea of the trailer songs appearing in the film. While some of them are not my favorites, it seemed to me that both Top of the World and No More Mr. Nice Guy are integral to the story and would thus pretty much have to be there. I'm most thrilled about Nights in White Satin and the Iggy Pop song- Iggy is a very old friend of Johnny's, btw- too bad he's not in the movie but a poster of his made it into Carolyn's bedroom!
I'm also very intrigued by the last track:
11. The Joker – Johnny Depp
As someone who is always interested in Johnny's musical pursuits (I run a website devoted to his music), I've been quite exhausted over the last couple of weeks, trying to keep up with several live performances, news of a couple of album appearances, and a music video, and now there is this tantalizing little tidbit to ponder. I wonder if they mean the Steve Miller song? If so, I'm guessing it'll be an instrumental- as great as Johnny was singing in Sweeney Todd, he tends to shy away from singing otherwise! Can't wait to learn more about this!
I do think they could've put a few more than 11 tracks on the CD, though. I guess they didn't have enough music to fill it, which is probably why the Elfman tracks were added. (Too bad they couldn't have added a couple of Cobert's tracks, though!)
(Edited to add after seeing KMR's post- yes, I agree that it's quite possible that only snippets of these songs will actually be in the film- that is pretty common in soundtracks- to have just clips of songs in the movie and then the complete song on the soundtrack. We'll see, I guess!)
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Yet another article! This one appears in the May issue of Total Film, a British import. Rather an interesting read, with short but interesting interviews with Burton, Depp and Eva Green. The most interesting tidbit is that Burton showed the cast two movies to establish the proper mood. The two flicks were The Legend of Hell House and Dracula '72. [ghost_smiley]
I saw The Legend of Hell House when it was released back in the early 70s, and I enjoyed it then, even though it seemed to be rather watered-down when compared to the novel. I've seen it a couple more times since it came out on DVD, and I think it has held up incredibly well--I enjoyed it even more now than I did decades ago! There is a very creepy atmosphere, and some special effects that although very simple were quite effective. I think Burton made a good choice here. Unfortunately, I can't say that I was impressed at all by Dracula A.D. 1972, although it may have been the story itself that I didn't like. Hammer's horror productions always had cheesily lush (or lushly cheesy?) production design that had a tendency to overpower the script more times than not. Hammer was able to design sets that suggested grandeur and belied the low budgets, not unlike the main set of the original DS series (foyer and drawing room) which was in actuality quite small. In contrast with Hammer, though, DS had writing that far surpassed a lot of the production design!
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speaking of the scene where barnabas' breath makes vicki wince...
since that is the only glimpse we've really had of the two of them, and most of the promotional material has focused on his relationship (if that's what one can accurately call it) with angelique, it's hard to get a read on what that relationship is going to be like.
i mean on his end, well, she looks like josette. which is traditionally enough to send him into a tizzy. but in previous tellings barnabas looked more or less "normal" most of the time. here not so much. so on her end what's the attraction? is it reciprocal? or is it more along the lines of the OS where vicki saw barnabas as a "kindly gentleman friend" and nothing else.
strange how this particular part of the story has been downplayed in the advertising. [ghost_huh]
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Thanks for the link CB.
If these projections hold up it is highly likely DS will come in second place in its first week as some here have stated. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/the-avengers-dark-knight-rises-box-office-312398
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Was just scanning through tonight's edition of Extra and the 2nd 30 second TV spot ran during it. However, with that show it's not really too surprising since it's produced by Warner Brothers TV. [ghost_wink] Interestingly, though, it was the same version that said the film hasn't been rated, whereas my friend told me that the version of the 3rd 30 second TV spot she saw did say that the film is rated PG-13.
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Add Dancing With The Stars to the list of shows showing a 30 second TV spot today. They showed the 3rd one - and it does indeed say the film is rated PG-13.
So, I think it's pretty safe to say that the spots could show up anywhere now...
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Any speculation on the identity of the woman Roger seems to be seducing, as Barnabas watches through the window? Most of us probably assume the woman is some un-named extra. Perhaps we are correct.
But, what if our assumptions are wrong? Might the woman be a major character? Some have suggested Angelique. Has anyone considered other options? Difficult to consider, I admit -- with the blonde hair and such. Still, this might explain why the Barnabas/Josette love-story seems to be suddenly minimized during the 1972 timeline.
Hmmmm. I'm just considering options. And -- believe me, I do not like the "option" I've just considered. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts.
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The woman is definitely Elizabeth. As we clearly know, everyone in the family has dark secrets. Roger and Liz are, as Louis Edmonds put it, "incestors." A true homage to the original... [ghost_tongue2]
I actually think it's the character named "Hippie Chick."
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WOW... I just got a listen to the score and MY OH MY...I am sorry but that doesn't sound like the score for a film that is a comedy! NOT AT ALL! I couldn't get it to play on the WATER TOWER Site.
This just makes me giddy. Makes me have a lot more faith in the fact that this movie will reflect some great dark moments with a balance of some humorous moments as well.
Cannot wait!!!
I also want to ask the cousins. Do you think that the DS movie will have finality to it? Or will it be a balance of some finality mixed with some hints that there could be more movies to come?
And is it commonplace to save a set just in case there could possible be another movie? Or would they build the whole house over again?? Just curious. If anyone has any inside information please share!
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Interesting question, Taeylor. Let's assume for a moment - just assume. Near the end of the film, after all the action. Maybe even AFTER the closing credits -- Carolyn is seen talking on the phone.
[edited by admin per Forum Guideline that does not allow fan fiction]
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I am pretty sure there will be a reason to stay through the credits. If Burton is going to remain true to the series, we absolutely need some type of cliffhanger. I just hope it's not too big of one. I've always liked the Quentin idea, neil. But I'd definitely want to hear his gramophone. And Burton said we would not... [ghost_sad]
As an aside, I am getting inundated with images of Johnny Depp, HBC, and Jonny Lee Miller on Facebook. They keep popping up, urging me to like the movie's page. It's sort of comforting to see their mugs. (These are the first character poster images.)
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Aw, darn it all. After getting all excited yesterday that Johnny has a track on the soundtrack, a friend pointed out to me that Sony's Austrian site indicates that his track is only 18 seconds long [ghost_sad]
http://www.sonymusic.at/Various/Dark-Shadows/P/2662530 (http://www.sonymusic.at/Various/Dark-Shadows/P/2662530)
Oh well. Long enough to be a guitar riff, I suppose. Or it might even just be a little spoken word snippet. We'll see!
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the thing to remember in terms of a sequel is that the general public doesn't know who the heck quentin is...
so any of the "clues" that would be obvious to "us"...gramophones, ringing telephones...would mean nothing to a general audience. so they would not make an effective "cliffhanger".
since most of the audience is coming to this as a new story in order to generate excitement and suspense for another film a "cliffhanger" would have to reference the film they had just seen.
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True. But we do know that David is susceptible to the supernatural, so whatever cliffhanger they choose could tie into that. It could be Quentin, his mother, any number of people. Of course it could also have the do with Angelique, although I feel this movie will have dealt sufficiently with that material. [ghost_wink]
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We now have thirty people who are attending our DS film party on Saturday, May 12 (we intend to see a matinee to keep the cost down). We're trying to figure out if we want to have a brunch before the movie (complete with candelabra with blue candles) before hand, or a dinner with the same afterwards. Even my former most vociferous anti-DS friends are really into this (meaning they were former anti-DS, not former friends). As I'm finding out, this movie is making once DS-hating people now very DS-loving people.
Gerard
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Article about Elfman's score.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/danny-elfmans-dark-shadows-original-score-to-be-released-may-8-2012-04-17
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anyways in terms of a "cliffhanger" it might be a moot point. if i recall the person here who actually saw the movie said there really isn't one.
onto another subject new york is literally PLASTERED with advertising for this thing in the last few days. it's everywhere. subways. billboards. buses.
everywhere you look there "they" are. [ghost_blink]
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A TV Spots update: I heard that last night the 1st 30 second spot ran during Smash, and tonight it also ran during Dancing With The Stars - and tonight the 2nd 30 second spot ran during Glee. And probably not surprisingly, those are all shows that skew heavily female.
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I don't know why anyone would think there might be - but we have the likes of E! Online to seek out the answer to the question anyway:
EXCLUSIVE!
Feud Alert? Twilight vs. Dark Shadows and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (http://www.eonline.com/news/marc_malkin/feud_alert_twilight_vs_dark_shadows/309304)
Talk about manufactured news. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Since we have never seen it before I would love to see Barnabas have to deal with Laura. And considering Laura is truly one of the best written supernatural stories on the show I would love that. I don't think Laura gets the applause she deserves; however, after finally getting to see the beginning shows about two years ago I was enamoured with how well this story was written from beginning to end.
I am so excited about DS. I hope it has a huge opening and comes in #1. Hopefully, the built in audience will help and hopefully more and more OS people are warming up to the idea of DS. They may say they are not going to see it but I have a feeling some are more curious than they would like to admit!
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Barnabas and Laura is really where I'd liked to see this go as well... but I don't know if the writers allowed for a Phoenix story in the current set-up. :(
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The most interesting tidbit is that Burton showed the cast two movies to establish the proper mood. The two flicks were The Legend of Hell House and Dracula '72. [ghost_smiley]
How interesting! All this time, I'd been thinking that Victoria's clothing and overall look resembles that of Pamela Franklin's character from Hell House. Maybe this is why.
Soundtrack announced...
http://filmmusicreporter.com/2012/04/16/dark-shadows-soundtrack-announced/
This list is interesting too. The movie I saw also included Elton John's "Crocodile Rock" and a song that I couldn't identify but sounded like it was Ozzy Osbourne; I wonder if these songs were dropped from the final cut or if it simply didn't make it onto the album for some reason.
I've always loved "Nights in White Satin" and thought it was put to powerful, haunting good use in the film.
I haven't checked out the Ain't it Cool article yet, but will probably be back with more comments about it later. I definitely agree that Michelle Pfeiffer's Elizabeth was a marvelous creation and the most redeeming thing about the movie.
Incidentally, I just love reading the speculation on this thread. I'm impressed with how well some of the posters here have been able to anticipate the plot twists of the movie by scrutinizing the trailer, and I think some of you will be pleasantly surprised by how your wishes for the story come true. ;)
ProfStokes
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Thank you again for the amazing insight, ProfStokes. I am so glad to hear that Elizabeth is redeeming. She is one of my favorite characters from the original - if not my absolute favorite. I was worried after seeing her with the gun! Thank you for putting my mind at ease. I trust your judgment implicitly.
I have always loved Nights in White Satin, and I think it is going to work wonders here in the film. I am glad you can confirm this.
My only wish is that you could have provided us with a more positive initial response. I have a question for you. If you can't answer it, I understand. If you had seen the film after having seen the trailer, would you have been more receptive to it? I think a lot of us lowered expectations after seeing that trailer. Having now seen and having coming to terms that this will have a lot of comedy, would you be pleasantly surprised by the final product or still as disappointed?
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...is it commonplace to save a set just in case there could possible be another movie? Or would they build the whole house over again?? Just curious.
According to Roger Corman, A.I.P. pulled out every baroque/gothic furnishing and prop they had for his first Poe picture, HOUSE OF USHER. They then stored them away, continued adding to the the collection, and pulled everything out for each subsequent entry in the series. As the Poe films progressed, the sets became more and more lush. Long time ago (nearly half a century!?). Who knows how things are done now in the studio system. Did they actually build a Collinwood for this thing or just a facade?
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Thank you ProfStokes for your post. I look forward to your thoughts on the Aint It Cool review.
Re: Christopher Lee not playing Malloy. Perhaps that Spoiler Thread here may be worth another look?
Fandango had a poll of the anticipated summer movies of 2012 and DS was not in the men's top 5 but made the women's top 5. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-snow-white-dark-knight-fandango-summer-movie-survey-312606
Johnny Depp was The Most Anticipated Star:
http://www.fandango.com/moviephotos/summer2012smostanticipatedmovies_mostanticipatedmovieformenmarvelstheavengers_424_2
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Fandango had a poll of the anticipated summer movies of 2012 and DS was not in the men's top 5 but made the women's top 5.
Back in December, Fandango had a poll for the most anticipated films for 2012:
From The Interesting But Hardly Surprising Department:
Apparently Fandango posted a survey asking their users what films they're most anticipating in 2012. They received thousands of responses (according to Deadline.com) and the sorted results by gender are as follows:
Men: 1. The Hobbit; 2. The Avengers; 3. The Dark Knight Rises; 4. The Bourne Legacy; 5. Men in Black III.
Women: 1. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, Part 2; 2. The Hunger Games; 3. The Hobbit; 4. Dark Shadows; 5. The Avengers.
Great to see DS on the list - though it's hardly surprising that it shows up on the women's list but not the men's. As I've said many times, the DS film is going to be something that will appeal primarily to women, and it's going to be harder to attract men to the film who aren't already Depp and/or DS fans. ...
And it's interesting to see how some of the titles in this newer summer poll have juggled around, while others have remained basically in the same order:
Men: 1. The Avengers; 2. The Dark Knight Rises; 3. The Bourne Legacy; 4. Men in Black 3; 5. Prometheus
Women: 1. Snow White and the Huntsman; 2. The Avengers; 3. Men in Black 3; 4. The Dark Knight Rises; 5. Dark Shadows
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All this time, I'd been thinking that Victoria's clothing and overall look resembles that of Pamela Franklin's character from Hell House. Maybe this is why.
As I've posted before, I LOVE The Legend of Hell House (it's one of the few films that can actually scare me - though I always insist on watching it alone in the wee hours of the morning with all the lights off [ghost_wink]). But I'd never really put together Bella Heathcote's look in DS and Pamela Franklin's in TLOHH - though now that you've pointed it out, it's a very interesting observation.
I've always loved "Nights in White Satin" and thought it was put to powerful, haunting good use in the film.
I'm also a big fan of that song, so I'm beyond thrilled to learn that.
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On the surface it seems the DS trailer didn't have any impact on the results from Fandango's previous poll. Perhaps the majority of people were not impressed with it. I hope WB is satisfied with the buzz for this movie. It does seem like a mixed bag.
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When I see trailers at the movies, I would be hard pressed to tell you much about them afterwards unless I was really really interested in seeing a particular movie and anticipating the trailer. I don't put any stock into the Fandango poll. I think most people are kinda zoned out and don't pay all that much attention to trailers while getting settled, acquiring refreshments and checking out if they got the best seats available or not for the current showing.
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I was just over on Amazon and noticed that the DS score CD is now down to $9.99. That's probably as low as it will go - but it's certainly a lot cheaper than the price it started at. Oddly, though, there still isn't a hint on Amazon that there will be a soundtrack CD...
And speaking of the score, I don't know how often others have listened to the sample MP3s, so what I'm about to say may be something that not everyone is even aware of, but since I've burned them onto a CD, I've listened to them numerous times, and one thing I really love is how what I like to call the Barnabas/Josette love theme (though I've since learned for a friend unafraid of spoilers that it's called "Is It Her?") is weaved throughout several of the other samples. I don't know how prominent the Barnabas/Josette-Victoria relationship will be in the film, but it would seem to be fairly prominent in the score itself.
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LOL, we are on the same wavelength, MB, because I also noticed the price drop for the DS Score (which I've already preordered), and I also have been looking for the Soundtrack to be listed. (I've also looked on Barnes & Noble, though B&N is behind Amazon about 95% of the tiime). Well, hopefully they'll be added soon- and hopefully with sound snippets, especially for the Depp track and the others we may not already know.
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I am glad someone else considers that to be the Love Theme. Because that is exactly what I thought of. Like I said, this music is very reminiscent of Cobert's 1991 update - and I consider this Love Theme to be nearly as good as that one. It is phenomenal. Now I just hope SGS is right about the the original main theme being used. I really, really want to hear the whole prologue!
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I was just updating my Netflix queue and for the hell of it, checked the status of DS. I live in the Boston (Mass./New England) area and all 26 sets are showing up as available. I think the pre-Barn episodes are as well; there was a picture of Vicki from the box cover of the first 1966 set in use as the icon for the series.
Netflix uses thematic keywords that may either be genre terms ("comedy") or descriptive of mood and atmosphere. For the original series of DS, the keywords given are "dark, suspenseful." I was quite surprised to see that there is already a page up for Depp Shadows even though the movie hasn't even been released. I have the feeling this is common practice nowadays so I shouldn't be surprised. I kid you not, for the 2012 feature films the keywords given are "dark, goofy."
Time will tell how accurate that assessment is... at least it's "dark, goofy" rather than "goofy, dark."
Even though they are commenting on a movie they haven't seen, there are substantial comments from Netflix patrons giving their opinions about the 2012 movie. I only read a few. The back and forth is one with which we have all become familiar in recent months.
G.
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[lol2]
That is great!
I hope Dark Goofy is a decent film... because that is what I am calling it if I don't recognize it as DS. [ghost_wink]
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I'm willing to give the new movie a chance. It might appear to be a comedy in trailers, but I have seen other movies in where the trailers were misleading. Even if it does turn out to be a comedy, it might be done in a black, darkish way that we might be able to appreciate it.
I had misgivings at first, but the more I look at Johnny in the role of Barnabas, I think he could pull it off.
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Depp: "It's a horror film. It's a love story. It's a funny comedy. A lot of times you don't know whether to laugh."
Is the above quote a description of the DS film? Actually, no. It's taken from the Sleepy Hollow extras. Hmmm...
But getting back to the DS film, I was in Barnes & Noble on Monday and picked up four magazines with DS articles in them: W, Sci Fi, Famous Monsters of Filmland, and Total Film. The first article I've only just started to read is the one in Total Film, but already Richard Zanuck is attempting to describe the film, and this time around he's come up with: "This one is probably more off-center than anything he's (Burton) has ever done really, because its part based on a soap opera. You can't catagorize it with one word. It's a supernatural horror comedy action picture. It's a perfect blending of genres for Tim."
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Depp: "It's a horror film. It's a love story. It's a funny comedy. A lot of times you don't know whether to laugh."
Is the above quote a description of the DS film? Actually, no. It's taken from the Sleepy Hollow extras. Hmmm...
Haha, that is a great description of Sleepy Hollow. I would not have been able to place that quote. It *is* very funny in parts, but it is also very dark. There is one scene in particular that always shocked me, because even though it's mostly implied/off screen, it is something that I don't think ever happens most horror films, even really graphic ones. I will use spoiler tags because some of you may not want to see: [spoiler]A little boy is killed, even though he tries to hide under the floorboards.[/spoiler] I do keep trying to remind myself that Dark Shadows will be PG-13, so it's probably not going to be as dark as Sleepy Hollow. But many of the more recent descriptions have the tone as being at least somewhat similar, and if so, I think I'll be happy.
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Aw, darn it all. After getting all excited yesterday that Johnny has a track on the soundtrack, a friend pointed out to me that Sony's Austrian site indicates that his track is only 18 seconds long [ghost_sad]
http://www.sonymusic.at/Various/Dark-Shadows/P/2662530 (http://www.sonymusic.at/Various/Dark-Shadows/P/2662530)
Oh well. Long enough to be a guitar riff, I suppose. Or it might even just be a little spoken word snippet. We'll see!
I just noticed this morning that the link I gave above no longer works, but rather redirects to the Sony Austria's home page. Maybe it's just that they are editing it or adding information, but I sure hope they didn't decide not to release a soundtrack! [ghost_shocked] Or I wonder if it could possibly be delayed. It's so strange that Amazon doesn't yet show it, but if it is coming out on May 8, it is awfully late to be putting it up for preorder. We'll see...
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I do keep trying to remind myself that Dark Shadows will be PG-13, so it's probably not going to be as dark as Sleepy Hollow. But many of the more recent descriptions have the tone as being at least somewhat similar, and if so, I think I'll be happy.
I don't think that a PG-13 rating vs. R rating would mean that the level of "darkness" is any lower. It can still be very dark without explicit gore. I think the specific details, not the tone, were the cause of the R rating for Sleepy Hollow (e.g., beheadings).
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From the Turner Classic Website:
The four of them...Frid, Selby, Parker, and Scott...apparently appear as partygoers during a scene where Barnabas holds a costume party. Rumor has it that Frid is dressed similarly to Depp in the scene...but anyway, there's at least one publicity still from the movie of Michelle Pfeiffer (who plays Elizabeth) at the party, and behind her and to her right can be seen Selby and Parker.
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Janet, where is that found on the Turner Classic web site? I couldn't find it...
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Genneral discussions thread.
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Fangoria just came in. And I was devastated by what I saw inside.
If you want to avoid a huge spoiler, you MUST not look at the picture on the bottom right of p. 44. Avoid it at all costs. It wasn't until I really looked at it that I discovered something I wish I never had. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. And don't read the caption. I want to spare you the absolute disbelief I experienced after seeing it. So do not look at it. Cover it up if you want to read the Burton interview, but don't look at it. I cannot stress this enough. P. 44, bottom right. You MUST avoid it.
I have only read the Zanuck and Burton interviews. There is a very long one with HBC that I haven't gotten too far into.
Both Burton and HBC deny that the film is a comedy. Burton said he was really surprised when he saw Warners called it one.
Burton gives a vague answer when asked about Cobert's theme. This makes me doubt it's in there, despite what SGS said.
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CB thanks for the heads up. That was unfortunate. Out of curiosity are you happy with the spoiler.? You made reference tjat you were surprised but not all spoilers are bad. The issue is the May issue right? Thanks.
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Yes, this is the May issue - 313. I am NOT happy with the spoiler. But I am taking to heart something SGS said earlier and keeping it in mind when I think of this photo. It is very much in the style of Dark Shadows, but it is not something I wanted to see happen. (I am hoping it's a dream sequence or that the photo doesn't tell the whole story...) But I really can't imagine them publishing a photo with this particular set-up. I can't say too much, but I can say if you don't look at it closely, it won't bother you as much. I looked at, thought it was a really cool photo, then did a double-take... I was sort of dumbfounded for a few minutes.
I just read the HBC interview. I was more pleased by what she had to say that what Burton said. She re-words some of her earlier statements and is really very reverential. I don't know how much of this is PR, but I want to take what she says to heart. It was all very nice.
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Thanks Cousin_Barnabas for the additional information. I am sorry you are not happy with it because I think you and I are mostly on the same page. I am surprised that it wasn't vetted for major spoilers. Perhaps they underestimated our eagle eyes here. Perhaps the scene is not what it depicts. Let's hope so. At this point so close to the premiere TPTB will probably only have positive things to say about the movie and o/s. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
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I just got home from doing some errands and I was just going to post that I picked up both the new Fangoria and the new issue of Empire. However, I hadn't looked at either of them yet, so I'm very grateful for your warning, Cousin_Barnabas. And one does have to ask oneself why Fangoria would spoil something like that. They have to realize that there are still three weeks until the film opens, so it's not like people picking up the magazine have already seen the film and will already know. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Of course! My only hope is that the photo does not make its way to the Internet, especially through an official release. The resolution is pretty low in the magazine, so - if you don't pay too much attention - you don't realize what's going on... To make matters worse, they caption the picture. Though, I knew what it was before I read it. I just wanted to be sure that I was correct, so I used a magnifying lens and started comparing the image to others and the footage we have seen, and as far as I can tell, I am correct. So, steer clear!
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New trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By8vfceBEjk&feature=player_embedded#!
I am sorry, but this is flat-out hilarious. If the humor is more like this, I can take it.
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Thanks for posting this! You're 100% right. This is damn funny and very dark. [ghost_smiley]
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New trailer
And with lots of new stuff, too. So, you know what that means. [ghost_wink] But it will have to wait until later today because I haven't even gone to bed yet...
Thanks so much for the link, Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley]
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Oh, that was hysterical! Thanks so much, cousin! I pretty much figured I'd love Depp's performance regardless, but I know I'll be getting a kick out of Ms. Green, as well!
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ahh so we finally do see the "hippie camp" leaked in the earliest of spoilers. poor them.
love the new terrace shot with vicki and barnabas.
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The DS soundtrack has finally shown up on Amazon.com, but only as an Import, and $$$$$ [ghost_angry]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QEO176/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QEO176/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
I hope that there is also a (~$10-$12) domestic release, and they're just really, really slow about getting it in the system. The original reported release date of May 8 is only a little over 2 weeks away (this import says a release date of May 15, however).
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and between the trailers and the film score titles and various other publicity releases and now the 'fangoria' article WAY too much spoilerish material has been leaked. especially for the film that's supposed to have an element of "mystery".
walking in i already know, or largely suspect, much of the film's content.
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Though at least with this film a lot of things are still only suspicion - and there's still a possibility - even if it's only slight - that what we think will happen my not. But as I've said, when it came to hoDS, with the exception of the very end, long before the film opened we knew for certain everything that was going to happen because we were either specifically told that it was and/or we were given photos that depicted it.[spoiler]Releasing photos of Carolyn's staking was ridiculous! Actually, even releasing any photos of Carolyn as a vampire was ridiculous! Yet both were revealed right in the various posters, never mind in stills![/spoiler]So when it came to seeing the film, it wasn't nearly as suspenseful as it should have been when there was so little question as to what was going to happen. At least with this film there are still parts that we can't be 100% sure of until we see them...
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That is true Michael about all the spoilers out there. It seems everything is out of Burton's hands and the studio doesn't appear to to know what they are doing in the critical aspects. For example, TB said in the latest Fangoria issue 313, "One of the Warners press releases called Dark Shadows a comedy and I've no idea where that impression came from. None whatsoever...." Its clear to me they are doing a poor job marketing this movie and vetting spoilers from being leaked.
MB I hope you are right. I am not please with some of what I have read and seen.
CB thanks for that new video. I love the Seaview Terrace tribute scene.
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MB I hope you are right. I am not please with some of what I have read and seen.
Though, of course, I'm referring to things like what we've inferred from the trailers and TV spots and from what we've read in various articles/interviews and seen in various stills. I'm not referring to anything that might be in the spoiler topic here on the forum. Spoilers like that are a whole other issue - and knowing any of that sort of info beforehand is something that can be avoided if one wants it to be. [ghost_wink]
Actually, after I see the film, I'm going to be very curious to check out that topic to see how much of the spoiler info actually turned out to be accurate. A lot of times spoilers come from versions earlier than the final script, so it could be quite interesting if anything like that turns out to be the case...
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This is interesting - a cross promotion between DS and The Vampire Diaries:
Win tickets to an exclusive screening of Dark Shadows! (http://www.sandiego6.com/promotions/Dark-Shadows-147002375.html)
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what's most interesting about #1801 is that -
the 1st 60 second TV spot is the UK trailer for the film
- I was a bit off in that I noticed today that that shot of Barnabas' hand against the glass is not in the UK version. And heavens only knows why because it's hardly shocking and certainly not as racy as some might consider the shot of Barnabas seen between Angelque's legs, which appears in that German trailer but not in the US version.
Actually, I was way off because there are several more differences that just the shot of Barnabas' hand:
First off:
After the "Madam, I am Barnabas Collins" scene, the UK version has the "Are you stoned?" scene -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/UK/00000424.jpg)
- when the US version has the "Is he for real?" scene:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/UK000726.jpg)
Secondly (and which is only a minor thing):
Tim Burton's credit is worded differently in the UK version -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/UK/00000466.jpg)
- than it is in the US version:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/UK000770.jpg)
Who knows why? [ghost_huh]
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Thirdly, there are totally different final reaction shots in the "Birthing hips" scene:
In the UK version, Carolyn simply looks at Barnabas with an odd expression on her face -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/UK/00000880.jpg)
- whereas in the US version she tells him that he's weird:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/UK001314.jpg)
Fourthly:
When the hand against the glass shot is seen in the US version -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/UK001798.jpg)
The UK version shows Barnabas and Angelique slamming against the painting -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/UK/00001248.jpg)
followed by Barnabas' disgusted look when Angelique moves to kiss him:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/UK/00001258.jpg)
And then after the drop from the ceiling and the smashing of the table, the UK version shows
an abbreviated version of the tongue scene:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/UK/00001292.jpg)
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And finally (though again, something that's not all that important to us):
It's interesting that the DS logo shows the trademark symbol in the UK version -
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/UK/00001415.jpg)
- whereas it doesn't in the US version:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/USA/UK002010.jpg)
And I don't honestly think I've seen the trademark on the logo for any of the US promotional materials. Though it may have been added in the new versions of the TV spots. I'll have to pay attention the next time I see one...
And speaking of the TV spots, I haven't heard anything about any more of them running except during this week's installments of American Idol. However, I've recorded quite a few shows since then that I haven't watched, so something may show up once I finally do get around to watching them...
And as for screen captures from the Taiwanese spot, I'll be posting those in a few hours...
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Thanks for all of the hard work, MB. It is appreciated.
Incidentally, a new American trailer debuts this Friday. Let us hope that we will get to see it online sometime this week.
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I am guessing the new trailer with Chinese subtitles and voiceover is for the Taiwan release. Not to show off or anything, but I read Chinese and the type of characters and style of Mandarin used in the trailer are typical of Taiwan. I suppose it might be for Singapore as well... wasn't there a Singapore website that leaked some early photos? Or was that Brazil? Or both?
The Chinese title, for anyone who cares, translates as "Dark-shadowed Family" or "Dark Shadows Family" (it's ambivalent; Chinese doesn't have tenses and inflections the way Indo-European languages do).
The scene with Barnabas and the hippies makes me wonder if Burton is also a fan of the late Robert Quarry Deathmaster film (about a vampire setting himself up as a hippie guru). This movie seems to be his opportunity to offer homage to just about anything in or out of reach from the Sixties and early Seventies.
I know I'm being a sourpuss but I don't find the idea of Barn slaughtering an entire camp full of people funny. Love means never having to say you're sorry so I won't.
cheers, G.
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As always -- Thank you, Mysterious. The screen captures are great.
Cousin Barnabas, since I am not one to shy-away from spoilers, I looked closely at the photo you warned us about on page 44 of Fangoria. Of course I won't disclose information about the photo here, but I personally would not consider that much of a spoiler. A predictable plot-point, maybe -- but not an important spoiler. I can't imagine anyone looking at that photo and being shocked. Most importantly, as you mentioned -- we don't even know the context of that photo. Whether is occurs near the beginning, middle, or end of the movie. We don't even know what in which time period it occurs -- 1700s or 1970. At least, I could not tell.
I'm not trying to get a discussion of the spoiler content of the photo started here, because I know that belongs in another thread. I just wanted to comment that I sorta disagree with you, that the photo reveals a huge or surprising spoiler. You're not wrong. But, it's all a matter of perception, I suppose.
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G, maybe not the actual act, but Depp's delivery of the line was really well done.
Cousin Barnabas, since I am not one to shy-away from spoilers... I'm not trying to get a discussion of the spoiler content of the photo started here, because I know that belongs in another thread. I just wanted to comment that I sorta disagree with you, that the photo reveals a huge or surprising spoiler. You're not wrong. But, it's all a matter of perception, I suppose.
No one look except the people who know and or want to know how I discerned the context of the picture.
[spoiler]
Not only is it captioned, but the clothing is also contemporary. Barnabas is wearing his 1972 outfit. The trailer provided hope. The picture seemingly does not.
In the words of Jason McGuire, "It looks pretty dead to me."
[/spoiler]
For me, that picture sums up the plot of the movie. (Maybe I just care more than I ought to.) Like I said, I hope it is out of context. Still, it's not something that should have been printed.
And that is all I am going to say about it here... Other than to say that I have heard from a number of people who were very disappointed to have seen it.
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I am in total agreement with CB's position regarding said spoiler. It's shocking to me. Thanks MB for the wonderful captures.
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Here are the first 5 screen caps:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000680.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #680 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000680.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000718.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #718 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000718.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000737.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #737 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000737.jpg)
(There was some speculation as to whether or not she might, but here it would certainly seem as if Victoria reciprocates Barnabas' feelings.)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000752.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #752 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000752.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000760.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #760 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000760.jpg)
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The next 5 screen caps:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000775.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #775 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000775.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000813.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #813 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000813.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000825.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #825 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000825.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000867.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #867 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000867.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000886.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #886/url] (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000886.jpg)
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The next 5 screen caps:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000906.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #906 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000906.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000968.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #968 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000968.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000994.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #994 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90000994.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001007.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1007 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001007.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001026.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1026/url] (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001026.jpg)
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The last 5 screen caps:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001056.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1056 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001056.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001093.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1093 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001093.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001208.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1208 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001208.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001230.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1230 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001230.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001418.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1418/url] (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/90001418.jpg)
And the reason I included that last one was because I thought it was interesting that it directs people to the UK Web site for the film...
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Thanks so much, MB. I really love these Hippies. It harkens back to Night of Dark Shadows for me.
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I am in total agreement with CB's position regarding said spoiler. It's shocking to me. Thanks MB for the wonderful captures.
yes i've been made aware of the photograph and caption in question(at my own request)and it's now making the rounds on FB...
and i agree it's a pretty stunning spoiler and not just a "predicable plot point". i certainly would not have assumed that's how this particular plot would end up.
for that to be released in advance of the movie is very irresponsible. it gives WAY too much away.
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I haven't seen the photo yet, so I could be off in what I'm about to say, but if as michael c says, the photo would seem to give way too much away, it would indeed be very irresponsible of Fangoria to have published it. So, could it be that what people are thinking it depicts won't actually turn out to be what it seems to depict? After all, DS has certainly been known to come up with some misleading twists in its time. And considering the editor of Fangoria is a big DS fan himself, would he really go so far as to ruin the entire film? Not to mention, would he really open up the magazine to a possible avalanche of angry reaction from DS fans? So, might it be quite possible that the script could have a twist up its sleeve that we know nothing about?
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I think it's very, very possible, MB. And, as I have stated a couple times before, I hope that is the case. But regardless of how the scene appears in the context of the film, I still did not want to know that it happened the way that it did. Every other bit of promotional material is very selective about what it shows. I wanted to be surprised. And regardless if the photo is the "end all, be all" depiction, it gives way too much away about the film's plot. Even if it turns out to be completely different from the photo - and based on what SGS has said, I wouldn't be surprised - it still was a scene I wanted to see in the film, not beforehand.
As an aside, I'm going to say that I love the new image they printed of Vicki meeting Barnabas. It is so beautiful, and very reminiscent of my favorite scene from House of Dark Shadows, with Julia watching in the background.
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Even if it turns out to be completely different from the photo - and based on what SGS has said, I wouldn't be surprised - it still was a scene I wanted to see in the film, not beforehand.
Well, I can relate because that's exactly how I felt about all the photos that ruined major hoDS plot points way beforehand.
As an aside, I'm going to say that I love the new image they printed of Vicki meeting Barnabas. It is so beautiful, and very reminiscent of my favorite scene from House of Dark Shadows, with Julia watching in the background.
OK - now you're killing me because I haven't even touched my copy of Fangoria since I read your warning last night, so I have no idea what you're talking about with regard to that photo - and your description has me dying to see it! [ghost_grin]
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yes the shot of julia spying barnabas and vicki first meeting is pretty choice...
she looks like she's already plotting. [ghost_wink]
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That one is on p. 40, so you are safe! [ghost_grin]
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I think it's probably best just to leave the Fangoria in the bag where it still is. One can only summon up so much self control when it comes to checking out that photo on page 44, so out of sight helps it to stay out of hand. [ghost_wink]
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[pointing-up]
[thumbleft]
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I have a question about one of the screen capture pics posted several posts above. There is a photo of Barnabas and Vicki in a romantic embrace. Is anyone else wondering how Victoria Winters could possibly find vampire Barnabas sexually attractive? Pale white skin, dark patches around his eyes, and long creepy fingers. I can't imagine anyone finding that look romantic or appealing. How in the world are they going to explain this?
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That beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it's his personality she's attracted to. [ghost_wink] No doubt it's a whole beauty and the beast fantasy.
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Against my better judgment, I sought out the picture that Cousin Barnabas has spoken about. I wouldn't be surprised if this were a true depiction of this event in the film because it would certainly drive the remainder of the film following said event. I hope it doesn't come true, but I will certainly not be surprised if it really is what some think it to be. Of course, it could be something entirely different as well, which would also drive the plot following it's occurrence.
Sidebar, I am enjoying all of this incognito talk in attempts to keep said thing under wraps. :D
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Michael, I don't expect a sequal. If the film is largely based on the comedy of fish-out-of-water, that will get old really fast. One movie, maybe. But, I can't imagine a second film based on that. However, without that humor, wouldn't the second film be a serious horror movie? And, we know they certainly wouldn't be interested in that.
Another question -- Are we all assuming the mausoleum is not a part of this film? That seems to be the case, but just wondering what others are thinking.
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true...
i don't know why i'm talking sequels really. i think there's just been some vague suggestion of them that i've responded too.
considering how long it took this to get made it could be several years even if there is one.
not to mention the unthinkable that this one ends up being a bust. [ghost_shocked]
as for the mausoleum it does look like barnabas has a stash of jewels hidden somewhere. but it doesn't appear to be a prominent location. certain key locations/elements/characters have been eliminated in the name of a two hour time frame. the old house. sarah collins. perhaps the mausoleum too.
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The reason talk of sequels tends to come up is because a few members of the film's production team as well as Warner Brothers themselves have said they would like to see the film kick off a franchise. [ghost_smiley]
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I am so glad that someone posted this on the Internet...
Hear the complete "Widows' Hill" here:
http://soundcloud.com/timburden/movie-magic-dark-shadows-and
It is so lushly beautiful. There's a lot of John Williams in this piece. Can you hear his Dracula score?
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The way things are being played out there will be no sequels. I'm actually hoping for a new small screen series. NON-WB this time.
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The only thing I am saying is that I believe this movie is going to be very weird in terms of how it ends. You need only look at the score tracks to know that. [ghost_wink]
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Remember this IS Dark Shadows. There could do a sequel and tell us this entire happened in PT time. Barnabas or someone else could go back and time and try to prevent this story from happening. It wouldn't be outside the world of DS.
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Well, if Superman can make time go backward to save Lois Lane, then it should be child's play for Barnabas to do the same.
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I was just finally watching Friday's Ellen and they promoted that Johnny Depp will be on in May. And I could be wrong - and I'm sure madscntst will correct me if I am - but I don't think Depp has ever been on the show before. Though considering Ellen is produced by WB TV and the show premiered the first trailer, I suppose it's not a surprise that he'll be on the show to promote DS.
And I agree, borgosi and Uncle Roger - anything is possible in the DS universe. [ghost_wink]
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I was just finally watching Friday's Ellen and they promoted that Johnny Depp will be on in May. And I could be wrong - and I'm sure madscntst will correct me if I am - but I don't think Depp has ever been on the show before.
Nope, he never has! He did the old Rosie show several times, Oprah once, and of course both Leno and Letterman multiple times. Even Arsenio back in the day. But not Ellen, and I think it'll be a great fit! (Not that I ever watch Ellen, unless I'm home sick from work or something, but I just like her laid-back banter and think it'll be fun. I did hear that he'd be on, but I haven't heard of a date yet, so hopefully we'll know soon!
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Eva Green will be the lead guest on Jimmy Kimmel Live on Wednesday May 2 according to The Late Night TV Page - Talk Show Guest Listings http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html
This site also has advance guest lists for four of the major daytime talk shows including Ellen and could be useful in the coming weeks.
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Time to play catch-up!
If you had seen the film after having seen the trailer, would you have been more receptive to it? I think a lot of us lowered expectations after seeing that trailer. Having now seen and having coming to terms that this will have a lot of comedy, would you be pleasantly surprised by the final product or still as disappointed?
First of all, I had no interest in seeing the movie even before any of the photos or trailers appeared. If I had seen the trailer as a naive viewer, I probably would have been so horrified by the campy, spoofy tone that I would have wanted to go into seclusion until after the movie's theater run had ended to avoid being exposed to the publicity and the fan furor surrounding it. I certainly would not have been interested in seeing a DS comedy. Granted that what I saw was not a final cut of the film, and that there certainly were things that I liked about the movie, I still didn't care for the product as a whole either as a representation of DS or as a movie on its own merits. I'm not sure how the final version might be an improvement.
Based on the AintitCool review, it does sound like there may have been significant changes to the film. For example, [spoiler]this review and the movie plot descriptions posted elsewhere (e.g., imdb) describe Barnabas as a stuck-up womanizer. However, none of that was apparent to me from the all-too-brief prologue and without the studio-issued plot summary, I would not have guessed that was the person the character was supposed to be. Perhaps the final cut has added some scenes to flesh out the prologue?
I agree with the reviewer's assessments of the characters. Haley's Willie Loomis is very different from Karlen's portrayal, but he was still one of my favorite characters in the movie, after Elizabeth and Vicki. Chloe Grace Moretz plays moody, hostile teenage Carolyn (think of how the character acted in the pre-Barnabas storyline) very believably; I simply don't care for moody teenagers, so her character, though well-played, didn't do anything for me. I didn't feel any special bond between her and Barnabas either (unlike the interactions between Barnabas and David), so either Derek has a different perception than I do, or more scenes were added to the film.[/spoiler]
Mysterious Benefactor, I enjoyed reading the blurb you posted about Sleepy Hollow. While I agree that it has some funny scenes (moments of humor primarily derived from tension over the situations the characters are in), I have never thought of this movie as a "funny comedy" so Depp's description of it as such was surprising.
I did attend Seth Grahame-Smith's panel at the Festival of Books this morning and hope to have a summary ready to post tomorrow.
ProfStokes
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Thanks so much for the response, ProfStokes. I really do appreciate it. I want to enjoy this movie, because it has been so long since we've seen anything new from the realm of Dark Shadows. I want it to be respectful to the original and to get the tone somewhat "right." I am glad that you agree with the AICN article in some respects. And I am glad you enjoyed those characters, as those are some of my favorites. The one character you mention that you didn't seem to enjoy doesn't bother me that much, as I never really cared for this particular reinvention either. (I've always been a fan of the original take on her, but subsequent ones have fallen into the category of "She's just there" and "I don't really need to care about her in this version of the story.")
Well, it's only a few weeks now and I will finally get to be pleasantly surprised or somewhat disappointed. Thanks again for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully.
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There are now so many instances of Dark Shadows commercials appearing on television (examples from last night included the Fox 25th Anniversary special and during the airing of The Dark Knight) that I don't typically take notice, but I did notice scenes that I haven't seen before, including one where Barnabas talks about how the Collins family is known for holding the biggest balls (yes, I'm aware of the double entendre). There's also a scene where Elizabeth is in the foreground shuddering, presumably after an interaction with Angelique (who appears in the background to be talking with Barnabas).
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I haven't seen that one yet - and I didn't record either of those. But hopefully it will show up during another program this week - or on YouTube...
Though for all I know I may already have a recording of it during a show that I haven't watched yet...
Thanks for the heads up. [ghost_smiley]
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Happy to help. I was still feeling a bit guilty of pointing out the appearance during college basketball games only to have them "take a day or two off" and stop airing them. [ghost_cheesy]
In that latest commercial, Roger responds to Barnabas' line about big balls with something akin to "not THAT'S what I'm talking about!" So, in other words, there's still more humor waiting to be played out...
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I was still feeling a bit guilty of pointing out the appearance during college basketball games only to have them "take a day or two off" and stop airing them. [ghost_cheesy]
There's no need to feel bad about that. [ghost_nowink] You can't mind read when the TV spots are going to show up. If only you could. [ghost_grin]
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I had meant to mention that I had the occasion to attend the 40th anniversary celebration of the Oakland Athletics World Series win from 1972 this weekend at the Oakland Coliseum. They played music that came out in 1972 between innings. Several songs that we've heard from the commercials and trailers appeared, though enough other ones that weren't featured (like Yes' Roundabout, Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven and America's Horse With No Name all come to mind) made me a bit wistful about what could have been instead of using things like Barry White's You're The First, The Last, My Everything, which didn't come out until 1974.
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So are you guys telling me that Tim Burton/Johnny Depp left DS in a way that there is no possibility for a sequel. I find that quite odd. He always wanted to play Barnabas Collins. I cannot see how in the world he would not want to play him again??? That makes no sense to me at all. I find myself a little sad if this is true. :( However, I don't want to read spoilers so I guess I will just have to wait and see???
If it is a huge hit. I cannot in any way shape or form imagine the WB not wanting to capitalize on that. However, this is Dark Shadows. So unless the whole cast is killed off like in HODS then I guess we have no way of having a sequel unless David and Carolyn are left and they are the new generation? Kind of speechlesss. Again though, this is Dark Shadows. I guess anything can happen. I also heard that you should watch the movie until the credits are over. Is this true? I may have read this here.
Loved WIDOWS HILL! Amazing, thanks for the post. If anyone can allude to how their couldn't be a sequel I would love to know. However, I don't want to know spoilers so I guess that isn't possible?
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From 'Dark Knight' to 'Dark Shadows': The 10 Most Anticipated Summer Movies (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/slideshow/prometheus-dark-shadows-10-most-anticipated-summer-movies-37190)
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honestly taeylor it would be nearly impossible to tell why many are doubting the possibility of sequels withought giving away the spoilers.
but again nobody at this board with one exception has actually seen the movie so opinions are being based on the information available which of course is limited.
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Michelle Pfeiffer’s ‘Dark Shadows’ Style Is A Family Affair (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/331279/20120420/michelle-pfeiffer-dark-shadows-jewelry-rona.htm)
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I also heard that you should watch the movie until the credits are over. Is this true? I may have read this here.
I think anybody who watched House of Dark Shadows all the way through the very end could see that there was a hint of keeping it open for a sequel that would continue the same story. Nothing that I've heard through the spoilers about the new DS make me think it is closing itself off from the possibility of a sequel.
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Yes I do remember them hinting at the end of HODS that there could be a sequel. Although, I wasn't for sure how that would happen with only Elizabeth and David left standing. Perhaps, they both would have been dead in the follow up to HODS and Barnabas would reek havoc on a new family.
I just remember in one article that Michelle P said she would love sequels and I am sure she read all the script. Also, didn't Seth Grahmn mention the fact that their is tons of "source material"
Thanks for the glimmer of hope KMR! :)
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From 'Dark Knight' to 'Dark Shadows': The 10 Most Anticipated Summer Movies (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/slideshow/prometheus-dark-shadows-10-most-anticipated-summer-movies-37190)
Take a close look at Barnabas' neck in the pic they have there. Unless my eyes are deceiving me, there's detail I never noticed in any of the other stills. This makes me have hopes for a more intriguing appearance to Barnabas up on the big screen! (Maybe I will opt for the IMAX presentation at the midnight show...)
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Mysterious Eva Green (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/news/mysterious-eva-green-16148253.html)
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In that latest commercial, Roger responds to Barnabas' line about big balls with something akin to "not THAT'S what I'm talking about!" So, in other words, there's still more humor waiting to be played out...
Ugh.
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Though it doesn't necessarily follow that those two lines even go together in the film. We certainly know how whoever put together the trailers/TV spots has a penchant for taking dialogue out of context and putting it together to give an entirely different impression. Though that's hardly unique to DS because it seems as if it's actually common procedure in the industry these days.
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Still... I was hoping we could avoid further humor about the human body in this film... And you just know where SGS was going with that line. [ghost_tongue]
The similar line in Charlie didn't get any laughs at my theater (except for one obnoxious giggle in the back row), so why do it again? I was actually getting used to the humor and then they throw this out there. [ghost_closedeyes]
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Actually, given Grahame-Smith's MTV series The Hard Times of RJ Berger, I'm more surprised there isn't much worse. And honestly, it's all in the way it's played more so than in the way it's written (as we learned with the "You cannot imagine how thirsty I am" line, which was originally described as being quite comical, though it doesn't come across that way to me at all), so I'm looking forward to seeing how Depp delivers the line.
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And that is exactly why I am worried again. Just how much will the movie go for standard juvenile humor and how much will it strive for sophisticated and/or black comedy? Because I can accept black comedy, dry wit, and the like in Dark Shadows (I mean it's in the original!), but I can only stand the other to a point. And with these two known lines, I am at that point. [ghost_wink]
So, I am hoping for the best...
Just keep hoping. Just keep hoping. Hoping. Hoping. Hoping. Hoping. [ghost_cheesy]
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And you just know where SGS was going with that line. [ghost_tongue]
My first thought went to the AC/DC song, but that came out in 1976, and hasn't yet been mentioned in the sound track. Then again, Barnabas does appear to quote Love Story to the hippies. It's unclear whether he will have been aware of that movie before he encounters them.
Oh, and I just noticed my apparent typo. Roger says "now" instead of "not"
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Then again, Barnabas does appear to quote Love Story to the hippies. It's unclear whether he will have been aware of that movie before he encounters them.
I can only assume that he heard the line from someone else previously. Perhaps he even heard it right then from the people he's speaking to? To have Barnabas use such an iconic line entirely on his own would be totally at odds with the "fish out of water" scenario the filmmakers are trying to create.
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Who knows - Barnabas could learn the Love Story line in any number of ways from his relationship with Carolyn.
And I'm glad you pointed out the typo, usffan, because "not" and "now" make a difference. (It would also seem to make it far more likely that Barn's and Roger's lines don't actually belong together and the editors are once again making a joke in the TV spot that in and of itself may not even exist in the film - well, at least not in the way the TV spot makes it appear as if it does.) But don't be upset that you made the typo in the first place because, well, we all make them from time to time. [ghost_smiley]
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What do we make of this? (Sorry if this book has already been discussed/dissected/explained away ...)
Found this on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Art-Film/dp/1781162557/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335223296&sr=1-11
Dark Shadows the Art of the Film [Hardcover]
# Hardcover: 176 pages
# Publisher: Titan (May 8, 2012)
# ISBN-10: 1781162557
# ISBN-13: 978-1781162552
Sounds intriguing, but there's no cover or any other real details either ...
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The book was announced a few months back - but with no more details than there presently are. And the only site that seems to list a price is the UK version of Amazon:
Dark Shadows the Art of the Film (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dark-Shadows-Art-Film/dp/1781162557/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335223603&sr=1-1)
There was speculation that perhaps the book is only being published in the UK and will only be available in the US as an import, but who knows? [ghost_undecided] And with so short a time left before the release, it's definitely odd that still so little is known about it...
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I'm sure I shall want it. Sigh.
(Thanks, MB!)
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As for me, knowing that Barnabas will say the line from Love Story - "Love means never having to say you're sorry" - again makes me want to see this movie all the more. As a historian (who no longer makes any money off of it), I love nostalgia. The trailers show lava lamps, Deliverance playing in the local Collinsport cinema (a movie I and friends managed to see by sneaking into our local theater because it was R-rated), all of it, is capturing me, even if much of it is done in a "humurous vein" - just as our late, great Jonathan Frid called one of his books. Those were memorable times. I remember when we, as high schoolers, went to see American Graffiti. The era depicted existed when we were very young (I was just a kindergartner, so that answers the film's motto of "where were you in '62?" but I remembered it well in 1972 when the film came out). That film had a great deal of comedy, but none of it was designed to denigrate - that's the way things were back in '62. Having a vampire, inculturated in 1772, dealing with 1972 is, to me, brilliant and would be funny.
As for whether or not the film will allow for a sequel - or not - remember, this is Dark Shadows. It doesn't matter if characters are offed or not or whatever. They were in the original and yet they always came back for more. As Mrs. White tells her daughter, Carrie (and, ironically, Chloe Moretz/Carolyn Collins Stoddard will be doing the main role in another cinematic re-telling of Stephen King's classic novel [note I did not say remake]): "Sin never dies....Sin never dies."
Gerard
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perhaps barnabas and vicki go see 'love story' on their first date...
wouldn't that be sweet. [ghost_smiley]
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Scans from the DS issue of Rue Morgue:
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/VictoriaVanDort/Rue%20Morgue%20Caps/
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Great still of Barnabas and Liz. Thanks for sharing the scans. [ghost_smiley] I'll definitely have to pick up a copy the next time I'm in Barnes & Noble. [ghost_wink]
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http://wearemoviegeeks.com/2012/04/wamg-interview-kathryn-leigh-scott-dark-shadows-star/
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As always, thanks to everyone for sharing these very interesting articles and scans! I don't know where I can purchase Rue Morgue, as BN doesn't seem to carry it. Might have to go online. That's the best DS cover yet!
Incidently IMDB has DS listed at 20 now. TV spots?
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My Barnes & Noble carries it because I was looking at last month's issue last Monday when I was there. Did you call your store to ask?
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No, but I have never seen it there. (Maybe they are just really limited?) I have been going once a week since February and they just have the 4 traditional Monsters mags and the Special Edition of Scary Monsters. I know Borders used to carry it, but I have never seen in at my BN. But I will definitely ask them.
Let us know when you are able to track one down, MB.
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If Barnes & Noble doesn't carry it, try a comic book shop. That's the kind of magazine they often have.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I know that my local Suncoast (FYE) used to carry it, but they closed up shop. If BN doesn't pan out, I will be in the yellow pages! [ghost_grin]
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Well, I didn't come across the new TV spot that usffan saw during anything that I watched today or was told about. The 1st 30 second spot was on during last night's ep of Once Upon A Time and again during tonight's edition of Extra. And there was something new during tonight's Dancing With The Stars - but it was the what I'm presuming was the 1st 15 second spot. And while it didn't have any new scenes, it did have new graphics:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/10-1.jpg)
Click for larger image: 1st Graphic (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/10-1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/10-2.jpg)
Click for larger image: 2nd Graphic (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/10-2.jpg)
And I suppose those were needed to get the point across so quickly.
And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the added exposure of the TV spots, both on TV and online, didn't help the film shoot up from #75 (where it was last week) to #20 on this week's MOVIEmeter on IMDb.
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Perhaps I spoke too soon. I'm was too tired to watch all of tonight's installment of The Voice, but I scanned though the commercial breaks and lo and behold I discovered a new 30 second spot which does include the remark about the Collinses holding balls - but the comment isn't followed by the remark from Roger. The other new stuff actually includes Carolyn putting a record on her turntable, Barnabas asking Carolyn how to court a present day woman and her giving him advice, new stuff with the hippies (it's actually the hippies he tells that he's spent two centuries locked in a box), a sequence where Carolyn looks like she's frightened out of her mind, and finally one where Barnabas looks completely disgusted. And I do have to say that when it comes to the line about the balls, the double entendre probably is intended, but it isn't played up in any way - the line is delivered perfectly straightforwardly - and during one of the many scenes at the dining room table.
I'm not sure whether or not I'll post any captures or video tonight because, like I said, I'm tired - plus my computer is running something that's going to take at least another 30 minutes to complete. So most likely nothing will show up until some point tomorrow...
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I attended my first Los Angeles Festival of Books yesterday. One of the biggest draws for me was the "Bump in the Night" supernatural fiction panel at 11:30 featuring Seth Grahame-Smith, Richard Kadrey, Deborah Harkness, and Melissa de la Cruz. I even reserved my ticket in advance online, expecting the panel to sell out. The audience was large, but by no means was the panel standing room only. Paul Tremblay, who was brought out from Boston specifically to moderate the panel, mostly addressed the authors individually with specific questions about their work rather than inviting them to discuss the genre or the writing process in general. Personally, I found that approach less accessible, since I'd never read any of the panelists' books and couldn't fully follow the details of the discussion. However, I'm sure the authors appreciated the opportunity to discuss--and pitch--their particular works.
SGS got the most panel time. The moderator introduced him as the author of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Unholy Night, "and the script for Tim Burton's new movie, Dark Shadows." At this point, there was a brief hush, followed by whistling and a smattering of applause from the audience (I don't know if this was on behalf of DS or Tim Burton). Behind me, a young woman said, "I want to see that!" So there is some positive anticipation for the film.
Tremblay then began describing the plot of SGS's new book, Unholy Night. "You decided it wasn't enough to piss of Jane Austen fans. Now you've made the Bible gritty...Will you have to go into hiding like Salman Rushdie?" Grahame-Smith laughed and spoke of his surprise at how accepting the reading public is of his work. "Jane Austen fans have a sense of humor. I even got a call from Doris Kearns Goodwin telling me she loved Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter." He explained the rules he established for himself with Unholy Night: 1) The name "Jesus" is never mentioned. 2) The Jesus character is only two weeks old in the novel and never says anything, obviating the problem of putting words in Christ's mouth, and 3) whenever Mary and Joseph appear, they are paragons of virtue. The story is primarily about Balthazar's journey from doubt to faith, and not an attempt to mock the Bible.
Fellow panelist, Richard Kadrey, joked, "I think Seth is going to make the most money of any of us; they can't return your books to the store once they've burned them!" "But will I be alive to get the royalties?" Seth wondered.
Grahame-Smith acknowledged that his works have a "somewhat absurd premise, but the more absurd your premise, the more grounded your execution has to be. What really pulls you through the narrative is character. You have to give them an emotional landscape that feels real. You don't give Lincoln the Mel Brooks treatment." He explained his inspiration for Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter: "I was doing a tour in the summer of 2009, the Centennial of Lincoln's birthday, and in every bookstore I went to, the biggest displays up front were biographies of Lincoln and vampire novels. I thought, 'If you could find some way to combine the two, you'd have a license to print money!'"
When asked about the experience of screenwriting, particularly adapting his own novel for the screen , SGS made some comments that I thought were very revealing. "When you're an author, you're God. You get to do whatever you want and you don't have to explain yourself to anybody--except maybe arguing with your editor a little. But when you're a screenwriter, you really have to service the vision of the director, even on your own book." (my emphasis) Even though he was speaking of his experience with ALVH, I suspect the same was true of DS.
When the moderator opened the floor for the audience's Q&As, one of the first questions asked was why horror continues to be so appealing to people. SGS shared his theory about why we love scary things. "Thousands of years ago, our ancestors faced constant danger. They had to go out and kill their food. Today, in our modern world of creature comforts, we lack scares but we still have a physical need for them. Horror fills that need. It's an affirmation of life." He added that supernatural creatures also appeal to our specific psychological needs. "Vampires have an aspirational quality. They don't have to die. What would you do with all of that time? We wonder about having the powers of angels and witches. What would we do with them?" All of the panelists agreed that human beings are often the scariest creatures in their works. "The monsters may want to kill you, but they aren't responsible for wanting to kill you," SGS explained. "Look at one of the earliest horror stories: Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. The monster was happily resting in his coffin--a brain over here, a skull over there. He didn't ask to be created; it was the scientist's fault. Man creates the monsters. We did this to ourselves."
A young girl who is a student in the creative writing program and enjoys reading and writing genre stories complained about how the more serious writers look down on her. "It's like if you can't quote Kafka and Proust, you're not worth anything. Do you have that problem with your work?" The authors counseled her not to let people put her in a box. "People are always trying to label me. I'm 'the mash-up guy,'" SGS observed. "In academia, you get looked down on, but not by the general public. Look at all the popular movies that have magic, the supernatural, or superheroes in them."
The panelists were also asked how long it takes them to research their works. SGS explained that he does a lot of research prior to writing. "I try to really know my history before I destroy it."
From the lengthy interview with SGS that was reposted here a couple of weeks ago, I had anticipated a big personality, someone loud and outspoken. On the contrary, this Sunday morning, Mr. Grahame-Smith seemed the most reserved of anyone on the panel. He was always the first to respond to questions addressed to the panel, but when he wasn't speaking, he leaned back in his chair, arms crossed and a neutral expression on his face instead of smiling expectantly into the microphone like Deborah Harkness and Maria de la Cruz. Maybe he was tired, or he's not much of a morning person? I thought he was a good speaker, both witty and self-deprecating. He knows his success is unlikely and appreciates it for that very reason.
When the panel concluded, the authors headed outside to covered tents to sign their books. A dealer's table was set up in the lobby of the building where the panel had been held, and audience members quickly lined up to start buying books. I was reluctant to buy anything myself, but I did want to meet SGS, so after hemming and hawing and seeing that only one copy of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter was left (the other titles had all sold out), I took it as a sign and bought the book. (If it was good for Doris Kearns Goodwin, it's good enough for me). SGS had the longest line of all--in fact, the other four authors had long since departed by the time I got into line--and he continued signing for a full hour after the panel ended. He was an excellent sport; although we were supposed to limit ourselves to three items, several people had entire stacks of books with them (one woman had multiple editions of P&P & Zombies in addition to hard- and paperback versions of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter) and he signed them all. He also posed for pictures and chatted leisurely with the fans.
When I finally reached the front of the line, SGS greeted me warmly and thanked me for standing so long in line. He seemed much more animated than when he'd spoken on the panel (maybe SGS is more comfortable in one-on-one interactions than in speaking to a huge audience?) I told him I was pleasantly surprised to see him at the FOB, considering how busy he is these days. "You've got to do the Festival of Books. You can't miss it!" he enthused. "You get to meet so many people. It's a real ego booster." I asked him how much of DS he had seen for research purposes before working on the script. "I had a couple of the boxed sets, the compilation discs, and the compendiums. (Kathy Resch's Concordances?) It wasn't possible to watch the entire series." I remarked that I had seen one of the movie preview screenings and could tell that he'd done his homework from the number of more obscure series references in the film. "We're just finishing the final cut of the film now," he confirmed. The ending has been finalized and "it is very dark." :) "I'm so excited for you that you'll get to see the final product in just a couple more weeks!" He was so genial, I didn't have the heart to admit that I wasn't crazy about his movie. We shook hands and I wished him luck with all of his projects before heading to my next panel on the other side of campus.
I came away with a positive impression of the author. I think Grahame-Smith is very sincere about his work (even if he often uses a goofy premise as a jumping off point) and tries to put his subjects in a positive light. I believe he tried to do right by the DS fans and, while I'm not happy about the tone and direction of the movie, I don't think he was deliberately irreverent with the material.
I'd love to hear privately from people who do see the movie how the ending turned out in the final cut. I'm curious to see if my interpretation was correct.
ProfStokes
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MB, you know we look forward to both with great relish, but understand that you have to have a break every now then. [ghost_wink]
ProfStokes, what an interesting experience that must have been. Your post was written just like an episode of Dark Shadows, providing us little clues about what was going to happen until the payoff in the big finale. I just knew that we would end up getting a nice visit with SGS. [ghost_wink] I am pleased to know that you took away a positive impression. I was pleased to hear him say that the ending was very dark. I suppose the backlash to the humor ended up causing some changes after all? It would have been great had some of this humor been left on the cutting room floor, but I guess none of us will know for sure just how dark it will end up being until the final cut is released. I'm sure you will hear about it from someone who gets to see a midnight show, but, if not, I'd be willing to share the ending with you after I see it.
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Quite an interesting article there, Prof. Stokes. SGS comes across as very charming and friendly. Please post your comments on the book after you've read it.
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So I heard back from my Hollywood friend. This person couldn't reveal a lot, but had this to say:
"My friends who are working on Dark Shadows all seem really excited about it. It is a different interpretation of the source. They are enthusiastic about it and think original fans will like the film despite the fact that it is different."
And in answer to the big question about the genre...
This person said it was a "dark comedy. There are funny things, but the film is true to the elements of the original."
But, after the latest round of TV spots, I think we saw it going in that direction. Again, this person is extremely reliable and knows people who worked on the actual post-production. So I think that answers all of my questions about what to expect from the final product. Expectations slightly lowered, but not by much.
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Sorry cousins that I was so excited and sort of upset that the movie supposedly doesn't leave it open for there to be sequels; however, I feel that Mr. Burton could have possibly shot two or maybe three different endings. IF they are just finishing up the final cut then a lot could have changed since Prof. Stokes saw the movie.
I do feel that the test audience's probably wanted the movie to be a bit more dark and perhaps they will darken it up more.
And I really don't know why I was upset. This is DS after all, anything can happen. I mean in HODS Barnabas was staked and I mean IMPALED, yet as the film ended he turned into a bat and flew away and we all know there would have been a sequel if Frid would have done it. So anything is possible in the world of Dark Shadows.
I also want to add that MB sent a nice calming note to me. I have no doubt that WB would love to see a franchise out of DS.
Perhaps, if we do get sequels, even if Tim cannot direct them he would probably produce them. He could use the first movie as a guide post for what tone he would like for all the sequels if they were directed by others.
If the movie is a big hit; I can totally see Johnny wanting to play Barnabas again. He loves and adores this character. I wasn't in the "run home from school" generation but he certainly was and I am sure he would have no qualms stepping back into Barnabas shoes.
I think if everyone has been reading my posts all the past months my biggest qualm with the DS fans is that Dark Shadows needs fresh blood injected into it. Many times I have said, the cast is getting older (and this week we have learned that are not the immortal gods we see them as) the first generation fans are getting older. I guess I would be second generation fan and I am getting older. So we need fresh blood in Dark Shadows fandom.
I hate that Jonathan passed away; yet it seems like his love/hate affair with Barnabas came full circle. He become a part of the world's lexicon by portraying Barnabas Collins and he ended his life by making a cameo in the new Dark Shadows movie. I am sure that Jonathan, KLS, Lara and David all read the script and if they can accept a new version of DS why can't we give it a shot? I think it would be a great honor to Mr. Frid's life to go out on May11 and see Dark Shadows. Whether you leave the movie loving it, hating, feeling indifferent toward it at least you will have contributed to the legacy of Dark Shadows and the legacy of Mr. Jonathan Frid and our original actors who play in the movie. A lot of re imaginings don't even ask the originals to be their re imagined works; yet Johnny and Tim had the grace and love for these four people and asked them to come spend three days with them and step into the Dark Shadows again. It seems that Mr. Frid wasn't feeling all that well even then so if he could take great effort to fly to London at 87; then I can go to the theater on May 11 2012 and see what DS has in store for me.
I also ask myself why can the classics which DS ripped off many times can be retold on screen and on stage over and over; yet the classic that is Dark Shadows shouldn't be touched as some claim?
I don't feel anyone is trying to improve upon anything that was produced in the original Dark Shadows. I feel that Johnny and Tim are just trying to introduce DS to another generation just like they were introduced to DS 46 years ago and I was introduced to DS 21 years ago.
For me when I go to the movie I feel like I will be perpetuating the DS legacy and also Mr. Frid's legacy. All I am asking is that each and every one of us keep an open mind and heart!
Also, I have a friend who is taking pictures all over NYC and Dark Shadows is on subway stations, it's has a huge billboard in time square and it seems DS is all over NYC on buses and just everywhere. That is amazing to me because that is where DS began. It seems so fitting.
Also my brother wrote to me from Philly yesterday and sent me a photo of Julia Hoffman and her 60's poster plain as day by a bus stop. He was excited because He and I, and my two cousins made our own Dark Shadows movie in the 90's which I hope to upload to Youtube one day. My bro was the camera man, makeup man, and stand in. I played both Barnabas and Petofi and when the camera needed to show me he stood in for me (a gray wig with Petofi and we both have the same color red hair) as Petofi and Barnabas. My cousin Amber played Julia and my other cousin played Carolyn. What great fun it was. We made a great movie for 13 year old kids. I will post it on YouTube when I figure out how to. It of course ends on a cliffhanger. My aunt wouldn't allow my cousin to be in them anymore because she thought the show was evil. So we moved on to THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN & BIONIC WOMAN. My brother had went to college by then and all of my friends got involved. We shot TSMDM & TBW over the course of a week. We got up at 8 am and worked until 6 pm. One fight scene took all day to rehearse and then film. My friend and I spent 10 hours straight editing the movie. We lived in a small town and had nothing to do so did movies to pass the time. We worked really hard on that movie and I have to say for the technology we had then it turned out pretty damn well. I will post it as soon as I figure out how!
Sorry I am so talkative tonight. Just so excited about Dark Shadows.
PS...thank you everyone for the links. Thank your for the caps MB. And thank you to MB and Midnite for running such a wonderful board.
You guys are great moderators and put so much love, time and effort into DS. I bow to you guys!
Peace and love,
Taeylor
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Thanks ProfStokes for your description of the Festival Of Books. I've heard one radio interview of SGS and agree that he comes across as very down to earth and pleasant. I've liked his few interviews in the written press, as well. I imagine his lack of animation on the panel may have to do with not wanting to speak in front of crowds. I can definitely identify with that. I was extremely shy as a kid, and my worst fear was that the teacher would pick on me to answer a question, or that I would have to give a speech in front of the class. As an adult, as a research scientist, I have to give presentations to groups at least once or twice a year, and after doing it so many times I've gotten used to it to some extent, but the feeling never completely goes away. I have been told I appear to be very calm and natural, and I feel *mostly* calm, but definitely not natural. Whereas if I am explaining something to someone one-on-one, I feel totally different. Perhaps SGS is a little like that.
I read Abraham Lincoln-Vampire Hunter last year while on vacation with my sister. She was mocking me for reading a book with such a title, and at first I thought it was going to be just a lark. But as I got into it I thought it was quite well done and actually pretty serious- at least as much a historical novel as a horror one. I told her that she would probably like it if she could just get past the title, but she wasn't buying it :) I don't know if it'll be your cup of tea, ProfStokes, but I hope it'll be worth the purchase. I myself look forward to the movie.
Thanks MB and all for your descriptions of the new TV spot. I haven't seen it yet but I've been seeing various TV spots more often lately, even though I'm not watching a great deal of TV right now. Johnny and Tim do like to make little off-color puns, and as MB described, often they're not played for out-loud laughs, but rather in the vein of making you think, "wait, did they just say that?" I just think that it's part of their sense of humor, for better or for worse- I myself love 99% of them and do have about 1% that I groan at- hopefully DS will be more among my 99%!
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I haven't been watching much TV or actively seeking out trailers, but I saw one last night with some things that I haven't seen mentioned here. One is Liz with the shotgun and the other shows Barnabas standing with his back or shoulders on fire. Someone offscreen (Liz, perhaps) says "do you know you're on fire?" then he's doused with a bucket of water.
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Thanks ProfStokes for the panel interview review. That was very entertaining and informative. Thanks CB for your friends assistance.
Thanks Taeylor Collins for your spirited post.
I am pretty sure this movie was written and filmed as a stand alone movie. I don't think SGS was told something like "leave room for a sequel". I am sure the studio would like to make sequels if it turns out to be a big hit. However, this is DS so I agree anything is possible.
Another poll: http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/summer-movies-2012-best-non-action-movie/
http://www.examiner.com/article/dark-shadows-and-it-s-link-to-tarrytown-n-y
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Wow - I think DS is winning that poll - it currently has 70.37% of the vote. [ghost_cool]
Thanks for the links, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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Here are the first 3 screen captures from the new 30 second TV spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000030.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #30 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000030.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000050.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #50 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000050.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000084.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #84 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000084.jpg)
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Here are the next 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000128.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #128 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000128.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000174.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #174 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000174.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000214.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #214 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000214.jpg)
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And the next 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000292.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #292 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000292.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000356.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #356 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000356.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000373.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #373 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000373.jpg)
It's amusing that Carolyn tells Barnabas that he's too weird and should hang around with some "normal people," and then we see him with the hippies. [ghost_grin]
And the stretching sequence coincides with Barn telling the hippies about having spent two centuries locked in a box. His stretching goes on much longer than we've seen before.
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And the final 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000473.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #473 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000473.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000515.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #515 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000515.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000572.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #572 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000572.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000646.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #646 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/11000646.jpg)
In this version, after Barnabas makes the "biggest balls" remark, we see the mirror ball crash, Carolyn whirl around, Julia ask if he's for real, and Roger say "Yeah."
And speaking of Carolyn, when I was picking the capture I noticed stereo equipment on the sideboard, so she may actually be dancing and what looks like a frightened expression on her face could simply be a dancing expression. Or she may get frightened while she's dancing. I suppose we'll have to wait until we see the film to find out.
And this spot is the first time we see Alice Cooper through Barnabas' binoculars.
And as for video, it seems as if that will have to wait for a while because for some unknown reason my software is refusing to create it correctly. But hopefully I'll figure out why...
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Thanks for the reports, ProfStokes and Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley]
And thanks for the heads up, MysticScribe. Another new TV spot to look forward to - excellent! [ghost_cool]
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@wbpictures tweeted this at around 2 PM ET in reference to CinemaCon in Las Vegas:
#TimBurton brings out surprise guest #JohnnyDepp! #DarkShadows #CinemaCon
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I could have sworn that I read in one of the recent online articles that Warner Brothers was planning a DS presentation at CinemaCon. But yesterday when I checked the schedule for the entire event, I didn't see anything - and the only thing Burton seemed to do yesterday was present an award to Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter director Timur Bekmambetov. But apparently something is going on today.
Thanks for the heads up, MsCriseyde. [ghost_smiley]
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It was apparently listed as a general Warner Bros. Summer 2012 presentation. This is all I can find specifically about Depp:
@AmyKinLA: Johnny Depp surprised at #DarkShadows presentation. He was wearing dangly earrings & literally only said "have fun" #CinemaCon
But there was this earlier from Warner Bros:
@wbpictures: #Director #TimBurton says he was such a lousy student because he used to run home from school to watch #DarkShadows!
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It was apparently listed as a general Warner Bros. Summer 2012 presentation.
Not even that was listed on the schedule that I saw in the Hollywood Reporter yesterday. [ghost_rolleyes] Who knows why? [ghost_angry]
Thanks for the additional tweets. [ghost_smiley]
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Thanks for the captures, MB. And everyone else, thanks for the great links.
This looks like a different spot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4X9jQQzk90
On FB, DS has 228K fans. Compare that to the 1.1M that Avengers has. It has a ways to go to catch up. [ghost_cheesy]
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This looks like a different spot
That looks like the one usffan told us about. And I'm downloading a copy now. Thanks for the link. [ghost_smiley]
And speaking of spots, when I scanned through the commercials of three shows that I still haven't gotten the chance to watch, I discovered that this past Friday the 3rd 30 second spot ran during both Fringe and Supernatural, and the 2nd 30 second spot ran during Nikita.
On FB, DS has 228K fans. Compare that to the 1.1M that Avengers has. It has a ways to go to catch up. [ghost_cheesy]
Well, DS is never going to have the same amount as The Avengers has. DS just doesn't have the same sort of broad appeal that a superhero film does...
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It used to. [ghost_wink] Maybe after this... Or else the exact opposite will happen. We shall see.
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Yes, I think that's the one that came on the other night. I didn't get the wording right for Roger, but it was the same idea ("Exactly what I've been saying"). I hadn't remembered Willie's "Sorry. He's English" line, either.
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Even if this film is a big success, I don't think DS is going to reach the same level of across the board appeal that something like The Avengers or The Dark Knight has.
But getting back to the new video on YouTube, I love the look Liz seems to be giving Roger at the dining room table. I really do hope they bicker in similar ways to the way their relationship is on the original show. Joan Bennett used to throw some wonderful facial expressions at Louis Edmonds - and he to her.
And usffan, after only seeing something once, I doubt anyone expects that you could remember everything perfectly. [ghost_nowink]
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The more I'm seeing, the more fun this movie looks like it's going to be. I'm resigned to the fact that it will likely be very, very different from the DS that I had been dreaming of. I'll take it on its own terms and hopefully I'll enjoy the ride.
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Articles pertaining to the CinemaCon. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dark-knight-rises-cinemacon-johnny-depp-chris-nolan-tim-burton-315661
http://movies.about.com/b/2012/04/24/hobbit-footage-screened.htm
Thanks MB for the new wonderful captures and the other cousins for their conrtibutions.
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I guess I like crude humor but I thought the balls comment was HIGHlarious! ROFLMAO! It's so funny because Barnabas is totally serious and everyone else has their mind in the gutter including me. ;) Great spot!
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It took a few tricks but here's the link for the video of the 5th (the 4th being the one most recently posted to YouTube) 30 second TV spot:
The Voice_2012_04_23_19_59_00.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/The Voice_2012_04_23_19_59_00.mp4) (15.9MB)
I have 14 screen captures already selected/formatted from the YouTube version of the 4th 30 second spot, but I want to wait to see if by chance I get a copy of it during anything I record tonight because my version would be much better quality. But if not, I'll post what I've prepared as soon as I know that I don't have a copy.
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JUST SAW IT GUYS! ET on the set of Dark Shadows tomorrow. Lots of great behind the scenes stuff and interviews with Michelle, Johnny and Eva. Set your DVR's! Cannot wait
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It's about time. Thanks for the heads up, Taeylor. [ghost_smiley]
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Well, this latest trailer really does make me wonder if perhaps the whole Collins family does know Barnabas' secret.
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I just saw the ad for ET and their spot on DS tomorrow. I can't wait to see behind the scenes, and it definitely looks like we'll get to see things we haven't already from the various pictures and trailers that have come out over the past few weeks.
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Thanks so much for the latest video spot, MB! For some reason, I didn't get any audio when I tried to play it in Quicktime, but it worked just fine using VLC media player. I love Johnny's phrasing when he says the "biggest balls" line- I don't feel that it's too over the top [ghost_cool]
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Interesting - I just tried to play it in Quicktime and I can't get it to play at all - no video or sound - yet it plays perfectly in every other video player I have in Windows and Linux. How strange. [ghost_undecided] But considering how much trouble my video creating software was giving me to try to create it, I suppose I should count my blessings that Quicktime seems to be the only player with a problem...
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Well, this latest trailer really does make me wonder if perhaps the whole Collins family does know Barnabas' secret.
In the one for which MB provided an .mp4 file (thank you, MB!), Barnabas tells the group of hippies that he's been in a box for the last 200 years. In the latest YouTube one, you hear Barnabas say "I'm a vampire," and it's edited to appear that Willie responds, but it's impossible to tell who he says it to. In the Chinese commercial we've seen, he clearly tells the hippies that he's a vampire and that he now has to kill them all.
To be honest, I'm beginning to think that he might actually keep his secret largely intact to people he doesn't intend to bite.
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I think Elizabeth will know for sure. Possibly Victoria too unless he says he has a skin disease and that is why he has to go out in all kind of sunscreen and a umbrella. Can't wait till tomorrow! :)
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Thanks for taking the time to upload that, MB. Mine worked in VLC.
After seeing these most recent advertisements, my excitement for this project has actually waned a great deal.
But I think what really got me was this... (The top has the spoiler track titles, but if you scroll down to the bottom, you can hear the complete first track (8 mins).)
http://www.soundtrackgeek.com/v2/soundtrack-review-dark-shadows-2012/
Where is Cobert's theme? I don't hear it, and they have the whole prologue up. Okay, you can kind of hear influences in it (6:17 sounds familiar), but I don't hear enough of the notes together to satisfy me. Is it too much to ask for 25 seconds of a 50 minute score dedicated to the original theme song?
The music is good, but without the theme or any other whole musical composition from Cobert, it's just not Dark Shadows to me.
What gives me hope is the track "Shadows Reprise." It's 44 seconds long and it starts with the electronic "waves." Since it's a reprise of a song named "Shadows" which is not included anywhere on the score, I am hoping that said missing music will be in the final film - and whatever "Shadows" is in full form is actually the original theme song (with that dubstep sound). Cobert's theme would work great with that sound. And I don't think it's asking too much. But I am now 90% certain that the theme is not on this release. And now 60% sure it's not in the film, and that upsets me... to the point of disinterest actually.
Maybe something will come out to change my mind again, but the music was the selling point for me.
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Well I didn't get a copy of the 4th spot. In fact, I didn't see any spots during what I watched. However, I did hear from a friend that the spot MysticScribe told us about was shown during the series premiere of The L.A. Complex on the CW - though I didn't record that. But tomorrow's another chance...
Anyway, here are the first 3 screen captures from the new stuff in the 4th 30 second TV spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000140.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #140 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000140.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000148.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #148 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000148.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000328.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #328 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000328.jpg)
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And here are the next 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000359.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #359 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000359.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000373.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #373 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000373.jpg)
(It's interesting that Liz is wearing the same dress in those two caps as she is in the photo of her aiming the gun in the Sci Fi Magazine article. And she's also in the drawing room in that photo. So who knows what is going on?!)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000388.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #388 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000388.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000439.jpg)
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And here are the next 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000452.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #452 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000452.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000488.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #488 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000488.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000492.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #492 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000492.jpg)
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And here are the final 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000614.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #614 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000614.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000627.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #627 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000627.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/12000637.jpg)
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It's interesting because the more I see, the more intrigued I become - especially when it comes to what I'm seeing of Liz. I strongly suspect I'm going to absolutely love Michelle Pfeiffer's interpretation. And I'm getting really excited to see Jonny Lee Miller's Roger as well. His body language and facial expressions in some of the scenes and stills look to me to be dead on perfect.
And as far as the score goes, even though I absolutely love Robert Cobert's compositions for the original show, the original films, and the '91 DS, it doesn't disappoint me at all that none of it may appear in the film - mostly because I love what I've heard thus far of Danny Elfman's score, and I think it's a perfect fit for DS. Though all that being said, I can definitely understand and sympathize with those who were hoping for more of a Cobert presence. But for me the frequent back and forth between something of his will be used or possibly won't be used in the film got me to the point where I wasn't counting on anything of Cobert's being used. So, I'm not as disappointed as I would have been had I been counting on it.
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Oh, yes, I think Michelle and Bella will be great. I am sure other actors will excel as well. But the more bodily humor that pops up in the ads and the seeming lack of Cobert's theme (25 seconds is all I asked for) just makes me feel apathetic towards the project. And, as we all know, I had been looking forward to it for a long time. But we will see what the new trailer brings with it. If it's more of the same, I probably won't be rushing to the theater to watch this. If it actually brings something new to the table, I may be there opening weekend. At this point, I'm just sort of burnt out. I knew this wasn't going to be the DS I had hoped for, and I accepted that; but I was planning on a little more flavor of the original materializing than what I am seeing with the new ads and hearing in the soundtrack (which I think is beautiful and works well for something called Dark Shadows - but lacking in any of the following musical compositions: Dark Shadows, Shadows of the Night, Collinwood, Josette's Music Box, Cue 2... I just can't accept it as being Dark Shadows.) I hope that the theme is used in the final cut, and I hope that the tone is much more in line with what Burton et al are saying in the monster mags, but the latest batch of materials hasn't been able to keep my interest. But I will keep my eyes on this thread, searching for something to change my mind. You know I want to! [ghost_wink]
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Well, the Angelique's breasts bit is certainly overt, but the "biggest and most wonderful balls" remark is not. And as with the panties sequence, I do honestly think it's in keeping with Angelique character. It's taken to a more explicit place than we've previously seen - but it is well within character. And I have no problem with it being more explicit. Some of the stuff in the '91 DS was more explicit than the original show - and it's pretty much only to be expected things would be more explicit in a film.
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Seeing the amount of anxiety that exists for some DS fans about this movie, I'm curious how some of the tweaks were perceived among longtime fans when the 1991 series first aired. For example, were there debates about the changes to Maggie's character (the affair with Roger, her being a psychic) at festivals? I realize the internet and message boards didn't exist to whip emotions into a frenzy, but I don't remember this amount of trepidation for anything Dark Shadows in the past.
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Seeing the amount of anxiety that exists for some DS fans about this movie, I'm curious how some of the tweaks were perceived among longtime fans when the 1991 series first aired. For example, were there debates about the changes to Maggie's character (the affair with Roger, her being a psychic) at festivals? I realize the internet and message boards didn't exist to whip emotions into a frenzy, but I don't remember this amount of trepidation for anything Dark Shadows in the past.
Oh yes - reaction to the '91 DS was quite similar to what we're seeing today with the Depp DS film. It's just that it was played out in the various fanzines of the time rather than on the Internet. And it was often just as intense.
Nothing that's going on with this film is new for fandom...
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Well, the Angelique's breasts bit is certainly overt, but the "biggest and most wonderful balls" remark is not. And as with the panties sequence, I do honestly think it's in keeping with Angelique character. It's taken to a more explicit place than we've previously seen - but it is well within character. And I have no problem with it being more explicit. Some of the stuff in the '91 DS was more explicit than the original show - and it's pretty much only to be expected things would be more explicit in a film.
See I was fine with everything in 1991, because it was serious. (I actually love the 1991 series and watch it every year.) Granted, it may have been a little too serious at times, but some of this is just plain silly. I don't mind things being overt as long as there is a justifiable reason. The panties thing (as much as I don't like it in Dark Shadows) is fine. I get that it's in character for Angelique. The "biggest balls" comment just kind of falls into the same category as the "boob joke" for me. They're both coming from Barnabas, and I don't particularly care for him saying those things. And the more that Barnabas says these silly things (knowingly or unknowingly), the less happy I am with this characterization and the project as a whole. I think we all know I was hoping for these types of comments to be minimized (They could still be, but this marketing is not helping me believe that). Based on these commercials alone, if this project weren't called Dark Shadows, I wouldn't even bat an eye: It would be a definite "must miss" film for me. I was giving it a lot of leeway because I wanted to like it for the sake of our beloved show. (I may still.) But if something mind-blowingly fantastic doesn't pop up in the next few weeks, I'm probably going to sit the first weekend out. My excitement has dwindled and my hope is being chipped away.
I really, really like the score, and would be all over it if it were for a new project that wasn't based on a previous series where the music was as big of a character as the main vampire. Elfman's score is pretty fantastic, but it's nowhere near as beautiful as Bob Cobert's music for the 1991 series. And without the main theme, it just ends up falling flat as a score for Dark Shadows imo. I can enjoy it on its own, but the main theme (since we aren't getting Quentin's or Josette's) is really that important to me. Bob Cobert could have scored this thing with all new music and if he didn't include at least one of the classic themes, I'd have said the same thing. To be honest, I don't really need the Dark Shadows theme song in every Dark Shadows project. (I love NoDS and it doesn't have it.) But I need, at least, one of Cobert's main musical elements. Without one, it's like calling something Dark Shadows and not having a house called Collinwood. It's that important to me. And if I find out that it's in there, I'll be at the movie opening weekend for sure - no matter how many corny jokes Barnabas makes. [ghost_wink]
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Reaction to the 1991 series was just as severe when it came out. A lot of fans simply loathed it because it was different. It wasn't perfect. But there were several things about it that were as good or even better than the original series. I am trying to approach this movie with an open mind. If it's good, it will give me something to talk about. If it's bad, it will give me more to talk about.
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I look at the "balls" joke this way; Barnabas is dead serious. He doesn't think like the minds of the people of the 70's. He isn't saying it as a joke as far as I can tell. He is saying it in all seriousness. It's us the audience and the people of 1972 who are taking it as funny. So for me there is nothing out of character for Barnabas saying that. He is truly talking about the grand gatherings the Collins Famlies had; not an appendage! So in essence we are the ones laughing at this man who is totally out of his time....
I came to DS through the Revival so of course I loved it. I thought Maggie was much more interesting in the 1991 version for me. After she was turned into a OS Victoria clone I never cared for Maggie again. So when I compare them I think the 1991 Maggie is much more intriguing. I loved that she was pshychic and having an affair with Roger and that she was in the know about Laura. I thought that was some great cool inventive writing. And it was great way to keep Maggie in the serious after Victoria became the reincarnation of Josette. Just my thoughts of course....
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Say a snippet of Cobert's score is heard incidentally, barely noticeable, a television on in the background airing an episode of original series DS, for instance. With the idea of parallel time in mind, is there any way a scenario like this could play without sucking big wonderful balls?
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retzev...
[rofl10]
[9122]
That would make me very sad. I'd get my wish, but not exactly how I was hoping...
Allow me to rephrase... I want Cobert's theme in the actual film score. [ghost_cheesy] There... now the magic wishing lamp will not screw me over... I hope. [ghost_rolleyes]
I look at the "balls" joke this way; Barnabas is dead serious... So in essence we are the ones laughing at this man who is totally out of his time....
Oh I get that, Taeylor. But, like I said, knowingly or unknowingly, I feel that Barnabas needs to avoid making and being the butt of such jokes as these...
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I don't think this link has been posted here yet. There are some very nice pics.
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/dark-shadows/photos/dark-shadows-stills-slideshow-1810188255/#crsl=%252Fmovie%252Fdark-shadows%252Fphotos%252Fdark-shadows-stills-slideshow-1810188255%252Fdark-shadows-2012-warner-bros-pictures-photo-1334608045.html
Gerard
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I'm one of the few people who never really warmed up to the 1991 revival...I had people accusing me of not being a true DS fan, for which I resented (not talking about anyone on here, just people I know and speak to face to face). I respect the opinions of those who did enjoy the revival and would just appreciate that they would show me the same curtosy. I'll just always prefer the original show...but that's just my opinion.
I did at least give the revival a chance before I formed any opinions about it. I want to do the same with the movie. I might loathe the movie with a passion, or I might really really like it.
The movie's success shouldn't depend on whether or not Colbert's score is in it...it should be based on the acting and how the story plays out. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the original score on the soundtrack but honestly it's not a big deal for me if it isn't.
Just my two cents.
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With regard to the humor in the film in general, I and others have theorized based on things we've read or read between the lines in a few different articles that it may have been something Warner Brothers pushed for to get the film made - and the more articles I read, the more I'm thinking that could have indeed been the case. In one of the most recent articles (sorry that I can't check which one exactly because I've lent all the recent magazines I've purchased (with the exception of Fangoria, which is set aside in its bag in a drawer [ghost_wink]) to a friend - though I think it's Total Film) Burton actually goes so far as to say that initially the film was a tough sell with Warner Brothers and that he also got notes from them that things were too dark - and he makes the latter comment in such a way as to suggest that Warner Brothers could have asked for changes. Add to that that Seth Grahame-Smith was brought in to add humor to the script and the fact that Warner Brothers is emphasizing the humor in the film above everything else in every trailer and TV spot and the evidence for that theory being true would certainly seem to be mounting.
Would I have preferred a film with less humor? Probably? Would I have preferred no film rather than a film with humor? Too hard to answer without having see the film yet. But will the humor necessarily ruin the film? I'm not so sure - particularly because I do enjoy a good deal of the humor that I'm seeing in the trailers and TV spots- and one can't ignore that DC himself brought more overt humor to DS with the '91 DS. So I suppose for me what will make or break the film is how much of a flavor of DS it has both apart from the humor and within its humor. And if enough flavor is there, I'll probably have no trouble accepting it as DS. And I am seeing hinting flavors of DS in the trailers and TV spots, so that gives me hope that I will enjoy the film on its own terms and as something that does resemble DS. Not DS as we've seen it before. But DS nonetheless. Though I won't know that for sure until I've actually seen the finished film for myself...
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Hopefully Entertainment Tonight will also tip it's hat to Mr. Frid
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I don't know what to think. Every time I think it will get serious we hear a bad joke.
Hopefully we will see a lot more tonight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9wdUfjnEvE
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Hopefully Entertainment Tonight will also tip it's hat to Mr. Frid
Let's hope so.
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To be honest, I don't really need the Dark Shadows theme song in every Dark Shadows project. (I love NoDS and it doesn't have it.) But I need, at least, one of Cobert's main musical elements. Without one, it's like calling something Dark Shadows and not having a house called Collinwood. It's that important to me.
From what I've heard in the snippets made available, Elfman's score is packed with Cobert's style, and some of Cobert's themes are used verbatim. There is way, way, way more of Cobert than I had even dreamed there'd be.
Personally, I'm not all that terribly fond of the DS main title theme, so I won't miss it. But I can understand how someone else would feel completely differently. (For myself, I'm hoping that Cue #2 will show up somewhere!) But if the music that's there works, then I'm happy.
I'm reminded of when I first saw HODS back in 1970. I went with my cousin to see it, and she was asking if they'd be using the DS theme in the movie. I said they probably wouldn't, figuring that this was a new work, not the TV series, and there'd probably be all new music, but she disagreed. My cousin sat in the row in front of me, and right after the lion roared and the DS theme came on, she turned around and gave me a "Told you so!" smirk.
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Hopefully we will see a lot more tonight.
Thanks so much for tracking down and posting the link to the ET promo, jimbo. [ghost_smiley] I wasn't sure if I was going to get it myself because I've been having trouble with the channel I record ET on occasionally going off for some odd reason before ET comes on at midnight and not coming back before it repeats at 4am (a wonderful feature of my DVR is that it automatically searches for a repeat showing and schedules a recording on its own if there was a problem recording it the first time around). But I just checked and I did get it last night. And whoever posted that video on YouTube conveniently left off the intro and the comments they made afterward, so I suppose that means I'll have to post our own version of it (well, if my video creating software cooperates [ghost_wink]).
Tonight I'll be recording the show at 6pm on a completely different channel just to make sure there aren't any problems. [ghost_nowink]
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Reaction to the 1991 series was just as severe when it came out. A lot of fans simply loathed it because it was different. It wasn't perfect. But there were several things about it that were as good or even better than the original series. I am trying to approach this movie with an open mind. If it's good, it will give me something to talk about. If it's bad, it will give me more to talk about.
One could compare the new movie to that; however, the 1991 was a faithful adaptation with Dan Curtis at the helm. From what I've seen of the trailers, the movie is too comedic and doesn't have the same spirit at all. That's just my opinion of course but it's how I feel. I don't think one can adequately compare the 1991 series to this film since despite a few changes in regards to the original, the revival was a lush, Gothic romance and not a mockery that movie appears to be.
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the 1991 was a faithful adaptation with Dan Curtis at the helm. From what I've seen of the trailers, the movie is too comedic and doesn't have the same spirit at all. That's just my opinion of course but it's how I feel. I don't think one can adequately compare the 1991 series to this film since despite a few changes in regards to the original, the revival was a lush, Gothic romance
I don't think anyone meant to compare the '91 DS with the film. It's quite true that they're very different. However, there's no denying that despite the fact that they are very different DS projects, the critical reactions leading up to the '91 DS' debut most definitely resembled in way too many ways much of what we've been seeing with the new film. And even after the show had come on there were levels of criticism toward it from some corners of fandom that often came across to me as way too harsh. And if that sort of criticism is any indication, I'm expecting it to also be the case or even worse with the film.
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Very cool. Love the DS characters moving in the picture frames. The music wouldn't play in IE but worked in Chrome. http://apps.warnerbros.com/darkshadows/residents/
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From what I've heard in the snippets made available, Elfman's score is packed with Cobert's style, and some of Cobert's themes are used verbatim. There is way, way, way more of Cobert than I had even dreamed there'd be...
I know, and I really enjoy that. But I am a music purist, I suppose. And I love Cobert's full melodies. They are just as much a character as anyone.
Still have hope with the synth intro to "Shadows Reprise." It has got to reprise something... So maybe it's just not included in the score.
And, jimbo, that's really cool. I am glad they finally launched the full site. Thanks for sharing!
Really enjoyed the ET spot we saw.
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Oh my - I LOVE IT! [thumbleft] And Elfman's score snippets are the icing on the cake. [thumb] Thanks so much for the link, jimbo!!
Can't wait until I get the chance to explore it all...
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Wow, thanks for the link, jimbo! Very cool site! And the music score selections are longer than the ones on the Watertower Music site, helping me hold on while I wait for the CD to arrive...
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Thanks for the link jimbo!
I thoroughly enjoyed going through the site and looking at all the background images, portraits, and of course reading the information. Having Elfman's soundtrack play in the background as you read through the information provides a great experience when using the website.
I am very intrigued by the information that we learn by reading these character descriptions, particularly about (and I'll put this in spoilers in case someone doesn't want to know, though it's hardly sealed information) [spoiler]David's mother. The fact that they say she was lost at sea certainly opens the story up to a potential sequel or continuation of some sort if the topic isn't really delved into in the film, which I don't think it will be. Also, that David believes his mother is communicating with him but no one believes him save for Vicki. Speaking of Vicki, the mention of her possible mysterious connection to the family is very interesting, and hopefully will not go unanswered for in the final film. Of course, all the things surrounding David's mother could simply be the doing of Angelique, a way to control the family or something. Who knows?[/spoiler]
All of these new tidbits are definitely gearing up my excitement for the movie, more so than before.
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I also just forgot to mention that the placement of the characters on the website jimbo linked to is very interesting. How about the fact that David is the closest character in relation to Barnabas? What does this mean for their relationship in the film? Carolyn looks rather skeptical of Barnabas, as does Vicki. And the fact that Angelique is full out blocking Willie and Roger from the rest of the group suggests to me that perhaps they aren't as loyal to the family as one might think. Elizabeth and Julia's close proximity to Barnabas also seems to suggest an alliance of sorts, which many have already suspected for Liz's character since it seems she knows Barnabas' secret.
This is all pure speculation, of course, but it will be interesting to see if these small details play any part in relation to what actually occurs in the film.
Perhaps I'm simply grasping at straws?
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To be honest, I'm beginning to think that he might actually keep his secret largely intact to people he doesn't intend to bite.
In the latest TV spot, it's Barnabas' conversation with Carolyn that got me thinking that even she knows his true identity.
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I heard a commercial; tonight (Wed, 4/25) on Entertainment Tonight, there will be a feature on the new DS.
Patti
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I'm not so sure about that, but maybe. Though given the relationship they're supposed to share in the film, I could easily live with it if she does...
As for ET, don't expect too much because the segment is only 2 minutes long. And because it's one of ET's "Anatomy Of A Cast" segments, there isn't much in the way of interviews: Depp, Pfeiffer and Bonham Carter get to say a few sentences. Though there are two spoilers: one we'd already figured out - the other I suspected, though I also suspected that perhaps Carolyn was the one (and you'll understand what I mean when you see the segment). And there are lots of behind the scenes bits and pieces. However some of the bits that go by during the bumpers for the segment are not included in the segment itself. Nor is the remark Depp makes in the promo from yesterday's show. So, that might seem to indicate to me that this is probably only the first segment that ET will be doing on the film, and we can live with that. [ghost_wink]
And because there are plenty of people who won't see ET until much later than those of us on the East Coast will, if you want to get into specifics about the segment, please do so within spoilers so as not to ruin things for those people. Though after 11 anything is fair game out in the open. [ghost_smiley]
And to get everyone in the mood, here are two screen captures of one of the bumpers:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET-1.jpg)
Click for larger image: ET #1 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET-1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET-2.jpg)
Click for larger image: ET #2 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET-2.jpg)
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Thanks! I heard about it today and forgot to check. I missed the local airing but managed to set a timer for good ol' WSBK TV out of Boston (former home of Da Bruins!!!).
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I enjoyed the spot on ET, though it was a little more brief than I was thinking it would be, and wasn't quite as in depth as they made it seem. However, it's good to finally have confirmation that [spoiler]Julia does know Barnabas is a vampire, and probably pretty early on judging from the scene the showed.[/spoiler]
I also thought it was hilarious that Depp got to utter probably the second most famous Barnabas line (behind "You've betrayed me!") when he said "Nevermind that now..." when [spoiler]David walks up and sees him in the coffin and asks why Barnabas has underwear on his face. One would think that the first question would've been "Why are you chained up in a coffin?" unless, of course, David also knows that Barnabas is a vampire. [/spoiler]
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Tonight Extra had the briefest of interviews with Burton at CinemaCon and there were also shots of Depp and a few snippets of scenes (ones we've already seen in trailers/TV spots) from DS.
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[spoiler]Julia does know Barnabas is a vampire, and probably pretty early on judging from the scene the showed.[/spoiler]
We'd already deduced that from the 2nd 60 second TV spot - and the scene also confirmed that[spoiler]Julia wasn't delivering news that Liz didn't already know. And her excuse that she didn't say anything because she was protecting the children would seem to indicate that neither Carolyn or David know Barnabas' secret - at least not at that point.[/spoiler]
I also thought it was hilarious that Depp got to utter probably the second most famous Barnabas line (behind "You've betrayed me!") when he said "Nevermind that now..."
Yes, I thought that was pure DS. Hopefully at least someone in the film will also say "I'll explain later." [ghost_cheesy]
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I just scanned through American Idol and a 7th 30 second spot (with yet more new footage) ran just a short while ago. Though I'm still missing my own copy of the 4th one and any copy of the 6th one...
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LOVE the framed character shots!
i've already posted them on my FB page.
the character descriptions are fascinating? are they "official"? the bit about laura drowning at sea is so interesting.
love it!
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but what's with this calling everything "victorian"?
barnabas is "victorian". collinwood is "victorian". i wasn't aware that the eighteenth century was the "victorian" period.
i've seen this erroneous description elsewhere too. it's like anything old-fashioned is "victorian". [ghost_rolleyes]
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Michael, I noticed that too. Wouldn't the 1700s be called the Colonial period? Certainly not Victorian. It's odd to see such a big mistake on official publicity. So many people look-over that stuff. I'm surprised nobody caught it.
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Catching up on my TV watching and discovered that the 1st 30 second spot ran during last week's ep of Revenge. Nothing during this week's ep. However, in addition to the 7th 30 second spot, I managed to also record the 6th spot during tonight's ep of Don't Trust The B____ In Apartment 23. So, I going to go and get captures from the new stuff in that one now. And hopefully at some points tomorrow I'll get to post that video and at least do captures from the 7th spot - or possibly more depending on how much time I can free up...
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Here are the fist 5 screen captures from the new stuff in the 6th 30 second TV spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000090.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #90 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000090.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000198.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #198 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000198.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000260.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #260 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000260.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000286.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #286 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000286.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000372.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #372 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000372.jpg)
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And here are the next 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000389.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #389 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000389.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000409.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #409 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000409.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000412.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #412 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000412.jpg)
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Click for larger image: Capture #421 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000421.jpg)
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And here are the next 3:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000428.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #428 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000428.jpg)
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Click for larger image: Capture #434 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000434.jpg)
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And here are the next 3:
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Click for larger image: Capture #504 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000504.jpg)
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Click for larger image: Capture #522 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000522.jpg)
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And here are the last 3:
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Click for larger image: Capture #702 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000702.jpg)
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Click for larger image: Capture #712 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/14000712.jpg)
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I enjoyed what we got tonight from ET. It wasn't much but it was great to see some new stuff. Helena looked like holy hell in he interview although I am sure she doesn't care. LOL Michelle P looked great. From the beginning I have been excited about Michelle and I didn't care what the naysayers said about her. I think she is going to be a huge highlight in this film.
I also agree...."NEVERMIND" was classic DS. And apparently David is calling him Uncle Barnabas. So cute. I know in my grandmothers era they called everyone UNCLE; I thought it was cool though.
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Sorry for the double post but just found this on MTV. ENJOY! BURTON: "I never consider Dark Shadows a comedy"
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1683866/tim-burton-dark-shadows-cinemacon.jhtml
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Thanks for the link, Taeylor. [ghost_smiley]
I recorded the CW tonight because they seem to be running DS spots during all of their shows, and I just discovered that I got the 4th 30 second spot during America's Next Top Model. So, now I'm up to date with everything we know about so far. And of course that means that more high resolution screen captures are in this topic's future. I'll probably even do some from Entertainment Tonight. Though all that will have to wait for tomorrow (or later today for some of us)...
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Thanks for all you do MB!
Here is another interview with EVA:
http://ph.omg.yahoo.com/news/eva-green-sometimes-think-m-ghost-003000283.html
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interesting that burton says its not a comedy but et says its a gothic comedy.
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Scooby Doo?
Oh, and as far as the ET thing goes...
[spoiler]we now know that Elizabeth knows Barnabas' secret, that Barnabas does indeed bite Angelique, and that David at least sees Barnabas in his coffin.[/spoiler]
Curiouser and curiouser...
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interesting that burton says its not a comedy but et says its a gothic comedy.
Which is interesting because not much of what they showed was humorous. Then again, ET also says that Barnabas is released during disco's heyday. However, as many of us who lived through the era know, 1972 was hardly disco's heyday. Disco was in its infancy then and didn't reach its heyday until the mid-to-late '70s. But then, the person who wrote the copy and the person who read it most probably weren't even born in '72, so what do they actually know? [ghost_rolleyes]
I also don't understand why Angelique says Barnabas was only chained for 196 years. The Warner Brothers Press Release lead us to believe he was chained away in 1772 - but 196 years would make it 1776. [ghost_huh]
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I really have come to believe that a lot of people who produce this information for mass consumption know very little about anything.
I was stunned when they said "Disco's Heyday." I am fairly sure that 80% of the population over 40 is aware that 1972 was not Disco's Heyday... And 60% of the educated population is also aware of this fact.
And, as pointed our earlier, I was even more stunned that 1772 is considered Victorian... The woman for whom the period is named was not even born yet.
Please... make it stop. At least the people who created this movie are intelligent, witty human beings. As much as I may disagree with some of the stuff I am seeing, I thank goodness creative control was not left up to the people mindlessly spreading misinformation about history... The argument could be made that the people making these ads fit into the latter of the aforementioned categories... which gives me hope. [ghost_wink]
Thanks again for the screen caps, MB!
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As a historian, the historical reference innaccuracies have also annoyed me. The Victorian Era did not start until almost 3/4's of a century later, and the "heydey" of disco wasn't until about five years later. Quite often, in pictures that try to "capture" the reality of a certain time period, they get things wrong. That's because, I believe, movie studies (like most other corporations) don't find utilizing historians as necessary. Even the movie Titanic, where Cameron wanted everything to be "factual" about the voyage (he had the light sconces in the set mock-ups of the ship's First Class corridors replaced because they had the wrong number of screws holding them to the walls), there were several faux pax's, including showing passengers promenading and sitting about outside decks with no coats. The mid-Atlantic, in April, would not have been condusive to comfortably enjoying fresh air in nothing more than short sleeves. The scene of the star-crossed lovers at the very bow, enjoying the sunset, wearing just shirt, pants and a flimsy dress while in the blast of 22-knot April winds would have been more accurate if it would of shown them with their teeth chattering and bodies shivering rather than sharing a romantic kiss and embrace.
Gerard
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i seem to recall reading an interview with miss moretz where she called barnabas "elizabethan". [ghost_wacko]
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Facebook has the ET feature on DS up:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150825607580479
on the DS 2012 group,
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150825607580479#!/groups/DarkShadows2012/
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I don't think David calling Barnabas Uncle is cute at all. I understand there is a special bond between the two characters but Barnabas revealing to ten year old David that he is a vampire is just way out there IMO. That also goes if David accidently discovers his vampirism.
There seems a new trailer (3) will be released soon with The Raven. http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=89486
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Though just because David appears to rescue Barnabas after Angelique chains him doesn't necessarily mean David knows Barnabas is a vampire - or that he will even remember afterward that he rescued Barnabas. How often on the original show did Barnabas somehow summon someone to save him? And how often did he wipe away people's memories when they'd seen or done things he didn't want them to remember? [ghost_smiley]
14 days 11 hours 47 minutes 42 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Here are the fist 5 screen captures from the new and/or behind the scenes stuff shown on ET:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET001678.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1678 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET001678.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET001728.jpg)
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(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET001848.jpg)
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(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET001946.jpg)
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Here are the next 5:
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And the next 5:
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And the next 5:
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(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET004006.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #4006 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET004006.jpg)
(Notice Barnabas' apparent double to the right.)
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And the next 5:
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(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET004856.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #4856 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET004856.jpg)
(Is it me, or does it look like Barnabas may have been imprisoned in his coffin in a mausoleum? Remember - we did see a photo of the stonework done for Joshua's plaque...)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/ET005062.jpg)
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(It's odd the Helena never got an onscreen graphic of her name during her interview.)
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Thanks for this, MB. I know it's a lot of work and it's so much appreciated.
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Yes, I second Nancy. We all appreciate these beautiful images and videos. Thank you so much for continuing to provide us with them!
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The captures are truly breathtaking. I can't get over how sharp the images are. Thanks so much MB.
Re: David/Barnabas I do hope that David is unaware of Barnabas' secret.
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I can't get over how sharp the images are.
The wonders of HDTV. [ghost_wink]
I have the captures from the 7th 30 second TV spot picked out, but they're not formatted/uploaded yet. But I will definitely post them in a few hours or so.
As for video, that may have to wait longer because I want to see if I can figure out why the last one I posted didn't work in Quicktime. But if I can't figure it out, or if my video creating software is still having the nervous breakdown that's preventing it from creating MP4 files directly (even though it had no trouble doing it with all the other videos I've posted recently [ghost_huh]), I'll just do exactly what I did with the most recent one when it comes to posting videos of the latest spots...
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Looking forward in seeing the video. Thanks again MB for all your hard work.
Yikes I hope this DS movie review is not going to be representative of the majority. The writer gave the movie 2 stars out of six and was extremely critical of the 1972 period. I consider there to be two small spoilers but nothing shocking IMO. http://cphpost.dk/inout/movie-reviews/it-looks-tim-burton-got-lost-his-own-shadow
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I only glanced over it because I didn't want to read the possible spoilers. But what I did see completely contradicted the AICN review. But then, reviews often do that - sometimes to the point that you wonder if the reviewers even saw the same film. [ghost_wink] That's one of the reasons I used to love to watch shows like Siskel & Ebert and the updated version of At The Movies. It was often mind boggling when the critics disagreed with each other vehemently. [ghost_grin]
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I remember watching that show. Siskel and Ebert provided so much entertainment in their reviews. They didn't agree too often as I recall and if they did it may have been for other reasons. It's no wonder critics agree on anything. The critic in said article said what we thought happens in the first 20 minutes happens in the first 5 minutes which doesn't seem possible. I guess we are going to have to be careful when the reviews start coming in waves.
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I plan to completely avoid reviews until after I've seen the film for myself on the 11th. Though as I've said before, I always avoid the reviews when there's a film I want to see. I much prefer to make up my own mind and then read the reviews to see if I agree, disagree, or sometimes even think a reviewer was completely delusional to write what they did - and that goes for films I've liked but the reviewer tore to shreds as well as vice versa.
Truthfully, though, I often wonder if the only point to film reviews is so the critics themselves can see their own opinions in print because quite often reviews have no effect whatsoever on box office. I mean, Adam Sandler's films are routinely panned by nearly all critics, yet Sandler has a thriving film career that's review-proof with no end in sight. And then there are the Twilight films, where some critics seem like they're in competition to write the most scathing reviews imaginable, yet to say each one of the films has been a huge success would be an understatement. And let's not forget many of the reviews for Depp's The Tourist - yet ultimately the producers of that film laughed all the way to the bank...
14 days 6 hours 57 minutes 32 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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From what Grahame-Smith said to Prof. Stokes, it sounds as if the movie has undergone some re-edits since the test screenings. So, the 1772 prologue may have been considerably sliced down.
I really did not see any spoilers to speak of, beyond one minor detail about the Barnabas/Angelique backstory in this version (which could be mis-reported here since the reviewer admitted that it all went by so quickly, he hardly knew what was going on). You've seen all the trailers so you know all the content revealed in this review.
G.
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Just got this tweet on my phone:
gkfilms @gkfilms
New Exclusive featurette for Tim Burton's #DarkShadows was just posted on @itunestrailers. Check it out! http://bit.ly/wK4fje
6:06 PM - 26 Apr 12
Have not checked it out, though, because I'm in the middle of doing something for work that needs to be finished before 7...
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The featurette: WOW!! [ghost_blink] So many lines being delivered in context! What a concept! [ghost_rolleyes] The new featurette looks like it's much more representative of the actual film than the trailers have been. (Although, of course, we won't know for sure for a couple of weeks...)
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And finally we get to see Christopher Lee! [ghost_happy]
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WOW, INDEED! And I do believe we may see something that could just turn the whole Barnabas/Victoria dynamic on its head!! [ghost_shocked] And if so, I LOVE it!! [ghost_cool] In fact, it's something I once said I wish had happened in hoDS...
And it's very nice to see the dedication to Frid...
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Yay! Both Jonathan AND Grayson have a clip! Now THAT's class!
Great to see Christopher Lee, too.
G.
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See, and I absolutely adore the so-called "dire" Death Becomes Her, which, now that the reviewer mentions it, reminds me that I've been reminded of DBH all along when watching anything about the new film.
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Thanks for the featurette link MB. Very nice.
New SGS interview-he is nervous like some of us. http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/seth-grahame-smith-jgiro.php
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Here are the fist 3 screen captures from the 7th 30 second TV spot:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/15000034.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #34 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/15000034.jpg)
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And the next 3:
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(Considering he's a vampire, I love that Barnabas thinks talk of werewolves on Scooby Do is "silly" - it's classic Barnabas. It was always so bizarre that when some new threat came along on the original show, he would deny it and call it foolishness even though he of all people should have been the first to accept it.)
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And the last 4:
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(The above sequence was referenced on ET during the opening teaser for DS - but unfortunately it didn't show up in the actual segment.)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/15001766.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1766 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/15001766.jpg)
(And even though it's very hard to see with the writing over it, the above sequence starts off looking like Barnabas is getting comfortable and ready to sleep in a bed - but then the camera turns angles and we see that he's actually hanging from the bed's canopy.)
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Wow! Thanks again for the new screen caps.
Does anyone agree with me that the interior of the mansion, specifically the staircase, looks a bit artificial? Like a painting or CGI? For example, in the screen cap with Elizabeth coming down the stairs -- if you look behind her you can see the stairs, a vase, some large carvings, etc. For some reason, all of that (other than Michelle Phiffer) looks fake, CGI-ish. Anyone else feel the same way?
If they really built the set on a sound-stage, I wonder why the staircase looks like CGI.
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New SGS interview-he is nervous like some of us.
Thanks for the link. [ghost_smiley] Though as I've said before, films like The Tourist and others that have gone on to become successes over the box office long haul should prove that the tendency of so many in the media to base the success or failure of a film on its first weekend in release is foolish. And what's even more foolish is that there are still people who say The Tourist was a bomb even though it wasn't - and that's because they don't even pay attention to anything but opening weekend numbers/rankings. So ridiculous. [sad3]
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Considering it would seem to be the perfect place to promote DS, I've been surprised that there hadn't been a single TV spot run during The Vampire Diaries. However, that has all changed as tonight there was a promo announcement that during next Thursday's ep there will be "a special sneak peek" of DS. Though who knows what that means? I suppose it could mean anything from a scene to another 2 minute trailer. But we shall see...
14 days 3 hours 19 minutes 12 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Thank you so much MB and everyone for the links. Does anyone know where I can view the new TV SPOT???
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Hopefully here sooner rather than later.
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I hope that featurette is an extra on the DVD release! It was great to watch it, and hearing the lines in context of the situation really helps give a true feel for the film.
May 11th can't come soon enough.
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LOVE the featurette...
this sold me more on the whole things than anything thus far. i've been wondering why barnabas was dinging the silverware in the previous spots.
love it!
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Well, guess what? While checking out the entertainment shows I recorded earlier tonight I just discovered that Extra did a segment on DS, with yet more behind the scenes footage, interviews, and scenes we've not seen before. So that puts more screen captures and more video on my To Do list. Though I'm not about to complain. [ghost_wink]
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i've been wondering why barnabas was dinging the silverware in the previous spots.
I've been wondering that too.
But you of all people here don't have any comments on what it would certainly seem happens to Vicki? [ghost_huh] Personally I LOVE what would seem to be the twist. In fact, I love it so much that, even though we know it's not going to be, I wouldn't mind if the entire rest of the film really did turn out to be like my nightmare that the film features dancing and singing skeletons and clowns in a gigantic production number set in the mausoleum! [ghost_cheesy]
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actually i've been privately speculating that that very thing happens. it's better than what some of the alternatives are.
i'm sort of still processing it. it does open up lots of doors and is in direct contrast to dan curtis' vision for the character. i don't really know what to think. again i'm surprised at how much spoilerish material is out there.
we'll see.
at this point i don't care that film is so heavily comedic. it looks like a blast.
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incidentally...
[spoiler]if this spoiler about vicki turns out to be true it sort of ends up disproving what alot of us thought that the last spoiler about vicki was. if that makes sense.[/spoiler]
context is everything.
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what's more...
[spoiler]what sort of tipped me off to this possibility is that vicki's little governess' cape looks sort of like a modified version of barnabas' inverness cape. i wondered it it was some sort of forshadowing or symbolism.[/spoiler]
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actually i've been privately speculating that that very thing happens.
It never even occurred to me that it could until I saw the featurette - and then my jaw practically fell to the floor -
[jawdrp]
- and I let out a huge WHOA!!
it does open up lots of doors
Indeed it does. And now I'm really hoping we'll get a sequel to explore what could happen next. If it simply gets left that way, it's going to be a terrible tease.
And speaking of teases, here's a link to the tease for the DS segment on tonight's Extra. It will have to hold everyone until tomorrow when I can find the chance to do a video of the actual segment:
Extra_2012_04_26_19_30_02-t.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Extra_2012_04_26_19_30_02-t.mp4) (5.8MB)
And actually it's not just Depp who is featured - Michelle Pfeiffer is as well - and both get to say more than they did on ET.
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MB and michael, are you implying that [spoiler]Barnabas makes Vicki into a vampire? Since Vicki wasn't even a character in house of DS, I'm confused by what you're implying, and the imagery in the trailers I have seen to date (I think you must have seen more than I have at this point) doesn't show anything like this.[/spoiler]
Just asking for clarification. I don't really give two twitches of a rats tail about spoilers so I hope one of you will clear it up for me. Please use the spoiler tag. Thank you.
Best, G.
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So do we think...
[spoiler]Vicki becomes a vampire?
Does Barnabas bite her as she is falling off the cliff?
[/spoiler]
It's hard to tell, but that is definitely a different ending... Not sure if I like that better or the previous possibility. Both are pretty tragic.
I liked this feature. It wasn't the WOW thing I needed to change my mind, but I enjoyed it. I did not like all of the spoilers and scenes it contained, though. I'd much have seen Frid's appearance in the final film... and other things. But it was definitely a lot better than the ads.
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MB and michael, are you implying that [spoiler]Barnabas makes Vicki into a vampire?[/spoiler]
Yes indeed. But the evidence for it isn't in the trailers/TV spots - it's in the featurette.
And what I was referring to about hoDS was when I said:
[spoiler]Personally, I was always into the Barnabas/Josette relationship. I'm not sure why - maybe it's because it seemed to have a depth that many of the other romantic pairings on the show didn't. Though at the same time I have to say that that depth came mostly from Barnabas' own feelings about it. I can't say that when the relationship itself was actually seen in the 1795/76 storyline that it actually lived up to the hype, as it were, for me. However, strictly from Barnabas' perspective, I always rooted for Barnabas to get his Josette. Hell, I would have even been happy had hoDS ended with Barn making Maggie Josette. (But alas...) And I really look forward to the take the Depp/DS film is going to bring to it.
[/spoiler]
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Both are pretty tragic.
For the reason I laid out in what I quoted in the spoiler part of my previous post, I don't see it as tragic at all. In fact, I see it as something happening that should have happened a long time ago in some official version of DS. Though, of course, how it might play out remains to be seen...
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Interesting thoughts, MB. And it was definitely explored in the original 1795 story, as we know.
Thanks for sharing. I had missed the previous spoiler-tagged comment.
Best,
G.
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For the reason I laid out in what I quoted in the spoiler part of my previous post, I don't see it as tragic at all. In fact, I see it as something happening that should have happened a long time ago in some official version of DS. Though, of course, how it might play out remains to be seen...
Well, I like tragic things, so it was a positive for me! [ghost_cheesy]
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I agree completely with the penultimate paragraph in this new review. The opening of the movie (the comedy-free "first eight minutes" SGS alluded to in his video interview) was delightful and showed a promising balance of a sweeping gothic tone and some light humorous touches. Had that blend been maintained throughout, I would have been thrilled and could have gone from being a movie skeptic to a movie convert. But [spoiler]once Barnabas is released from the coffin, the movie turns into a farce with sex, boob, and fish-out-of-water jokes that mostly feel strained and sad to me. [ghost_sad][/spoiler]
One of my comments at the screening was that I wished the prologue had been more fully fleshed out--partly because I always enjoyed the 1700s period on the show most, partly because I thought this sequence was the best part of the movie, and largely because, as written, I felt that the sequence moved too quickly and would be too confusing to a naive viewer. [spoiler]For example, we who watched the original series understand why Angelique attacks the Collins family. Mainly, she's trying to hurt Barnabas by hurting the people he loves, but she is also a proud and covetous woman who resents the family treating her like a servant (even though she is one). In the film, I don't understand the motive for her grudge against the Collins family once Barnabas has been entombed. Why does she want to be their business rival? What does Angelique gain by trying to ruin them? For that matter, I don't think the prologue emphasized that Barnabas treated Angelique callously or showed just why she would still be so hung up on him 196 years later. Hence, I was hoping by the comments in the AICN review that a little more exposition would have made it into the final cut. This review makes that possibility seem unlikely.[/spoiler]
ProfStokes
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I was cautioned to wait until the very end of the featurette, after the credits, to see Jonathan's name there, In Memoriam. Sad to see, of course, but nice too in light of everything.
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Thanks as always everyone for the screen captures and all the updates. I'm not completely avoiding spoilers but I'm trying to tread a little lightly on them, if that makes any sense, so I am not sure I know what y'all are referring to. But after I see the movie I look forward to reading over this thread again!
On another note, apologies if this has been mentioned but I don't think I've seen it- the WaterTower (Warner Bros) Music page now has sound snippets of the DS Soundtrack:
http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39309 (http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39309)
The 18 second-long Depp track of The Joker is simply him as Barnabas, reciting the lines to the Steve Miller refrain. Kind of cute, but I actually was hoping he'd be doing some mad guitar riff on the song [ghost_cool] Oh well. I still don't see a preorder for a domestic release on amazon.com; it is listed as an import at over $40, which is very puzzling. Unless the price comes down to a reasonable level, I think I will have to make do with the Elfman score (which I've already preordered) alone.
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Hmmm - not having really read the paragraph in the review that ProfStokes refers to in her post, I was going to throw caution to the wind and read it. However, either the review is off limits or it's gone entirely because all that comes up now is a warning that you're not allowed to access the page. And even if you go to the Web site's main page and try to search for the review using criteria like "Dark Shadows" or "Tim Burton" or "Johnny Depp", the review still doesn't come up - yet for Burton an article mentioning The Nightmare Before Christmas in 3D does. And the review isn't even listed on the latest movie reviews page in the InOut section. Odd... But then maybe it's the universe telling me I wasn't meant to ever actually read that review. [ghost_wink]
13 days 13 hours 40 minutes 18 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Could someone direct me to the article where Burton goes over each character from DS? While I'm not defending Burton, as I've made it clear I'm not a fan of his take on DS, I do believe he is a fan of the original show. A friend of mine is arguing that Burton isn't actually a fan because of this article (taken out of context from the LA Times piece): http://blastr.com/2012/03/why-tim-burton-said-the-o.php
I am very disappointed by the whole comedy angle with Burton's movie, but I do think he's a fan. The most convincing argument in that regard is that article where he shows he has an understanding of each character.
Thanks!
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My group on facebook, Dark Shadows is NOT a comedy, snagged the article before it disappeared. If you want to read it, I've got it.
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Ah, it's the Empire article I was thinking of! Found it!
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On another note, apologies if this has been mentioned but I don't think I've seen it- the WaterTower (Warner Bros) Music page now has sound snippets of the DS Soundtrack:
http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39309 (http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39309)
Thanks for the link! Listening to "The End?", I finally realized: OMG! Elfman's main theme for this movie is a fantasia on Cobert's DS theme! One particular sequence of intervals just hit me, and I immediately picked up on how Elfman is playing around with the original theme, twisting it around a bit, toying with the keys and rhythm, and making something brand new out of it. The more I hear of this score, the more I love it.
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who the heck appointed people the "fan police" anyways????
anyone who doesn't tow some sort of party line has their "fan status" called into question.
nonsense really.
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who the heck appointed people the "fan police" anyways????
anyone who doesn't tow some sort of party line has their "fan status" called into question.
nonsense really.
That's mainly why I took umbrage with the idea that Burton isn't a fan. As much as I don't care for the tone of the film (or at least the TV spots), I would never say Burton and Depp aren't DS fans because it's very clear that they are. In my friend's defense, he's a casual fan and doesn't follow the interviews etc. as closely as we do. He read the Blastr article and took it as fact. I can see how that article (taken out of context from its LA Times source), coupled with the comedic tone of the TV spots could make someone come to the conclusion that Burton doesn't really like the original. He said this in front of several people who were agreeing with him and I found myself arguing in Burton's DEFENSE. Ha! Who'da thunk it?! To quote a line from one of Burton's films: "Tragic irony or poetic justice? You tell me. Waugh!" - The Penguin ;)
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It's interesting because as I was picking out screen captures to post from the Extra segment, it seems as if they were able to pack in more stuff in a shorter segment that ET did.
But first off, here are 3 screen captures from stuff in the teaser for the Extra segment that doesn't actually show up in the segment itself:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000011.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #11 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000011.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000048.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #48 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000048.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000078.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #78 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000078.jpg)
13 days 11 hours 9 minutes 29 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Here are the fist 5 screen captures from the new and/or behind the scenes stuff shown on Extra:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000202.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #202 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000202.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000221.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #221 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000221.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000246.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #246 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000246.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000277.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #277 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000277.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000320.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #320 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000320.jpg)
13 days 11 hours 2 minutes 28 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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And the next 5:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000328.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #328 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000328.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000351.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #351 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000351.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000374.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #374 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000374.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000375.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #375 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000375.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000378.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #378 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000378.jpg)
13 days 10 hours 58 minutes 16 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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And the next 5:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000466.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #466 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000466jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000468.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #468 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000468.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000487.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #487 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000487.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000498.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #498 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000498.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000532.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #532 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000532.jpg)
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And the next 5:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000550.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #550 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000550jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000566.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #566 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000566.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000579.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #579 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000579.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000617.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #617 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000617.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000618.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #618 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000618.jpg)
13 days 10 hours 53 minutes 26 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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And the next 5:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000636.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #636 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000636jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000660.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #660 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000660.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000719.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #719 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000719.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000760.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #760 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000760.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000786.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #786 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000786.jpg)
13 days 10 hours 50 minutes 54 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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And the next 5:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000832.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #832 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000832jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000894.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #894 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX000894.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001186.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1186 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001186.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001204.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1204 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001204.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001254.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1254 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001254.jpg)
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And the next 5:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001273.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1273 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001273jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001304.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1304 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001304.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001312.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1312 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001312.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001328.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1328 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001328.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001348.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1348 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001348.jpg)
13 days 10 hours 45 minutes 9 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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And the next 5:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001388.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1388 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001388jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001408.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1408 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001408.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001462.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1462 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001462.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001484.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1484 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001484.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001589.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1589 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001589.jpg)
13 days 10 hours 42 minutes 26 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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And the last 4:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001624.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1624 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001624jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001797.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1797 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001797.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001864.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1864 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001864.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001866.jpg)
Click for larger image: Capture #1866 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/EX001866.jpg)
And to put all this into context, the video will be posted in about an hour or two...
13 days 10 hours 38 minutes 42 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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btw...
christopher lee is looking very bill-malloy-ish in the featurette. i wonder who the heck it is if not malloy?
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Here's the link to the DS segment on Extra:
Extra_2012_04_26_19_30_02.mp4 (http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Extra_2012_04_26_19_30_02.mp4) (37MB)
I didn't have a chance to fool around with the sound so it will probably have the same problems playing in Quicktime.
13 days 8 hours 41 minutes 5 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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christopher lee is looking very bill-malloy-ish in the featurette. i wonder who the heck it is if not malloy?
He certainly does resemble Bill Malloy:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Lee.jpg)
But apparently appearances are deceiving. And if his character is someone we're already familiar with in the DS universe, I'm stumped as to who it is. And who knows why Barnabas is so determined to question him that he has to hypnotize him to do it? But all will be revealed before too long...
13 days 8 hours 27 minutes 53 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows is released(ET)!!
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Those captures make it look like one was on the set. Thanks MB. I see the Extra segment steered clear of the comedic aspects in the movie. Thanks for posting that MB.
EW PopWatch refers to the DS movie as a "remake-spoof"
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/04/27/entertainment-geekly-summer-movies/
Interesting that the review I previously linked was pulled. What happened to free press.
An ad on Ebay from WB congratulating two Dark Shadows stars for their awards. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHELLE-PFEIFFER-congrats-ad-Dark-Shadows-Sylvester-Stallone-Apatow-CinemaCon-/300702491877?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460343e4e5
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Curiouser and curiouser. If the movie Willie is supposed to have elements of Jason McGuire and Angelique elements of Burke Devlin, it should be very interesting to get the whole story on Mr. Malloy.
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I didn't have a chance to fool around with the sound so it will probably have the same problems playing in Quicktime.
Yeah, Quicktime once again didn't have sound for me, but fortunately, VLC once again worked great! Thanks so much for this clip, which I didn't know about, and all the other goodies you've shared, MB!
Apologies if this was already posted- I don't think so- Coming Soon now has a 4 page DS photo gallery, and while many are familiar, about 6 or 7 of the stills were new to me.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=89690 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=89690)
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The channel Starz Edge will have a "preview" on the new movie on 5-10 on a show called Starz Studio. I don't know if this will be the trailer or something more as I don't have the channel.
The channel channel will have a show on called "Dark Shadows: Beyond The Grave" on 5-11 about the new movie.
I don't know if this has been reported or not.
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Thanks for the link! Listening to "The End?", I finally realized: OMG! Elfman's main theme for this movie is a fantasia on Cobert's DS theme! One particular sequence of intervals just hit me, and I immediately picked up on how Elfman is playing around with the original theme, twisting it around a bit, toying with the keys and rhythm, and making something brand new out of it. The more I hear of this score, the more I love it.
I heard it too. It's right near the end. The reason we hadn't heard it before is the track cut off in the previously uploaded snippet. There are definitely notes, but not the full melody... and that was what I was hoping for. Could've played the actual melody and then gone into the Fantasia. That's how I have seen these things in the past. Oh well...
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Tonight during SUPERNATURAL there were two spots for DS and there also was a bumper for the preview of DS during THE VAMPIRE DIARIES next week. Again thanks to MB and everyone for all you do!
I also got my copy of RETURN TO COLLINWOOD. I hate that some of it was rehashed but I did like then new stuff that KLS and Lara wrote about their time at Pinewood Studios. I have to admit that when they told Jonathan (in the book) "if it wasn't for you we wouldn't be here" I burst into tears again.
I have to say I loved the piece on the 2004 pilot. I also didn't realize that NBC wanted to do DS again as movies of the week in 1998 and that about three other times DS was going to become a series again. I remember the Fox script. I would love to read those others scripts and see what they have to offer. I am sure they will never come to light though. :(
I found out today I have a infection my body so I am not feeling so good. I hope to be here as much as I can. I am going on a really strong antibiotic that has made all of the people in my family very weak. Wish me luck. If I am not around you know why!
Love all my cousins! The time is coming soon to see DS! Can't wait!
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SGS: "My mandate from Tim and Johnny" was to make it "fun" and "irreverent," whereas previously it was "straightforward," "dark," and "brooding."
http://www.screenwritingu.com/darkshadows
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And for me that is fine. I really wasn't in the mood for another rehash. We have had how many now. HODS, 1991 and 2004; although I thought 2004 had potential if Rob Bowman wouldn't have backed out. I love what I heard about it. I love the scene I saw on Alex's page. I hope and pray it's an extra on the DVD. Now that I know it's not all comedy I have made my peace with it. :)
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over on youtube full clips from the film are turning up about 1 or 2 minutes long.
the "he's a vampire!" scene with julia and liz is up. and the more of the "ball" scene, barnabas and vicki on the terrace(we hear her voice for the first time)and the boardroom scene with angelique.
they're not too spoilerish but help flesh out certain situations.
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the clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gv-J3Ke3uGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFTv3vvvGvs&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q-MIDPl1Rc&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUE8ZbLZpMM&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NeQvpflefzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9CaHmoX05c&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6kPywbPKWM
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Probably still up in the air but, TFAW.com (supplier of mostly comics, but are also selling DS books currently) has the movie available for preorder on DVD & Blu-ray/DVD combo, with a release date of September 26, 2012.
http://www.tfaw.com/Profile/Dark-Shadows-2012-DVD___407164
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as much as i've made peace with the film's largely comedic tone the alice cooper cameo still makes me uncomfortable.
it's just too literal and campy. i just don't like it. [ghost_tongue]
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OMG, Sara, those youtube clips are incredible! I can't wait to see this movie! I'm like a kid counting down to Christmas! Thank you!!!
Gerard
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Wow, with all the tv spots and previews, and now these scenes on YouTube -- I think the entire movie is gonna be released in bits and pieces before the premiere. LOL. Seriously, haven't some other films been critisized for this type of promotion? Where most of the good stuff is released, sorta making the film anti-climactic?
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i forgot to mention this...
my good friend laura vogel is the beauty editor at 'GLO.com' a women's site.
this past week she did an email interview for the site with lizzie yianni-georgiou the principle makeup artist on the film for a DS-themed beauty piece. unfortunately the interview is not being run although the site gives a plug to the nailpolish and other cosmetics tied into the film.
still she sent me a copy of the interview and although it's not tremendously interesting some highlights are...
many intital makeup tests are done to develop each character and a pallet was already in place before the makeup department came onboard. each character was carefully developed in the chair and photographed, discussed and polished before the actual shooting started. some characters take as long as 2-3 hours to makeup. some CGI elements were used to help create "depth" but worked alongside, not instead of, traditional makeup techniques. she concluded that it had been an "amazing" experience and that she was "proud of her departments achievements".
it's too bad the piece didn't get in. [ghost_sad]
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Wow, with all the tv spots and previews, and now these scenes on YouTube -- I think the entire movie is gonna be released in bits and pieces before the premiere. LOL. Seriously, haven't some other films been critisized for this type of promotion? Where most of the good stuff is released, sorta making the film anti-climactic?
Yeah, I agree to an extent, which is why I mentioned the other day that while I don't mind hearing a spoiler or two, I would rather "tread lightly" on them at this point. I think what I really meant to say was that I just don't like to see too much of the movie before actually seeing the movie! Of course I love to see bits and pieces- a trailer, some TV spots, some stills, but when it gets to be TOO much, I find myself instinctively pulling back a little bit. It's a fine line! So I think that I will defer on watching those YouTubes, as tempting as they are, until after I see the film, but thanks so much Sara for posting the links! I know that I will want to go check them out after I've seen it! And thanks also for the DVD release info- we have a ways to go until then, but the timing sounds just about right so I'll bet Sept. 26 will end up being right!
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it's funny just about two months ago we were complaining that there was NO promotional material out there. i even recall speculation that the film's release date was being pushed back.
now we're inundated. i agree that there has been WAY too much spoilerish material released. especially for a film that's supposed to have an element of mystery. still i'm the one who's guilty for checking it all out.
that said these particular clips are not that spoilerish. not much is given away. we've seen more elsewhere. they're more little character sketches. and the "he's a vampire!" scene with julia and liz is really divine.
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Well, I for one enjoyed watching the clips. They make the movie seem about five times more interesting to this viewer than ANY of the trailers which I have mostly found repellent. But then, as a going-on-54 gay male eccentric who lives in a book-lined batcave, I'm hardly this movie's target audience.
The clips actually have me excited to see the movie now. I had figured it would mostly be an exercise in masochism but I am seeing enough here to beguile me in between the kitsch and the inevitable toilet humor.
Reality check for anyone who cares: NOBODY in the 1770s spoke the way the Barnabas character in this movie does--on stage or off. I've read enough plays, letters, and memoirs of the period to be pretty confident in saying that. I have no idea where SGS or whoever composed the dialogue came up with Barn's goofball way with words here, but Depp pulls it off.
One thing that fascinates me: [spoiler] Around 15 years ago in an issue of Dale Clark's zine Inside the Old House, I read an article by a fan who theorized that Liz in 1967, in our OS reality, *knew* when Barnabas arrived at Collinwood that he was a vampire. The scenario was laid out with great care and attention to detail, and the person had studied the episodes really carefully. I think the decision to make this factor an explicit part of the story this time around WAS a very clever twist on the original narrative, and Pfeiffer plays it much more brilliantly than I would have expected. To be truthful, I had no thoughts one way or the other about Pfeiffer's casting. From what I've seen to date, she may well be the best thing about this version of the story. [/spoiler]
Best,
G.
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I have to say as tempting as it is I am staying away. I went to Spoilers Anonymous during Season Five of Charmed in 2002 and was cured. I find it so much more fun to watch TVs, movies, etc without knowing what is going to happen. I know the general synopsis and have saw behind the scenes and pictures but that is far as I go.
However, I think it is great for those who were maybe on the fence. For example it seems as if the clips are making more people happy on FB and on here! I just can't watch. I want to be surprised. But to those who watch out of curiosity and those who weren't sold on the movie I think it's great for them! [ghost_smiley] [ghost_wink]
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I love the clips. I heard both Alice Cooper and Black Sabbath. Those clips do more for me than any of the trailers. Thanks for posting them.
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Wow - so much to catch up on.
First off, thanks jimbo for the links. [ghost_smiley]
Secondly, we had not been alerted to the Coming Soon photo archive, and thanks so much for pointing us there, madscntst. [ghost_smiley] Several of the photos were new to me - but even when it came to many of the ones that weren't, I hadn't ever come across high resolutions versions of them, so it was a definite treat to find/download them. The archive is an invaluable source.
Thirdly, and unfortunately, I don't have any of the channels that borgosi shared will be having upcoming features on DS. And I'm pretty sure that I don't know anyone who has them, either. But I'll have my friends ask around their circle of friends and co-workers and perhaps we'll see. But if not, perhaps something of them will show up on YouTube or even on the DVD/Blu-ray. Though even if we may never see them, thanks so much for alerting us to them, borgosi. [ghost_smiley]
And speaking of the DVD/Blu-ray, fourthly, thanks for sharing the potential release date, Sara Monster. [ghost_smiley]
Fifthly, it's interesting that others have been feeling almost inundated with not just footage but spoilery footage because I've been feeling the same. (Even though I'm thrilled by it, I was really shocked by the inclusion of that major revelation in the featurette!) I love seeing new stuff in the TV spots, but it's getting to the point where I'm thinking enough already, save something for the film. So in that spirit, like madscntst and Taeylor Collins, I think I'll skip watching the new YouTube clips. (Though I will download them lest they disappear because they don't seem to have been uploaded by Warner Brothers, so who knows if they'll even allow them to remain on YouTube. But after I've seen the film and I'll probably be dying for the DVD/Blu-ray release, they'll no doubt come in handy to satisfy some of my craving. [ghost_wink] So, thanks very much for providing the links, Sara Monster. [ghost_smiley])
And finally, thanks for the link to that interview with Seth Grahame-Smith, Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley] Though I do continue to find it very odd that he keeps giving the impression that there was no humor in John August's script when three months before he came on board Richard Zanuck had already described August's script as "very funny." Though perhaps Zanuck's idea of very funny and Grahame-Smith's idea of it are very different. [ghost_undecided] But be that as it may, I do have to say that the more I hear from Grahame-Smith in his own voice, the more I like him. And I found many of the things he explained about his writing process to be very reassuring. I suppose we'll see...
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And that means less than two weeks to go!! [clap]
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While downloading the other 7, I noticed that these 2 have also been uploaded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GxZTOlIDIs&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8taaE4Lyo&feature=relmfu
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Well this confirms it for me. *shakes head* It's a comedy and not a funny one at that. Awful...just friggin awful. Depp is trying to be more like Bela Lougosi than Barnabas and he fails at that too. With the exception of Michelle Pfiefer, I think everyone is miscast. The music is nice but it just off-sets the bad comedy and was never proof this was going to be a richly dark, Gothic movie that paid homage to the original/revival series. And the first clip is just a rip-off of Dracula: Dead and Loving it. *rolls eyes*
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I think I'll skip watching the new YouTube clips. (Though I will download them lest they disappear because they don't seem to have been uploaded by Warner Brothers, so who knows if they'll even allow them to remain on YouTube.
Egad, I hadn't thought of that! I think I may do the same, in that case. Just because I am beginning to feel a bit of overexposure- not necessarily for spoilers per se, but just in general- doesn't mean that I'm not greedy! [ghost_tongue2] So yeah, download now, watch later- sounds like a plan!
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I have only one thought at this time: Michelle Pfeiffer is this film's saving grace. Is she going to be enough to salvage it from the nonsense lines about "balls," though?
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From the TV spots I honestly get the impression that Barnabas is completely oblivious to what he said. And so long as the reactions of the others in the room aren't overplayed, meaning maybe a few smirks or some sort of Rogeresque remark from him, the scene will play perfectly fine. It would only be if they call undue attention to Barnabas' remark, like outright laughing and/or Barnabas embarrassment, that I would have a problem with it because then they'd be slamming the audience over the head with the notion that the remark is supposed to be a joke so get laughing. So long as it's underplayed and Barn remains oblivious, I say bring it on - partcularly if indeed we do get some sort of Rogeresque remark from him - and especially if Liz directs that piercing stare from the TV spot at him afterward. I would love that!
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Regarding that "Look into my eyes" clip, JF would never, ever have needed that silly, overdone hand gesture. And JD's Barnabas is sadly lacking in the fastidiousness of JF's. I'm waiting till I can watch this movie for free, and even then I might give it a miss.
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If the original series' directors had told him to do it, chances are Frid would have done it. But apparently they didn't think of it, which is actually surprising considering much of the other stuff they came up with...
And I'd say that the way Depp's Barn dresses would certainly seem to show that he has the fastidiousness of Barn on the original series...
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yeah if one doesn't like the film's comedic tone is one thing...
but depp's barnabas looks like a dandy and a gentleman of the highest order.
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Again, and, as before, this is just my opinion, but I think we all need to give this film a chance. Is it the DS (meaning the original) that we all love? To me, for the most part, yes. It contains the original story line of Barnabas, but with modifications. For example, Vicki, again (as in the '91 remake), turns out to be the reincarnation of Josette, while in the original it was Maggie. I always preferred the Maggie/Josette thing rather than the Vicki/Josette thing (and it appears there isn't even a Maggie in this version at all - heresy!; but I'll forgive). The '91 version not only rerouted from Maggie to Vicki, it also turned my beloved Maggie from a innocent, virginal coffee-shop hash-slasher to a slatternish smokey-bar hootch-mootcher. I didn't like it, but I survived.
Are there comedic elements in this film (despite both Burton and Depp insisting it is not primarily a comedy)? Well, obviously. It goes from subtle to slapstick. Is that so bad? Like I said before, the whole concept of a man trying to adjust culturally from 1772 to 1972 with hardly a workshop on adaption can, should, and would make for comedic material. As much as I love the original and what followed, from HoDS to the '91 remake, I thought the whole thing about Barnabas showing up at Collinwood within days of being released and dressed in current clothing and being able to fit in without anyone wondering why he has no clue as to what My Three Sons or The Brady Bunch or Roseanne is is utterly ludicrous. Yes, DS is fantasy, so maybe we should overlook these things, but this film is also fantasy.
And is having fun with DS, or making fun of it, so bad? Don't we do it all the time, even here? We have a chuckle at the inconsistency of the original. We have our own comedic categories here, quite often poking fun of the show itself, in the threads such as "Complete the Phrase" and "Caption This." Does that make us "disrespectful" of the show we love? Absolutely not. So what if Depp and Burton have done a bit of what we've done. They've both said they were loyal and passionate fans, just like us. Like so many of us, they ran home to watch the show while growing up, and it was always Depp's dream to recreate Barnabas. And what about "Dank Shadows" on youtube? It's done by fans and rips their and our beloved show a new one, and it's all hysterical. It doesn't take away one iota that DS was a massive, groundbreaking TV show, so much to the point that, despite all its many faux pas (and there are many, oh, are there many, and we all know it), it has become the most successful soap opera in history. Is there any other soap opera that has all its episodes re-aired for decades and available on tape/DVD? Does any other soap opera command an annual festival that brings in thousands of fans? I attended only one (in 2003) and at one of the question-and-answer sessions with the stars on stage, there was a fun bantering of questions between audience and star participants regarding the many misfires of the show. One of the funniest questions and answers had to deal with the piano in the drawing room (leave it to DS to screw up an entire show because of a piano).
There are plenty of things to find at fault with the original. There are plenty of things to find at fault (even more so, because by then they should've known better) with the '91 remake. I can't comment on the '04 attempt at another remake because I didn't see it. I loved the original despite its many faults. I enjoyed the '91 remake despite it not being what I thought was the original "vision." (And I thought, and still think, that, save for Jean Simmons, it was horribly miscast, and way over the edge.) I was in heaven when I went, in October of 1971, to see HoDS in an overflowing movie theater and rather than viewing the subtlety of the original was exposed to Hammeresque blood and gore with a movie chopped down to emphasize blood and gore and a total lack of character development. I also enjoyed NoDS a year later (played in a double bill with HoDS) even though not one - not one - of any of the characters from the original series or movie appeared in it. Again, despite the massive studio-ordered slash-and-burns (hopefully eventually restored) that made it disjointed and nothing associated with the original, I still liked it.
The original DS isn't perfect. Even when I was a child, and then a tween, and then a teen, watching it, I would stop and say: "Hey, wait a minute..." But I loved it. It's reimagining in two previous movies wasn't perfect. It's '91 remake wasn't perfect. But I (and many of us fans) still loved it all because it was DS. DS, unlike many other shows, has survived to the point where it's now a multi-million dollar movie with big names and stars. Don't expect it to stand up to perfection to the original because the original wasn't perfect. It had incredible things that went with it and incredibly awful things that went with it. I "romanticize" DS (and when I wrote a couple a couple novels about it, I tried to clear up those awful things that the original writers should've thought of). I appreciate what it did and tried to do, but there were times when it thought it had a "big head" and could get away with anything. We fans have always been smarter than that even though it has never bothered us a bit.
We shouldn't let this film bother us because some of us don't think it stands up to the "purity" of the original. The original wasn't pure. This revision just might clean some of that up. I can't wait to see it. I can't wait until our DS party being planned for it happens. All we need for the party (which includes either brunch or "dunch" [dinner-lunch, depending on if we decide to eat before or after we see the matinee on the 12th]) is for a good recipe for Mrs. Johnson's mayonnaise.
Gerard
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I agree that Pfeiffer, judging from the clips, is outstanding. Really really good. A completely new character which is a smart move because we'll never say anything approaching the grace and beauty that was Joan Bennett walk the earth again.
The other thing the clips showed me is just how good Green really is as Angelique. I had every confidence in her having seen her work in Camelot, but I have to say that none of the trailers really showed off just how incredible she is in the acting side of things--since all the Angelique scenes in the trailers (the ones I have seen, at least--I have been unable to see the recent ones as they are not on Youtube, apparently, and MB's downloads won't play for me) have been about stuntwork and slapstick.
This Angelique is really scary. Much more so than poor Lysette Anthony was ever given the chance to be.
There are a couple of things about Angelique in the movie that irritate me, but I'll wait to kvetch about them until we have a review page here.
G.
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I'll wait to kvetch about them until we have a review page here.
The plan is that a "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!" topic will be posted at midnight on the 11th, and that will be for discussing anything and everything about the film, including published reviews and our own opinions. And even though some reviews will more than likely be published/posted online before that topic is started, it would be best to please hold onto the newspapers/magazines and to please bookmark the Web sites until the topic is started. That way the film will already be out and we won't have to deal with spoilers because anyone who won't have seen the film yet will just have to avoid the topic until they do if they don't want anything spoiled. [ghost_wink]
And, Gerard. I agree with so much of what you've written! The things I don't are only little bits here and there, and why quibble over the little bits when I wholeheartedly support your overall theme? [ghost_smiley]
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I've come across three more things on YouTube:
Johnny Depp - Dark Shadows Interview [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z57QdSIVFGM&feature=channel&list=UL)
Helena Bonham Carter - Dark Shadows Interview [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZLC6RSLpI&feature=relmfu)
Chloë Grace Moretz - Dark Shadows Interview [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csKXJaYXGzw&feature=relmfu)
And I suspect that when you watch them, if you've seen the ET and/or Extra segments, you'll see quite a bit that looks familiar. Why? Well, as I said the other day, the reason I didn't think any of the entertainment shows had been doing any segments on the DS film was because they weren't allowed on set because of all the secrecy Burton imposed on the set. I also figured they were going to have to rely on whatever Warner Brothers would be giving them. And apparently what we're now seeing on the shows is the materials Warner Brothers have provided. And what we're seeing uploaded to YouTube are the materials that were supplied to the HollywoodTeenTV Web site. Though why they haven't also uploaded anything from Michelle Pfeiffer's interview clip or any of the behind the scenes stuff is anyone's guess. But then, the fact that they haven't means that we'll still have something to look forward to in future DS segments on the entertainment shows. Well, unless they get uploaded eventually. But the good news in all this is that, considering Warner Brothers released the clips and interviews for promotion, it's probably not likely they'll ask for them to be taken down.
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Well I for one think that Johnny is doing a great service to Frid. He had fake ears made to look like Jonathan. Yes, he is taking Jonathan's role and putting his own spin on it. Just like Ben Cross did and just like Alec Newman did. Alec was a good Barnabas too, whatever else was lacking from the pilot.
I will say it again. I didn't want a rehash although elements from the show are rehashed in a fresh way. I am ready for something fresh and new. We will always have the 1991 show to watch. We will always have the original to watch and now we have this to watch. If this keeps DS alive and brings in new people to fandom like I was brought in 21 years ago from the Revival I am totally supportive. I support the audio dramas, I support the comics. All I ask is that each and every fan give it a chance. If 87 year old Jonathan Frid could fly 20 hours to London and (something that took a terrible toll on him) to pay homage to the show that launched him 46 years ago then I will go on May 11 and pay homage to Johnny and most of all Jonathan.
I think we as humans can sometimes sense we our time is coming and I feel JF did this for all of us. It was interesting to read his forward in RETURN TO COLLINWOOD. He seemed he had finally made peace with the vampire and Dark Shadows.
My father who has never understood my fascination with Dark Shadows actually wants to go see the movie because he said it "looks great and Johnny Depp is the one of the most amazing actors of your time son!" End quote!It amazes him how different Johnny is in every role. I had to tell him that he was Jack Sparrow. He had no idea and he watches all his movies.
And who knows what this could lead to....if not sequels another revival on television....anything is possible. DS has stayed alive in some form or another for 46 years. And actually DS doesn't' have a huge huge budget to recoup. Fingers crossed....
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The other thing the clips showed me is just how good Green really is as Angelique. I had every confidence in her having seen her work in Camelot, but I have to say that none of the trailers really showed off just how incredible she is in the acting side of things--since all the Angelique scenes in the trailers (the ones I have seen, at least--I have been unable to see the recent ones as they are not on Youtube, apparently, and MB's downloads won't play for me) have been about stuntwork and slapstick.
This Angelique is really scary. Much more so than poor Lysette Anthony was ever given the chance to be.
There are a couple of things about Angelique in the movie that irritate me, but I'll wait to kvetch about them until we have a review page here.
I agree. I enjoyed Eva. I also thought Bella brought new depth to Victoria. I appreciate that.
As for the ball comment, one of the clips shows just how played out it is. And I really thought it was overkill. One joke, okay... Going on for half a minute about it is annoying. Most of the other clips were decent though.
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AMAZING POST GERARD! You can say what I am thinking. What a lovely post. Are you on Facebook. I would love if you were to post that on my DS facebook page. My DS facebook page is a page that is friendly to every incarnation of DS from the show, the remakes, the audio drama's, comics etc. I just love DS and as Gerard said its unheard of.
Do you see anyone making a 60 million dollar version of Guiding Light, General Hospital, or As The World Turns. I think not....
I am going right now to post a link to my DS FB page. If you like a fun place on FB come on over. We are a good group like we have here.
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Sorry for double post.
B ROLL of DS party scene! It's interesting! Tim Directing...I have no idea how this leaked. SPOILERISH!!!
I am not watching.
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/dark-shadows/b-roll-ii
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As for the ball comment, one of the clips shows just how played out it is. And I really thought it was overkill. One joke, okay... Going on for half a minute about it is annoying.
You're comment got me really curious, and that curiosity got the better of me and I had to watch the clip. And I'm glad I did because I see that the scene plays out as I'd hoped it would (though I suppose it wasn't hard to figure out how it might play out because we'd already seen half of it in the TV spots). And I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I didn't find anything remotely annoying - and I didn't feel 20 seconds was anything like overkill. To me it plays out as a bit of a snicker and nothing more. [ghost_smiley] And that's a good thing because it could have been played far worse...
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B ROLL of DS party scene!
Oooo - more stuff to download and not watch! [ghost_cheesy] Thanks so much. [ghost_smiley]
Sorry for double post.
And as I've said before, you never have to apologize about posting directly after yourself whenever you have something new to share. [ghost_nowink]
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I think it was Roger's full comment that got me. But it might be worth it just for the GLARE. [ghost_cheesy]
I am in love with Michelle Pfeiffer in this role. Her scene with HBC is really great. She channels Joan in many ways, but totally brings new life to the character. When you see the movie, MB, I am sure you will be just as pleased as I am with her (knowing that you and I share the same love for Liz). Stunning performance... and that is just based on these clips. But I can tell it carries all the way through. [ghost_smiley]
And thanks for sharing the B-Roll, Taeylor. And, of course, thanks to everyone else for the amazing clips!
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But it might be worth it just for the GLARE. [ghost_cheesy]
It certainly was as far as I was concerned. [ghost_grin] And I truly hope there are a lot more glares like it aimed at Roger. [ghost_wink]
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I have no idea how this leaked.
This -
Second b-roll of two for Dark Shadows. B-roll provides a compilation of behind the scenes footage from the film.
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Thanks for posting the YouTube links, SaraMonster!
I watched all the videos and they are very impressive. I know I'm going to adore Michelle's Liz and Helena's Julia. Their scene was definitely the best of all the clips that were posted, and here Liz seems to be somewhat of a compilation of Joan's Liz, insomuch as she is very dismissive and seems as if she could care less, and Judith, with her "Be fascinated" line to Julia, which was great!
I also watched the link for the B Roll that Taeylor posted, and while there is some spoiler type of information, nothing really is given away. We do get glimpses of what may happen in the climax portion of the film, but there's nothing really that ties it complete together. However, there is an awesome shot of Michelle holding the gun on the grand staircase in the foyer. And we get to see some shots of the party scene with the original actors in the background.
I'm not 100% sure about JD's Barnabas just yet. I like the way he's playing the character in some situations and in others I don't. All of the talk of "birthing hips", from the clips it seems as if this line is revisited heavily throughout the film, I really could care less about. Frankly, it's kind of stale and really unfunny to me personally. Like MB, I'm glad that the "balls" gag is played in the manner that it is because it does not come off as being tiresome to me, and really strikes the right chord of being slightly chuckle worthy and then moving on from there to other business.
Green's Angelique seems the most evil of all of the characters incarnations. She's fearsome and definitely does not take any guff from anyone. What I like the most about her is when she says her line "Everyone loves me here," and the fact that the line is EXTREMELY telling for her character and places her character into context. Collinsport is a small town, so if she has to stay there to be relevant and famous, then who is she really? Small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Though I suppose, for the residents of Collinsport of course, she poses a large threat since the town is pretty much their entire world.
Finally, I wish we would've seen more of Roger than just the breakfast table scene. I'm very intrigued about his overall role in the movie, and perhaps the fact that we've seen so little of him tells us that there may be something big in store for the character.
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On another note....
I just "liked" the Dark Shadows Movie facebook page, and found this that they just recently added:
A Dark Shadows "Which Character Are You?" Quiz!!!
http://www.facebook.com/darkshadowsmovie/app_287643174657424 (http://www.facebook.com/darkshadowsmovie/app_287643174657424)
I got Angelique.
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I got Angelique.
Um - should we be scared of you now? [ghost_shocked]
I got Barnabas - and I don't know if I should be flattered or horrified. [ghost_cheesy]
I do have to say, though, that I love the choices in the quiz. Very telling of what we have to look forward to.
Thanks so much for the link, Brandon. [ghost_smiley]
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I am Barnabas Collins.
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La Pfeiffer's scenes remind me why I became a Pfan in the first place. I think she might just walk off with the film, and that this performance could end up ranking among her finest work. Overall, I'm very pleased with these clips, although I could do without the jokier moments. On the other hand, the scene between Elizabeth and Julia has humorous moments that are handled very well, and serve to enhance the deliciousness of the scene, rather than being obvious comedy bits.
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This is fascinating - and thank heavens I recorded it because I don't always. I just discovered that the weekend edition of Entertainment Tonight ran a longer version of its DS segment. More behind the scenes footage, more film footage (though probably stuff that's already available on Youtube), and more of the interviews (stuff that isn't contained in what's been uploaded on YouTube). Except for when they do special weekend shows that are completely unrelated to what they do during the week (but those shows seem to be few and far between lately), who knew that the segments they decide to show on the weekends aren't exactly the same as what they've shown during the week? I sure as hell didn't.
If the weekend show hasn't already run in your area, you should definitely check it out...
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Thanks for the link, Brandon! I got Carolyn Stoddard, strangely enough! (I wish! I'd like to get those ~40 years back [ghost_grin] ) I didn't even give the answer about playing vinyl records. I actually wanted to be Julia, since I'm a scientist, but I thought more of my answers were closer to Barnabas and Roger. I'm guessing that my votes were split among many of the characters, but that's okay, I'll take Carolyn! [ghost_cool]
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EVERYONE take a big guess who I am! Of course I manipulate it to be my favorite Doctor! :)
I have been on board with the MICHELLE P bandwagon since she was in talks. I heard so many say, she isn't old enough. Well she is very close to Joan's age when Joan started; but hey 53 is the new 43! I think Helena, Johnny, Michelle, Eva and little Gulliver are going to be my faves. I also think that Johnny Lee Miller has captured a lot of Louis Edmonds.....Hell I love the whole cast. Who am I kidding??
I can't seem to find the Spoiler button...maybe it's exhaustion?
Hey MB...I always forget about the double posting thing. Sorry about that! ;)
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I just took the quiz...would you believe I'm a Carolyn? [ghost_blink]
Like MB, I don't know whether to feel complimented, or just be plain dazed and confused. [ghost_cheesy]
I mean, I like Carolyn and all, but I don't really feel I have much in common with her. Ah, well. I guess I can't argue with fate....snicker, snicker. [ghost_grin]
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Well, you win some, you lose some. I may have caught the longer ET, but apparently I missed at least one showing of something else. I completely forget to figure out what I was going to program tonight to try to catch potential new DS TV spots, and by the time I decided to record ABC and FOX their programs had already started. And wouldn't you know that just as my ABC recording started a new DS TV spot was just about concluding. Though I'm sure it'll be on again at some point. And on the bright side we do know another new spot has been released...
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Among all of the #DarkShadows Twitter traffic this afternoon, I came across a couple of posts from Hollywood media types mentioning being en route to interview the cast of the film, so this may have been the day that they filed all the reporters in for their individual interview spots.
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Hmm, well the new clips are certainly better than the trailers and promos. I enjoyed some aspects of the new clips and could feel a bit of actual DS going on in between the foolishness. Still, I don't care for the comedy. It puts a damper on it for me.
At the risk of being a killjoy again (sorry cousins), I don't think it's okay for Burton and Depp to "have some fun with DS" like we do in the fandom. It's one thing to joke around online or at a Fest, but this film is big... MASSIVE. This picture has the potential to rebrand "Dark Shadows" as a "dark comedy" on the pop-culture consciousness for decades to come. Let's take Batman for example. Batman started off as a dark and tragic figure in 1939. In the 40s and 50s he evolved into a more kid-friendly hero. In the 60s, the mega-popular TV show made him a campy caped crusader and THAT'S how the public perceived him for over 20 years. Sure, the comic creators yearned for the return of the Dark Knight with stories like the grim and gritty ‘The Dark Knight Returns’, but the general populace still thought of Adam West hikinks when the name “Batman” came up. However, in 1989, someone brought the Batman back into the shadows in a very BIG way. It was Tim Burton of course. His take on Batman had an enormous impact on the way the public viewed (and continues to view) that character.
When we create funny captions, cartoons, and comedy skits within the fandom that's one thing (and yes, I love that stuff too!), but taking that type of humor to the level Burton and Depp have taken it is irresponsible IMO. I'm not denying their fandom in any way and I BET you it all started with Burton and Depp AS fans having a laugh over how Barnabas must have reacted to the modern world upon his release. Of course it's fun to imagine and laugh about those things, but actually depicting such situations utterly undermines and satirizes the source material. It really sends the Gothic tradition over Widow's Hill and onto the rocks below! *krssshhh! ouch! splash!* [ghost_shocked]
Sorry to be a Debbie Downer guys and gals. I really wish I could share the enthusiasm many of you are showing for the film. Instead, I feel a mix of trepidation and curiosity. I do think the new clips are better than the trailers, so maybe there's some hope for this grumpy old fangirl. ;)
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AMAZING POST GERARD! You can say what I am thinking. What a lovely post. Are you on Facebook. I would love if you were to post that on my DS facebook page.
Thank you, Taeylor! No, I don't have a facebook profile, but you're more than welcome to copy and post what I said on your profile.
Gerard
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"irresponsible" to what penny?
i appreciate your passion but the thing we need to remember is that "we" are the only people who take this seriously.
to the general public DS is, and always will be, a "campy" 1960's soap opera. even for people who recall it with fondness. it's unfortunate but true.
it wasn't a comedy to be sure. it took itself deadly serious. but the film is not likely going to change popular opinions of the "source material" one way or the other because it is simply not something that is held in high esteem to begin with.
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to the general public DS is, and always will be, a "campy" 1960's soap opera. even for people who recall it with fondness. it's unfortunate but true.
I know Michael, and I appreciate your response, but does this mean we should just throw in the towel and say "so be it?" I say nay. I'm all for new directions, angles, and storylines. Absolutely. But tone and mood is key. I fear this new film will just add to skewed public perceptions about DS. This is unfortunate because it could have really helped put these perceptions to rest. Several of the creators behind the classic series dislike(d) those erroneous ideas about the show and I guess I've always felt for them in that regard.
but the film is not likely going to change popular opinions of the "source material" one way or the other because it is simply not something that is held in high esteem to begin with.
Again I ask, should we just give in to those opinions? I just can't say, "Oh well, a lot of people think it's silly anyway so it's okay with me if they make a funny version." It bugs me, y'know?
In 'Night of the Iguana' Hannah Jelkes says, "accept whatever situation you cannot improve." I delivered that line every night when I played the role and I want to take Hannah's advice, but I just can't seem to do it. I lead a fairly busy life, and I've got more important things to worry about than some movie and yet...it really matters to me for some reason. *shrugs*
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I'm ok with comedy in DS, I just don't think it should come from Barnabas. I don't know the eposide number but shortly before Barnabas came on the show Jason and Willie talked about the "family jewels" and imho it was funnier than the "balls" bit. In fact the only line I've seen in the trailers that made me laugh was the one about Alice being the "ugliest woman I've ever seen". To me what appears to be what they think is funny just isn't, at least not for me.
I'm ok with a new take on DS, I just feel like this could have been a great new film. My hope is that it at least doubles it budget at the box office it's first day. I hope that the films that follow this one will be great, epic, gothic love/horror stories. I hope they get a second chance and that they listen to the fans. I'm afraid it will either bomb at the box office and we won't get another or it will be a hit and the next one will be even more of a comedy. Dark Shadows 2; The Vampire That Shagged Me.
For some reason, it matters to me as well.
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Thank you for those thoughts, Penny. Of course what people think about DS matters to you. How can it not?
More than any other television show I have ever been engaged with, DS speaks to my heart. Collinwood was my refuge at the most difficult, awkward moment in my life. I actually don't mind the laughter since I often laugh along as well, but I do mind the perception that "it was so awful" or "so boring, how could you watch it."
I don't have any answers, but I want you to know that I can sympathize with the discomfort all of this makes you feel.
hugs, Uncle Gothick
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I just want to chime in and say that I totally get it, Penny. And I think you have helped sum up a few of my concerns as well. But I want to add my own additional thoughts:
Let's look at Planet of the Apes. After the Burton film, it took a decade before it got another treatment. Same with Disney's Haunted Mansion... After the disastrous first film (which this version of DS really harkens back to for me in terms of tone), it took a decade before they would even grant another go at it. For a whole decade, the idea of giving respect to the property was unthinkable... Until Guillermo Del Toro came on board. And we probably won't see that film until 2014 - 11 years after the release of the first movie. Either way, this version of the show is going to define Dark Shadows for a considerable amount of time. If it flops, it will be redefined for, at least, a decade and remain a virtually untouchable property. If it does well, it could become what the public thinks about when they think of DS... And I wouldn't have a problem with that if it weren't for a certain type of humor which has made its way into the script... because that is not what anyone would consider to be inherent in the Dark Shadows tradition. And I feel it detracts from the elements we all feel are the core.
We'll see how it all plays out in the final product. Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.
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Behind the scenes footage (not sure of how many spoilers, frankly I didn't watch more than a few seconds, just incase)
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/dark-shadows/b-roll-i
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/dark-shadows/b-roll-ii [same footage linked in Reply #4028 --admin]
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i get everyone's concerns...
but i guess part of my thing is that i long ago stopped caring about the "public perception"of the series. it doesn't mean anything in terms of my affection for it. i love it, if other people think it's stupid it doesn't matter to me. i no longer think it's worth getting upset or defensive about. who cares?
at best the people in my life think of my DS preoccupation as a charming eccentricity. at worst a troublesome obsession.
so now we have a big-budget movie rather than a shoe-string soap. it will be what it will be but even if the film was "serious" and viewers went back and checked out the OS they're still going to see rubber bats on strings and thayer david's head popping out of a hole in a table. they might find it charming...as i did...or they might find it ridiculous. it doesn't matter to me.
i'm all for having a thriving fanbase but the OS is VERY MUCH an acquired taste and an enormous commitment of time. i'm not sure the film will change that much either way.
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and to relate this to that other 1960's "cult" series...
no matter how many serious, big-budget movies that the 'star trek' franchise has thrown out there the "public perception" of it is still very much geek central.
just the other night it was a late-night punchline(again)...the host(i forget which one)announced that president obama was a fan of 'star trek'...which is why he's "trending so well with virgins between the ages of 45 and 60". zwing!
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Behind the scenes footage
Very cool!!!
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but even if the film was "serious" and viewers went back and checked out the OS they're still going to see rubber bats on strings and thayer david's head popping out of a hole in a table. they might find it charming...as i did...or they might find it ridiculous. ...
i'm all for having a thriving fanbase but the OS is VERY MUCH an acquired taste and an enormous commitment of time. i'm not sure the film will change that much either way.
no matter how many serious, big-budget movies that the 'star trek' franchise has thrown out there the "public perception" of it is still very much geek central.
All of which is very true. And when it comes to the original DS, as others have said, the general public's perception is already that it's a cheesy and campy soap opera, and I seriously doubt that even if this new film was to be perfectly serious, that would change. [ghost_nowink] In fact, the general audience would probably be wondering why the film was so serious. [ghost_rolleyes]
And as for checking out the original series, people are either going to do that or they're not - and they're either going to like it or they're not - but the new film isn't going to make a bit of difference when it comes to whether they like it or they don't. They're are plenty of people who loved the mostly serious take that the '91 DS did, but they still think the original is cheesy and campy. That's just going to be a rule of perception with many people forever. And probably the more years that pass by, the more of a perception it's going to become because the more the special effects and acting styles will look dated to new viewers.
But don't get me wrong, I love the original DS. And I think I've proven that over and over again on this forum. But I'm not blind to the fact that the original, as michael c said, is very much an acquired taste. And that's a fact that always will be true regardless of how the show may be reimagined in this new film or what sort of take any version in the future might decide upon.
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I think it takes a certain temperament to appreciate the OS. It is even more firmly rooted in Sixties culture than was Star Trek--the budget was much lower and it is much more theatrical, on every level.
I have a friend who likes a lot of the same movies and TV shows that I do, and he can't get into DS. He always finds it "too slow." He's only about six years younger than me.
I am rather curious as to what impact the new movie will have on the public's image of Barnabas. To me at least he comes off as a goofy freak in the clips. Frid's Barnabas was such a haunting figure of mystery... those eyes ... that voice. There was this sense of an inner sorrow that could never find solace. Even with the Ben Cross interpretation, there was this tragic sense of wounded dignity that fed his anger and, at times, arrogance. In the original 1967 Barnabas narrative, in the Maggie kidnapping storyline, Barnabas really did seem hyper-insane in a number of those scenes where he was trying to harrow the girl into becoming "my Josette." It was some of the scariest stuff ever seen on television IMO.
Depp's performance makes me think of inspired lunacy on the scale of Dieter from Sprockets on SNL. I wrote to a friend yesterday that having seen the clips, it would seem that the entire movie had to be tilted towards the absurd in order to accommodate the craziness of Depp's take on Barnabas and, in a sense, provide a frame or a context for it. Sort of the way you would redecorate a room in your house before hanging some really unusual painting in it.
I do think that Pfeiffer does a fabulous job of provided a much needed counterpoint of realism that somehow helps to make what Depp does work, in the context of the movie--to judge from the scenes posted yesterday.
cheers, G.
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Eva Green will be the lead guest on Jimmy Kimmel Live on Wednesday May 2 according to The Late Night TV Page - Talk Show Guest Listings http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html
This site also has advance guest lists for four of the major daytime talk shows including Ellen and could be useful in the coming weeks.
Kimmel is apparently having a DS bonanza, because Chloe Moretz will guest (along with Kristen Stewart, vampire overload, lol!) on May 7, and Johnny on May 8. Chloe will also be on Letterman on the 3rd.
http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html#LS (http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html#LS)
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Frid's Barnabas was such a haunting figure of mystery... those eyes ... that voice.
Whether it was Frid's innate talent or classical training (or a combination of both), he accomplished so much with nuanced expressiveness in the face/eyes and use of his voice. In the latter especially, he could move from sorrow to growling rage in a second (Astredo could do the same, suave to fury in the blink of an eye and all in the voice). Frid's Barnabas had gravitas.
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Hmm, well the new clips are certainly better than the trailers and promos. I enjoyed some aspects of the new clips and could feel a bit of actual DS going on in between the foolishness. Still, I don't care for the comedy. It puts a damper on it for me.
Sorry to be a Debbie Downer guys and gals. I really wish I could share the enthusiasm many of you are showing for the film. Instead, I feel a mix of trepidation and curiosity. I do think the new clips are better than the trailers, so maybe there's some hope for this grumpy old fangirl. ;)
All I ask of any fan is to give it a try. Jonthan Frid in poor health did this for us. He made a cameo for us. I feel that should be honored. I am not trying to guilt anyone; however, that is how I see it.
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There's no doubt that Jonathan Frid is going to be a tough act to follow...he made Barnabas such an iconic, complex character. I never felt that Ben Cross really did justice to the role, there was just something off putting about the way he portrayed Barnabas. I am glad that others can appreciate Cross' interpertation of the role. But I never felt for him the way I did for Jonathan. I can't put my finger on it but he just left me cold.
I never saw the 2004 pilot so I can't comment about Alec Newman.
I don't expect an exact replica of Frid's Barnabas but I do hope there will be something about Depp's Barnabas
that will make me appreciate his own take of such a legendary character.
I can understand why some might be off put by the humor in the trailers, but until the movie comes out, I want to withhold any critical judgments. I'm a lot more excited about DS the film than I was when rumors it was going to be made as a feature film came out...I realize I might end up disappointed, we all may well end up being. But we don't have much longer to wait to find out one way or another.
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Frid's Barnabas had gravitas.
In abundance! Alas, while Depp is a good actor, he lacks the gravitas that actors like Frid, Karloff, and Lee had/have.
I agree that the original series is an acquired taste. Some friends of mine tried to mainline the OS in preparation for the new film and they didn't make it very far, not because they felt it was bad, but because they thought the pacing was too slow. One of them actually griped that she wanted Willie "to just go away because all he does is stay in bed and whine." I assured her that Willie is a very compelling character and that he will become integral to the upcoming plotline. She and her BF are having a tough time slogging through. I suggested the MPI edited release "The Vampire's Curse." I haven't watched it, so I'm not sure how it plays but it might be better for them.
Also, I'm not opposed to SOME humor. The classic series and the '91 series contained funny elements and characters. However, there's a big difference in the type, purpose, and amount of humor found in the earlier incarnations. There's humor to be found in Three Stooges shorts, Thin Man mysteries, and even in Hammer Dracula films BUT humor is used VERY differently and for different reasons in each of those. Burton's take strikes me more as Austin Powers meets Edward Gorey meets The Brady Bunch Movie which is way off-base for something called Dark Shadows. Eh, it is what it is I s'pose.
I will watch it Taeylor, and I will give it a chance. I'm excited to see the classic series actors in it. Despite how I feel about what I've seen of the film, I'm thrilled that Jonathan Frid appeared in it.
PS - Thanks for the hugs Uncle G! :)
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Today I was talking to a SUPERNATURAL fandom friend who will not watch the original but is psyched about the movie and cannot wait. He is going to the late showing. I told him about DS years ago but he didn't like it.
In this world there is all kinds of different "tastes" and we now have all kind of different incarnations of DS that gives every viewer out there something different to sink their teeth into (couldn't resist) with each new interpretation. :)
And Penny I was not being hateful. I truly understand how you feel. I just wish everyone would at least go see it that is in fandom. Do they want DS to be around years from now? DS has really been perpetuated for years but what if it isn't perpetuated on will DS continue to live 46 years from now? When I say that I mean conventions, movies merchandise etc. I have friends who wrote and wrote into stations to carry DS/ who begged MPI to release the whole series. I just want DS fandom to be around long after I am dust.
I had to totally open my mind up when I first watched the original because 1991 was my intro and now I would consider them both for the most part equal in my heart; the only thing that exceeds the original (for me) is that the Revival was my first visual taste of DS. I had listened to the record at my Grandmother's as a child and the music scared me.
Of course my Aunt and I watched vampires being staked when I was 8 and it was bloody! What movie it was I have no idea; however, it was fond memory. I have always been drawn to the SPN.
I hope I make sense. I am really sick.
That makes me so happy Penny because I know some people in fandom who will not even bother to go see the movie! I find it sad that he did this for them and they are boycotting it.
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i'll add this although i know i'll get into trouble...
while we all tend to get sentimental about the series' high points...joan bennett for instance and jonathan's "haunting" and "nuanced" and "complex" performance... there are many times when the series was just plain bad.
for me most of 1968 was DS at it's absolute camp worst. monsters coming out of woodwork. robert rodan's boring, thuggish adam. don briscoe's eye-bugging, tongue-wagging tom jennings in vampire mode. for me it's almost unwatchable.
for me this was not dan curtis' purity of vision but a cash in. it's a hot mess. even frid himself took a back seat to this nonsense.
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I'm sorry to hear you're sick Taeylor. I hope you feel better soon. :) No worries - your comment didn't sound remotely hateful!
I totally understand what you mean about wanting DS around for decades to come. But let's think about why DS IS still around. It's because of the fans of course. The fans kept it alive for all these years. We kept the flame burning. Since the general public doesn't care either way, I think it would have been a wiser choice if Burton and Depp avoided the overt yucks and sight gags. If they'd stuck with a more respectful take on the source material, I think the fan outcry wouldn't have been as loud and the general public would have gone anyway because it's a Burton/Depp flick.
Anywho, I'll be there opening night to give it a whirl and maybe I'll even like it. We'll see.
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Thanks for the link! I didn't see any of the original actors but will take it for granted that they're there.
I was most interested in the oval portrait behind JD's shoulder in one shot--a portrait of Naomi, perhaps?
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Cool detail I noticed from watching the "Why have you done this to me" clip:
[spoiler]Angelique's boardroom has walls lined with portraits of herself, each one painted in a different historical epoch. That's a pretty neat allusion to all the plot points that revolved around portraits over the years on DS.[/spoiler]
This movie definitely has fantastic art direction...
G.
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i'm curious to see how they rationalize the same person being around collinsport for 200 years.
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She looks very different in all of those pictures, so I am assuming, like Cassandra in the original, she used different identities throughout the years.
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why did,nt depp go with john august sceenplay it was a real horror story not this endless round of bad jokes. and now that the movie is over do the rights go back to the curtis estate or dose depp keep them?there must have been someone else interested besides depp they should have been sold to them.
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Actually, we don't know for sure what John August's script was like - but we do know that when producer Richard Zanuck described it he said that it wasn't "a soap opera," it was "scary," it was "very funny," and it carried "the Tim Burton stamp of uniqueness." And frankly that sounds very much like the way Seth Grahame-Smith's script has been being described.
And as for the rights deal Depp made, the details were never made public. It's quite possible that it's already stated in the deal that he retains the rights should he decide to do a sequel. Or it could contain an option to renew should he decide to do a sequel. Or the deal could expire with the completion and release of this film. It's all just something we'll have to wait to see...
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Kimmel is apparently having a DS bonanza, because Chloe Moretz will guest (along with Kristen Stewart, vampire overload, lol!) on May 7, and Johnny on May 8. Chloe will also be on Letterman on the 3rd.
Thanks for the info. And I also see that Jonny Lee Miller will be an Kimmel on Monday the 30th and Eva Green will be on the show Wednesday the 2nd. He's definitely having a DS bonanza!!
And if all that wasn't enough, Michelle Pfeiffer is on Leno on the 7th, so that night we get two DS stars on late night talk shows!
No word yet when Depp is on Ellen - but since it's not this week, he must be on next week. And since I record Ellen every day, I'll certainly post as soon as I see when he's going to be on...
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I have a few thoughts on Christopher Lee...
How could the reviewer say that Christopher Lee was not recognizable when he first came on the screen?
Secondly, his character is named Silas Clarney according to the production notes.
http://darkshadowsmovie.warnerbros.com/assets/img/_downloads/_pdf/Dark_Shadows_Production_Notes.pdf
If you have not read them, be aware that they answer several questions brought up in this thread. And while they contain more detailed information about plot and characters, I would not consider any of the information to give away major spoilers. But there were some things I read that I would have wanted to remain a mystery until I saw the actual film.
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I'll take that under advisement, Cousin_Barnabas. And thanks for the link. [ghost_smiley]
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thanks cb...
the notes are very interesting. i really don't see them as spoilerish per se either. actually they do answer one question that seems to be troubling many. reading them might not be a bad idea.
it's becoming clear to me that this victoria is not the virginal naif alexandra moltke or even joanna going played. with her flip hairdo and childish wardrobe i originally thought they were going to try and recapture that preternatural naivety but it's seeming like a totally new spin on the character.
with each new clip and summation i become more intrigued. i had sort of resigned myself to the goofiness of the trailers so it's nice to read there is more going on.
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oh and could "silas clarney" possibly be more of a DS-ish name for a character?
actually it sounds like some weird character from the ross novels a la professor veno.
still i'm somewhat saddened lee's not playing malloy.
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This particular passage from those production notes is not a spoiler, but I think is worth pointing out to folks who might be wary of reading the document. If quoting two paragraphs is a violation of the TOS, I will understand if this post is deleted. Also, emphasis shown is mine, not in the document:
Producer David Kennedy had been partnered with the series’ creator, the late Dan Curtis, years after the show wrapped, and Curtis would come to entrust Kennedy with perhaps his most inventive creation. Kennedy reveals that the satirical bent in Burton’s new incarnation of “Dark Shadows” was always part of Curtis’s vision. “When Tim and Johnny talked about what they wanted to do with ‘Dark Shadows,’ they had such a sense of fun that I just knew it was in the right hands. I honestly don’t think the movie could ever have happened without them, and also Christi.”
He continues, “I’m sure there are going to be hardcore ‘Dark Shadows’ fans who are going to say that the original series didn’t have that much humor in it. And it didn’t. But Dan always wanted it to, and I think he’d be really happy with where we ended up. For me personally, it’s a dream come true.”
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I refuse to look...I refuse to look <<<<< I repeat to myself as if I am Julia Hoffman hypnotizing Julia! ;) I do refuse to look though. I am afraid it will say something I don't want to see.
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Wow. Talk about re-writing history. *shrug*
I wonder if a lot of this stuff will turn up in the making-of book that's supposed to be coming out, at some point? Or did I hallucinate a remark about a book that would come out? It was mentioned sometime last year, in the Summer I think...
G.
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I'm not so sure it's rewriting history. As I've posted a few times with regard to the '91 DS, DC said that he specifically made Willie the main comic relief because he felt the show needed humor to counterbalance all the ripping and tearing vampire action. And as I've also posted a few times with regard to the '04 pilot, DC said back in '04 that they planned to explore Barnabas' introduction to the 21st century with humor (Jim Pierson's '08 MPI interview also confirmed that). So, what's written in that except from the film's production notes would seem to completely follow what DC came to see as a needed ingredient in DS. And even though we have absolutely no way of knowing that if the pilot had gone to series it would have had as much humor with Barnabas dealing with the 21st century as the new film would seem to have with him dealing with 1972, at least the concept of dealing with that situation humorously would definitely seem to be well within DC's wish. And I'm glad that something has finally surfaced to say as much because it seems as if the articles from back in '04 that went into how DC wanted humor in a potential '04 series have disappeared into the ether (like so much of the stuff that we linked to back then seems to have), or at least I can no longer find them. But trust me, they did indeed exist...
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Well, I just finished scanning through the commercials during the last of the programs I recorded tonight, and while there were many DS spots run (it seems as if FOX has joined with the CW in running DS spots during every one of their shows - or at least that was the case tonight), none of the spots run was the new one that I only caught the end of last night. However, what I did discover is that in addition to the "special preview" that will run during this upcoming Thursday's ep of The Vampire Diaries, a "special look" at DS will run during Modern Family. The promo didn't specifically say this Wednesday as it was mainly to promote that MF will be new throughout all of May. But if it's not this Wednesday, it would surely have to be next Wednesday. But MF is one of the shows I record regularly, anyway.
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dan curtis is dead he can,nt speak for himself anyone can claim they know what he wanted. if he wanted to make ds a comedy he could have made the 91 show one which it was not ben cross did not play barnabas as funny.
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But DC did speak for himself with regard to the potential '04 DS. And no one is saying he wanted to make DS into a comedy - only that he wanted to introduce more humor into DS. And yes, when it came to a potential '04 DS, DC wanted that humor to have come via Barnabas.
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I hope they add the pilot to the DVD SO BADLY!
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THE TV LAND AWARDS were presented by DARK SHADOWS the movie. interesting because DARK SHADOWS the show has never been featured or awarded anything on the TV LAND awards.
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THE TV LAND AWARDS were presented by DARK SHADOWS the movie. interesting because DARK SHADOWS the show has never been featured or awarded anything on the TV LAND awards.
Seth Grahame-Smith's father is the talent exec/producer for the TVLand Awards, though that doesn't necessarily have to factor in to why they chose to sponsor that particular show. It's kind of a no-brainer given the retro tv element.
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I will write more later as I woke up; however still weak from the antibiotics I am on.I wanted to see if anything is new was going on.
I also saw the TV LAND award. I love One Day At A TIME. I wish it were in reruns.
I thought since DS was so heavily promoted during the show that maybe this will give the producers of the show an idea to possibly give DS an award for GROUNDBREAKING SOAP OPERA or something. That would be really nice if all of the surviving members could be there. And it would be cool if they did a soap award every year starting with our favorite soap! :)
I am still hoping DS makes it's budget back in the first week or at least two weeks. I know I am going to see it with my best DS friend on May 11 and then 8 of my friends from my hometown are meeting me to go see it again. They are so excited and plan on watching the original on netflix.
Does the 60 million include promotion??
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Well, I just found out from a friend that even though it wasn't the new spot that I saw the end of on Saturday night, another new spot ran during today's ep of Days of our Lives. And the good news is that she's going to make a DVD copy of her recording of the show and drop it off to me later today.
Among other things, apparently this latest one includes David asking Barnabas why he has ladies underwear on his face and Barnabas replying with the classic line "Never mind that." [ghost_grin]
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A friend of mine who manages a movie theatre saw a screening of the first 20 minutes of the film. This is apparently part of his job, as it was not a public screening. He's a DS fan, though not as devoted as any of us here. He was quite impressed with it, stressing that the humor is there, but is not as jarring in the context of the movie.
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A friend of mine who manages a movie theatre saw a screening of the first 20 minutes of the film. This is apparently part of his job, as it was not a public screening. He's a DS fan, though not as devoted as any of us here. He was quite impressed with it, stressing that the humor is there, but is not as jarring in the context of the movie.
Thanks Uncle Roger, I'm crossing my fingers about this!
On another note, I think/hope this is new- a very brief tidbit from Bella Heathcote about her kissing scene(s) with Johnny:
E! Online: Dark Shadows Star Reveals What It Was Like to Make Out With Johnny Depp! (http://www.eonline.com/news/dark_shadows_star_reveals_what_it_was/312504?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-celebritynews&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_celebritynews)
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Oops, too late to modify the above- I posted this after reading the article but hadn't actually watched the video, which is longer and actually has a bit more with both Bella and Chloe. Chloe is so cute in talking about both Johnny and especially Michelle! [ghost_smiley]
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If you've taken a look at the web site for Grauman's Chinese Theatre, you may have noticed that they offer live webcasts of some of the events held there. However, the word from the theatre's event coordinator is that Warner Bros. has opted not to make a live stream available when Dark Shadows premieres next week.
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If you've taken a look at the web site for Grauman's Chinese Theatre, you may have noticed that they offer live webcasts of some of the events held there. However, the word from the theatre's event coordinator is that Warner Bros. has opted not to make a live stream available when Dark Shadows premieres next week.
Party poopers!
At this past weekend's Chiller Theatre, Alice Cooper told one of my friends that he and his band were invited to play at the premiere. Don't know fans will be able to get to any of this; security blocks the surrounding area off pretty early in the day. But if Alice is playing, you should be able to hear him if you're in the vicinity.
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Even if they don't have live streaming, there will be a ton of photos and probably lots of interviews that will come out of it. There will also be London and Tokyo premieres within a few days of one another. I'm expecting a lot of coverage!
And thanks Uncle Roger for the tip about Alice performing. That should be really cool (and Johnny, please play with him like you did last year, lol!)
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You're more than welcome! Wouldn't it have made a great episode of I Love Lucy if Lucy and Ethel decided to crash the premiere? Picture Ethel trying to make friends with Alice's snake and Lucy somehow stumbling into the guillotine? Fred, of course, would be too busy trying to get Michelle Pfeiffer's attention to notice them. [ghost_grin]
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I know it's upsetting to many DS fans that this movie is not a straight-forward horror picture and that the huge amounts of comedy are disturbing, as if Depp and Burton are making fun of the series which we - and they - have loved so much. But, again, in my opinion, the straight-forward approach to the original story line has been done - pardon the pun - to death. It worked in the original, despite the many inconsistencies as the storyline built, because it was the original. It was fine in the HoDS approach, but it lacked (not because of the script - the PTB demanded cuts) character development and plot explanations. It didn't work as well in the '91 remake because it was so much in-your-face and had even greater consistencies. I don't know how it worked in the '04 attempted remake because, as I said before, I've never seen it. It needs - pardon another pun - new life and new blood. If that means diverting from the original intent, and tossing in more comedy (if it works, and from what I've seen, most of it does because it's logical in the storyline), then that's what it means. Regarding the comedic aspects, it seems that it works far better here than was Dan Curtis tried in his '91 remake - making Willie Loomis a doofus, as opposed to the tormented soul portrayed by in the original, fell flat. His "aw, shucks, Mr. Barnabas" approach was simply annoying. Abbott and Costello did it better when they met Dracula, Frankenstein's monster and the Wolfman all in one movie. I laugh during that one, and appreciate the retained horror, but not with the '91 DS version.
I see so much of the original in the clips from this movie. I see a re-working of the original (especially with Angelique becoming a composite of herself, Burk Devlin and a bit of Laura Collins) simply brilliant. Having Elizabeth Collins Stoddard being more of "let's do what it takes to get them and make us rise again" character, rather than the equally fantastic "I've-got-a-secret-and-it's-destroying-me" character is also incredible. "Younging" Carolyn Collins Stoddard by four years into a morose 15-year-old with a sassy mouth is wonderful, while the original 19-year-old "my-life-stinks" was a brilliant character portrayal. It even seems to me that Vicki has been upgraded. In the original, she devolved into such a whiney "I-don't-understand" person who lost her backbone that she became another annoyance. In the '91 version, her characterization made her look just plain - again, in my opinion - dumber than the original, if that's possible. In this one, despite from what we've seen as her dressed like a prim-and-proper Catholic school girl, she has a bit of a nerve. And Julia, from both earlier visions, has gone all out from being a torn, fearful, angst-ridden person to a b*tchy, hootch-downing don't-snap-my-bra woman with a bit of vulnerability.
Of course, because I haven't seen the movie yet, I could be wrong on all counts.
It's all good. But what was good before does not necessarily work anymore. It's obvious that Depp and Burton wanted to enjoy making this film because they both love the series. They also wanted to capitalize on the current vampire rage in the media (right up there with the zombie rage, and that's good - I love zombies; I'm a big fan of The Walking Dead). But they didn't want to make another Twilight knock-off. Twilight is now becoming old news - the latest film was seared. Our series never should be.
Gerard
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All good points Gerard, I just don't believe you have to make Barnabas funny to make it fresh and new.
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At this past weekend's Chiller Theatre, Alice Cooper told one of my friends that he and his band were invited to play at the premiere. Don't know fans will be able to get to any of this; security blocks the surrounding area off pretty early in the day. But if Alice is playing, you should be able to hear him if you're in the vicinity.
Isn't it more likely that he'd play at the premiere after-party rather than at Grauman's?
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nicely said gerard...
of course the dirty little secret that those hardcore "horror fans" don't want to admit is that 'dark shadows' was a soap opera.
to paraphrase someone at another board "general hospital with vampires and velvet drapes". [ghost_rolleyes]
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i'll also add that this isn't an "either/or" situation for me...
if another producer/director came along and reinterpreted this in a very dark and sinister way and it looked as well produced as this i'm sure i'd be very excited for that too.
i'm very open to variations on the theme. this just looks fun to me. that's why i've been defending it. not because i don't want or wouldn't welcome a much darker spin.
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Isn't it more likely that he'd play at the premiere after-party rather than at Grauman's?
They've done some pretty odd stuff at Grauman's over the years but you may well be right on that, Midnite. I didn't speak to Cooper myself, so I may have misunderstood what was said.
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You lost me, Gerard, on much of what you said about the '91 DS (I really enjoyed the show's take on Willie, and I loved its take on Vicki - and I know I'm not alone in that, particularly when it comes to the latter, as numerous posts on the forum from many members will attest - though, of course, this is not a topic to discuss the '91 DS, so I won't any further), but again I totally support your overall theme.
Changing reels entirely, I'm really looking forward to Jonny Lee Miller on Jimmy Kimmel later on. As I mentioned back when he was cast, I love much of his work, and from what we've seen so far (which sadly hasn't been much so far as footage goes) it looks like he might really nail Roger in the film. So, I'm really curious to hear what he has to say about the film. And I'm even curiouser to see if they'll show a clip and what type of a clip it might be. Part of me would really like to see a clip from the scene we've only gotten glimpses of when Barnabas confronts Roger - but another part of me would rather wait to see that scene in the film. Though maybe they'll show the "balls" scene. I suppose we'll see...
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I realize many on here appreciate Jim Fyfe's comic interperation of Willie, and I certainly don't want to step on any toes, but I agree with Gerard...I did not appreciate Dan Curtis reducing the character of Willie from a complex, rough-around-the-edges type of character he was in the original show into a second rate Lou Costello that he was portayed as in the 91 revival. Maybe I wouldn't have minded so much if Willie hadn't been written as a total moron and had SOME smarts about him. I think DC could have found a way to make the 1991 Willie humorous without turning him into someone who made Spongebob Squarepants look like Albert Einstein. But again, this is just my opinion.
I don't know what to make of Jackie's Willie from the few clips I've seen with him in them. It appears that he might also have infused some humor into him, but how much or how little, I don't know yet and won't until the movie comes out. I might appreciate Jackie's style more than Fyfe's but that remains to be seen as of yet.
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Well, it's been a very busy day DS-wise today.
Earlier I posted about the new spot that ran during DooL.
And I just discover that not only did Access Hollywood have a brief segment with Michelle Pfeiffer at CinemaCon regarding the award she was given which also included an even briefer glimpse of DS (the horses scene), but Extra did an entire interview segment with Pfeiffer which must have been held during the press junket that MsCriseyde alerted us to over the weekend because the set included both the film's main poster as well as a backdrop of the drawing room set. The segment also featured a few glimpses of scenes from the film and behind the scenes footage that we have not seen.
And if all that wasn't enough, tonight during Dancing With The Stars I managed to catch the spot I only got the end of on Saturday, and another new spot ran during The Voice, making it two new spots in the same day.
And I haven't even checked all the shows that I recorded tonight. Though I suspect that's probably all the new stuff for today. But I doubt any of us will complain. And, of course, tomorrow will technically kick off with Jonny Lee MIller's appearance on Jimmy Kimmel.
So, all in all I suspect we're in for several DS filled days over the next two weeks...
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Well, we did get to see the clip I'd hoped we might - and thankfully it didn't go too far.
It would have been nice had there been more discussion about DS, but that's how things go. Though if they didn't have what certainly seemed like 1000 commercials before the show came back for his segment, maybe there would have been more time to discuss DS. Though I can't complain that one of those commercials was the latest TV spot.
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I have to disagree with Gerard about 1991. I thought Victoria was smart. She was very plucky, seemed intuitive and she knew something was going on; however, I don't think she could put her finger on it. Also in the past she saved the future and also figured out that the two Barnabas Collins she knew were immortals. I saw no traits of original Victoria in her. I loved Joanna Going. She is my favorite Victoria thus far. Although, from what I have seen I loved Marley Shelton's Victoria as well. She was even more on top of things.
Cannot believe my dreams of seeing DS on the big screen (in my lifetime) are coming to life in ten days! It's been a long road guys....but here were are! :) I guess the OS viewers felt this way when HODS was coming out.
Has anyone seen this??
http://perezhilton.com/2012-05-01-behind-the-scenes-footage-dark-shadows-tim-burton-johnny-depp#.T591rhdGyg4
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Taeylor, isn't that the same footage that you shared before - just all together? I found it fascinating. It was great getting to hear actual dialogue instead of the silly lines that appear in the commercials. And while I appreciated it, it does provide some spoilers if one knows what he is looking for. (And it does confirm to me that the recent reviewer had indeed seen the film.) I really enjoyed it, though.
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Jonny Lee Miller on Kimmel was a bust they did show a scene where Roger I guess was looking for liquor and Barnabas opens a cabinet for him and after a verbal altercation hoists him up under the chin--then there was some chat about Miller's three year old son, then all of a sudden Kimmel says the movie looks really funny,I think I heard some growns in the audience, then he asked Johnny Lee if he liked working with the other Johnny, he said of course, then Kimmel asked if Miller was familiar with the original series, he said no, but Burton had mentioned it to them while filming, then Kimmel said thanks for being here, and DS premieres may 11--not really worth staying up for, IMHO.....
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Actually, I do believe Roger was looking for a lot more than liquor. [ghost_wink] But I won't spoil things for anyone else such as yourself who didn't figure it out...
And BTW, I just checked and there weren't any groans. [ghost_smiley]
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eva green was mentioned as being a guest later this week on kimmel but they didnt say what night.
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Kimmel is apparently having a DS bonanza, because Chloe Moretz will guest (along with Kristen Stewart, vampire overload, lol!) on May 7, and Johnny on May 8. Chloe will also be on Letterman on the 3rd.
Thanks for the info. And I also see that Jonny Lee Miller will be an Kimmel on Monday the 30th and Eva Green will be on the show Wednesday the 2nd. He's definitely having a DS bonanza!!
And if all that wasn't enough, Michelle Pfeiffer is on Leno on the 7th, so that night we get two DS stars on late night talk shows!
No word yet when Depp is on Ellen - but since it's not this week, he must be on next week. And since I record Ellen every day, I'll certainly post as soon as I see when he's going to be on...
Plus the dates have all been added to the forum's calendar and display on it as well as on the forum's main page on the day of each appearance. [ghost_smiley]
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Regarding the comedic aspects, it seems that it works far better here than was Dan Curtis tried in his '91 remake - making Willie Loomis a doofus, as opposed to the tormented soul portrayed by in the original, fell flat. His "aw, shucks, Mr. Barnabas" approach was simply annoying.
It was annoying. From a writer's standpoint, I felt the way Willie was written sucked a lot of dramatic potential right out of the series. Barnabas-Willie-Julia was a powerful combination of characters in the original. I didn't see how the 91 characterization of Willie offered anything vital to the story at all.
All it did was showcase what a wonderful actor Jim Fyfe is but after awhile, only his mother would care about that.
I see so much of the original in the clips from this movie. I see a re-working of the original (especially with Angelique becoming a composite of herself, Burk Devlin and a bit of Laura Collins) simply brilliant. Having Elizabeth Collins Stoddard being more of "let's do what it takes to get them and make us rise again" character, rather than the equally fantastic "I've-got-a-secret-and-it's-destroying-me" character is also incredible. "Younging" Carolyn Collins Stoddard by four years into a morose 15-year-old with a sassy mouth is wonderful, while the original 19-year-old "my-life-stinks" was a brilliant character portrayal. It even seems to me that Vicki has been upgraded.
Exactly. I wasn't sure at first about the "younging" of Carolyn but now I see the wisdom in doing that for this movie. I have no problem even seeing Joan Bennett's Elizabeth ready and able to kick some ass if she wanted to do so. She was elegant but she was tough too.
It's all good. But what was good before does not necessarily work anymore.
It's obvious from Dan Curtis' involvement with the 91 revival he was open to taking the original concept into new directions.
In his Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine interview recently, Jonathan Frid said that the Depp/Burton film should be different than the original. When asked what advice he would give Johnny Depp on playing Barnabas, Frid said that he would not presume to tell Depp what to do. It's sorta weird how proprietary some fans feel about the original series, and Barnabas, yet the man who created the role and played it for several years didn't feel he owned the role. He felt the same when the 1991 series was on - a new take was in order.
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To me, the issue of whether the movie should be humorous or not is reminiscent of the debate over who gets to use the N-word. If you're a member of the in-group, it's OK, but if an outsider does it, it's an insult.
When fans present humorous interpertations of DS at Festivals or by creating videos to share, it's a sign of endearment. We know our show isn't perfect and we use humor to illustrate its shortcomings, but deep down, we love DS anyway. The important distinction is that these representations are created by fans (who have a detailed understanding of the material and a fondness for it) for the consumption of fans (who share that understanding). I adore Richard Halpern's "Baby Dark Shadows" videos, but I would never present them to a non-fan friend as if they were "Dark Shadows." I agree with PennyDreadful that Depp and Burton did not do the fanbase any favors by making their movie a comedy. This big name Hollywood blockbuster is likely going to be the only representation of DS that a mainstream audeince will ever know. I feel deeply uncomfortable when I think of all the people around the world who will be watching Depp's buffoonish antics and thinking that this is who Barnabas Collins is and that this is what DS is really all about.
Why should I care about any of this?
Recently, I realized something curious: some of the most vocal critics/skeptics of the movie (e.g., VictoriaWinters1991, PennyDreadful, and myself) are second generation fans--people who were not around for the original broadcast and discovered the show in reruns. I would have expected the original fans to be the most resistant to the idea of a reimagining. After all, they've had the show longer than us; they started out the gate with DS and have followed its highs and lows, every step of the way. We're coming late to the party. Why should we care so much? Wondering about this caused me to examine my own reasons for why I have such a knee-jerk negative reaction to Dark Shadows the comedy.
Unlike original fans who watched the show when it was popular and a big part of the culture, and who most likely had many friends with whom they could discuss DS or act out favorite scenes, I was the only person I knew who knew anything about DS as I grew up. Nobody ever understood what I was talking about. None of my friends had heard of the show before and couldn't share it with me because they didn't have access to the Sci-Fi Channel. Until I discovered online forums like the Vantagenet board that was the previous incarnation of the DS Forums, I felt very much alone in my enjoyment of the show.
Now, DS is about to go viral. Posters are all over town, features are appearing on the news, and DS is about to become a household name again. However, the "Dark Shadows" that everyone will soon be talking about is so radically different from the DS that I love, that I'm still going to feel like an outsider. People still won't understand what I mean when I refer to DS because we will be talking about two totally different animals. That makes me feel sad, disappointed, and a little bitter about what I consider a missed opportunity for the product I love to go public. I don't know if the other second generation fans feel the same way (I know Taeylor is also a second generation fan and he's one of the movie's biggest cheerleaders, so maybe this trend only exists in my own head), but that's my stake in this business.
ProfStokes
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Yes I am a big cheerleader of the movie at the same time though; I am big cheerleader of anything DS. If I hate the movie though I will be forth coming about it.
My hope is that this DS will make people curious to check out the original and the Revival. It just seems (to me) that if a young 13 year boy (at the time) like me could watch the lavish Revival and then go to the original which wasn't so lavish and fall in love with the show; it could happen again after people see the movie. Again, eight of my friends knew of my love for DS but wouldn't watch it. Now they all want to watch the movie and then are planning on watching parties (in my hometown) of the original.
That is one of my biggest arguments. I think this will spike a lot of interest in the original and a lot of people old and young will fall in love with the original much like I did. That is my fervent hope.
I respect and value your opinion though Prof Stokes as we all are entitled to our own! :) Hugs to you girlfriend. I miss you!
Tae
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Thank you for the summary, Miranda. I just watched it, having DVR'd it after a tiring day.
Actually, I do believe Roger was looking for a lot more than liquor. [ghost_wink] But I won't spoil things for anyone else such as yourself who didn't figure it out...
There's a huge clue in his bio on the Meet the Residents of Collinwood (http://apps.warnerbros.com/darkshadows/residents/) page of the official site. (There are character-defining images with most descriptions, such as the record player for Carolyn or Angelique's cherry red convertible, but please don't look at Roger's you don't want it spoiled.)
Fascinating comments, ProfStokes! I'm still very psyched for the movie but yesterday I had an oh no they didn't moment when one of the entertainment shows used the c-word for the first time-- that I recall, anyway-- while discussing it. Of course I mean "campy", and it hit me that if it's used now, then will the original series never lose that label?
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I suppose the reason I am open to a new interpretation is that I don't see it as causing any harm. The love of the original survived an awful, radical take on the series that was called HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS. It survived years of being in syndication here and there with few viewers ever having seen the entire series, it has survived some sustained, nasty put-downs over the years - the original has survived it all with an audience in tact. The 1991 series brought in new fans in spite of the fact many of its characters were very different than the ones in the original series.
And quite honestly, the earth will not fall off its axis if thousands of people think Barnabas Collins is a buffoon. The original has survived much in the past four decades and it will survive this. Those who may flock to this and/or other boards and groups to talk about DS will discover something more to the legacy and be told about previous incarnations. Hopefully, those people will be open-minded in viewing the original and 1991 Revival.
Please don't read this as putting down your concerns, Prof. Stokes - I am just offering an answer as to why some of the older generation are not alarmed about the potential consequences of the movie.
Bottom line - I really don't care what anyone thinks about the Barnabas Collins I grew up enjoying; the same is true for the original series. And for that reason, what anyone thinks of the Depp portrayal of the character is meaningless to me.
Recently, I realized something curious: some of the most vocal critics/skeptics of the movie (e.g., VictoriaWinters1991, PennyDreadful, and myself) are second generation fans--people who were not around for the original broadcast and discovered the show in reruns. I would have expected the original fans to be the most resistant to the idea of a reimagining. After all, they've had the show longer than us; they started out the gate with DS and have followed its highs and lows, every step of the way. We're coming late to the party.
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There's a huge clue in his bio on the Meet the Residents of Collinwood (http://apps.warnerbros.com/darkshadows/residents/) page of the official site. (There are character-defining images with most descriptions, such as the record player for Carolyn or Angelique's cherry red convertible, but please don't look at Roger's you don't want it spoiled.)
Even without the bio (which I haven't read) it's possible to deduce what Roger is looking for from just having seen glimpses of that scene on the entertainment shows along with clips/photos from other scenes and, well, just knowing what sort of character Roger is. [ghost_wink] In fact, soon after we learned that in the film Barnabas wasn't sealed in the secret room of the mausoleum, I made a comment that quite possibly part of the reason they decided that that wouldn't fly this time around might be because of Roger.
I had an oh no they didn't moment when one of the entertainment shows used the c-word for the first time-- that I recall, anyway-- while discussing it. Of course I mean "campy", and it hit me that if it's used now, then will the original series never lose that label?
Sadly, even without the new film, the original DS will never lose that label. [ghost_sad] It got attached to the show in the '70s, and in the ensuing 40+years I seriously doubt even one year has gone by that it hasn't been described that way - especially in print. So, it's no wonder it continues to be the description of choice of nearly every writer and TV host. [ghost_rolleyes] And I've come to the realization that it's never going to change.
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I want to chime in and say that I totally understand your point, ProfStokes. DS fans are very much like Barnabas. Many feel isolated and alone... Except their problem isn't vampirism (Okay, that's a generalization). They feel alone in their love for our show. And the movie doesn't seem to accurately convey what our show is about. But, like Taeylor said, maybe it will introduce more people to the original. We really don't know what the full effects will be for some time. I just hope Nancy is right, and that it doesn't cause much damage, thus isolating DS fans further.
And Midnite, I looked at the site, and I am fairly sure I have figured it out. Roger is looking for his belt buckle! [ghost_cheesy]
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LOL, Cousin Barnabas!
Ultimate ‘Dark Shadows’ fan frets about upcoming movie (http://couriernews.suntimes.com/news/12136933-418/ultimate-dark-shadows-fan-frets-about-upcoming-movie.html) about our Bobubas
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Fans will be interested to hear that DS movie executive producer Graham King reported at the BritWeek Film & TV Summit in Los Angeles on April 27 that there already is talk of a potential DS sequel film.
How very interesting. [ghost_smiley]
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I was thinking about something today. I think we would all say that Mr. Frid saved the OS way back when.
I've noticed that on Facebook and other sites fans who said they wouldn't see the new movie and now saying they will go because it is Mr. Frid's last film.
Could it be that just as he saved the OS he may now save the movie. Could those fans that were not going to see it put it over the top?
Just a thought.
I hope it didn't come across as disrepectful, I didn't mean for to.
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That would be a nice turn of
I was thinking about something today. I think we would all say that Mr. Frid saved the OS way back when.
I've noticed that on Facebook and other sites fans who said they wouldn't see the new movie and now saying they will go because it is Mr. Frid's last film.
Could it be that just as he saved the OS he may now save the movie. Could those fans that were not going to see it put it over the top?
Just a thought.
That would be a nice turn of events.
Despite whether I will end up liking the movie or not, I hope it will be a success. I'd like for others to discover the other versions of DS & that it will continue to live on, through sequels, spinoffs or whatever should come about.
Was this tv spot video linked to yet?
http://www.facebook.com/groups/190716234316441/#!/photo.php?v=442713782421368
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Fans will be interested to hear that DS movie executive producer Graham King reported at the BritWeek Film & TV Summit in Los Angeles on April 27 that there already is talk of a potential DS sequel film.
How very interesting. [ghost_smiley]
The Entertainment God is listening to me. My prayers are being answered!!! WHOOO HOOO!
Can I say the Prologue is one of my favorite pieces of music and I am glad Ellfman that classic part in!! LOVE IT!
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I've been rewatching the TV spots lately, and I wondered about something: Does anyone think that these spots alone could sell the movie well enough to get people to go see it?
What I mean by this is the following:
I, of course, having been a fan of the original DS and wanting new DS stuff all the time, would see the movie pretty much regardless of who made it, starred in it, etc. And because I have the knowledge of what DS is about and the major driving plot points we've come to know over the years, the TV spots that have been airing are not confusing to me in the least.
However, just for a moment today I tried to put aside my previous knowledge of the source material and view these commercials as a naive viewer who is just being introduced into the world of Dark Shadows. Barring the fact that Burton is directing, and barring the fact that I like many of the stars, I'm not sure that I would want to see this movie because the supremely condensed trailers tell me little more than the following: there's a vampire, there's a witch, there's some other people, and they all fight. Now, if on the basis of that description alone, anyone would want to go see the film--fine. I doubt seriously that it would happen that way. In fact, what I think actually may be going on is that the naive viewer may be more confused by the film than anything else, and would be lured into going to the theater based on the simple notion that they want some questions answered.
This, of course, allows for the fact that mere confusion over something you see on television would motivate a person to take action enough to leave their home and spend cash to find the answers to their questions--for some people it may be this way, for me it is not. More than likely I would simply get annoyed with the commercials after a while and would simply forget about the film altogether after they stopped airing.
The full length trailer does a good job of giving a better overview of the film in its entirety--this is what would make me want to actually see the movie.
All of this jibber-jabber really only serves to highlight the fact that the studio is pretty much BANKING on the names involved with the films, and the built in fanbase surrounding those names. Burton. Depp. Separate they are powerful but together they create what could be likened to the feeling that Vicki gets when she first arrives at Collinwood--she was drawn there. Not to mention Pfeiffer who is, in no short order, a box office draw--add in Moretz for the youth crowd and you have a good chance of making some serious dough, despite the fact that the film is up against what is probably the biggest superhero movie of all time--The Avengers (that is, until The Dark Knight Returns comes out).
It's funny that I'm just now realizing how poorly marketed this film is in terms of the TV spots we've been getting. They pretty much solidly rely on the viewer having seen the full length trailer at some point, or confusing (re: intriguing?) the viewer enough to seek out said trailer for more answers.
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Again, don't know if this had been posted yet,
'Dark Shadows' Featurette: Strange Family (http://movies.yahoo.com/video/ymovies-6393699/dark-shadows-featurette-strange-family-29147710.html;_ylt=Ag0PCikDX_SW.0yb_DCbDjgSceh_;_ylu=X3oDMTM4MnZidXZjBG1pdANEYXJrIFNoYWRvd3MgRXhwZXJpZW5jZSBQYWdlIEluIFBhZ2UgVmlkZW8gUGxheWVyBHBrZwNpZC0yOTE0NzcxMARwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFDYXJvdXNlbEluUGFnZQR2ZXID;_ylg=X3oDMTE2Z2ppM3RwBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAMEcHQD;_ylv=3)
There seems to be new stuff everyday, lately!
& Haven't even watched it in full yet, to see how many spoilers might be in it. So be warned.
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I noticed that if you go to the Facebook page of the film, and scroll all the way to the bottom, there are posts to the timeline from as early as 1752, and they continue up through 1776, explaining so of what, I'm guessing, we can expect to see in the prologue portion of the film. Family curses, troubled young Barnabas, and even how Joshua and Naomi meet their end are all explained.
http://www.facebook.com/darkshadowsmovie (http://www.facebook.com/darkshadowsmovie)
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Sara and Brandon, thanks for those two last links. Really good stuff! I'm getting more and more impatient to see this movie!!!
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When the '91 prime-time remake came out, I was so excited, and then had my major disappointments. As I stated before, I thought it was, for the most part, horribly miscast. Some, I thought, were perfect: Jean Simmons (as Elizabeth Collins Stoddard and Naomi Collins), Barbara Steele (as Dr. Julia Hoffman and Natalie DuPres), Stefan Gierasch (not so much as the combined Michael Woodard/T. Eliot Stokes character, but as Joshua Collins [he was great in that]), Joseph Gordon-Levitt (I think he made an even better David Collins that David Henesy did - he was the one that improved on the original), Julianna McCarthy (she was great as both as Sarah Johnson and even better as stick-up-her-patoot Abigail Collins and did Clarice Blackburn proud, even though she didn't make any mayonnaise). I'll even give Barbara Blackburn her due playing Millicent Collins. In that role, she was fabulous and did better than Nancy Barrett did (although Barbara's portrayal of Carolyn Collins Stoddard was very annoying to me). Michael T. Weiss also pulled off a great Joe Haskell and Peter Bradford. Just for making Peter Bradford a likeable character should've earned Weiss an Emmy. As for the rest, pheh. Even Ben Cross couldn't elicit the sympathy for Barnabas, with an early mixture of monster loathing (as it was originally intended) that our late, great Jonathan Frid did.
The rest of the '91 series also grated on me, from the writing to the sets (palm trees, palm trees, PALM TREES!!!).
But I loved it. While it bounced around in schedule (the thing that killed it in the ratings) because of that pesky, annoying Gulf War, I made sure I found out when it was on, and if I couldn't watch it at home, I taped it. I wouldn't've missed an episode if it meant my life. When I found out it wasn't renewed, I went into the same tear-soaked depression that I did when our beloved original was cancelled. It was, despite its many deficencies from our beloved original, and because of the faux pas from the original (and the HoDS rip-off that it also was) that should've been corrected, my DS. I was so proud that the show I loved had made it to prime-time and to an even more vast audience.
The same with HoDS. It had all my characters and their actors/actresses, and even though it followed the original intent (to a degree) that was originally imagined for Barnabas, a totally evil, vile but with a tinge of sympathy character that was to be staked at the end of 13 weeks, but by that time the series had moved on for several years and was long gone from that original intent. Also, the PTB at MGM demanded so many cuts that it made parts of the story incomprehensible, even to a 14-year-old like me. But I still loved the movie. It was my DS. And, despite it being a gore fest rather than a character-driven film (made so by the cuts demanded by the MGM PTB), I still enjoyed it because I was living in a era with Hammer films.
And then there was NoDS. Like I posted before, it had none of the characters from the original. None. Yes, there was a "Quentin," but he wasn't the Quentin from the original. Neither was the "Angelique." She was removed decades from the original. The movie also suffered from cutting problems ordered by the MGM PTB, but I still loved it. It was my DS.
So I do find fault with everything that followed from the original (and I find fault with the original). The movies weren't perfect. The '91 version wasn't perfect. I'll forever hold that making Willie a doofus in the '91 was a massive mistake when it came to trying to inject comedy (Barbara Blackburn's portrayal of Millicent Collins actually did it to almost perfection - if Dan Curtis had just stuck with that, I wouldn't've had any problem).
Oh, but I loved them all, warts and all. To me, that's a basis for DS fandom. I'm so psyched about this movie and can't wait to see it. For many, if not most, if not all of us DS fans, it'll have warts. That's a part of DS. I happen to agree with Depp and Burton that doing just another straight-forward, all-horror remake of the same old same won't work anymore. If HoDS had been made following the exact, same storyline of the TV show, I believe it would've died in the theaters. (And MGM looked into making a movie that would've consisted of cutting-and-pasting scenes from the show - what a nightmare that would've been.) It went a different direction and became a 1970 box-office smash. If NoDS has been just a sequel rehash of Barnabas coming back to exact revenge or whatever (an impossibility since most everyone was killed off in HoDS), it would've looked like The Return of Count Yorga. If the '91 version had tried an exact replica of the original, it wouldn't have garnished the high ratings it initially did (and draw into our family of cousins those who had little exposure to, or even heard of, the original).
So I'll retain my criticism of what followed the first DS (and my criticisms of the first DS). Whether or not they are all valid, the original and what has all followed has kept our beloved DS in the spotlight. We've now got a major motion picture again bringing it "back to life." It might not be the way all of us want it (and the '91 version wasn't the way I wanted it), but it's put our show out there for the whole world to see. As I posted before, I have friends who have absolutely loathed DS and all it stands for. Because of this movie, they are becoming fanatical supporters, and they haven't even seen it yet. In my DS-movie Saturday, May 12th matinee party that we are planning, we now have about 30 people. Maybe five of us grew up watching and appreciating DS - the rest have only vaguely heard of it, seen little bits of it, and didn't care for it. Now they can't wait. If that means that Barnabas (i.e., Depp) slaps Willie Loomis on the forehead the way Leslie Nielson did to Renfield in Love at First Bite, then that's what it takes. Would our original have had a scene like that involving Jonathan Frid and John Karlen? Well, it didn't. But now I'm seeing around two-dozen people whom I know who once hated DS now turning into fans.
We all need to give this continuation of DS a chance. We gave all the other incarnations a chance. We all found fault with them. And yet, all of them have kept this show visible. I've made my perception of the '91 remake clear. I thought, in comparison to the original, it was awful. But I still loved it. It brought a whole new generation of fans, including many of those here. I laud the '91 version for that. I bow before it. Now, bring me those up-coming comments in the film about birthing hips and Karen Carpenter on TV being a miniature sorceress songstress and watching a vampire try to brush his fangs in a mirror where he casts no reflection. Don't worry if it doesn't line up with the original. That was then, this is now. And we want DS to always remain in the now. Carrie, in the 1974 Stephen King novel, and the 1976 screen adaptation, looked up information about her abilities using a flip-card catalogue and something called "books" in the library In the 2002 made-for-TV version, she used a computer and the internet in the library. It was changed, and the different adaptation didn't distract from the original at all.
That was then, this is now.
Gerard
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It survived years of being in syndication here and there with few viewers ever having seen the entire series,
I remember back in the late 70s - early 80s, when some episodes were reconstructed in the old zines purely on the basis of distant memory and some photographic clues! No MPI, no second half syndication, no internet. Talk about feeling isolated! Yes, I am a first generation fan. [ghost_wink]
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Bottom line - I really don't care what anyone thinks about the Barnabas Collins I grew up enjoying; the same is true for the original series. And for that reason, what anyone thinks of the Depp portrayal of the character is meaningless to me.
From what I've seen of the trailers and behind the scenes stuff, I think it looks like a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to seeing it. If it ends up being crap, it won't affect my viewing of the original whenever the mood strikes me.
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I received a tweet on my phone from GK Films about the new featurette - but I wasn't home at the time and just got back. So, I have a question to those who have already watched it: if I want to avoid spoilers (which I wasn't able to do when I watched the first featurette) should I just download this new one and save it to watch after seeing the film? Or is this new one safe to watch beforehand?
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Was this tv spot video linked to yet?
I posted screen caps of that one (starting back with reply #3904 on page #261) - but I haven't posted the video of it yet. In fact, I'm way behind on posting video. But I want to see if I can get the the bottom of what's going on with Quicktime, and I just haven't found the time to do it yet. [ghost_sad]
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I noticed that if you go to the Facebook page of the film, and scroll all the way to the bottom, there are posts to the timeline from as early as 1752, and they continue up through 1776, explaining so of what, I'm guessing, we can expect to see in the prologue portion of the film.
So events do play out through 1776. Well, now Angelique's 196 years comment makes sense.
Family curses, troubled young Barnabas, and even how Joshua and Naomi meet their end are all explained.
All of which I don't want to know about until I see the film. But thanks for posting the link, Brandon, for those who don't mind spoilers. [ghost_smiley]
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I was just looking for something that I'd bookmarked last year, and lo and behold what did I discover - something else that I'd bookmarked last year not even realizing how it could pertain to the DS film - but a subject which we've often discussed since the DS film's trailers and TV spots have come out:
How Ratings and Trailers Mislead You -- And What to Do About It (http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/03/03/misleading-ratings-and-trailers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+InsideMovies+%28Moviefone%3A+Inside-Movies%29)
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/6839359/The-chameleon-queen
At this point I'm not even sure what counts as a spoiler anymore, so.. [ghost_wacko]
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MB, you asked about possible spoilers in the new featurette. I wouldn't say there are definite spoilers in the featurette, but it does clarifiy/confirm a couple of things that have been discussed here on the forum. Anyone who would consider confirmations on the same level as spoilers should probably avoid the featurette.
For those who want to discuss, I'll hide the confirmations as spoilers. In the featurette, we see that [spoiler]Collinwood does indeed burn, and there is clearly a mausoleum in the film.[/spoiler]
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It amazes me that they consider sequels after everything that goes down. But if they wanted to do it with HoDS, they can do it with this... It will just be harder. [ghost_cheesy]
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Well, we don't really know for sure what happens. We have our suspicions with a lot of things. And for instance, just because[spoiler]we know that Collinwood burns, that doesn't mean that the damage is beyond repair. Have you seen that cache of jewels and gold that Barnabas has stashed away? [ghost_grin][/spoiler]And as I've also said, if what I suspect happens at the end of the film really does happen, it would be a tremendous tease to leave things that way. I would love to see a sequel flesh out how things might play out from there. Though there's always the possibility that a sequel would take place at some point in the past. Say some sort of version of the 1897 storyline. There are actually all sorts of directions for a sequel to possibly go in...
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[spoiler]It's really hard to see it go... I was expecting that it would burn at the end of a trilogy or whatever, not in the first film (even though I have known since we saw that photo last year). Yes, I am sure there will be some way of paying for a restoration. But what about all of the portraits and antique phonographs? They have to be saved. And this fire looks really bad.[/spoiler]
And if what you expect is true, I can't even imagine where this thing will go. That's uncharted territory with no need for Quentin. But who knows... At this point, I guess we just have to get through the first film. [ghost_grin]
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Just received this on my phone:
Warner Bros Pictures @wbpictures
Send a #DarkShadows postcard and reveal the Collins family curse! http://bit.ly/II4Cim
Retweeted by gkfilms
9:17 PM - 1 May 12
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If HODS could have a sequel with the whole family offed save Liz then I am sure that they could do a sequel to DS although I have no idea what happens but with all the speculation one can think of a few scenarios.
I am just glad that it has been mentioned that they would love to do sequels if this movie does well. I would take another movie, a triology, four movies, five. I think with the source material they could easily do four.
Did I mention I am exited!!!! Cannot wait till the 11Th!
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Although, Taylor, I'm not sure that NoDS would be considered a sequel at all in a story sense, since there's no connection whatsoever between it and HoDS (save for a fleeting reference to the passing of "Mrs. Stoddard" that has no bearing on the plot).
It was quite interesting to see that Helena is on the cover of the May 1 issue of American Way magazine (American Airlines). There's a very delightful interview article about her, and includes a brief mention of the DS movie. Alas, no photo of her as Julia, although there is a caricature of Julia that also includes Barnabas, Angie, and Liz. What I absolutely loved about this article was that it completely avoided the "f" and "c" words in reference to the movie and the original series!!! They only refer to the movie as "a reimagining of the supernatural daytime soap opera". Finally some respect! [ghost_grin] I'm sure this article was the result of some determined work on the part of the Warner Bros. publicity dept. This will bring the movie to the attention of lots of people flying American throughout the month. Quite a coup!
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The more I see of the film, the more I'm coming to think of it as dramedy (because it has both elements of drama and comedy) and I'm surprised no one in the media seems to be describing it as such.
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I was just catching up on the Ellen shows I've recorded, and yesterday she announced that Depp will be her guest on the 8th. And that means he'll be on both her show and Jimmy Kimmel on the same day. Though technically some of us won't see him on JK until the 9th. [ghost_wink]
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We now have casting for Laura (not named as such), Sheriff Patterson (not named as such), youngest Barnabas, young Angelique, and Vicki's parents.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/fullcredits#cast
And the film is listed as being complete. No mention of Art Wallace...
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Interesting. Who knew that we'd see David's mother? Or that Victoria would even have parents? (Well, obviously she would have to have parents - but you know what I mean. [ghost_wink])
As for Art Wallace, I can't imagine that he won't be credited in the actual film.
Thanks for the info, Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley]
And I see that the film is up to #18 on this week's MOVIEmeter...
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Well I wouldn't consider NODS a sequel to HODS. Although maybe it could be seen that way. If I were Liz I think I would have had heart failure by the end of all that;however, if NODS was a sequel it would seem that David would have inherited Collinwood. And the only reason NODS came about is because JF refused to reprise his role as Barnabas. We see B at the end turn into a bat and fly away. One has to wonder what a sequel to HODS would have been like considering only David and Liz were left. Perhaps Cousin Quentin and his wife Tracey would have moved in? Only four people to bite??? LOL
I always wished someone like Sam Hall would have remembered what the idea was going to be for the third movie since Dan was contracted for a third. I know he ultimately was through with DS but it seems there would have had to been some treatment or outline for a proposed third movie somewhere or at least a thought of what they might want to do in a third installment? Alas....we will never know....
I have thought DS was a Dramedy all along. My fellow moderator on my FB group said this months ago when Jim Pierson in an interview keep saying something like it's a mix between comedy and drama and she kept yelling at the interview; it's called a DRAMEDY! [ghost_wink]
Today I was just curious to go to one of the DS FB group and see some of the stuff that is being said. Sweet Baby Jesus there are some terrifying people in this fandom. A couple of my friends are members; however, I don't think I could deal with the cynicism on that group. My friend Uncle G (that is my name for him--he is my DS Uncle) was trying to get the point across that if the fans go see the movie it will help perpetuate DS. He has more patience than me. God Bless him.....
WOW.....just wow.....I had no idea some people were so clueless, rude, hateful, and so downright scary that they would like to kill Johnny and Tim for this travesty they have created.
I know I say it often but I am so thankful, happy and elated that we have this place to share ideas, opinions, discussions and act like adults and not children. Just wow. [scratch] These people were just CUCKOO CUCKOO for Coco Puffs...
That is all I have to say amen....
Oh wow! LAURA...did I hear that right. Thank you to the movie GODS! I adore Laura Collins. Perhaps she could be part of a setup for a sequel??? Is IMDB.com always right??
I was wondering if the old Victoria plotline would be utilized or not. Hmm...interesting!! :)
Well no that isn't---since this day is coming to a close it's almost 8 days until we RETURN TO COLLINWOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot wait to take this ride with Johnny and Tim.....
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I agree, Taeylor. It's pretty scary out there sometimes.
As for Laura, she is not named as Laura on IMDB, just as "David's Mother." But, if we are assuming that the familial relationships are to remain the same, they may go with Laura in the script when she is referenced.
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We now have casting for Laura (not named as such), Sheriff Patterson (not named as such), youngest Barnabas, young Angelique, and Vicki's parents.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/fullcredits#cast
And the film is listed as being complete. No mention of Art Wallace...
Thank you Cousin! I haven't been checking the cast list lately, but I had noticed awhile back that Thomas McDonell ("Young Barnabas") had been kicked off the cast list and I was wondering if it was just an oversight or if he'd been cut from the film. I think I spoke about this privately to a fellow forum member. And then I forgot about it [ghost_rolleyes] But since this looks like a finished list now, and he's not listed, I guess he was indeed cut from the film, and if there has been mention of that here, I apologize as I must've missed it. Instead, there is a Justin Tracy as "Young Barnabas - aged 6". (Edited to add- now that I think about it, this may have been on the Depp board I'm on- someone saw an advance screening of DS and insisted that there was no such character as a ~20-ish Barnabas, just a little kid. I had been puzzled to hear that, but I guess they decided not to include that time period.)
Victoria's parents are a little puzzling, but since there is a "Young Victoria" it may be a flashback scene, and maybe Vicki was still orphaned but just not as a newborn. Or maybe she's not an orphan at all!
I was very excited for about 5 seconds when I saw the name Michael Shannon on the list, as "Board Member 2." For a moment I thought this was the Michael Shannon who was the star of a terrific film last year, Take Shelter, and I think he's also on Boardwalk Empire, though I don't watch that show. But alas, false alarm, as this is a different Michael Shannon. The Michael Shannon I was thinking of probably wouldn't have been in such a small role, anyway, but I couldn't help but hope!
It's too bad that Art Wallace isn't mentioned. Forgive me if I am unaware of the intricacies of that, but has he been undercredited all along? I see that he was given credit for the '91 series. Was there any kind of bad blood or anything after that? Should Jim Pierson have seen to it that he got credited?
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Well I wouldn't consider NODS a sequel to HODS.
OK, Taeylor, I understand you now. You were talking about the original idea to have a sequel involving Barnabas, and I had a senior moment and totally forgot about that plan . Duh! [ghost_wacko]
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It's too bad that Art Wallace isn't mentioned. Forgive me if I am unaware of the intricacies of that, but has he been undercredited all along?
Yup.
I see that he was given credit for the '91 series. Was there any kind of bad blood or anything after that? Should Jim Pierson have seen to it that he got credited?
Let's just say DC and Wallace were not the best of friends, and even less so after Wallace sued DC in the mid-'70s for a share of the profits from the DS merchandizing and Wallace won. And if I understand the settlement of that suit correctly, Wallace must be credited anytime any of the DS characters up through Barnabas are used in any sort of new DS movie/TV series, which is why he was credited in the '91 DS. Though as we've said before, it's anyone's guess who is maintaining the IMDb listing for the film...
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I haven't been checking the cast list lately, but I had noticed awhile back that Thomas McDonell ("Young Barnabas") had been kicked off the cast list and I was wondering if it was just an oversight or if he'd been cut from the film.
So are you telling me that the young Barnabas that says "My love" to Josette in the trailer is not Thomas? He looks too young to be Johnny (even with makeup), plus the shape of his face makes him look like he isn't really Johnny, just someone with a very similar appearance.
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No, that's Depp. [ghost_smiley]
If it does turn out that all of Thomas McDonell's part ended up on the cutting room floor, hopefully it will at least turn up in some fashion on the DVD/Blu-ray...
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No, that's Depp. [ghost_smiley]
Wow...
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They can do amazing things with CGI, lights and makeup. I was as professional makeup artist for years; and professional female impersonator for five years. Highlight and contour can do wonders.
And if you read Grayson's biography, they said she looked really rough in the mornings; however, when she had her face painted she looked like she had a face lift. ;) Makeup can do wonders. And who knows. They may even CGI him younger like they did with Alice Cooper?
So did you guys see ET tonight? This weekend is a Dark Shadowspalooza! It showed Eva with Mark Stines and apparently the whole thing is going to be DS! I am so happy I have ET marked everyday.
DS is everywhere!!
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On May 10th the channel G4 with have DS on "Attack Of The Show", it's an hour long show but I have no idea how much of it will be about DS.
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No, that's Depp. [ghost_smiley]
Wow...
Yeah, he can pass for frighteningly young, darn him! [ghost_wink] And as said, I think makeup and even CGI helps. I think the techniques can be pretty good these days. Somehow, I think the lack of pointy bangs also young-ens him a bit, too, though I'm not sure why. Still, we Depp fans recognize him just fine, and I don't think that even there that he looks *quite* as young as McDonell would have, but maybe they just decided the continuity would be better with Johnny.
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Well, the Modern Family "special look" wasn't quite what I was anticipating it might be - but it wasn't a bust either. They did announce that the film was sponsoring the show and they ran two spots. The second one was the 7th 30 second spot (the one that I posted captures of on page #264 starting with reply #3946), but the first was the US version of the Taiwanese trailer (the one that I posted captures of on page #251 starting with reply #3761) and it was nice not to have the Chinese characters all over the frame and to have the voiceover in English. I'm presuming that as far as scenes go, it was exactly the same as the Taiwanese version. But who knows? And I've been fooled into thinking that before. So, I suppose I won't really know until I actually have a chance to compare them.
Now it's going to be interesting to see what the "special preview" turns out to be during The Vampire Diaries...
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And as said, I think makeup and even CGI helps. I think the techniques can be pretty good these days. Somehow, I think the lack of pointy bangs also young-ens him a bit, too, though I'm not sure why. Still, we Depp fans recognize him just fine, and I don't think that even there that he looks *quite* as young as McDonell would have, but maybe they just decided the continuity would be better with Johnny.
I read in one of the recent magazine articles (I don't remember which because I've read so many different ones lately and I still don't have any of them back) that it wasn't just with Alice Cooper that CGI was used, so perhaps they did use it with Depp in that scene. However, I could swear that back in September we either got an online article or a tweet that mentioned that Thomas McDonell was shooting, so it would seem that he did work on the film. Though even if he did, he would hardly be the first actor to have his entire part cut out, if indeed that is what happened...
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vicki has PARENTS??
WOW. that's really a different spin on the character. i thought the whole "orphan thing" was elemental.
and laura,too??
that's alot crammed in. [ghost_wub]
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Did anyone else puke when David said:
[spoiler]'Carolyn touches herself...she makes noises like a kitten.'[/spoiler]
I mean seriously? Really? What were they thinking? Is that supposed to be funny? It wasn't. It was just plain inappropriate, especially coming out of the mouth of a ten year old boy. If this is what remotely passes for humor, they have failed...not to mention how they've already failed.
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VictoriaWinters1991, I was appalled when I heard about that line.
BUT, there is one scene in this film (far worse than that line), which if it exists in the final cut, will make me not see the movie. So I am waiting for confirmation on the contents of the final cut before buying a ticket.
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What scene is that, Cousin_Barnabas?
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I'm really quite tempted to check out the spoiler being discussed here because it seems like it must be a doozie. [ghost_wink] Though that being said, I find it very hard to believe that anything in the film will cause me to be appalled or to vomit. I'm not the appalled or prone to vomit type. [ghost_nowink] But I definitely look forward to revisiting these comments after I've seen the film for myself...
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If I was the appalled type, something I might be appalled by is Jimmy Kimmel taking a more than 8 minute commercial break between the first and second guest. Yesterday when I was telling someone about Jonny Lee Miller's appearance, I said that I was probably exaggerating that it took 8 minutes before the show came back for his segment. But tonight I timed the break and it was worse than I thought. Imagine how much longer and how much more interesting the segments with the show's second guests could be if they actually didn't take that long of a break. But apparently the possibilities will all have to remain in our imaginations. That being said, though, I did enjoy Eva Green's segment, mostly because I learned things about her that I didn't know. And the clip was interesting because I had no idea how Angelique managed to get Barnabas chained back in a coffin.
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So did you guys see ET tonight? This weekend is a Dark Shadowspalooza! It showed Eva with Mark Stines and apparently the whole thing is going to be DS!
I'm so happy you posted this before I checked out tonight's show because my DVR's description for tonight's show is just two words: "Dark Shadows" - and that would certainly make most people think they were going to do a segment on DS, not simply promote an upcoming show featuring it. [ghost_huh] Though obviously I wouldn't have remained disappointed for too long after I'd learned that they're going to be doing a DS special this weekend. And it's funny that only the other day I was musing about how they haven't been doing many shows like that anymore. But how lucky for us that they decided to revive them with DS. [ghost_wink]
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I'm really quite tempted to check out the spoiler being discussed here because it seems like it must be a doozie. [ghost_wink] Though that being said, I find it very hard to believe that anything in the film will cause me to be appalled or to vomit. I'm not the appalled or prone to vomit type. [ghost_nowink] But I definitely look forward to revisiting these comments after I've seen the film for myself...
It's not much of a spoiler, MB. It's just really weird to me that they would be allowed to have a line like that in a PG-13 movie, spoken by a kid about another kid. When I first read about it, the bit of dialogue itself really crossed the line of what I thought was actually allowed. But the execution is far more ambiguous. So, I guess that is what saved it. Still... it kind of weirds me out.
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Well, thanks for telling me it probably isn't much of a spoiler, but I think I'll still refrain from reading it until after I see the film for myself. [ghost_wink] We're already learning far too much before the film opens, so any bits that I can intentionally avoid, I will. [ghost_smiley] Though given some previous posts, I have my suspicions of what type of thing it might be. And depending on what it actually is, I may not be shocked by it at all. Though in fact perhaps it's actually intended to be shocking within the context of the scene it appears in (after all, isn't trying to shock and even embarrass two of the things David often does best? Just ask pre-Barn Carolyn on the original show [ghost_wink]) - and if so, then perhaps it isn't actually even meant to be funny. But I suppose I'll figure all that out after I've seen the film and I've come back to revisit these posts...
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Interesting, but I don't find David's line appalling or sickening, or the least bit inappropriate for a 10 year old boy.
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To me, it's just kind of weird that someone would write that into a movie script...
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It's beyond weird....
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Interesting, but I don't find David's line appalling or sickening, or the least bit inappropriate for a 10 year old boy.
Me either. I would think that David and Carolyn are going to have the same type of banter just like their respective parents. I have heard 10 year old boys say far worse.
I am sure he is trying embarrass the poor pubescent girl to in front of her family and "Uncle" Barnabas.
And as we know if it were Barnabas' time Carolyn would already be (in my best Butterfly McQueen voice) birthing babies.
I would assume we all remember trying to hide our sexuality as young teens with rampant hormones coursing through our bodies and being totally embarrassed by it all; especially around adults. I know I was.
As for the other "line" I don't want to know what it is; however, again I am sure I will not be shocked and/or appalled enough not to go see the movie.
The only thing that every shocked and appalled me was a certain scene from The Exorcist and if I wasn't raised in Christian religion it may have not shocked and appalled me as much. I am not religious myself; however, my parents were and we always had to got to church yet, I do see myself as spiritual.
A bit off topic but wanted you to see the only thing on celluloid I have seen that has caused that reaction from me.
The Dark Shadows are upon us...CAN'T WAIT!
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While the 1991 Willie Loomis was too over the top, I did like Jim Fyfe's portrayal of 1790 Ben Loomis, who was more of a normal character.
There is one funny scene in 1790 where Ben clumsily gets in Angelique's way and she says something like "Get of my way you fool!"
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I was just updating my "timeline" for Johnny Depp that we have running on the forum I participate on. There is so much coming up, starting in just a couple of days, that I thought I'd list them all here, and see if anyone knows of anything else to add. The timeline is just for Depp, but I've been keeping note of a few other TV appearances by other cast members, which I've put underneath (not including ones that have already taken place- I've already missed Jonny Lee Miller and Eva Green on Kimmel [ghost_sad] ) Here goes:
2012 05 05 (and May 6) DS press junkets, LA
2012 05 07 DS premiere at Grauman’s
2012 05 08 Ellen (with Chloe Grace Moretz and Michelle Pfeiffer)
2012 05 08 Jimmy Kimmel
2012 05 08 release of Dark Shadows Score
2012 05 09 London DS premiere
2012 05 11 Dark Shadows release date
2012 05 12 Tokyo DS premiere
2012 05 13 Tokyo DS press
May 3- Chloe on Letterman
May 7- Chloe on Jimmy Kimmel
May 7- Michelle Pfeiffer on Leno
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One more tidbit- Barnabas/Johnny will be on the cover of the next issue of Entertainment Weekly [ghost_smiley]
This Week's Cover: The bizarre, brotherly bond between Johnny Depp and Tim Burton (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/05/02/this-weeks-cover-the-bizarre-brotherly-bond-between-johnny-depp-and-tim-burton/)
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Excellent news, madscntst! [ghost_cool] I was just saying to someone on Tuesday that I hoped DS/Depp would be on the cover of the upcoming issue.
And Chloe Moretz and Michelle Pfeiffer are also on Ellen with Depp? Also excellent! [ghost_cool] Sounds like it will be an entire DS themed show. Ellen does one film or one TV series themed shows - but she doesn't do them often - though when she does it's always for something special.
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Thanks madscntst. That list will be extremely helpful.
That line David utters about Carolyn has no place in a DS movie IMO. I am no prune but I find it distasteful. I also agree with ProfStokes position on the movie based on what I have seen and heard so far. I don't expect my position to change but you never know. I don't mind being proven wrong.
TB speaks about his background into the gloom in DS. http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/movies/american-gothic-20120503-1xzvi.html
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Sorry I didn't know about this when I posted the EW cover article, but EW also has a piece on Alice Cooper and many of his film/TV cameos over the years. Heads-up, Alice uses the "h" word ("humor", as in "humor in horror" [ghost_wink] )
Alice Cooper talks about his 'Dark Shadows' cameo -- and his many other memorable onscreen adventures (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/05/03/alice-cooper-dark-shadows-depp/)
He is really a sweet-natured guy!
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EW article:
http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/articles/ewdscover0512.html
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Don't have time to read the article but I did look at the photos and I love the one of Barnabas and Angelique! Could their body language be any more different? [ghost_grin] And I also love the expression on Roger's face in the photo at the cannery. I so cannot wait for this film!
Thanks so much for posting scans of the article, Sara Monster - especially when I didn't get the current issue until Monday, so who knows what day this next issue will arrive in my mailbox? [ghost_undecided]
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An interesting piece. Thank you for sharing!
Frid would have enjoyed the attention? Maybe he means attention to detail... I'm not sure, because I don't think Frid wanted attention. I could be wrong, but that never seemed to be the case.
At least we know Frid doesn't speak now. So don't have to get hopes up about that.
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I just finished scanning through the CW's shows that I recorded over the past two days and apparently they're now running two DS spots in their shows: one during the first 30 minutes and another during the second. And since running two spots was what ABC did with their "special look" at DS during Modern Family last night, one might presume that the CW has something else in mind for their "special preview" during The Vampire Diaries tonight. At least one can hope they do...
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No matter how rude Lara Parker is in an attempt to goad those of us who have no intention of seeing this film (she referred to us as "the tea party" - what a nice thing to say about the original fans who used to run home and watch you, Lara. *rolls eyes*) to see it....I certainly won't.
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Well, as excited as I may be to see the film, I do believe that anyone who doesn't really want to see it shouldn't be goaded into doing so or criticized. And, of course, vice versa when it comes to the people who are dying to see the film. Everyone has their own right to decide whether they want to see the film in theaters or not, or wait for the DVD/Blu-ray, or never watch it at all...
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I don't know about you guys, but yeah she really came across to me as rude in that latest article. "They say they won't see it, but they will!" How does she know? I can be extremely stubborn and just for that...even if I was planning on seeing it, I won't now.
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As someone who has been a camp counselor to kids that age, I don't find it odd for a boy that age to make such a comment. I've heard lots worse but it would not be something I would think of putting into a movie script, but that's me.:)
Interesting, but I don't find David's line appalling or sickening, or the least bit inappropriate for a 10 year old boy.
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Well, that was interesting - they showed a 2 minute version of The Legend of the Vampire featurette.
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It was cool seeing it on TV even if it was shortened.
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I was just over at Amazon, and a couple of things:
First off, apparently the book Dark Shadows the Art of the Film (http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Art-Film/dp/1781162557/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336100738&sr=1-1) will be available in the US directly. However, it's hardly cheap. But then, books of that type generally aren't. And interestingly, the listing now says it was published on the 1st even though it's still listed as a preorder that isn't available yet. [ghost_huh] But chances are it still isn't being released until the 8th.
On the other hand, the DS Soundtrack (http://www.amazon.com/Soundtrack-Dark-Shadows/dp/B007QEO176/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336101116&sr=1-5) is still listed as being an import and the price seems unchanged since madscntst last updated us. However, the date of release now says the 22nd.
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OK, now I'm really curious - what the hell happens to Carolyn at the end of the movie? And why did Letterman say that what we see is not necessarily what we get? Quite intriguing...
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As someone who has been a camp counselor to kids that age, I don't find it odd for a boy that age to make such a comment. I've heard lots worse but it would not be something I would think of putting into a movie script, but that's me.:)
And that is my whole take on it.
Apparently the scene I so widely object to is in the final cut of the film, which is unfortunate, because it has no place being in something called Dark Shadows, and imo destroys, perhaps, the most vital character relationship in series history.
[spoiler]I don't care about the content itself, though it is far removed from anything we are used to in DS. But I do care about how and with whom it occurs. How sad, because I think I would have been able to enjoy the movie if it weren't in the final cut. And, more than anything, it proves to me that this was never anything more than a parody. This is not how you reinvent a character or a character relationship.
You don't get the full context in this description, but it is part of a joke in regards to Barnabas adapting to the modern day...
Again, don't read if you don't want to know. But to say I am disappointed that this ended up in the film is a vast understatement. This is an injustice to longtime fans who wanted to see a legitimate relationship unfold between these two characters. It doesn't explain how it happens in the description, but when you have the final context you will realize it is not in anyway authentic or appropriate:
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/AFF288423/
As Barnabas said, "I have tried to cooperate with all of you, and all I have gotten is one slap in the face after another." That's how I now feel about the Burton project now. [ghost_sad][/spoiler]
And the only thing that can save it for me is if the context of the scene is significantly different from what I am expecting...
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And if you want to avoid a lot more spoilers than that, don't read the link I provided. It gives a good deal away, including an interesting note about a character no one imagined would appear.
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including an interesting note about a character no one imagined would appear.
Doubly intriguing! [ghost_cool] I wish it was already the 11th because the suspense is killing me!
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i posted the vampire diaries featurette on my facebook page. i dont know how to post it here.
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I agree with you. I could have done without that being in the film.
Apparently the scene I so widely object to is in the final cut of the film, which is unfortunate, because it has no place being in something called Dark Shadows, and imo destroys, perhaps, the most vital character relationship in series history.
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DAMMMIT JANET! I thought Chloe was on the fourth. UGH....
And of course it's copyrighted....Damn.
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Maybe the next generation could be in the sequel? Just a thought...
And doesn't everyone say to stay till the end of the credits??
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Nowadays, I stay to the very end of movies because so many of them have an added scene at the end of the credits.
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i believe a glimpse of the controversial scene in question is actually in the trailer and alot of the ads...
it's actually kind of obvious. i'm not that squeamish about it.
i actually find the other joke(although i certainly recall as 10 year old boys making similar remarks)yuckier.
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I do as I want to see if I know or have worked with anyone involved in the production.:)
And doesn't everyone say to stay till the end of the credits??
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I usually stay till the end of all credits but I think there is a suprise in the movie.....
We are getting a Midnight showing here in about 20 mins from where I live. I am in shock! I guess there is a demand for it. WOW!
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And if you want to avoid a lot more spoilers than that, don't read the link I provided. It gives a good deal away, including an interesting note about a character no one imagined would appear.
a "note" about whom?
i didn't see anyone mentioned we didn't already know about. actually most characters are not even mentioned by name.
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never mind i just got it.
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HBC agains refers negatively to the o/s as a "...really crappy soap opera...". http://tbcollectivenews.blogspot.com/2012/05/bonham-carter-on-working-with-burton.html?m=1
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so HBC doesn't like DS...
who cares?
just because we like it doesn't mean everyone has to.
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I'll likely be open to almost anything happening in the film because I'm going to look at it as a completely separate version of DS. It's not the original show. It's not the '91 DS. It's going to be a fresh take, and as such, events and relationships are bound to have differences. And so long as what may happen and how characters may act makes sense within the film's own story and take on DS, I'm not likely to have a problem with it. At some point I might have a fleeting thought that the original so-and-so probably wouldn't have done such-and-such - but then I'll just remind myself that the film's so-and-so isn't the original so-and-so - and if I think whatever happens in the film is valid for the film's take on so-and-so, then I'll be likely to accept it. [ghost_mellow] That's how I was able to become such a fan of the '91 DS because I wasn't constantly comparing it to the original - I let it evolve on its own terms. [ghost_wink] What causes me big problems in the DS universe is when whatever might happen in a particular story/version conflicts with what that story/version has previously established. And so long as the film stays true to itself and the basic essence of the DS characters, I'll be quite happy. [ghost_smiley]
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MB, that's exactly how I am approaching the film as well.
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i have a MAJOR question about "spoilers" after the film opens next week.
obviously we are not all going to the see the film on the same date and time. i imagine many of us will see it opening weekend but still.
so what does that mean in terms of us discussing specifics about the film? does every relevant plot point need to be hidden in the "spoiler box"? that's going to make for cumbersome posting.
is there going to be a topic specifically set aside where those of us who have seen the film can discuss it openly and those who have not yet seen it can just avoid until they have?
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has it been mentioned already that it looks like thomas mcadonell has been removed from the IMDb cast listing?
there is a listing for a 'justin tracy' as "six year old barnabas".
what up?
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i have a MAJOR question about "spoilers" after the film opens next week.
Your questions were addressed in this post from about a week ago. [ghost_smiley]
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The plan is that a "Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!" topic will be posted at midnight on the 11th, and that...
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As MB and others have said, this movie is just another version of Dark Shadows that some will like and others will not. It doesn't in any way prevent anybody from enjoying any of the previous incarnations, much like Abraham Lincoln's appearance in Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter (or, for that matter, Abraham Lincoln's "appearance" in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure) don't change the legacy of his presidency.
For better or worse, I think the vast majority of our fandom have already made up their minds about whether they're enthusiastic about this movie or not, and based on everything I've read there isn't anything that's going to be done or said that's going to change many minds. Those who are unhappy continue to find things that make them unhappy. Those who are gung ho are not going to be dissuaded. Similarly, those who are looking forward to the movie continue to point to things that they think are positive, but they are not likely to change the opinions of the former.
As for the latest points (and I'll put them all in spoiler tags just in case some view them as spoilers):
[spoiler]If the "character" in question is the werewolf eluded to, it's still a fairly large leap to assume that's Quentin (or Chris). In one of the trailers they have a werewolf in the Scooby Doo episode they're watching.
As far as the David line, I'm not as dismayed as others are about this. In Forest Gump, the preadolescent Forest mimics the funny sounds the doctor made when he was sleeping with Forest's mom in order to pay for his leg braces. Kids don't necessarily understand the context. I didn't find that disturbing, while I did find the scene with the crucifix of a similarly aged Reagan in The Exorcist much more disturbing. I have to at least wait to see the scene before I can get all that worked up about it.
Finally, I presume the objectionable scene is the one of Julia performing oral sex on Barnabas. While FAR more graphic than anything that could have been shown on daytime television when the original series aired, didn't a fair portion of the fandom want Barnabas and Julia to end up together? It sure seemed like Julia had an unrequited love for Barnabas. While in the original series they could not show her engage in such an act, it's not really so far fetched. In the latest Mad Men, they showed a very similar scene that ostensibly takes place in 1966. [/spoiler]
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has it been mentioned already that it looks like thomas mcadonell has been removed from the IMDb cast listing?
there is a listing for a 'justin tracy' as "six year old barnabas".
what up?
Yeah, there's a brief discussion about it on page 277 from a day or two ago. I don't think we really know why he was cut (both MB and I seem to remember hearing confirmation from McDonell that he did film his scenes), but it was probably decided that he wasn't needed :(
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that's unfortunate for mcdonell to be sure. i though he was brought in, like miss moretz, to appeal to a "young" viewer.
funny we never heard a peep about yet another "young barnabas" before this. perhaps it was just decided that to make the character younger as an adult he needed to be very young at the outset rather than a teenager. [ghost_undecided]
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I checked McDonnell's own IMDB page the other day and DS 2012 is no longer listed among his credits. Interestingly, he did do a movie called The Occult that's due for release next year.
I figured that he probably had just filmed a couple of scenes that might have been seen briefly in a montage type sequence about Barnabas's early life, but it would seem that his scenes wound up cut altogether.
As actors are well aware, this kind of thing happens all the time--an example that comes to mind is Barbara Steele's scenes in a movie called I never promised you a rose garden being cut. And in the case of Grayson, only two of the four scenes that she filmed for End of the road made it into the final film. Unfortunately, the scene that motivated Grayson to do the project was not among what was kept.
G.
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i just don't recall ever hearing about a third barnabas until this.
in the early publicity i thought it was mentioned that it was macdonell's teenage barnabas who left england with his parents. not a 6 year old.
still hearing recently that the entire 18th century sequence was just about 8 minutes it stands to reason such a character was not required.
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It seems as if things might have been changed somewhere along the way because the Warner Brothers' Press Release told us the Collinses sailed to America in 1752 and then lead us to believe the events leading to Barnabas becoming a vampire took place in 1772. But now we know the latter part extends to 1776 - and who knows if their arrival in America is still in 1752? If Barnabas was supposed to like 40 in 1776, anything dealing with a 6-year-old Barnabas would have to take place around 1742. And for all we know maybe it does because perhaps it takes place in England before the crossing...
Or perhaps Barnabas is only supposed to be around 30 when he's cursed...
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Apparently the scene I so widely object to is in the final cut of the film, which is unfortunate, because it has no place being in something called Dark Shadows, and imo destroys, perhaps, the most vital character relationship in series history.
Very disappointing, Cousin_Barnabas. :( Thank you for the link, and the warning.
ProfStokes
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New pictures: (with SPOILERS!)
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20483133_20592906,00.html
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i'm officially done with pictures and spoilers so i'll skip it.
something needs to be kept suspenseful for next week.
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[pointing-up] Exactly! [ghost_wink]
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(And there's now officially less than 7 days until I'll be seeing the film next Friday afternoon with a group of fellow DS friends. We all can't wait - especially to see it in IMAX!)
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I was just reading an article that said that The Avengers took in a "disappointing" $18.7 million in its midnight showings. They blame it on the fact that Thursday night was a school night for the target audience. But Thursday nights are almost always school nights for the target audience because seemingly almost every film is aimed at that same target audience, so if they could come out for the other films on a school night, that's no excuse this time around. But what I would say is a more valid excuse is that The Avengers is not a sequel and sequels tend to bring out more people because they have a much better idea of what they're in for than they do when it comes to a non-sequel film. And really, what has the entertainment media come to when they think $18.7 million is a disappointment? And though I could be wrong, I suspect that's most probably more than DS will pull in for its midnight shows next week. Though, of course, expectations are not anywhere near as high for DS as they are for The Avengers. And speaking of the expectations for The Avengers, forecasts are that it will bring in between $150 and $200 million this upcoming weekend. I suppose we'll see - but I would not be the slightest bit surprised if it does. On the other hand, it will be interesting to see what the forecast will be for DS. A few months back Empire Magazine forecast a $60 million opening weekend in the US. Again, I suppose we'll see - but as I said back then, that could be optimistic...
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Box Office Mojo is predicting a domestic take of $125 million for the DS movie. Not bad. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3434&p=.htm
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And doesn't everyone say to stay till the end of the credits??
I always do, especially after seeing Airplane (you actually have to read the credits because they're hysterical and there was that little surprise at the end), and Mel Brooks' History of the World Part I (because of its wonderful surprise at the end).
Gerard
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Box Office Mojo is predicting a domestic take of $125 million for the DS movie. Not bad.
And combined with last week's foreign gross prediction of $240 million, that would make for a worldwide gross of $365 million, which would be fantastic if things really do play out that way. [ghost_cool]
One thing I found interesting about last week's article is that they strongly suspect that DS will not be shown in China (so they're not even factoring in that country) because of how China's stance on the supernatural tends to get supernatural films "squashed by censors." (Apparently none of the Twilight films have shown in China.)
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Call me weird, but I've always loved spoilers. When I watch a movie on TV I've never seen, I'll quickly go on-line and look up the plot (wiki is great for that). I'll read it to the end, and then I'll sit and watch the movie to the end and, for me, it doesn't harm my enjoyment one bit (quite often it enhances it, especially if the film is rather difficult to follow because of twists and turns). Plus, I'm actually good at figuring things out. When I saw The Others, a creepy, atmospheric ghost story, I figured out the ending. When I watched part one of season two of The Walking Dead (currently my favorite TV show), and they talked about a "shocking" final scene, I figured out what it would be episodes before it aired. So, for me, hunting down spoilers doesn't take away the fun; often, I've figured out how things are going to go and end even without them. I already have an idea how DS-the-movie will end, but I won't say here. I'll wait until after I've seen it and let you know if I was right.
Gerard
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I'm the same way, Gerard. I've seen so many of these things now that what gives me real pleasure is the quality of the performances, how the story is told, whether the dialogue is of a superior calibre, etc.
It takes a really devious inventive mind to surprise me. Two movies where I was at least jolted were Carrie and The Crying Game (where the "big reveal" was less of a surprise than how the director chose to reveal it). I thought I couldn't ever be shocked like that again but it happened a couple of years ago when I saw the 1989 film The Woman in Black (recently re-made by a coalition of production companies including a revived aegis of Hammer studios). A friend told me that there was no attempt in the remake to re-stage the shocking scene in the 1989 version. Which was probably just as well.
cheers, G.
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i believe a glimpse of the controversial scene in question is actually in the trailer and alot of the ads...
it's actually kind of obvious. i'm not that squeamish about it.
i actually find the other joke(although i certainly recall as 10 year old boys making similar remarks)yuckier.
I really just can't believe that they resorted to that for one the best character dynamics in the original. It ruins the relationship.
And as for the note about the character I alluded to, it's more of a what instead of a who. And I am thinking it is unrelated to a previous character from the series. [ghost_wink]
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in general i'm not opposed to spoilers either. knowing a particular thing is going to happen and seeing it all play out are two different things.
when i first got into the series one of the first things i did was buy KLS's "my dark shadows memories" with it's complete episode guide and series outline and promptly read it cover-to-cover. so from near the outset i had a general overview of the series. watching the 'fountain pen' plot i knew that a vampire was going to show up a few months later. it didn't affect my enjoyment of the series in the least.
and sometimes i too check out the wikipedia entry on a film before i watch it so i know what's going on.
in terms of the film at hand there were certain things i felt i needed to know walking in. watching it blind would have been too stressful. so i deliberately read certain things i knew had spoilers so now i have that general overview.
however at this point i am becoming oversaturated with it. i don't need or want to know any more so i'll tread very lightly with future material until i see it next week.
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Tonight Access Hollywood continued their DS interview with Michelle Pfeiffer at CinemaCon.
And I see that Entertainment Tonight is apparently running previews counting down to the weekend DS show because Eva Green was on again last night to say there were two days left.
And speaking of previews, tonight Extra promoted that Johnny Depp is on Monday.
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Just received this tweet on my phone:
gkfilms @gkfilms
Next stop, Collinwood Manor. Check out how the sets of #DarkShadows were built in this latest featurette. http://bit.ly/wK4fje
8:14 PM - 4 May 12
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Best thing was getting to see the completed Collinwood, albeit in miniature form.
Thanks for the share!
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MB, I know you're probably not going to watch this, but I have one word I must share:
MACRAME!!!
cheers, Gothick
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Thank heavens!! [ghost_cheesy] And maybe in honor of the film we should revive the Zen And The Art Of Macrame Web site. [naughty] After all, there's no such thing as too much sexuality or sexual pleasure in the world...
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Hi all,
Since I haven't commented in a looong time (my bad) I just wanted to say I am anxious to see the new "Dark Shadows" movie. I'm gonna try go to the theater on Mother's Day with my mom (she's also a Dark Shadows nut...lol).
I will definitely share my thoughts about the movie after I see it! My mom and I are not sure if we're going to love the movie or not, but we are being open minded about it. I don't expect it to be like the original series, but inspired from it. Maybe even a parallel time version of sorts. We'll see...love you all! :-*
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I have said it before and I will again. I am a Revival child as that show brought me to DS, fandom, all the wonderful people I have meet. And when it was cancelled I was DEVESTATED and I mean devastated! However, I bought THE DS COMPANION and learned about the original. I went into with an open mind and decided I wouldn't compare the two shows. Used to seeing lavish sets, etc. on shows I could have blew it off but I totally fell in love with the show. My collection I ever got was on video and it was 5 where Barnabas kills Jason. I know that ep by heart pretty much.
So again, I at the midnight showing on Friday. I will go into the theater with an open mind and heart and I will enjoy this movie for the version of DS that it is. :) That for me is the key. We will always have TOS, The Revival, NODS, HODS, and now Dark Shadows 2012! I cannot wait to see what they have come up with and I hope that it makes tons of money. That it infuses fandom with many new fans. And that the legacy that is Dark Shadows remains long after I am gone. And I wouldn't mind several sequels as well! ;)
I owe much to DS for some really amazing people in my life. That is why I will always support DS now and forever! To me it's so much more than a show. It has changed my life for the better. It's like a living breathing (not a Leviathan ;) entity that has brought us all together. And to me that is the most beautiful thing about my experience with Dark Shadows....
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so HBC doesn't like DS...
who cares?
just because we like it doesn't mean everyone has to.
I agree. Lots of people don't like DS and she doesn't have to like the show. All I ask is she delivers a good performance! ;)
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I owe much to DS for some really amazing people in my life. That is why I will always support DS now and forever!
I totally agree Taeylor! Dark Shadows Fanfiction, and my love of Dark Shadows in general, has brought about some of the greatest friendships in my life! I wouldn't trade it in for anything in the world. As I said before - love you all!
p.s. Sorry I haven't been active on the boards like I used to - stupid real life always gets in the way - LOL [ghost_smiley]
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My mom and I are not sure if we're going to love the movie or not, but we are being open minded about it. I don't expect it to be like the original series, but inspired from it. Maybe even a parallel time version of sorts. We'll see...love you all! :-*
This is exactly how I'm going in to this, too. I've actually become more optimistic as I've gone along. I'm staying away from overexposure (too many clips, spots, etc.) at this point so I really don't know what some of you folks are talking about regarding spoilers and such, but I just don't think that I have a very rigid a view of the DS canon or dogma or whatever, so my main thing is just whether it's a good story and whether I find it enjoyable and entertaining to watch. We'll see!
By the way, they are supposedly doing press junkets in LA today and tomorrow, so look for even more interview clips and photos of the cast making their way out to the entertainment media.
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I didn't receive my copy of the new Entertainment Weekly until today, and I was pleasantly surprised to see the 3 internal alternate covers with Michelle Pfieffer, Eva Green and Helena Bonham Carter. [ghost_smiley] Haven't read the article yet, though...
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I listened to Kathryn Leigh Scott's interview last night (this morning) on Coast to Coast A.M. It was very lengthy -- 2 hours long. She really didn't say anything I hadn't heard before, but was very graceful and seemed genuine. Did anyone else listen?
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And I see that Entertainment Tonight is apparently running previews counting down to the weekend DS show because Eva Green was on again last night to say there were two days left.
And Green was on again last night - but it was preceded by a segment with Michelle Pfeiffer.
It's going to be interesting to see how much of this weekend's show is about DS and how much is devoted to Burton and Depp's other collaborations - not to mentions how much of the show will be stuff we've already seen on ET...
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Tomorrow's New York Times has an article about Dark Shadows in the Arts & Leisure section.
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Sorry I didn't know about this when I posted the EW cover article, but EW also has a piece on Alice Cooper and many of his film/TV cameos over the years.
Also "The 5 Michelle Pfeiffer Movies We Love" on p. 56.
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I love The Age of Innocence and particularly Michelle Pfeiffer in it. I could go on and on about that film - but I won't because this isn't a The Age of Innocence topic. [ghost_wink]
One thing that I just remembered that I keep forgetting to mention is that now there seems to be two 15 second TV spots - though neither of them contain any new footage as they appear to be cut down versions of already existing spots with some graphics added to help to make the premise of the film clear quickly.
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Those ET promos were misleading because the show is not only focusing on Depp, Burton and DS. It started off reporting about Jessica Simpson's baby. Then there was a segment on DS - though not with much new. And that was followed by a segment about Liberace. Now there's some segment on the Met Fashion Gala. And there will be more on Liberace. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Well, OK - the second segment on DS is much better - with more to come - but not before more that has absolutely nothing to do with DS...
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The other DS segments were also an improvement over the first. And the show did have their own interviews with Michelle Pfeiffer, Eva Green, Bella Heathcote, Chloe Moretz, Jackie Earle Haley, Jonny Lee Miller (barely), and Tim Burton, so that's also a plus. Overall, it's certainly worth watching.
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Apparently ET isn't the only show that can do things differently for their weekend shows because Access Hollywood practically ran a totally different CinemaCon segment with Michelle Pfeiffer on its weekend show from what they'd done during the week. In fact, barely anything from the original edit was repeated and footage was even added of Chloe Moretz talking about first meeting Pfeiffer.
Now who knows what if anything may be different later tonight when I record the weekend edition of Extra?
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'Dark Shadows' fitting tribute to '60s TV soap
Depp plays awkward, misunderstood but loveable weirdo (http://www.canada.com/entertainment/Dark+Shadows+fitting+tribute+soap/6571517/story.html)
Another prescreening giveaway:
Dark Shadows Bay Area Prescreening! (http://997now.cbslocal.com/2012/05/04/dark-shadows-bay-area-prescreening/)
And apparently this will be in many Sunday newspapers tomorrow:
Michelle Pfeiffer Covers Parade May 2012 (http://celebrity-gossip.net/michelle-pfeiffer/michelle-pfeiffer-covers-parade-may-2012-628288)
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I know I haven't been watching the latest featurettes, but the beginning of this one looks different from the beginnings of the others, so it appears to be new:
Dark Shadows - "Barnabas Unleashed" (http://www.fearnet.com/videos/b26245_dark_shadows_barnabas_unleashed.html)
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Interesting.
This isn't a spoiler really, but in this new "featurette," you hear the "Carolyn" flute riff from hoDS playing over the scene when the construction crew have just unearthed Barnabas and he utters the "thirsty" line when about to attack one of the men.
G.
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The Dark Shadows Soundtrack (not to be confused with the score by Danny Elfman; the soundtrack has the Alice Cooper, T. Rex, Iggy Pop et al. songs) is FINALLY listed on Amazon as something other than a $43 import. However, there only seems to be an mp3 download option. Perhaps there won't be a CD version released in the US (or maybe one will come later). At any rate, I'm glad it's at least going to be available, albeit as mp3 only. It'll be released on the originally announced date, this Tuesday, May 8, which is the same date that the score is released.
Amazon: Dark Shadows: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Original-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B0080T9RA2/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336304277&sr=1-5)
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the clips of pfieffer from 'scarface' and 'dangerous liaisons' are a reminder that she was once an interesting actress.
at some point in the 1990's she became a mainstream hollywood romcom queen.
DS looks like a new challenge for her. i was completely indifferent, if not downright sceptical, of her casting initially. however she's really looking like one of the best things in the movie.
i think she's going to make a fabulous liz.
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In addition to the shows I've already mentioned, two others did DS segments last night (or in the wee hours of this morning, which is when they're run in my area):
Star Watch did a nice segment with host Sam Hallenbeck doing his own interviews with Michelle Pfeiffer and Tim Burton.
And Entertainers did an even nicer, slightly over 4 minutes DS segment. It featured Johnny Depp, behind the scenes clips, and footage - all of which was probably taken from what Warner Brothers provided and has been posted online - but as I've not watched a lot of that, most of it was completely new to me.
Star Watch often features films the weekend before they open and the weekend they open, so DS may appear on next weekend's show as well.
And speaking of next weekend, Hollyscoop promoted that they will be doing a DS segment next weekend...
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Oops - I forgot to mention that Extra did indeed have more with Michelle Pfeiffer on their weekend show than they did during the week. Supposedly there's even more of her from CinemaCon on their Web site (www.extratv.com), but I couldn't seem to locate it. Perhaps someone else will have better luck...
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outside depp pfieffer is certainly the biggest "star" attached to the project but they are really giving her the buildup.
on the OS after the barnabas introduction liz essentially became a "reactive" character. she didn't really drive the plots but reacted or responded to what was happening with the barnabas-driven storylines.
here she seems more proactive. she's actively involved in what's happening. she's pushing the action along and not just reacting to things.
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here she seems more proactive. she's actively involved in what's happening. she's pushing the action along and not just reacting to things.
Which is excellent. And it's also why I've said, too, that I think Liz is going be a fascinating character in the film. I can't wait to see how her stuff plays out.
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Yeah. If more of the movie were going to be along the lines of PfeiffLiz's scenes with BarnaDepp and JuliaBC, I might actually be interested in seeing it.
But most of what I have seen of it makes me think the thing will be a crashing bore. With stunning costumes and art direction, granted.
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I just want to point out that "box office mojo" says Marvel's The Avenger opened in 4,349 theaters while DS will open in 3,700 theaters. Even if DS sales out every set for every showing it would be hard to beat their The Avengers numbers. But we can hope.
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Well there is no way that Shadows will beat out Avengers. Disney did it right. They struck a balance for die-hard comic geeks and casual viewers and created a movie that seems to make all audiences happy, garnering multiple viewings. Warners would seem to have messed it up, alienating many Shadows and Horror fans and simply targeting mainstream, casual viewers. I am fairly sure it would have been possible for Warners to produce a Dark Shadows film along the lines of what Disney did for Avengers. But, apparently, they didn't want to. The movie will probably make money, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be the film people will see over and over again like Avengers. But who knows... Maybe it will surprise everyone.
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I think it's an extremely hard call. If the film had been done as a straight up supernatural romance, it may have appealed to DS fans and people who remember the show, but in the general audience many may have looked at it as the same old same old - or worse yet, some rip-off of Twilight - and stayed away in droves because they have no interest in another Twilight or in seeing something they believe ripped that film off (even though DS preceded Twilight by decades). Radically changing things up may actually work to the film's advantage because it may attract people who generally have no interest in supernatural films because they believe they're going to get something different (and there's no disputing that the non-supernatural portion of any potential audience is much larger than the supernatural portion of it is). And it may attract people who are aware of DS as a supernatural soap and are curious to see what Depp/Burton's Gothic sensibility and quirkiness will do with it.
It is nice to see, though, that the box office forecasts are encouraging...
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a few more thoughts...
it would appear that barnabas is entombed in 1772(6) childless and without siblings. do we know who the "modern" collins family is descended from? a "new york branch" of the family?
also i was sort of hoping that in the event of a sequel a laura collins storyline would be nice. but since the part of david's mother has been cast as a bit part by an unknown actress does that make it hard for her to be a big player in future stories? also i don't think pheonix's can drown, right? so does that change the character's nature completely?
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if this film is a hit why do people only mention other movies and not a new tv show i know they tried a number of times but always failed except for the 91 series but if it is a box office success maybe one of the networks will give it another shot.
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I think a good adult supernatural love story could work very well and get great box office. No one would say that Ghost was anything like Twilight and a straight DS wouldn't have to be anything like Twilight.
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The thing is, though, that something like Ghost was long before Twilight and it didn't involve vampires, and nowadays when the general film audience thinks "vampire/human romance" they think Twilight. So, for better or worse, regardless of whether DS would be different, a "vampire/human romance" predjudicial attitude would already be established in the general audience.
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There is no doubt that Warners needed a way to differentiate Shadows from Twilight. No doubt. And seeing a redux of the 1991 series would have been boring. But I still think there was a way of doing Shadows without the overt 1970s references and the silly comedy. I think it's interesting that Warners/Burton removed the timeless/placeless element of the original series. What they have produced is a hodgepodge tribute to the decade of the 1970s, using the DS characters as the primary vehicle. It's an interesting twist, but I think that is to its detriment. A little bit of the 70s, yeah... That would be great. But it's just way overdone here, to the point that it's That '70s Shadows as opposed to Dark Shadows simply set in the 1970s. It's hammy. It's campy. It's the 70s. But is it Dark Shadows? I guess the fans will decide if/when they see it.
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See, but now you're getting more into creativity and I was strictly speaking box office, and they don't necessarily have anything in common because a film can be one of the most creative ever made and still not generate box office, or it can be creatively desolate and still become a huge box office hit. The argument I'm trying to make has nothing to do with how the DS film as made may turn out creatively - it only has to do with the potential problems that would have been inherent in attracting the current general audience to a straight up vampire/human romance version of DS. And no matter how hard Warner Brothers might have tried to differentiate a straight up vampire/human romance version of DS from Twilight, that would have been a huge uphill battle when Twilight and attitudes toward Twilight are so entrenched in the current zeitgeist.
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Personally, I've never really cared about how much DS will make at the box office, other than that I hope it's not a flop and that they are able to make back more than the budget. The Avengers isn't even in the same universe, because it's a mega-concentration of all the comic book heroes, most of which have individually been among the biggest box office successes ever. We can't expect the box office to be anywhere near the same, and like I said, I'm not even hoping for that, just for a respectable success. Many if not most of the movies I like the best aren't among the hugest box office successes. And unfortunately, horror as a genre tends to be a tough one as far as box office success- I always wonder why more folks don't go out and see the better ones. Anyway, we'll see what happens.
Anyway, there has just been a press conference somewhere in Hollywood- you can read some tweets about it from CineMovie's twitter. Unfortunately, there are no photos or videos (yet- hopefully some sanctioned ones will surface).
http://twitter.com/#!/cinemovie (http://twitter.com/#!/cinemovie)
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Totally. But the creative direction was inspired by the need to bring in big box office numbers and differentiate it from Twilight. Still, I can't imagine how a straight Johnny Depp vampire film would have had any problems doing well - even if it looked just like Twilight. Mixing it up a bit is important, but completely altering the mood and genre is what has turned off a lot of the fanbases (And we aren't just talking about DS fans here). And while they are not important to initial profitability, they do drive the success of a picture. To 95% of the population, it's just another movie (regardless of the content). To Warners, establishing a fan-base (tapping into the one that already exists ain't half bad either) is important for continued box office success and possible sequels. 21 Jump Street discounted the fans of the original and did well. Shadows may do the same. But there are a lot more Shadows fans (far more casual than diehard) than Jump Streeters.
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You made a comment that it would have been possible for Warner Brothers to produce a DS film along the lines of what Disney did for The Avengers. And I'm not trying to dispute that they could have. [ghost_smiley] But what you also said was that apparently they didn't want to. So, all I'm trying to do is offer a theory as to why Warner Brothers may have thought that doing a straight up vampire/human romance version of DS may have been a difficult box office prospect for them and/or may have caused them more headaches than they thought it was worth. After all, as it was Burton has already commented that initially getting Warner Brothers to even do DS at all was a tough sell. So it's pretty much a given that they made the film they though would generate the most box office for them because, when it comes to major studios, nothing is more important than their bottom line. [ghost_wink]
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Oh, I absolutely agree. I just think that undercutting the fanbases could have an effect on their long-term profits. Who knows? Clearly they did what they thought was best. We will see how it works for them.
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Well, Disney must've done some brilliant marketting to get The Avengers to break those records. Somehow, the studio appealed to fans of comic book characters and undoubtedly quite a few more beyond the genre. I, however, have no interest in seeing it. The thought of sitting through a couple hours about the exploits of Colonel United States and Womanamazing and Thunk and Belchman or whatever fighting the evil Dr. Corporatinian would drive me to drink. But then, to each their own.
One thing to remember, is that this "record-breaking" stuff is actually inflated numbers. A movie pulls in x-amount of dollars, but that isn't based upon the number of people flooding into theaters, but how much it cost for them to do so. It costs too darn much to see a movie today and gone are the days when more than 50% of people would often fill the cinemas on a weekly basis. What was the average price of a ticket for that movie? Twelve bucks? More? A bit less? When I saw HoDS back in '70, it cost me 35 cents (a matinee - the evening showing cost fifty cents). I got to the theater two hours before it opened. By the time it did, the line went all the way down the block and around the corner. I don't see lines like that at theaters anymore. Even if a "blockbuster" is playing, the longest the line is at any time is about a half-dozen people. The last time I saw a down-the-block line was for Independence Day and that was 16 years ago.
The most seen, and - counting for inflation and adjustment to today's dollars - profitable movie ever made was Gone With the Wind. If one does the adjustment, the made-the-most-money movies like Titanic and Avatar and several others pale in comparison. My now-deceased mom told me she saw it in 1939 for a dime - 10 cents. A big bag of popcorn, with butter (real butter), cost a nickel. Even at the tail end of the Great Depression I, people scraping to make a living could afford to go to the movies and did so in droves, often exceeding 50% a week. Today, during our current Great Depression II, who can afford to go accept once in a blue moon? Most people don't go to the movies.
But congrats to The Avengers for pulling in so much dough. I'm just curious who saw it. When I mentioned it to friends, many of them responded: "The what?" They never heard of it. But many of my friends will be going to see DS next Saturday (for a cheaper matinee) and having our DS party celebration (we're still undecided if we want to have brunch before, or "dunch" after). There are 30 in our group. Only about four were fans of the show growing up. The next largest group grew up when it was on but weren't fans and only saw it rarely. After that comes the group that wasn't around when it first aired and most loathed it when seeing it in reruns, but now can't wait and are really getting into the OS. They've learned an appreciation because of this film. We don't care if it breaks records, makes a profit, breaks even or is a flop. We'll be filling up several rows of seats. Maybe we'll be the only ones there, but we will have done our part. We won't make it the next Gone With the Wind, but we'll be in enjoyment nontheless.
Gerard
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I just think that undercutting the fanbases could have an effect on their long-term profits.
I suspect the audience Warner Brothers has always had in mind is the general audience, and at least when it comes to DS fans, they've never had targeting us in mind. And their whole trailer and TV spot marketing strategy would seem to confirm that.
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I just purchased my tickets for a Midnight showing of Dark Shadows here in Kentucky. I am sort of shocked they are having a midnight showing but happy. I have to drive about 20 miles but it's well worth it. I have to say that it's amazing that I get to watch DS with my friend Anna who I met 22 years ago through fandom. To see this movie with her is so special. DS brought us together and she is my bestie now. I am so thankful to DS for bringing me to all these wonderful people in my life!!!
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i feel like the conversation is backtracking to where it was several weeks ago when the uber-campy trailer was first released.
since then we've seen and heard much more. none of us has seen this film, but i don't feel "alienated", or "undercutted", as of yet.
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I certainly didn't mean to imply for my part that I feel alienated or undercut by the strategy behind the trailers or the TV spots. [ghost_nowink] As I've said several times, I've been loving them - and the more I see of them, the more I find to love. Plus I never thought for a moment that the film was being made for me or that it would be marketed to me. Maybe that's another reason why I'm willing to keep an open mind and to accept or reject the film based solely on what it might turn out to be rather than what I might have originally envisioned it might have been...
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and as lara parker rightly pointed out in a recent interview "we" are a "drop in the bucket".
how many attended the fest last year. 1,500? and the FB "boycott" groups and so forth that have sprung up can't generate more than 65 or so members. hardly an effective boycott.
at the end of the day curiosity always kills the cat. i think alot of "real fans" who have vowed never to see this will go. the temptation will be too overpowering not to.
if for no other reason than to continue there conversation about what a "travesty" it is.
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I was strictly speaking box office, and they don't necessarily have anything in common because a film can be one of the most creative ever made and still not generate box office
You're absolutely right, MB. How many of you have seen the 2011 film Melancholia? How many of you have heard of it? It's an end-of-the-world flick that is undoubtedly one of the most creative and beautifully filmed of that genre. It won tons of awards and award nominations. The critics were in high praise. Those who saw it were amazed. Of course, one of the reasons for its low box office was bad marketing and it being viewed as "artsy." But there have been poorly marketed and "artsy" films which were highly creative and wonderfully done that rose high in box office because of word-of-mouth. It didn't make gobs of money (yet) for the studio, but those of us who took the time and spent the money (including in gas to drive hours to a city that had a theater showing it), find that the time and money was well worth it. I only wish the studio that made Melancholia (Zentropa - no, I hadn't heard of it until this film either) somehow had found a way to get the word out.
And we need to remember that creativity is in the eye of the creator (and eventually the viewer). Could they have made a highly creative, straight, gothic-horror-romance version of DS? I'm sure they could. But who'd see it? As has been mentioned here before, we've been inundated with straight, gothic-horror-romance movies (and most not so creative - Twilight, oh, ick). It's understandable when studios want to capitalize on what's popular, but when it turns into saturation, ticket-payers have a tendency to stay away from what was momentarily popular to the same-old-same-old. There are people here who will remember the "disaster" genre of the '70's. It began with Airport (no, not Airplane - Airport) in 1970, followed by The Poseidon Adventure in 1972, and climaxed with The Towering Inferno in 1974. There were others, but they couldn't surpass TTI and tried all sorts of gimmicks like the seat-shaking sensaround in Earthquake. You could tell the studios were getting desperate in hoping that the same-old-same-old would continue to make money. But people, who initially loved all those early disaster films, became tired of watching bygone stars of yesteryear falling/burning/being-crushed to their deaths. How many times could Olivia DeHavilland be saved from a crashed airliner or a swarm of killer bees? By the end of the '70's, the whole disaster genre, done to death, became nothing but fodder for sarcasm, ending with its tombstone in the brilliant comedy Airplane. DS doesn't need to be another Twilight, even if its not and even if it could be done in a dark vein without it being another Twilight. But the market is now saturated, so it had to do something because Warner Bros. probably figured (and rightly so) that audiences would perceive it as such.
Gerard
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But congrats to The Avengers for pulling in so much dough. I'm just curious who saw it.
I saw The Avengers, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It had lots of action and some pretty witty humor. They also showed a preview for Tim Burton's Frankenweenie, BTW.
I don't want to hijack the thread and turn it into a discussion of The Avengers, but I kind of see some parallels between comic book fans and OS fans. There are a group of hardcore comic fans who want the movie versions to be treated completely seriously with little to know humor. However, the need to bring in big audiences requires some level of entertainment that will attract crowds for night time shows that are willing to pay full price, which tends to be teenagers and young adults who are less likely to be among that hardcore fan set. Marvel created a nice balance in The Avengers, with some great action scenes but at least two scenes that literally made me laugh out loud. That laughter came at the expense of certain major characters, and I won't be shocked if there's a small group of fans of these particular characters who are unhappy. It strikes me that this is similar to those who think Barnabas should neither be funny nor have any jokes made at his expense, even though he is both a fish out of water AND a vampire. While it will alienate a few, it won't be upsetting to the vast majority of moviegoers.
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I don't want DS to be Twilight or Airplane. I hated Airplane. Of the two I think I'd rather it be like Twilight and I'm no Twilight fan.
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If you haven't been to the film's official Web site lately, I've noticed that they've added some new things like wallpapers for your computer, ipad, and iphone - and there's also a feature where you can use a webcam or upload your photo to substitute your face on some of the portraits.
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'Dark Shadows': Tim Burton's quirky touches lurk (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/06/PKHT1OB4N3.DTL)
Michelle Pfeiffer: What She Knows Now (http://www.chieftain.com/parade/michelle-pfeiffer-what-she-knows-now/article_2763931e-f5a8-5ca0-a38b-7781ac5eee46.html)
The Vampire Who Came Out in the Afternoon (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/arts/television/tim-burton-brings-tvs-dark-shadows-back-as-a-movie.html?_r=1)
Michelle Pfeiffer goes for laughs in big-screen remake of ‘Dark Shadows’ (http://bostonherald.com/entertainment/movies/general/view/20220506scream_queen_michelle_pfeiffer_goes_for_laughs_in_big-screen_remake_of_dark_shadows)
(Given the title of this article, I'd say this comment is interesting: “It has a lot of comedy,” Pfeiffer said, “but I would say it’s drama. Kind of a family drama.”)
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horror movies can be a success look at all the saw movies and house of dark shadows did very well at the box office lets see if this comedy ds dose as well.
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Warners has just announced that they have fired Depp, HBC, and Heathcote! And look who they have replaced them with! I guess this movie is gonna be great after all! No doubt about it now...
(Courtesy the DS site Portrait Maker)
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I didn't get to see the Jonny Lee Miller on Jimmy Kimmel until tonight. From what he said, apparently Kimmel has seen the whole movie. He said he liked it, but also only used the word funny. While we know there is some humor, we've also been led to believe there are a lot of other elements, so his only saying "funny" was rather disturbing.
Other than Depp, Carter and Pfeiffer, I had never heard of any of these actors, so I had forgotten which part he played, and while watching him, I was assuming it was Willie. I just found out a little while ago that he's Roger. So, the scene that they showed of him with Barnabas seemed perfect for Willie. Now that I know he's Roger, I'm really curious to see how that scene comes about!!
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And because I had fun with the first three, here are two more...
Joan Bennett as Elizabeth Collins Stoddard and Alexandra Moltke as Josette duPres.
I just used the pictures I had on hand. I am sure someone who really wanted to could make them look really good. But it was a quick and fun diversion. Just couldn't get Angie to work...
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gkfilms @gkfilms
RT @RealAliceCooper: Heading to LA for tonight's premier of @wbpictures #DarkShadows by #TimBurton! http://bit.ly/KI2fNS
2:04 PM - 7 May 12
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Some comments from the press conference. http://www.craveonline.com/film/interviews/188095-johnny-depp-on-dark-shadows-and-long-vampire-nails
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Thanks for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
Here are some more online articles:
No hissing from Michelle Pfeiffer about Anne Hathaway as Catwoman (http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/12364522-421/no-hissing-from-michelle-pfeiffer-about-anne-hathaway-as-catwoman.html)
(Who knows - Depp might have made for an interesting Catwoman - and after all, there were all those (false) reports that he would be doing the film. [ghost_wink])
Tim Burton Vamps It Up in His 'Dark Shadows' Remake (http://www.thedailybeast.com//content/newsweek/2012/05/06/tim-burton-on-dark-shadows-even-i-can-t-explain-it.html)
Best Bets: "Dark Shadows" in the movies, "Desperate Housewives" and "Survivor" on TV (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57428432-10391698/best-bets-dark-shadows-in-the-movies-desperate-housewives-and-survivor-on-tv/)
Top 3 Pop: 'Dark Shadows' opens in theaters Friday (http://articles.mcall.com/2012-05-06/entertainment/mc-top-pop-dark-shadows-johnny-depp-0507-20120506_1_factions-battle-dark-shadows-barnabus-collins)
TRIP's next step is going abroad (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118053185?refCatId=19)
(Article from Variety that some may not be able to access - but it mentions that the DS film benefited from the Tax Rebate for International Production (TRIP), and the article includes the photo of Depp as Barnabas standing in front of his portrait.)
This Rotten Week: Predicting Dark Shadows Reviews (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Dark-Shadows-Reviews-30785.html)
(It's interesting that at the moment the poll accompanying the article overwhelmingly disagrees with the article's prediction. Though it's anyone's guess if the voters think his prediction is too high or too low. [ghost_wink])
'Dark Shadows' is lighter with Tim Burton (http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/dark-shadows-is-lighter-with-tim-burton/fc1e5a0d7b1952dc189e02516ed66ca6)
Director Tim Burton and Johnny Depp reteam for revival of vampire soap opera ‘Dark Shadows' (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/director-tim-burton-johnny-depp-reteam-revival-vampire-soap-opera-dark-shadows-article-1.1070721)
(Who knew Barnabas would be awakening in 1976? But then, what are DS articles without glaring errors? [ghost_rolleyes])
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Thanks MB for the links. One on one interview with TB. There is an in studio shot of JD on Widows' Hill. http://www.mtvu.com/shows/ask-tim-burton/
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Oops - I missed this from yesterday, even though I'd swear the Google alert for it wasn't in my e-mail yesterday:
‘Dark Shadows’ producer: Johnny Depp was a ‘man on a mission’ (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/05/06/dark-shadows-producer-johnny-depp-man-on-a-mission/)
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More articles:
Trailer Talk: This Week in Movies - 'Dark Shadows,'... (http://www.starpulse.com/news/Evan_Crean/2012/05/07/trailer_talk_this_week_in_movies_dark)
Next Factor: 'Dark Shadows' Star Gulliver McGrath (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/next-factor-gulliver-mcgrath-dark-shadows/)
(Nice photo with JLM.)
Bella Heathcote of ‘Dark Shadows’ — Crush of the Day (http://guyspeed.com/bella-heathcote-pictures/)
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I think it's rather unfair to compare the DS film to something as massive as The Avengers. There is no way in hell that DS could ever hope to make as much money as The Avengers has made (207 million) in an opening weekend--honestly I would think that it would be a respectable showing for DS to make that throughout its entire US run.
The reason The Avengers has made so much money is simple: build up. Of course you have your comic book fans who are going to see it regardless, but think of how many people Marvel has brought in to their world with the numerous films--Iron Man 1 and 2, Captain America, Thor....and even as far back as the two Hulk films--all of which feed into this Avengers film. The sheer number of people that probably saw Iron Man and then were told "Hey, Captain America and Thor are part of that same story" or "they'll link up somehow" and then decided to go see it are staggering I'm sure.
While Burton, Depp, Pfeiffer et al are definitely box office draws, when you have something like DS which is admittedly difficult to market--not even the director knows exactly what genre it should belong to--and as such is being marketed in several different ways--from horror to comedy to drama and everything inbetween--the casual movie goer more than likely is going to be confused and think it looks stupid or, on the extreme other end of the spectrum, is going to be so intrigued that they will actually go and see it. More than likely it will be the former rather than the latter because, let's face it, the majority of the American movie going public are probably not going to like a film or want to see a film that is confused about its own identity.
And while we're facing things, it is also good to mention that when things are blown up in movies, that automatically pretty much guarantees a certain demographic of people are going to see it, just based on fire-y explosions alone.
Another interesting fact about The Avengers that I read somewhere is that both men and women thoroughly enjoyed the film, and while I'm sure more men than woman saw the movie, men rated it at an A+ while women who saw it simply gave it an A. Those are scores you can't argue with, in my opinion. And when I saw it over the weekend there were plenty of women--of all ages--in the crowd. More men then women for sure, but it was almost even in what I'll call a 60/40 for the breakdown. The film struck the perfect balance of character moments and spectacular action (yes, I saw it) and even had small moments from the female characters that your typical female audience probably appreciated. I'll admit that DS has romance and supernatural elements, but as we've seen with the recent healthy crop of films and books that have been released within the past 10 years or so, those things together are more of a draw for a younger female audience than a younger male (or any male for that matter) audience, period.
Personally, I expect DS to do well for what the film is, and those who were involved with making it. Will it be another hugely successful blockbuster for Burton a la Alice In Wonderland? Only time will tell, but I doubt it. I think it will certainly make its budget back and gain a healthy enough profit to warrant a sequel should the studio even be thinking in terms of franchise.
With The Avengers only opening a week in advance of DS, I think its a guarantee that DS will come in at the number 2 position next week. Anyone who didn't see The Avengers this week (and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't at least know someone who did) will undoubtedly be heavily encouraged by their peers to go see it at some point this week, or over this upcoming weekend. In the weeks following the release of DS, I think the film will rely heavily on word-of-mouth to get people who may not be otherwise interested in seeing it into the theater. I've already reminded a few people I had mentioned the film to within the past couple of months that its actually coming out this week in hopes that they'll give it a chance.
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Warner Brothers is already starting to run TV spots that include excerpts from reviews. I just saw one. But I won't say any more than that about it because reviews are to be saved until the next topic for the film gets started at midnight on the 11th...
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The BLACK Carpet...
http://yfrog.com/ods8cosj
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Well this is one male that hasn't and has no plans to see The Advengers. If I never see another "superhero" movie in my life it won't upset me.
Also keep in mind that The Advengers opened in more theaters than any other movie. Unless all movies open in the same number of theaters it's like compairing apples to oranges.
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Too bad this was not the logo used in the promotions. Maybe in the film?
http://instagr.am/p/KTgbE5jnZz
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CB I like that logo thanks for sharing. WB yielded to The Avengers. http://www.showblitz.com/2012/05/avengers-staying-in-all-imax-locations-in-sharing-agreement-with-warner-bros.html
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Interesting. More IMAX theaters for DS certainly won't hurt. But it may mean I'll have to see DS at a different time than I was planning on Friday. I suppose I'll see...
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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Tweets and photos from Warner Brothers:
Warner Bros Pictures @wbpictures
We're here at the #DarkShadows premiere in Hollywood - say hello to @jackieearle, who plays Willie Loomis! http://twitpic.com/9im9ey
10:03 PM - 7 May 12
Warner Bros Pictures @wbpictures
The lovely Eva Green has arrived! Stunning as always. #DarkShadows http://twitpic.com/9imc93
10:07 PM - 7 May 12
Warner Bros Pictures @wbpictures
#JohnnyDepp is here! The #DarkShadows star graces the black carpet at tonight's Hollywood premiere: http://twitpic.com/9imhg4
10:24 PM - 7 May 12
Warner Bros Pictures @wbpictures
You're looking #kickass as ever, @ChloeGMoretz! Excited to have you at tonight's #DarkShadows premiere! http://twitpic.com/9immy3
10:42 PM - 7 May 12
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it would appear that barnabas is entombed in 1772(6) childless and without siblings. do we know who the "modern" collins family is descended from? a "new york branch" of the family?
I was playing around on the movie's website, and using the feature called "Collins Family Tree" you can drag and drop pictures of the characters to see how they are related to each other. If you use Liz as the hub and drag Barnabas to one of the points, the relation is this: Jamison Collins is Liz's father, Abner Collins is Jamison's father, Gabriel Collins is Abner's father, and then is says Joshua Collins Gabriel's father, or that's what it seems to imply. Perhaps Joshua and Gabriel are brothers?
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I'll put this in the spoiler tags, because I know some of you will put two and two together. Chances are you will, so I'd recommend not reading it until after seeing the movie. But I just have to brag a bit.
[spoiler]I was right about Carolyn's secret. [/spoiler]
That is all.
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The Ellen DeGeneres Show: Johnny Depp - Tuesday, May 8, 2012 (http://ellen.warnerbros.com/2012/05/johnny_depp_-_tuesday_may_8_2012.php)
Tim Burton Talks Frankenweenie & Dark Shadows (http://www.moviefanatic.com/2012/05/tim-burton-talks-frankenweenie-and-dark-shadows/)
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@davidselbycom: Photo you've been waiting for. Original series actors @ #DarkShadows premiere http://ow.ly/aLi4f
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Warner Bros Pictures @wbpictures
The lovely Eva Green has arrived! Stunning as always. #DarkShadows http://twitpic.com/9imc93
10:07 PM - 7 May 12
Wow! (Though she must be sweltering in that gown. It's still very warm here.)
@davidselbycom: Photo you've been waiting for. Original series actors @ #DarkShadows premiere http://ow.ly/aLi4f
Thank you thank you thank you!
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Yes, thank you, MsCriseyde. [ghost_smiley]
And make that two TV spots quoting reviews. And the second one also contains new footage.
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i got to go to the premiere at the chinese theatre and saw the movie! unfortunately that meant i had to give up the chance to photograph or videotape any of the red(black)carpet since they would not permit anyone in with cameras and we all had to stay in line around the corner and couldnt see anything anyway. i will not spoil the film for anyone or at least try my best not to. i enjoyed it. it was not a full on comedy but there were a few silly and over the top scenes. there are several changes to the story we all know. depp is great as barnabas and pays homage to frid in several scenes. visually it is stunning and some fantastic special effects at the end. several surprises at the endas well. the only robert cobert music was the track called "the secret room"and i never heard the original theme used but the music reminds u of coberts in many places. the cameos are too quick. frid is on just a couple of seconds. selby/scott/parker just a few seconds more. none have any dialogue. the film is only dedicated to dan curtis.
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Johnny Depp performed with Alice Cooper, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry last night at the DS premiere afterparty. There are some grainy twitter pix floating about [ghost_smiley] Anyway, I was looking to see if by some chance there might be any YouTubes uploaded, and while I didn't see any, I found a YouTube of the cast arrivals. Most of this is Johnny signing autographs, but there are glimpses of Eva Green, Tim Burton, Bella Heathcote, Alice Cooper and Steven Tyler, and at the very end, the lovely KLS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5xmobQDRI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5xmobQDRI)
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Variety predicts a soft weekend box office for DS somewhere between $30 to the low $40 millions. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118053647?refCatId=13
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I watched a little of the Youtube footage. The premiere looked like the usualy H'wood madhouse.
I don't know why somebody found it necessary to yell that the late Mr. Frid is "the only Barnabas Collins."
Mr. Depp doesn't deserve heckling. Regardless of what one may think of his performance or the movie, he has been very respectful to Mr. Frid throughout the project and said lovely words after Mr. Frid passed on.
G.
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Because there are some people who spend too much time in front of the television instead of being outside with real people learning basic social skills and common courtesy.
I don't know why somebody found it necessary to yell that the late Mr. Frid is "the only Barnabas Collins."
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DS somewhere between $30 to the low $40 million
Well, that's more in keeping with what I've been thinking all along, rather than the $60 million Empire Magazine was forecasting. And even though it's hard to know how things really will play out, with The Avengers being as huge as it is, that's going to cut into all the other films playing this upcoming weekend, not just DS. Plus, when I said -
More IMAX theaters for DS certainly won't hurt.
- I wasn't really thinking because even though DS will be jumping from 225 IMAX theaters to 300, which means it will be playing in 75 more theaters than it was originally going to, it will be sharing those theaters with The Avengers. And even if as Variety says, the theaters equally divide showings between DS and The Avengers, not only would that still mean that DS will lose 300 showings per day (based on 4 showings per day at 225 = 900 showings vs. 2 showings per day at 300 = 600) for a total loss of 900 showings over the entire weekend, who knows what times of day DS will show and what times The Avengers will show. There's certainly no guarantee that DS will get the showtimes that would be more likely to be highly attended. So, in the end DS is probably still going to get screwed by the new deal...
And an interesting thing in all this is that I have 3 IMAX theaters in my vicinity that I could potentially choose from (with one being much closer than the other two), and even though they always have Friday's showtimes up on their Web sites by this time on Tuesdays, none of them have their showings up yet. And when I called each theater to check for Friday's showtimes, I was told that they're not available yet because they haven't been decided...
Though as far as the foreign box office goes, none of this will matter one iota. In fact, The Avengers has already been playing in most foreign markets for weeks already, so it won't factor anywhere near as much when it comes to DS' box office take outside the US as it will in the US.
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Because there are some people who spend too much time in front of the television instead of being outside with real people learning basic social skills and common courtesy.
I don't know why somebody found it necessary to yell that the late Mr. Frid is "the only Barnabas Collins."
Eh, knowing Johnny, he probably agrees. What is probably more important to Johnny was that Frid himself was supportive. I don't think it was ever Johnny's intent to replace Frid in any way. But he had the opportunity to make this film and to salute him and the show in his and Burton's own way. I and many others have said this before: if you don't like the movie, it will never take anything away from you; you still have the show to enjoy.
[spoiler]I'm a little discouraged by the first few reviews.[/spoiler]As much as I'm a Depp fan, I don't automatically love everything he does, and I may not like this film. After having gone through a period of optimism, I have lately been having the feeling that I will be disappointed. Ah well, if that comes to pass, at least I can say I enjoyed the anticipation and the conversation with you folks. I enjoyed seeing the complete series being released on DVD, and am thrilled to have the postcard that Frid signed. I will look forward to the release of HODS and NODS. If these things have been facilitated in any way by the DS film, it's no loss. Plus, I as a Depp fan can enjoy the stills, the behind the scenes, the premiere photos, and many of the other goodies, even if I am disappointed in the film itself. It's all good!
I have joined several DS Facebook groups, but confess that I haven't spent a lot of time on them. Taeylor's is by far the nicest and I apologize for not participating more there. But I spot checked a few of these sites this morning, and I was horrified by some of the behavior I saw there.[spoiler]People are absolutely gleeful that Variety didn't give a rave review,[/spoiler]or that the forecast isn't for Avengers numbers. So many are saying "I told you so", and "they deserve failure for what they did to us true fans". Holy expletive. For a group that in the 60's and 70's begged for acceptance for their eccentric tastes, some of these folks are now acting like the cool kids who are getting together to heckle and bully. One poor fellow on the main DS FB group kept trying to defend the film, even admitting he hasn't seen it and isn't sure if he'll like it, and he was accused of being a plant, and the old standby: "How old are you?" I'd say the same about those who ask that question. On the other hand, the site that is gung ho about the film seems almost as bad. I thought I'd identify with them more because on the surface they're favoring open-mindedness, but I see a lot of heckling and goading of those who haven't cared for the snippets they've seen so far or who have trepidations.
Anyway, sorry to vent about this. All to say, I appreciate the community and environment that we have here on the DS forums. I haven't always agreed with everyone's opinions, or even their attitudes, in either direction, but I have always appreciated the civility and tolerance here. Kudos to MB and Midnite for helping to keep this such a wonderful place!
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One thing to keep in mind, which the I-Told-You-So contingent is apparently choosing to ignore, is that there are also good reviews out there. And that doesn't need to be spoilered because quite obviously Warner Brothers wouldn't be quoting from bad reviews in their latest TV spots. [ghost_wink]
And realistically, no one should have ever been expecting DS to bring in box office numbers like The Avengers, so to gloat over the fact that DS isn't expected to is really taking gloating to a bizarre extreme. [ghost_huh] Though I suppose it's to be expected from the people who are doing it...
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I very rarely listen to reviews....although I have to admit in some cases, I wish I had.
But a lot of movies I enjoy are some that the critics have bashed mercilessly. That's why I don't listen to them. I will go to see a movie, and I will either like it or not like it.
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a lot of movies I enjoy are some that the critics have bashed mercilessly
I suspect we can all say that. Plus I've really disliked some movies that many critics have fallen all over themselves to adore. All of which is why, as I've said, I avoid reviews and prefer to make up my own mind. The reality is that no two people, no matter how similar in many respects, are going to completely have the same taste...
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Okay... I have got to admit that I have learned a plot detail that actually piqued my interest enough to want to see this film again. Because I think it's a perfect accommodation. I am sure that a lot of things will fall flat with me or disappoint me, but I am thinking John August's story has the potential to be very good and fit perfectly into the Dark Shadows universe we know. Now... if only there was more of the script that seemed to do the same.
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Though we can't overlook that Seth Grahame-Smith also shares the story credit. [ghost_wink]
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True. It would be interesting to compare the two screenplays. I know that SGS worked mostly on Barnabas, though. And the Barnabas story is not making me see this film. [ghost_wink]
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I know that SGS worked mostly on Barnabas, though.
That was certainly what we were initially lead to believe. But there have been so many conflicting stories since then regarding what Grahame-Smith contributed that it's hard to know what to believe anymore. [ghost_undecided]
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Reminds me of a Moody Blues song. [ghost_wink]
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I just finished writing a 2000 word review of the film and I'm still not quite sure how I feel about the movie...
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Edit: I misread the post I was responding to. But I don't think much of August's contribution is left in the film.
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Although I have serious creative concerns about this movie I do want to see it succeed. I do hope there will be more positive reviews coming our way because the majority have been real poor. Now Forbes is questioning if it will be successful. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/05/08/is-dark-shadows-the-next-big-hollywood-flop/
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Eh, knowing Johnny, he probably agrees. What is probably more important to Johnny was that Frid himself was supportive. I don't think it was ever Johnny's intent to replace Frid in any way.
The whole deal about whether or not Depp will replace Frid is, by itself, an illogical argument. You can't replace another person. You can do work like they did, maybe copy the manner in which it was displayed, but that's it. Each work has to stand on its own.
I have joined several DS Facebook groups, but confess that I haven't spent a lot of time on them. Taeylor's is by far the nicest and I apologize for not participating more there. But I spot checked a few of these sites this morning, and I was horrified by some of the behavior I saw there. People are absolutely gleeful that Variety didn't give a rave review, or that the forecast isn't for Avengers numbers.
Sorry to sound so much like Spock but, again, that behavior doesn't make any sense. Many, many critics have panned DS for decades so, if reviewers are right about the merit of a film or TV series, were they all right about how bad the original DS is? How can we dismiss those reviewers yet embrace another? Because the reviewer agrees with us? VARIETY panned one of my all-time favorite movies when it came out - the Alastair Sim version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL. I think it's a fantastic film and one of the favorites of many at Christmas time.
The FB pages devoted to nay-saying the movie from the time it was announced has in its own way been fascinating though occasionally alarming. It's difficult for me to relate to people who spend lots of time telling one and all how much they dislike a film, dislike the directors and/or actors in a project. I've shared those feelings about many film projectors but never thought to create message boards or FB groups for the purpose of amplifying my negative feelings for days, weeks, months. It strikes me as an incredible waste of time to be steeped in negative feelings. I can't but wonder what propels that need to express the negativity on an on-going basis for a prolonged period of time. Why get that angry over a remake of a film even if it is based on an original you loved? And why stay that angry for so long?
Weird.
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I just finished writing a 2000 word review of the film and I'm still not quite sure how I feel about the movie...
I haven't read any reviews yet - but I would expect most will be mixed because given what we're already aware of about the film, there will probably be things critics will like and there will probably be things they don't know what to think about. But then, isn't that the case with most Burton films lately? Though if the latest TV spots are any indication, there are already some rave reviews out there. But to balance them, I'm pretty certain there will also be reviews that hate the film...
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I don't know to what extent this factor has been discussed here, but we are obviously all aware of disgruntled DS fans gunning for the project in certain forums. Where reviews are concerned, the factor to be aware of is that there are people in "the Industry," including a number of professional critics, who are gunning for Tim Burton and who have probably been sharpening their hatchets for weeks now in preparation for the movie's opening.
I can't go over the litany of reasons why so many people in the industry profess to have had it with Burton, but it's been a frequent topic in certain other forums where I have seen the DS project discussed. This has nothing to do with people's perceptions about what DS should or should not be; it has to do with people perceiving that Burton has sold out/come to a dead end/stopped caring/is repeating himself/etc. and so on.
The Forbes mag piece seems a bit premature. There are many cases of movies tanking with the critics and cleaning up at the box office. Just think of the Adam Sandler films (I think these were mentioned previously), the hot tub time machine films, the hangover films, etc.
cheers, G.
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I do hope there will be more positive reviews coming our way because the majority have been real poor.
After reading the Forbes article, I checked Rotten Tomatoes, and since the article DS has gone up from 20% to 33%. However, not even one of the favorable reviews from the TV spots is currently listed there - and it's not like the spots are quoting from unknown critics...
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Where reviews are concerned, the factor to be aware of is that there are people in "the Industry," including a number of professional critics, who are gunning for Tim Burton and who have probably been sharpening their hatchets for weeks now in preparation for the movie's opening.
That's certainly something else to keep in mind - with Burton as well as Depp. I mean, just look at some of the Alice in Wonderland reviews. Scathing would be putting it mildly.
There are many cases of movies tanking with the critics and cleaning up at the box office. Just think of the Adam Sandler films (I think these were mentioned previously), the hot tub time machine films, the hangover films, etc.
There are really too many to list, which is one of the reasons I mused the other day if reviews serve any purpose other than for the critics to see their own opinions in print. Good reviews can help smaller films. But bad reviews hardly ever seem to hurt as much as the critics would like them to...
Though if written well, really bad reviews can often be hysterical to read - even when they're skewering a film you might have liked. Some of the Twilight Saga reviews are priceless - yet terrible reviews haven't hurt one of those films at the box office...
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I seem to recall "Pirates" getting pummeled by critics too.
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DS is now up to 40% - and still none of the reviews from the spots are listed...
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The whole deal about whether or not Depp will replace Frid is, by itself, an illogical argument. You can't replace another person. You can do work like they did, maybe copy the manner in which it was displayed, but that's it. Each work has to stand on its own.
Yeah, I think that you and I are in complete agreement about that. Yet, I do kinda see the argument in one regard- whenever there's been more than one portrayal of a character/story, whether it be Barnabas Collins or Hamlet, there is bound to be a discussion of who gave the "definitive" performance. And some will always have a specific person in mind as an answer: Jonathan Frid, Laurence Olivier, whatever. And they may fear that that definitive portrayal may be forgotten or diluted by someone else's portrayal. I can see where that is coming from, but I disagree- as you say, Nancy, each work can stand on its own and there can be more than one definitive performance, if they're both enjoyed. Or there can even be a definitive performance and an alternative version, if you will.
Regarding reviews, I don't mean to say that I am reliant on reviews of a film, but I don't totally ignore them either. I think of them as one of many tools to deciding whether a film interests me, others being the director, the cast, the genre, the story (including articles giving background on it), the trailer, etc. And often I am more interested in what the review actually says than whether it's positive or negative per se. When Roger Ebert was in his prime, I could usually tell from reading his reviews whether I would like a film or not, and not necessarily from the grade he gave it. But he would always give enough interesting points pro or con that I could decide whether those points were things that were important to me or not. Nowadays, I find his reviews less helpful than I used to, though I still read them. And there are others that I do find useful. All this said, I'd rather see a film I want to do well with fresh reviews rather than rotten ones!
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If you get ES.TV (which is the weekday version of the weekend show Entertainers) on any of the channels in your area, I just checked my DVR and discovered that Chloe Moretz is on tomorrow, Eva Green is on Thursday, and Michelle Pfeiffer is on Friday. And the show is always worth checking out because they do nice interviews.
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I agree, madscntst, that sometimes reading a review can be quite interesting regardless if it's pro or con. Sadly though, reviewers who write that way seem to be a dying breed these days. And while it's often nice when a critic might share some of the same opinions I might have - or even cause me to question my own opinions in the face of theirs - more and more I seem to find that I don't put much stock in critic's opinions. I certainly don't find myself as amused by reviews as I once was. And it's most certainly a case that there's no longer anything like the influential critic whose review on its own could help or hinder a film. And maybe that's because so many critics seem to be cut with the same cookie cutter. There was once a time that you could read a review and know who had written it without ever checking the byline. Those days are seemingly long gone...
But getting back on topic, here are some more articles:
Chloe Moretz: 'Dark Shadows' After Party! (http://www.justjared.com/2012/05/08/chloe-moretz-dark-shadows-after-party/)
Exclusive: Chloe Moretz On Exploring Tim Burton's Dark Shadows (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/167299-exclusive-chloe-moretz-talks-dark-shadows)
Dark Shadows Red Carpet Premiere (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/johnny-depp-dark-shadows-premiere-321161)
Well Played: Bella Heathcote At The “Dark Shadows” Premiere (http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-05-08/well-played-bella-heathcote-at-the-dark-shadows-premiere/)
Eva Green and Michelle Pfeiffer Premiere Dark Shadows and More (http://news.instyle.com/2012/05/08/eva-green-michelle-pfeiffer-premiere-dark-shadows/)
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Extra had a nice segment at the DS premiere. Several members of the cast were seen, but only Johnny Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer were interviewed (as was Alice Cooper, briefly).
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Variety discusses a possible DS franchise: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118053697
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I couldn't care less what critics have to say. Remember, critics blasted the OS and virtually everything that followed. TV Guide critic Cleveland Amory ripped the show a new one when he watched it for a week to write his review. He then said that, after he stopped watching it for the mandatory week he "missed it." Critics and television critical historians have today softened a bit, taking a better appreciation of the program and what it did and how it found a secure place in our culture, creating a precedence for countless future works, from novels to films to TV shows. Don't forget that The Wizard of Oz was not highly liked by the critics and, despite several Academy Award nominations, it was not a money maker until years after its 1939 release. It really didn't become viewer popular until it started to air annually on TV almost 20 years after it hit the theaters. Today, it's regarded as one of the best films ever made, almost always in all top-ten lists. Remember the old saying: a prophet is never recognized in his own land.
As for our DS party group, we have the times for eight Saturday matinees divided between two theaters. We're trying to figure out which will be the best time.
Gerard
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i foolishly read one early review that warned of "minor spoilers"...
[spoiler]the review itself is actually one of the more complimentary but if the reviewer is to be believed(and he'd really have no reason to lie)than there is a fundamental change to one of the characters that's astonishing. i can't believe it hasn't been leaked earlier.[/spoiler]
it completely changes, and in alot of ways ruins, it for me.
and i've been something of a cheerleader. [ghost_sad]
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'Dark Shadows' premiere: Johnny Depp and crew keep it creepy (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-dark-shadows-johnny-depp-premiere,0,6663207.story)
Johnny Depp received letter from ‘Dark Shadows” Jonathan Frid (http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2012/05/08/johnny-depp-received-letter-from-%E2%80%98dark-shadows%E2%80%9D-jonathan-frid/)
(Includes a slideshow of premiere photos that includes one of Lara Parker, David Selby, and KLS.)
You Were in Dollman: Jackie Earle Haley on Dark Shadows and His Comeback (http://www.craveonline.com/film/previews/188183-you-were-in-dollman-jackie-earle-haley-on-dark-shadows-and-his-comeback-)
TIM BURTON SAYS DARK SHADOWS IS ABOUT THE WEIRDNESS OF FAMILY (http://www.thefancarpet.com/NewsPage.aspx?n_id=5900)
Haley relishes part in 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.mysanantonio.com/life/article/Haley-relishes-part-in-Dark-Shadows-3543069.php)
Last Night's Parties: Johnny Depp, Chloe Moretz, Michelle Pfeiffer Hit The 'Dark Shadows' Premiere (http://guestofaguest.com/los-angeles/party-crasher/last-nights-parties-johnny-depp-chloe-moretz-michelle-pfeiffer-hit-the-dark-shadows-premiere-zooey-deschanel-attends-a-new-girl-screening-more)
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I have to say I found it a hoot that Alice Cooper thought the set for the Great Hall of Collinwood looked "just like the Playboy Mansion."
That comment, and the macrame bit in the one clip, are the funniest things to have emerged from this affair this far, at any rate so far as I am concerned.
G.
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This article was linked-to before, but I can't find the post to quote it: [edit: See Reply #4336 --admin]
So, I love this:
Producer Graham King proclaimed at a recent BritWeek event that the studio is already at work on a sequel, and the film's ending leaves the door open for just that.
Yes. More DS, please. I'll take it any way I can get it.
But Burton told Collider.com that the pic's soap-opera roots are the reason for the ending, and there was no conscious decision to set it up with future installments in mind. "First of all, it's a bit presumptuous to think that," Burton told the website. "If something works out, that's one thing, but you can't ever predict that."
Baloney.
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Some interesting surprises this morning:
Depp and Burton were supposed to be on CBS This Morning. but they weren't. And I have no idea if a reason was given for why they weren't because I simply scanned through the entire program and I have no intentions of going back to watch the entire 2 hours to find out if they did. But maybe they'll be on tomorrow or Friday. Though it wasn't a total loss to have recorded the show because near the end of the first hour another new reviews TV spot ran with new footage and at least one new review (yet another that isn't listed on Rotten Tomatoes).
On the other hand, the Chloe Moretz segment did run on ES.TV, and it was quite nice. But what was surprising about it was that it also included Bella Heathcoate. She didn't get to say much as it was Chloe's segment, but she was featured in clips, and perhaps she'll show up in a segment of her own next week. I checked my DVR's program guide but it's not listing yet who's on next week.
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Thanks for the info about CBS This Morning, MB. I put the show on, but I had to leave for work at 8. Just before the end of the first hour, they were teasing who was coming up on the show, and when the hostess said, "You'll never guess who's in the green room", I turned to the TV because I assumed she was going to say Depp and Burton (even though I wouldn't be able to stay to watch, I was hoping to catch a small glimpse). But it wasn't, and actually if I'd been thinking straight it wouldn't have made sense anyway, because they were surely in London by then. Any segment they do on the show will be pre-taped, so I can only assume that they didn't have room in the show today :( But anyway, I'm glad I didn't miss anything, because I've been in meetings all morning and this is the first time I saw that the CBS This Morning didn't happen. Hopefully another day- I should be able to leave for work a little later tomorrow and Fri.
So, today is the London premiere, and supposedly there will be live streaming of the event starting at 1 p.m. EDT. Here is a link- I don't know whether it'll work or not, since apparently they also said that there would be live streaming from Grauman's and there wasn't.
http://www.livestream.com/darkshadows/share (http://www.livestream.com/darkshadows/share)
BTW I loved the Kimmel segment last night. The conversation was a little light on DS but at least they showed a nice clip (and since I've been avoiding most clips lately, it was new to me, other than the part that we saw in the trailers). But I could sit and listen to Johnny talk about music all day, so for me, it was great to hear him talk about all the folks he's been jamming with lately [ghost_cool] But is it just me, or do they have even more commercials for Kimmel than even the usual barrage of commercials we usually have to endure?? During the break, I took a bathroom break, then got on Facebook and posted, then sat down and watched what seemed like another 5 minutes of commercials! It got so that I almost thought they were never going to return to the show! Oy [ghost_wink]
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^ Yikes, well I was busy at 1, and I figured these things always run behind a little anyway, and I only just tuned into the London Premiere live stream about 10 minutes ago. The stream *was* working fine, but sadly, they've pulled the plug already! I saw a glimpse of Helena being interviewed, but that was before I got my earphones (didn't want to turn the volume up here in the lab). Then a few minutes later I heard a brief snippet with Tim, and then they said they had to sign off. I only saw a glimpse of Johnny signing autographs and don't know if they got to interview him on the live stream or not- surely there will be clips popping up later, though.
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More articles/video:
Depp, Burton on 'Dark Shadows' sex scene (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/access-hollywood/47345297/#47345297)
(And as this is from Access Hollywood, it could quite possibly show up on the show.)
GALLERY: Guess Who Out-Weirded Johnny Depp and Co. at the Dark Shadows Premiere? (http://movieline.com/2012/05/08/gallery-johnny-depp-cloris-leachman-steven-tyler-dark-shadows/)
(I hope Michelle Pfeiffer and Cloris Leachman are friends. [ghost_wink] Then again, she does the same thing to Alice Cooper...)
'It's getting warm in here': Michelle Pfieffer reveals Dark Shadows co-star Johnny Depp has always been on her 'bucket list' to do (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2141636/Michelle-Pfieffer-reveals-Dark-Shadows-star-Johnny-Depp-bucket-list-do.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
'Dark Shadows' Premieres at Grauman's Chinese Theater (http://hollywood.patch.com/articles/dark-shadows-premieres-at-grauman-s-chinese-theater#photo-9862992)
Entertainment May 8 | Johnny Depp, Janelle Monae, Rihanna, Scarlett Johansson, Lady Gaga, Eva Longoria (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/08/3600951/entertainment-may-8-johnny-depp.html#slide-69)
(With this one you need to scan the slideshow because there are photos of the cast at the DS premiere scattered throughout.)
Johnny Depp's Dream Fulfilled at the "Dark Shadows" Premiere (http://news.yahoo.com/johnny-depps-dream-fulfilled-dark-shadows-premiere-151618193.html)
DARK SHADOWS WEEKEND FIRST (http://www.huntingtonnews.net/31374)
Johnny Depp And Tim Burton--Partners Again On 'Dr. Phibes?' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/liz-smith/johnny-depp-tim-burton_b_1500839.html)
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Don't know if it has been mentioned here yet, but Chloe Moretz is scheduled to be on Last Call with Carson Daly tonight.
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It hadn't been mentioned yet, and thanks for posting it. [ghost_smiley]
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Two more new reviews spots tonight, with new quotes (and, of course, from reviews that aren't listed you know where). (Although, speaking of you know where, I see that DS is currently 49% with a 19/20 split.)
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Look for a 30 minute special called Dark Shadows: Beyond the Grave on the Reelz Channel. It first airs Friday morning and will have repeat airings thru the weekend.
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Don't know about elsewhere, but in my area tickets for the first IMAX showing of DS are going fast because when it came to getting tickets for myself and my friends, I just managed to get most of the last ones that were left.
And I also don't know if it's just in my area, but at the theater I'm attending DS is having 2 IMAX showings vs. The Avengers having 4 - but at least DS is being shown at 4:10pm and 9:50pm and not 10am or 12:25am, which is when 2 of The Avengers showings are. However, I looked at a few of the alternative IMAX theaters, and the closer one gets to Boston, DS is getting 3 showings vs. the same 4 for The Avengers, so it's not like that film is losing showings from this week because it has 4 to begin with. So, as I said, it really seems like it's only DS that's getting screwed by this deal between Disney and Warner Brothers...
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Thanks for the tip about the IMAX showings. I haven't yet looked at the schedule, and I confess that I may not get to see it tomorrow- it depends on what my work day is going to be like tomorrow. But I will see it Sat., for sure. I'm not surprised that IMAX screenings are going to favor The Avengers, and honestly, if you were a theater owner and saw how The Avengers was doing, would you do differently? [ghost_wink] But we DS'ers will have our chance.
By the way, just saw somewhere in passing that the CBS This Morning hosts reported that Johnny and Tim will be on the show tomorrow. I had it on for awhile this morning and didn't hear that announcement, but I missed large chunks of the show so I don't doubt what was reported. Today, the DS cast is doing press junkets in London, so look for even MORE interviews to come out of this. And then, in just a few more days, on to Tokyo!! Quite a whirlwind of activities!
Finally, I got the DS Score yesterday (a day late, even though I'm an Amazon Prime member [ghost_tongue] ) and was enjoying it on my morning commute this morning! I haven't decided yet whether to purchase the Soundtrack as mp3's, or wait until either a US release on CD will come later, or the import price will drop to something reasonable. I'll probably go for the mp3's.
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Just checked the movie schedule in my area. The closest IMAX theater to me has 3 DS showings and only 2 Avengers showings- pleasant surprise! And another one in my area has 3 vs. 3.
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I'm not surprised that IMAX screenings are going to favor The Avengers, and honestly, if you were a theater owner and saw how The Avengers was doing, would you do differently? [ghost_wink]
From their POV, not at all. [ghost_nowink] I'm just thinking that originally DS had the theaters all to itself, so in that respect anything less than 4 showings is getting short shrifted. [ghost_sad] And of course, it will reflect in the box office take.
By the way, just saw somewhere in passing that the CBS This Morning hosts reported that Johnny and Tim will be on the show tomorrow.
That's good to know because I haven't even checked my recording of today's show yet.
Just checked the movie schedule in my area. The closest IMAX theater to me has 3 DS showings and only 2 Avengers showings- pleasant surprise! And another one in my area has 3 vs. 3.
That is a very pleasant surprise. [ghost_cool]
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Here in Brooklyn, they have a imax 3d showing at 1015am on Friday morning. I did't realize that they did make a 3d copy of this. I saw that on the yahoo movie schedule.I am really looking forward to seeing this movie. I love this show so much, and hope that this will bring in new fans,that will also enjoy the original and the 91 series, plus the eminent
release of House, and the restored version of Night of Dark Shadows. Have fun at the movies everyone, I know I plan to
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Another new reviews spot today, with more new quotes. (And I see that you know where is now 51% with a 38/36 split - and that's with only one of the reviews quoted in the TV spots having been added.)
And not having read any of the reviews yet, I'm not sure how certain areas of the country seem to be responding, but apparently my area is responding well because a friend has informed me that two of the Boston papers gave the film favorable reviews...
I definitely look forward to when we can start posting/discussing linked to and/or transcripted (if they're not online) reviews. And that actually means both the good and the bad (particularly if they're really bad because, even if it turns out that I don't agree with them, they can still be a great laugh when they're written well). So remember, the topic for that will be started at midnight...
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An Ellen ad just ran on the radio. And there was a very ominous pronunciation of the words "Dark Shadows." It kind of brings you back a bit.
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Here in Brooklyn, they have a imax 3d showing at 1015am on Friday morning. I did't realize that they did make a 3d copy of this.
I have a feeling that's probably just an error. They probably have standard templates for the IMAX ads, and erroneously used the 3D one instead of non-3D. Warner Bros. itself on the movie's home page only mentions it being in IMAX, not IMAX 3D. (Compare with their page for Wrath of the Titans, which mentions 3D, RealD 3D, and IMAX 3D.)
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Well, in a quite positive review by Scott Mantz at Access Hollywood, we have an interesting new way to misspell our favorite vampire's name: Barnabis! I'll have to listen carefully tonight when I see the movie; perhaps that's the most prominent pronounciation??
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DS Premiere videos:
(I haven't watched any of these, but I get the impression that the first one might include everything and the others are pieces taken from the first one. Or maybe not. Perhaps it's just the three people it lists...)
"Dark Shadows" Premiere ARRIVALS Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer, Chloë Grace Moretz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z89lPT0zPCA&list=PL9265A34D100A543B&index=9&feature=plpp_video)
Johnny Depp "Dark Shadows" Los Angeles Premiere ARRIVALS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvpqCdcqzW0&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SP9265A34D100A543B)
Michelle Pfeiffer "Dark Shadows" Los Angeles Premiere ARRIVALS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oNmRP7XilE&feature=relmfu)
Eva Green "Dark Shadows" Los Angeles Premiere ARRIVALS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZDLzwRe8Xw&feature=related)
Bella Heathcote "Dark Shadows" Los Angeles Premiere ARRIVALS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeke4Zy1Uts&feature=relmfu)
Eva Green and Bella Heathcote "Dark Shadows" Los Angeles Premiere ARRIVALS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fs3OB72dqY&feature=relmfu)
Jonny Lee Miller "Dark Shadows" Los Angeles Premiere ARRIVALS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THdYx5otlv8&feature=relmfu)
Chloë Grace Moretz "Dark Shadows" Los Angeles Premiere ARRIVALS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7NqaK7lYz8&feature=relmfu)
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An article from the Bangor Daily News:
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/05/10/living/maine-at-the-heart-of-dark-shadows-series-new-film-adaptation/ (http://bangordailynews.com/2012/05/10/living/maine-at-the-heart-of-dark-shadows-series-new-film-adaptation/)
Got my IMAX tickets for tonight's midnight showing down here in Pensacola, FL. Can't believe it's finally here! I've been following this film on here since it was first announced way back in...2007? 2008? I'm going tonight with a mix of hopefulness and trepidation, as I've been through this scenario once already with another show I'm a fan of which made it to the big screen and into current popular culture, but in my opinion failed the original completely.
So, downing lots of coffee, crossing my fingers and toes, and wondering if I can pull together some kind of OS-inspired costume for tonight [ghost_wink]
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Take the Dancing Lady . . .
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Can't believe it's finally here! I've been following this film on here since it was first announced way back in...2007? 2008?
July of 2007 - almost 5 years ago (though in some ways it almost seems like it went by in the blink of an eye). And now we're down to less than 24 hours before a lot of us see the film...
And thanks for the link to the article. [ghost_smiley]
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Heheheh, so tempted! [ghost_grin] Actually, if dressing in 1897-era made sense for this, I'd have no problem coming up with a costume. all my groovy late 60's/early 70's stuff seems to have vanished...
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I definitely look forward to when we can start posting/discussing linked to and/or transcripted (if they're not online) reviews. And that actually means both the good and the bad (particularly if they're really bad because, even if it turns out that I don't agree with them, they can still be a great laugh when they're written well). So remember, the topic for that will be started at midnight...
Goody! I don't know when I'll get a chance to see the film, certainly not tomorrow, but I am anxious to hear what all of you think about it!
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I was just on the phone finalizing plans for tomorrow with my friend who works in a bank, and he told me that there was an article in the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday that said that DS will actually be playing in IMAX through May 31st. I don't know if that's part of the new deal or if it was always going to be that way, but at least that means that having The Avengers take over some of the DS showings isn't quite as bad, especially in the long run, as might have been thought at first. Though the new arrangement will still cut into DS' opening weekend box office...
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I also can't believe it's now just a few hours. When they first announced the making of this film five years ago, I was so excited. And then came the waiting, the stalling, the putting-off, the re-scheduling ad infinitum, going on for years. I was convinced that it would never happen. There would be talking, planning and then shelving - end of project. I totally believed it would never happen.
We've picked the time for the Saturday matinee - 1:50 p.m. We have a caravan of five cars heading up the interstate, gathering first at a friend's house, where two more cars will join us on the pilgrimage to the theater. It'll look like a funeral procession (how appropriate!). After enjoying the cinematic spectacular, we're going back to our friend's house for "dunch" (lunch/dinner), preceded by spirits, "enough to fill the hull of a schooner."
Gerard
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I want to thank Mdcst for the nice comment about our FB group. We are a civilized group much like this one and that is why I have tried to let people on here know if they want a great place to discuss DS on FB come on over. The link is below my name.
I have my tickets and they are showing a midnight showing here in Kentucky which I am sort of surprised about. I will report how many people there are.
I don't give a rats a** about reviews. Some moves that have been panned across the board I have loved. Some that the critics loved I have hated.
Tonight at 12:01 at dream of mine will come true. Something I have looked forward to for the past 5 years since it was announced. I shall go into the theater with and open mind and an open heart and once again pretend that this is the first time I have seen a DS project just like I did when I started watching the original after I fell in love with the Revival.
I hope all of my cousins enjoy the movie. I know everyone like it. However, the fact that sequels are a possibility is very encouraging! I know Johnny would love to play Barnabas again. Such a great actor.
I cannot believe someone shouted that at Johnny. I am sure he agrees but that was rude!
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Best of luck everyone. Have a great time!
Variety discusses Avengers vs. DS. It also seems that it is playing well in France.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118053843.html?cmpid=RSS|News|LatestNews&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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I won't be able to go see the movie until tomorrow I'm afraid...but hopefully it will be worth the wait.
I too never thought this day would come. Can't wait.
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Interesting article, jimbo - thanks for posting the link. Nice to know the film is already doing well in France.
In other news, tonight Access Hollywood had an extremely brief segment on the LA Premiere, with footage of Depp playing "No More Mister Nice Guy" with Alice Cooper's band, and the stars on the black carpet. And Extra had a longer but still short segment on the London Premiere, with interviews with Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer and glimpses of the other stars.
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Why is the new "Dark Shadows is in release" topic locked already?
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This topic will stay open for the time being because I still have some old stuff to post in it that I haven't gotten around to - but please post any new stuff in the "Depp/Burton Dark Shadows Is In Release!!" topic. And please limit the discussion in this topic to what has already been posted here and what I'll be posting in the future. All new discussion should also be in the new topic. [ghost_smiley]
Thanks,
MB
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Why is the new "Dark Shadows is in release" topic locked already?
It's no longer locked. [ghost_smiley] I had to lock it while I was creating it and adding a few posts that had been made in this topic but really belonged there.
And actually, I would have gotten all that done quicker, but I lost Internet access for a while just after I'd begun to create the topic. [ghost_shocked] Not exactly perfect timing. But then, losing Internet access is never a welcomed thing. [ghost_wink]
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Cross posting is frowned upon, so unfortunately the original post/link can only appear in the new "In Release" topic - and even what I'm about to do is pushing things and is something we do as rarely as possible [ghost_smiley] - but for those avoiding that topic, you might be interested in checking out a new Seth Grahame-Smith interview that jimbo has posted a link to. If you click on the link below, it will take you directly to jimbo's post - and if you quickly click on the link there, you need never see anything else in the "In Release" topic until you're ready to. [ghost_wink]
New interview with SGS. He says there was like a whole movie that was deleted from the final version.
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Catching up a bit:
Depp, Burton bring 'Dark Shadows' comedy to London (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/may/09/depp-burton-bring-dark-shadows-comedy-to-london/)
(Michelle Pfeiffer looks incredible in her photo - and she has some interesting remarks.)
WATCH: What Happens When Johnny Depp Meets an Army of Depp Impersonators? (http://www.ivillage.com/watch-what-happens-when-johnny-depp-meets-army-depp-impersonators/1-a-453623)
(If you didn't see this the two times it was on, it's worth checking out.)
Watch: Michelle Pfeiffer talks about finding the tone for 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/watch-michelle-pfeiffer-talks-about-finding-the-tone-for-dark-shadows)
(Very interesting.)
Tim Burton And Johnny Depp's 'Dark Shadows' Past (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2012/05/09/tim_burton_and_johnny_depps_dark_shado)
Johnny Depp & Chloe Moretz: 'Dark Shadows' UK Premiere! (http://www.justjared.com/2012/05/09/johnny-depp-chloe-moretz-dark-shadows-uk-premiere/)
'Dark Shadows' Gets The Mondo Treatment In Dailies! (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2012/05/09/dark-shadows-mondo-poster/)
Chloe Moretz: 'Dark Shadows' Premiere in London (http://www.justjaredjr.com/2012/05/09/chloe-moretz-dark-shadows-premiere-in-london/)
Red carpet report: 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/story/2012-05-08/dark-shadows-premiere-johnny-depp/54829504/1?csp=34life)
Johnny Depp: 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' Visit (http://www.justjared.com/2012/05/09/johnny-depp-jimmy-kimmel-live-visit/)
(Includes videos of the entire interview.)
Johnny Depp and Michelle Pfeiffer Are Glam for London 'Dark Shadows' Premiere (http://www.okmagazine.com/photos/hot-shots/johnny-depp-michelle-pfeiffer-glam-london-dark-shadows-premiere-red-carpet)
(Some very nice photos.)
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I was just going through my phone deleting a whole slew of texts from the past few months that I no longer want and I came across these that I seem to have missed:
gkfilms: Just uploaded a bunch of pics from last night's #DARKSHADOWS premiere party to our GK Facebook page. http://t.co/3FSoO6RZ
5/8 9:01pm
(Though now one has to go back to the May postings to find them.)
gkfilms: RT @MondoNews: Ain't It Cool News just premiered our new poster for #DARKSHADOWS. Check it our here: http://t.co/rRPLs1Hg
5/9 9:16pm
There was also an earlier one on the 9th about a contest to win one of two film prize packs - but obviously those prize packs have long been given away. But if anyone would like to see what they might have won had I actually caught the text (I have no idea how I actually missed any of these [ghost_embarrassed]) and posted about it, here's the URL: http://t.co/uJ4l3DJN
86 days 11 hours 36 minutes 47 seconds since the Depp/Burton Dark Shadows has been in release(ET)!!